Re: [MBZ] Best way to trouble shoot window, 1979 240D
Obviously I have been off list for a few days. I read all the way down to 'Front passenger window' before I realized this wasn't another Windows / Mac discussion such as was going on when I left.. BillR, Jacksonville and just back from Columbia and Atlanta. 1981 300SD 287k miles, and still getting 28 mpg [at least until I turn on the AC again] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:46 PM To: Peter Frederick; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Best way to trouble shoot window, 1979 240D Now that weather is getting better time to fix my window that went plop this winter. Anyone ever do this repair. Heck I do not even know what is wrong yet. Window came off track, I think regulator goes up and down. Any thoughts would be a help. Front passenger window.Thanks Regards Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w 108 wheel bearing noise
I did change the rear wheel bearings along with the front ones. The Rear ones were not easy sailing. Engine mountings are o.k . The fan shroud is missing and I have not been able to source it as yet. On the stands the noise is not there and that is the surprising bit, Its a elusive grinding noise . regards mak - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] w 108 wheel bearing noise It's unusual for a road gear related noise to stay at the same pitch and intensity with varying road speed and load, though. Are your engine mounts in good shape? Maybe the fan is vibrating the shroud or something (although that should change with engine speed). I forget, did you change the REAR axle bearings? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007 4:36 PM
Re: [MBZ] Leaky IP
Im sure somebody has them, I do not off the top of my head. BTW, when did you start accumulating cars? You seem to have quite the heard. Notice you have a 87 300TD, how is that doing? Dont remember you getting that. Ralph W wrote: Does that mean I have to visit my favorite certified MB mechanic? Any idea where I can get the special instructions and picture of the tool? Ralph W. '83 300CD '82 300TD (2 parts wagons) '90 300D '01 E320 Wagon '87 300TD - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky IP its the delivery valve seals, requires a special tool and special instructions. Ralph W wrote: I am looking for some wisdom on how to stop a diesel leak in the IP of my '90 2.5L. Fuel is leaking out the top of the pump at the base of the threaded fitting which the injector lines are threaded on. These fittings seem to be held in place by some flat metal plates which are bolted down to the top of the IP. The leak is definitely welling up from the pump and not from the threaded nut of the lines. Can someone please give me some insight in what I may find if I start dismantling things? Is there some sort of gasket which is leaking? TIA. Ralph W. '83 300CD '82 300TD (2 parts wagons) '90 300D '01 E320 Wagon '87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w 108 wheel bearing noise
Mak: Almost has to be a bearing or bearing housing, or something that only rubs when the weight of the car is on the wheels. The left rear bearing is OK, the right one is pure pain, I think I'm out of ideas -- look for something that moves and interferes with the wheels or tires when the car is sitting down. Also, did you change the bearing race in the hub when you did the front bearings? It's not always in the box with the bearing, sometimes you have to get it separately, and if it was bad, a new bearing will sound just as bad as the old one as the race is still bad and rough. Peter
Re: [MBZ] columbus CL 450SEL
IMHO such a car is not worth restoring because 1) valve job is surely needed soon ($3,000), 2) crappy interiors (thin wood and leather), 3) poor fuel economy, 4) dash is probably cracked and looks oogy, 5) they usually stink of stale tobacco smoke, and 6) poor fuel economy and overall technology is passe. On 3/25/07, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://columbus.craigslist.org/car/299919286.html Anyone interested? -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] columbus CL 450SEL
IMHO such a car is not worth restoring because 1) valve job is surely needed soon ($3,000), 2) crappy interiors (thin wood and leather), 3) poor fuel economy, 4) dash is probably cracked and looks oogy, 5) they usually stink of stale tobacco smoke, and 6) poor fuel economy and overall technology is passe. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] SL passenger seat doglegs
Does anyone have the passenger seat doglegs (The part connecting the seat back rest to the seatbottom frame. Note: It would have the back rest seat adjust knob on the left) to fit a '76 SL? TIA. Now how in heck did you come to be needing one of those? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Culprit Found
Some day I will learn to check the simple things first. Sage advice. And do the old loop style GPs *ever* burn out? I think it's fairly rare. -- Jim
[MBZ] Wierd Buzzer
W115'ers The 74 240D is running great...except for the buzzer...which goes on when I brake hard, and sometimes when I depress the clutch, but it goes off when I shift into neutral (4 speed manual)! One must put the car in gear sooner or later, after all, so it's a bit of a bother. What is it trying to tell me? V/R, Bruce 82 300CD 348kmi 'His' 85 300CD 253kmi 'Hers' 75 240D 202kmi 'Donner' 77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen' gone to a better place 74 240D 79kmi 'Orangewagen' 73 220D 'Fnu Lnu' - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar 26 06:39:33 2007 Received: from firewall.thint.co.za ([196.7.33.146] helo=adsmail.adsmr.co.za) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HVirb-0003Sn-9t for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 06:39:33 + Received: from Adsmail.adsmr.co.za by adsmail.adsmr.co.za via smtpd (for [69.50.193.222] [69.50.193.222]) with ESMTP; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:32:34 +0200 Received: from simmail.Adsintranet.Corp ([172.21.9.3]) by ADSMAIL.Adsintranet.Corp with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:38:14 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:38:06 +0200 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz classic car center Thread-Index: AcbKd4jaig619giYQXegvcG2BHBa+Sk+bevQ From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2007 06:38:14.