Re: [MBZ] OT non-lethal home defense

2019-06-21 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On June 21, 2019 at 7:35 PM archer75--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Does this guy tell where quality mace/pepper spray can be purchased? A quick DuckDuckGo tells me that Grainger industrial supplies has the full line of Sabre products. Lots of Sabre and Defense Technology products at

Re: [MBZ] OT non-lethal home defense

2019-06-21 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
Does this guy tell where quality mace/pepper spray can be purchased? companies that sell to police/sheriffs department usually won't sell to individuals who are not officers or detectives of various kinds. Amazon doesn't show anything but the usual cheap "made in China" items. Galls seems to be

Re: [MBZ] OT non-lethal home defense

2019-06-21 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
The jury knows the facts better than any of us, and it wasn't a mistrial, they unanimously voted to acquit. The facts that the drunk idiot was too young to be legally drunk, and felt entitled to break the door down because he didn't know where he was, does not make the homeowner into a

Re: [MBZ] OT non-lethal home defense

2019-06-21 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On June 21, 2019 at 1:39 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > I wonder if he could sue the persecutor for attorney fees. Malicious prosecution with no intent to secure a conviction? That's virtually impossible to prove, even when it's true, and in this case I think they expected a

Re: [MBZ] OT non-lethal home defense

2019-06-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Any basis for this allegation? On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:42 PM Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > The article says a 15 year old lost his way and knocked on the wrong house > door. Need to get all the facts straight before rushing to judgment. > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:40 PM Craig via Mercedes >

Re: [MBZ] OT non-lethal home defense

2019-06-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
The article says a 15 year old lost his way and knocked on the wrong house door. Need to get all the facts straight before rushing to judgment. On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:40 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 12:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > > One guy

Re: [MBZ] OT non-lethal home defense

2019-06-21 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 12:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > One guy was confronted with yelling crazy person pounding on the door. > He armed himself and stood guard on the door. > When the crazy person broke the window in the door, he fired, just one > shot. Charged with

Re: [MBZ] OT non-lethal home defense

2019-06-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Here's an important detail: "A Massachusetts man charged with fatally shooting *a 15-year-old boy who mistakenly knocked on his door looking for a friend *is headed to court. Prosecutors say 42-year-old Jeffrey Lovell is scheduled to be arraigned on a murder charge Monday in Chicopee District

Re: [MBZ] OT non-lethal home defense

2019-06-21 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
One guy was confronted with yelling crazy person pounding on the door. He armed himself and stood guard on the door. When the crazy person broke the window in the door, he fired, just one shot. Charged with murder, tried for manslaughter, for protecting himself from somebody who was taking his

Re: [MBZ] OT non-lethal home defense

2019-06-21 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
A lead tracer doesn't wash off easily either --FT On 6/21/19 9:13 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: and they have a UV tracer that doesn't easily wash off, so cops can ID the perp more easily. -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

Re: [MBZ] OT non-lethal home defense

2019-06-21 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Good discussion on what works and what doesn't, by cops who've trained and used it a lot, including one OC spray instructor, here: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Best-pepper-spray/5-2187139/#i77329876 Michigan might be the only state that specifically bans the UV dye, can't have people

Re: [MBZ] OT non-lethal home defense

2019-06-21 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
There's a u-toob vid of a self defense guy about using hornet / wasp spray. According to the vid, it is not effective. Not fun, but won't really stop a bad guy. Not nearly as effective as real mace / pepper spray. He also warns that going cheap on your pepper spray is not smart. Better quality

Re: [MBZ] OT non-lethal home defense

2019-06-21 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 06:55:04 -0400 archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: > I'd like to see someone make a high pressure "water pistol" mounted > with a laser and filled with wasp and hornet spray. I've read several > places that wasp and hornet spray will blind an assailant only > temporarily if he

Re: [MBZ] OT non-lethal home defense

2019-06-21 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
I'd like to see someone make a high pressure "water pistol" mounted with a laser and filled with wasp and hornet spray. I've read several places that wasp and hornet spray will blind an assailant only temporarily if he manages to get to an ER in 30-45 minutes. The can it comes in is big and

Re: [MBZ] OT non-lethal home defense

2019-06-20 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
It’s basically a laser flashlight so fabbing up a rifle mount ring would be easy enough. It has 5 lenses that could be selected for particular defensive aversion purposes. Deployment hand-held should be fast as grabbing a flashlight, and probably putting on the safety glasses. At 5W

Re: [MBZ] OT non-lethal home defense

2019-06-20 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On June 20, 2019 at 5:58 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > > Blind robbers and rapist have a much lower success rate and it's harder for > them to shoot you successfully. > > Deployment time for the device as a defense weapon might suck however... is > there a rail mount for rifles? A few

Re: [MBZ] OT non-lethal home defense

2019-06-20 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Especially considering legal costs. > -Original Message- > From: Mitch > Haley > > I suspect it's a lot cheaper to kill them than to blind them. > Mitch. > > > On June 20, 2019 at 5:07 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > > > This would rapidly disable any unwanted

Re: [MBZ] OT non-lethal home defense

2019-06-20 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Blind robbers and rapist have a much lower success rate and it's harder for them to shoot you successfully. Deployment time for the device as a defense weapon might suck however... is there a rail mount for rifles? On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 2:18 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com>

Re: [MBZ] OT non-lethal home defense

2019-06-20 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
I suspect it's a lot cheaper to kill them than to blind them. Mitch. > On June 20, 2019 at 5:07 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > > This would rapidly disable any unwanted visitors > > [US$48.99]5W 445nm Light Laser Pointer Pen ___