Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-11 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Its a new kind of ship in the Oklahoma Naval Reserve. Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 6/8/19 10:17 PM: I give up - what's R129? On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 8:42 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Channeling Wilton - "Attaboy"! On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 6:49 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-10 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
I might consider that engine swap (V12) instead of the OM603 swap into a 1995 wagon... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On June 10, 2019 3:06:51 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes wrote: >On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:51:11 -0600 Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Further down in the thread is the exchange: >> >>

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-10 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:51:11 -0600 Craig via Mercedes wrote: > Further down in the thread is the exchange: > > --- > Germanautoservice > E500E Newbie > Jul 30, 2014 > > #30 > > I am building a v12 wagon, it is next. Workin out the

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-10 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 11:51:17 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: > I poked around and found some Brabus projects with the 124, and some > dudes who will do the mod for you for a fee, they come to you (or did) > >

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-10 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
yes On 6/10/19 1:34 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 08:12:16 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: Exactly. That’s where the M119 really shines. You can be cruising at 65 or 70 on the interstate and put your foot into it and it’s like you just woke up the beast. More HP and

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-10 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 19:16:46 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > > w123, we moved to the w126/w124 and needing a replacement for the > > long in the tooth, R107, follow with a w129. > > The letters are consistent. W is sedan, S is wagon, R is roadster, C > is coupe. There is no W107, only

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-10 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 08:12:16 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > Exactly. > > That’s where the M119 really shines. You can be cruising at 65 or 70 on > the interstate and put your foot into it and it’s like you just woke up > the beast. More HP and torque there than you ever expected. I would >

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-10 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I poked around and found some Brabus projects with the 124, and some dudes who will do the mod for you for a fee, they come to you (or did) https://www.500eboard.co/forums/index.php?threads/another-500e-wagon-is-born.5769/#post-87192 And looks like some Russian dude did a nice job in a 124

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-10 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
Yes, V is used for long wheel base... current S class is W222, long one (which is all we get in USA) is V222. The really long one (Maybach variant) is X222. There are some less common ones... like N253: the fuel cell GLC. Jaime On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 8:37 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I was going to ask if had been put to death after a sham trial... ;) -Curt On Sunday, June 9, 2019, 6:18:45 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Sacco and Tomforde, not Vanzeti. It was designed based on a shortened W124 chassis, as I suspected. It’s very W124-like in a lot of

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-10 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On June 9, 2019 at 10:16 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > w123, we moved to the w126/w124 and needing a replacement for the long in > > the tooth, R107, follow with a w129. > > The letters are consistent. W is sedan, S is wagon, R is roadster, C is > coupe. There > is no

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-10 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
Exactly. That’s where the M119 really shines. You can be cruising at 65 or 70 on the interstate and put your foot into it and it’s like you just woke up the beast. More HP and torque there than you ever expected. I would expect the M120 to be even more responsive in similar situations. I will

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-10 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Yeah that was kinda my thinking too. The guy is doing a good job on the 201/M120 project though. The V12 is a bit frightening. I went out yesterday in the car. The road I live on is 4 lanes and mostly lightly traveled especially on a Sunday afternoon. Some dipshite in a QX5437856021 or some

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-10 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
Methinks the Dutch guy is talking out of his bottom. There’s nothing in the R129 history that suggests Porsche was ever involved with the design or production. The engine compartment on that car is pretty big, even for the M119, so I don’t see where Mercedes would need assistance in dropping an

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-10 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Yes the 129 was based on a shortened 124 chassis. I started watching some vids of a Dutch guy stuffing a V12 from a 140 in his old 190E (except it wasn’t an E), I forget the chassis number on that car. He says the 129 with the V12 took quite a bit of rework by Porsche? (some other outfit) to

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-09 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> w123, we moved to the w126/w124 and needing a replacement for the long in > the tooth, R107, follow with a w129. The letters are consistent. W is sedan, S is wagon, R is roadster, C is coupe. There is no W107, only R/C107. There ought to be a C123, but I'm not sure they ever used that

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Part number prefixes are meaningless for the most part. In many cases they’ll cross over between chassis numbers over time, so the prefixes are irrelevant at that point. That’s like some of my W111 parts having 108 prefixes. -D > On Jun 9, 2019, at 8:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > >

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-09 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
OK - my memory is slipping - it's the R129 that is based on the W124. The R/C107 is based on the W114/115. Part numbers. When I owned both a pair of W124s and a C107 I noticed several 107 part numbers started with 124. When I needed a pair of new rear axel half shafts, I ordered them from Rusty -

