Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-26 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
The LEDs last practically forever, I've had a CREE LED bulb controller die in as few as 5 years. That was a 20 dollar bulb when it was new.Probably has a warranty, not worth chasing it down. I recently got a 60w equivalent Sylvania LED for $0.50 on close out at our local hardware store. Got 4x

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-25 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> https://www.amazon.com//dp/B07SRLWQZL/ > Yuk! The current lamp is decorative, as well as functional. Anything marketed as Disco Dance Party need not apply. All we need is a slab replacement bulb-equivalent in order to remain functional and as

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-24 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Jim wrote: > They don't have anything to replace those 500W tube halogens. > Need a 10,000 lumen cob array, in warm white. Maybe like this? https://www.amazon.com//dp/B07SRLWQZL/ I'm not sure if that one has an IR remote. Some of the PAR-type instruments do.

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-24 Thread Clay via Mercedes
I forgot about the low voltage undercabinet lighting! Those got LED bulbs because the upper cabinet storage of spices was decreasing shelf life due to heat. Also would melt chocolate and shortening clay I have no pronouns please do not refer to me. > On May 24, 2020, at 5:42 AM, Jim

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-24 Thread Clay via Mercedes
Opposite climate for me. I hate the squirrelly bulbs and LED because they are cold. A good filament bulb would pump out calories to keep you warm as your read a book at night at the far reach of the heating vents. They also put out a better Kelvin color so you felt warmed instead of flipping

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-24 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> Two of those would get you 10,000 lumens, but they are "daylight" white > (5000K). They're $50 each, vs the $0.99-2.99 price for a replacement halogen bulb. Not there yet. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-24 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
I bought these for the back yard. https://www.amazon.com/GKOLED-Waterproof-Equivalent-DLC-Qualified-Adjustable/dp/B06VWS37LG Two of those would get you 10,000 lumens, but they are "daylight" white (5000K). Jim Cathey via Mercedes writes: >> Try https://www.superbrightleds.com/

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-24 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> Try https://www.superbrightleds.com/ They don't have anything to replace those 500W tube halogens. Need a 10,000 lumen cob array, in warm white. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-24 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sun, 24 May 2020 06:54:06 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > The remaining 'problem' light is a 500W torchiere that my wife uses for > jigsaw puzzles. Basically, a work light. I haven't seen anything good > advertised for those, yet. A unidirectional cob panel type would be > perfect,

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-24 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Dan wrote: > The power supplies for the LED bulbs generate RF in the same > range as automatic garage door openers, enough that it’s been > shown that their use will reduce the range of the wireless > remotes due to interference. Depends on the LED driver. There are quite a few different

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-24 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> The power supplies for the LED bulbs generate RF Not guaranteed. This is just poor design, which could/should be corrected in higher-quality products. But, they'll _never_ be as robust and 'clean' as a simple metal filament. Consider an EMP. The filament has to actually be heated more than

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-24 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Here’s some trivia around the use of LED bulbs in automatic garage door openers: The power supplies for the LED bulbs generate RF in the same range as automatic garage door openers, enough that it’s been shown that their use will reduce the range of the wireless remotes due to interference. -D

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-24 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> The fixture I bought for the front porch uses 4 of those small socket type > bulbs and it says max 25W. That means that using 25W incandescents (100W) will not generate enough heat to cause a fire, or other failure of the fixture itself, or overheat the ceiling, or harm the incandescent

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-24 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> A lot less electricity. That and they don’t produce any discernible heat, > either. That’s important in my part of the world where AC is on LEDs seem to be at about the 10% point now, when compared to an equivalent incandescent. Yes, significant where the waste heat must be removed via heat

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-24 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> Several years ago, believing that 100W bulbs were being banned, I believe the ban was repealed or postponed. Not, however, before the last bulb-making plant in the US was killed as a result. The 40W-equivalent bulbs I'm so fond of, the decoratives, are Philips, which is a brand I trust. They

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-24 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The thing I hated about CFLs was that they took a minute to develop full output. I had a couple in a hall where our pantry was, and I always hated that if I wanted full brightness out of them I would have to wait. -D > On May 24, 2020, at 8:31 AM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes > wrote: > >

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-24 Thread Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes
Several years ago, believing that 100W bulbs were being banned, I stocked up on them. I use them in shop lights, where I frequently break bulbs. But it seems like I've seen them on sale recently. I went pretty strong on the CFL bandwagon about 15 years ago. The number of 5000 hour bulbs that I

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-24 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
A lot less electricity. That and they don’t produce any discernible heat, either. That’s important in my part of the world where AC is on a good part of the year. In my kitchen there are seven can/recessed fixtures. A day or two’s worth of use with incandescent lamps is easily the total of the

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-23 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>I have always loathed the CFLs, as they _never_ last >like they're supposed to, I switched to CFL's before it was trendy. I have one or maybe two left that still work that have a made in USA label on them. I was late to the party on the LEDs as they were quite pricey when they first came out.

