I don't know of a mechanism that would cause the system to lose prime
when hot but then regain prime after it cooled off. That's not to say
that it doesn't exist, but I'd love to hear how that works.
Let me restate your problem to make sure I understand. 123 turbo diesel
- OM617.952 engine.
I need to know where to get a good repair/maintenance manual.
I need to know what the timing specs are for this automobile
I recommend three things.
1) Factory service manual on CD from MBCA (or a re-seller if MBCA is out
of stock). MBUSA Service Manuals, Owner's Manuals, etc are also on this
Max,
Really some fantastic inputs.
Thanks so very much.
Dave H...
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 07:01:04 -0400
From: meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Assistance Request
I need to know where to get a good repair/maintenance manual.
I need
--R,
Great idea.
Thank You.
Dave H...
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:51:39 -0400
From: richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Assistance Request
The factory manuals are on CD, you can get them pretty cheap, or I think
they are
It sounds like there's confusion about the S Class glass - it's a double
pane type to reduce noise and heat/cold. But I don't believe the windshield
is double paned.
They're amazing cars - but the cost to maintain them is pretty steep from
what I hear.
LarryT
91 300D
OilAnalysis Time?
Sorry - I was thinking of my sedan - I should have looked at the manual
before I spoke up.
Thx for the great explanation -
LarryT
91 300D
OilAnalysis Time?
Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters?
www.youroil.net
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The Technical Data Book will have Euro values (as well as rest of
world). EPC has two options; USA subscription (free to U.S. citizens)
and All for about $30/year. The MBUSA service manual, of course, will
not have too much Euro specific info, but there will be some
similarities.
You may want
Dieselhead wrote: I had a great Philly cheesesteak at the IHOP in Biloxi, of
all places.
The menu sandwich was stomach turning, but I asked if they could make
it with fried onions and provolone, and they said Yes, so I took a
chance. It turned out that the cook was FROM Philly, so that is why
it
No photo of just the car, but here is car and crew
So how about a photo of the real Chairman's Mercedes used by the Australian
ambassador?
Dwight
Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852
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Yes that is correct only the problem started about a year ago. Who
is still looking for rusty lines and leaks in the system.
Mike
On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-
ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
I don't know of a mechanism that would cause the system to lose prime
Thanks this is great-too bad they are aren't coming to NE-I have another
240D they could drive here.
Dwight
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.
1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
Wickford, RI
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I think the idea of the checkvalve failing and allowing it to leak down
is worth pursuing, although I don't see how it would fix itself when
cold.
Maybe run a can if Diesel Purge to clean off the seat of said check
valve?
-Max
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Nice looking crew - I hope everyone sat erect while driving that fine
car - no slouching in a Benz!
-Max, slouching at his keyboard
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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Sent: Thursday, June 17,
Does anyone have a diagram to show me what I am looking at under the hood?
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote:
WSM?
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:58 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:
You're right! If installed wrong, the engine can go to max rpm and stay
I've forgotten - what is the problem with the car, and what system do
you need a diagram of?
-Max
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Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 9:28 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Thought this was funny enough to pass on.
EdB
original link a href=
http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/1794128919.html;
http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/1794128919.html /a
32 mpg mercedes powered diesel f150 - $7500 (anderson)
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Sorry having a vacuum problem, the motor does not shut off with key, 83
240. I am pretty sure I know what the injection pump is under the hood, but
there seem to be three or four vacuum lines running to it? So am unsure
which to pull to determine source of problem.
EdB
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010
And too many stupid sellers seem to think that the double-pane (insulated)
glass is armored glass.
Wilton
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Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] a rare one for
Thanks. Mighty fine-looking family - and car.
Wilton
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] euro 280CE?
No photo of just the car, but here is car and crew
After driving 40 of the 42 miles to the old nuke plant, the old girl just
starting losing power and, when I put her in neutral as I was pulling off of
the road, she died. When I tried to start her it was as if the starter was
locked. Didn't get time to mess with it yet.
There was nothing leaking
My first thought is clogged fuel filters, but the 'locked starter' bit
is concerning. Dead starter or battery at the same time as a clogged
fuel filter?