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[5490ECC0:01C76F71] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz classic car center X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 06:39:34 - Will they help non US residents I wonder? Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 August 2006 09:55 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz classic car center My understanding is they've been around for a while atleast since 2001=20 =20 Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata =20 =20 =20 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz classic car center Just be careful - they gave me the wrong part number for my 83 300TD rear bumper. Really had Rusty confused for awhile. On 8/27/06, dan elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, Not sure if this made the list but I read in a magazine that MB was=20 opening the first manufacturer backed classic car center in Inrvine=20 CA. The center will offer sales, restoration and search assistance=20 for models 20 years and older. I did a google search and sure enough=20 I came up with http://www.mbusa.com/heritage/classic-center- california.do Hope others will find this interesting, perhaps a good place to get an usual part. Regards, Dan Elliott 82 300D-T 100kmi Reading like this... =20 The Mercedes-Benz Classic Center in Irvine, California, is the ideal=20 place for owners, collectors, and enthusiasts to connect with this=20 legendary brand. In addition to meticulously restoring and selling=20 classic Mercedes- Benz vehicles, the Classic Center offers appraisals, provides Genuine Mercedes-Benz Classic Parts, and can even host your=20 special event. We look forward to seeing you at the Classic Center - and sharing 120=20 years of automotive history. =20 Visit the Classic Center and experience the most inspiring collection=20 of vintage Mercedes-Benz vehicles outside the original Classic Center=20 in Fellbach, Germany. Whether you are looking to restore a classic or=20 buy one for your collection, the Classic Center can help meet your=20 needs. Expert restoration and repair services - including spare parts=20 information and sales - are available to assist owners in maintaining=20 the prime condition of their classics to factory standards of=20 originality and preservation. For more details, please call 1-866-MB-CLASSIC (1-866-622-5277).
Re: [MBZ] Leaky IP
Kaleb, I've had most of the cars for a while now. I just recently got the '87 wagon from Jeff Zedic before he crossed the pond. I changed the tranny filter and put M1 ATF in and the tranny went to hell along with engine power. Indy suggested going back to standard fluid and try some Lucas. It's like a different vehicle now. Flares have gone to snappy shifts and car seems much more powerful. I was considering dumping it but will now keep it. Indy is now fixing rusted out jacking points. As far as the two 123 parts wagons, one was also from Zedic about three years ago. The other was my wifes before I got into a front end collision with it. I'm just about done parting them both out and sending them on. One to the salvage yard and the other to a new owner with more space to store a nice rust free body. Ralph W. '83 300CD '82 300TD (2 parts wagons) '90 300D '01 E320 Wagon '87 300TD - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky IP Im sure somebody has them, I do not off the top of my head. BTW, when did you start accumulating cars? You seem to have quite the heard. Notice you have a 87 300TD, how is that doing? Dont remember you getting that.
Re: [MBZ] When to use Mobil 1 after engine rebuild
Peter , I'm not sure what the general understanding of high gear is - do you mean gear 1,2 or 3,4 ? Thanks Peter -Original Message- From: Peter Frederick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 March 2007 03:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] When to use Mobil 1 after engine rebuild No more than 500 miles. Make sure you do some full throttle high load runs (steep hills in high gear) first -- this polishes the cylinders a bit and seats the rings. If you don't, oil consumption may stay high for a long time, MB cylinder walls are fairly hard, and they don't use scraper rings. Change the filter at the same time. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz classic car center
They are supposed to help world-wide. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz classic car center Will they help non US residents I wonder? Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 August 2006 09:55 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz classic car center My understanding is they've been around for a while atleast since 2001 Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz classic car center Just be careful - they gave me the wrong part number for my 83 300TD rear bumper. Really had Rusty confused for awhile. On 8/27/06, dan elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, Not sure if this made the list but I read in a magazine that MB was opening the first manufacturer backed classic car center in Inrvine CA. The center will offer sales, restoration and search assistance for models 20 years and older. I did a google search and sure enough I came up with http://www.mbusa.com/heritage/classic-center- california.do Hope others will find this interesting, perhaps a good place to get an usual part. Regards, Dan Elliott 82 300D-T 100kmi Reading like this... The Mercedes-Benz Classic Center in Irvine, California, is the ideal place for owners, collectors, and enthusiasts to connect with this legendary brand. In addition to meticulously restoring and selling classic Mercedes- Benz vehicles, the Classic Center offers appraisals, provides Genuine Mercedes-Benz Classic Parts, and can even host your special event. We look forward to seeing you at the Classic Center - and sharing 120 years of automotive history. Visit the Classic Center and experience the most inspiring collection of vintage Mercedes-Benz vehicles outside the original Classic Center in Fellbach, Germany. Whether you are looking to restore a classic or buy one for your collection, the Classic Center can help meet your needs. Expert restoration and repair services - including spare parts information and sales - are available to assist owners in maintaining the prime condition of their classics to factory standards of originality and preservation. For more details, please call 1-866-MB-CLASSIC (1-866-622-5277). The Classic Center is your source for nearly 40,000 spare parts for classic Mercedes-Benz vehicles - from major assemblies like transmissions to small individual parts for virtually any need. Each product is made to Mercedes-Benz specifications and backed by the same factory limited warranty (12 months, unlimited mileage) that covers parts for brand-new Mercedes-Benz vehicles. We can even access your vehicle's original build sheet and other archival data, free of charge. It's all part of the exceptional customer service you've come to expect from Mercedes-Benz. For more details, please call 1-866-MB-CLASSIC (1-866-622-5277). Please have the following information available when you call: model, model year, and vehicle identification number (VIN). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus