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-23 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
In my experience the standard household CFL and LED bulbs don't last any longer than the now illegal old incandescents I used to get for $1 for 4 bulbs at the dollar store. They do use less electricity though. Allan Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes writes: > I was at Lowes this evening because I

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-23 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 23 May 2020 23:13:21 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > > Craig wrote: > > > I just got 6 each 60 W equivalent for $4.95 with the Public > > Service Company of New Mexico (power company) discount. > > Light output? 800 lumens Craig ___

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-23 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 23 May 2020 22:25:45 -0600 Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Sat, 23 May 2020 23:12:18 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes > wrote: > > > For the garage, I used to look for at least 1000 L for the 75 W > > incandescent lamps I used in there. I'm still looking for a well > > built, non-expensive

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-23 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 23 May 2020 23:12:18 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > For the garage, I used to look for at least 1000 L for the 75 W > incandescent lamps I used in there. I'm still looking for a well > built, non-expensive LED with 1000 to 1200 L output. The Feit LED bulbs I get at Costco put out

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-23 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Kaleb wrote: > The fixture... says max 25W.  > I bought a box of 60W equivalent which are actually 5W I > believe.  Since they are actually only 5W is it OK to use in > this fixture? Yup. Watt is a Watt. "Watt equivalent" is [omitted]! However, if it is a very enclosed fixture, the LED

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-23 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Jim wrote: > LEDs can't take the heat, nor do they generate much. So don't > use them in your brooder houses... Or lava lamps ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-23 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Craig wrote: > I just got 6 each 60 W equivalent for $4.95 with the Public > Service Company of New Mexico (power company) discount. Light output? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-23 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Kaleb wrote: > I got the cheapest per bulb I could find > the highest I found were 60W equivalent. [strong expletives obscured] "Watt equivalent" Use Lumens. Lumen is a measure of the total light output with no regard to direction or distance to illuminated surface. "Watt equivalent"

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-23 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
I've found all I need at Lowes as a rule. Also at the grocery. I've gone back and forth on Kelvin rating, I prefer the daylight ones, but they sometimes seem too blue. I can find 100W equivalent easily (which reminds me, I want one for the bedroom ceilng fixture). The only LEDs I have had

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-23 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 23 May 2020 19:40:19 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > High-wattage LED replacements are still spotty, but they seem to be at > the 60W level just fine. The 100 W equivalent LED bulbs made by Feit which Costco sells work well. We are using seven of them to light our "long room" and

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-23 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 23 May 2020 21:49:57 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > Here is one other question I had about them.  The fixture I bought for > the front porch uses 4 of those small socket type bulbs and it says max > 25W.  I am going on the assumption that is 25W incandescent.  I bought > a

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-23 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 23 May 2020 21:35:50 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: > the dim bub obungler geniuses in the swamp decreed that thou shalt not > buy light bubs.  you must use the planet destroying curley fry light > bubs,   that kill the fishes mit mucry.  So everyone had to buy curley > fry

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-23 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Here is one other question I had about them.  The fixture I bought for the front porch uses 4 of those small socket type bulbs and it says max 25W.  I am going on the assumption that is 25W incandescent.  I bought a box of 60W equivalent which are actually 5W I believe.  Since they are

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-23 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
I have always loathed the CFLs, as they _never_ last like they're supposed to, the light quality is often kind of crappy, and they end up flickering. They also don't work in environmental extremes, and don't like getting wet. LEDs are now as cheap to make as CFLs, expect the latter to basically

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-23 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
That was a lot cheaper than I paid.  I do not have a costco membership but did not think to look at Sam's. On 5/23/2020 9:30 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Sat, 23 May 2020 21:25:18 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I was at Lowes this evening because I wanted to purchase some

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-23 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
the dim bub obungler geniuses in the swamp decreed that thou shalt not buy light bubs.  you must use the planet destroying curley fry light bubs,   that kill the fishes mit mucry.  So everyone had to buy curley fry light bubs.   THen LED bubs got cheaper so the exiting obunglers said "You must

Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-23 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 23 May 2020 21:25:18 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > I was at Lowes this evening because I wanted to purchase some motion > sensing lights for beside the garage and porch light.  I also needed to > get some bulbs.  It has been many years since we have used regular old >

[MBZ] What is the deal with light bulbs?

2020-05-23 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
I was at Lowes this evening because I wanted to purchase some motion sensing lights for beside the garage and porch light.  I also needed to get some bulbs.  It has been many years since we have used regular old fashioned bulbs that cost a buck for a 4 pack.  We usually get a big box of those