[MBZ] 300E 5 speed

2005-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/The-only-5-Speed-on-Ebay-in-Showroom-Condition_W0QQitemZ4595391583QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
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Re: [MBZ] CarFax, PLS Kaleb.....

2005-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

wont pull up

Chuck Landenberger wrote:


WDB2010341A149077

TIA,

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ
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Re: [MBZ] Car Fax anyone?

2005-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

 Vehicle Snapshot
Vehicle 1985 Mercedes-Benz 190 Series 190E
VIN WDBDA24C3FF050216
Body Style 4 Door Sedan
Country of Manufacture Germany


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Taxi Use No Taxi Use Records Found
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this vehicle.


Date Location Mileage Description
1994-01-31 KS 20441 title
1994-01-31 KS  not actual miles
2005-04-01 wichita, KS 10 title
2005-04-01 wichita, KS  registration event/renewal
2005-04-01 wichita, KS  excluded/exempt
2005-07-27 midwest region, 67484 reported at auto auction


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Title Vehicle had title registration event reported by state DMV.
Not Actual Miles Actual mileage is different than the odometer reading.
Renewal Vehicle had registration renewal event reported by state DMV.
Excluded/Exempt Vehicle is generally exempt from normal/mandatory 
odometer law for the following reasons:

1.Vehicle model year is 10 years or older.
2.Gross weight of vehicle over 16000 lbs.
3.Vehicle is not self-propelled.
4.Titled to the manufacturer.
Auction Odometer Reading Vehicle reported the vehicle's odometer reading 
is from auto auction.


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Donald Snook wrote:

Can anyone run a car fax on this?  Thanks very much. 

 


WDBDA24C3FF050216

 


Donald H. Snook

 


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 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
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Re: [MBZ] W123 limo going cheap

2005-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

no I dont remember it

George Gregory wrote:


On 12/11/05 2:04 PM, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



It'd look a lot better without the gangstalicious gold wheels.  Put some
bundts on there and you might have something.



That thang was on eBay a couple years ago.

I'm surprised that Kleb does not remember it.

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 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] CarFax report request!

2005-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

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Vehicle 1992 Mercedes-Benz 400 Series 400SE
VIN WDBGA42E4NA043025
Body Style 4 Door Sedan
Country of Manufacture Germany


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Abandoned No Abandoned Records Found
Damaged No Damaged Records Found
Fire Damage No Fire Damage Records Found
Grey Market No Grey Market Records Found
Hail Damage No Hail Damage Records Found
Insurance Loss No Insurance Loss Records Found
Junk No Junk Records Found
Rebuilt/Rebuildable No Rebuilt/Rebuildable Records Found
Salvage No Salvage Records Found


 Problem Check
Your vehicle checks out!

NHTSA Crash Test Vehicle No NHTSA Crash Test Vehicle Records Found
Fire Damage Incident No Fire Damage Incident Records Found
Frame Damage No Frame Damage Records Found
Major Damage No Major Damage Records Found
Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon No Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon Records Found
Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon No Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon Records Found
Odometer Problem No Odometer Problem Records Found
Salvage Auction No Salvage Auction Records Found
Water Damage No Water Damage Records Found


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Accident Data No Accident Data Records Found
Corrected Title No Corrected Title Records Found
Driver Education No Driver Education Records Found
Duplicate Title No Duplicate Title Records Found
Emission/Safety Inspection No Emission/Safety Inspection Records Found
Livery Use No Livery Use Records Found
Government Use No Government Use Records Found
Police Use No Police Use Records Found
Rental/Fleet No Rental/Fleet Records Found
Repossessed No Repossessed Records Found
Taxi Use No Taxi Use Records Found
Theft No Theft Records Found


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Date Location Mileage Description
1995-06-13 eastern region, 48680 reported at auto auction
1995-10-23 upper marlboro, MD 50237 odometer reading from dmv
1997-09-29 upper marlboro, MD  registration event/renewal
1998-10-15 upper marlboro, MD  registration event/renewal
1999-11-01 upper marlboro, MD  registration event/renewal
2001-10-19 upper marlboro, MD  registration event/renewal
2001-10-30 upper marlboro, MD  registration event/renewal
2003-06-10 MD 158386 title
2003-07-03 PA 158386 auction announced as fleet/lease


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is from auto auction.
Odometer Reading from DMV Odometer reading recorded by the state 
Department of Motor Vehicles.

Renewal Vehicle had registration renewal event reported by state DMV.
Title Vehicle had title registration event reported by state DMV.
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or lease.


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kayoooh @ gmail wrote:


Kaleb,
If you still can do a Carfax report, I'd appreciate it.

WDBGA42E4NA043025

Thank you,

Omar.

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 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] W123 limo going cheap

2005-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I just heard of that 123 club because somebody posted a link to it about 
something or other, didnt know they charged though!!  Maybe I should 
start charging, NOT.


Fmiser wrote:


rumor has it that Tom wrote:


Look in the back ground on one of the photos nice 123 wagons and sedans 
possibly for sale??/Tom





On 12/11/05, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


http://club123d.org/listings/page10.html


Wow, could that possibly be any uglier?

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo




From the URL and email address, it seems this is being sold by the

club president.

I was handed a card for this club while at the Flying J truckstop in
Sullivan MO. (about 65 miles west of downtown St. Louis on I-44)

About a year or more ago, I met a fellow at the Sullivan airport with
a W123. He also informed me of the existance of this club. 


http://club123d.org

There seems to be a lot of words but not much information. Puzzling.

It so happens that I have more than a 1/2 dozen W123 diesels - but I
_still_ haven't figured out why I would want to belong to a Exclusive
club for W123 chassis cars!!

Silver membership is $25 per car per year.
http://club123d.org/page11.html

Here's another humorous page - for next years W123 car show!
http://club123d.org/events/page23.html

Maybe I'm an anti-social, stuckup hillbilly, but I'd rather send my
$25 to Rusty and actually _get_ something for my money!! Besides, I
don't have time to teach someone else all the stuff I've learned from
this list and it's ancestors...

Oh, and those two guys I meet who are so eager to promote their club
were _very_ eager to have me join. Smells fishy to me.

  Philip, who likes Kaleb's club

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 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] W123 limo going cheap

2005-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
who runs this 123 club?  ITs a disgrace, charging people to enter cars 
into a taxi show?  I have seen it all.  This is even worse than the crap 
stu ritter and his bed buddy hank pull.


Fmiser wrote:


rumor has it that Tom wrote:



Read the W123 annoncement and you'll note the following:

All judging decisions are final and made by the Club 123D President.

On other words, no panel of judges.




Here's another humorous page - for next years W123 car show!
http://club123d.org/events/page23.html



*chuckle* That was only _one_ of the lines that, um, bothered me! Seems
he gets to judge the crowd choice and the owners choice too!

   Philip, club free

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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] W123 limo going cheap

2005-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

no

Fmiser wrote:


rumor has it that George wrote:



I've often wondered who this guy is.  He is only known as
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



I scanned the front and back of the business card. But to make the fine
print readable the images is about 500K.

Is that too big to send to the list?

  Philip, enquiring minds want to know...

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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] '75 300D no fuel 1 or 5

2005-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

bad IP, need one?

Luther Gulseth wrote:


My work buddy came about a '75 300D that won't start.  He broke the injector 
lines loose and tried to start it, and 1 and 5 are getting no fuel.  What might 
cause this?

Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix)
'82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi

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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] '75 300D no fuel at injectors 1 or 5

2005-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

This is a 300D, it doenst have the manual start/stop leaver.

Tom Hargrave wrote:


Luther,

There are several possibilities.

The 1975 uses a cable from the passenger compartment to turn the pump on 
off. The cable is attached to a lever that is pushed foreward to turn the
pump off  pulled to the rear to turn the pump on. The lever may be situated
in such a way that the pump is turned partially or completely off  the fuel
in lines 2 - 4 is just what's left in the system.

The injection pump was empty when you tried to start the car and all pumps
(there's one per cylinder) have not primed yet.

The injection pump was empty when you tried to start the car and you did not
fill the injection pump with the primer pump before trying to start the car.

The primary and / or secondary fuel filter is plugged and you can't get
enough fuel to the injection pump to start the car.


Here's a good procedure for starting a 1975 300D that has not run in a
while.

1 - Unscrew the hand primper pump and pump until you feel the resistance
change. The change verifies that all air has purged from the injection pump.
Screw the hand primer pump back into its seat.

2 - Verify that the shutoff lever on the pump moves twords the rear when you
pull the start knob to the second (run) position.

3 - Connect a good battery charger to the battery - something that will
source 30 - 50 amps.

4 - Pull the start knob to the third (glow) position and hold until the
glowplug indicator in the dash glows red.

5 - Pull the knob to the fourth (start) position  hold until the engine
starts, but no longer then 15 seconds. The starter will overheat if you run
it too long.

6- If the engins shows no sign of starting then verify that the glow plugs
did warm up. If not then you have some electrical troublseshooting to do
before you can start the car.

7- If the glow plugs do warm then repeat steps 4  5 until the car starts.
You may have to repeat this cycle 10 or more times if the injection pump was
empty.


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Luther Gulseth
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:14 AM
To: Luther Gulseth; Mercedes mailing list
Subject: [MBZ] '75 300D no fuel at injectors 1 or 5


Changed the subject

My work buddy came about a '75 300D that won't start.  He broke the injector
lines loose and tried to start it, and 1 and 5 are getting no fuel.  What
might cause this?

Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix)
'82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi



Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix)
'82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi

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 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] W123 limo going cheap

2005-12-13 Thread Marshall Booth

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
who runs this 123 club?  ITs a disgrace, charging people to enter cars 
into a taxi show?  I have seen it all.  This is even worse than the crap 
stu ritter and his bed buddy hank pull.


WHAT crap?

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-13 Thread Christopher McCann
My only concern with Okie-Q was the back tracking  for some. More I think about 
it, I like OkieQ as a better starting  point, if you don't mind the extra 
miles. I don't either (mind the  extra miles). If there are others who will 
come and don't want to start  at the OkieQ, the caravan can always rendezvous 
with them at a point  along the way that is closer to each of them. That can be 
EASILY  planned once we establish 1) a route and 2) who all is coming. 
  
  QUESTION #1: Looking over my Rand McNally map, I am seeing alot of  scenic 
highways. Do we want to chose scenic highways over the fastest  route?
  
  QUESTION #2: Do we want, as far as is possible, to make the going to  and 
the return trip as different as possible without unduly  elongating the trip?
  
  Personally, I think scenic roads are good and two relatively different routes 
are also good.
  
  OR  fastest route to (just in case we run into problems that slow  us down) 
and a slower scenic route back that we can always cut short in  case we are 
running severely behind?
  
  THoughts?
  
  Chris
  
  
  

Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Christopher worried:

At the same time, we want to keep backtracking to a  minimum. Bob will be 
heading straight north...don't know if anyone west  of Bob plans on coming. 


I really don't mind driving over to Okie-Q first as a starting point.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


- Original Message - 
From: Christopher McCann 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:30 PM
Subject: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point


In principle, it would be nice to meet up as soon  as possible.

  I've got two ideas:

  1. Sumas, WA (north of Seattle): Here is the link for the route from Sumas 
to Deadhorse:
  
http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/directions/dirGetDirections.jsp?BV_SessionID=1556161185.1134415227BV_EngineID=addghfdejljcefecggfdffhdgif.0cmty=0

  2. Sweet Grass, MT: this would have Easterners bypassing the Rockies 
entirely and hwy 15 is a straight shot for Bob. According to my map,  these 
first roads through Canada are not as scenic as the above route:
  
http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/directions/dirGetDirections.jsp?BV_SessionID=1556161185.1134415227BV_EngineID=addghfdejljcefecggfdffhdgif.0cmty=0

  Both of these towns are right on the border. Both work fine. Perhaps 
there are other ideas of where we might rendezvous sooner in the US.