[MBZ] OT: Smart car for US
This month's issue of Winding Road (on-line mag) features the new Smart car, and discusses Penske's plans for bring it to the US. http://www.windingroad.com/ -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Leaky IP
Rusty has the socket. that and a torque wrench is all you need. Order at least one extra oring and copper seal. clean everything in the area very thoroughly before starting. It only takes a speck of grit or even lint to mess up an injector. Applies to OM606 W210.025/OM606.962 delivery valves. Most should apply to OM603 A few weeks ago I was asking about this job... I finished it, and it wasn't that bad (I'm kicking myself for not taking photos though!) It took me less than four hours for this job and that included running out to get the T-40. The 4 hours that the labor guide quotes is generous, certainly... If anyone has any thoughts/comments on this, lemme know. Parts: 7x 603 078 01 41 (Injection pipe clips) 7x 601 078 26 41 (Injection pipe shims--trim them on one side) 2x 601 078 26 41 (Injection pipe clips) 1x 606 141 01 80 (Intake manifold gasket OM 606 only, your gasket may vary) 6x 017 997 41 48 (Bosch 1-460-210-321 O-ring, you may want spares) 6x 004 997 45 40 (Bosch 1-410-105-021 Copper seal washer) (These are the same rings as used on a 602 or 603 engine.) Optional: 6x 001 074 34 93 Delivery valve spring. Tools: -8mm socket or nutrunner -10mm socket -6mm hex bit socket -T-30 socket -T-40 socket -13mm *special* crowsfoot 000 589 77 03 00 -32/33 spline *special* socket 617 589 01 09 00 -a dental pick or similar to aid in removal of seal rings and washers -some sort of zero residue aerosol cleaner (carb cleaner or electronics cleaner) -Torque wrenches capable of 10Nm - 35Nm -A box of rags (like the ones they sell at home depot, Scott Brand) misc extensions and ratchets and adapters (3/8-1/2 bushing, 3/8-1/4 reducer) -a can of clean oil (I used clear fine machine oil) or diesel fuel Instructions: -The first thing you want to do is jack the car up and remove at least the middle underpan (8mm hex head 4 places) -You will need to remove the bolt fastening the charge air cooler pipe to the EGR valve on the bottom of the intake manifold (Mine was missing!) as well as the clamp holding the EGR tube to the manifold/EGR valve (10mm bolt). -Put the car back down on the ground and remove the plastic oversheild on the valve cover (6mm hex bit, 8 screws) -Now is a good time to clean all the accumulated gunk off the top of the engine while everything is still closed up. -Remove the two 10mm bolts securing the oil separator to the top of the engine (over #5 injector) and carefully remove the separator and breather tube. (You might want to stick a bit of rag into the open tube ends on the engine) -Remove the T-40 head manifold bolts (14 places, I think). There is one hiding under the lifting eye back by #5 or #6. -Gently lift the manifold free, disconnecting the vacuum control line and the boost pressure sensing line from the valve. Be cautious of the little plastic clamp on the boost line. You may want to fill the manifold with some cleaner to let it soak while you work -Carefully slide the intake manifold gasket out (to the front of the engine), noting its orientation. -Stuff CLEAN lint-free rags into each intake ports and the intercooler pipe to keep crud out of them. -Clean off the top of the injection pump (carb cleaner, etc). -Make a diagram of where the injection lines go, and more importantly, how the various clips attach to them. Take note of how the first two lines run around the low pressure fuel and injection bypass hoses. -Remove all of the clips from the injection lines. 80% or more will likely break. -Loosen the injection line nuts and remove the injection lines. The special crowsfoot (13mm) above really makes it much easier on the engine side. -Remove the three T-30 screws that secure the delivery valve lock rings to the injection pump. Take note of how the lock rings are laying on the pump. -Remove all of the lock rings. -Clean the top of the IP again--pay special attention to around the delivery valves. *** -Using the special spline socket, loosen the first delivery valve holder. Unscrew it by hand and SLOWLY lift the valve holder, being careful to not let the spring get lost/drop out or pull the valve from inside the pump. -Use the (CLEAN) pick to remove the copper seal ring from the top of the assembly that was under the valve holder. -Carefully lower a new copper seal ring onto the assembly. Try to keep the ring and assembly more or less centered within the bore -Remove the O-ring from the outside of the valve holder. Use carb cleaner or similar to clean all the crud off the outside of the body (don't flush it inside!) -Fit a new O-Ring onto the delivery valve body. Put a few drops of oin on the threads of the valve and on each side of the O-Ring, ensuring that the ring is well-oiled. -Thread the delivery valve body into the IP by hand, being cautious of the valve assembly and the spring. (The spring should seat on top of the valve assembly into the pump), and the O-ring should not be pinched. -Using a torque wrench and the spline socket,
Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D
