date:20070904

 We don't talk about cleaning injectors, just replacing them.

Yeah, so far as I know if a dose of Techron doesn't do
it then you have to replace them.  Though I imagine they
could by physically cleaned, I don't think anybody does
it.  These are 'cheap' injectors compared to diesel nozzles
or other active injectors.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Om603 Vacuum pump failure indicators

 Is there any way to tell if an OM603 vacuum pump is about to fail , eg
 oil in vacuum lines etc/ noisy ?

Not really.  If they're noisy then sure, but that's what's so
insidious about these pumps.  No warning sometimes.  If the
cover is loose and leaking then it's time, but that isn't
actually the dangerous failure mechanism.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OM603 introduction - observations

 2. Steering does not centre correctly especially when cold. It tries to
 centre but does not go all the way - could this be a steering box
 overhaul??

Could be somebody over-tightened the steering box.  Might
not hurt to loosen it a bit and see what happens.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 560 back on the road, almost

2007-09-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work

yes, it is electronic, I checked the fuse, it is fine.  The rest of the 
instruments work fine, just the speedo/odo.

---
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730 FSBO Supervisor

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 Dont see why it would die though from just
 sitting.  Anybody got any ideas there?

 FUSES!!!???  Does it have an electronic spedo like the 300SD?

 Kevin in Portland, OR
 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula
 2006 Sprinter PV 1.5K miles, The Box, outfitted with a trailer hitch and
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Re: [MBZ] [MBZ[ 560 back on the road, almost



Jim Cathey wrote:
 
  We don't talk about cleaning injectors, just replacing them.
 
 Yeah, so far as I know if a dose of Techron doesn't do
 it then you have to replace them.  Though I imagine they
 could by physically cleaned, I don't think anybody does
 it. 

My local diesel shop used to run my Saab CIS (K-jetronic)
injectors through the ultrasonic bath for a couple $$ each. 
Not sure if Techron (if it existed in the 1980s) would have
done the same thing. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] [MBZ[ 560 back on the road, almost

2007-09-04 Thread Tom Hargrave

Mercedes CIS injectors are just poppet valves and the orifice wears out,
causing 2 issues - an uneven spray pattern at idle and/or fuel system
pressure leak down after shut-off. You will feel the first at idle and the
second will show as slow starts. The second can also be tested for - your
system should hold a minimum pressure 8 minutes (from memory). If it does
not then you probably have an injector leaking down.

No amount of anyone's cleaner will fix' this - if you suspect them, replace
them.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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 We don't talk about cleaning injectors, just replacing them.

Yeah, so far as I know if a dose of Techron doesn't do
it then you have to replace them.  Though I imagine they
could by physically cleaned, I don't think anybody does
it.  These are 'cheap' injectors compared to diesel nozzles
or other active injectors.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Om603 Vacuum pump failure indicators



Peter Merle wrote:
 
 Is there any way to tell if an OM603 vacuum pump is about to fail , eg
 oil in vacuum lines etc/ noisy ?

Here in USA, if the pump has the old style cover (the old ones are
riveted and the new ones retained by screws if I remember correctly)
and the engine has significant miles on it, we consider the pump, as
expensive as it is, to be a preventive maintenance item, like an oil
change.

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Re: [MBZ] Om603 Vacuum pump failure indicators

2007-09-04 Thread Tom Hargrave

The dangerous failure mode is when the internal drive roller mechanism fails
and it takes the front surface of the IP timing mechanism with it. The
Manufacturer designed an updated vacuum pump that solves the problem. I
replaced mine at 250,000 miles and the original looked like new. But this is
when you want to replace one, once the damage starts it's too late.

Thanks,
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Om603 Vacuum pump failure indicators

 Is there any way to tell if an OM603 vacuum pump is about to fail , eg
 oil in vacuum lines etc/ noisy ?

Not really.  If they're noisy then sure, but that's what's so
insidious about these pumps.  No warning sometimes.  If the
cover is loose and leaking then it's time, but that isn't
actually the dangerous failure mechanism.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Now climate

2007-09-04 Thread billr

Wasn't the story on Gore and the Internet traced back to a comment that he was 
one of the senators who authorized funding for some of the initial 
infrastructure that allowed the Internet to be started?  I know that is not 
nearly as much fun to say, but like most politics I find little more than a 
hint of truth in it - at least make sure of 'facts' prior to endless repeating 
of propaganda on either side. All that seems to make the chat circut is spin. 
BillR  

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From: Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sep 3, 2007 9:23 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Now climate

On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel

Meanwhile, the West is burning up, there are record heat waves, and
the French wine grape harvest is starting 2 months earlier than it was
in the 70s.  It's far more likely that Al Gore will be remembered as a
visionary rather than the butt of jokes.

On 9/3/07, Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 OMGwhat will algore do for a living?  Guess all his carbon credits
will
 be pretty much worthless soon.

 RE


 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 H, that is one inconvenient truth!

 --R


Let's seeinvented the internet, was the inspiration for Love
Storysomehow I don't see algore being remembered as anything but a
joke.

RE


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Re: [MBZ] Om603 Vacuum pump failure indicators

2007-09-04 Thread John Robbins

Tom Hargrave wrote:
 The dangerous failure mode is when the internal drive roller mechanism fails
 and it takes the front surface of the IP timing mechanism with it. The
 Manufacturer designed an updated vacuum pump that solves the problem. I
 replaced mine at 250,000 miles and the original looked like new. But this is
 when you want to replace one, once the damage starts it's too late.

And it can also drop ball bearings into the timing chain.  :(

John


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[MBZ] Motorbike fixed

Went for a ride last night and realized I'd never written the end of the story 
on my CB900.
The new brushes work fine, after about 15 miles the volt meter was sitting 
where I thought it should. Charging the battery prior to the ride probably 
would have made things look right sooner but pulling the battery on that bike 
is a pain...

I did end up making a gasket for the stator cover which seems to have worked 
out just fine. The truth will show up if I get caught in the rain. I suppose I 
could test it with the the hose but...
Its funny while I was tracing out the new gasket I kept thinking I was 
accidentally making it too big, when it was on though it looked too small. Once 
the bolts snugged up everything was just right. Wierd.

-Curt

   
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[MBZ] gullwing on the way back from Petsmart

Driving down Ward Parkway (posh), there was a pristine red (of course) 
gullwing, with both doors open and NOBODY around parked in this fellow's 
driveway. I was flabbergasted. Just sitting there on display forthe cars 
driving by? Circled back and blocked a lane of traffic to admire it. Had three 
of the girls with me who all thought the doors were very cool, of course.

Chris




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Re: [MBZ] OM603 introduction - observations

2007-09-04 Thread Peter Merle

Which direction do you loosen it , anticlockwise ? I know some boxes
work in the opposite sense to what one would expect.
Peter

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Sent: 04 September 2007 15:00
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 introduction - observations

 2. Steering does not centre correctly especially when cold. It tries 
 to centre but does not go all the way - could this be a steering box 
 overhaul??

Could be somebody over-tightened the steering box.  Might
not hurt to loosen it a bit and see what happens.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] gullwing on the way back from Petsmart

2007-09-04 Thread Sunil Hari

pictures?

On 9/4/07, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Driving down Ward Parkway (posh), there was a pristine red (of course)
 gullwing, with both doors open and NOBODY around parked in this fellow's
 driveway. I was flabbergasted. Just sitting there on display forthe cars
 driving by? Circled back and blocked a lane of traffic to admire it. Had
 three of the girls with me who all thought the doors were very cool, of
 course.

 Chris




 Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
 Anke (Yanke von der Burg Austerlitz), German Shepherd
 Sammy (Zane von der Burg Austerlitz), German Shepherd
 Nanook, Siberian Husky
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 -1985 300SD, 227K miles, Wulf
 -1982 300Dt, 118K miles, little blue klatter box

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Re: [MBZ] OM603 introduction - observations

 Which direction do you loosen it , anticlockwise ? I know some boxes
 work in the opposite sense to what one would expect.

Clockwise loosens it.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Om603 Vacuum pump failure indicators

 Here in USA, if the pump has the old style cover (the old ones are
 riveted and the new ones retained by screws if I remember correctly)

The old style has a crimped-on cover.  The new is crimped
_and_ screwed.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] gullwing on the way back from Petsmart

 gullwing, with both doors open and NOBODY around

He'd gone to get groceries in it and managed to spill a
gallon of milk.  He'd hosed it out and was letting it dry?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Om603 Vacuum pump failure indicators


Jim typed:

crimped_and_ screwed.

That describes me on most days

Bob R.




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Re: [MBZ] Now climate

2007-09-04 Thread LarryT

IIRC, he wasn't a member of the Senate when that funding was approved.  His 
father perhaps.
But my memory may be faulty -

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 Wasn't the story on Gore and the Internet traced back to a comment that he 
 was one of the senators who authorized funding for some of the initial 
 infrastructure that allowed the Internet to be started?  I know that is 
 not nearly as much fun to say, but like most politics I find little more 
 than a hint of truth in it - at least make sure of 'facts' prior to 
 endless repeating of propaganda on either side. All that seems to make the 
 chat circut is spin.
 BillR

 -Original Message-
From: Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sep 3, 2007 9:23 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Now climate

On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel

Meanwhile, the West is burning up, there are record heat waves, and
the French wine grape harvest is starting 2 months earlier than it was
in the 70s.  It's far more likely that Al Gore will be remembered as a
visionary rather than the butt of jokes.

On 9/3/07, Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 OMGwhat will algore do for a living?  Guess all his carbon credits
will
 be pretty much worthless soon.

 RE


 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 H, that is one inconvenient truth!

 --R


Let's seeinvented the internet, was the inspiration for Love
Storysomehow I don't see algore being remembered as anything but a
joke.

RE


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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D over heating

2007-09-04 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr

Tom,
I trust you have checked coolant and engine oil for cross contamination?
How hot does it get?  As posted earlier, my 79 240D has been creeping up
over the past year to where it runs 215F under load or acceleration-seems to
be consensus that I need a citric acid flush and get rid of the green stuff.

Did you get your dash dried out?
Dwight

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1979 240D-250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles
Wickford, RI-

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Subject: [MBZ] 1979 240D over heating

car has 132,000 miles.  Have what appears to be a blown head gasket.  Trying

to locate cause for over heating and the root of the problem.
Question, how does one know water pump is working right. or at all by 
looking?  No strange sounds of broken impellars
Belts are tight and turn.
Pumrp was replaced 5,000 miles ago.  No leaks.  Thermostate tested shrinks 
and expands when heated.
Radiator cap is fine.  Hoses fine.  Radiator clean.
thanks Tom Scordato 



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Re: [MBZ] Was Now climate now Carbon Credits


As a tree farmer I've seriously considered selling credits. I've got ~60 acres 
left to plant, it'd be nice to raise money for a mechanical planter.
We plant about 1000 trees a year, with a mechanical planter we could do 1000 
trees a DAY.

