Are you talkin to me? Because what you're saying doesn't make anything I've
said wrong.
Went to the shop today, printed to Microsoft Office Document Imaging (ie
.MDI) the MB specified values for starting gear given throttle position; I
can't provide a document number, but will post a printout
How does this make Kaleb correct? How do you know your vehicle is adjusted
properly? What year is your car? A 300D could mean ALOT of different cars.
Mike
On 10/22/06, Stephen D Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kaleb is correct; my 300D has 4 speeds starts out in 1st !!!;
sometimes shifts
You might want to look at that tranny then if you cant feel the shifts.
Soft shifts mean slipping which means wearing out the tranny. They
should be somewhat firm but not neck breaking firm.
LarryT wrote:
Hi Rick -
Ditto what the others said - Ilike mine so much I may find another
someday
yes, yes you do, or 2 or 3 of each.
OK Don wrote:
They are different cars, each special in it's own way. You need one of each.
On 10/22/06, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
toss-up = no question, I'd take the SDL every time, just for the rear space
and trunk space. Plus I've always
damn, Im still kicking myself over that one. But, as I told you, the
only reason I let you have it is because I knew you were looking for
one, and you would actually appreciate it. And, you are keeping your
eyes open for other deals for me.
Luther Gulseth wrote:
UH HUH. Got me one for a
My offer would probably not be reasonable
Rick Knoble wrote:
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/car/223821046.html
Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT
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Well, you still didn't provide enough detail - the 107 with the cast
rion block (3.5 and 4.5) 117 engines have a three speed tranny
(722.004), and start in first. The later 107 had either the 3.8 or 5.6
aluminum block 117 engines, with a 4 speed tranny. I don't know which
gear they start in.
On
OK, now we all know you are write.
Michael Hall wrote:
Are you talkin to me? Because what you're saying doesn't make anything I've
said wrong.
Went to the shop today, printed to Microsoft Office Document Imaging (ie
.MDI) the MB specified values for starting gear given throttle position; I
Can anyone give me an invitation code to setup a Gmail account?
Thanks!
Jeff Zedic
Toronto
rumor has it that David wrote:
John Peterson wrote:
Curt, I had many 900's. Very nice car. Will run 200k+. Gearbox in
the 85-88 were weak and usually gave out about 130k or so. I
might have been an exception, but I had really, really good luck
with all of my 900's.
I wouldn't rule
I said earlier that the 4.5 L 117's have the 3 speed and start in first.
Dunno where you're getting the 3.5 info, thats older than I have info for.
Do I need to repeat everything I've ever said?
Mike
On 10/22/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, you still didn't provide enough detail -
The 107 never came with a 617, so Im not sure why those would be lumped
together. The 103 never came in the 107 either. This info doesnt make
sense.
OK Don wrote:
Well, you still didn't provide enough detail - the 107 with the cast
rion block (3.5 and 4.5) 117 engines have a three speed
one
On 10/22/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can anyone give me an invitation code to setup a Gmail account?
Thanks!
Jeff Zedic
Toronto
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Yeah, your ability to write english better than I makes you right about
everything. Never mind the fact that English is the 3RD language I learned
In my life, of the 4 I know.
Mike
On 10/22/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, now we all know you are write.
Michael Hall wrote:
The 3.5 and 4.5 were available at the same time.
Michael Hall wrote:
I said earlier that the 4.5 L 117's have the 3 speed and start in first.
Dunno where you're getting the 3.5 info, thats older than I have info for.
Do I need to repeat everything I've ever said?
Mike
--
Kaleb C.
Who said they did?
They're probaly lumped together becuase they opperate similiarly, either
becuase they havve similair internals, similiar design of internals, or
purly by luck.
Mike
On 10/22/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The 107 never came with a 617, so Im not sure why
Well, the MB document I quoted from is doesn't explicitly cover those
motors. You'll see what I mean when I post it.
On 10/22/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The 3.5 and 4.5 were available at the same time.
Michael Hall wrote:
I said earlier that the 4.5 L 117's have the 3
Thanks Sunil!
Jeff
ok
Michael Hall wrote:
Well, the MB document I quoted from is doesn't explicitly cover those
motors. You'll see what I mean when I post it.
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Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL,
87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
84 190D 2.2
Need help finding a climate control relay. Looking for the electronic
switching unit for blower control. See the *.pdf on disk 2 of 123 83-600a
page 9 or the attached *.jpg.
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Luther KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case?
'83 300SD (241 kmi)
'82 300CD (162 kmi)
'82 300D (74
The 250 is an in line 6 cylinder, gas burner with 2 downdraft carbs. A good
one is a great car.