Wha??? I almost never come to a complete stop before shifting from R to D... My Dodge Dakota (AT) has almost 200,000 miles on it and the trans still pulls strong and shifts good. The guys a the quickielube place say it shifts hard but I honestly don't notice or care. My wife has a nasty habit of shifting into R before ending forward movement which drives me up the wall. She doesn't even know she's doing it, I cry out in anguish when she does it and I get the blank stare what? Come to think of it my dad does the same shifting thing that I do, neither of us have had any trans trouble on any car with 2 exceptions. #A When the 1st gear synchro went out of my '88 GMC Jimmy (manual trans, 5spd) but it'd always popped out of gear occasionally. I think it had a bad synchro from the factory which we should have reported. #2 When I had the trans replaced on my 240D (manual trans) for what I'm now convinced was a squealing center bearing. Other than that and regular maintenance I can't think of any trans trouble in any of our family vehicles ever... You know who tend to be hard on transmissions I bet? Bulldozer drivers. Bulldozer transmissions of today are amazing things, throw it into forward up to full speed, whack it into reverse full speed, back to forward. All so hard you can hurt your neck and it'll work like that for years and years... Pretty near magic if you ask me. -Curt Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:10:26 -0400 From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Drivable on Modern Roads, was 240D To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original You are correct in your assumption that shifting into D before coming to a complete stop in R is a bad thing. It's been one of the more emphazised warnings in all Owners Manuals. Not only are the univ joints stressed in the worst possible way, the AT is not designed for that kind of abuse. At the least it can slip/burn clutches, at worst it can break something. Your observation about people's personal opinion of their driving abilty is sadly true also. Passing a 20 question drivers license quiz and being able to parallel park is not enough. I wish each state would require at a minimum a Defensive Driving Course such as offered by Bob Bondurant and others. I'd also like the test to require a better knowledge of driving laws - at the top of my list would be, the left laneis for *Passing* not cruising. Just as important, when merging the driver *must* keep moving as fast as possible - with the applicant being told how much easier it is to merge into 55mph traffic while going 50mph than from a standing start. Re-testing every 5 years would emphasize the need to stay aware of new laws and to keep skills up. By new laws I mean: in Va they passed a law stating if conditions require windshield wipers, the headlights shall also be turned on. OK - rant off. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar 26 13:47:14 2007 Received: from host337.ipowerweb.com ([72.22.69.22]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HVpXW-0003Js-Mh for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:47:14 + Received: (qmail 22301 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2007 13:46:12 - Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (206.109.43.202) by host337.ipowerweb.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2007 13:46:12 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:47:15 -0600 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky IP X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe:
Re: [MBZ] Culprit Found
In my experience, they fail more frequently than pencil type. I always spent the bucks to convert to pencil type/parallel glow plugs At 11:08 PM 3/25/2007, you wrote: Some day I will learn to check the simple things first. Sage advice. And do the old loop style GPs *ever* burn out? I think it's fairly rare. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
[MBZ] 96 E320
I am going to look at a 1996 E320 that is for sale locally. It has the I6 DOHC engine. It looks nice from the pictures. Please give me your opinions on this model, as I have no experience with it. Thanks, Tom Potter
Re: [MBZ] w 108 wheel bearing noise
Thanks Peter Absolutely agree that it is a bearing induced noise. Complete new bearings with supplied races were installed and I felt quite sure that the problem would be resolved . As I asked earlier -could it be the bearing at the output end of the diff. .connectiong to the drive shaft.? I have not replaced this one. Its isolating the area,but its impossible to do so while driving as the noise is omnidirectional. mak - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] w 108 wheel bearing noise Mak: Almost has to be a bearing or bearing housing, or something that only rubs when the weight of the car is on the wheels. The left rear bearing is OK, the right one is pure pain, I think I'm out of ideas -- look for something that moves and interferes with the wheels or tires when the car is sitting down. Also, did you change the bearing race in the hub when you did the front bearings? It's not always in the box with the bearing, sometimes you have to get it separately, and if it was bad, a new bearing will sound just as bad as the old one as the race is still bad and rough. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007 4:36 PM
Re: [MBZ] columbus CL 450SEL
They look pretty cool from about 50 feet, so much so that I occasionally l*st after them despite the realities. On 3/26/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO such a car is not worth restoring because 1) valve job is surely needed soon ($3,000), 2) crappy interiors (thin wood and leather), 3) poor fuel economy, 4) dash is probably cracked and looks oogy, 5) they usually stink of stale tobacco smoke, and 6) poor fuel economy and overall technology is passe. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wierd Buzzer
Buckle up? On 3/26/07, B Dike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: W115'ers The 74 240D is running great...except for the buzzer...which goes on when I brake hard, and sometimes when I depress the clutch, but it goes off when I shift into neutral (4 speed manual)! One must put the car in gear sooner or later, after all, so it's a bit of a bother. What is it trying to tell me? V/R, Bruce 82 300CD 348kmi 'His' 85 300CD 253kmi 'Hers' 75 240D 202kmi 'Donner' 77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen' gone to a better place 74 240D 79kmi 'Orangewagen' 73 220D 'Fnu Lnu' - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W140 ??
