Another mild disappointment with what is supposed to be impeccable
engineering. Engine oil is fed into the passenger compartment.
Then again perhaps this is why the oil gauges on MBs seem to always work as
opposed to electronic ones?
Brian
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 7:04 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL
A friend has a 93 Pontiac Bonneville.
This vehicle's challenge is electrical. There is a constant clicking noise
(sounds like a relay) coming form near the glove box area. If one tries to
start the vehicle the glove box light flashes bright and dim in synchronization
with the clicking noise
We are involved, via a friend, with a 93 Pontiac Bonneville.
This car's challenge is a clicking noise relay sounding coming from inside
the glove box area constantly. If one tires to start the vehicle the clicking
noise continues accompanied by the glove box light synchronizing to the
From: Rocky
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:43 PM
To: Matt Segall ; Dave Bruce ; David Hemsley ; Silvia Serbu ; Jim Mattos ;
Nancy Richard Black ; Robbin A. Pace ; Eileen Miller
Subject: Fw: fair
- Original Message -
From: Phil Wells
To: Les Mayes
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120459389654809159.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
The World Has Plenty of Oil
By *NANSEN G. SALERI*
March 4, 2008; Page A17
Many energy analysts view the ongoing waltz of crude prices with the
mystical $100 mark -- notwithstanding the dollar's anemia --
Sounds like you need more than a trickle charger. You are going to
have to charge the battery with a real charger, or fix the electricity
leak and jump start it if he drives the car enough to charge it on
the road.
I had a similar problem with my '95 Taurus last year.
Found out it was
That's funny, my brother the geologist couldn't get a job doing oil
exploration -- very little more to be found, it seems. I don't know
where this guy gets is data, but none of the major oil companies has
more proven reserve oil now than it did a couple years ago, and in
many cases much
I fail to see why this is an example of less than perfect engineering...
The gauge works and you can trust it, unlike an electronic gauge which has like
6 things in line to fail...
Just because something allows you to be stupid doesn't mean its not good
engineering. A hydralic quick disconnect
I kinda get that feeling too. it's very suspicious that oil can go up ten
fold in price because we suddenly realized that there is china and india.
i wouldn't put past the current crew to bankrupt millions and destroy the
economy so a few billionaire oil buddies can become multi-billionaire.
On
Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I kinda get that feeling too. it's very suspicious that oil can go
up ten fold in price because we suddenly realized that there is
china and india.
Well they are suddenly (relatively speaking) using a lot more oil
than they used to.
i wouldn't put past
Oil companies are publically traded corporations. Owned mostly by
institutional investors like pension funds, as well as 401Ks and IRAs.
The people benefiting from the current windfall in oil profits are
seasoned citizens who are invested in energy funds.
I blame futures trading more for
Any ideas where we should start looking tomorrow?
You've either got a steady electrical leak, or the
car's charging is not working at all. Measure voltage
on battery when car is running. Measure current draw
of car (from battery) when it's completely off. (Put
ammeter on battery post center
He needs to move to Houston. Paper had an article the other day, kids
out of college with petro engrg degrees are starting close to $100k/yr.
They are exploring, taking looks at old wells again, all kinds of
things. Once Ooogo (or his peeps) realizes (that is a big once) what
a mess he has
Mechanical gauges CAN fail, but it's much less likely. Even a simple
electric gauge is less reliable, as I've had to replace the sending
unit on the 300D. All the old cars, with mechanical gauges, still
work great.
Peter
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Kevin Kraly wrote:
I have a friend who's interested in buying a newer Mercedes Diesel that has
driver and passenger air bags. My question is what year and which chassis's
were these options first available. Her budget is $10K max. I know that the
W140's and W210's have them, but I'm not
Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Mechanical gauges CAN fail, but it's much less likely. Even a
simple electric gauge is less reliable, as I've had to replace the
sending unit on the 300D. All the old cars, with mechanical gauges,
still work great.
Is there any limit (within the
Oh I apologize.
