ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org writes:
San Francisco set up a system to do something very much like this some
years ago, but seems to have issues related to dealing with the
storage tanks (not the fuel itself).
I don't recall if it was San Francisco but one of the
Allan Streib wrote:
Sort of an underhanded tax as they were taking
something the restaurants could previously sell and taking it for their
own use.
Another word for a 100% in-kind tax is confiscation.
Mitch.
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For new and used
Ah! confiscation! the favorite practice of progressive people
Progressive is another word for marxist. And it is not groucho,
harpo, chico and zeppo they worship.
Allan Streib wrote:
Sort of an underhanded tax as they were taking
something the restaurants could previously sell and
Progressive is an abbreviation of the sentence We will progressively
remove all Constitutional guaranteed rights and all earned income from the
citizens because they are our slaves and all treasure shall only be used by
the deserving ruling elite class.
You didn't get the memo? Must not be one
It sounds like a great idea to me. All cities ought to undertake this sort
of community initiative. It's local representative government at its best.
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Allan Streib wrote:
Sort of an underhanded tax as they were taking
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It sounds like a great idea to me. All cities ought to undertake this sort
of community initiative. It's local representative
but even I consider this an
absolute abomination...
-Curt
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andrew strasfogel wrote:
I guess I would want to know the market value of all that WVO that was being
hijacked and put to good use.
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Does it matter?
The market value was positive, and a government just stole it from somebody who
was already putting it to good use. Might get interesting if the
I don't know the market value but there must be a profit to be made or the
rendering companies would be glad to have wvo users siphon off oil out of
their tanks.
Profit or not the government should have no right to confiscate personal
property for it's own gain. What part of our Constitution
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes:
Stealing from businesses is representative government at its best?
I consider myself somewhat socially liberal but even I consider this
an absolute abomination...
OK I did some checking and I think I remembered the original story
incorrectly. The
Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu writes:
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes:
Stealing from businesses is representative government at its best?
I consider myself somewhat socially liberal but even I consider this
an absolute abomination...
OK I did some checking and I think I
Thanks, Curt. Nothing beats cold, hard facts to help focus a discussion.
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote:
Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu writes:
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes:
Stealing from businesses is representative government
Michael Canfield wrote:
I don't know the market value but there must be a profit to be made or the
rendering companies would be glad to have wvo users siphon off oil out of
their tanks.
Didn't somebody recently say that 'yellow grease' was worth dollars per gallon?
I was shocked that it had
Allan Streib wrote:
OK I did some checking and I think I remembered the original story
incorrectly. The city program was picking up the grease for free and
undercutting private haulers.
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2008/04/28/story6.html
I see. Much ado about nothing.
IS this what economists would call an inefficient market?
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Allan Streib wrote:
OK I did some checking and I think I remembered the original story
incorrectly. The city program was picking up the grease for free and
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I guess I would want to know
actually, one of the (alleged) primary motivators when they started this
back in 2007 was to try to alleviate the issues of Waste Oil being
disposed of improperly and causing sewage issues.
from
http://www.greencitiescalifornia.org/best-practice/greasecycle-san-francisco
The San Francisco
Rather than build a plant to handle all the grease in that WWT plant,
the honorable Mayor opted to build a miniature version, then go whole
hog on the PR to try to get re-elected.
All the PR makes it sound like sanfransicko is processing all its
grease into Biod. Not so. Just a tiny bit for
Spoken like a true Tory... errr, Marx u, progressive.
(Imitating Bambam's stammering and stuttering without a
teleprompter.)
I'll take Patrick Henry over tories, or any chosen name they choose to go by.
It sounds like a great idea to me. All cities ought to undertake this sort
of
And the used oil was being dumped in sewers because the cost (nothing) was
cheaper than paying the greasers to pick it up. Hence the city's decision to
pick it up for free. Sounds like one (rare) instance when SF leaders did not
have their heads up their backsides.
ernest breakfield wrote:
Thank Allen I was merely waxing libertarian...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:20:42 -0400
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to be fair, it has to be noted that this was an experimental plant
designed to prove the possibility of processing the Brown Grease that
most people didn't want, as it's easier to make BioD from Oil than Brown
Grease.
plan was for this to be a test facility for one year, and to be
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IS this what economists would call an inefficient market?
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Allan Streib
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IS this what economists would call an inefficient market?
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Allan Streib wrote
San Francisco set up a system to do something very much like this some
years ago, but seems to have issues related to dealing with the storage
tanks (not the fuel itself).
http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/transportation/2011/01/san-francisco-falling-short-use-biodiesel-public-vehicles
cheers!
