Re: [MBZ] famous sl
There are six lines of type describing the car. The words 'Buck Owens' appear in four of them. The 350SL is really one of the best ( if not the best ) of the 107 chassis cars. It's a shame they can't spend just a little time talking about the car. Buck would have wanted it that way .. From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 11:06 PM Subject: [MBZ] famous sl http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-SL-Class-2-Door-Buck-Owens-72-350-SL-/181191765464?pt=US_Cars_Truckshash=item2a2fdeedd8vxp=mtr ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The rusty green 116 SD with a worn out rear seat is now on ebay
Yep, all the horse hair is gone from under the tex. Horse hair has that kind of reaction to flood waters, makes it kinda just rot away (c: That's a real good $200 car. Not much more. From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The rusty green 116 SD with a worn out rear seat is now on ebay What's the story with the back seat? Looks like rats have got in there and eaten the stuffing? Hendrik who has not seen a seat like that On 06/08/13 10:21, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I guess I will bid and see where it ends up. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200949991391 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] famous sl
You have to wonder how well maintained it was. Look at how dirty the engine compartment is. Bakersfield is a nasty place for a car. Dan On Aug 7, 2013, at 7:04 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: There are six lines of type describing the car. The words 'Buck Owens' appear in four of them. The 350SL is really one of the best ( if not the best ) of the 107 chassis cars. It's a shame they can't spend just a little time talking about the car. Buck would have wanted it that way .. From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 11:06 PM Subject: [MBZ] famous sl http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-SL-Class-2-Door-Buck-Owens-72-350-SL-/181191765464?pt=US_Cars_Truckshash=item2a2fdeedd8vxp=mtr ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trademark Ownership, Stars and Porches
You are correct! It is a very muddy issue! Porsche also used the argument that a calendar was a product they offeras well as the trademark issue -- unfortunately they don't worry about being seen as Bad guys - they will protect their images. We have had people on the Porsche list get letters from Porsche asking they take their websites down because they contained the word Porsche !! How's that for being a good corporate entity?On the plus side they didn't appear to push the issue too hard against individuals just wanting to show pride of ownership... a business is another matter though - As far as photos -- they stated clearly that they feel they own any photos of your car - which seems as bizarre to me as it does to you but that's what they say. I guess the $50k in lawyer fees to push them back is not something anyone wishes to fight - and they use that to their benefit... LarryT On 8/7/2013 12:04 AM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: I am no expert but it depends on whether you profit from the sale of the calenders. Porsche and others would look like real bad guys if they went after some bloke who did a favour for a group of owners. Sure technically they got the whole thing sown up to protect their intellectual property/trademark but they would have to show cause as to how they suffered as a result of you creating a calender, They may argue perhaps, that instead of buying the official calender from Porsche, they bought yours. Also I am free to publish photos of my car, as long as I don't profit from it, such as creating the 300TE calender. Then there is question of who owns the right to buildings, the architect, the builder, the owner, no one. Such as the Eiffel tower or even the statue of liberty. Are they public domain. Then there is facebook, who claim to own every picture posted there, so if I posted a picture of my 300TE in front of the Sydney opera house, would they own it and be able to make a calender from it? What about the less famous models, such as the S124, we all know that the Gullwing is copyrighted or whatever by Daimler but did they bother with the S124 or do they do it automatically for every car? Far as race cars go, I think you would still need the permission of the owner if you where going to profit from the picture of their car. Hendrik whose brain is now hurting, so will stop thinking for a while On 07/08/13 04:55, Larry T wrote: Speaking of owning designs and such -- back when I owned a small (very small) publishng company I thought it's be nice to produce some calendars showing the Porsche 911s owned by members of forum I participate in. After collecting lots of great photos from list members I decided to ask Porsche for permission to publish a calendar showing the Porsches. Because I didn't want to spend $10K - $20K for printing and end up with paperweights if I were to receive a cease desist Order from Porsche. Sure enough, they claim to own the designs and therefore the images of any type showing their 911s - whether provided by the current owners of the cars or not! Talk about control! So you think you own your Mercedes? Try to publish a photo of it. Naturally MB would only chase someone if it were a big deal... Ain't that a hoot?? Surprising (to me at least) is that race cars are not copyrighted in the same way as production cars are, so I could publish race cars but not street cars. LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The rusty green 116 SD with a worn out rear seat is now on ebay