  Of course, if two cars are coming from, say, Missouri, those two would 
caravan together to the main rendezvous point, etc.

  If there are Canadians wanting to come, we need a Canada rendezvous point 
too.

  Thoughts, suggestions, feedback, better ideas?

  Thanks,

  Chris






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-1985 300SD, 210K, Wulf
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Re: [MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices

2005-12-13 Thread David Brodbeck

Tom Hargrave wrote:

Up until the huge increase, I could always get diesel $0.20 cheaper along
the I-20 corridor than in Huntsville . Now diesel is running $0.30 cheaper
in Huntsville than along the I-20 corridor.
  


I find that in the Seattle area it's noticeably cheaper once you get 
away from the I-5 corridor.  It's almost always $0.20-$0.30 more in 
Seatac (on I-5) than in Auburn (on SR-167), for example.  I suppose the 
higher traffic volumes on I-5 are to blame.




Re: [MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices

2005-12-13 Thread David Brodbeck

Chuck Landenberger wrote:

My opinion is that averages don't mean JACK..


The median might actually be more interesting.




Re: [MBZ] W123 limo going cheap

2005-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

It didnt earn the name hitler list for nuthin'

Marshall Booth wrote:


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

who runs this 123 club?  ITs a disgrace, charging people to enter cars 
into a taxi show?  I have seen it all.  This is even worse than the crap 
stu ritter and his bed buddy hank pull.



WHAT crap?

Marshall


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Re: [MBZ] picturing a banjo bolt

2005-12-13 Thread David Brodbeck

Hans Neureiter wrote:

A lug nut does not look like a lug, but it goes on a lug.
  


I always thought the term lug nut dated back to when wire wheels were 
held on with one big center nut, which had lugs on the side so you could 
whack it with a mallet to loosen it.





Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
most people who are far enough away to not want to start at the okieq 
are too far away anyways and probably wouldnt have come regardless.


Christopher McCann wrote:

My only concern with Okie-Q was the back tracking  for some. More I think about it, I like OkieQ as a better starting  point, if you don't mind the extra miles. I don't either (mind the  extra miles). If there are others who will come and don't want to start  at the OkieQ, the caravan can always rendezvous with them at a point  along the way that is closer to each of them. That can be EASILY  planned once we establish 1) a route and 2) who all is coming. 
  
  QUESTION #1: Looking over my Rand McNally map, I am seeing alot of  scenic highways. Do we want to chose scenic highways over the fastest  route?
  
  QUESTION #2: Do we want, as far as is possible, to make the going to  and the return trip as different as possible without unduly  elongating the trip?
  
  Personally, I think scenic roads are good and two relatively different routes are also good.
  
  OR  fastest route to (just in case we run into problems that slow  us down) and a slower scenic route back that we can always cut short in  case we are running severely behind?
  
  THoughts?
  
  Chris
  
  
  


Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Christopher worried:

At the same time, we want to keep backtracking to a  minimum. Bob will be 
heading straight north...don't know if anyone west  of Bob plans on coming. 



I really don't mind driving over to Okie-Q first as a starting point.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


- Original Message - 
From: Christopher McCann 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:30 PM

Subject: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point


In principle, it would be nice to meet up as soon  as possible.

  I've got two ideas:

  1. Sumas, WA (north of Seattle): Here is the link for the route from Sumas 
to Deadhorse:

  
http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/directions/dirGetDirections.jsp?BV_SessionID=1556161185.1134415227BV_EngineID=addghfdejljcefecggfdffhdgif.0cmty=0

  2. Sweet Grass, MT: this would have Easterners bypassing the Rockies 
entirely and hwy 15 is a straight shot for Bob. According to my map,  these 
first roads through Canada are not as scenic as the above route:

  
http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/directions/dirGetDirections.jsp?BV_SessionID=1556161185.1134415227BV_EngineID=addghfdejljcefecggfdffhdgif.0cmty=0

  Both of these towns are right on the border. Both work fine. Perhaps 
there are other ideas of where we might rendezvous sooner in the US.


  Of course, if two cars are coming from, say, Missouri, those two would 
caravan together to the main rendezvous point, etc.


  If there are Canadians wanting to come, we need a Canada rendezvous point 
too.


  Thoughts, suggestions, feedback, better ideas?

  Thanks,

  Chris






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-2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose
-1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen
-1985 300SD, 210K, Wulf
-1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen)
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Product Information on OTR 8932Q

2005-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

you will probably need to post a link to it then.

Christopher McCann wrote:


Kaleb,
  
  the link to the PDF doesn't seem to work...could you try it again?
  
  Thanks,
  
  Chris


Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yeah,  it's VERY hard to find 
online...had to make a few phone calls. Order  from this lady at GE. Right now, I 
think you can only buy 1 case at a  time (treats 4,000 gallons). Very cheap, though. 
I would be MORE than  happy to sell one or two of my gallons (at cost) as long as you 
pay  shipping. It will take FOREVER to go through 4 gallons.
  
  Info sheet attached.
  
  Chrisotpher


Foster, Kelley A (GE Infrastructure)  wrote:  Subject: Product Information on 
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Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:25:23 -0500
From: Foster, Kelley A \(GE Infrastructure\) 
To: 


  It was a pleasure to talk with you concerning our performance  additives. The 
below information outlines the product benefits. If you  should have further 
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-1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen
-1985 300SD, 210K, Wulf 
-1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen)

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-1985 300SD, 210K, Wulf 
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 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

2005-12-13 Thread David Brodbeck

Kris Gilmore wrote:


  Electrocution, BS.  Fixing  a break in a 120V AC cord is about 
as far from rocket science as it gets.   And it is easy to test.
  
Fixing it is easy.  Fixing it so it'll be waterproof is harder.  If it's 
not waterproof, it won't stay fixed for long.


That said, this is a three-prong cord, and I assume the ground prong is 
bonded to the car chassis.  There shouldn't be any electrocution risk as 
long as you plug it into a grounded outlet.





Re: [MBZ] CarFax, PLS Kaleb.....

2005-12-13 Thread Chuck Landenberger

Thanks..  It's a euro 16V...  Not surprised...

Merry Christmas to all  Whether it's PC or not!!!

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
On Dec 12, 2005, at 5:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


wont pull up

Chuck Landenberger wrote:


WDB2010341A149077

TIA,

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ
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Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

2005-12-13 Thread Mike Canfield

Wilton,
 You can pick up a 700 watt for $70 or less and then you can use it for 
more than just the charger.  You can run many assorted powertools with one 
that size.  Be carefull when you buy one thoughBe sure it is rated for 
use with a battery charger.  Some are not.  Seems there should be some sort 
of step up transformer you could use with a rectifier to go from 12VDC to 
24VDC and save the energy loss in the transfer to AC and back to DC.  I 
don't know the specifics but someone here with an electical engineering 
background should be able to whip you up a charger in no time.


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 5:32 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Arctic Q


Scooter bat is 24v DC (2 12v lead/acid in series); charger input is 120v 
AC,

1.2 amp; output is 29.5v DC, 1.5 amp.
'Considering 300 watt inverter.

Wilton


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[MBZ] More block heater pyrotechnics

2005-12-13 Thread RELNGSON
I posted in re: repairing vs replacing a rotted out block heater power cord:

Boy oh boy, is this bum advice. The cost of that cord is inconsequential.

The cost is not huge, no.  (Though it is a significant percentage of the
cost of that car.)

How much can a five foot power cord cost? Is this a $50 car? Maybe I missed 
that. The block heater cord in my '78 300D was just a plain old cord with 
perhaps an unique plug at the engine end. And I used it for years.

Advice traded here is among competent adults who are assumed capable of 
evaluating
their own abilities and acting accordingly. Not children.

I have to think that applying power to a heater that I've never used and 
then wondering what could be wrong when sparks fly from under the front of the 
car might reveal that matters electrical are not at the very top of the owner's 
interest areas.

Do you think that I was crazy to have replaced the three stranded
10ga wires in my home furnace that had oxidized, overheated,
and burned out.  Total cost: nil, I had a roll of suitable wire.
Should I have ordered a new furnace instead?  How do I know that
it won't explode instantly when it's turned on, the old furnace at
least has proven itself to be safe and reliable over 30 years..

Of course not and this has no relation to our discussion. I repeat, any risk 
of applying commercial 120V to an ungrounded sometimes wet metal mass (the 
car) is an invitation to disaster.

RLE


Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

2005-12-13 Thread David Brodbeck

Mike Canfield wrote:
Seems there should be some sort 
of step up transformer you could use with a rectifier to go from 12VDC to 
24VDC and save the energy loss in the transfer to AC and back to DC.


To step up from a lower voltage to a higher one you *have* to go through 
AC at some point.  There are DC/DC converters, and they're slightly more 
efficient, but only because they run their AC portions at a higher 
frequency than the 60 Hz that stuff that plugs into a standard outlet 
uses.  (A common example of this is a photo flash -- that whistle you 
hear when it's charging is a DC/DC converter that's changing the 3 or 6 
volts from your camera batteries into the 300+ volts needed by the flash 
tube.)




Re: [MBZ] Selling 1981 240D

2005-12-13 Thread Mike Canfield
A little interestMaybe more if it's close to NY and the price is right. 
What color?  More details or pics?  [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Mike
- Original Message - 
From: Jim Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 7:55 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Selling 1981 240D



 Well, cosidering selling if there is any interest.  About 160K miles,
doesn't start well in cold, runs and shifts OK, vacuum leak renders door
locks inoperative, minor body rough spots, may be worth restoring.  Any
interest?



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Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

2005-12-13 Thread Mike Canfield
Liquid electrical tape or heat shrink tubing make very nice water tight 
connections.


Mike
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Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics



Kris Gilmore wrote:


  Electrocution, BS.  Fixing  a break in a 120V AC cord is about
as far from rocket science as it gets.   And it is easy to test.


Fixing it is easy.  Fixing it so it'll be waterproof is harder.  If it's
not waterproof, it won't stay fixed for long.

That said, this is a three-prong cord, and I assume the ground prong is
bonded to the car chassis.  There shouldn't be any electrocution risk as
long as you plug it into a grounded outlet.


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Re: [MBZ] 350 sdl a/c clutch r/r

2005-12-13 Thread Harry Watkins
Constantine

I replaced mine on a 300 SDL.  I don't know if they are the same.  I
borrowed a removal and installation tool from Auto Zone that worked well.
IIRC, I had to buy a snap ring tool to remove one inside the shaft area,
PITA.

I think you can find out on line if Auto Zone has the loaner tool you need
and they may have a loaner snap ring tool.

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans

- Original Message - 
From: Constantine N. Polites [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 4:25 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 350 sdl a/c clutch r/r



 Has anyone removed and replaced the a/c clutch?  If so,
 do any of the MB procedures apply  (CD).?  If not
 any good pitfalls?

 Thanks,
 Constantine





Re: [MBZ] Selling 1981 240D

2005-12-13 Thread Sunil Hari
Auto or stick?