Its about $2000 that I hate to part with. We could plant the entire property in 
about a month if we had it (and could then afford the trees).
I don't know about resale value, you don't see them for sale very often.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 09:54:27 -0500
From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] Was  Now climate now Carbon Credits
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

I have a great idea - I can sell everyone carbon credits.

I'll sell carbon credits, based on your estimated driving over the next
 year
for $0.005 (half cent) per mile  I'll even issue an official looking
certificate. The certificate will be issued by the Carbon Credit
 Authority
of North Alabama and will give you permission to drive your Mercedes
 for up
to the miles recorded, not to exceed one year from the date issued. But
drive over and you will be subject to a penalty of $1,000, payable in
 the
form of US Dollars or recyclable engine oil or cut, delivered  stacked
firewood.

I'll even make this legal by donating a small (very small) portion of
 the
profit to some disserving third world country, probably China or
 California.

Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] 220?


When I commuted in the 240D I used to see how long I could hold it to the 
governor.
I used to work 11am to 8pm and 495 at 8pm was pretty empty. I had to 12 miles 
on it.
At 87mph it was no big deal.

I have yet to find myself with enough open space, time and daring to hit the 
97mph listed top speed on my 190D.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 11:54:01 -0400
From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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i once got the speedo to read 90 on my 220D.  i was flying!

On 9/3/07, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Maybe, instead of hitting 220mph in a '68, what he meant to say was
 he hit
 68mph in a 220...

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Re: [MBZ] gullwing on the way back from Petsmart

no pictures. You'll just have to believe me. 

I bought my SD from two doctors that live off Ward Parkway...if you were to see 
a Gullwing in someone's driveway in Kansas City, this would be the place.

Chris



Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pictures?

On 9/4/07, Christopher McCann  wrote:

 Driving down Ward Parkway (posh), there was a pristine red (of course)
 gullwing, with both doors open and NOBODY around parked in this fellow's
 driveway. I was flabbergasted. Just sitting there on display forthe cars
 driving by? Circled back and blocked a lane of traffic to admire it. Had
 three of the girls with me who all thought the doors were very cool, of
 course.

 Chris




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 Sammy (Zane von der Burg Austerlitz), German Shepherd
 Nanook, Siberian Husky
 --
 -1985 300SD, 227K miles, Wulf
 -1982 300Dt, 118K miles, little blue klatter box

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Re: [MBZ] Now climate

2007-09-04 Thread archer

Here's what Gore actually said:
During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in 
creating the Internet.
Gerry

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 IIRC, he wasn't a member of the Senate when that funding was approved. 
 His  father perhaps. But my memory may be faulty -

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 Wasn't the story on Gore and the Internet traced back to a comment that 
 he
 was one of the senators who authorized funding for some of the initial
 infrastructure that allowed the Internet to be started?  I know that is
 not nearly as much fun to say, but like most politics I find little more
 than a hint of truth in it - at least make sure of 'facts' prior to
 endless repeating of propaganda on either side. All that seems to make 
 the
 chat circut is spin.
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Re: [MBZ] gullwing on the way back from Petsmart

2007-09-04 Thread John Robbins

Christopher McCann wrote:
 no pictures. You'll just have to believe me.
 
 I bought my SD from two doctors that live off Ward Parkway...if you
 were to see a Gullwing in someone's driveway in Kansas City, this
 would be the place.

Well, you know where the guy lives... knock on his door sometime.  I'm 
sure he'd love to show it off...   might even get him on the list ;)

John


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Re: [MBZ] Was Now climate now Carbon Credits



Curt Raymond wrote:
 
 As a tree farmer I've seriously considered selling credits. I've got ~60 
 acres left to plant, it'd be nice to raise money for a mechanical planter.
 We plant about 1000 trees a year, with a mechanical planter we could do 1000 
 trees a DAY.

I rent one from my local soil conservation district for $50 a day. It even has
it's own trailer for handy towing to the farm. We planted something like 1400
trees and shrubs with it in one day, they claim 500-800 per hour. I think it
did take us an hour or an hour and a half to do the 500 spruce seedlings. That's
with three people to run the thing. One to drive the tractor, one to ride the
planter, and one to run around like crazy delivering trees from the front end
loader on the tractor to the guy riding the planter. I bet I could make a
planter from a two or three bottom plow frame, removing all but one plow and
welding up a tree planter replacement for the remaining one. I don't think
it's necessary to have a 2' diameter coulter on the plow. 

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Re: [MBZ] I dont know why, but this reminds me of Hurst

Why is he blind?

I think I may have been blinded by the horror

-Curt

Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:39:12 -0500
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Subject: [MBZ] I dont know why, but this reminds me of Hurst
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Re: [MBZ] Was Now climate now Carbon Credits

2007-09-04 Thread archer


- Original Message - 
From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 As a tree farmer I've seriously considered selling credits. I've got ~60 
 acres left to plant, it'd be nice to raise money for a mechanical planter.
 We plant about 1000 trees a year, with a mechanical planter we could do 
 1000 trees a DAY.

 Its about $2000 that I hate to part with. We could plant the entire 
 property in about a month if we had it (and could then afford the trees).
 I don't know about resale value, you don't see them for sale very often.
 -Curt

Do you have a wanted ad on:
http://www.christmastrees.org/classified.htm#Sale
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Re: [MBZ] 220?



Curt Raymond wrote:
 
 I have yet to find myself with enough open space, time and daring to hit the 
 97mph listed top speed on my 190D.

I don't want to explore the top speed of my 190E on a public road. 
Driving it home, some guy in a Golf annoyed me, and I decided to
stomp on it in 5th. Watched the Golf fade in the mirrors, looked at
the speedo and it was in three digits and still rising fast. Oops.

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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D over heating

Can't a blown headgasket cause overheating?

Are you 100% sure it is overhot? Tried an IR therm on the head? Maybe its the 
sensor?

-Curt

Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:55:22 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] 1979 240D over heating
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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car has 132,000 miles.  Have what appears to be a blown head gasket.
  Trying 
to locate cause for over heating and the root of the problem.
Question, how does one know water pump is working right. or at all by 
looking?  No strange sounds of broken impellars
Belts are tight and turn.
Pumrp was replaced 5,000 miles ago.  No leaks.  Thermostate tested
 shrinks 
and expands when heated.
Radiator cap is fine.  Hoses fine.  Radiator clean.
thanks Tom Scordato 

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Re: [MBZ] 560 back on the road, almost

It took me all winter and most of this summer to burn 5 gallons of 2 year old 
snowmobile gas.
Neighbor got a kick out of how smokey my Cub Cadet was...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:13:05 -0400
From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 560 back on the road, almost
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

 Im betting last time it was filled up was with regular.

How long would it take to use a SEL load of gas in the
lawnmower or some non mbz car? I probably should have
run the 190E gas through the mowers, I'd have it gone
by now if I used it that way this year. It wouldn't be
much of a waste to run $2.45 premium in the mowers. 
(less of a waste than if those 20 gallons of 2 year 
old fuel gum up my Bosch KE injection system)

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D over heating

2007-09-04 Thread JFreezn

In a message dated 9/4/2007 7:55:49 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

to  locate cause for over heating and the root of the problem.
Question, how  does one know water pump is working right. or at all by 
looking?  No  strange sounds of broken impellars
Belts are tight and turn.
Pumrp was  replaced 5,000 miles ago.  No leaks.  Thermostate tested shrinks  
and expands when heated.
Radiator cap is fine.  Hoses fine.   Radiator clean.
thanks Tom Scordato 
Verify your indication:


Are you guys actually sure that you are overheating?  Boiling over,  loss of 
coolant, etc.  The first thing I would do is take some non contact  IR 
readings of the engine block, thermostat housing, radiator, etc.  You  can 
borrow one 
or buy one cheap at Harbor Freight!   
 
The other thing to deal with is false readings on your heat gauges.   The 
indicated temperature goes up as the resistance in the sensing circuit goes  
up.  
Merely unplugging and replugging the wire at the  temperature  sensor will 
often restore accuracy.  Nasty old German contact corrosion can  be anywhere in 
the loop.  On my 79, the temperature sensor wiring follows  the glow plug 
wires and there is a plug on the back of the glow plug relay that  can get 
corroded.  Then there is the point where the wires go through the  dash, and 
finally, 
the plug on the back of the instrument cluster.  Start  with the easy ones.
 
Dirty external surfaces of the radiator are often more of a problem than  the 
inside. Most AC equipped MB should have the radiator pulled every few years  
to properly clean them, as the condenser gets in the way inspection and  
cleaning.
 
Don't overlook a weak fan clutch, as this may be slipping too much, and  
causing overheating in slow traffic.  With overheating on the road, at  highway 
speeds, the fan clutch is not a factor
 
Verify your indication!  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
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Re: [MBZ] gullwing on the way back from Petsmart

His driveway gate was open and I really should have pulled in and knocked on 
the door. The SD would have identified me as a friendly (although not quite 
in the same class) and maybe I could have gotten a ride. That would have been 
sweet.

CM


 
John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote:
 no pictures. You'll just have to believe me.
 
 I bought my SD from two doctors that live off Ward Parkway...if you
 were to see a Gullwing in someone's driveway in Kansas City, this
 would be the place.

Well, you know where the guy lives... knock on his door sometime.  I'm 
sure he'd love to show it off...   might even get him on the list ;)

John


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[MBZ] OT Re: Motorbike fixed

2007-09-04 Thread ernest breakfield

Curt,

getting to the battery on my BMW is a pain also (it's up under the 
tank), so i use a set of cables that i connected to the battery and 
terminated in a large capped Anderson connector back under the seat 
where it's more readily accessible. i carry a set of jumper cables that 
are terminated on one end to the same Anderson connector, and the 
combination has made jump starting and charging chores much easier. (the 
alternator on the GS is ridiculously huge; ~6-700W. we've started all 
kinds of things with those bikes, much to the surprise of many stranded 
motorists.)
BMW got smarter on later production units of my same model, and 
actually put a positive battery post out on the side of the engine where 
it could be gotten to more easily...


cheers!
e

'02 GS Adv


Curt Raymond wrote:
 Went for a ride last night and realized I'd never written the end of the 
 story on my CB900.
 The new brushes work fine, after about 15 miles the volt meter was sitting 
 where I thought it should. Charging the battery prior to the ride probably 
 would have made things look right sooner but pulling the battery on that bike 
 is a pain...