Unfortunately, beginning around 1972/3 the US market cars were required to have flame retardant in the horsehair. Turns out that in addition to being toxic, the flame retardants used were also acidic and destroyed the horsehair. That's why early 108 and 115 seats are usually fine, but any 115 from 1973 on will very likely need seat pads. Ditto the 107, 116, and early 123 models. I think the formula must have improved in 80 or 81 along with the change to MBtex v3, as I have not seen nearly the same rate of failure on v2 W123 vehicles etc. The good news is that rear seat bottom pads for W116 are once again freely available, cheap, and can be replaced in about 15 minutes by just about anyone, so there's no excuse to leave it looking like that. D. On 2013-08-07 Hendrik and Fay wrote: What's the story with the back seat? Looks like rats have got in there and eaten the stuffing? Hendrik who has not seen a seat like that On 06/08/13 10:21, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I guess I will bid and see where it ends up. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200949991391 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
Or a Husky or Echo or any semi-pro saw sold at a real saw shop. The cheap homeowner saws are junk and you get zero support. My Dad is hilarious, he made fun of me for buying my Husky. In our family you don't buy a saw, you wait awhile and somebody gives you one. The thing is the ones you get given are never very good. After I bought the Husky he bought a Poulin like Kaleb's and has had about the same results although he paid a lot less. He now admits my Husky is a good saw. -Curt Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 14:29:17 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: CACnCPhk7zfq-QoVi3QnFKN3X0DCS-vAmKk=8h=bzi55bh0j...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'd just get a Stihl. They just work. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
Actually yours is pretty much the same story as Kaleb's. There is pretty much no QA on most anything brought over from China. A great manufacturer recognizes that they periodically made a dud and it doesn't take many duds to ruin a reputation. So they pick one out of a hundred (or whatever) and test it until it fails to prove they're making good stuff. A rotten manufacturer decides we've got enough safeguards in our process that we CAN'T make bad stuff so we don't need to test. At which point a bad run of product is almost inevitable. I went through this in 2004 when a run of boards my employer had had made turned up to be 50% bad. That is to say we had a 50% DOA rate which is completely unacceptable and unsupportable. For us in support it was an absolute nightmare as replacement boards had the same 50% DOA rate so we had to specify boards from the repair center. Then the repair center found they couldn't fix the DOA boards, they were so bad, so we quickly ran out of good boards. The manufacturer closed down for retooling and we were stuck for 6 months... I suspect if you disassembled both engines you'd find the good one meets closer tolerances. Probably something like the timing ring or a valve stem is off by a couple thou, not enough that you'd notice in casual inspection but enough to kill cold starts. -Curt Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:07:40 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: 5201659c.8070...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed A bit of a different story as I am going to comment on 2 f4 stroke clones of Honda engines. One has been amazing. We have it on a wood splitter out at the lake. The very first time I tried to start it, I had just bolted it on and filled it with oil and gas. I pulled the cord and it started on the first pull. A year or more later, I pulled the tarp off and the same thing happened. It started immediately with no fresh gas etc. On the other hand, I have new (or at least I bought it new a couple of years ago) pressure washer. It has never started well. If I pop off the cover on the air cleaner and squirt some gas in, it will fire up. If I don't do that, it will not start when cold. Very similar looking engines. I have no real idea why one is great and the other is a pain. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
Not just good engineering, Quality Control. This is something American car makers didn't learn until well into the '90s. I think it was on here somebody told a good anecdote where an American car maker paired up with an Asian one and learned about strict quality control... -Curt Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:53:27 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: 52017057.9050...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I think it is called good engineering. Although, Honda has the odd dud too. I just got off the phone with a client who was telling me his uncle stopped by with a brand spanking new Honda Accord. When his uncle tried to leave, the car would not start. The starter whirrs but it does not turn over the engine. Better than that, he has been told he will have to wait a few days as they have no parts for the new cars in stock. I suggested he tell them he wants them to pull one from a new car on the lot in order to get him moving again. Randy On 06/08/2013 4:41 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I'm still trying to figure out how Honda makes my lawn mower start on the first pull every time. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