On 12/12/05, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A little interestMaybe more if it's close to NY and the price is
 right.
 What color?  More details or pics?  [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Mike
 - Original Message -
 From: Jim Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 7:55 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Selling 1981 240D


   Well, cosidering selling if there is any interest.  About 160K miles,
  doesn't start well in cold, runs and shifts OK, vacuum leak renders door
  locks inoperative, minor body rough spots, may be worth restoring.  Any
  interest?
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Selling 1981 240D

2005-12-13 Thread Bob Rentfro

Where are you, Jim?

Bob in Arizona


- Original Message - 
From: Jim Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 5:55 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Selling 1981 240D


 Well, cosidering selling if there is any interest.  About 160K miles, 
doesn't start well in cold, runs and shifts OK, vacuum leak renders door 
locks inoperative, minor body rough spots, may be worth restoring.  Any 
interest?




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Re: [MBZ] 1980 230t european wagon for sale

2005-12-13 Thread L . Mark Finch
Geez, I'm reluctant to do this for a number of reasons ... but I'll 
offer $100. Please don't be offended.


--mf



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Indianapolis
1982 300D Turbodiesel




Re: [MBZ] Buying a car in GA and registering it in OK:

2005-12-13 Thread OK Don
You'll also need the bill of sale for the amout to pay the excise tax
on in OK when you first register the car.


 The tag agency here in
 OK just needs the title, proof of insurance, the vehicle (so they can check
 the VIN) and, erm, money (for the new tags).
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Re: [MBZ] More block heater pyrotechnics

2005-12-13 Thread L . Mark Finch
I wasn't wondering what could be wrong. I was relating an anecdote. 
It was immediately obvious that a short-circuit had occurred. But 
you're right, matters electrical were not on my radar until that very 
moment.


--mf


On Dec 12, 2005, at 8:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have to think that applying power to a heater that I've never used 
and
then wondering what could be wrong when sparks fly from under the 
front of the
car might reveal that matters electrical are not at the very top of 
the owner's

interest areas.


_
L. Mark Finch
Indianapolis
1982 300D Turbodiesel




Re: [MBZ] Buying a car in GA and registering it in OK:

2005-12-13 Thread Tom Reynolds
I called the Sand Springs tag agency and they told me the registration
amount is going to be $44.50 or $45.50, something like that.  Excise tax is
separate?
Thanks,
Tom

At 07:53 PM 12/12/2005 -0600, you wrote:
Content-Disposition: inline

You'll also need the bill of sale for the amout to pay the excise tax
on in OK when you first register the car.


 The tag agency here in
 OK just needs the title, proof of insurance, the vehicle (so they can check
 the VIN) and, erm, money (for the new tags).
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Re: [MBZ] Buying a car in GA and registering it in OK:

2005-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
yes, its based on the actual purchase price.  The catch is they have a 
min amount which is usually way high.


Tom Reynolds wrote:


I called the Sand Springs tag agency and they told me the registration
amount is going to be $44.50 or $45.50, something like that.  Excise tax is
separate?
Thanks,
Tom

At 07:53 PM 12/12/2005 -0600, you wrote:


Content-Disposition: inline

You'll also need the bill of sale for the amout to pay the excise tax
on in OK when you first register the car.




The tag agency here in
OK just needs the title, proof of insurance, the vehicle (so they can check
the VIN) and, erm, money (for the new tags).


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Re: [MBZ] Buying a car in GA and registering it in OK:

2005-12-13 Thread OK Don
Yup - it sure is.  Just paid for both when I registered the '90 300D
2.5 last month.
Here's the list from the receipts:

Title fee
Excise tax
Insurance fee
Mail fee
Notary fee (yes - the tile was notarized before I walked in)
Inspection fee
Registration fee
Waste tire fee

Most of these are between $1 and $5, but the excise tax was $118 !!


On 12/12/05, Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I called the Sand Springs tag agency and they told me the registration
 amount is going to be $44.50 or $45.50, something like that.  Excise tax is
 separate?
 Thanks,
 Tom

 At 07:53 PM 12/12/2005 -0600, you wrote:
 Content-Disposition: inline
 
 You'll also need the bill of sale for the amout to pay the excise tax
 on in OK when you first register the car.
 
 
  The tag agency here in
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  the VIN) and, erm, money (for the new tags).
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Re: [MBZ] Buying a car in GA and registering it in OK:

2005-12-13 Thread OK Don
Yup - it sure is.  Just paid for both when I registered the '90 300D
2.5 last month.
Here's the list from the reciepts:

Title fee
Excise tax
Insurance fee
Mail fee
notary fee

On 12/12/05, Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I called the Sand Springs tag agency and they told me the registration
 amount is going to be $44.50 or $45.50, something like that.  Excise tax is
 separate?
 Thanks,
 Tom

 At 07:53 PM 12/12/2005 -0600, you wrote:
 Content-Disposition: inline
 
 You'll also need the bill of sale for the amout to pay the excise tax
 on in OK when you first register the car.
 
 
  The tag agency here in
  OK just needs the title, proof of insurance, the vehicle (so they can check
  the VIN) and, erm, money (for the new tags).
 --
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Re: [MBZ] Buying a car in GA and registering it in OK:

2005-12-13 Thread Tom Reynolds
Well, if I have it on the Bill of Sale that the purchase price is $4000,
they'll have to base it on that.  Right?  Sounds like I have to go to the
tag agency tomorrow and ask a couple questions, one for the car I'm buying,
and one for the car you're buying.  The link you provided, Kaleb, was one
they told me I could do if I wanted for a fee of $10, I just want to find
out the right way to do it from the horse's mouth, like I did from the
Georgia Department of Revenue.  That way nothing comes back to bite me in
the ass.  I'll email you what they say so we'll know exactly what to do
Wednesday morning.
  
Best,
Tom

At 08:10 PM 12/12/2005 -0600, you wrote:

yes, its based on the actual purchase price.  The catch is they have a 
min amount which is usually way high.

Tom Reynolds wrote:

 I called the Sand Springs tag agency and they told me the registration
 amount is going to be $44.50 or $45.50, something like that.  Excise tax is
 separate?
 Thanks,
 Tom
 
 At 07:53 PM 12/12/2005 -0600, you wrote:
 
Content-Disposition: inline

You'll also need the bill of sale for the amout to pay the excise tax
on in OK when you first register the car.



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OK just needs the title, proof of insurance, the vehicle (so they can
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the VIN) and, erm, money (for the new tags).

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Re: [MBZ] Buying a car in GA and registering it in OK:

2005-12-13 Thread Tom Reynolds
What was the purchase price of the vehicle you registered?  Do they take
plastic?
thanks,
Tom

At 08:13 PM 12/12/2005 -0600, you wrote:
Content-Disposition: inline

Yup - it sure is.  Just paid for both when I registered the '90 300D
2.5 last month.
Here's the list from the receipts:

Title fee
Excise tax
Insurance fee
Mail fee
Notary fee (yes - the tile was notarized before I walked in)
Inspection fee
Registration fee
Waste tire fee

Most of these are between $1 and $5, but the excise tax was $118 !!


On 12/12/05, Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I called the Sand Springs tag agency and they told me the registration
 amount is going to be $44.50 or $45.50, something like that.  Excise tax is
 separate?
 Thanks,
 Tom

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 Content-Disposition: inline
 
 You'll also need the bill of sale for the amout to pay the excise tax
 on in OK when you first register the car.
 
 
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  OK just needs the title, proof of insurance, the vehicle (so they can
check
  the VIN) and, erm, money (for the new tags).
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Re: [MBZ] Buying a car in GA and registering it in OK:

2005-12-13 Thread OK Don
$4500, and only Discover, and they charge a fee for using it. A check
is the best way --

On 12/12/05, Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What was the purchase price of the vehicle you registered?  Do they take
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 thanks,
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[MBZ] Odometer Noise. Lube?

2005-12-13 Thread Scott Ritchey
The odo on my 300SD died.  Inspection revealed the gears were gone, as many
others have experienced.  Replaced the gears as discussed on this list.  It
works now but I have a speed dependent click/wherr noise.  I think there is
a sort of stepper motor that drives the odometer gears in this electronic
speedometer.

Question:  Is there supposed to be some kind of lubricant in the odo gears
to keep them quiet?

Thanks.

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Kittrell NC
1982 300SD 220K
1979 300TD 350K
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Re: [MBZ] Buying a car in GA and registering it in OK:

2005-12-13 Thread Tom Reynolds
So, they charged you, what, $118 excise tax on a $4500 purchase price,
that's 2.6%.  So, for me that should equate to $104.00.  I wonder where all
that money goes?  Doubt it's for new roads, 51st Street is a mess...
Best regards, and thanks for the tips,
Tom

At 08:37 PM 12/12/2005 -0600, you wrote:
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$4500, and only Discover, and they charge a fee for using it. A check
is the best way --

On 12/12/05, Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What was the purchase price of the vehicle you registered?  Do they take
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 thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] Buying a car in GA and registering it in OK:

2005-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
No, doesnt matter what your bill of sale says, whatever the amount they 
determin for minimum is what the charge you on.  I always just tell them 
I paid $500 or $1000, or whatever, that way it for sure hits the lowest 
amount.  You dont have to give them a bill of sale, all they want is the 
title.  If you buy a car from a state that doesnt issue titles on old 
cars(like georga) then you can get an OK title with just the bill of 
sale.  As for the link I sent you off list, you dont even have to do 
that unless you are just dying to give the state $10.


Tom Reynolds wrote:


Well, if I have it on the Bill of Sale that the purchase price is $4000,
they'll have to base it on that.  Right?  Sounds like I have to go to the
tag agency tomorrow and ask a couple questions, one for the car I'm buying,
and one for the car you're buying.  The link you provided, Kaleb, was one
they told me I could do if I wanted for a fee of $10, I just want to find
out the right way to do it from the horse's mouth, like I did from the
Georgia Department of Revenue.  That way nothing comes back to bite me in
the ass.  I'll email you what they say so we'll know exactly what to do
Wednesday morning.
  
Best,

Tom

At 08:10 PM 12/12/2005 -0600, you wrote:

yes, its based on the actual purchase price.  The catch is they have a 
min amount which is usually way high.


Tom Reynolds wrote:



I called the Sand Springs tag agency and they told me the registration
amount is going to be $44.50 or $45.50, something like that.  Excise tax is
separate?
Thanks,
Tom

At 07:53 PM 12/12/2005 -0600, you wrote:



Content-Disposition: inline

You'll also need the bill of sale for the amout to pay the excise tax
on in OK when you first register the car.





The tag agency here in
OK just needs the title, proof of insurance, the vehicle (so they can


check


the VIN) and, erm, money (for the new tags).


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Re: [MBZ] Buying a car in GA and registering it in OK:

2005-12-13 Thread OK Don
Perhaps my mistake was having the bill of sale in hand, lying on the
counter, so she read it instead of asking how much I paid --

On 12/12/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No, doesnt matter what your bill of sale says, whatever the amount they
 determin for minimum is what the charge you on.  I always just tell them
 I paid $500 or $1000, or whatever, that way it for sure hits the lowest
 amount.
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[MBZ] Arctic Q

2005-12-13 Thread wilton strickland
Re. charging 24v scooter bat.  I also considered separating the 2 12v bats
and charging them directly, but that requires disassembly of bat pack, etc.,
a tough job with my shaky hands, even tougher to do it repeatedly.  I need
to just plug and play.

Found a device at Radio Sack that produces 27v DC from 12 v DC; need to
change output jack to fit scooter bat recept.  'Still considering this.

'Think I'd rather use the battery maker's charger thus far, though.  That
needs 120v  AC - the easiest for me to do alone.  (Electrons are electrons,
though, and bat doesn't care where it gets 'em as long as it doesn't get too
many too fast and can stop 'em after it gets enough.)