OK, have a few questions regarding the W140 S Class (S500). I'm looking for a car for my Dad. I've looked at a few older W126 models, but most are either rough, unknown history, or the old tin worm is starting to get to them. I've looked around for a SDL, but not many around up here. I know there has been much negative stuff said about the old W140, but I've always loved the look of the car. Also, they seem to have depreciated pretty fast compared to some other models. Ok, the questions. What is the going range for a nice S500? What were the real problems with these cars, and did they infact have that many problems, or was most of it due to lact of maintance? I mean, were there problems with the important things like the engine, trans etc, or was it more fiddly things like the auto door close latch, and similar toys?What are some of the problem areas on these cars? My dad does very few miles now that he's retired, but I'd like a big safe comfortable car for him and Mum. Gas mileage is not a really big issue. I now a coulpe of guys sell parts on the list, and there are a few mail order places listed too. Any of you guys carry parts for the old W140? Also, any places in Canada selling parts, other than the dealer? I've seen a S500s around lately. Can anyone recommend a used car place in Toronto for such cars. The few I've seen at the dealer are WAY above what them seem to go for in the market, and they weren't even anything extra special. Thanks for any help, suggestions and advise. Ed
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz classic car center
They are very helpful, although I do miss the website pricelist service. On 3/26/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are supposed to help world-wide. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz classic car center Will they help non US residents I wonder? Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 August 2006 09:55 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz classic car center My understanding is they've been around for a while atleast since 2001 Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz classic car center Just be careful - they gave me the wrong part number for my 83 300TD rear bumper. Really had Rusty confused for awhile. On 8/27/06, dan elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, Not sure if this made the list but I read in a magazine that MB was opening the first manufacturer backed classic car center in Inrvine CA. The center will offer sales, restoration and search assistance for models 20 years and older. I did a google search and sure enough I came up with http://www.mbusa.com/heritage/classic-center- california.do Hope others will find this interesting, perhaps a good place to get an usual part. Regards, Dan Elliott 82 300D-T 100kmi Reading like this... The Mercedes-Benz Classic Center in Irvine, California, is the ideal place for owners, collectors, and enthusiasts to connect with this legendary brand. In addition to meticulously restoring and selling classic Mercedes- Benz vehicles, the Classic Center offers appraisals, provides Genuine Mercedes-Benz Classic Parts, and can even host your special event. We look forward to seeing you at the Classic Center - and sharing 120 years of automotive history. Visit the Classic Center and experience the most inspiring collection of vintage Mercedes-Benz vehicles outside the original Classic Center in Fellbach, Germany. Whether you are looking to restore a classic or buy one for your collection, the Classic Center can help meet your needs. Expert restoration and repair services - including spare parts information and sales - are available to assist owners in maintaining the prime condition of their classics to factory standards of originality and preservation. For more details, please call 1-866-MB-CLASSIC (1-866-622-5277). The Classic Center is your source for nearly 40,000 spare parts for classic Mercedes-Benz vehicles - from major assemblies like transmissions to small individual parts for virtually any need. Each product is made to Mercedes-Benz specifications and backed by the same factory limited warranty (12 months, unlimited mileage) that covers parts for brand-new Mercedes-Benz vehicles. We can even access your vehicle's original build sheet and other archival data, free of charge. It's all part of the exceptional customer service you've come to expect from Mercedes-Benz. For more details, please call 1-866-MB-CLASSIC (1-866-622-5277). Please have the following information available when you call: model, model year, and vehicle identification number (VIN). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or
Re: [MBZ] columbus CL 450SEL
My Dad had a 450 SEL back when they were new ('80) model and it was a great
car. Other than that, and an SL for a while, he was an American car buy. I
never forgot those doors, or how the seats felt, or how you could hit a bump
and still comtinue along in a straight line, compared to our Caddy's and
other boats. A friend had an SD version, and it's still around, in his
Grandson's hands now. Build like a tank, very little rust even after all
these years of Canadian winters. I've love to find a nice one. Ours was
gray with dark blue interior. And those 6.9s were yummy. :-) I had dreams
for a long time about stuffing a 6.9 in a short wheelbase model, and doing
the period correct AMG treatment on it. hee hee. I even have a copy of an
old AMG catalog, back before Mercedes owned them. Remember the Hammer
days?? :-)
Ed
On 26/03/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They look pretty cool from about 50 feet, so much so that I occasionally
l*st after them despite the realities.
