Re: [MBZ] Was serious depression,

2009-01-26 Thread Luther
is one of the leading beer brands in Aussie. Fosters isn't even really sold down under. Tom Hargrave wrote: Hendrik, Fosters is actually a very good pilsner in the states, much more flavor than Bud or Miller. Care to send me two samples of the real thing so that the local homebrew club

Re: [MBZ] pasties

2009-01-26 Thread Hendrik Fay
I've been working my ring our on the barby and as a result had to have a few beverages to cool down but may I surmise that a certain Muslim has been spreading his gospel across the waters? I will explain pasties and such tomorrow when I can type better and not have to get within 2 inches of the

Re: [MBZ] pasties

2009-01-26 Thread Jeff Zedic
It's an insect, right? Sounds boring.. I didn't know OZ even had a cricket teamwe don't hear much about them here in the UK. (ducking) Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] pasties

2009-01-26 Thread Gary Hurst
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Houses in the U.S.: was: (no subject)

2009-01-26 Thread Gary Hurst
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Houses in the U.S.: was: (no subject)

2009-01-26 Thread Mitch Haley
E M wrote: I don't mind the Canadian winters, but they do go on a little longer than I like. Some retiree friends of mine bought a trailer in an 'over 55' park. First trailer was a single wide, cost them about $10k. They got more than that when the tornado clobbered it two years ago, but the

Re: [MBZ] Twenty-five people at the heart of the financial meltdown

2009-01-26 Thread Archer
Gerry wrote: Very good descriptions and analyses of these people on the website: .. The worst economic turmoil since the Great Depression is not a natural phenomenon but a man-made disaster in

Re: [MBZ] pasties

2009-01-26 Thread Mitch Haley
relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Hendrik who eats pies and pasties sometimes.. That word pasties has a different meaning in the US. It all depends on how you pronounce it. Long A sound is something you don't eat. Short A sound is fairly common here in Michigan. They've even got a chain of Albie's

Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-26 Thread Curt Raymond
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Re: [MBZ] Property listing mistake

2009-01-26 Thread Mitch Haley
OTOH, if I wanted to buy 1,000 acres, I'd be shopping in Ontario where it might go for less than a million, instead of Kansas or Michigan where it would be much more. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-26 Thread Mitch Haley
While any individual renter may be just fine, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between property value and percentage of rental homes vs owner occupied. OTOH, you can work it to your advantage after the neighborhood goes to heck. Back in the 1980's I knew a guy who

Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-26 Thread Gary Hurst
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Houses in the U.S.: was: (no subject)

2009-01-26 Thread Allan Streib
Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net said: Lot rent is very cheap, trailer tax is negligible, something like $40 a year, and it's a 'nice' environment, but lots of little old ladies with nothing better to do than complain if you park a car with visible rust in the driveway, or dare to work on it

Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man

2009-01-26 Thread Mitch Haley
Gary Hurst wrote: and for those of us who have no money to buy the other houses in the area? When he was doing this, he was a divorced guy with three kids working as a janitor for a nonprofit organization. (I don't know if he paid support or if it were shared custody, he had them at his

Re: [MBZ] OT: Houses in the U.S.: was: (no subject)

2009-01-26 Thread Mitch Haley
Allan Streib wrote: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net said: Lot rent is very cheap, trailer tax is negligible, something like $40 a year, and it's a 'nice' environment, but lots of little old ladies with nothing better to do than complain if you park a car with visible rust in the driveway, or

Re: [MBZ] OT: Houses in the U.S.: was: (no subject)

2009-01-26 Thread ANGELO GIAIMO
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Re: [MBZ] pasties

2009-01-26 Thread Frederick W Moir
Hi, Hendrik Fay, et al. Cricket? Jimminy? Disney character, Official conscience? Ate a lot of pasties in Somerset 1959 - 1962 Fred Moir Lynn MA NON-Whinging Pommie Bastard. At 05:03 AM 1/26/2009, you wrote: I've been working my ring our on the barby and as a result had to have a few beverages

[MBZ] Sticky Acura Ignition

2009-01-26 Thread Robert Rentfro
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Houses in the U.S.: was: (no subject)

2009-01-26 Thread Bill R
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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their

2009-01-26 Thread Donald Snook
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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their

2009-01-26 Thread dave walton
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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their

2009-01-26 Thread Gary Hurst
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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their

2009-01-26 Thread Gary Hurst
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Re: [MBZ] 20% off entire Harbor Freight purchase this weekend...

2009-01-26 Thread R A Bennell
T'was intended to be tongue in cheek. However, I don't think they will ship to Canada. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:30 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their

2009-01-26 Thread Robert Rentfro
It's easier to deal with known factor (drug dealer) than a unknown factor/hypocrite (minister...oft times). Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their

2009-01-26 Thread Gary Hurst
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Re: [MBZ] Why would one do this?