BTW, some smaller inverters do plug into lighter socket.

Wilton




Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

2005-12-13 Thread Loren Faeth
Naa, just a tickle.  !20V  grounded through a person to the Mississippi 
river will get said person's attention, but it is not generally fatal.  I 
knew a guy who ran a hardware store.  He kept a cord with bare wires.  He 
would hold one wire in each hand to show people it is only a tickle.  He 
would regularly challenge disbelievers to take the wires in their bare hands.




Boy oh boy, is this bum advice. The cost of that cord is inconsequential.
From the description it's clear that the insulation has worn through 
after all

those years and patching it together to save pennies is nuts. Suppose you
plugged it in and suddenly you have 120V AC standing on the car's chassis, 
just

waiting for someone to touch it. Can you spell electrocution?

RLE





[MBZ] Email to OK tag agency for official word from horse's mouth

2005-12-13 Thread Tom Reynolds
Well, I just emailed the Prattville tag agency, we'll see what the official
word is.  When (if) I get a reply I'll post it here for all to see.  Here's
the email I sent:

Hi Berta,
Car number 1, a total loss 1988 Mercedes-Benz 300E.  I'm going to
sell it for parts to a guy who lives in Claremore and is coming over to my
house Wednesday morning to pick it up.  I have the original Oklahoma title.
 I suppose at some point I would receive a salvage title from the insurance
company (AIG) who declared it a total loss and issued me a check for it?
What's the best way for me to sell the car to the guy from Claremore?  
Car number 2 is also a 1988 Mercedes-Benz 300E.  The car I'm
buying is from Georgia.  I'm picking it up Saturday and will most likely
bring it to the tag agency on Monday.  
In order for me to register this car is all that I have to do is
bring the car's title, the car, and some form of payment?  Can you tell me
what it will cost to register the car in Oklahoma?  There's no lien on it
or anything.

Thanks very much for your help, I need an answer before Wednesday so I'll
know what to do about the parts car I'm selling on Wednesday morning.

Tom Reynolds
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Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

2005-12-13 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:36:42 -0500 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Or, if the scooter battery is 12v lead acid, you could skip the
 inverter/charger and hook the scooter battery to the car, maybe
 with a trailer connector in the trunk.

But if the scooter has a sealed, gell-cell type lead acid, the charging
voltage will be different than that for the battery under the hood.


Craig



[MBZ] 350 sdl a/c clutch r/r

2005-12-13 Thread Constantine N. Polites

Thanks all for your imput.
If time permits I'll photograph the process and post it, together with 
the tools.

Regards,
Constantine



Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

2005-12-13 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:19:47 -0600 Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Naa, just a tickle.  !20V  grounded through a person to the Mississippi 
 river will get said person's attention, but it is not generally fatal. 
 I knew a guy who ran a hardware store.  He kept a cord with bare wires.
 He would hold one wire in each hand to show people it is only a tickle. 
 He would regularly challenge disbelievers to take the wires in their
 bare hands.

That fellow with the hardware store was very foolish and very fortunate to
be alive. That trick will work ONLY with VERY DRY and VERY CLEAN hands.
The slightest amount of moisture on his hands and he would have been a
goner.

Your statement about the person in the Mississippi is also very wrong.

It only takes 0.01 ampere through your heart to cause it to go into
fibrilation. Without timely, competent medical treatment, you WILL DIE.
Please DO NOT play around with electricity -- it can be very dangerous.

And I say this not as someone who is afraid of electricity, but as one who
has been an electrical engineer in industry and now a physicist for over
30 years.


Craig



[MBZ] lube of door hinges

2005-12-13 Thread Anthony Galioto
Can anyone tell me how to grease the door hinges on a  '83-240D?  There
looks like there is a place for a grease fitting on the hinge, but no
fitting.
Anthony

83 240D 63000mi


Re: [MBZ] Odometer Noise. Lube?

2005-12-13 Thread Luther Gulseth
I had the same problem in my '83.  I used the sunroof lube that Rusty so  
kindly sent me.  Works wonders!


On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:22:39 -0600, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:


The odo on my 300SD died.  Inspection revealed the gears were gone, as  
many
others have experienced.  Replaced the gears as discussed on this list.   
It
works now but I have a speed dependent click/wherr noise.  I think there  
is

a sort of stepper motor that drives the odometer gears in this electronic
speedometer.

Question:  Is there supposed to be some kind of lubricant in the odo  
gears

to keep them quiet?

Thanks.

Scott Ritchey
Kittrell NC
1982 300SD 220K
1979 300TD 350K





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Re: [MBZ] Buying a car in GA and registering it in OK:

2005-12-13 Thread Jim Cathey
Well, if I have it on the Bill of Sale that the purchase price is 
$4000,
they'll have to base it on that.  Right?  Sounds like I have to go to 
the


Oh, if it were only so.  The State needn't choose to treat a BOS as
a legal document, and can look up its own Blue Book value and use
that, if the sale price is too low.  That's what WA does, and paying
sales tax on a $2500 car that you bought for $400 is galling, to say
the least.  I ended up having to get the clunker 'appraised' at the
local MB dealership, where a helpful salesman wrote (on letterhead)
that they'd only give me $500 for the heap.  (This was the Chicken
Wagon, btw.)  They accepted that figure, and taxed me accordingly.

I found out later that they have an equivalent legal document to
the bill of sale, the name of which escapes me, that I could have
filled out with the seller.  Got to have one with you, of course,
or arrange for it later.

Obviously they've rigged the system for maximum income, figuring that
relatively few 'donors' will take the extra trouble to avoid the
unjustified tax.

Of course, _your_ State may be different!

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

2005-12-13 Thread Loren Faeth
Gee!  I must have been dead for 37 years and never noticed!One hand on 
the galvanized tin on the boathouse, where a wire was in contact with the 
tin when the light was on.  I didn't measure amps, but It did get my 
attention.


Can I collect back social security death benefits?  Might be enough to buy 
a Kleb car!


At 10:05 PM 12/12/2005, you wrote:

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:19:47 -0600 Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Naa, just a tickle.  !20V  grounded through a person to the Mississippi
 river will get said person's attention, but it is not generally fatal.
 I knew a guy who ran a hardware store.  He kept a cord with bare wires.
 He would hold one wire in each hand to show people it is only a tickle.
 He would regularly challenge disbelievers to take the wires in their
 bare hands.

That fellow with the hardware store was very foolish and very fortunate to
be alive. That trick will work ONLY with VERY DRY and VERY CLEAN hands.
The slightest amount of moisture on his hands and he would have been a
goner.

Your statement about the person in the Mississippi is also very wrong.

It only takes 0.01 ampere through your heart to cause it to go into
fibrilation. Without timely, competent medical treatment, you WILL DIE.
Please DO NOT play around with electricity -- it can be very dangerous.

And I say this not as someone who is afraid of electricity, but as one who
has been an electrical engineer in industry and now a physicist for over
30 years.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] lube of door hinges

2005-12-13 Thread Loren Faeth
go to a lawn  garden store and buy the little grease gun for chain saw 
bars.  They come with a tip that fits the door hinges.  You can also snap 
the fitting into a regular grease gun.  That's what I do, but I store the 
fitting back in the little chainsaw gun so it doesn't get lost.


At 10:38 PM 12/12/2005, you wrote:

Can anyone tell me how to grease the door hinges on a  '83-240D?  There
looks like there is a place for a grease fitting on the hinge, but no
fitting.
Anthony

83 240D 63000mi
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Re: [MBZ] Odometer Noise. Lube?

2005-12-13 Thread Scott Ritchey

Luther: Thanks for the tip. I'll try it as soon as I find my sunroof lube.
Things are still a bit disorganized after moving.

Scott


I had the same problem in my '83.  I used the sunroof lube that Rusty so
kindly sent me.  Works wonders!

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:22:39 -0600, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 The odo on my 300SD died.  Inspection revealed the gears were gone, as
 many
 others have experienced.  Replaced the gears as discussed on this list.
 It
 works now but I have a speed dependent click/wherr noise.  I think there
 is
 a sort of stepper motor that drives the odometer gears in this electronic
 speedometer.

 Question:  Is there supposed to be some kind of lubricant in the odo
 gears
 to keep them quiet?

 Thanks.

 Scott Ritchey
 Kittrell NC
 1982 300SD 220K
 1979 300TD 350K






Re: [MBZ] lube of door hinges

2005-12-13 Thread Jim Cathey

Can anyone tell me how to grease the door hinges on a  '83-240D?  There
looks like there is a place for a grease fitting on the hinge, but no
fitting.


There's a non-zerk attachment for grease guns that looks like a framing
nail point with a small hole in it.  That's what you jam into that hole
that's in the hinge.  Then pump.  Took me awhile to find mine, but I
think it was off the specialty tool rack at a mcparts store of some 
sort.


-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

2005-12-13 Thread Jim Cathey

But if the scooter has a sealed, gell-cell type lead acid, the charging
voltage will be different than that for the battery under the hood.


Perhaps not if you're using an Optima battery.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

2005-12-13 Thread Jim Cathey

Naa, just a tickle.  !20V  grounded through a person to the Mississippi
river will get said person's attention, but it is not generally fatal. 
 I
knew a guy who ran a hardware store.  He kept a cord with bare wires.  
He
would hold one wire in each hand to show people it is only a tickle.  
He
would regularly challenge disbelievers to take the wires in their bare 
hands.


Not I!  I notice 120V more than that, for sure.  Just this weekend I was
careless while diagnosing our downstairs cooking range, and managed to
run a little 120 through myself.  Did not enjoy it, no.  (Yes, I know
you're supposed to kill the power before grabbing a screwdriver, but I
was trying to find out why it didn't seem to be getting power.  Well, 
it was.

On one leg.)  I generally don't screw around with this stuff, but it's
not rocket science either.  A repair job on a power cord is just about
the simplest job there is, but that doesn't mean it's for everyone.

But, extending our abilities is a large part of what this list is about.

-- Jim




[MBZ] Flood car database

2005-12-13 Thread David Brodbeck
Just a heads up -- the National Insurance Crime Bureau has a database
online where you can check VINs against their database of cars that were
damaged in hurricanes Katrina, Rita and Wilma.  It's on their website at
http://www.nicb.org.  With the number of cars that were damaged,
especially in New Orleans, there are going to be a lot of con men
selling flood cars at attractive prices.



Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

2005-12-13 Thread Jim Cathey
Re. charging 24v scooter bat.  I also considered separating the 2 12v 
bats
and charging them directly, but that requires disassembly of bat pack, 
etc.,
a tough job with my shaky hands, even tougher to do it repeatedly.  I 
need

to just plug and play.


One disassembly.  You could perhaps put a connector and/or switch in 
place
to ease the process thereafter.  But by far the simplest approach (and 
most

expensive) is to buy an inverter and just feed it ersatz wall juice.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] More block heater pyrotechnics

2005-12-13 Thread Jim Cathey
How much can a five foot power cord cost? Is this a $50 car? Maybe I 
missed
that. The block heater cord in my '78 300D was just a plain old cord 
with

perhaps an unique plug at the engine end. And I used it for years.


IIRC, the cord is about $25, or maybe it was $15.  The entire heater
(with cord) is $45 or so.  The car, unless I misremember, was a $150
special.

I have to think that applying power to a heater that I've never used 
and
then wondering what could be wrong when sparks fly from under the 
front of the
car might reveal that matters electrical are not at the very top of 
the owner's interest areas.


People here are generally interested in extending their interest areas.
Most of the advice you get here will assume that.  But one is free to
disregard it if they don't feel competent to make the attempt.