On 3/26/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IMHO such a car is not worth restoring because 1) valve job is surely
needed soon ($3,000), 2) crappy interiors (thin wood and leather), 3)
poor fuel economy, 4) dash is probably cracked and looks oogy, 5) they
usually stink of stale tobacco smoke, and 6) poor fuel economy and
overall technology is passe.
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?
-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Leaky IP
Thanks Loren! Ralph W. '83 300CD '82 300TD (2 parts wagons) '90 300D '01 E320 Wagon '87 300TD
Re: [MBZ] Wierd Buzzer
In a message dated 3/25/2007 11:25:54 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The 74 240D is running great...except for the buzzer...which goes on when I brake hard, and sometimes when I depress the clutch, but it goes off when I shift into neutral (4 speed manual)! One must put the car in gear sooner or later, after all, so it's a bit of a bother. What is it trying to tell me? Bruce, The 74's did have some weird circuitry and starter interlock involving the seat belts. Most people had the interlock bypassed but the buzzer may still remain in the circuit. I bet your passenger front seat is triggering the buzzer, especially if you throw a book or other object on the seat. Try latching the seat belt together and see if the problem goes away. You can unplug the seat belt wiring at a two pole connector under each front seat Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 147 K miles ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Smart car for US
On 3/26/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This month's issue of Winding Road (on-line mag) features the new Smart car, and discusses Penske's plans for bring it to the US. http://www.windingroad.com/ A dealer here in Portland, Ore. (http://www.oswegoluxury.com/) has been selling the previous-generation model for a couple of months. Gray market of course. Apparently they are flying off the lot despite the $10K+ markup for EPA/DOT/XYZ certification. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper
Re: [MBZ] W140 ??
On Mar 26, 2007, at 9:59 AM, E M wrote: Pricing is $10-25K What are some of the problem areas on these cars? Ohh nice car, timeless, wonderful to drive any distance, mind I have a bias opinion. Quite easy to spend $5K on repairs without blinking. I see mercedes canada only has 3 for sale, $24-28k. Look for a 98/99 they have all the toys and some of the engineering issues worked out, that might delay some fixes by a couple of years as compared to a 92-93 era. engine harness, that replaced? A/C evaporator? (big$) electronic throttle actuator (ASR system) comes with non-oem- replacable potentiometer that wears, entire unit$ I'm sure... door/trunk vacuum pump works?. Long list, which is why depreciated so much I'm sure, still if you had 410K set aside for repairs and not twitch over it, you can have a nice comfy car. Still you might find a nice example maintained by someone who certainly won't get his resale value out of it, no mine is not for sale... My dad does very few miles now that he's retired, but I'd like a big safe comfortable car for him and Mum. Gas mileage is not a really big issue. John 1983 300TDt 384k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 189k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 184k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
Re: [MBZ] 96 E320
Tom Potter wrote: I am going to look at a 1996 E320 that is for sale locally. It has the I6 DOHC engine. It looks nice from the pictures. Please give me your opinions on this model, as I have no experience with it. There are others on the list that have more knowledge about these cars. But, I will throw in my .2. These cars have some fairly consistent corrosion problems. Look at the front shock towers - I think a lot of them rust out and the nothing holds the shock in place. I think this is also included in the line of cars that has the biodegradable wiring harness - I have heard that is an expensive repair. I think the engines are great and return some fairly spectacular mileage. I don't recall whether these cars have the evap/ac problem also or if that is just the latest model 124s and 140s Despite all these problems, I think the owners of them are very happy with them. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 136K
Re: [MBZ] OT: Smart car for US
On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On 3/26/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This month's issue of Winding Road (on-line mag) features the new Smart car, and discusses Penske's plans for bring it to the US. http://www.windingroad.com/ I think the most interesting statistic was that 50% of the Canadian owners live in rural areas. Shall I take the F150 diesel dually that gets like 10 mpg, or the wife's Smart that gets 60 mpg when I run into town to pickup the mail? I'm sure the decision is the old sleep dog finds it easier on his bones to step down into the Smart, versus being pushed up into the crew cab? John 1983 300TDt 384K Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 189K Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 184K Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
Re: [MBZ] W140 ??