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Re: [MBZ] gullwing on the way back from Petsmart



Christopher McCann wrote:
 
 His driveway gate was open and I really should have pulled in and knocked on 
 the door. The SD would have identified me as a friendly (although not quite 
 in the same class) and maybe I could have gotten a ride. That would have been 
 sweet.

What would you do with the three girls? They won't fit in a 300SL's boot.

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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-04 Thread Rusty Cullens

I will tell a very true but long GTO story. I had a 1968 4 speed GTO 
Convertible, no power steering or brakes. I was a freshman at Young Harris 
College in the mountains of North Georgia. 2nd night there I took 3 other 
guys I had known for 2 whole days out for a ride. Well, we were going 70 MPH 
on a road I had never driven and I decided to step on the gas.bad idea. 
We went to 90 MPH faster than you can say oh . Best of all the road bent 
90 degrees. Well, I am still here today, and so are my 3 ex friends but let 
me tell you, what a ride! we flew off a ledge about 7 to 8 feet high, right 
into a small corn field and bounced about 10 times without flipping (the top 
was down). As came to a stop, we got out and surveyed the situation. No way 
to drive up an 8 foot embankment, so we walked through the field until we 
saw a driveway about 100 yards away. I ran back to the car and drove it to 
the driveway smashing corn the entire time. Pulled back onto the road, drove 
back to school at 35 MPH and took stock when we got back. There was Silver 
Queen everywhere it could be in the suspension. I went back the next day to 
survey the scene and there was this little old farmer standing in the field 
scratching his head wondering what type of UFO landed in his corn! It was 
hoot. But the 3 guys never rode with me again, I wonder why?


Rusty Cullens
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- Original Message - 
From: Robert  Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta


 Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story  included from the
 star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present
 company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed,
 those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180...that's
 when it's time to use the last third of the gas pedal travel. We used to
 have a lot of fun with that car out on a dry lake. 220mph+ is an
 interesting feeling :-)
 If they passed a GTO at 120 it's because the guy in the goat didn't
 care, not because the 6.9 is some super car.
 I wonder why he included that little snippet in his ad? I guess it
 didn't help him sell the thing.

 -Robert

 




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Re: [MBZ] gullwing on the way back from Petsmart

Chris dreamed:

and maybe I could have gotten a ride. That would have been sweet.

Probably not with the dog, though...

Bob R.
A dog lover with limits


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Christopher McCann
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 8:48 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] gullwing on the way back from Petsmart

His driveway gate was open and I really should have pulled in and knocked on
the door. The SD would have identified me as a friendly (although not
quite in the same class) and maybe I could have gotten a ride. That would
have been sweet.

CM


 
John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher McCann wrote:
 no pictures. You'll just have to believe me.
 
 I bought my SD from two doctors that live off Ward Parkway...if you
 were to see a Gullwing in someone's driveway in Kansas City, this
 would be the place.

Well, you know where the guy lives... knock on his door sometime.  I'm 
sure he'd love to show it off...   might even get him on the list ;)

John


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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

You're a madman.

Bob R

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:19 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

I will tell a very true but long GTO story. I had a 1968 4 speed GTO 
Convertible, no power steering or brakes. I was a freshman at Young Harris 
College in the mountains of North Georgia. 2nd night there I took 3 other 
guys I had known for 2 whole days out for a ride. Well, we were going 70 MPH

on a road I had never driven and I decided to step on the gas.bad idea. 
We went to 90 MPH faster than you can say oh . Best of all the road bent

90 degrees. Well, I am still here today, and so are my 3 ex friends but let 
me tell you, what a ride! we flew off a ledge about 7 to 8 feet high, right 
into a small corn field and bounced about 10 times without flipping (the top

was down). As came to a stop, we got out and surveyed the situation. No way 
to drive up an 8 foot embankment, so we walked through the field until we 
saw a driveway about 100 yards away. I ran back to the car and drove it to 
the driveway smashing corn the entire time. Pulled back onto the road, drove

back to school at 35 MPH and took stock when we got back. There was Silver 
Queen everywhere it could be in the suspension. I went back the next day to 
survey the scene and there was this little old farmer standing in the field 
scratching his head wondering what type of UFO landed in his corn! It was 
hoot. But the 3 guys never rode with me again, I wonder why?

Rusty Cullens
BuyMBparts, Inc.
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Fax   770-454-9745

- Original Message - 
From: Robert  Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta

 Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story  included from the
 star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present
 company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed,
 those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180...that's
 when it's time to use the last third of the gas pedal travel. We used to
 have a lot of fun with that car out on a dry lake. 220mph+ is an
 interesting feeling :-)
 If they passed a GTO at 120 it's because the guy in the goat didn't
 care, not because the 6.9 is some super car.
 I wonder why he included that little snippet in his ad? I guess it
 didn't help him sell the thing.

 -Robert

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Re: [MBZ] gullwing on the way back from Petsmart

I was thinking about that. Hopefully some woman would have come out and said, 
OH! THey are so cute! Can I give them some cookies while you men talk about 
the car?

I would have been more inclined to stop had I not had a 7, 5 and 4 year old in 
tow.

Chris





Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Christopher McCann wrote:
 
 His driveway gate was open and I really should have pulled in and knocked on 
 the door. The SD would have identified me as a friendly (although not quite 
 in the same class) and maybe I could have gotten a ride. That would have been 
 sweet.

What would you do with the three girls? They won't fit in a 300SL's boot.

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Re: [MBZ] gullwing on the way back from Petsmart

Dogs were not with us as we had to stop at Home Depot and I can't take the dogs 
in and it's too hot to leave them in the car.

I would have gotten a several hundred dollar detailing bill for hair removal!!

Chris



Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris dreamed:

and maybe I could have gotten a ride. That would have been sweet.

Probably not with the dog, though...

Bob R.
A dog lover with limits


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Christopher McCann
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 8:48 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] gullwing on the way back from Petsmart

His driveway gate was open and I really should have pulled in and knocked on
the door. The SD would have identified me as a friendly (although not
quite in the same class) and maybe I could have gotten a ride. That would
have been sweet.

CM


 
John Robbins  wrote: Christopher McCann wrote:
 no pictures. You'll just have to believe me.
 
 I bought my SD from two doctors that live off Ward Parkway...if you
 were to see a Gullwing in someone's driveway in Kansas City, this
 would be the place.

Well, you know where the guy lives... knock on his door sometime.  I'm 
sure he'd love to show it off...   might even get him on the list ;)

John


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Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri 
Anke (Yanke von der Burg Austerlitz), German Shepherd
Sammy (Zane von der Burg Austerlitz), German Shepherd
Nanook, Siberian Husky
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Re: [MBZ] Now climate

2007-09-04 Thread billr

Interresting.  I've heard other versions, few lacking 'spin'.
BillR

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Now climate

Here's what Gore actually said:
During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in 
creating the Internet.
Gerry

- Original Message - 
From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 IIRC, he wasn't a member of the Senate when that funding was approved. 
 His  father perhaps. But my memory may be faulty -

 - Original Message - 
 From: billr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Wasn't the story on Gore and the Internet traced back to a comment that 
 he
 was one of the senators who authorized funding for some of the initial
 infrastructure that allowed the Internet to be started?  I know that is
 not nearly as much fun to say, but like most politics I find little more
 than a hint of truth in it - at least make sure of 'facts' prior to
 endless repeating of propaganda on either side. All that seems to make 
 the
 chat circut is spin.
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Re: [MBZ] Now climate

I'll felt sorry for him (AlGore) when he was on Oprah hawking his little
moviehe looked and acted pathetic. Very cheesy.

Bob R.

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Interresting.  I've heard other versions, few lacking 'spin'.
BillR

-Original Message-
From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Now climate

Here's what Gore actually said:
During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in 
creating the Internet.
Gerry

- Original Message - 
From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 IIRC, he wasn't a member of the Senate when that funding was approved. 
 His  father perhaps. But my memory may be faulty -

 - Original Message - 
 From: billr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Wasn't the story on Gore and the Internet traced back to a comment that 
 he
 was one of the senators who authorized funding for some of the initial
 infrastructure that allowed the Internet to be started?  I know that is
 not nearly as much fun to say, but like most politics I find little more
 than a hint of truth in it - at least make sure of 'facts' prior to
 endless repeating of propaganda on either side. All that seems to make 
 the
 chat circut is spin.
 BillR 


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Re: [MBZ] gullwing on the way back from Petsmart

I was in our local benz club here about 15 years ago, when I was thinking
about getting a benz at that time. one of the guys had a gullwing.  He
traded a mint SL for the gullwing, which was at the time, pulled out of a
pond here.  Cool car, probably the first, or one of the first real exotic
cars for the road.

Ed
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 Driving down Ward Parkway (posh), there was a pristine red (of course)
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 driveway. I was flabbergasted. Just sitting there on display forthe cars
 driving by? Circled back and blocked a lane of traffic to admire it. Had
 three of the girls with me who all thought the doors were very cool, of
 course.

 Chris




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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

Yeah, I hear brakes were an option on those cars. hee hee

Ed
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On 04/09/07, Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I will tell a very true but long GTO story. I had a 1968 4 speed GTO
 Convertible, no power steering or brakes.
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Re: [MBZ] Now climate



Robert Rentfro wrote:
 
 I'll felt sorry for him (AlGore) when he was on Oprah hawking his little
 moviehe looked and acted pathetic. Very cheesy.

Snopes.com version of AlGore creating the internet:
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

I could swear that I saw video of AlGore saying something
more like As you know, I invented the internet, and less
like When in Congress, I took the initiative in creating the
internet. Maybe what I remember seeing was a joke, based on
claims he previously said he invented the internet. I didn't
see the interview on Commie News Network (CNN), but I may
have seen an excerpt at one time or another.

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Re: [MBZ] anybody need a cheap wagon?

2007-09-04 Thread Allan Streib

I like the last paragraph:

But people with little money are just to picky for their own good. We
can not satisfy your champagne taste, if you only have malt liquor
money.



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Re: [MBZ] gullwing on the way back from Petsmart



E M wrote:
 Cool car, probably the first, or one of the first real exotic
 cars for the road.

Depends on your definition of exotic. Bugatti made some cars
(mit supercharger) that were very exotic in their day, and
fully depreciated long before 1955. Perhaps the 'coachwork
and chassis' days don't count, many of the Bugs I'm talking
about were one of a kind, while the 300SL was a production
car.