-Max
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Sent:
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
My first thought is clogged fuel filters, but the 'locked starter' bit
is concerning. Dead starter or battery at the same time as a clogged
fuel filter?
I sure hope it isn't a seized engine at the same time as a seized engine.
But that
A Hummer with rims!
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Yep, I've been saying for years, that those ridiculous wheels look like the
wheels on Daddy's farm wagon of the late 30's/early 40's. 'Finally got back
'em.
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Now, if I could just have one of those in my '91 126 -.
Wilton
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Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 11:45 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Building a 917 engine
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Did it make strange noises or just stop? One would think it the engine was
seizing there might be some unusual
noises.
A friend had the engine oil pump give up in traffic on a bridge (in a 240D)
and it essentially ruined the engine
before he figured out what was happening and stopped but I
Hi, all.
Does anyone have a pre-chamber for an '87 190DT, 602.961?
P/N 6010101552.
I'd like to buy a good used one, as MB's $244+ is almost what I paid for
the car.
TIA
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maybe the engine locked up, try turning it over with a breaker bar and
see what it does.
Bob Rentfro wrote:
After driving 40 of the 42 miles to the old nuke plant, the old girl just
starting losing power and, when I put her in neutral as I was pulling off of
the road, she died. When I tried to
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I have to go find a 27 millimeters socket.
On Jun 17, 2010 3:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:
maybe the engine locked up, try turning it over with a breaker bar and see
what it does.
Bob Rentfro wrote:
After driving 40 of the 42 miles to the old nuke plant, the old girl
Normally i could turn the engine over by turning the power steering pulley.
Now it won't do that.
Bob are
My droid talks to text feature putting weird words sometimes
On Jun 17, 2010 3:28 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote:
I have to go find a 27 millimeters socket.
On Jun 17, 2010
does not sound good at all. Did you notice a loss of oil pressure as
this was happening? You are going to have to remove the fan and put a
27mm socket on the crank and try it. If it does not do anything, its
locked up.
Bob Rentfro wrote:
Normally i could turn the engine over by turning
I didn't notice the pressure. It made no noise and spewed no smoke. Is just
lost power and died the moment put it in neutral.
On Jun 17, 2010 3:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:
does not sound good at all. Did you notice a loss of oil pressure as this
was happening? You are
The good thing about Diesels is they will keep running as long as they are
getting air and fuel. As far as it being locked up - if it had locked up
when in gear you'd have noticed - it would have tried to slow you down *BIG*
time. It likely would not have occurred slowly - an engine locking
Ohh so i did send it? Just sent another copy because those slowies got me
confused.
Hendrik
who is busy cluttering the net with pictures
On Tue Jun 15 13:00 , Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com sent:
WILTON wrote:
BTW, photo of the real carriage would be nice.
Hinifay had one attached - you
Dunno, that's some hobbo we picked up on the side of the road on the way to the
Chairmans palace.
Hendrik
who doesn't usually pick up strangers but this one was stranger than usual
On Tue Jun 15 13:48 , 'R A Bennell' b...@mts.net sent:
Who is the fellow with the beard?
Randy
The only thing out of the ordinary i noticed lately is over the last couple
of weeks it seems like you was losing a little bit of power. I'm so ocd that
i know i should be going a certain speed by a certain sign after getting on
the freeway. Over the last 2 weeks or so, my speed have been slower
A while back I posted a picture of me, the Zakmeister and a couple of cowpeople,
who Wilton derided as not being authentic cowboys.
Hendrik
who is not very photogenic
On Tue Jun 15 13:57 , Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com sent:
Randy wrote:
Who is the fellow with the beard?
mao
Look behind
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From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D crapped out on way to work
Sent: 17 Jun '10 18:40
I didn't notice the pressure. It made no noise and spewed no smoke. Is just
lost power
Could power steering pump, alternator or AC compressor seize in such a
manner as to stall the engine. AC compressor and pulley on a '71 Chrysler
did this to me at 75 MPH on I-80 in Iowa (or is it I-84?) on a Sunday
afternoon in 1975. Suddenly, engine and everything quit; would not turn
with
I had a '69 220D engine act similarly a png time ago. It came out of a car
that was in a garage fire. I drove it about 10k - 15k miles, then on the way
to work one morning, it just acted like the throttle linkage came off,
except that it died when I put it in neutral. Couldn't crank it at all.