Of course not and this has no relation to our discussion. I repeat, 
any risk
of applying commercial 120V to an ungrounded sometimes wet metal mass 
(the

car) is an invitation to disaster.


The car _is_ grounded, through the heater's plug.  And after a repair
cycle this should indeed have been verified before juice was applied.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Flood car database

2005-12-13 Thread LT Don
Kaleb will buy 10% of them for $500.

On 12/13/05, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just a heads up -- the National Insurance Crime Bureau has a database
 online where you can check VINs against their database of cars that were
 damaged in hurricanes Katrina, Rita and Wilma.  It's on their website at
 http://www.nicb.org.  With the number of cars that were damaged,
 especially in New Orleans, there are going to be a lot of con men
 selling flood cars at attractive prices.

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Re: [MBZ] More block heater pyrotechnics

2005-12-13 Thread LT Don
If I remember correctly, aren't you an engineer?  Wasn't that an electrical
engineer?

I don't often remember correctly.

There are some of us (me included -- even though I don't refer to my 240D as
a Chicken Wagon) -- who are seeing what we can drive on the cheap. For the
record, my own block heater cord crapped out with a short at the plug. I
chopped it off and put on a hardware store special end. But (and this is the
important part) I tie-wrapped it to the body in such a way that it wouldn't
catch any water drips. And I run an outdoor-rated three foot section of
extension cord from that plug to the outside the car part.

By the way, I was an avionics electronics technician during my first six
years of Coast Guard service. I've been zapped with five digit DC while
working on a radar, so have no fear of 120v AC. :-)

Please don't assume that we are idiots. Any of us brave enough to start
splicing 120v cable (or so I'd hope) know what we are doing. We might be
working with duct tape (although I have converted to Gorilla Tape now) but
we aren't amateurs.

Don't ask me, however, about the time I decided to strip telephone cable
with my teeth when I lived in NYC ... and someone called in while my tongue
was on the ring piece of copper. THAT left a mark (when I fell off the
ladder and hit the floor).



On 12/13/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I posted in re: repairing vs replacing a rotted out block heater power
 cord:

 Boy oh boy, is this bum advice. The cost of that cord is inconsequential.

 The cost is not huge, no.� (Though it is a significant percentage of the
 cost of that car.)

 How much can a five foot power cord cost? Is this a $50 car? Maybe I
 missed
 that. The block heater cord in my '78 300D was just a plain old cord with
 perhaps an unique plug at the engine end. And I used it for years.

 Advice traded here is among competent adults who are assumed capable of
 evaluating
 their own abilities and acting accordingly. Not children.

 I have to think that applying power to a heater that I've never used and
 then wondering what could be wrong when sparks fly from under the front of
 the
 car might reveal that matters electrical are not at the very top of the
 owner's
 interest areas.

 Do you think that I was crazy to have replaced the three stranded
 10ga wires in my home furnace that had oxidized, overheated,
 and burned out.� Total cost: nil, I had a roll of suitable wire.
 Should I have ordered a new furnace instead?� How do I know that
 it won't explode instantly when it's turned on, the old furnace at
 least has proven itself to be safe and reliable over 30 years..

 Of course not and this has no relation to our discussion. I repeat, any
 risk
 of applying commercial 120V to an ungrounded sometimes wet metal mass (the
 car) is an invitation to disaster.

 RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

2005-12-13 Thread LT Don
I smell the need for an APU.

On 12/13/05, wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Re. charging 24v scooter bat.  I also considered separating the 2 12v bats
 and charging them directly, but that requires disassembly of bat pack,
 etc.,
 a tough job with my shaky hands, even tougher to do it repeatedly.  I need
 to just plug and play.

 Found a device at Radio Sack that produces 27v DC from 12 v DC; need to
 change output jack to fit scooter bat recept.  'Still considering this.

 'Think I'd rather use the battery maker's charger thus far, though.  That
 needs 120v  AC - the easiest for me to do alone.  (Electrons are
 electrons,
 though, and bat doesn't care where it gets 'em as long as it doesn't get
 too
 many too fast and can stop 'em after it gets enough.)

 BTW, some smaller inverters do plug into lighter socket.

 Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] Cleaning tools

2005-12-13 Thread Peter Frederick
Watch for methylene chloride or trichloroethylene in spray cleaners.  
Used to be present in carb cleaner, but not any more -- these will melt 
most plastics and damage some rubber components.


The alcohol/ether cleaners are usually plastic safe, but be careful.

I hate it when my knife sticks to my hands!  I've done the same thing 
(tetrahydrofuran in my case, dissolved some of my knife, thought I had 
cut myself pretty bad).


Peter




[MBZ] Tired of Argueing

2005-12-13 Thread redghost
The Queen of Denial has finally gone beyond my ability to deal with.  
Well, she is fine, she just should have Cleo taken from her.


Been complaining to me about odd dummy lights and strange things.  Ran 
around finding which light could be out, and I think I finally got it.  
Replace ALL the damn lights so that I dealt with intermittent issues.


Then she decides there must be a bulb out in the dash.  Idiot light for 
the glow is not being right.


Me - Well, can you explain it better, please?

QoD - Uh, it sort of does not come on, then it does after I start.

Me - Ok, then what?

QoD - The car does not run well.

Me - I suspect it is a glow issue

QoD - The bulb is burning out, the car runs, so it can't be the glow 
plug.  I think it is a fuse


Me - It is not a fuse. Marshall tells everyone to do fuses, but this 
is a glow plug.  If one or more are out on a cold morning,  you car 
will start, you know that right?


QoD - No, my glow plug starts the car, it just runs sort of lumpy.  I 
know it must be a fuse to the dash lights


Me - I think I will read the 124 Bible and get back to you on this 
dear, in the meantime call the dealer and schedule a visit, because 
this is going to be more than I can deal with this weekend and I would 
like their opinion.  Just explain it to them so they can ask you the 
right questions


 QoD - Can you call them? I am really busy

Me - I have no idea what you have happen and you drive the car and 
start from cold, I am not going to be able to tell them anything


More discussion ensues over what it could be and who should handle the 
service guy brain picking.  I decide to just check the book after 
telling her it would be like thousands of $$$ because she has developed 
a leak in the framjimnaster that a proper spec glow plug would 
resolve.  Come up with preglow relay failure, GP #1 dead or two or more 
GP failing in a 606 engine.


Tell her to schedule shop time because both of us are too busy to have 
me work on the car this week or next.   I checked prices for parts from 
Rusty and amount of knuckle busting and hand wringing I would expend.  
Again advise she call the dealer.


Next day while she is driving to work, I get a call

Me - So, when is the car going in?

QoD - I am too busy right now!  The lumping is getting worse.  The 
light comes on AFTER I start now and stays on for a minute or 
something!  I think it is the bulb that the fuse is connected to


Me - Just get the shop to check and fix it, they have the parts

QoD - Why can't you fix the bulb?  You finally made that other idiot 
light go off


Me - That was a light, this is a glow plug

QoD - But this is a light too!  It is yellow like the other one

Me - Glow plugs are not lights, and I think from what I read it is the 
relay as well as glow plugs, so while they are in there, they can fix 
it.  You are going to want good glow plugs this winter when it gets 
really cold


QoD - OMG!  There is a blue idiot light on now!  What do I do?  What is 
that?


Me - Move the turn stalk back and forth, that should fix it

QoD - Ok  Wow, that did it.  What went wrong?

Me - I bet it was the fuse to the Gurkenmeister, those will blow 
when the glow plugs are not getting enough signal from the relay.  All 
you have to do is jiggle the stalk and that will wear away some nano 
particles and it works again.  You better get the car in the shop 
before the Gurkenmeister really dies


It devolves into who is going to call the shop.  The car is not going 
until she kills it and it will no longer start on a cold morning, 
having worn out the battery.



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Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz




Re: [MBZ] Hamdan and the Amazing Technicolor 126

2005-12-13 Thread redghost

Gaydar is going off!!!

Must be Mustafa with his Rainbow brigade at the Pride March


On Monday, December 12, 2005, at 07:47 AM, tom savage wrote:


http://f27.parsimony.net/forum66434/messages/21676.htm

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Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-13 Thread redghost
Sumas is not right close or simple to get to from major roads.  It is  
the truck route about 15 miles off I-5 to the east. Country lanes from  
I-5 until you get meander to the border.  It is a tiny town out in the  
boonies with good connections to Canadian roads.  East of the Rockies  
would be well served to enter that way and head west on the Trans  
Canada or Canada Hwy 1 IIRC.


On Monday, December 12, 2005, at 11:30 AM, Christopher McCann wrote:

In principle, it would be nice to meet up as soon  as possible. At the  
same time, we want to keep backtracking to a  minimum. Bob will be  
heading straight north...don't know if anyone west  of Bob plans on  
coming.


  I've got two ideas:

  1. Sumas, WA (north of Seattle): Here is the link for the route from  
Sumas to Deadhorse:
   
http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/directions/ 
dirGetDirections.jsp?BV_SessionID=1556161185.1134415227BV_Engi 
neID=addghfdejljcefecggfdffhdgif.0cmty=0


  2. Sweet Grass, MT: this would have Easterners bypassing the Rockies  
 entirely and hwy 15 is a straight shot for Bob. According to my map,   
these first roads through Canada are not as scenic as the above route:
   
http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/directions/ 
dirGetDirections.jsp?BV_SessionID=1556161185.1134415227BV_Engi 
neID=addghfdejljcefecggfdffhdgif.0cmty=0


  Both of these towns are right on the border. Both work fine. Perhaps  
 there are other ideas of where we might rendezvous sooner in the US.


  Of course, if two cars are coming from, say, Missouri, those two  
would caravan together to the main rendezvous point, etc.


  If there are Canadians wanting to come, we need a Canada rendezvous  
point too.


  Thoughts, suggestions, feedback, better ideas?

  Thanks,

  Chris






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-1985 300SD, 210K, Wulf
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[MBZ] Former taxi?

2005-12-13 Thread tom savage

http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4595521056

Anyone ever seen a 123 interior like this?  I'm wondering if the meter 
went where the dummy vent panel is on the dash.  And the console...?


Tom,
Curieux



Re: [MBZ] Tired of Argueing

2005-12-13 Thread John M McIntosh


On 12-Dec-05, at 10:17 PM, redghost wrote:

QoD - OMG!  There is a blue idiot light on now!  What do I do?   
What is

that?

Me - Move the turn stalk back and forth, that should fix it

QoD - Ok  Wow, that did it.  What went wrong?


So last weekend I'm returning from the city via the highway at 3:00  
in the afternoon and oncoming is someone with their bright lights on,  
it's really really bright, great lights...
They zip past, I look, it's my wife in the 90's wagon with the e500  
beams on high! Since it's wired for both the inner and outer lamps  
for high, it's really bright.


Sigh, grab cell phone, hit auto-dial.

Dear I think I just passed you on the highway, is the blue light on  
the dash on?


yes?

Please turn the high beams off, people will like you better...

PS headlamps are on in Canada, so we automatically switch them on for  
the two cars that don't have DRL. Seem when she comes home at night  
the high beams are left
on because of the dark lane, then when you turn them on in the day,  
why they still are on high, but you don't really notice. Others do tho..



John

1983 300TDt  359k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990 300TDt  156k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
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Re: [MBZ] Buying a car in GA and registering it in OK:

2005-12-13 Thread redghost
WA sucks $$$ out your wallet.  I even had the eBay listing with winning 
bid price when I went to the DMV.  Right there it had $117.50.  What'd 
I get charged?  Tax on $1700, because unless it was in the junk yard, a 
Running 220D is worth at least $1700 here in WA!