2009-01-26 Thread John Robbins
Donald Snook wrote: Allan wrote: I am always still shocked to see a late '90s car with 200+ K miles. My '83 doesn't even have that yet. My 2001 Expedition has 135,000 miles, but the Cadillac (which is 8 years older) only has 119,000 miles. My '05 has 88k miles... Isn't the average driving

Re: [MBZ] Why would one do this?

2009-01-26 Thread Wilton Strickland
'Thought it was 'bout 10 k/year. Wilton - Original Message - From: John Robbins je...@msstate.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why would one do this? Donald Snook wrote: Allan wrote: I am always still

[MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread Rich Thomas
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] Property listing mistake

2009-01-26 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their

2009-01-26 Thread Bob Rentfro
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Re: [MBZ] Why would one do this?

2009-01-26 Thread ernest breakfield
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread John Freer
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Houses in the U.S.: was: (no subject)

2009-01-26 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread Donald Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Why would one do this?

2009-01-26 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread Allan Streib
Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net said: http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/994284095.html I think he's unloading it before it becomes illegal to own a car that gets less than 35 MPG. Is that the change YOU hoped for? Allan -- 1983 300d

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their

2009-01-26 Thread Gary Hurst
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread Rich Thomas
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Re: [MBZ] Why would one do this?

2009-01-26 Thread Wilton Strickland
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread John Freer
Is there any topic left on this List that doesn't turn to Republican bitterness? (or is it something else gnawing at you about OUR new President?) On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net said:

Re: [MBZ] Why would one do this?

2009-01-26 Thread Wilton Strickland
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] Why would one do this?

2009-01-26 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread Allan Streib
John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com said: Is there any topic left on this List that doesn't turn to Republican bitterness? (or is it something else gnawing at you about OUR new President?) Such as? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread Mitch Haley
Rich Thomas wrote: http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/994284095.html Edmunds thinks dealer retail is about $13k. http://www.edmunds.com/used/1999/mercedesbenz/e55amg/11447/options.html I can't find EPA ratings for 1999, but 2000 model is 15 city, 21 hwy, so not much different from a 167 hp

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread John Freer
I don't know, you tell me. The comment about our new President not allowing us to drive used cars with poor gas mileage is just a cheap shot and totally out in Right Field. John On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com said: Is

Re: [MBZ] Why would one do this?

2009-01-26 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread Allan Streib
John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com said: I don't know, you tell me. The comment about our new President not allowing us to drive used cars with poor gas mileage is just a cheap shot and totally out in Right Field. We'll see I guess. Allan -- 1983 300D ___

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] Why would one do this?

2009-01-26 Thread Wilton Strickland
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Re: [MBZ] Why would one do this?

2009-01-26 Thread Wilton Strickland
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread John Freer
OK, back on topic, here are the specs from the CD article from the Oct 08 issue. 5.4 litre 349 HP, 391 torque. 5 speed auto, 0-60 4.9 sec, EPA mileage 15/21. Lots of bang for the buck. The W124 500E was a great car but don't forget the evaporator and wiring harness issues. And, I think the E55

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 38, Issue 203

2009-01-26 Thread RELNGSON
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread Rich Thomas
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread tyler
Where do you live Ed? Here in Riverside, CA the air quality is so low, that it's estimated to reduce lifespan by about 8 years. There are times in the summer when your eyes and throat burn from ozone, and you can feel the grit in the air from particulate matter. Outdoors a film builds up on

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread R A Bennell
I cannot help but wonder why you choose to continue to live there if you feel like that. One would think that the automobile is only one air quality issue in LA. The number of people and the inversion issues due to the mountains must result in many other air quality issues. Here on the

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread Wilton Strickland
'Bet it's nice and clear, most of the time, anyway, where Ed lives in Toronto, ON - MUCH more so than LA/Riverside, etc; I've lived near both (LA and ON), though it was 30 years ago. Wilton - Original Message - From: tyler casi...@usermail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread Donald Snook
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[MBZ] Air quality in LA was Re: What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread Donald Snook
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread tyler
My wife and I have to live here because the professor she most wanted to work with in grad school is here. Also, there are a lot of positives about this area, but air quality isn't one of them. The mountains, the population, and the automobile use aren't separate factors, but a synergistic

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread tyler
Donald, That's an argument I hear a lot about environmental justice issues, and it really bothers me. I believe that people have a fundamental right not to be forced from their home because of environmental problems caused by the activities of others. It applies to social issues as well.