If fuel economy means nothing.
RLE
,Its a 114, would be a 68-72, its a 2.5 6 cylinder gas with dual zenith
carbs.
'72 was a 2.8.
RLE
This is alldata information, not information from MBNA. You need to
come up with something official. Alldata can be and often is wrong.
Michael Hall wrote:
To those still interested in this thread;
http://www.easttennesseeonlinemarketing.com/jareks/techinicalinfo/TransDebate.html
Still
Its Alldata info that is clearly scanned in copies of MB technical data -
the most reliable source of ELECTRONIC W123 documentation that I have access
to.
WIS doesn't cover W123's - at least my copy doesn't, so I can't give you
document numbers, but I presume it would be found under 27.00 to
I want to see a copy of the transmission manuals OR where in the regular
chassis factory manual that these things are said. If Alldata is previously
suspect, they can be on this also.
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:53:40 -0500, Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Its Alldata info that is clearly
I would too, but I don't have access to it. Its not like All Data made this
data up - most of All Data's technical info comes directly from
Manufacturer's literature, and judging by the format of this information, it
comes from an MB document.
I certainly give more weight to this document than
'82 300D done today. That was fun and easy, even on dirt! Problem #1 was
getting the oil pressure sensor line loose. Even with an oil wrench, I
couldn't get the fitting to break loose and ended up taking the piece off the
back of the oil filter canister. Problem #2 was getting the
I thought you sold that car?
Luther Gulseth wrote:
'82 300D done today. That was fun and easy, even on dirt! Problem #1 was getting the
oil pressure sensor line loose. Even with an oil wrench, I couldn't get the fitting to
break loose and ended up taking the piece off the back of the oil
alldata is very suspect. Here is how it boils down, we have 15 years
and dozens and dozens of cars worth of experience, or some info
somewhere from alldata. You decide. Just from my own experience. I
cant see how every 123 and 126 turbo car I have had over the last 15
years has all had the
Did and I'm working on the engine swap with my neighboor who bought it.
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:33:40 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought you sold that car?
Luther Gulseth wrote:
'82 300D done today. That was fun and easy, even on dirt! Problem #1 was
getting the
On 10/23/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
alldata is very suspect.
Why? In particular, what makes this information suspect, other than it
proving you wrong? Are you claiming alldata made up this information?
Here is how it boils down, we have 15 years
and dozens and dozens
Peter Frederick wrote:
One of the things that does them in is failure to replace the o-rings
on the oil cooler. This permits oil to leak eventually, and it usually
catches fire, followed by the fuel tank siphoning out (standpipe is too
short, it will drain the entire tank onto the engine
Zoltan Finks wrote:
I agree that the older ones are nicer looking - with the cool parking lamps
and all. Didn't those older models have wierd wheels with really big,
non-round hub holes? I know the Things did.
The infamous wide 5 wheels. I know they were used on Buses for a
while, at
Children Children Children, play nice. Personally I can see the reason why
turbo Diesels would start in first, it is a matter of spinning up the mill
to get turbo pressure. Anybody who has had anything to do with turbo Diesel
engines will tell you about turbo lag, that period (usally below
John,
Yup - I'm on the Saab List, but in digest mode. I am real curious though: I
had all but written off that list (granted, I'm in digest mode on
it) because all it seemed to consist of was some recent article on some new
Saab model which was emailed to me every few weeks. Nothing relevant to
But you're talking about Klebbie, not a normal, logical person.
_
Frank Pembleton
Manchester, MO
KLEB FOR PREZ!!
-Original Message-
From: Michael Hall
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 11:59 PM
Otherwise, a logical person would conclude that I am correct.
Mike
'82 300D done today. That was fun and easy, even on dirt!
Luther:
How many hours did it take? I'm thinking about transplanting a good
300sd motor into something else instead of fixing the rust.
Tony Wirtel
Weird, I must have been lucky. Mine were no problem at all and I definitely
used more than finger pressure to tighten them...
Levi
On 10/20/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Levi Smith wrote:
Just didn't feel like changing it?
Changing the thermostat on an OM617 can quickly turn
No wonder Marshall is gone.
Mike
On 10/23/06, Frank Pembleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But you're talking about Klebbie, not a normal, logical person.
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Frank Pembleton
Manchester, MO
KLEB FOR PREZ!!
-Original Message-
From: Michael Hall
Sent: Sunday, October
Peter,
A typical American sedan will go 70,000 miles+ before needing its first
brake job for most new car buyers, this equals no brake job at all before
the car is traded or the lease is up. Now this same customer buys a Mercedes
and it needs brakes in 2 years? And it costs $550.00 with
I miss MarshallThis thread would have been over long ago with just a
few of his wise words.Where'd ya go Dok?