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-09 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
I think you meant that the R129 is based on the 124? I think Dan shared that a few weeks ago? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On June 9, 2019 6:04:13 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: >Sounds good, but the R107 was built on the W124 chassis --- > >On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 4:53 PM Clay Monroe via

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
And this appears to be somewhat correct - components of the W114 were used to design the R107. -D > On Jun 9, 2019, at 6:13 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes > wrote: > > I seem to recall some press release at one time that it was an elongation of > the w114 mated to the back end of the w116. >

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Sacco and Tomforde, not Vanzeti. It was designed based on a shortened W124 chassis, as I suspected. It’s very W124-like in a lot of respects. -D > On Jun 9, 2019, at 6:13 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes > wrote: > > I seem to recall some press release at one time that it was an elongation of

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-09 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
I seem to recall some press release at one time that it was an elongation of the w114 mated to the back end of the w116. A Sacco and Vanzeti design clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1082 SD - Allen 1986 SDL - Polei retired models- 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Citation, please? I’ve never heard of this, I would like to see the source of the information. -D > On Jun 9, 2019, at 6:04 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > Sounds good, but the R107 was built on the W124 chassis --- > > On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 4:53 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes < >

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-09 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Sounds good, but the R107 was built on the W124 chassis --- On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 4:53 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > If you stare at the issue long enough it does become obvious. > > > The w113 is of the era of w110/111/112/114/115/116 design class > > R107

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-09 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
If you stare at the issue long enough it does become obvious. The w113 is of the era of w110/111/112/114/115/116 design class R107 follows the 108/109 numbering scheme of dart board naming With the advent of the w123, we moved to the w126/w124 and needing a replacement for the long in the

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
And you also have the leading letter, like R, W, C, S…. more confusion. -D > On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > Thanks. No rhyme or reason in the progression: W113, 107, 129. > > On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 6:17 AM Dimitri Seretakis > wrote: > >> Chassis

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-09 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Thanks. No rhyme or reason in the progression: W113, 107, 129. On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 6:17 AM Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > Chassis of SL after R107. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I give up -

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-09 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Chassis of SL after R107. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > I give up - what's R129? > > On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 8:42 PM OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Channeling Wilton - "Attaboy"! >> >> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 6:49 PM Dan

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-08 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I give up - what's R129? On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 8:42 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Channeling Wilton - "Attaboy"! > > On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 6:49 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > These are all fine and dandy ideas, guys, but since the mount is a rubber > >

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-08 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Channeling Wilton - "Attaboy"! On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 6:49 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > These are all fine and dandy ideas, guys, but since the mount is a rubber > part and there’s no way to gain any sort of purchase to speak of on the top > side o fit when it’s

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
These are all fine and dandy ideas, guys, but since the mount is a rubber part and there’s no way to gain any sort of purchase to speak of on the top side o fit when it’s installed, none of these suggestions are viable. And yes, I used a punch to try and get things lined up, but as soon as I

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-08 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
An appropriate size hammer is often persuasive also. Craig via Mercedes wrote on 6/8/19 6:31 PM: On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 18:07:26 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: That is what tapered punches are for. Iron workers regularly use a large version of that for lining things up right ...

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-08 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 18:07:26 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: > That is what tapered punches are for. Iron workers regularly use a large version of that for lining things up right ... Craig > Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote on 6/8/19 9:28 AM: > > Sounds like fun.  I hate it when

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-08 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
That is what tapered punches are for. Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote on 6/8/19 9:28 AM: Sounds like fun.  I hate it when things don't line up *quite* right --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
After doing battle with the mount for maybe 10 minutes or so, I got things to line up. Not pleasant, but a good choice to abandon efforts last night and start fresh in the morning. Mounts are done, transmission mount is done, the car is ready to drive. I’ll move it out in a little bit and se

Re: [MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-08 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Sounds like fun.  I hate it when things don't line up *quite* right --FT On 6/8/19 7:57 AM, Daniel Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Been putting this one off for a long time, like since January. It’s the wife’s car, I never drive it, so out of sight out of mind, sort of. However, it’s been nagging

[MBZ] R129 Motor Mounts

2019-06-08 Thread Daniel Penoff via Mercedes
Been putting this one off for a long time, like since January. It’s the wife’s car, I never drive it, so out of sight out of mind, sort of. However, it’s been nagging at me with all the time I’ve been spending on the ML, so last night around 7:00 I decided I would tear into it. If you’ve ever