When I spoke to my indy on the phone eariler he mentioned I may have wiped a
bearing.
On Jun 17, 2010 5:50 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
I had a '69 220D engine act similarly a png time ago. It came out of a car
that was in a garage fire. I drove it about 10k - 15k miles, then on the way
to
Did it make strange noises or just stop? One would think it the engine
was seizing there might be some unusual noises.
I was on the back of my brother's toilet-seat 90 when it
seized. No unusual noises at all, it just started slowing
down and then finally locked the rear wheel.
Something is
First thing you do whenever anything is 'odd' is to scan
the gauges. Would have been good info to have now.
-- Jim
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Anyone know anything about (old) lawn tractor transaxles?
I have an old wheel horse riding mower that just lost all forward and
reverse movement. It's about 25 years old.
The transaxle has three forward gears and reverse. There's a pully on
top that's driven by belt from the clutch on the
The belt and pully are moving so it doesn't seem to be the
clutch or belt slipping.
Yeah? You left one out. What's the pulley _shaft_ doing?
-- Jim
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Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu writes:
The transaxle has three forward gears and reverse. There's a pully on
top that's driven by belt from the clutch on the bottom of the engine in
front. The belt and pully are moving so it doesn't seem to be the
clutch or belt slipping.
Hm, as I read
I have seen 240D's do this, running fine then they just die, but its a
loss of compression, no locking up.
Bob Rentfro wrote:
I didn't notice the pressure. It made no noise and spewed no smoke. Is just
lost power and died the moment put it in neutral.
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yes, that is possible as well although I would think the belt would be
squeeling.
WILTON wrote:
Could power steering pump, alternator or AC compressor seize in such a
manner as to stall the engine. AC compressor and pulley on a '71
Chrysler did this to me at 75 MPH on I-80 in Iowa (or is it
Ask and ye shall receive.
Hendrik
who needs to change the batteries in the camera
On Tue Jun 15 8:33 , 'Dwight E. Giles, Jr' degco...@cox.net sent:
So how about a photo of the real Chairman's Mercedes used by the Australian
ambassador?
Dwight
Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E.
I just tried to turn it by handhave the 27mm on it with a 24 breaker
bar and I cannot turn it at all. RIP?
Bob R
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:
I have seen 240D's do this, running fine then they just die, but its a loss
of compression, no
Where are you changing those batteries? Tulsa? Claremore?
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote:
Ask and ye shall receive.
Hendrik
who needs to change the batteries in the camera
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Panic! (the national past time).
Most likely. Shouldn't be too hard to find another engine ---
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote:
I just tried to turn it by handhave the 27mm on it with a 24 breaker
bar and I cannot turn it at all. RIP?
Bob R
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Panic! (the national past
yep, you might be able to tear it down and rebuild it, but usually when
the lock its best to just find a good used motor, or scrap the car.
That would be a shame though.
Bob Rentfro wrote:
I just tried to turn it by handhave the 27mm on it with a 24 breaker
bar and I cannot turn it at
I see mao in the background there, that is one strange dude.
Hendrik and Fay wrote:
Ask and ye shall receive.
Hendrik
who needs to change the batteries in the camera
On Tue Jun 15 8:33 , 'Dwight E. Giles, Jr' degco...@cox.net sent:
So how about a photo of the real Chairman's Mercedes
The issue is now deciding how much I want to put into it.
It needs a tranny, the front end rebuilt, new back seat seatback, HAVC
workand now an engine. I have to decide where to draw the line.
Bob R
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:
yep, you might
Hmm - this is a123? Sounds like it's time to move up to a 124.
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote:
The issue is now deciding how much I want to put into it.
It needs a tranny, the front end rebuilt, new back seat seatback, HAVC
workand now an engine. I
Yupnow it's a broke W123. I was thinking of maybe moving into the
'80's.live wild and get a turbo. Maybe an '85 300D.
What do I now do with this broke one? All you clowns are too far away.
Bob R
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 7:06 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
Hmm - this is a123? Sounds
Allan Streib wrote:
Hm, as I read that I'm wondering if the pully itself is slipping on its
shaft. Maybe a broken woodruff key or something like that... Gonna
have to give that a look-see this weekend.