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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

2007-09-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work

that gave me a chuckle

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From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

I will tell a very true but long GTO story. I had a 1968 4 speed GTO
 Convertible, no power steering or brakes. I was a freshman at Young Harris
 College in the mountains of North Georgia. 2nd night there I took 3 other
 guys I had known for 2 whole days out for a ride. Well, we were going 70 
 MPH
 on a road I had never driven and I decided to step on the gas.bad 
 idea.
 We went to 90 MPH faster than you can say oh . Best of all the road 
 bent
 90 degrees. Well, I am still here today, and so are my 3 ex friends but 
 let
 me tell you, what a ride! we flew off a ledge about 7 to 8 feet high, 
 right
 into a small corn field and bounced about 10 times without flipping (the 
 top
 was down). As came to a stop, we got out and surveyed the situation. No 
 way
 to drive up an 8 foot embankment, so we walked through the field until we
 saw a driveway about 100 yards away. I ran back to the car and drove it to
 the driveway smashing corn the entire time. Pulled back onto the road, 
 drove
 back to school at 35 MPH and took stock when we got back. There was Silver
 Queen everywhere it could be in the suspension. I went back the next day 
 to
 survey the scene and there was this little old farmer standing in the 
 field
 scratching his head wondering what type of UFO landed in his corn! It was
 hoot. But the 3 guys never rode with me again, I wonder why?

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 - Original Message - 
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 Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta

 Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story  included from the
 star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present
 company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed,
 those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180...that's
 when it's time to use the last third of the gas pedal travel. We used to
 have a lot of fun with that car out on a dry lake. 220mph+ is an
 interesting feeling :-)
 If they passed a GTO at 120 it's because the guy in the goat didn't
 care, not because the 6.9 is some super car.
 I wonder why he included that little snippet in his ad? I guess it
 didn't help him sell the thing.

 -Robert

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Re: [MBZ] [MBZ[ 560 back on the road, almost

I can only tell you what I did, and make you aware it's probably not
recommended in any book.  The injectors in early CIS engines are pretty
simple, they don't have much to them, like electrical connections, that open
adn close them.  They just squirt all the time, hence the name, CIS
Continues Injection.  I pulled mine out of a '80 Porsche 911.  I put all all
6 injectors in clean plastic water bottles and then energized them to
squired.  You can see the ones with a nice pattern and those that look
funny, or don't squirt at all if really bad.  Yeah, can't do this with a
hard fuel line, and take care as the fuel in a CIS is under a LOT of
pressure.  I then pulled the injectors and sprayed them all down with liquid
wrench, I took an old firm toothbrush and gave them a good scrub, along with
some solf wooden toothpicks.  Checked the pattern again, then ran a bottle
or so of injector cleaner through the car afterwards.  There are several
shops the will clean injectors.  I think it's about 15-20 per injector, so
you decide if it's cheaper to buy now.  For me, new injectors for that car
very very expensive at the time.  Car ran like it found an extra 100hp, as
it probably did.  If they are really gummed up, as in not flowing at all due
to bad gas, sitting, whatever, the cleaner in the tank won't work.  YOu have
to flow the cleaner through the injector to clean it, and if the flow is
really bad, well.you get the picture.  Most places that do remove and
clean injectors will give you a turn around time, maybe even loaners while
waiting.  The often provide a before and after picture too to show the
pattern.  A special machine is required to do it on injectors with an
electrical connection, as you have to activate the injector to clean the
moving parts.  Eaarly CIS are just squirters with no moving parts really.

Again, if you're not srue, use caution or better still, don't touch it.  CIS
does operate at very high pressure, and high pressure, gas and open air are
not always the best mixture.  Take all precautions that would would when
workign with gas.  check the net for some places that will flow clean bosch
injectors.  I had a pic of the machine once, but can't find it.  Good luck.

Ed
300E

On 04/09/07, Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Please talk a little about cleaning injectors on gassers.
 Thanks.

 E M [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 560 back on the road, almost

 Maybe check the injector spray pattern. They gum up when they sit. Had
 that with the 911 once. would start and idle ok, but under load, just
 couldn't deliver the required fuel. Once cleaned, felt like an extra 100
 hp, and no pinging.

 Ed
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Re: [MBZ] Now climate

2007-09-04 Thread LarryT

And he's making millions scaring people with a scam.  Wonder why he didn;t 
make a big deal out of this during the  8 years he was V P??
OH!! Perhaps it only started when W took office?
right -

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 I'll felt sorry for him (AlGore) when he was on Oprah hawking his little
 moviehe looked and acted pathetic. Very cheesy.

 Bob R.

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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Now climate

 Interresting.  I've heard other versions, few lacking 'spin'.
 BillR

 -Original Message-
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Sent: Sep 4, 2007 11:17 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Now climate

Here's what Gore actually said:
During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in
creating the Internet.
Gerry

- Original Message - 
From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 IIRC, he wasn't a member of the Senate when that funding was approved.
 His  father perhaps. But my memory may be faulty -

 - Original Message - 
 From: billr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Wasn't the story on Gore and the Internet traced back to a comment that
 he
 was one of the senators who authorized funding for some of the initial
 infrastructure that allowed the Internet to be started?  I know that is
 not nearly as much fun to say, but like most politics I find little 
 more
 than a hint of truth in it - at least make sure of 'facts' prior to
 endless repeating of propaganda on either side. All that seems to make
 the
 chat circut is spin.
 BillR


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Re: [MBZ] gullwing on the way back from Petsmart

Bugs were pretty, but nothing state of the art.  Bentley in the day was much
more exotic, even though Ettore called them buses, or trucks.  The bently
had aluminum pistons, OHV, 4 valves per cylinder.  The gullwing was one of
the first, if not the first road cars to have an injected engine.  The doors
were there to allow enterance over the funky sills.  I've several bugs up
close.  They are lovely, but more art than mechanical genious.  But that's
just my take on them. :-)  The new bugs are production cars too, but not in
the sense of my 300E. lol

Ed
300E

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 E M wrote:
  Cool car, probably the first, or one of the first real exotic
  cars for the road.

 Depends on your definition of exotic. Bugatti made some cars
 (mit supercharger) that were very exotic in their day, and
 fully depreciated long before 1955. Perhaps the 'coachwork
 and chassis' days don't count, many of the Bugs I'm talking
 about were one of a kind, while the 300SL was a production
 car.

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Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)

My first vision of carnage was GTO related
One of my uncle's buds had a'68 GTO and another had a Grabber Green '70 Boss
429. Jack had the Mustang. He used to tape a fifty cent piece to the dash
and tell me, as a 10 year old, if I could grab the fifty cent piece while he
was mashing the foot feed to the floor, I could keep the moneyI never
reached it.
Anywho...they decided to race one afternoon. 
My grandparents and I happened by about 10 minutes after the race was over.
Mustang Jack plowed into a railroad bridge trestle (car split in two, Jack
dead) and the GTO was on it's top after having rolled probably a dozen
times. The two passengers of GTO were in the ditch contorted in ways human
bodies do not normally bend. One dead, one nearly. 
My granddad made me look.
That was quite the learning for me. Maybe that's why I drive a 30 year old
solid safe diesel that can hardly get out of its own way.

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Re: [MBZ] Was Now climate now Carbon Credits

Reminds me of the other reason, I'd need a 3pt hitch...
Conversion for that is about $1200. Heck for $1200 I could probably buy another 
tractor...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 11:28:53 -0400
From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was  Now climate now Carbon Credits
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Curt Raymond wrote:

 As a tree farmer I've seriously considered selling credits. I've got
 ~60 acres left to plant, it'd be nice to raise money for a mechanical
 planter.
 We plant about 1000 trees a year, with a mechanical planter we could
 do 1000 trees a DAY.

I rent one from my local soil conservation district for $50 a day. It
 even has
it's own trailer for handy towing to the farm. We planted something
 like 1400
trees and shrubs with it in one day, they claim 500-800 per hour. I
 think it
did take us an hour or an hour and a half to do the 500 spruce
 seedlings. That's
with three people to run the thing. One to drive the tractor, one to
 ride the
planter, and one to run around like crazy delivering trees from the
 front end
loader on the tractor to the guy riding the planter. I bet I could make
 a
planter from a two or three bottom plow frame, removing all but one
 plow and
welding up a tree planter replacement for the remaining one. I don't
 think
it's necessary to have a 2' diameter coulter on the plow. 

http://www.eatoncounty.org/TGCD/page4.htm

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Re: [MBZ] Now climate

That one was indeed a joke. I don't remember the setup exactly, something like, 
I invented computers, I mean you know I invented the internet.

It didn't exactly bring the house down but it was a good chuckle...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:18:39 -0400
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Robert Rentfro wrote:

 I'll felt sorry for him (AlGore) when he was on Oprah hawking his
 little
 moviehe looked and acted pathetic. Very cheesy.

Snopes.com version of AlGore creating the internet:
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

I could swear that I saw video of AlGore saying something
more like As you know, I invented the internet, and less
like When in Congress, I took the initiative in creating the
internet. Maybe what I remember seeing was a joke, based on
claims he previously said he invented the internet. I didn't
see the interview on Commie News Network (CNN), but I may
have seen an excerpt at one time or another.

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[MBZ] [MBZ[ 560 back on the road, almost : Cleaning fuel injectors

2007-09-04 Thread Robert Bigham

Mecy sakes, Hendrik, Ed EM's plain language talks about 
cleaning injectors on a gasser.  Or doesnt it?

I'd like to learn what he has to say about it - all I know to 
do or even suspect I can do is pour in some amount of 
Super Panther Piss or other recommended fuel injector 
cleaner in the fuel tank. If that doesn't help, start thinking 
about replacement.  There may be another option.

Ed obviously cleaned injectors on a Porsche 911 once with 
excellent results. He may do it a lot.  Give the poor ignorant 
ones of us a chance to learn from him, OK?.

Have a nice day.
 
Robert 

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:38:52 +0930
Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

 We don't talk about cleaning injectors, just replacing them.

Robert E. Bighamv[EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote

 Please talk a little about cleaning injectors on gassers.
 Thanks. 

  E M [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote
  
 Maybe check the injector spray pattern. They gum up when they sit. Had
 that with the 911 once. would start and idle ok, but under load, just
 couldn't deliver the required fuel. Once cleaned, felt like an extra 100
 hp, and no pinging.
  
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[MBZ] Speed runs was Re: 220

2007-09-04 Thread Donald Snook

Curt wrote: 

 

I have yet to find myself with enough open space, time and daring to
hit the 97mph listed top speed on my 190D. 

 

 

 

I had a 1996 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera (VERY reliable, competent, but
boring and SOUL-LESS).  It had a fuel cut off at 107.  I was driving
from Topeka to Lawrence when I hit the fuel cut -off. It freaked me out.
The car started bucking and coughing.  It was very odd. 

 

I also discovered that my 126 300SEL is still very smooth at 110 mph.


 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 140K  (For Sale) 

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Re: [MBZ] Om603 Vacuum pump failure indicators

Peter Merle wrote:
 Is there any way to tell if an OM603 vacuum pump is about to fail , eg
 oil in vacuum lines etc/ noisy ?
 Peter

There is NO reliable test other than to tear it down and measure 
clearances. In my experience, the early ones lasted 100-150kmi and the 
newer ones are good for 150-250kmi. If it's leaking CHANGE IT, an if the 
vacuum doesn't meet spec CHANGE IT.