Mike
- Original Message -
From: Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 8:24 AM
Subject:
Looking for the electronic switching unit for blower control.
Pretty sure it's behind the glove box liner. Not positive, however.
-- Jim
This is the 2 CD issue for the 124. It has 'Shockwave Flash' on both disks.
As I understand, Start.exe launches the Browser, Reader and Flash, but it
fails. The CD still works ok on my laptop. Problem with installing on the HD
is it doesn't work niether. There is obviously something wrong in my
Anybody who has had anything to do with turbo Diesel
engines will tell you about turbo lag, that period (usally below
1500rpms)
where the engine won't pull well because the turbo is not charging the
compression chamber.
Having driven the 190D 2.5 (stick) for awhile, something that seems to
A typical American sedan will go 70,000 miles+ before needing its first
brake job...
A friend's Ford Exploder manages to get 12-20kmi out of a set of brakes.
Automatic transmission, of course. I was appalled. I got 150kmi out of
the factory brakes on my Camaro, with a stick shift. I'd guess
There is obviously something wrong in my PC, but what?
Too much Microsoft content? (Sez the man with a Mac.)
(I'm serious. Sort of.)
A free IT education with every purchase! --- Microsoft
-- Jim
Perhaps the belief that anecdotal data gathered by a junk yard operator is
superior to real repair and diagnostic information scared him off - this
certainly isn't the first instance. Or the underlying belief by many on
this list that he [Marshall, no Kaleb] was essentially God, which must get
Jim,
Sounds like you already know the solution to your power problem..It's
just plain geared wrong.
Mike
- Original Message -
From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY
Exploders eat up front brakes every 10K or so when the back brakes are out
of adjustment...Keep the back brakes adjusted properly, the automatic
adjusters are pretty worthless after a while, and you can get 20K or
so..Still appalling to say the least.
Mike
- Original Message -
Sounds reasonable enough I guess..Was just hoping all is well and it
is.
Mike
- Original Message -
From: Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] HOW MANY GEARS IN 300D
But a Ford Exploder isn't a typical American sedan...
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Cathey
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 8:36 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ]
But a Ford Exploder isn't a typical American sedan...
By the numbers, these days, I'm thinking maybe it is!
Never understood the whole SU(E)V thing. Why get a vehicle
that is a bad compromise when you can have _two_ nice
purposed vehicles? We drive sedans or convertibles,
usually, and
Mike,
NO!
Chuck
Phoenix AZ
On Oct 23, 2006, at 6:16 AM, Michael Hall wrote:
I wonder if you have to be in MBCA to be on the forums?
Mike
Have you un-installed then re-installed Acrobat?
Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:11:27 -0400
From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1982 300TD Blower Motor
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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MICHAEL ESH wrote:
Is this a brush
about 7-8 hours, but that is my first time AND there was plenty of time
screwing
around, pausing to think, talk, drink a brew, wrestle with his great
dane, etc.
I think the next engine we pull will go MUCH quicker.
--
Luther KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case?
'83 300SD (241
I had a 1967 230 (gasser). I think it was better built than the later
M-Bs, though I was not a fan of the fins. It was a rock solid body and
engine. I never had any problem finding parts.
It had a heater fan. In fact, I still have an good heater core, if
anyone needs it. I also have the factory
Chuck,
That's a real beauty but at its current price it really does need a
real-time, reality-based inspection...
On 10/20/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Guys,
A friend of mine from the VA area is interested in buying a 1959 220S
Coupe that is posted on EBay..
They are definitely working through their quality problems.
On 10/23/06, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Peter,
A typical American sedan will go 70,000 miles+ before needing its first
brake job for most new car buyers, this equals no brake job at all
before
the car is traded or the
Replacing brushes on a blower motor (1983 300 D) is NOT an easy job for
someone like me who is an electrical sub-novice. I recommend purchasing a
good used blower motor from a reliable vendor on ebay.
On 10/23/06, Van Cleve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Message: 17
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:11:27
Sure did. Strangely, after I installed Adobe 3.0 and click the file
ieflashck,html on the CD under Program, the CD works.
On 10/23/06, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Have you un-installed then re-installed Acrobat?
Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis
Because insurance costs too much for one vehicle let alone two for many
people...That and no one really cares about fuel economy when it comes
at a cost of inconvenience..
Mike
- Original Message -
From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Why aren't you just double clicking on matrix.exe?
That will bring up the main menu and away you go s long as acrobat and
flash are installed already.