I thought I had sent this to the Banned list.
Dave H...
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From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 9:22 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] OT: Fw: fair is fair
Mechanical gauges CAN fail, but it's much less likely. Even a simple
electric gauge is less reliable, as I've had to replace the sending
unit on the 300D. All the old cars, with mechanical gauges, still
work great.
Until the Bourdon tube cracks. I've replaced several mechanical
gauges.
$100/bbl opens up all kinds of possibilities.
A cynic might think that that's exactly what the industry
wants/needs/has created for itself.
In the full article, the authour himself states that these high prices
will help to mask inefficient drilling practices.
He talks about new technologies
Have you checked the timing? We had one that did a similar thing at
the dealership. It took hours to find out that a locating pin on the
left bank cam sprocket had sheared and was freewheeling.
Have you tried bypassing the ignition switch or exchanging it?
Auto trans?
Zedic
Allan Streib wrote:
I am thinking of installing an oil pressure gauge on my Vanagon
(rear-engine) and typically people do an electrical sender at the
engine wired to a gauge in the dash, but would it work to run a
pressure tube all the way up to the front for a mechanical gauge?
Using brake
1995 pickup, V6. It starts quickly, then dies when the switch returns to
the run position. I can even increase RPMs while the starter is engaged. I
can remember the old days when while cranking, the coil got 12 volts, then
ran with 6 volts. Do these new fangled chines do that?
Any ideas?
TIA
Is there any limit (within the length of the car) on how long the
capillary tube can be?
No. But I'd rather have a slightly less reliable gauge than
a slightly less reliable pressurized oil system! That's a
lot of exposed tube.
-- Jim
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A 95 Toyota won't have a chip in the key. I wonder about the ignition switch
itself. If it does not make contact
when the cylinder revolves back to run, then it would kill the engine wouldn't
it? - Or if it makes contact in the
wrong way?
Randy
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL
I removed the radiator, which was filled (again) with rather
dirty-looking coolant. I guess it's getting a flush after all. I'll
be sure to do this a few times until it runs clear. (Though dark like
oil, there's no oily film. I think it's just ancient grungy coolant.
I'm glad I didn't put in
Yep, it is an opinion piece. The guy is probably a lot more
knowledgeable than a lot of other opiners (90%? of them? or is that
number too low what with all the vastly knowledgeable and experienced
politicians weighing in right now) but you read it and take it for what
it is worth.
There is
Jeff Zedic wrote:
He talks about new technologies being able to get 2/3 of the oil
underground extracted instead of the 1/3 they tend to get now. Nice!
What I don't like are energy intensive technologies in which you burn
4 barrels to extract 5 out of the ground, netting one barrel. 50 years
Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
1995 pickup, V6. It starts quickly, then dies when the switch
returns to the run position. I can even increase RPMs while the
starter is engaged. I can remember the old days when while
cranking, the coil got 12 volts, then ran with 6 volts. Do these
Jim Cathey wrote:
I think that's just a VR sensor screwed into the hole in the IP.
And some electronics, of course. Hall effect requires a magnet
to swing by, which the prong on the IP's shaft is not. VR is
not so picky, but requires the thing to be moving at a good clip.
The AB box is just
Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There is a lot of work going on now to go back to old wells and
recover the stuff that wasn't easy when they were new. Saw another
article about a guy in Pennsylvania who is doing that, making a nice
little profit but early on he was barely getting by.
Dave H. wrote: A friend has a 93 Pontiac Bonneville.
This vehicle's challenge is electrical. There is a constant clicking noise
(sounds like a relay) coming form near the glove box area. If one tries to
start the vehicle the glove box light flashes bright and dim in synchronization
with the
I can't believe I'm even thinking this but
Could at least a little of the blatant liberal baiting/bashing tone down at
least a bit?
Hows that for the kid glove approach?
I'm pretty moderate and I'm just tired of it... I'm pretty much totally burnt
out of the whole campaign.