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Re: [MBZ] Om603 Vacuum pump failure indicators

Tom Hargrave wrote:
 The dangerous failure mode is when the internal drive roller mechanism fails
 and it takes the front surface of the IP timing mechanism with it. The
 Manufacturer designed an updated vacuum pump that solves the problem. I
 replaced mine at 250,000 miles and the original looked like new. But this is
 when you want to replace one, once the damage starts it's too late.

Bearings into the timing chain are a far more catastrophic and frequent 
occurrence than destruction of the timer. Dropping parts into the sump 
that can ultimately be picked up by the oil pump occurs more often than 
damaged timers. A failed vacuum pump on a 60x engine is to be avoided 
even if it means replacing perfectly good pumps from time to time.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] OM603 introduction - observations

Peter Merle wrote:
 Thanks for your advice. Got the car and have these observations
 1. Engine grumbles/protests below 1600 rpm ( under load greater than
 approx 30% )
 2. Steering does not centre correctly especially when cold. It tries to
 centre but does not g o all the way - could this be a steering box
 overhaul??
 

 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 introduction
 
 
 I dont really know much about the non-turbo 603 since we do not get them
 
 in the US. I do know on the turbo 603 the only real problem area to 
 watch out for is cracking heads. Not sure if the non-turbo has that 
 problem or not.
 
 Peter Merle wrote:
 I have just purchased a W124 non turbo 300D ( OM603 ) and am keenly 
 awaiting deliverly later today. Having grown up with OM617's ( and 
 OM621
 ) this is a major cultural adjustment for me . What are the important
 issues with these engines eg vacuunm pumps , timing chains , injector
 nozzles - ie how long do thaey last /when should they be changed. Is
 there a way of measuring chain stretch as in in Om617? Are there any
 online resources for the maintaince of these cars?

Chain stretch is measured exactly the same as it is measure in OM61x 
engines. Chains in OM60x engines wear more slowly - maybe 1 deg every 
100kmi using conventional oil changed at recommended intervals (Mobil 1 
halves chain wear). Max allowable stretch is 4 deg.

Head in the non-turbo 603s are NOT subject to,the same head cracking 
issues that the turbos experience. The head gasket MAY leak up front 
above the chain tensioner (5 of the seven 60x engines I've owned leaked 
here - some a little - some a lot - only cure is a new head gasket) or 
blow out between the #1 cylinder and the chain vault (makes MUCH smoke 
and drinks oil when this happens), but this only happens to a few 
percent of engines.

The engine itself is VERY durable and long lived if properly maintained. 
The lifters will clatter starting at about 100kmi unless you use a 
synthetic oil. Changing to a synthetic will usually quiet clatter but it 
may take 10-20kmi. Changing lifters will usually NOT keep the lifters 
quiet if you continue to use conventional oil! I've seen them get noisy 
within a few weeks!

Injectors and glow plugs last about as long as they did in OM61x engines 
(150-250kmi).

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Wiper arm won't go back down 190D

Zoltan Finks wrote:
 Okay, since the holiday weekend seems to have left the list with a
 skeleton crue, and since my wife needs to drive a car to her first day
 at the new practice tomorrow morning, I went ahead and forced the
 wiper arm back down to the windshield.
 
 I figure either this is normal operation of the wiper arm, or that
 this is a disappointing engineering slip-up.
 
 The arm gave some sharp snapping sounds as I pushed it down, then was
 released back into position.
 
 Pretty much what you described, Mitch.

That what all of mine - new style and old - do/did!

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Re: [MBZ] cracked head any thoughts?

Sure would be nice if you mentioned the year and model car you were 
discussing!!

Marshall

William Tisdal wrote:
 Thanks Harry and others responding. I have determined as of yesterday that 
 exhaust gases are in the reservoir.  I am driving the car approximately 
 3,000 miles per month and top off of antifreeze is
 usually every 45 days sometimes longer. I  removed the antifreeze tank 
 yesterday and discovered a slight ammount of oil. I guess I now have my 
 diagnosis. The question is what I should do at present,
 short of head shopping.  The pressure in the antifreeze tank is now buliding 
 up where I can hear it from inside the car. The car runs beautifully, with 
 no hesitations or hard starts. It fires up immediately. I have temporarily 
 put all water in the cooling system and almost no white smoke is present. It 
 appears that as the car cools down a bit, right after driving and 
 restarting, a small ammount of white smoke is present. This must be a small 
 ammount of water going into the cylinder, however no presence of water in 
 the oil, but a drop or 2 of oil in the coolant reservoir.
 I know,now, that I will be head shopping eventually. Does anyone have any 
 recommendations of
 how to decrease some of this pressure temporarily, and if so would it keep 
 the water from going in
 when the car cools down without so much back pressure.  Also, does anyone 
 have any recommendations or help to locate the appropriate head for this 
 car? I am considering experimenting
 with Evans waterless coolant to see if I can temporarily decrease this 
 pressure from exhaust gases.
 I have heard so many nightmares of new heads doing the same thing.


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Re: [MBZ] Wiper arm won't go back down 190D

2007-09-04 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On 9/4/07, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Zoltan Finks wrote:
  The arm gave some sharp snapping sounds as I pushed it down, then was
  released back into position.
 
  Pretty much what you described, Mitch.

 That what all of mine - new style and old - do/did!

What Marshall said.  If the monowiper doesn't snap, crackle, and pop
as you push it down, then it has lost tension and will skip and
chatter as it wipes.  Then it works badly (well, even worse than
usual).

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] What's that squicky sound?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 1979 240D, automatic.  Good rain came and windows were open, lot of water 
 came in. Alot on dash board area.   Now when I glow plug and start car get a 
 buzzer sound which stays on when the car is running and seams to be coming 
 from the emergancy hazzard light area.  When I activate the hazzard button 
 press it in and the hazzards are operating buzzer stops completely. There 
 was never a buzzer associated with this hazzard light before
 
 What is happing?

Check fuses carefully. I've had a blown fuse cause the combination relay 
to buzz - might also be so for the earlier hazard light flasher.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] cracked head any thoughts?

Mitch Haley wrote:
 
 Marshall Booth wrote:
 Sure would be nice if you mentioned the year and model car you were
 discussing!!
 
 On Saturday, it was a '86 SDL.

Then it will be necessary to pull the head to determine if it's the head 
or the head gasket.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] real world top speeds

2007-09-04 Thread RELNGSON

My '73 450SE was all done at 125mph indicated. In Nevada, legal at the time.

My '78 300D was governed at 4400 rpm which was 99mph according to an MB 
document.

My '01 C320 is finished at a governed 133 indicated. 153mph with the limiter 
defeated. 0.27cd

My '70 914-6 was all done at 125mph, power limited. Nevada, again.

My '84 944 is all done at 134mph indicated, power limited.

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Re: [MBZ] Stupid stalling smoky TD's, yes we have them

Hendrik wrote:
 http://ozbenz.net/viewtopic.php?t=4240highlight=
 anyone with any thoughts, I am guessing ALDA but don't know enough about 
 the set up.

If you feel like it's cutting out, then its likely the overboost sensor 
closing the pressure line to the ALDA.

I could also be the line from the intake manifold thru the switchover 
valve to the ALDA being plugged by the tarry soot/oil residue that 
accumulates in the intake manifold (but that usually doesn't cut in and 
out). Blow through the pressure plumbing from the ALDA end toward the 
intake manifold - there should be no more resistance than blowing 
through a large drinking straw. If there is pressure - clean out the line!

Marshall
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[MBZ] Steve Fossett

2007-09-04 Thread RELNGSON

AVweb Breaking News Alert
September 4, 2007 1:12PM

AVIATION RECORD HOLDER STEVE FOSSETT MISSING
Searchers are combing an area of western Nevada looking for adventurer Steve 
Fossett, who was reported missing in his Citabria Super Decathlon early this 
morning. The Nevada Record-Courier is reporting that Fossett left the Hilton 
Ranch in the Smith Valley in the aircraft Monday evening. It's not known where 
he was heading.
 Nevada Civil Air Patrol spokeswoman Maj. Cynthia Ryan said three crews were 
launched early today and more will be dispatched through the day. A check of 
neighboring airports apparently came up empty. The aircraft Fossett was seen 
taking off in is blue and white and the terrain in the area of the Hilton ranch 
is rugged and sparsely populated. Fossett is best known for his 
around-the-world flight in a balloon and another unrefueled flight in a 
single-engine jet 
aircraft. He was in Nevada recently preparing for a land-speed record attempt 
in 
a jet-powered car on the Bonneville Flats but it's not known why he was at 
the Hilton Ranch.







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Re: [MBZ] Steve Fossett

2007-09-04 Thread John Freer

I am a non aviator, but I don't understand why any pilot would not file a
flight plan with someone.

On 9/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 AVweb Breaking News Alert
 September 4, 2007 1:12PM

 AVIATION RECORD HOLDER STEVE FOSSETT MISSING
 Searchers are combing an area of western Nevada looking for adventurer
 Steve
 Fossett, who was reported missing in his Citabria Super Decathlon early
 this
 morning. The Nevada Record-Courier is reporting that Fossett left the
 Hilton
 Ranch in the Smith Valley in the aircraft Monday evening. It's not known
 where
 he was heading.
 Nevada Civil Air Patrol spokeswoman Maj. Cynthia Ryan said three crews
 were
 launched early today and more will be dispatched through the day. A check
 of
 neighboring airports apparently came up empty. The aircraft Fossett was
 seen
 taking off in is blue and white and the terrain in the area of the Hilton
 ranch
 is rugged and sparsely populated. Fossett is best known for his
 around-the-world flight in a balloon and another unrefueled flight in a
 single-engine jet
 aircraft. He was in Nevada recently preparing for a land-speed record
 attempt in
 a jet-powered car on the Bonneville Flats but it's not known why he was at
 the Hilton Ranch.







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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D over heating

2007-09-04 Thread ts

Dwight, thanks for the come back.

No oil in coolant, not coolant in oil.  Was showing no signs of over heating 
or no signs of creeping up temp the last few 1000 or more miles.  Car was 
running great.  I have not run it except idle until hot. since this happened 
but when I do I get white smoke and a rough idle indicative of water in 
fuel.  I have purchased a block tester.  I believe it was failure of the 
water pump as hoses are new, radiator is clean and not leaks or level fluid 
drop off.  Water pump was replaced less than 6,000 miles ago which for me is 
two months of travel.