Not just good engineering, Quality Control. This is something American car makers didn't learn until well into the '90s. I think it was on here somebody told a good anecdote where an American car maker paired up with an Asian one and learned about strict quality control... -Curt That is the frod madza transmission story. Two well-publicized examples in practice have given credence to this theory. In one case, Ford and Mazda were producing identical transmission components in the United States and Japan using the same blueprints, equip- ment, and processes. The Ford assemblies were experiencing a higher rate of field failures. Upon examining the critical dimensions produced by the Ford plant, all were found to be within acceptable tolerances. However, upon exam- ining the Mazda-built components, nearly all were precisely on target with almost no variation within the allowable tolerance. The explanation is that in mechanical assemblies, excessive variation from design targets causes prema- ture wear, eventually resulting in early field failure. A second example was published in the Japanese newspaper Ashai com- paring the warranty cost differences of Sony televisions at a Japanese and San Diego plant. A critical product characteristic is color density. For this charac- teristic, all units produced at the San Diego plant were within the design toler-ance, while a small proportion of those shipped from the Japanese plant were not. However, the average loss per unit from the San Diego plant was $.89 larger than that of the Japanese plant. It was discovered that units out of speci- fication were adjusted at the San Diego plant (adding more cost to the pro- cess), but rarely to the target value. In the Japanese plant, the color density of the vast majority of units were produced close to the target value (see Exhibit 1-3). The further the color density was from the target value, the more likely customers will complain and require an adjustment (adding to warranty costs). From Exhibit 1-3 it is clear that the U.S.-made units required significantly more warranty adjustments than the Japanese-made counterparts. The chair- man of Sony explained the difference this way (Sullivan, 1984): When we tell one of our Japanese employees that the measurement of a certain part must be within a tolerance of plus or minus five, for example, he will auto- matically strive to get that part as close to zero tolerance as possible. When we started our plant in the United States, we found that workers would follow in- structions perfectly. But if we said make it between plus or minus five, they would get it somewhere near plus or minus five all right, but rarely as close to zero as the Japanese workers did. The reduction of variation is the cornerstone of the Deming philosophy. As variation decreases, so will costs, resulting in higher levels of profit and con- sumer satisfaction. First source I stumbled over: http://www.flexstudy.com/catalog/schpdf.cfm?coursenum=9529a Bottom half of page 10. Basic quality 101 stuff. Unfortunately more people know the names of 20 (c)rappers than know quality 101. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
Ford and Mazda. Started with the second generation Escort in 1990. I bought one of the first ones in Wisconsin. Excellent car. Dan On Aug 7, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Not just good engineering, Quality Control. This is something American car makers didn't learn until well into the '90s. I think it was on here somebody told a good anecdote where an American car maker paired up with an Asian one and learned about strict quality control... -Curt Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 16:53:27 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: 52017057.9050...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I think it is called good engineering. Although, Honda has the odd dud too. I just got off the phone with a client who was telling me his uncle stopped by with a brand spanking new Honda Accord. When his uncle tried to leave, the car would not start. The starter whirrs but it does not turn over the engine. Better than that, he has been told he will have to wait a few days as they have no parts for the new cars in stock. I suggested he tell them he wants them to pull one from a new car on the lot in order to get him moving again. Randy On 06/08/2013 4:41 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I'm still trying to figure out how Honda makes my lawn mower start on the first pull every time. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