I've gotten to
I recall that, I think he inherited an interest in some wells in
Oklahoma or Texas, at the time it was discussed the electricity to run
the pumps cost about what they could get out of the (old) wells so they
did not pump them. That is probably different now!
--R
Allan Streib wrote:
Rich
You know I was wondering just the other day, with all the electric gadgets in
cars now, like the lights that stay on when you get out, are the batteries
getting bigger?
I haven't really checked out the battery size on anything newer than a '99
Chevy Tracker and that came with a pitifully
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Somebody needs to buy this and swap the motor into a 240Z. Didn't the guy
who wrote From The Fryer To The Fuel Tank do that?
A 240DZ, 260DZ or 280DZ would be nice. I wonder how that engine would hold
up to a 617 or 603?
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 7:57 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Allan Streib wrote:
I am thinking of installing an oil pressure gauge on my Vanagon
(rear-engine) and typically people do an electrical sender at the
engine wired to a gauge in the dash, but would it work to run a
In a message dated 3/4/2008 9:00:30 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
1995 pickup, V6. It starts quickly, then dies when the switch returns to
the run position. I can even increase RPMs while the starter is engaged. I
can remember the old days when while
Let me add some info, I wasn't expecting such a good response, thanks.
I was flushing the cooling system and had both radiator hoses, both heater
hoses and the thermostat out to do the flushing. It started getting hot on
a short trip, so I added some coolant and headed home. It started again,
I'd love to believe that, I really would but he's turning a major blind eye to,
well reality really...
We're gluttons and as long as oil lasts we'll belly up to that feel trough and
stuff ourselves silly. We've proven that again and again.
We will not seriously develop alternatives until we
Curt Raymond wrote:
We're gluttons and as long as oil lasts we'll belly up to that feel
trough and stuff ourselves silly. We've proven that again and again.
We will not seriously develop alternatives until we absolutely have
no other choice. Unless some magic substance arrives (dylithium
Frequently in our big trucks, when a driver complains of the truck overheating
and no heat, he is 2-3 gallons low on coolant. This is a system that holds
about 11 gallons. The heater core is sometimes one of the higher or highest in
the cooling system, and will sometimes be the last to
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Frequently in our big trucks, when a driver complains of the truck
overheating and no heat, he is 2-3 gallons low on coolant. This is a system
that holds about 11 gallons. The heater core is sometimes one of the higher
or
It is worth pointing out that that particular v6 isn't exactly known for
reliability or ease of maintenance, and that overheating it is generally
an expensive proposition.
Any chance something got hooked up backwards?
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 11:02:14AM -0600, Harry Watkins wrote:
Let me add
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is worth pointing out that that particular v6 isn't exactly known for
reliability or ease of maintenance,
Right, those are the ones with the notorious head gasket problem
(which Toyota, to give them some credit, is apparently
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 09:39:48AM -0800, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is worth pointing out that that particular v6 isn't exactly known for
reliability or ease of maintenance,
Right, those are the ones with the notorious head
John Robbins wrote:
Basically, when something comes up that is cheaper than oil we'll be all
over it.
...and cost to market is usually a good indicator of fossil fuel used
to produce. If it costs $2 a gallon to make corn ethanol when oil is
$40 a barrel, and $5 a gallon to make it when oil is
sometimes i think of how stupid the love of material things and think about
renouncing all of my worldly possessions.
then i play with my toys
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd love to believe that, I really would but he's turning a major blind
eye
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Head gaskets that blow, valves that beat themselves into the head, valve
adjustments that require disassembly of the intake...
Needless to say, it's a far cry from a 22R.
Kevin, do you have an opinion on the current Toyota V-6
More likely a bad ignition switch, where the ignition isn't on in the
run position but is at the start position.
I don't think electronic ignitions have dual resistor circuits for
the coil any more.
Peter
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Hmmm, I've seen all sorts of inductive pickups that do NOT have
magnets called Hall effect pickups -- moving a piece of metal through
the energized coil produces a signal. Easily could be wrong, though.