We were coming home from a baseball game, was just two miles down the road, 
I looked down and it was red lining. creeped home the 8 miles by driving 
until it got to hot shutting down and waiting for it to cool.  Then going 
again and stopping.   I need to solve the over heating problem.  I am afraid 
I blew the head gasket or cracked the head.  I was hoping someone knew how 
to check to see if water pump is pumping while car is idling.  I hear no 
strange noises and it looks like the pump pulley is turning fine.

Regards Tom

- Original Message - 
From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D over heating


 Tom,
 I trust you have checked coolant and engine oil for cross contamination?
 How hot does it get?  As posted earlier, my 79 240D has been creeping up
 over the past year to where it runs 215F under load or acceleration-seems 
 to
 be consensus that I need a citric acid flush and get rid of the green 
 stuff.

 Did you get your dash dried out?
 Dwight

 Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
 1979 240D-250K + miles
 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles
 Wickford, RI-

 Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 7:55 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: [MBZ] 1979 240D over heating

 car has 132,000 miles.  Have what appears to be a blown head gasket. 
 Trying

 to locate cause for over heating and the root of the problem.
 Question, how does one know water pump is working right. or at all by
 looking?  No strange sounds of broken impellars
 Belts are tight and turn.
 Pumrp was replaced 5,000 miles ago.  No leaks.  Thermostate tested shrinks
 and expands when heated.
 Radiator cap is fine.  Hoses fine.  Radiator clean.
 thanks Tom Scordato



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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D over heating

2007-09-04 Thread ts

Water was boiling over lost maybe a 1/2 pint. White smoke on start up and 
idle now (never smoked before) rough idle.  Sensor is less than 5000 miles 
old.

It is over heating but will try IR on it, Tom
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D over heating

 In a message dated 9/4/2007 7:55:49 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 to  locate cause for over heating and the root of the problem.
 Question, how  does one know water pump is working right. or at all by
 looking?  No  strange sounds of broken impellars
 Belts are tight and turn.
 Pumrp was  replaced 5,000 miles ago.  No leaks.  Thermostate tested 
 shrinks
 and expands when heated.
 Radiator cap is fine.  Hoses fine.   Radiator clean.
 thanks Tom Scordato
 Verify your indication:

 Are you guys actually sure that you are overheating?  Boiling over,  loss 
 of
 coolant, etc.  The first thing I would do is take some non contact  IR
 readings of the engine block, thermostat housing, radiator, etc.  You  can 
 borrow one
 or buy one cheap at Harbor Freight!

 The other thing to deal with is false readings on your heat gauges.   The
 indicated temperature goes up as the resistance in the sensing circuit 
 goes  up.
 Merely unplugging and replugging the wire at the  temperature  sensor will
 often restore accuracy.  Nasty old German contact corrosion can  be 
 anywhere in
 the loop.  On my 79, the temperature sensor wiring follows  the glow plug
 wires and there is a plug on the back of the glow plug relay that  can get
 corroded.  Then there is the point where the wires go through the  dash, 
 and finally,
 the plug on the back of the instrument cluster.  Start  with the easy 
 ones.

 Dirty external surfaces of the radiator are often more of a problem than 
 the
 inside. Most AC equipped MB should have the radiator pulled every few 
 years
 to properly clean them, as the condenser gets in the way inspection and
 cleaning.

 Don't overlook a weak fan clutch, as this may be slipping too much, and
 causing overheating in slow traffic.  With overheating on the road, at 
 highway
 speeds, the fan clutch is not a factor

 Verify your indication!

 Jim  Friesen
 Phoenix AZ
 79 300SD, 264 K miles
 98 ML 320, 151 K  miles

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Re: [MBZ] Steve Fossett

2007-09-04 Thread Darrell W. Sigmon

John, take it from an old Army aviator, 15 years, 3000 hours, that when you 
are out in the 'boonies' you don't have any land lines to call the FAA. Now 
if you can establish radio commo with the FAA you can file.

Darrell W. Sigmon

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- Original Message - 
From: John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Steve Fossett

I am a non aviator, but I don't understand why any pilot would not file a
 flight plan with someone.

 On 9/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 AVweb Breaking News Alert
 September 4, 2007 1:12PM

 AVIATION RECORD HOLDER STEVE FOSSETT MISSING
 Searchers are combing an area of western Nevada looking for adventurer
 Steve
 Fossett, who was reported missing in his Citabria Super Decathlon early
 this
 morning. The Nevada Record-Courier is reporting that Fossett left the
 Hilton
 Ranch in the Smith Valley in the aircraft Monday evening. It's not known
 where
 he was heading.
 Nevada Civil Air Patrol spokeswoman Maj. Cynthia Ryan said three crews
 were
 launched early today and more will be dispatched through the day. A check
 of
 neighboring airports apparently came up empty. The aircraft Fossett was
 seen
 taking off in is blue and white and the terrain in the area of the Hilton
 ranch
 is rugged and sparsely populated. Fossett is best known for his
 around-the-world flight in a balloon and another unrefueled flight in a
 single-engine jet
 aircraft. He was in Nevada recently preparing for a land-speed record
 attempt in
 a jet-powered car on the Bonneville Flats but it's not known why he was 
 at
 the Hilton Ranch.

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Re: [MBZ] Steve Fossett



Darrell W. Sigmon wrote:
 
 John, take it from an old Army aviator, 15 years, 3000 hours, that when you
 are out in the 'boonies' you don't have any land lines to call the FAA. Now
 if you can establish radio commo with the FAA you can file.

Can't you just write one up and leave it at your point of departure in case
something happens?
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva

I do not know of Don,  but he sent me the same spam for Kiva.org.  It  
is a good organization, just not interested in getting spammed about it.


clay

On 1 Sep 2007, at 15:14, Glenn Brown wrote:

 Do we have a Don Wills on the list?  I've got a message in my inbox
 indicating that on the subject line, and with all the compu- 
 sleazeballs out
 there I don't dare open it for fear of some sort of compu-disaster.
 Thanx.

 Glenn Brown
 Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva

2007-09-04 Thread Gary Hurst

that don is just a whack job!

On 9/4/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I do not know of Don,  but he sent me the same spam for Kiva.org.  It
 is a good organization, just not interested in getting spammed about it.


 clay

 On 1 Sep 2007, at 15:14, Glenn Brown wrote:

  Do we have a Don Wills on the list?  I've got a message in my inbox
  indicating that on the subject line, and with all the compu-
  sleazeballs out
  there I don't dare open it for fear of some sort of compu-disaster.
  Thanx.
 
  Glenn Brown
  Brevard, NC
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[MBZ] ColoradoQ

2007-09-04 Thread tom savage

http://thomas.savage.org/concours/

Won Best in Class with the 1931 370S Mannheim.

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] Steve Fossett

2007-09-04 Thread Darrell W. Sigmon

Mitch, that's better than nothing

DWS
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Steve Fossett

 Darrell W. Sigmon wrote:

 John, take it from an old Army aviator, 15 years, 3000 hours, that when 
 you
 are out in the 'boonies' you don't have any land lines to call the FAA. 
 Now
 if you can establish radio commo with the FAA you can file.

 Can't you just write one up and leave it at your point of departure in 
 case
 something happens?
 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D over heating

2007-09-04 Thread Kevin Kraly

Water pump was replaced less than 6,000 miles ago which for me is
two months of travel.

Did you replace it with one that has a stamped steel impeller?  If so, I've 
heard that this is bad news, and I remember it being posted a few weeks ago.

Kevin in Portland, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula
2006 Sprinter PV 1.5K miles, the Box 


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[MBZ] was Re: Don Wills spam -now Immigration

We have to find a way to keep the kleptocrats from sucking the  
economies dry and making the divide between haves and have nots so  
great that the poor come here.  Once here, they make so much cash  
that gets sent home to float at least one generation out of the  
sewer.  Too many in power down there rape the nation then get  
overthrown, never providing the wonderful socialist programs that FDR  
implemented to  drag the US out of the 19th century.

Were the latins to have heavy industries, there would be a greater  
employment base and dispersion of wealth to more of the population.   
Funny thing is, there are waves of immigration between latin nations  
and the others are just as despised.

The US will awaken on morning and see that we have imported garbage  
from china while exporting all our jobs.  Then only the farmers will  
be rich, since they will have some control over the mean of  
production and will have enriched economies as well as communities.   
They will be known and will have money to spend at the stores and  
diners of their towns, while the rest of the nation is stuck shopping  
wally world for inferior trash that will poison us.

Wonder how long before the smart and economically upwardly mobile are  
moving to India and China since there will be no future in America?


On 2 Sep 2007, at 00:00, Tom Hargrave wrote:

 Ok, it's the earn a living argument. In the sub-Sahara, earning a  
 living
 is probably the equivalent of $300.00 / year or so and most would  
 never come
 here.

 The steady flood of immigrants from South of the border has nothing  
 to do
 with earning a living. It has everything to do with a huge standard of
 living difference, separated by something as trivial as a border.  
 And the
 same differences have driven population migrations from the  
 beginning of
 time. History is full of examples of people moving for a better  
 life, the
 more recent in this country being the massive immigration from  
 Europe into
 this country over the past 300 or so years, the gold  silver  
 rushes out
 west and the move westward.

 If we want to stop immigration from South of the border then we  
 need to
 figure out a way to improve their economy.

 Thanks,
 Tom Hargrave
 256-656-1924
 www.kegkits.com



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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
 Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 12:28 AM
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 If they can earn a living where they are ... then probably.

 On 9/1/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 if i give money to your third worlders, can i get them to promise  
 to stay
 at
 home?





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[MBZ] WAS Re: Don Wills NOW- Horsemen

The most likely and only one we are really good at is for Mars to  
ride into town and remove the bulk of the problem.  That seems to  
only work against the more industrial nations, since they bicker and  
can actually support conflicts long enough.  Then again, all the tin  
pot African nations like Nigeria/Liberia are doing a bang up job of  
reducing population.

If there is a good cleansing, I wonder how many nice Mercedes will be  
able to survive.  And should they survive, how easy will it be to get  
ahold of them.

clay




On 2 Sep 2007, at 06:55, archer wrote:


 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Ok, it's the earn a living argument. In the sub-Sahara, earning  
 a living
 is probably the equivalent of $300.00 / year or so and most would  
 never
 come
 here.

 The steady flood of immigrants from South of the border has  
 nothing to do
 with earning a living. It has everything to do with a huge  
 standard of
 living difference, separated by something as trivial as a border.  
 And the
 same differences have driven population migrations from the  
 beginning of
 time. History is full of examples of people moving for a better  
 life, the
 more recent in this country being the massive immigration from  
 Europe into
 this country over the past 300 or so years, the gold  silver  
 rushes out
 west and the move westward.