I tried that. It will act like it wants to start then dies out again. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2013, at 7:15 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: This thing has to be vapor locking. Next time it dies, take off the fuel cap and put it back on. Might have a pinched tank vent hose. Mitch. If there is a good saw shop in the area that will work on poulan, pay them to fix it. Otherwise try taking it back where you got it. You have nothing to lose at this point. In defense of poulan, i have a couple of them, and they start and run well. One is at daughter's house for hurricane duty and beating back the jungle. The other is in as Curt would say Camp and it is used for occasional dead trees etc. The only problem I have had is the fuel pickup hose rotting away, and that is with only 100% gasoline, or at least what is sold now as crappy 100% gasoline. So, no it is not caused by ethanol. It is caused by the crap they sell as gasoline now. The last hose I got lasted only 1-2 years. that is bad. The saw has to be partially taken apart to change the flippin hose. +1 for stihl. My little Stihl 015 is 30 years old and never had a problem. But I dump out gas and run it out before I put it away. I have used it for cutting trees over 26 dia with its little 12 bar. This is the saw I prefer for most things. The biggest problem with gas engines is crappy gasoline. The problems are exaserbated in small engines. +1 for Where's the Diesel chain saws? +1 for a Diesel BMW R75 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cARB TOOLS
Wow, a toolkit to get a handle on my carbs! On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rick Hawkins Java wrote: HERE'S ONE http://www.amazon.com/**Homelite-CARB-ADJUSTMENT-TOOL-** PAC-MAN/dp/B000PLV9R2http://www.amazon.com/Homelite-CARB-ADJUSTMENT-TOOL-PAC-MAN/dp/B000PLV9R2 here's another http://www.amazon.com/DOUBLE-**ADJUSTING-308535002-Homelite-** Craftsman/dp/B009LA6MAM/ref=**pd_sim_lg_1http://www.amazon.com/DOUBLE-ADJUSTING-308535002-Homelite-Craftsman/dp/B009LA6MAM/ref=pd_sim_lg_1 what do you need one for? what brand machine?? That's two out of three of the major ones. Being it's a Poulan, Kleb probably needs the Husky/Poulan/Weed Eater splined driver. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trademark Ownership, Stars and such --** WAS **Motor Mounts
Thanks - now I have a great excuse to explain to people precisely why I am not a Porsche owner. On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Speaking of owning designs and such -- back when I owned a small (very small) publishng company I thought it's be nice to produce some calendars showing the Porsche 911s owned by members of forum I participate in. After collecting lots of great photos from list members I decided to ask Porsche for permission to publish a calendar showing the Porsches. Because I didn't want to spend $10K - $20K for printing and end up with paperweights if I were to receive a cease desist Order from Porsche. Sure enough, they claim to own the designs and therefore the images of any type showing their 911s - whether provided by the current owners of the cars or not! Talk about control! So you think you own your Mercedes? Try to publish a photo of it. Naturally MB would only chase someone if it were a big deal... Ain't that a hoot?? Surprising (to me at least) is that race cars are not copyrighted in the same way as production cars are, so I could publish race cars but not street cars. LarryT 91 300d I suspect Mercedes would do the same thing... On 8/5/2013 4:15 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: the star got there at point of original manufacture by phoenix. benz contracted phoenix to make it and the star was part of the design On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:06 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: So, how'd the star get on there? Legally, originally, or by hook and crook? Did I miss that? Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts even before production began. the star is owned by ed by merecedes and only they can use or give persmission to use it On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:55 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: In a word, lawyers. Copyright, trademarks, licensing agreements signed when production began, etc. On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'My thoughts, too, re. grinding the star. Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts What isn't lear to me is why someone would take the trouble to grind off the tristar. It's like taking a Dremel tool to the face of a genuine Rolex. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.buyeuroparts.com/* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
Not just good engineering, Quality Control. This is something American car makers didn't learn until well into the '90s. -Curt Just about the time they also decided that they could ship it all to Mexico and China and continue to make 'quality' products. Richard ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] famous sl
i suggested it to a woman whose dad was good friends with buck owens and she got a little upset. apparently, her memories of buck are not fond On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: You have to wonder how well maintained it was. Look at how dirty the engine compartment is. Bakersfield is a nasty place for a car. Dan On Aug 7, 2013, at 7:04 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: There are six lines of type describing the car. The words 'Buck Owens' appear in four of them. The 350SL is really one of the best ( if not the best ) of the 107 chassis cars. It's a shame they can't spend just a little time talking about the car. Buck would have wanted it that way .. From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 11:06 PM Subject: [MBZ] famous sl http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-SL-Class-2-Door-Buck-Owens-72-350-SL-/181191765464?pt=US_Cars_Truckshash=item2a2fdeedd8vxp=mtr ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT anyone have experience and opinion on late model trucks?