When my 1967 Cub Cadet did that, it was a roll pin in the driveshaft. Tranny
input shaft
Park it in your front yard like Mao ---
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote:
Yupnow it's a broke W123. I was thinking of maybe moving into the
'80's.live wild and get a turbo. Maybe an '85 300D.
What do I now do with this broke one? All you clowns
It does look nice. Mine will never rust like that, though.
Bob R
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 7:15 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
Park it in your front yard like Mao ---
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote:
Yupnow it's a broke W123. I was thinking of
Loosen the belt and see if the engine will turn.
Wilton
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D crapped out on way to work
I just tried to turn it by
The belt on the alternator is loose enough that I can turn the alternator by
hand. I cannot budge the engine. I'm sad.
Bob R
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 7:19 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
Loosen the belt and see if the engine will turn.
Wilton
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In background? Where?
Wilton
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From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] euro 280CE?
I see mao in the background there, that is one strange dude.
Long ago I had a similar incident while at speed where an external oil line
broke and all the oil was pumped overboard. I smelled something and finally
looked at the pressure gauge which of course read naught.
I had a hell of a time finding a place to get the machine stopped safely.
Spun a
Probably because of the thick double glazing.
Hendrik
who does not own a 140
On Tue Jun 15 18:52 , 'Kaleb C. Striplin' ka...@striplin.net sent:
why do all these stupid people think these cars are armored?
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Ummnh yeah sorry, snags are an Oz term for sausages, the poms call them bangers
and you make them out of turkeys.
Hendrik
who passed on the turkey snags
On Wed Jun 16 6:25 , andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com sent:
Snags?? Never heard of that one.
SNAG = Sensitive, New-Age Guy.
On
But it's not armored-glass-thick.
Wilton
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] a rare one for Wilton
Probably because of the thick double
My apologies if I have asked and received help on this topic previously.
Does anyone have an exploded diagram of the lurch-restraints struts on a
W123 300TD manual?
I need to see the order in which the bushing-kit components fit to the
strut and upper and lower mounts.
The kit (A 123 240
I'm betting/hoping it's a seized accessory. My first '78 300D had the AC
compressor partially seize and the engine stalled while idling. It was hard
to start since the AC clutch was still engaged, but it ran OK once it
started and the ACC was turned off.
Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
We'll keep that in mind for the next time we visit.
Hendrik
who is driving a Ford edge SUV
On Thu Jun 17 6:10 , 'Dwight E. Giles, Jr' degco...@cox.net sent:
Thanks this is great-too bad they are aren't coming to NE-I have another
240D they could drive here.
Dwight
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978
I have to decide where to draw the line
The line may have been drawn, depending on how attached you are to it. How
is the body and the interior besides the bad rear seatback? Most 300D's of
similar age have tired front end components anyway. If you would be putting
it in the shop for the
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 19:18:04 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote:
It does look nice. Mine will never rust like that, though.
You can aid that process with a sprinkler and a little rock salt ...
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What about the AC and PS belts? They are the easiest ones since they can be
loosened from the top. Don't give up until you loosen them and check their
pulleys. If they turn, the engine is finito.
Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
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AC belt is off, alternor can be turned by hand.
It;s the engine I'm afraid.
Bob R
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote:
What about the AC and PS belts? They are the easiest ones since they can
be loosened from the top. Don't give up until you loosen them and
All done, I brought some from Oz, thinking that the US would not be advanced
enough to have AA batteries.
Hendrik
who needs to get some more AA's to feed the camera
On Thu Jun 17 20:48 , OK Don okd...@gmail.com sent:
Where are you changing those batteries? Tulsa? Claremore?
On Thu, Jun 17,
What's the body like, if it is good you may want to spend money but if the body
is rough and has rust, shoot it and get another.
Hendrik
who is trying to work out he OK alcohol laws
On Thu Jun 17 18:53 , Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com sent:
The issue is now deciding how much I want to put into
This '77 300D engine, after many miles of loyal service in the Arizona
desert heat, will now be laid to rest. All 5 pistons and rods are now at
ONE with the crank forever.
RIP.
Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
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