 If we want to stop immigration from South of the border then we  
 need to
 figure out a way to improve their economy.
 ---
 Whether it's Mexico, India, Africa, China, Malaysia, Turkey,  
 Morroco, or
 nearly any other third world country; a big problem that no one  
 seems to be
 able to do anything about is the birth of more people than the  
 countries can
 support.  This drives down the quality of life and their citizens  
 move to
 richer countries when they can.
 Should Western industrial nations such as the U.S. permit this  
 migration?
 First generation immigrants work hard without complaint for low wages,
 businessmen love them, and they help make prosperous countries even  
 more
 prosperous.  However, the second and third generation become  
 industrialized
 citizens with the same expectations as the general citizenry.  The  
 result is
 an increase of citizens, usually poor, in the industrial nations,  
 who do not
 work hard for low wages without complaint.  Often unemployed and  
 poorly
 educated, they become a liability instead of an asset to the country.

 Usually, as in Mexico, the population exceeds the ability of the  
 arable land
 to support them, so even if Mexico should suddenly become a well  
 organized
 democratic country instead of an oligarchy of wealthy families  
 (Carlos Slim
 of Mexico has recently become the richest man in the world); the  
 constant
 increase in population would still lead Mexicans to immigrate to  
 the U.S.

 Population increase seems to be a major worldwide problem which no  
 one knows
 the answer to.  Historically the answer was the Four Horsemen of the
 Apocalypse: War, Famine, Pestilence, and Death.  Science has  
 eliminated
 famine, pestilence, and early death in much of the worlds population.
 Unless someone comes up with a better solution, it looks like the  
 remaining
 Horseman, War, might be the eventual result.  Not a good solution IMO.
 Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva - populations discussion

There was a nice half page article about the decline of the hunter  
population and how that is forcing the state wildlife agencies to  
suffer underfunding due to decrease in hunter fees.  Since the  
agencies are supposed to manage the wildlife, they no longer have the  
funds, since all the liberal wienies are against hunting.  Also noted  
that so many urbanized families no longer have hunters who can bring  
up the next generation of hunters, so less cash for the agencies to  
spend on helping the animals the hunters went after.  Vicious cycle  
because the hunters funded the same conservation efforts much more  
effectively than the anti hunters ever could but demanded they be  
funded.

Which leads to man no longer interacting with animals in a natural  
setting, the animals being acclimated to once more running rampant  
and populations of prey being unbalanced.  Which is good for the sale  
of ungulate be-gone or deterrents.  These keep the pests that were  
once food from getting into the greenies gardens and munching  
veggies.  Since no hunters are allowed access, there are fewer  
hunters, and populations grow into former wildlife areas.  Prey  
species explode, and predator species grow with them.  Attacking  
small pets, children, bicyclist, and other recreational users.

If we had more hunters there would be fewer problems.  Or as my BiL  
found out yesterday, the hunter can become the hunted really  
quickly.  He was out in a great little area we found over the weekend  
for bagging a deer.  Archery season and we were bummed that the deer  
were just not to be found as easily as before.  He was in wait for a  
deer, when he became the stalkee of a cougar.  Lucky for him he was  
able to draw on it and there was a cougar wandering about with an  
arrow for a day.  Mr. Puma was a bit too good at finding a place to  
pass on, and has not been found.




On 2 Sep 2007, at 13:01, billr wrote:

 We have been over this territory about a year ago, but I'll jump in  
 here this time. In general you make some good points.  For  
 population discussions you need to remember that in areas with no  
 social safety net children are the only answer to watching yourself  
 starve to death when you can't grow your own food due to age,  
 illness or weather.  In terms of the latter, you might also lose a  
 few of the children.  Given such choices, and knowing all the girls  
 would be moving to another home and at least some of the boys would  
 die as infants or children would you chose to have only one or two  
 children?  10 kids = 5 of each, and the girls will leave = 5 boys,  
 with perhaps two dying prior to being able to farm.  3 is a 'safe'  
 number as long as there is no warfare and they are willing to stay  
 on the farm instead of moving to the city [doesn't happen much  
 anymore].  Prior to suggesting controls on those who have so many  
 children make sure you would be willing to starve and watch your  
 spouse starve in order to keep the population low.  I'll forgo  
 comments on the state of medical care in the 2/3rds of the world  
 that is poor, or the economic history of such regions, but you are  
 certainly correct that it is the relative inequity of access to  
 resources and lifestyle that feed the problem.
 BillR
 Jacksonville FL

 -Original Message-
 From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sep 2, 2007 9:55 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List  
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva


 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Ok, it's the earn a living argument. In the sub-Sahara, earning  
 a living
 is probably the equivalent of $300.00 / year or so and most would  
 never
 come
 here.

 The steady flood of immigrants from South of the border has  
 nothing to do
 with earning a living. It has everything to do with a huge  
 standard of
 living difference, separated by something as trivial as a border.  
 And the
 same differences have driven population migrations from the  
 beginning of
 time. History is full of examples of people moving for a better  
 life, the
 more recent in this country being the massive immigration from  
 Europe into
 this country over the past 300 or so years, the gold  silver  
 rushes out
 west and the move westward.

 If we want to stop immigration from South of the border then we  
 need to
 figure out a way to improve their economy.
 ---
 Whether it's Mexico, India, Africa, China, Malaysia, Turkey,  
 Morroco, or
 nearly any other third world country; a big problem that no one  
 seems to be
 able to do anything about is the birth of more people than the  
 countries can
 support.  This drives down the quality of life and their citizens  
 move to
 richer countries when they can.
 Should Western industrial nations such as the U.S. permit this  
 migration?
 First generation immigrants work hard without complaint for low  
 wages,
 businessmen love

Re: [MBZ] Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva - populations discussion

I concur.   The kalifornication of rural towns into disneyfied  
tourist traps is a shame.  The urbanites move to tiny towns, buy  
large estates, build mcmansions and quit growing crops, just  
providing more idiots to populate the gift stores that line the  
olde west' main street.  Said stores are loaded to the gills with  
crap made in china for the liberal greenies to decorate the homestead  
in pseudo country kitsch.

They need to commute to these vacation homes in monster SUVs and  
consume two tanks of fuel just to get there.  Then they drive into  
town and eat at the  brew pub (which did make good beer) go to art  
shows and do the same silly stuff they could have done at home.

All the while the local economy is changing to a service and low wage  
with no future or valuable training for local people.  Soon the only  
jobs become flipping burgers, catering to the bored urbanite,  or  
selling junk.  No more farms or orchards to support the feed store or  
the schools, since once summer is over most of the underage  
population heads home, or shows up for long weekends.




On 2 Sep 2007, at 13:38, Rich Thomas wrote:

 Problem is, you start elevating the level of living of the other 90%,
 they are gonna want cars, computers, air conditioning, microwave  
 ovens,
 washing machines, Playstations, Lombards, etc etc, and then global
 climate change is going to accelerate because they sure ain't gonna be
 using PV arrays on the roofs of their Priuses or buying carbon offsets
 from Algore.  (cf. China and India).  So, best to keep them down where
 they are, burning cow dung (no net CO2 inputs!) for fuel.  It's  
 best for
 their future, you know.

 --R

 billr wrote:
 We have been over this territory about a year ago, but I'll jump  
 in here this time. In general you make some good points.  For  
 population discussions you need to remember that in areas with no  
 social safety net children are the only answer to watching  
 yourself starve to death when you can't grow your own food due to  
 age, illness or weather.  In terms of the latter, you might also  
 lose a few of the children.  Given such choices, and knowing all  
 the girls would be moving to another home and at least some of the  
 boys would die as infants or children would you chose to have only  
 one or two children?  10 kids = 5 of each, and the girls will  
 leave = 5 boys, with perhaps two dying prior to being able to  
 farm.  3 is a 'safe' number as long as there is no warfare and  
 they are willing to stay on the farm instead of moving to the city  
 [doesn't happen much anymore].  Prior to suggesting controls on  
 those who have so many children make sure you would be willing to  
 starve and watch your spouse starve in order to keep the  
 population low.  I'll forgo comments on the state of medical care  
 in the 2/3rds of the world that is poor, or the economic history  
 of such regions, but you are certainly correct that it is the  
 relative inequity of access to resources and lifestyle that feed  
 the problem.
 BillR
 Jacksonville FL

 -Original Message-

 From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sep 2, 2007 9:55 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List  
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva


 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Ok, it's the earn a living argument. In the sub-Sahara,  
 earning a living
 is probably the equivalent of $300.00 / year or so and most  
 would never
 come
 here.

 The steady flood of immigrants from South of the border has  
 nothing to do
 with earning a living. It has everything to do with a huge  
 standard of
 living difference, separated by something as trivial as a  
 border. And the
 same differences have driven population migrations from the  
 beginning of
 time. History is full of examples of people moving for a better  
 life, the
 more recent in this country being the massive immigration from  
 Europe into
 this country over the past 300 or so years, the gold  silver  
 rushes out
 west and the move westward.

 If we want to stop immigration from South of the border then we  
 need to
 figure out a way to improve their economy.

 ---
 Whether it's Mexico, India, Africa, China, Malaysia, Turkey,  
 Morroco, or
 nearly any other third world country; a big problem that no one  
 seems to be
 able to do anything about is the birth of more people than the  
 countries can
 support.  This drives down the quality of life and their citizens  
 move to
 richer countries when they can.
 Should Western industrial nations such as the U.S. permit this  
 migration?
 First generation immigrants work hard without complaint for low  
 wages,
 businessmen love them, and they help make prosperous countries  
 even more
 prosperous.  However, the second and third generation become  
 industrialized
 citizens with the same expectations as the general citizenry.   
 The result is
 an increase of

Re: [MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva - populations discussion]

I think the hoax part is that humans are to be held accountable for a  
natural occurrence that is so far beyond what we could do.  Yes, it  
is getting hot.  yes, there are dire consequences.   The most recent  
science points to other causes than something we did.  Looks more  
like solar activity is the greater cause of heating.  Unless you are  
going to say the mars rovers have upset the delicate balance on Mars  
and have caused it to heat up as well.



On 2 Sep 2007, at 19:05, Wonko the Sane wrote:

 You got a D+ in English, didn't you, Gary? You obviously can't read  
 for
 content?

 I fully believe there is bad-mojo climate stuff going on. I didn't  
 want to
 see my name in the subject line where the accompanying message said  
 hoax
 or isn't happening.

 Personally, I think we are like Noah pre-flood. What, it isn't  
 raining
 YET!

 On 9/2/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 you don't believe it's hot out there, you dope?

 On 9/2/07, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just as an aside, I'd prefer that my name was not associated with  
 posts
 saying that global warming isn't a fact.

 D.


 On 9/2/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 H, that is one inconvenient truth!

