Re: [MBZ] Political positioning RE: wind turbines

Teddy was a great sailor... he was never becalmed... if the wind died off, all he had to do was talk and there was enough hot air to fill the sails... Teddy almost drowned while touring a distillery. He fell into a 5,000 gallon vat of whiskey... he would have drowned but he kept getting out to go

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Teddy Kennedy (D-UI) (who has been sober now for about 8 years) blocked those wind machines back when because he was prone to running into things while sailing.  True Fact. --FT On 1/22/20 10:20 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: The area between Martha's vineyard and Block island is

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Boy I'd like to see seagulls get decimated... Last fall I was wondering if I could get away with calling them "snow geese" and blasting a couple however its illegal to "knowingly kill" waterfowl without intent to eat them. Back when I first got out of high school I worked on a landfill closure

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The area between Martha's vineyard and Block island is hardly what I'd call offshore.   It is historically a rich man's playground. It is more like a sound: water behind a barrier island.   There are lots of seabirds in areas like this.    Gulls, pelicans, and lots of other birds will be in

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I see a lot of wishful thinking in this response. "Will be negligible" really means "We're going to find out". There are birds that migrate offshore, oil rigs get hummingbirds... -Curt On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, 9:19:40 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Storage

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And I would add that everyone, for the most part, has played nicely with this topic. Hence the lack of a need for me in inject List Mom “reigning in” requests. It’s nice when we can discuss contentious topics and things don’t devolve into a battle of sorts. That’s the way it should be. Most of

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The Ritter list is busy talking about the realization that they’re getting old and going to die soon, except for PDQ, who is prattling on about how he’s all about not having “things” despite the fact that he was clearly into possessions. It’s pretty dark. At least this is topical. Exercise your

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Gee whiz, could you guys give this wind stuff a rest. It's obvious that no one has an answer. You've bored me to the point that I may have to go read posts on the Ritter list which died a while back but still hasn't realized it from just this sort of discussions. I'm going to get my 1980

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There I fixed it. Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes January 21, 2020 at 8:18 PM Storage (batteries or pumped hydro) is a solution and is growing exponentially, capturing wind and solar when not needed for use at times of greater demand. Effects on birds of

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Storage (batteries or pumped hydro) is the solution and is growing exponentially, capturing wind and solar when not needed for use at times of greater demand. Effects on birds of offshore wind turbines - which has the greatest growth potential - will be negligible. You all seem to be missing the

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On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 15:51:18 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > Because the renewables will fall woefully short of supplying our energy > needs so we'll still need most of the old fossil fuels plus all the > added environmental impact of the marginal contributions of the > renewable energy

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> On January 21, 2020 at 4:06 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Which is also catastrophising. Some turbines have been placed in the > migratory path of some birds. This is by no means common or a thing that > happens around every turbine. I would posit that the following

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Yeah but it shines nearly all the time from June through August... -Curt On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, 5:18:01 PM EST, Clay via Mercedes wrote: Follow the money.  The extraction industry is now being funded by braver investors in the world than the simpering idiots like Goldmann

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Follow the money. The extraction industry is now being funded by braver investors in the world than the simpering idiots like Goldmann Suxx. Not that the virtue signaling investment sort are hurting from fleecing the public. State of Alaska will fund almost any large scale stupid idea.

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...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 1:25 PM To: Curt Raymond; Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Cc: Allan Streib Subject: Re: [MBZ] Political positioning RE: wind turbines Wood stoves are also carbon-neutral since the carbon is from the current environment

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Wood stoves are also carbon-neutral since the carbon is from the current environment, not carbon that was previously sequestered as "fossil fuel" Curt Raymond writes: > "Renewable" also doesn't mean "no pollution". My renewable energy wood > stove makes smoke every time I put in more wood but

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atic; they slice and dice birds of prey. > > Greg > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew > Strasfogel via Mercedes > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 12:29 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: And

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Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 12:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] Political positioning RE: wind turbines So why does everything connected with renewable energy have to be perfect? The emphasis on making the industry more

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You of all people shouldn't even step near this argument, your stock in trade is insults. I don't think I've ever read an argument from you ever where you can keep from making up an insulting name for someone or something. If you stopped being insulting in arguments I'd ask if you were okay...

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...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 12:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] Political positioning RE: wind turbines So why does everything connected with renewable energy have to be perfect? The emphasis

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Second grade... when you are wrong in an argument, you resort to calling names.   When do I get an apology? Andrew Strasfogel January 21, 2020 at 2:49 PM Nobody claims perfection except you and your fellow propagandists.  Fortunately, we're heading in the right

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My brother has a new induction stove (electric) he claims is better than gas. Boils water instantly, is infinitely adjustable, and way safer than gas. On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 3:55 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > And because a bunch of places are jumping the gun

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And because a bunch of places are jumping the gun and forcing renewables, like cities banning gas stoves.Electric stoves suck and, for now anyway, pollute as much as gas stoves do, in some cases they probably pollute more. "Renewable" also doesn't mean "no pollution". My renewable energy wood

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Because the renewables will fall woefully short of supplying our energy needs so we'll still need most of the old fossil fuels plus all the added environmental impact of the marginal contributions of the renewable energy tech. Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes writes: > So why does everything

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Nobody claims perfection except you and your fellow propagandists. Fortunately, we're heading in the right direction despite the right wing campaign of disinformation. And btw, there are talks underway to reach a compromise with the commercial fishing interests. On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 3:42 PM

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only because its proponents claim it is perfect.   It is not.   I am only pointing out the facts that are "unmentionable."   All I propose is a level playing field for all.  Remove the subsidies, including oil. Andrew Strasfogel January 21, 2020 at 2:28 PM So

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See I get funny about being lied to. Both sides lie pretty much all the time. The interesting part is that the green folks seem to think lying is okay because "The other guys lied first." -Curt On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, 3:29:42 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: So

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Interesting.  Thanks Dwight.   I would think there were enough NIMBY folks with money to keep it out of the waters between Martha's vineyard and Block Island. In the Chapman navigation book, these are the waters whose charts have been studies by millions while learning (sea) navigation.

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So why does everything connected with renewable energy have to be perfect? The emphasis on making the industry more sustainable goes a lot further than the alternative: fossil fuel polluting plants that poison the air, land and water. The coal strip mines out west that are going bankrupt will

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Also issues on the seas. https://www.providencejournal.com/news/20190804/ri-fishermen-critical-of-wind-farm-plan Dwight E. Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 3:06 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > THis article does contain a few facts among the

[MBZ] Political positioning RE: wind turbines

THis article does contain a few facts among the positioning BS. 1.  An admission that the BS accounting for the cost of wind mills  does not include tha costs of fiberglass blades, concrete and steel foundations, 2.  Waste from manufacturing turbine blades will exceed the total waste