On 22/Jul/11 13:52, andrew strasfogel wrote:
Now I am really confused.
Can you purchase a pump product labeled B20 that is pre-blended to
containing 20 percent (of what - refined biodiesel
yes. the 'B' indicates that 'x' percentage of BioDiesel is blended with
regular #2 Diesel fuel. B5?
safest answer? none.
if you live where it's particularly hot and regularly do a lot of
long-distance driving you might get away with it for a while without
adding your car to the pile of cars that have been destroyed by people
doing exactly that.
cheers!
e
On 22/Jul/11 14:32, andrew
I just thought of something else. One of my 300TD wagons has a trap
oxidizer. Would that make it more sensitive to nonconventional fuel?
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 7:05 AM, ernest breakfield
erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote:
safest answer? none.
if you live where it's particularly hot
it might depend on what you mean by non-conventional fuel, but i can
tell you that the ~75K+ miles i have on almost exclusively B99-B100 has
been in an '85 300D California model. (this car went through at least 2
open campaigns with Mercedes to replace the original Particulate Trap
with
I can remember reading about oil-jackings about 8-10 years ago, but not
recently. The serial thefts you'd read about involved somebody going around with
a truck, breaking locks on the tanks, and pumping them out. I always figured
they were wholesaling it, like when thieves steal aluminum
Wire thief was recently electrocuted here when he tried to steal wire
from a live electrical substation. Some discussion of Darwin's
theories ensued.
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:45 -0400, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
I can remember reading about oil-jackings about 8-10 years ago, but
not
Andrew was up there getting his feedstocks for his incipient biofuel
business in DC?
A coupla goobers got caught yesterday somewhere around here leaving the
scene of a smoking building, one of the goobers had half his hand
missing and 3rd degree burns on it. Can you say, Live wires, Darwin?
My final answer on the home biodiesel refining debacle is that all the
used cooking oil should be collected and centrally processed in a
commercial, scaled up refinery for use by WMATA in public transit buses.
End of story.
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Rich Thomas
Rich Thomas wrote:
Andrew was up there getting his feedstocks for his incipient biofuel
business in DC?
A coupla goobers got caught yesterday somewhere around here leaving the
scene of a smoking building, one of the goobers had half his hand
missing and 3rd degree burns on it. Can you say,
andrew strasfogel wrote:
My final answer on the home biodiesel refining debacle is that all the
used cooking oil should be collected and centrally processed in a
commercial, scaled up refinery for use by WMATA in public transit buses.
End of story.
A nearby (well, 40 miles north of here)
On 22/07/2011 2:57 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
My final answer on the home biodiesel refining debacle is that all the
used cooking oil should be collected and centrally processed in a
commercial, scaled up refinery for use by WMATA in public transit buses.
End of story.
But, don't you
To be honest, I doubt anyone would notice!
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
On 22/07/2011 2:57 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
My final answer on the home biodiesel refining debacle is that all the
used cooking oil should be collected and centrally
Now I am really confused.
Can you purchase a pump product labeled B20 that is pre-blended to
containing 20 percent (of what - refined biodiesel OR strained WVO OR pure
vegetable oil??) or does one add 2 gallons of cooking oil to the tank along
with 8 gallons of regular diesel to achieve B20.
andrew strasfogel wrote:
Now I am really confused.
Can you purchase a pump product labeled B20 that is pre-blended to
containing 20 percent (of what - refined biodiesel OR strained WVO OR pure
vegetable oil??) or does one add 2 gallons of cooking oil to the tank along
with 8 gallons of regular
That is where the flavour comes from..
Randy
On 22/07/2011 3:45 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
To be honest, I doubt anyone would notice!
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
On 22/07/2011 2:57 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
My final answer on the home
Andrew,
If you make longer trips a wvo conversion would be good for you as there
are folks advertising already filtered wvo on craigslist in the VA area for
around $2 per gallon. Wvo is no good for short trips. Wvo is not biodiesel
until it is processed.
Mike
On Jul 22, 2011 4:52 PM, andrew
Ok - next question. How many gallons of filtered WVO can I add to the10
gallons of diesel fuel that is currently in the tank without damaging
anything? Tank capacity is nominally 18.6 gallons.
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote:
Andrew,
If you make
Chances are the only thing you would hurt is the primary fuel filter would
end up clogged with crap out of the tank. You should use heat to reduce the
viscosity of the wvo but should never heat diesel. I am installing a 20
plate heat exchanger with a shutoff valve on the coolant side so it can
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