At any rate, and inductive pickup and the associated electronics to
signal when the
You can also loosen the IP bolts and use the adjuster screw on the
side of the mount for small changes if that pump is the same as the
one on the 603, allowing you to set it the way you want it without
the tool.
Very likely it slipped one spline on the hub. You may be able to set
it
Sorry, I thought you meant SIDE airbags. W124 have driver's bag in
all years, passenger side (and no glove box!) after 93 or so.
Peter
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Probably not. The tube is a fixed lenth, about 4 or 5 ft, I think.
Longer, and no pressure arrives at the gauge!
You would need one designed for that distance, with a larger diameter
tube. For that application, I'd use a simple resistance gauge, like
the W124. At least you would have a
Better yet, replace the side post battery and cables with a standard
top post battery and cables. I've never had anything but trouble
with GM side post batteries, the cables NEVER fit well after the
original battery dies.
Peter
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The problem is that there aren't any substitutes. None, zippo,
nada. We are burning stored energy as fast as we can pump it, and
nothing else, anywhere, anyhow, contains the same amount of energy as
compactly and easily usable.
The vast majority of petroleum use is dragging 2 ton cars
That's the problem with the oil sands in Canada. Net gain is rather
small, and the process is an ecological disaster.
The real solution is to learn to use less than we did in the late
40's, but no one wants to listen.
Peter
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The VW actually has a fairly sophisticated idiot light setup for oil
pressure, there is a 0.3 bar pressure switch that illuminates the lamp
continuously, and a separate 0.9 bar switch that is only in effect above
2000 RPM, if this pressure is not met the lamp starts flashing and an
alarm buzzer
Time for another admission. I once put the thermostat in my 240D in backwards...
It overheated like nobody's business after that. I had to pay my Indy to figure
that one out...
-Curt
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:37:08 -0800
From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, Toyota problem
To:
I guess I was being Mr. theoretical as I often do. Was thinking less about
accidents in dash removal and more about car accidents or just the fact that
you have hot, fresh engine oil piped into where people sit.
And I also felt that the engine's lifeblood is being piped away from it
(though if
John Robbins wrote:
Another point is that as oil gets more expensive the more people will try to
conserve energy. If gas hit $5 a gallon you can bet people would be driving
less and buying more fuel efficient vehicles.
I agree with that! My wife and I have already said if gas gets to $5 a
I find unless you're almost ready for a new car, it's not worth the bother
and expense to downsize to a smaller car when gas companies have these
periods of high prices. Then again, I'm not driving thousands and thousands
of miles a year, so it may pay for others.
Ed
300E
On 04/03/2008, Donald
Agreed, you can't just look at what 100 miles costs at various MPG, you
also have to think about what the CAR costs as well, if it is new and
you have a loan you have to think about the interest, higher insurance,
etc. If it is not new and you pay cash you still have to consider the
opportunity
On the technical side ... If we want to be able to, play a damaged, out of
print DVD, start with your computer. If you have a PC get a copy of DVDFab
HD Decrypter at http://www.dvdfab.com/free.htm ( I don't know what works on
MACs but there is something out there) it opens- deciphers commercial
IMPRESSIVE! That's a direct hit. You may go past Start and collect $200.00
:)
I truly appreciate everyone's feedback.
Dave H...
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From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:35 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
Consumption has been dropping the last little while, inventories of
gasoline are very high right now, US is actually exporting gasoline.
Price/consumption elasticity at work, sort of -- price should be
dropping if supply is high, but the traders (all over the world, not
just the US ones in
But not a bad engine even so. We have a 95 4Runner with about 125K miles on the
3.0 and no problems with the
engine. The worst issues are body rust mostly in the rear quarter panels and
tailgate skin but also some in front
fenders. Doors OK so far.
Some people have had trouble with the head
Are those POS engines still being sold by Toada? Sure makes me
question the reverence which is shown to Toada.