I am starting to think I should update my truck. My current 02 F150 Supercrew has been good but is essentially, 12 model years old and has about 280K Kil on it. It is getting some rust in the rocker panels and the front seats are wearing out and need repairs. Apart from that, it is really quite good. It is worth very little and the plan would be to pass it on to my younger son and find something newer. I generally do not buy new. I bought this one in mid 2006 with about 146K kil on it then. I have had relatively good luck with it so far. I have replaced things like tires and brakes and batteries but not much else. 3 or 4 COP's but they were not the fault of the truck. It related to a short on an aftermarket remote starter that had been installed prior to my ownership. I have not heard great things about some of the Ford trucks in the later years. They tend to have some engine issues that mine has not. The brand new Fords have a different bunch of engines that may be better but again, I don't usually buy new. If I stay away from Ford that really leaves me with GM and Dodge as I have no plans to buy a Toyota or any of the other import trucks. I have never owned a Chrysler product but might be willing to try a Ram truck. I am tempted to diesels for obvious reasons but don't really need a 3/4 ton so that is likely not going to happen. I want another crew cab setup as I think that is best thing to come along in a long while. Thoughts?? What are you seeing in prices in the USA? Looking at trucks on line last night seems to indicate that the prices are high here. For example, the used truck place that I bought my current truck from has an 07 or 08 GM crew that is pretty loaded and has 140K kil on it listed for $23K. I paid about $17K for this current one in 06. A decent new one would run $36K plus taxes of 13%. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] famous sl
Somebody down the road was flogging an SL that belonged to Ivana Trump. I had seen the car around, it had a decent respray and the interior supposedly had been redone, anyway it looked nice. Not sure what Ivana was doing to it that trashed the paint and interior. I guess they must have sold it as I have not seen it for awhile. --R (Ivana new SL) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 123 Wagon Project in PA
Looks like this could be a good deal for someone who has the time to put it all back together: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1724958-rust-free-83-wagon-body-engine.html#post5894755 Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
The great irony here is that the Japanese learned quality management from the US after WWII (Google: W. Edwards Demming). The US developed/used these quality approaches for the massive WWII war production. The ironic part is that US industry then blew off all these quality lessons after the war and focused on just making money, which wasn't hard for the only surviving industrial base in the world. That came to a grinding halt when the Japanese (using quality methods learned from us) became the world leader for quality back in the 80s and 90s. We older folks recall the 50s and 60s when made in Japan meant junk. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 10:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Not just good engineering, Quality Control. This is something American car makers didn't learn until well into the '90s. I think it was on here somebody told a good anecdote where an American car maker paired up with an Asian one and learned about strict quality control... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fw: 91 350SDL
This can make a mighty fine vehicle for somebody. 'Best driving/riding car I've seen during my 64 years of driving. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:08 PM Subject: 91 350SDL Oil analysis via LarryT confirms coolant in oil Oil does not have cafe au lait, etc., look, though. Like I said: PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER. '91 350SDL, Purchased in 1995 @ 79 kmi; now 204.5 kmi., 040 Black, no rust that I know of, several cracks in paint on hood, several small bird-doo etchings on roof, aluminum replacement trunk lid installed Jun '12 because of vandalism, should be stripped to aluminum and repainted appropriately for alum; palomino leather int., worn spot at lower left corner of driver backrest, torn seam on top of rear seat backrest. Usually starts with just a touch of the starter Cruise and climate control work nicely. Following is a list of several repairs, etc., in addition to the usual Mobil 1 oil, filters, glow plugs, alignments, balancing, and lots of other stuff during 18 years that I don't remember: Broken timing chain in Apr '96; new timing chain, several valves, lifters, shaved