On 3/26/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The few I've seen at the dealer are WAY above what them seem to go for in the market, and they weren't even anything extra special. Might be worth it, considering that new-car dealers tend to keep only the best trade-ins to sell themselves and auction the rest off. A 140 is definitely the kind of car where the buy the best one you can afford rule applies---no way are you going to be able to save money fixing up a neglected example like you might with a 123. Where I live I bet you could find a tired 500SEL for $8,000 or a really nice one for $18,000 (just pulling numbers out of the air to make a point, but they're probably close enough). Either way you would end up spending $25,000 total when you'd fixed what needed to be fixed. The difference is that the car that cost less originally is going to be a lot rougher around the edges---when all's said and done you have a nice-driving but ratty car for the same price as a nice-driving, nice-looking one. (I am half-seriously shopping for an E34 chassis BMW right now and finding pretty much the same thing to be true. Prices range from $2 -10K, but the $2K ones need a LOT more work.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper
Re: [MBZ] Leaky IP
thank John Reames! He did most of the work. Compressed air is best for cleaning the iP deck and delivery valve fittings. If you back out the delivery valves a turn or two, there is residual dirt the o-ring will bring up after you have cleaned all you can. At this point, clean the deck again. Even a compressed air can (computer cleaner) is better than no air. In a pinch, when no compressor is available, I have even used soda straws to get a little low pressure air right at the deck where the delivery valve body goes in. Also, the orings often disintegrate and leave black crumbs in spite of your best cleaning. Fish out all the pieces you can once the valve is out. take care not to loose the little delivery valve pins. If you order replacement springs, then it it is no big deal if a spring drops out on disassembly. At 12:11 PM 3/26/2007, you wrote: Thanks Loren! Ralph W. '83 300CD '82 300TD (2 parts wagons) '90 300D '01 E320 Wagon '87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] OT: Smart car for US
There's a local Chevy dealer selling them, and they seem to be selling very well! There were 4 on the lot Thursday, and all but one of them were gone yesterday. I want to go feel one up when I get a chance. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266K miles, Ursula
[MBZ] Noise from upper left front suspension area - '84 300D
I've recently been experiencing a noise which seems to be emanation from the upper left front suspension area and seems to be on the rebound cylce when encountering bumps (Note: The bumps do not need to be very large to cause this). Sometimes there will be just one knock/rot sound, and other times there will be a rot-a-tot sound. I jacked her up and removed the left front wheel this afternoon but did not see anything visually obvious and could not move anything in the suspension by hand (too tight). Any ideas? TIA. G. M. Brown Rochester, NY
Re: [MBZ] Noise from upper left front suspension area - '84 300D
I had a strange noise that turned out to be a slightly loose brake caliper... a quick and easy thing to check :-) Others will probably want to know what year and chassis your car is too... John '79 300SD Glenn Brown wrote: I've recently been experiencing a noise which seems to be emanation from the upper left front suspension area and seems to be on the rebound cylce when encountering bumps (Note: The bumps do not need to be very large to cause this). Sometimes there will be just one knock/rot sound, and other times there will be a rot-a-tot sound. I jacked her up and removed the left front wheel this afternoon but did not see anything visually obvious and could not move anything in the suspension by hand (too tight). Any ideas? TIA. G. M. Brown Rochester, NY ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Noise from upper left front suspension area - '84 300D
Others will probably want to know what year and chassis your car is too... I should probably read the whole subject line...
Re: [MBZ] OT: Smart car for US
So long as your neighbor in his F250 doesn't run over you in your Smart car, you will be fine. I know they are built strong and you just bounce like a basket ball rather than get squished like a bug but I'm getting old and I don't bounce as well as I once did. I still prefer more car around me thankyou. If I decide to step down into something smaller, I want a Jetta TDI. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John M McIntosh Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 12:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Smart car for US On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On 3/26/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This month's issue of Winding Road (on-line mag) features the new Smart car, and discusses Penske's plans for bring it to the US. http://www.windingroad.com/ I think the most interesting statistic was that 50% of the Canadian owners live in rural areas. Shall I take the F150 diesel dually that gets like 10 mpg, or the wife's Smart that gets 60 mpg when I run into town to pickup the mail? I'm sure the decision is the old sleep dog finds it easier on his bones to step down into the Smart, versus being pushed up into the crew cab? John 1983 300TDt 384K Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 189K Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 184K Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] VIN / Carfax
Would somebody with a carfax account be willing to run a VIN check for me? WDBCB20A7DB040628 should be a 83 300SD Thanks Roger _ Interest Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18466moid=7581
Re: [MBZ] W140 ??