Jeff Zedic
Toronto
I'm running Adobe Reader 7.0 -- why are you using 3.0? Later versions are
available on the net - and they have many more features.
Also -Jeff's comment about as long as acrobat and flash are installed
already. Not sure where to find the latest version of Flash - I believe it
installs behind
You all could read the oner's manual --- a primary source. It's on
the CD if you don't have the one that came with the car.
You can call it suspect, you can even call it incorrect, but in doing so I
would expect you to provide contradictory information that would hold up to
the same burden
What would be the fun in that?
Mike
On 10/23/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You all could read the oner's manual --- a primary source. It's on
the CD if you don't have the one that came with the car.
You can call it suspect, you can even call it incorrect, but in doing so
I
would
when i lived up in north fulton county, every woman there had a lincoln
navigator. I never saw on that was loaded with more stuff than you could
easily fit in a VW hatchback.
my thought is that a wagon or even a hatchback should be adequate. i need
more than that about every 2 years. then i
Jim,
I think you'd want the 2.2l diff in there for 5th to be useful. It seems like
the diff from the auto car would be a bit higher.
My 2.2l is fine to drive in 5th even last weekend hauling a woodstove back from
CT. On small hills I'd need to be sure to keep my speed up or need to shift
down
My civic just got new front brakes and rotors at 120Kmi. Original (drum)
rears that I've only had adjusted twice.
And Hursty, I just bought a hatchback, so I've joined the club.
On 10/23/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
when i lived up in north fulton county, every woman there had a
Rusty, you carry Saab parts? Specifically, for a 1988 Saab 900S? If not
you, who?
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Sunil Hari
1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
513-205-7474
Thanks, Luther- short of wrestling w/the great dane, sounds more or
less like the approach I'd be using...
Tony Wirtel
about 7-8 hours, but that is my first time AND there was plenty of time
screwing
around, pausing to think, talk, drink a brew, wrestle with his great
dane, etc.
I think the
Once again I have to ask, Why are these cars not here?
Not that it matters to me anymore as I'm moving to the UK and will soon
have my pick of all the wonderful diesels there!!
BMW 3-Series
By Andrew Frankel of The Sunday Times
Who can catch it now?
I first drove a car at
Hi, All
Sunday was mount the new Tire Rack Kuhmo tyres. The least expensive
Powerstar 758's consistent with my poverty stricken state. The break
down and remount were carried out on my friends machine with much
difficulty, expletive deleted and tea. For the 190DT wheels, 15',
ET49, the Habbah
Neither the 123 or 126 manuals say anything about first or second gear start.
http://mb.braingears.com/123_DISK2/program/OM/OM-50.pdf
http://mb.braingears.com/126_DISC2/program/OM/OM-59.pdf
Maybe the actual transmission manuals (rare as Kaleb buying a new car)
would say
something for sure.
--
Ahh, I'd written a big thing but it all boils down to this - you're a jerk, you
have no manners. Kaleb PAYS for this list to exist which is alot more than I
can say for you.
I've bought parts from Kaleb before so I figure I've in some small way help to
support the list. Kaleb gives us anecdotal
Ah, but the real trick is putting one back in. It is usually a whole lot easier
to get the old one out than to get
the new one back in.
Certainly not trying to discourage you. It is a good experience for everyone to
try it. Makes you appreciate the
vehicle more I think. Helps to have some
The original owners manual in the glovebox does not say (so far as I can tell
on a quick perusal in any event) how
many gears my 76 300D has. All it really says is that it is an automatic
transmission (which of course is fairly
obvious even to the uninitiated). The manual is a combined version
I've tried on several occasions to buy things from Kaleb. He doesn't seem
to want to sell me anything.
I'm a jerk because I refuse to let the list owner post false information?
Okay, sure.
Paying for the list is a joke. I think admin time is worth more than the
fees related to hosting the
I know you can tow start the earlier models, but can you tow start a 1995 E300D?
Bob DuPuy
Parrish, FL
Welcome to the big show Fred. I have the HF machine and its all you say it
is (or is not) but I still get a lot of satisfaction through doing it myself
instead of wondering what was done at the tire shop. I am confused about
the hold down star being used as you break the bead. My bead breaker
Doh!
At 05:14 PM 10/23/2006, you wrote:
I am confused about
the hold down star being used as you break the bead. My bead breaker is
used with the wheel on the floor, maybe your machine is another model.
Harry
Yeah, I suppose, but brake jobs with no rotor change on a benz take
less than one hour labor, usually done with an oil change, so they
shouldn't be paying $550!
Besides, those are wonderful brakes!
A matter of perception, I believe, not actual trouble.
Newer Japanese cars will go much longer
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