On Monday, December 12, 2005, at 09:01 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


Well, if I have it on the Bill of Sale that the purchase price is
$4000,
they'll have to base it on that.  Right?  Sounds like I have to go to
the


Oh, if it were only so.  The State needn't choose to treat a BOS as
a legal document, and can look up its own Blue Book value and use
that, if the sale price is too low.  That's what WA does, and paying
sales tax on a $2500 car that you bought for $400 is galling, to say
the least.  I ended up having to get the clunker 'appraised' at the
local MB dealership, where a helpful salesman wrote (on letterhead)
that they'd only give me $500 for the heap.  (This was the Chicken
Wagon, btw.)  They accepted that figure, and taxed me accordingly.

I found out later that they have an equivalent legal document to
the bill of sale, the name of which escapes me, that I could have
filled out with the seller.  Got to have one with you, of course,
or arrange for it later.

Obviously they've rigged the system for maximum income, figuring that
relatively few 'donors' will take the extra trouble to avoid the
unjustified tax.

Of course, _your_ State may be different!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Buying a car in GA and registering it in OK:

2005-12-13 Thread Robert Tara Ludwick
WA state was bad 20 years ago, I can only imagine how bad it is now. I 
was paying $165 a year for tags on a 30 year old pickup and $135 a year 
for a rusty 35 year old horse trailer.
I remember getting pulled over by the local gestapo the second day i was 
there. He puled me over for out of state tags and from his car ran my 
name past the utility company records and found that I had power in my 
name and promptly handed me an insane fine for not having my vehicle 
properly tagged in WA. Heck I hadn't even unloaded my furniture from the 
truck yet !


Robert


redghost wrote:
WA sucks $$$ out your wallet.  I even had the eBay listing with winning 
bid price when I went to the DMV.  Right there it had $117.50.  What'd 
I get charged?  Tax on $1700, because unless it was in the junk yard, a 
Running 220D is worth at least $1700 here in WA!


On Monday, December 12, 2005, at 09:01 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

  

Well, if I have it on the Bill of Sale that the purchase price is
$4000,
they'll have to base it on that.  Right?  Sounds like I have to go to
the
  

Oh, if it were only so.  The State needn't choose to treat a BOS as
a legal document, and can look up its own Blue Book value and use
that, if the sale price is too low.  That's what WA does, and paying
sales tax on a $2500 car that you bought for $400 is galling, to say
the least.  I ended up having to get the clunker 'appraised' at the
local MB dealership, where a helpful salesman wrote (on letterhead)
that they'd only give me $500 for the heap.  (This was the Chicken
Wagon, btw.)  They accepted that figure, and taxed me accordingly.

I found out later that they have an equivalent legal document to
the bill of sale, the name of which escapes me, that I could have
filled out with the seller.  Got to have one with you, of course,
or arrange for it later.

Obviously they've rigged the system for maximum income, figuring that
relatively few 'donors' will take the extra trouble to avoid the
unjustified tax.

Of course, _your_ State may be different!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Tired of Argueing

2005-12-13 Thread Tom Hargrave
Some spouses just don't share the same love for old Mercedes that we do and
no matter what you do, they will not be happy driving one.

That's why my Wife drives a new Jeep Grand Cherokee.

Thanks,
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Subject: [MBZ] Tired of Argueing


The Queen of Denial has finally gone beyond my ability to deal with.
Well, she is fine, she just should have Cleo taken from her.

Been complaining to me about odd dummy lights and strange things.  Ran
around finding which light could be out, and I think I finally got it.
Replace ALL the damn lights so that I dealt with intermittent issues.

Then she decides there must be a bulb out in the dash.  Idiot light for
the glow is not being right.

Me - Well, can you explain it better, please?

QoD - Uh, it sort of does not come on, then it does after I start.

Me - Ok, then what?

QoD - The car does not run well.

Me - I suspect it is a glow issue

QoD - The bulb is burning out, the car runs, so it can't be the glow
plug.  I think it is a fuse

Me - It is not a fuse. Marshall tells everyone to do fuses, but this
is a glow plug.  If one or more are out on a cold morning,  you car
will start, you know that right?

QoD - No, my glow plug starts the car, it just runs sort of lumpy.  I
know it must be a fuse to the dash lights

Me - I think I will read the 124 Bible and get back to you on this
dear, in the meantime call the dealer and schedule a visit, because
this is going to be more than I can deal with this weekend and I would
like their opinion.  Just explain it to them so they can ask you the
right questions

  QoD - Can you call them? I am really busy

Me - I have no idea what you have happen and you drive the car and
start from cold, I am not going to be able to tell them anything

More discussion ensues over what it could be and who should handle the
service guy brain picking.  I decide to just check the book after
telling her it would be like thousands of $$$ because she has developed
a leak in the framjimnaster that a proper spec glow plug would
resolve.  Come up with preglow relay failure, GP #1 dead or two or more
GP failing in a 606 engine.

Tell her to schedule shop time because both of us are too busy to have
me work on the car this week or next.   I checked prices for parts from
Rusty and amount of knuckle busting and hand wringing I would expend.
Again advise she call the dealer.

Next day while she is driving to work, I get a call

Me - So, when is the car going in?

QoD - I am too busy right now!  The lumping is getting worse.  The
light comes on AFTER I start now and stays on for a minute or
something!  I think it is the bulb that the fuse is connected to

Me - Just get the shop to check and fix it, they have the parts

QoD - Why can't you fix the bulb?  You finally made that other idiot
light go off

Me - That was a light, this is a glow plug

QoD - But this is a light too!  It is yellow like the other one

Me - Glow plugs are not lights, and I think from what I read it is the
relay as well as glow plugs, so while they are in there, they can fix
it.  You are going to want good glow plugs this winter when it gets
really cold

QoD - OMG!  There is a blue idiot light on now!  What do I do?  What is
that?

Me - Move the turn stalk back and forth, that should fix it

QoD - Ok  Wow, that did it.  What went wrong?

Me - I bet it was the fuse to the Gurkenmeister, those will blow
when the glow plugs are not getting enough signal from the relay.  All
you have to do is jiggle the stalk and that will wear away some nano
particles and it works again.  You better get the car in the shop
before the Gurkenmeister really dies

It devolves into who is going to call the shop.  The car is not going
until she kills it and it will no longer start on a cold morning,
having worn out the battery.


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Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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[MBZ] Oklahoma's rules for excise tax on vehicles

2005-12-13 Thread Tom Reynolds
Got this from the site at http://www.oktax.state.ok.us/excise.html
It does state that vehicle condition is not relevant, they take an average
valuation without considering condition.  Having said that, this blurb is
basically what we've been discussing.  I know Arizona used NADA values, OK
doesn't say *where* they get their values from (what source or sources).


Standard vehicle excise tax is assessed as follows: 

New Vehicle: 3.25% of the purchase price (or taxable value, if different) 
Used Vehicle: $20.00 on the 1st $1250.00 of value + 3.25% of the remainder*  
*  Effective July 1, 2002, the excise tax will be assessed at $20.00 on the
1st $1500.00 of value + 3.25% of the remainder)

So, using my soon to be purchased 300E, I key in the zip code for Sand
Springs, the vehicle type, make, year, model and trim, and, voila!  NADA
says that the value of my used car is $3775.00 average retail.  Going by
the formula above, (hey, it's 6 A.M., I'm drinking some coffee, and the
most exciting thing I'll probably be doing today is playing frisbee with
one of the dogs...) we get $20 on the first $1500 (leaving a balance of
$2275.) which we then tax at 3.25% = $73.94 for a total of $93.74.  If
that's what they use for their value.  If not, well, back to square one, I
guess.
More later, and everyone have a great day~
Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Buying a car in GA and registering it in OK:

2005-12-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Tom Reynolds wrote:
 
 So, they charged you, what, $118 excise tax on a $4500 purchase price,
 that's 2.6%. 

In Michigan, they would have charged me 6% sales tax/use tax. 
I'll pay as much for the $2300 190E as he paid for the 300D 2.5.



Re: [MBZ] Tired of Argueing

2005-12-13 Thread Lee Levitt
Clay,

You should invest in a roll of Click  Clack Tappet Brothers Light
Extinguisher. Guaranteed to take care of any idiot light...

Lee 

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of redghost
 Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 1:18 AM
 To: Mercedes list
 Subject: [MBZ] Tired of Argueing
 
 The Queen of Denial has finally gone beyond my ability to deal with.  
 Well, she is fine, she just should have Cleo taken from her.
 
 Been complaining to me about odd dummy lights and strange 
 things.  Ran around finding which light could be out, and I 
 think I finally got it.  
 Replace ALL the damn lights so that I dealt with intermittent issues.
 
 Then she decides there must be a bulb out in the dash.  Idiot 
 light for the glow is not being right.
 
 Me - Well, can you explain it better, please?
 
 QoD - Uh, it sort of does not come on, then it does after I start.
 
 Me - Ok, then what?
 
 QoD - The car does not run well.
 
 Me - I suspect it is a glow issue
 
 QoD - The bulb is burning out, the car runs, so it can't be 
 the glow plug.  I think it is a fuse
 
 Me - It is not a fuse. Marshall tells everyone to do fuses, 
 but this is a glow plug.  If one or more are out on a cold 
 morning,  you car will start, you know that right?
 
 QoD - No, my glow plug starts the car, it just runs sort of 
 lumpy.  I know it must be a fuse to the dash lights
 
 Me - I think I will read the 124 Bible and get back to you 
 on this dear, in the meantime call the dealer and schedule a 
 visit, because this is going to be more than I can deal with 
 this weekend and I would like their opinion.  Just explain it 
 to them so they can ask you the right questions
 
   QoD - Can you call them? I am really busy
 
 Me - I have no idea what you have happen and you drive the 
 car and start from cold, I am not going to be able to tell 
 them anything
 
 More discussion ensues over what it could be and who should 
 handle the service guy brain picking.  I decide to just check 
 the book after telling her it would be like thousands of $$$ 
 because she has developed a leak in the framjimnaster that 
 a proper spec glow plug would resolve.  Come up with preglow 
 relay failure, GP #1 dead or two or more GP failing in a 606 engine.
 
 Tell her to schedule shop time because both of us are too 
 busy to have 
 me work on the car this week or next.   I checked prices for 
 parts from 
 Rusty and amount of knuckle busting and hand wringing I would 
 expend.  
 Again advise she call the dealer.
 
 Next day while she is driving to work, I get a call
 
 Me - So, when is the car going in?
 
 QoD - I am too busy right now!  The lumping is getting 
 worse.  The light comes on AFTER I start now and stays on for 
 a minute or something!  I think it is the bulb that the fuse 
 is connected to
 
 Me - Just get the shop to check and fix it, they have the parts
 
 QoD - Why can't you fix the bulb?  You finally made that 
 other idiot light go off
 
 Me - That was a light, this is a glow plug
 
 QoD - But this is a light too!  It is yellow like the other one
 
 Me - Glow plugs are not lights, and I think from what I read 
 it is the relay as well as glow plugs, so while they are in 
 there, they can fix it.  You are going to want good glow 
 plugs this winter when it gets really cold
 
 QoD - OMG!  There is a blue idiot light on now!  What do I 
 do?  What is that?
 
 Me - Move the turn stalk back and forth, that should fix it
 
 QoD - Ok  Wow, that did it.  What went wrong?
 