Thanks John, I appreciate your views and pointers. I do a lot of the servicing on my own cars and have a few friends who are pretty good with such things, and they have access to shops. I know I'll pay extra for some of the parts, I just don't want to get into something where you pay silly money for things. I have no desire to be Mercedes R and D department. I already work for Porsche in that role. :-) The whole process of finding a good used benz is becoming frustrating. Either they are old junkers, or expensive new stuff which I don't think for the most part are very good quality. If I have to drive something that's going to break, I'd rather stand in line with my wallet out at the Chev parts counter than the Benz counter. hee hee :-) I've even asked a small dealer friend to help me out. If I con't find something within the next couple of months, I think I'll have to give up on the used benz idea. Thanks again for your help John, appreciate it. Ed On 26/03/07, John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 26, 2007, at 9:59 AM, E M wrote: Pricing is $10-25K What are some of the problem areas on these cars? Ohh nice car, timeless, wonderful to drive any distance, mind I have a bias opinion. Quite easy to spend $5K on repairs without blinking. I see mercedes canada only has 3 for sale, $24-28k. Look for a 98/99 they have all the toys and some of the engineering issues worked out, that might delay some fixes by a couple of years as compared to a 92-93 era. engine harness, that replaced? A/C evaporator? (big$) electronic throttle actuator (ASR system) comes with non-oem- replacable potentiometer that wears, entire unit$ I'm sure... door/trunk vacuum pump works?. Long list, which is why depreciated so much I'm sure, still if you had 410K set aside for repairs and not twitch over it, you can have a nice comfy car. Still you might find a nice example maintained by someone who certainly won't get his resale value out of it, no mine is not for sale... My dad does very few miles now that he's retired, but I'd like a big safe comfortable car for him and Mum. Gas mileage is not a really big issue. John 1983 300TDt 384k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 189k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 184k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W140 ??
Hi Alex, I agree, I've always tried to find the best example I can when shopping used. I find it's always cheaper and I end up with a car I'm proud of. I see very few at the dealers now, and I check today in ON showed zero. guess they are getting on somewhat for a dealer to stock. I've looked at a few BMWs too, but the same problem...questionable service history, or off lease at the dealer, and almost silly money for what the market really is. I do like BMWs but a few friends have had real dogs! When you get into a bad one, I think the ride and cost is almost as bad as with a benz. As I mentioned in a previous post, if I don't have any luck over the next couple of months, may just shop Merican. No, not an old benz, but what is? hee hee. I'd like to find a nice clean well maintained benz with lower miles and just pay a good buck for it, but when you really start to look, not that many out there. Guess people want to hang on to a good thing. Thanks for your help and advise Alex Ed On 26/03/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/26/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The few I've seen at the dealer are WAY above what them seem to go for in the market, and they weren't even anything extra special. Might be worth it, considering that new-car dealers tend to keep only the best trade-ins to sell themselves and auction the rest off. A 140 is definitely the kind of car where the buy the best one you can afford rule applies---no way are you going to be able to save money fixing up a neglected example like you might with a 123. Where I live I bet you could find a tired 500SEL for $8,000 or a really nice one for $18,000 (just pulling numbers out of the air to make a point, but they're probably close enough). Either way you would end up spending $25,000 total when you'd fixed what needed to be fixed. The difference is that the car that cost less originally is going to be a lot rougher around the edges---when all's said and done you have a nice-driving but ratty car for the same price as a nice-driving, nice-looking one. (I am half-seriously shopping for an E34 chassis BMW right now and finding pretty much the same thing to be true. Prices range from $2 -10K, but the $2K ones need a LOT more work.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Noise from upper left front suspension area - '84 300D
Loose/worn shock. Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Brown Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 3:34 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Noise from upper left front suspension area - '84 300D I've recently been experiencing a noise which seems to be emanation from the upper left front suspension area and seems to be on the rebound cylce when encountering bumps (Note: The bumps do not need to be very large to cause this). Sometimes there will be just one knock/rot sound, and other times there will be a rot-a-tot sound. I jacked her up and removed the left front wheel this afternoon but did not see anything visually obvious and could not move anything in the suspension by hand (too tight). Any ideas? TIA. G. M. Brown Rochester, NY ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VIN / Carfax
Carfax checks this out as a 1987 Yugo. On 3/26/07, Roger Conlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would somebody with a carfax account be willing to run a VIN check for me? WDBCB20A7DB040628 should be a 83 300SD Thanks Roger _ Interest Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18466moid=7581 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] When to use Mobil 1 after engine rebuild
4th. Don't lug it, but you do need to have it under high load at medium speed. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Noise from upper left front suspension area - '84 300D
Check the sway bar mount and upper control arm (very short). The bolt can break, or worse, the sway bar end can break off, causing a clatter or kloing sound as the bar catches, then vibrates free -- a muffled ringing noise. Peter
[MBZ] Extended Warranty Providers
Anybody have any opinions on Auto One Warranty Specialists. I am contemplating getting an extended warranty from them on my granddaughter's vehicle. If you are not familiar with this one, is there an extended warranty provider that you recommend? Thanks, Tom Potter
