Scott:
Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that.
First, for the record, as currently produced, ethanol takes somewhat
more BTUs to produce that it has in it, mostly due to distillation
costs for water removal. I suppose there are ways around that, but the
only reason ADM makes
For all of our bantering back and forth, Kleb, I think that is the key question.
I am now old enough that I will probably be able to buy diesel until
the day I die. I might pay $5 or $10 per gallon as it becomes scarce,
but I will be able to buy it.
But for my kids and my granddaughter, that
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Does anyone have unbiased, objective numbers supporting the contention
that transition to sustainable
On Monday, July 18, 2005, at 10:42 PM, Steve MacSween wrote:
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They were flabberghasted when the few North Americans on the list
chimed in saying we've been driving ethanol blends for up to 12 years
or more in some areas. They simply would not believe it. Not sure if
they still do.
Just in case anyone would ever have the nerve to call Scott a whiner I can
tell you that what he says is true. Farming in Canada is worse because
support for the industry is pretty low on the radar.
AND, farmers won't really make anything from ethanol fuels. We have to
import corn into Ontario
Peter Frederick wrote:
First, for the record, as currently produced, ethanol takes somewhat
more BTUs to produce that it has in it, mostly due to distillation
costs for water removal.
Careful friends. Do not accept this as fact. And do not base your
decisions about ethanol based on this
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 06:57:07 -0400, Mitch Haley wrote
redghost wrote:
Going to make a huge mess in their drawers when they learn the
Brazilians are using 80% ethenol
I used to hear about Brazilians running p100 (petro) from an aux
tank at startup and then switching over to e100. Are
There is also the use of non grain feed stock which may increase the
btu available. Somebody is using the left over chaff and processing
that into fuel so more plant matter is able to provide sugars.
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Lee Einer wrote:
Obviously, for most of human
history, we have farmed successfully without reliance on petroleum
products.
That's because, for most of human history, there was a hell of a lot
fewer of us.
Eliminate chemical fertilizers, peticides, and petroleum-driven
cultivation and you
is an environmentalist on a mission.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
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Steve MacSween wrote:
I recently witnessed it firsthand on an Australian performance cars list I
also happen to belong to. If you heard the disinformation campaign claims
about ethanol now being taken at face value in the Aus media, you'd fall off
your collective chair. I thought someone was
Eewww. That's GROSS! GRIN
Royce Engler
1985 300TD Turbo 265K
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:42:18 -0400, Steve MacSween wrote
Both the oil companies AND the major automakers are saying that even
going to a TEN PERCENT ethanol blend in Aus will destroy the fuel
systems on many vehicles due to rotting out soft fuel lines,
clogging pumps, blah blah. The media
Amen
The propaganda campaign mounted in CA when they were SUPPOSED to be
mandated to take out MTBE was amazing. Even the treehuggers were fighting
FOR MTBE! It was unbelievable. All I can say is Wise up, there is a
WHOLE lot of propaganda out there. Most of what passes for network news
Mac,
Tell the Aussies to go to Brazil. As I understand it, the same GM and ford
that were whining in the US 20-30 years ago about ethanol in the US were
happily building E85 cars in Brazil. Brazil has been on E85 for 30-40
years now. Brazil simply told the carmakers that only E85 cars
I think the Tibetan model has a lot to recommend it.
joe
On 7/19/05, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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When you die you get
encased in concrete and buried. The cycle of life has us decomposing back
into the soil from which we came. In our new nothing gross society we've
Does anyone have unbiased, objective numbers supporting the contention
that transition to sustainable agriculture would result in widespread
famine? I am sure that's Monsanto's official position, but I don't
believe that it is unquestioned and immutable truth.
Lee
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Being a newspaper article, there is simply not enough
info here to objectively analyze. Did they incorporate
the costs of NOT having to subsidize the Crop Reserve
Program? Did they factor in the military costs of
having to stabilize oil producing regions?...or the
billions in foreign aid given
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WHO funded the study?
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Loren Faeth wrote:
WHO funded the study?
I didn't see funding mentioned in the article, but I doubt it was
the World Health Organization. Their funding goes for things like
new gold plated bathtubs for Koffi Annan's son's house.
Cornell and Berkeley, those two bastions of conservative thought.
...Kevin
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WHO funded the study?
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