 Me - I bet it was the fuse to the Gurkenmeister, those 
 will blow when the glow plugs are not getting enough signal 
 from the relay.  All you have to do is jiggle the stalk and 
 that will wear away some nano particles and it works again.  
 You better get the car in the shop before the Gurkenmeister 
 really dies
 
 It devolves into who is going to call the shop.  The car is 
 not going until she kills it and it will no longer start on a 
 cold morning, having worn out the battery.
 
 
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 1995 E300D - Cleo
 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

2005-12-13 Thread Mike Canfield
That could end up one hell of a catastrophe about time the doubter 's 
pacemaker went poof  StupidReally, really stupid.


Mike
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Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics



Naa, just a tickle.  !20V  grounded through a person to the Mississippi
river will get said person's attention, but it is not generally fatal.  I
knew a guy who ran a hardware store.  He kept a cord with bare wires.  He
would hold one wire in each hand to show people it is only a tickle.  He
would regularly challenge disbelievers to take the wires in their bare 
hands.




Boy oh boy, is this bum advice. The cost of that cord is inconsequential.
From the description it's clear that the insulation has worn through
after all
those years and patching it together to save pennies is nuts. Suppose you
plugged it in and suddenly you have 120V AC standing on the car's chassis,
just
waiting for someone to touch it. Can you spell electrocution?

RLE



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Re: [MBZ] More block heater pyrotechnics

2005-12-13 Thread Mike Canfield

Don't ask me, however, about the time I decided to strip telephone cable
with my teeth when I lived in NYC ... and someone called in while my tongue
was on the ring piece of copper. THAT left a mark (when I fell off the
ladder and hit the floor).

ROTFLMAO  NOW THAT IS SOME FUNNY STUFF RIGHT THERE!

Mike(who thinks 70VDC is too much for your tongue)



Re: [MBZ] More block heater pyrotechnics

2005-12-13 Thread Mike Canfield
Carefull using duct tape for electrical repairs..Some brands WILL 
conduct electricity.  Electrical tape is cheap enough.


Mike
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To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] More block heater pyrotechnics


If I remember correctly, aren't you an engineer?  Wasn't that an 
electrical

engineer?

I don't often remember correctly.

There are some of us (me included -- even though I don't refer to my 240D 
as

a Chicken Wagon) -- who are seeing what we can drive on the cheap. For the
record, my own block heater cord crapped out with a short at the plug. I
chopped it off and put on a hardware store special end. But (and this is 
the
important part) I tie-wrapped it to the body in such a way that it 
wouldn't

catch any water drips. And I run an outdoor-rated three foot section of
extension cord from that plug to the outside the car part.

By the way, I was an avionics electronics technician during my first six
years of Coast Guard service. I've been zapped with five digit DC while
working on a radar, so have no fear of 120v AC. :-)

Please don't assume that we are idiots. Any of us brave enough to start
splicing 120v cable (or so I'd hope) know what we are doing. We might be
working with duct tape (although I have converted to Gorilla Tape now) but
we aren't amateurs.

Don't ask me, however, about the time I decided to strip telephone cable
with my teeth when I lived in NYC ... and someone called in while my 
tongue

was on the ring piece of copper. THAT left a mark (when I fell off the
ladder and hit the floor).



On 12/13/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I posted in re: repairing vs replacing a rotted out block heater power
cord:

Boy oh boy, is this bum advice. The cost of that cord is inconsequential.

The cost is not huge, no.� (Though it is a significant percentage of 
the

cost of that car.)

How much can a five foot power cord cost? Is this a $50 car? Maybe I
missed
that. The block heater cord in my '78 300D was just a plain old cord with
perhaps an unique plug at the engine end. And I used it for years.

Advice traded here is among competent adults who are assumed capable of
evaluating
their own abilities and acting accordingly. Not children.

I have to think that applying power to a heater that I've never used 
and
then wondering what could be wrong when sparks fly from under the front 
of

the
car might reveal that matters electrical are not at the very top of the
owner's
interest areas.

Do you think that I was crazy to have replaced the three stranded
10ga wires in my home furnace that had oxidized, overheated,
and burned out.� Total cost: nil, I had a roll of suitable wire.
Should I have ordered a new furnace instead?� How do I know that
it won't explode instantly when it's turned on, the old furnace at
least has proven itself to be safe and reliable over 30 years..

Of course not and this has no relation to our discussion. I repeat, any
risk
of applying commercial 120V to an ungrounded sometimes wet metal mass 
(the

car) is an invitation to disaster.

RLE
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[MBZ] water wetter

2005-12-13 Thread dieselbenz24
Has anyone used this coolant additive that is supposed to enhance the cooling 
capabilities of the coolant by around 20 degrees ?  Is this product on the list 
of approved additives ?
 
Thanks,
 
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Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

2005-12-13 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:50:10 + LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You must be really old! I always thought you were about my age or
 younger.

I'm 55. How old are you?


Craig



Re: [MBZ] water wetter

2005-12-13 Thread Christopher McCann
We recently had a thread on this. Marshall  endorses it...don't think anyone 
objected. I went out and bought three  bottles - 1 for the SD, 1 for the TD and 
one to sit on the shelf to  remind me about it in the future.
  
  Chris

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to enhance the  cooling capabilities of the coolant by around 20 degrees ? Is 
this  product on the list of approved additives ?
 
Thanks,
 
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it is not advisable for people with pacemakers to play with 120v.
It also helps to have callouses on your fingers.  Almost all the patrons of 
said hardware store were farmers with calloused fingers.  Burkie would not 
let you grab the wires if your fingers were wet.

Worst zap I ever got was one leg of 440 in the basement of the Turtle Bay 
HIlton while kneeling in a puddle of water.  That got my attention!  I had 
taken all the precautions available, but was nervous about the 
water.  Needless to say, I took even more precautions while finishing the job.

I am not advocating being stupid.  A couple of guys I have known have been 
electrocuted.  I AM saying that 120v with dry skin and rubber/plastic soled 
shoes is not the mortal shock some are advocating, (unless you have a 
pacemaker.)  It is just introducing a bit of perspective into the 
discussion of replacing cords.  I am very cautious around electricity.  My 
point is only that if you take proper precautions, such as wearing rubber 
soled shoes and keeping your feet dry, most contact with low voltage is not 
fatal, and nothing to get hysterical about.

If a new cord was used and routed over a wear/abrasion point, it is just as 
possible that it could theoretically pass 120 V to the chassis (after a 
period of time) as a repaired cord.  A properly repaired cord is not a 
death sentence.

At 07:05 AM 12/13/2005, you wrote:
That could end up one hell of a catastrophe about time the doubter 's
pacemaker went poof  StupidReally, really stupid.

Mike
- Original Message -
From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics


  Naa, just a tickle.  !20V  grounded through a person to the Mississippi
  river will get said person's attention, but it is not generally fatal.  I
  knew a guy who ran a hardware store.  He kept a cord with bare wires.  He
  would 

Re: [MBZ] More block heater pyrotechnics

2005-12-13 Thread Loren Faeth

Don, that is a good story!  Glad you survived!

At 07:24 AM 12/13/2005, you wrote:

Don't ask me, however, about the time I decided to strip telephone cable
with my teeth when I lived in NYC ... and someone called in while my tongue
was on the ring piece of copper. THAT left a mark (when I fell off the
ladder and hit the floor).

ROTFLMAO  NOW THAT IS SOME FUNNY STUFF RIGHT THERE!

Mike(who thinks 70VDC is too much for your tongue)

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Re: [MBZ] Former taxi?

2005-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

I have never seen anything like that before.

tom savage wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4595521056

Anyone ever seen a 123 interior like this?  I'm wondering if the meter 
went where the dummy vent panel is on the dash.  And the console...?


Tom,
Curieux

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[MBZ] [Fwd: Re: Club 123D]

2005-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
The vince dude wanted me to post this in reponse to the comments about 
his 123 club.


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Club 123D
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:46:52 +
From: V Layton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Wow, you guys sure don't pull any punches.

I founded my little labor of love club because I admire W123's so much.  It
is intended to be a traditional-type automobile club, which with all
reasonability charges a membership fee.  It's based in STL because I am.
There are at least a couple hundred W123's still roaming STL today.  It is
an honest effort to offer traditional auto club community type events and
traditions in celebration of a very fine car.  I'm just a car nut following
my American dream.  It is what it is, and I believe it offers W123
supportive and W123 owner/enthusiast services of value and validity.

Those who have actually have contacted me, joined and experienced some of
Club 123D have only expressed positive and enthusiastic comments, which
logically is a distortion to my perspetive of public reation.  Thanks for
letting me in on the sobering insight.

However, I don't really like my personal information being splayed out all
over by whoever posted it.
Perhaps instead of just investigating and trying to decipher my intentions
people could contact me and judge for themselves.  It's just a little 
humble

of a nothing enthusiast club, and not a threat to anyone.  It's not some
scam, it a novelty.  Auto entusuiast groups meet in America for every kind
of car, why not W123s?

Lastly, I'm not a dealer, the limo is not mine, and I think I made it VERY
clear the car is no gem or bargain.  It is a W123 that someone wants to 
sell

and I let people who desire as this private owner did to gain free
advertisement on my website.  I make no money off car sales- no commission
or anything-

Feel free to post this email on your forum as my rebuttal- I'd join in
myself, but I'd only be hocking wares where it seems it wouldn't be
recieved too well.

Regards,

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[MBZ] 190E/Car Fax

2005-12-13 Thread Donald Snook
Listers, 

 

First of all, thanks Kaleb for running the car fax.  If anyone is
interested in a manual tranny 190 gasser. There is one here in Wichita.
1985 190E Silver black leather (can't tellif its tex) interior.  I am
still thinking about it. 

 

I have not driven it, but it looks pretty nice.  The odometer says 67K,
car fax shows that in 94 it was not actual mileage.   

 

What are the early generation 190's like.   

 

Donald H. Snook

 



Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-13 Thread Hans Neureiter
Attached map, if it doesn't get stripped, shows a treck from OkieQ to
Prudhoe Bay @ 9,500 miles round trip. This is just about 2 1/2 weeks.
( - Winnipeg - Saskatoon - Edmonton - Whitehorse - Fairbanks - )

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Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

2005-12-13 Thread Levi Smith
I agree.  While I certainly don't RECOMMEND getting shocked with any amount
of electricity, I would say that there's a good probability you're not going
to die from it.  (that said, you never know for sure, especially if it's
passing through your heart...)
My uncle once had a trailer that he just ran some quick power to with an
extension cord or something and somehow screwed up cause I went to the door
and touched the metal side.  YOWCH.

Also I somehow was messing with a christmas light set (the old ones that ran
120v to the bulbs) and stuck my finger in the socket.  YOW!

I'm sure I've done it one or two other times as well (at least)

And of course that doesn't count the occasional touching of the electric
fence...  (:

Levi

On 12/13/05, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 it is not advisable for people with pacemakers to play with 120v.
 It also helps to have callouses on your fingers.  Almost all the patrons
 of
 said hardware store were farmers with calloused fingers.  Burkie would not
 let you grab the wires if your fingers were wet.

 Worst zap I ever got was one leg of 440 in the basement of the Turtle Bay
 HIlton while kneeling in a puddle of water.  That got my attention!  I had
 taken all the precautions available, but was nervous about the
 water.  Needless to say, I took even more precautions while finishing the
 job.

 I am not advocating being stupid.  A couple of guys I have known have been
 electrocuted.  I AM saying that 120v with dry skin and rubber/plastic
 soled
 shoes is not the mortal shock some are advocating, (unless you have a
 pacemaker.)  It is just introducing a bit of perspective into the
 discussion of replacing cords.  I am very cautious around electricity.  My
 point is only that if you take proper precautions, such as wearing rubber
 soled shoes and keeping your feet dry, most contact with low voltage is
 not
 fatal, and nothing to get hysterical about.