head, gasket, etc., -- bunch of stuff I don't remember -- May '96, 89 kmi Hit deer in Jun '96; R R left headlight assembly, LF door and fender; repairs to LF corner of hood; repainted hood, LF door and fender. Windshield replaced w/PPG unit Jun '99 Mobil 1 since '01 Shutdown actuator May '01 Inj. Pump seal rings Jun '01 Ign. tumbler Aug '01, 148 kmi New radiator and hoses Dec '02 New blower fan and controller/porcupine in '03, 162 kmi Bilstein shocks, sway bar links, shift link bushings in '04 Michelin tires; lower ball joints tie rod ends Oct '04, 175 kmi Tranny rebuilt Jun '07, 186 kmi Precautionary timing chain R R Mar '09, 191 kmi Power steering pump ~ '10 Glow plugs, thermostat, rad hose, belt Sep '10 AC exp valve, dryer, switches Sep '10 Brake pads ~'11, 197 kmi Rear windshield Apr '12 Lower rad hose Jun '13 Radio inop - disconnected because of trickle draw on bat - sending retraction signal to fully retracted antenna. Clock inop Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
The great irony here is that the Japanese learned quality management from the US after WWII (Google: W. Edwards Demming). The US developed/used these quality approaches for the massive WWII war production. The ironic part is that US industry then blew off all these quality lessons after the war and focused on just making money, which wasn't hard for the only surviving industrial base in the world. That came to a grinding halt when the Japanese (using quality methods learned from us) became the world leader for quality back in the 80s and 90s. We older folks recall the 50s and 60s when made in Japan meant junk. Hear Hear! (visualize Ben Franklin stomping his cane on the floor.) (ASQ Senior member) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Craig's List stuff
Can/will somebody tell me 'bout putting stuff (a car) on Craig's List? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Craig's List stuff
How 'bout Bring a Trailer? Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON To: mercedes list Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: Craig's List stuff Can/will somebody tell me 'bout putting stuff (a car) on Craig's List? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Craig's List stuff
ON CL you'll get lowballers, tire kickers, and ignorant time-wasters for a car that has this problem. They would probably either offer you scrap price or something similar, if you even got a real offer. It might be best to give us an idea of what you would take for it, and see if any of us are willing to take it on. --R On 8/7/13 1:34 PM, WILTON wrote: How 'bout Bring a Trailer? Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON To: mercedes list Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: Craig's List stuff Can/will somebody tell me 'bout putting stuff (a car) on Craig's List? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] God intervenes on a Benz
For real. Watch the vid. http://www.connecttristates.com/news/story.aspx?list=194622id=930741 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
On 07/08/2013 12:08 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: The great irony here is that the Japanese learned quality management from the US after WWII (Google: W. Edwards Demming). The US developed/used these quality approaches for the massive WWII war production. The ironic part is that US industry then blew off all these quality lessons after the war and focused on just making money, which wasn't hard for the only surviving industrial base in the world. That came to a grinding halt when the Japanese (using quality methods learned from us) became the world leader for quality back in the 80s and 90s. We older folks recall the 50s and 60s when made in Japan meant junk. Don't think your timing is correct. The small Japanese motor bikes in the mid 60's were great. Maybe other Japanese products were not as good but they were well on their way to sorting out any problems by the mid 60's. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 Wagon Project in PA
I love the color combination. What do they call that dark, blackish blue? BTW, I still have a few interior door panels and rear hatch panels in blue and palomino for a W123 sedan or wagon if anyone is interested. All are in prime condition and priced to move. Andrew On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Looks like this could be a good deal for someone who has the time to put it all back together: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1724958-rust-free-83-wagon-body-engine.html#post5894755 Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw.. NOW Quality and Production