At 11:42 AM 3/4/2008, you wrote:
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 09:39:48AM -0800, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is worth
How much is used to fly envelopes accross the country so that they can be
delivered tomorrow even though it was
faxed already in any event. It takes as much fuel to get one of those big jets
off the ground as I use in my car
all year (maybe more). Kill the courier companies and there will be
I don't think that version is around anymore. The 3.4 has 4 cams and 24 valves
etc. The 3.0 had only 2 cams and 12
valves. However, the 3.0 is a non-interference engine so if you wait too long
to change out the cam drive belt, it
won't hurt quite so much.
Randy
-Original Message-
From:
And the oil companies are loving it. What a deal! Sell less for more. Hard to
beat that. If McDonalds could sell
you a 1/4 pounder for $3 or an 1/8 pounder for $6 you can guess what you would
be getting. It is criminal but no
one seems able to do anything about it. The government (here in any
Just tell yourself that the extra cost is life insurance. If you get hit in the
Expedition your chances may be
better than if you are in the Honda Civic.
Randy - who just knows someone is going to argue about that statement
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL
Were you shedding any tears for the oil companies in the 80's when crude
was $10 a barrel and the economy of Texas went into the toilet?
Here's another take on the subject
http://www.portfolio.com/views/columns/economics/2007/12/17/Why-Oil-Prices-Will-Drop
I had some trouble with the pagination
I still can't bring myself to consider an engine with a rubber band
drive as a reliable engine. A timing belt is still a glorified rubber band.
Toada and vw not withstanding. I don't get the reverence in which
toada is held. I didn't know they were foisting rubber band engines
on an
I suspect that one of the reasons for the timing belt rather than chains is
that they are quiet. The 4 cylinder
Toyotas have a chain drive but they tend to eat the guides and then the cases
if not changed soon enough. Nothing
lasts forever.
Randy
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL
I'm in Canada. We were paying through the nose for gas even in the 60's
compared to the USA. If my memory is
correct, I was paying about $0.57 per gallon for gas in about 1968. At that
time, it was not much of an issue
though, as I was riding a 65CC Honda motorbike and it took less than a
I have not had to worry about it so don't know for sure, but someone told me
that a scratch on the top of the DVD
is just as bad or worse than a scratch on the bottom. Any comments or
suggestions on how to fix the top if that is
true?
Randy
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Randy wrote: Just tell yourself that the extra cost is life insurance. If you
get hit in the Expedition your chances may be better than if you are in the
Honda Civic. Randy - who just knows someone is going to argue about that
statement
Allan S. wrote Agreed, you can't just look at what 100
Whatever happened to our promised paperless enviornment?
Ed
300E
On 04/03/2008, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How much is used to fly envelopes accross the country so that they can be
delivered tomorrow even though it was
faxed already in any event. It takes as much fuel to get one of
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:19:32 -0500, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Whatever happened to our promised paperless enviornment?
Never happened. Technology has enabled the creation of more documents
with less effort than ever before.
Back in the days where you needed to dictate a memo to a secretary
As you already know, if you ease up a little on the highway, the savings can
be great in terms of fuel. HP and fuel required to push a big thing through
the air really start to go up once you get over 55 mph. Empty all the
unneeded stuff out of the trunk, and check the tire pressures ever week
I agree. My F150 Supercrew will do about 21 mpg (Imp Gallons) if I keep the
speed to about 100 to 105 kph (62 to 65
mph) but if I kick it up to 125 kph or so which would be maybe 78 mph, then the
mileage drops to about 18. Quite a
penalty for a bit more speed - about 20%.
Does not work the same
Time for a rebuild when that chain cuts through into the coolant
passage in the font cover, diluting the sump with coolant. Happened
to a co-worker, he was rather cheesed since it had been knocking and
someone told him it wasn't a big problem right away.
