Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

2010-02-05 Thread Donald Snook
Rich wrote: Uh-oh, here we go. Don't worry, they sold the car. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

[MBZ] Rodbender question

2010-02-05 Thread W140
My Factory Crated new zero time engine arrived with a blank spot and I watched the dealer stamp the original serial number on it. So other than all the 'Factory and Dealer paperwork and Records' I fail to see how you can tell which engine is in the car. Now maybe if the engine was replaced

Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

2010-02-05 Thread pm7088
@ okiebenz .com Sent: Friday, February 5, 2010 9:55:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [ MBZ ] Rodbender question My Factory Crated new zero time engine arrived with a blank spot and I watched the dealer stamp the original serial number on it. So other than all the 'Factory and Dealer

Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

2010-02-05 Thread WILTON
, etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: pm7...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question So much for 'Numbers Matching' at a Benz Auction. My other car is a 1954 Nash Metropolitan, I

Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

2010-02-05 Thread OK Don
YES! My memory isn't that far gone afterall! Thanks for corroborating what I thought I remembered. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:55 AM, W140 w...@juno.com wrote: My Factory Crated new zero time engine arrived with a blank spot and I watched the dealer stamp the original serial number on it. So

[MBZ] Rodbender question

2010-02-04 Thread Donald Snook
Is there a way to know if a rodbender has had the engine replaced? Is there a casting number or some other indicator that would indicate it has been done? Donald H Snook McDonald Tinker Law Firm (316) 263-5851 www.mtsqh.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For

Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

2010-02-04 Thread pm7088
, February 4, 2010 1:00:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [MBZ] Rodbender question Is there a way to know if a rodbender has had the engine replaced? Is there a casting number or some other indicator that would indicate it has been done? Donald H Snook McDonald Tinker Law Firm

Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

2010-02-04 Thread Allan Streib
Take the VIN at the dealer to pull a service history? Supposedly the good engines are factory rebuilds, I'd assume most of these were installed by dealerships. Allan On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:00 -0600, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Is there a way to know if a rodbender has had the engine

Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

2010-02-04 Thread Rich Thomas
Uh-oh, here we go. --R Donald Snook wrote: Is there a way to know if a rodbender has had the engine replaced? Is there a casting number or some other indicator that would indicate it has been done? Donald H Snook McDonald Tinker Law Firm (316) 263-5851 www.mtsqh.com

Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

2010-02-04 Thread WILTON
Dealer receipt for replacement engine in THAT car? MB records by VIN? Wilton - Original Message - From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com To: Mercedes Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:00 PM Subject: [MBZ] Rodbender question Is there a way to know if a rodbender

Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

2010-02-04 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
(not a rebuild) will have a blank spot with no number. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:00 PM To: Mercedes Subject: [MBZ] Rodbender question Is there a way

Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

2010-02-04 Thread R A Bennell
Just ask Kaleb. He has had most of them in his back yard for a while. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: Mercedes Subject: [MBZ] Rodbender question

Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

2010-02-04 Thread Mitch Haley
I go with 'ask the dealer'. Serial numbers not matching does not mean the current engine in the car escapes rodbender status. It could have come from a salvage vehicle, or worse yet, have been rebuilt by incompetents. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

2010-02-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Bring VIN# to dealer. He can tell you the engine S/N installed at factory. Why would you care? Even the bad ones are good for a few weeks No

Re: [MBZ] Rodbender question

2010-02-04 Thread OK Don
I bought a factory engine for the '76 300D once - they were on sale, supposedly one of the last two in the Chicago warehouse. It had a blank spot where the serial number was supposed to be. I heard somewhere that a dealer was supposed to stamp the original engines number there. Can't verify that

Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

2007-11-09 Thread Hendrik Fay
Those test will indicate that there is a problem but not the exact nature of it. Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) wrote: Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor com ___

Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

2007-11-08 Thread dave walton
Local dealer quoted me $140 for a rod, then charged me $190 when I went to pick it up. I replaced 3 lifters and a few bolts and got to buy lots of new tools that I'll never use again. Overall it was a good experience. Cylinders were okay. But I know it is a ticking time bomb because there was no

Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

2007-11-08 Thread Mitch Haley
If the cylinders and pistons are good, you can fix it for something like $250 a rod (x6) plus gaskets, rings, etc. I'd budget $2000-2500 if I were doing all the labor myself. AFAIK, only MBZ seems to be able to redo the block so that the engine will last hundreds of kilomiles after the rebuild.

Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

2007-11-08 Thread dave walton
In my case - no. Although I don't have a clue how to interpret leak down test results, so I did not bother. You have to pull the head and measure how much each piston protrudes above the block at the top of it's stroke. Removing the vacuum pump makes it easier to turn the engine by hand if you

Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

2007-11-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodbender question Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) wrote: Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc? It should show egged out cylinders and pistons

Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

2007-11-08 Thread R A Bennell
Are the rod bender motors fixable or is it just a matter of the cost of doing it? For example, if the rods are bent and the cylinder worn oval, can it be bored or sleeved? If you have one that appears to be alright is it wise to fix it before it gets worse or is it considered hopeless? Randy

Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

2007-11-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodbender question In my case - no. Although I don't have a clue how to interpret leak down test results, so I did not bother. You have to pull the head and measure how much each piston protrudes above the block at the top of it's stroke. Removing the vacuum pump

Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

2007-11-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) wrote: Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc? It should show egged out cylinders and pistons after the rods have been bent a while. (of course, the blue cloud behind the car indicates much the same thing) Mitch.

[MBZ] rodbender question

2007-11-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT)
Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To

Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

2007-11-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: So you have to pull the head to find out, wont show up in a test? If you have uneven leakdown, you know SOMETHING is wrong. Never seen a rodbender. How much shorter do the rods get when they bend? Can you take off the valve springs with a cylinder at TDC and

Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

2007-11-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodbender question Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: So you have to pull the head to find out, wont show up in a test? If you have uneven leakdown, you know SOMETHING

Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

2007-11-08 Thread Peter Frederick
Check the turbo seals -- lots of oil in the intake with no significant blowby means the bearings in the turbo are shot, allowing the shaft to eat the seals. Lotta oil up the intake, usually, followed by serious oil smoke out the back on acceleration. Usually accompanied by a lazy turbo

Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

2007-11-08 Thread Peter Frederick
I seem to remember something about NOT sleeving the 350, but the 300 is sleeved at the factory. New sleeves, rods, pistons, and bearings were $5000 six or so years ago when I thought I might need to rebuild my 603. More now. Engine can be rebuilt, but it will likely cost more than a new one,

Re: [MBZ] rodbender question

2007-11-08 Thread James Zavesky
Stuck rings? Any carbon in the oil pan? Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodbender question So you have