I visited my doc a month or two ago, and he casually mentioned his grandparents had left their papers to Purdue Univ where I went, did not know much more than that about it. His grandfather and grandmother were the Cheaper by the Dozen family, and his father was one of the dozen. (The house is still on Nantucket, my doc goes there now and again). I knew about that. Anyway, I did not know anything about this so I looked it up -- Frank and Lillian Gilbreth were the pioneers of time and motion studies, and were quite well known in the 20s on (or even earlier). This applied to the dozen and keeping that whole enterprise going. Judging by my doc, the whole family is quite interesting. He says some of his cousins still live on Nantucket and are somewhat, uh, eccentric, imagine that. Anyway, kinda interesting stuff. You can google their names and get a lot of info. http://gilbrethnetwork.tripod.com/bio.html --R On 8/7/13 1:08 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: The great irony here is that the Japanese learned quality management from the US after WWII (Google: W. Edwards Demming). The US developed/used these quality approaches for the massive WWII war production. The ironic part is that US industry then blew off all these quality lessons after the war and focused on just making money, which wasn't hard for the only surviving industrial base in the world. That came to a grinding halt when the Japanese (using quality methods learned from us) became the world leader for quality back in the 80s and 90s. We older folks recall the 50s and 60s when made in Japan meant junk. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 10:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Not just good engineering, Quality Control. This is something American car makers didn't learn until well into the '90s. I think it was on here somebody told a good anecdote where an American car maker paired up with an Asian one and learned about strict quality control... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] God intervenes on a Benz
Hardly a miracle if the fire truck had the tools needed to cut through the sheet metal. That said, the disappearing priest is another matter... On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: For real. Watch the vid. http://www.connecttristates.**com/news/story.aspx?list=**194622id=930741http://www.connecttristates.com/news/story.aspx?list=194622id=930741 --R __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 Wagon Project in PA
Nice. Wish I had the extra cash. I would love to have a wagon. Mike On Aug 7, 2013 1:08 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Looks like this could be a good deal for someone who has the time to put it all back together: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1724958-rust-free-83-wagon-body-engine.html#post5894755 Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
Dieselhead wrote: +1 for Where's the Diesel chain saws? It's old and underpowered. Comet A or Comet B, or a Jonsered XA. A couple youtube videos of them. From http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAUjEsgPXJI From http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXR3ZOPlRys --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] God intervenes on a Benz
It was Mercedes metal, much stronger than anything else. Was overcoming the saws, they could not get into the car to get the driver out. They said so in the vid. It was a milagro! --R On 8/7/13 2:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Hardly a miracle if the fire truck had the tools needed to cut through the sheet metal. That said, the disappearing priest is another matter... On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: For real. Watch the vid. http://www.connecttristates.**com/news/story.aspx?list=**194622id=930741http://www.connecttristates.com/news/story.aspx?list=194622id=930741 --R __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
Tut tut sir, American cars (which is a mis-nomer but lets stick with it, I obviously mean the big 3) are of comparable, some would even say higher, quality to the Asian brands right now. In particular Honda and Toyota are in a bit of trouble lately. I wonder if maybe they've gotten bit by the same bug that caught Mercedes 20 years ago? When it comes to rental cars lately I prefer American, specifically Ford if it comes right down to it. -Curt Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:45:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: 1375890327.46902.yahoomail...@web161003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not just good engineering, Quality Control. This is something American car makers didn't learn until well into the '90s. -Curt Just about the time they also decided that they could ship it all to Mexico and China and continue to make 'quality' products. Richard ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw.. NOW Quality and Production