 If a new cord was used and routed over a wear/abrasion point, it is just
 as
 possible that it could theoretically pass 120 V to the chassis (after a
 period of time) as a repaired cord.  A properly repaired cord is not a
 death sentence.

 At 07:05 AM 12/13/2005, you wrote:
 That could end up one hell of a catastrophe about time the doubter 's
 pacemaker went poof  StupidReally, really stupid.
 
 Mike
 - Original Message -
 From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics
 
 
   Naa, just a tickle.  !20V  grounded through a person to the
 Mississippi
   river will get said person's attention, but it is not generally
 fatal.  I
   knew a guy who ran a hardware store.  He kept a cord with bare
 wires.  He
   would hold one wire in each hand to show people it is only a
 tickle.  He
   would regularly challenge disbelievers to take the wires in their bare
   hands.
  
  
  Boy oh boy, is this bum advice. The cost of that cord is
 inconsequential.
   From the description it's clear that the insulation has worn through
   after all
  those years and patching it together to save pennies is nuts. Suppose
 you
  plugged it in and suddenly you have 120V AC standing on the car's
 chassis,
  just
  waiting for someone to touch it. Can you spell electrocution?
  
  RLE
  
  
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[MBZ] Oil Analysis

2005-12-13 Thread Curt Raymond
Just wanted to drop a note with kudos for Larry T and his Oil Analysis Company. 
I just got the results back from the second test on my '96 Dodge Dakota. I LOVE 
it when the results match what I expected. Fuel in the oil was up a bit which 
is probably because my wife drives the truck and just sticks around town. At 
the last sample we'd just come back from a trip with 900 highway miles which 
kept that number down.
  I haven't been doing analysis on Hammie (the 240D) because he consumes so 
much oil it doesn't seem like its worth it, but I will on the 190D once I start 
driving that regularly.
  
Anyway 3 samples from Larry is $55 and TOTALLY worth it. I'd shopped around 
before and most labs I found were $25 a pop and didn't have bellows samplers to 
draw the sample up the dipstick hole.
   
  -Curt


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Clay said:

 The Queen of Denial has finally gone beyond my ability to deal with.  
Well, she is fine, she just should have Cleo taken from her

love the stream of consciousness rant! Hope you two work things out :)

Chris
'81 300SD
'88 GMC240D






Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 7, Issue 87

2005-12-13 Thread Chris Hoskin
I would like to see the final rendez-vous point be in Canada.  I would
expect that several folks will organize other, earlier, start points -
Seattle and OkieQ come to mind - but I suspect it may be best to have us
each be responsible for getting ourselves over the border individually
instead of as a large caravan.

Looking at the map Hope, British Columbia would seem like a good place for
Eastbound and Westbound travellers to meet up before we all head north
together.  Also, starting from a town called Hope has got to be a good
thing! (no Bill Clinton reference intended)

I am in New England and am thinking driving to BC and THEN starting a 4000
mile run may be a bit muchAnyone have any experience riding a train
across Canada with a car in the baggage compartment?  I have always wanted
to take that train trip, so may be able to kill two birds with one stone.  I
know that snowbirds frequently do this from the Northeast to Florida, but
not sure about the trans-continental thing.  Could be pricey too, I have no
idea.

Chris
'81 300SD
'88 GMC240D

Sumas is not right close or simple to get to from major roads.  It is
the truck route about 15 miles off I-5 to the east. Country lanes from
I-5 until you get meander to the border.  It is a tiny town out in the
boonies with good connections to Canadian roads.  East of the Rockies
would be well served to enter that way and head west on the Trans
Canada or Canada Hwy 1 IIRC.

On Monday, December 12, 2005, at 11:30 AM, Christopher McCann wrote:

 In principle, it would be nice to meet up as soon  as possible. At the
 same time, we want to keep backtracking to a  minimum. Bob will be
 heading straight north...don't know if anyone west  of Bob plans on
 coming.

   I've got two ideas:

   1. Sumas, WA (north of Seattle): Here is the link for the route from
 Sumas to Deadhorse:

 http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/directions/
 dirGetDirections.jsp?BV_SessionID=1556161185.1134415227BV_Engi
 neID=addghfdejljcefecggfdffhdgif.0cmty=0

   2. Sweet Grass, MT: this would have Easterners bypassing the Rockies
  entirely and hwy 15 is a straight shot for Bob. According to my map,
 these first roads through Canada are not as scenic as the above route:

 http://www.randmcnally.com/rmc/directions/
 dirGetDirections.jsp?BV_SessionID=1556161185.1134415227BV_Engi
 neID=addghfdejljcefecggfdffhdgif.0cmty=0

   Both of these towns are right on the border. Both work fine. Perhaps
  there are other ideas of where we might rendezvous sooner in the US.

   Of course, if two cars are coming from, say, Missouri, those two
 would caravan together to the main rendezvous point, etc.

   If there are Canadians wanting to come, we need a Canada rendezvous
 point too.





Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis

2005-12-13 Thread J.B. Hebert

Does he have a web site?  Do they check soot?

Sounds like a good deal.

J.B.

At 10:18 AM 12/13/2005, you wrote:

Just wanted to drop a note with kudos for Larry T and his Oil 
Analysis Company. I just got the results back from the second test 
on my '96 Dodge Dakota. I LOVE it when the results match what I 
expected. Fuel in the oil was up a bit which is probably because my 
wife drives the truck and just sticks around town. At the last 
sample we'd just come back from a trip with 900 highway miles which 
kept that number down.
  I haven't been doing analysis on Hammie (the 240D) because he 
consumes so much oil it doesn't seem like its worth it, but I will 
on the 190D once I start driving that regularly.


Anyway 3 samples from Larry is $55 and TOTALLY worth it. I'd shopped 
around before and most labs I found were $25 a pop and didn't have 
bellows samplers to draw the sample up the dipstick hole.


  -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

2005-12-13 Thread LT Don
Two years behind you.

On 12/13/05, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:50:10 + LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  You must be really old! I always thought you were about my age or
  younger.

 I'm 55. How old are you?


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Re: [MBZ] More block heater pyrotechnics

2005-12-13 Thread Luther Gulseth
did you change your underwear also?  Probably permanently stained.

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Don't ask me, however, about the time I decided to strip telephone cable
with my teeth when I lived in NYC ... and someone called in while my tongue
was on the ring piece of copper. THAT left a mark (when I fell off the
ladder and hit the floor).





Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix)
'82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi



Re: [MBZ] ArcticQ - US rendezvous point

2005-12-13 Thread Curt Raymond
If we come, and its still a very big if, we won't start at Okieq, seems like 
that'd add something like an extra 1000 miles for us.
  So if we're in we'd probably plan to meet you folks somewhere en-route. Not 
sure if I'll be able to swing three weeks of vacation in one go and theres no 
way I'd make that kind of drive (10kmi?) in less than three weeks.
   
  -Curt, in MA
  '85 190D 233kmi
  '83 240D 249kmi
   
  Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:02:38 -0600
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most people who are far enough away to not want to start at the okieq 
are too far away anyways and probably wouldnt have come regardless.



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I so don't want to hear it. Tax on my '85 190D was $120!
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:13:47 -0600
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Yup - it sure is.  Just paid for both when I registered the '90 300D
2.5 last month.
Here's the list from the receipts:

Title fee
Excise tax
Insurance fee
Mail fee
Notary fee (yes - the tile was notarized before I walked in)
Inspection fee
Registration fee
Waste tire fee

Most of these are between $1 and $5, but the excise tax was $118 
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Re: [MBZ] Oil Analysis

2005-12-13 Thread Tom Reynolds
Here's Larry's email address.  He and I were both mentioned in last year's
Scottsdale Barrett-Jackson Auction.  Our 15 minutes of fame.  And, to  be
perfectly honest, I don't think they mentioned our names, just the
questions or comments we sent in.  Let me graft some stuff from his sig line;
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB)
A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net
For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info

Best regards, tell him Tom says hi,
Tom Reynolds
Sand Springs, OK

At 10:33 AM 12/13/2005 -0500, you wrote:

Does he have a web site?  Do they check soot?

Sounds like a good deal.

J.B.

At 10:18 AM 12/13/2005, you wrote:

Just wanted to drop a note with kudos for Larry T and his Oil 
Analysis Company. I just got the results back from the second test 
on my '96 Dodge Dakota. I LOVE it when the results match what I 
expected. Fuel in the oil was up a bit which is probably because my 
wife drives the truck and just sticks around town. At the last 
sample we'd just come back from a trip with 900 highway miles which 
kept that number down.
   I haven't been doing analysis on Hammie (the 240D) because he 
 consumes so much oil it doesn't seem like its worth it, but I will 
 on the 190D once I start driving that regularly.

Anyway 3 samples from Larry is $55 and TOTALLY worth it. I'd shopped 
around before and most labs I found were $25 a pop and didn't have 
bellows samplers to draw the sample up the dipstick hole.

   -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Former taxi?

2005-12-13 Thread John Peterson

I think that is an old Volvo console- placed in the MB.

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I have never seen anything like that before.

tom savage wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4595521056

Anyone ever seen a 123 interior like this?  I'm wondering if the meter 
went where the dummy vent panel is on the dash.  And the console...?


Tom,
Curieux

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Re: [MBZ] water wetter

2005-12-13 Thread Alan Duff
I use it in all my vehicles. My 300CE tends to run warm and it seemed to 
help in the summer, the 85 Jeep Grand Wagoneer didn't benefit as much.

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:37:42 -0800 (PST), Christopher McCann 
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 We recently had a thread on this. Marshall  endorses it...don't think 
anyone objected. I went out and bought three  bottles - 1 for the SD, 1 
for the TD and one to sit on the shelf to  remind me about it in the 
future.
   
   Chris
 




Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers

2005-12-13 Thread Jim Cathey
What sort of job is it to RR the rear shocks on an 82 240D? Anyone 
done this? Any special equipment or tools needed? How difficult?


It's easy.  Nothing special required, except maybe some good penetrating
juice on the bottom bolts.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Block heater pyrotechnics

2005-12-13 Thread Jim Cathey
My uncle once had a trailer that he just ran some quick power to with 
an
extension cord or something and somehow screwed up cause I went to the 
door

and touched the metal side.  YOWCH.


That was _our_ trailer when I was a kid!  Was never properly grounded
somehow (my dad wasn't that great with wiring as it turns out), and for
_years_ you had to remember to jump up when opening the front door if
you were barefoot and it was damp outside.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Buying a car in GA and registering it in OK:

2005-12-13 Thread Jim Cathey

I get charged?  Tax on $1700, because unless it was in the junk yard, a
Running 220D is worth at least $1700 here in WA!


As I mentioned, one of those State forms, signed, or an independent
appraisal will convince them otherwise.

And somehow I doubt that if one paid _extra_ because it was a
particularly cherry example that they'd say: No, we'll just
use the book value here.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Rear Shock Absorbers

2005-12-13 Thread Ron Dwelle

Yes, I've done it. It's fairly simple. If I can do it, anyone can.

Ron Dwelle

On Dec 13, 2005, at 11:15 AM, Jerry Herrman wrote:

What sort of job is it to RR the rear shocks on an 82 240D? Anyone 
done this? Any special equipment or tools needed? How difficult?


Thanks in advance

Jerry
1982 240D
227,000 miles
original shocks


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