Cogged belts are cheaper, and work
It's true with diesels as well -- my 300D gets 31-32 in the mixed
driving I usually do, but rarely gets better than 29.5 when I'm on
the interstate rolling at 70 plus. I prefered the lower speed limit
-- took a bit longer to get there, but significantly cheaper, I once
hit 35 on a tank.
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I still can't bring myself to consider an engine with a rubber band
drive as a reliable engine. A timing belt is still a glorified rubber band.
My take on it is that a timing belt is OK as long as it's in a
non-interference
Gang,
Wondering what the current wisdom is with ignition on the early M117 engines
(W108 4.5).
I've heard about the Pertronix system and some others. I see that 123 Ignition
(they seem to be better respected in Citroen circles than, for example,
Luminition) is now offering 4- and 6-cylinder
A flaky update. I now suspect a blown head gasket or cracked head. Before
checking anything, I decided to try it and it started right up, kept going
in the run position and I held it at about 2K RPM for awhile. Left it
running and went to eyeball under the hood. I noticed a cloud of white
Change the bloody thing on schedule, it's fine, wait and it'll
break! My neighbors ran at least 200,000 miles on one, as they never
changed it when the head gasket started to fail and leak oil. The
shop refused to work on it unless they agreed to a new belt, too (as
I suggested, the
Pertronix or Crane. Someday I'll remember to splurge on a Pertronix,
it fits inside the dizzy and cures all sorts of ills, including
trigger point problems due to side pressure on a worn dizzy bushing.
Check the condition of your injector seals -- I discovered that one
of my vanished
Paperless as in less paper. Idiots got to thinking that ment no paper.
Its like smokeless powder, less smoke...
-Curt
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:19:32 -0500
From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty of Oil
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
They were available as an option on the later 124's and 126's. The 95
should have it standard.
Kevin Kraly wrote:
I have a friend who's interested in buying a newer Mercedes Diesel that has
driver and passenger air bags. My question is what year and which chassis's
were these options
What?
My '83 240D had a max of something like 86mph at which I used to hold it on my
commutes until I figured out it took mileage down something like 5mpg.
Your 300D should be capable of better, you've got like 20% more hp even though
some of it is eaten up by the auto trans...
-Curt
Date:
You wroteWe were paying through the nose for gas even in the 60's compared
to the USA. If my memory is
correct, I was paying about $0.57 per gallon
Correct me if I;m wrong, but you were (are ?) paying more per gallon than
the US is because of your tax structure?
Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78
Curt wrote I'd pay $50 to put a trained chimp into every elected office
That's pretty much what we have now --
Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Thanks, Tom
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From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: 3/4/08 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Pontiac Bonneville
You know I was wondering just the other day,
Very true. We are approaching a oil crises and when it finally does
happen, we will all look back at today's prices and wish.
Oil is a commodity and the problem with any commodity is that when
demand really outstrips supply, prices go up sharply. Prices can easily
move 2X or more over night.
It cost very little because that one letter had several thousand similar
ones take the same plane ride.
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From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: 3/4/08 5:29 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
CC:
Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE OT: The World Has Plenty
Corn ethenol is a good lesson in false economics anyway. Per the latest
official estimates, it takes 80 BTUs of oil to net 100 BTUs of corn
ethenol. In other words, we aren't saving what we think we are saving.
Tom
www.kegkits.com
- Original Message -
From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You are referring to short term highs and lows but the long term trend
is up and its a trend that will continue.
That said, I put most of my miles on a 01 Grand Cherokee with a 4 liter
engine. I've looked at buying a new, more efficient vehicle and the math
just does not work. The cost per mile
Great theory but flawed. If oil were not in short supply then there
would be no financial motivation for billionaires to invest in deep
sea drilling. They do it because without these sources there is not
enough to go around.
Thanks, Tom
256-656-1924
-Original Message-
From: Gary Hurst
USA Gasoline consumption has dropped by an average of 1.1 percent over
the last 6 weeks. That's not much of a drop seems to be driven by
higher gasoline prices. Usage will likely go back up of the selling
price comes down some.
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