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread tyler
I prefer the idea of making alternatives more practical, than taking away peoples right to own a car, since some people are in situations where the alternatives wouldn't be practical. Most people could take a high speed bus or train, or ride a bicycle to work- but what about a plumber who

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread R A Bennell
I think you have been hanging around the University too long. There is a real world out there and most of it wants a car. Mass transit is a utopian dream. It is an idealogical thing sort of like socialism or communism. Most of us prefer FREEDOM and the car offers so much of that. You aren't

[MBZ] come fly with............or perhaps not

2009-01-26 Thread Hendrik Fay
Looks like Roger might have to trade the Porsche in http://www.martinjetpackusa.com/ http://www.newscientist.com/blog/space/2008/07/could-world-see-its-first-practical.html Hendrik ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread Mitch Haley
tyler wrote: There are stories about smog issues from Native American cooking fires in the LA basin, even before Europeans came! But that's exactly the point, that's why local regions should be allowed to set more stringent air quality standards suited to their unique geography and population

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread Robert Rentfro
Mitch typed: If a few (very few compared to the current population) cooking fires made smog, how can LA possibly have clean air with the current population, no matter what they do? When it wind is just right, LA isn't too bad. Phoenix gets nasty too. Big valley, temperature inversion this

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread tyler
I'm not advocating taking away anyones freedom or cars; you have misread my posts if you think I am. I am advocating for the freedom to breath safe and clean air, which is necessary for survival, and without which you cannot enjoy any other freedoms. Certainly my freedom is being infringed

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread Tom Savage
Rich Thomas wrote: http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/994284095.html I don't care much for the 210, but like these a lot. I drove one back to back with an SL55 last year, and while I didn't exceed the speed limit, the E just felt more like a hooligan's car, while the SL was more subdued

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread tyler
It's all relative. LA used to regularly experience fine-particle air pollution many times what it is now.. The air in LA will never be as clean as say a rural mountain community in the pacific northwest, but it can be brought to levels where it's no longer a significant health and quality of

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread Tom Hargrave
Tyler, Your city is a unique situation and I understand the concern about ozone in LA. But the rest of the country does not have the problem and unfortunately, what political changes happen in California tend to eventually happen in the rest of the country. So, why should the rest of us give up

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread Tom Hargrave
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Re: [MBZ] aerial vacuum cleaner

2009-01-26 Thread RELNGSON
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Re: [MBZ] come fly with............or perhaps not

2009-01-26 Thread Wilton Strickland
Those 2 guys running along beside it are gonna get sorta tied after a coupla miles or so, aren't they? Wilton - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:57 PM Subject: [MBZ] come fly

Re: [MBZ] Why would one do this?

2009-01-26 Thread OK Don
It has been gradually increasing every year, but perhaps not last year --- On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:20 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: i've always heard 12K/year for the national average, with 15K/year being typical for California,... -- OK Don W124 Diesels

Re: [MBZ] come fly with............or perhaps not

2009-01-26 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] aerial vacuum cleaner

2009-01-26 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread tyler
You wouldn't have to justify your automobile use to anyone but yourself! I'm not saying to make car use less practical, but to make alternatives more practical. In fact, it would make car use more practical as well with less traffic, better roads, and cheaper fuel from reduced demand. Cars

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread Mitch Haley
Tom Hargrave wrote: The issue is that LA is in a bowel Tom, pull your skirt down. Your (Freudian) slip is showing. (I always thought that D.C. was the bowel, and Chicago L.A. were the armpits) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread tyler
That's a slippery slope argument. In California, through the democratic process we have decided that we want to do something about our air quality problem but the federal government is trying to stop us. This statement is logically meaningless: political changes happen in California tend to

Re: [MBZ] L.A. smog

2009-01-26 Thread RELNGSON
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Re: [MBZ] aerial vacuum cleaner

2009-01-26 Thread Wilton Strickland
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread tyler
It's not much fun to drive a Porsche or smoke a cigar while sitting in a 3mph traffic jam on an LA freeway for hours on end with smog that makes your throat and eyes burn. Tyler Tom Hargrave wrote: The article does not address quality of life, which is far more important to me. I'll take the

Re: [MBZ] L.A. smog

2009-01-26 Thread Peter Frederick
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread OK Don
I don't understand why, because OKC is also on the prairie and we have plenty of wind. I can often see the smog sitting over the city as I drive in in the morning. We get ozone alerts, don't mow your lawn news bulletins, etc. The farmers around here have pretty much quit burning the fields, and

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread E M
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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread Tom Hargrave
The Federal Government is not trying to stop you. They are trying to manage one nationwide emission standard and one mileage standard. Why? Because allowing California to implement its own standard opens the door for other states to do the same. And cars are mass produced like anything else.

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

2009-01-26 Thread Tom Hargrave
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Re: [MBZ] L.A. smog

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[MBZ] NC cities getting rid of red light cameras

2009-01-26 Thread Mitch Haley
Seems it was all about grabbing money, not about safety. (why am I not surprised) When the N.C. Supreme court pointed out that all such traffic fines were to go directly to schools, not to the coffers of crooked city governments, the cities suddenly didn't want to pay for the red light

Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

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