 --R

 Craig McCluskey wrote:
 On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:38:33 -0500 Tom Hargrave 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:


 In case you've not been following the trends, most scientists are
 now
 jumping off the global warming band wagon. And the reason? All
 agree
 that the climate is changing but good scientific analysis cannot
 correlate human activity with climate change. The consensus is
 moving
 towards natural climate change, possibly long term cycles in
 weather
 that we are just beginning to understand.


 Things like Mars warming up at the same time are a pretty telling
 argument.


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Now climate [was:Re: Don Wills has invited you to joinKiva - populations discussion]

But Hendrik, you have this all wrong and bass ackward.  We need the  
weapon system to control the weather.  If we are able to decrease the  
total world population by a significant number, we should be able to  
reduce global warming by a concurrent amount, since the dead have no  
need for cheap chinese goods, food grown with petro chemicals, fuel  
for vehicles, or heated homes.  From what I have seen in my life, the  
dead are the ultimate anti consumers.

Spend the billions of dollars to eradicate the populations  
of .asia and we could have decreased human impacts on the climate  
for at least another millenia



On 2 Sep 2007, at 22:17, Hendrik wrote:

 Yes but the big question is can we become masters of the climate or  
 are
 we going to stand by like the dinosaurs did? Obviously not, we are to
 busy spending squillions on weapons research to come up with better  
 ways
 of killing each other.
 Hang on, perhaps we can sell the idea that if we can control the  
 climate
 it can be used as a weapon. Don't like the Ruskis? Easy, freeze em to
 death. Those funny Aussies starting to be a pain? Turn up the heat and
 watch em fry. China getting too big for their boots? Heat up the south
 and freeze the north and bomb the part in the middle.
 North Korea got the bomb or WMD's? Tooo easy, it's pretty cold there
 already.
 However to really get the ball rolling on this we have to convince the
 pentagon that Iran is doing research into climate control weapons.

 LarryT wrote:
 The earth has been warming for 20,000 years - there used to be  
 glaciers in
 Kansas.  The controversary concerns the cause. Some believe people  
 cause it
 others believe it is caused by various things such as the sun,  
 oceans, etc.

 Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)




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Re: [MBZ] flight plans not required

2007-09-04 Thread RELNGSON

I am a non aviator, but I don't understand why any pilot would not file a 
flight plan with someone.

Allow me to increase your knowledge on this subject. First of all VFR (Visual 
Flight Rules) flight plans are not required by regulation. So often after an 
aircraft accident or incident, even when it's close to home, the local news 
readers will be sure to report than no flight plan was filed as though this 
had some bearing.

A VFR flight plan is nothing more than a notice filed by radio or in person 
with local FAA staff that says I am going to fly today from point   A to point 
B and I'm leaving at X time planning an arrival at X time. The plan form also 
contains aircraft type and color, fuel aboard, name of pilot and number of 
passengers, etc. If the pilot opens the flight plan with an FAA facility, then 
if the plan isn't closed with another FAA facility at about his proposed 
arrival time, they start looking around for him. It's about the same as you 
telling 
your neighbor that you and your family are driving your MB to someplace 
tomorrow and will be back at such and such a time. Then when you don't show up 
he 
will call someone.

So if I were making a VFR trip to some distant point I might file such a 
plan. An alternate is to call up the local FAA Center in flight and ask for VFR 
flight following which means you are in radar contact with the same controller 
you would be talking to on an IFR flight on the same route. That way, your 
position is known the whole way in case something untoward occurs. For example, 
back in the day, If I and a friend or two decided to fly from Boeing Field 
Seattle to Friday Harbor on San Juan Island for lunch at a local eatery, I 
would 
use flight following since we would be crossing the Strait of Juan de Fuca plus 
be close to Whidbey Island NAS with it's jet traffic.

An IFR trip is entirely different and considerably more complicated.

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[MBZ] Latest sightings from Richville

2007-09-04 Thread Zoltan Finks

Yesterday spotted a very very nice white convertible. I would call it
a Gullwing, but it, well, wasn't. It was that vintage though.
Surpisingly, both the hubby and wife Tommy Bahama models looked over
at our lowly 240D in apparent recognition.

Today, spotted one of the big new ones. I imagine it was the very
biggest body style. Dual exhaust and the sound of at least a V8. The
thing that has me wondering is that the only designation besides the
star on the back was simply an S on the driver side. Is this how
they are from the factory?

Brian

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Re: [MBZ] 560 back on the road, almost

I'm still new to mercs and don't know how all the various parts work, but
when something electrical or electronic goes funny, I look at grounds right
after fuses.  I once read that 70-80% of all electrical problems on a car
can be traced to a bad ground. I've had very few electrical problems with
cars as I do preventative maintance, but the couple of times I did have
problems, they were grounds.  (and before anyone says you must have pretty
poor prevenative maintance, I started to do the maintance after the
problems. hee hee)  :-)

Ed
300E

On 04/09/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 yes, it is electronic, I checked the fuse, it is fine.  The rest of the
 instruments work fine, just the speedo/odo.

 ---
 Kaleb C. Striplin
 Cox Auto Trader
 730 FSBO Supervisor

 - Original Message -
 From: Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 2:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 560 back on the road, almost


  Dont see why it would die though from just
  sitting.  Anybody got any ideas there?
 
  FUSES!!!???  Does it have an electronic spedo like the 300SD?
 
  Kevin in Portland, OR
  1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula
  2006 Sprinter PV 1.5K miles, The Box, outfitted with a trailer hitch and
  ready to tow the boat for the first time
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Speed runs was Re: 220

I think 155 mph was the limited number for many years to keep the Green
Party at bay.  Not all played, mercedes and bmw kept to it, porsche never
did.  I think with the recent HP wars, both mercedes adn bmw have pushed the
limiter to the sides, or given an option to do so.  I think wiht AMG models,
you can get an optional ECU that will allow some of the faster cars to run
to 300 kph.but not offered in North America.  This is still limited, but I
guess ppl spending huge money on mercs with twin turbo V12s were a little
upset bouncing off the limiter at 155 mph on the autobahn. :-)  Especially
with a VW GTI flashing his highbeams in your mirrors. lol.

Ed
300E

On 04/09/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Curt wrote:



 I have yet to find myself with enough open space, time and daring to
 hit the 97mph listed top speed on my 190D.







 I had a 1996 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera (VERY reliable, competent, but
 boring and SOUL-LESS).  It had a fuel cut off at 107.  I was driving
 from Topeka to Lawrence when I hit the fuel cut -off. It freaked me out.
 The car started bucking and coughing.  It was very odd.



 I also discovered that my 126 300SEL is still very smooth at 110 mph.






 Donald H. Snook

 1990 300SEL 140K  (For Sale)

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Re: [MBZ] real world top speeds

I think we have to keep in mind here, the different thinking behind a rev
limit and a speed limit.  Porsche isn't so much interested in how fast you
drive your car, but don't want you to granade your engine by over reving
it.  Well, they will take care of you on the way up anyway, what you decide
to do with the trans and clutch on your way down throught the gears is up to
you. hee hee.  If you want your valves protected on the way down, get a
tiptronic trans. :-)  To limit the top speed is usually for political
reasons, or due to a component not up to handling the high speeds, such as
tires, or some other part they don't feel is up to the job.

Ed
300E


On 04/09/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My '73 450SE was all done at 125mph indicated. In Nevada, legal at the
 time.

 My '78 300D was governed at 4400 rpm which was 99mph according to an MB
 document.

 My '01 C320 is finished at a governed 133 indicated. 153mph with the
 limiter
 defeated. 0.27cd

 My '70 914-6 was all done at 125mph, power limited. Nevada, again.

 My '84 944 is all done at 134mph indicated, power limited.

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Re: [MBZ] Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva

He's just being friendly.  Send him an invite to join SmithWesson.org.  hee
hee.

Alright, sorry, sorry, I couldn't resist. hee hee.  But, if there's anymore
talk of this Kiva, I'm going to say the G word, I am.  :-)

Ed
300E

On 04/09/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I do not know of Don,  but he sent me the same spam for Kiva.org.  It
 is a good organization, just not interested in getting spammed about it.


 clay

 On 1 Sep 2007, at 15:14, Glenn Brown wrote:

  Do we have a Don Wills on the list?  I've got a message in my inbox
  indicating that on the subject line, and with all the compu-
  sleazeballs out
  there I don't dare open it for fear of some sort of compu-disaster.
  Thanx.
 
  Glenn Brown
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Re: [MBZ] [MBZ[ 560 back on the road, almost : Cleaning fuel injectors

2007-09-04 Thread Hendrik

The point is that the nozzles are only worth cleaning if you can get
access to a cleaning machine on the cheap. If you have to pay pro rates
to get em done you are better off to spend that money on new ones. As
someone else has said, they are a wear item.
Yes, they can be cleaned. Yes, cleaning may improve the spray pattern
and no they can't be rebuild.
I just replaced the nozzles in my 190E at 40 Aussie beans a piece, from
memory I think they are round about 20-30 beans per piece to get em
cleaned/tested. Sure if I have a mate with the equipment and he'll do it
for a six pack then it may be worth doing. The only other way is to make
your own cleaner out of an old K jet system and a few liters of carb
cleaner/techron/whatever. However there again to make it viable you have
to do a lot of injectors successfully.
Far as the magic FI system cleaner goes, my understanding there is that
it only really works with a near clean system. In other words if the
system is pretty dirty then techron (or some other miracle juice) will
not really work and can potentially cause problems by dislodging crud.
http://www.racq.com.au/cps/rde/xchg/racq_cms_production/hs.xsl/Motoring_Maint_Repairs_Foun_factsheet_injector_cleaning_ENA_HTML.htm
Keep in mind that that article is talking about modern electrical fuel
injectors and given the price of those it is more advantageous to
clean/test rather than blindly replace.
Also i would be interested if anybody has any hard facts (such as dyno
results) to substantiate the claims of FI system cleaners. It has to be
remembered that it is human nature to make yourself believe all that
effort and money spend on FI system cleaners has paid off.

Robert Bigham wrote:
Mecy sakes, Hendrik, Ed EM's plain language talks about
cleaning injectors on a gasser. Or doesnt it?

I'd like to learn what he has to say about it - all I know to
do or even suspect I can do is pour in some amount of
Super Panther Piss or other recommended fuel injector
cleaner in the fuel tank. If that doesn't help, start thinking
about replacement. There may be another option.

Ed obviously cleaned injectors on a Porsche 911 once with
excellent results. He may do it a lot. Give the poor ignorant
ones of us a chance to learn from him, OK?.

Have a nice day.

Robert

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[MBZ] What's your MB worth

2007-09-04 Thread Bill Gallagher

Find out what your MB is worth. not street value but should be 


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Re: [MBZ] Now climate