I visited my doc a month or two ago, and he casually mentioned his grandparents had left their papers to Purdue Univ where I went, did not know much more than that about it. His grandfather and grandmother were the Cheaper by the Dozen family, and his father was one of the dozen. (The house is still on Nantucket, my doc goes there now and again). I knew about that. Anyway, I did not know anything about this so I looked it up -- Frank and Lillian Gilbreth were the pioneers of time and motion studies, and were quite well known in the 20s on (or even earlier). This applied to the dozen and keeping that whole enterprise going. Judging by my doc, the whole family is quite interesting. He says some of his cousins still live on Nantucket and are somewhat, uh, eccentric, imagine that. Anyway, kinda interesting stuff. You can google their names and get a lot of info. http://gilbrethnetwork.tripod.com/bio.html --R Productivity, yes. Quality no. Gilbreath is the pioneer of time and motion studies, the backbone of industrial engineering for decades. Time studies and bean counters led to the downfall of merkun quality. Therbligs was the measure. Enter Dr. Deming, who really just took Shewhart's work and popularized it, and Ford's discovery of its crappy quality. Shewhart's control charts are one of the many tools of quality. The rise of quality led to the near demise of industrial engineering, while industrial technologists rose. Later the colleges of engineering woke up, discovered quality, and used their clout to destroy Industrial Technology departments in academia, thus assuring the resurgence of industrial engineering. What is left of time and motion studies became ergonomics or occupational engineering but therbligs are out Anyhow, a good primer on Quality is Walter Shewhart's book. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT anyone have experience and opinion on late model trucks?
Used truck prices are very high right now, actually used vehicle prices in general are very high right now. I've been kind of keeping an eye out and anything in the $10-$15k range is pretty well beat. I think it makes a lot of sense to buy new, especially since the manufacturers are giving HUGE incentives, especially for financing. You should be able to get 0% financing or close to it, thats free money... The other day when my 240D played its most recent game I ended up with a 2013 Chevy SIlverado. I dunno what engine but it had plenty of power in the top end though not much down low. Towing a 240D on a trailer was an interesting experience. Fortunately it had a manual automatic (I dunno what you call those now) and we spent a lot of time in 3rd (of 6) gear climbing the hills to my house. It was a crew cab like yours, plenty big and comfortable. Didn't seem to use much fuel but I can't really gauge as I didn't drive it that much. -Curt Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 12:03:32 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT anyone have experience and opinion on late model trucks? Message-ID: 52027de4.60...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am starting to think I should update my truck. My current 02 F150 Supercrew has been good but is essentially, 12 model years old and has about 280K Kil on it. It is getting some rust in the rocker panels and the front seats are wearing out and need repairs. Apart from that, it is really quite good. It is worth very little and the plan would be to pass it on to my younger son and find something newer. I generally do not buy new. I bought this one in mid 2006 with about 146K kil on it then. I have had relatively good luck with it so far. I have replaced things like tires and brakes and batteries but not much else. 3 or 4 COP's but they were not the fault of the truck. It related to a short on an aftermarket remote starter that had been installed prior to my ownership. I have not heard great things about some of the Ford trucks in the later years. They tend to have some engine issues that mine has not. The brand new Fords have a different bunch of engines that may be better but again, I don't usually buy new. If I stay away from Ford that really leaves me with GM and Dodge as I have no plans to buy a Toyota or any of the other import trucks. I have never owned a Chrysler product but might be willing to try a Ram truck. I am tempted to diesels for obvious reasons but don't really need a 3/4 ton so that is likely not going to happen. I want another crew cab setup as I think that is best thing to come along in a long while. Thoughts?? What are you seeing in prices in the USA? Looking at trucks on line last night seems to indicate that the prices are high here. For example, the used truck place that I bought my current truck from has an 07 or 08 GM crew that is pretty loaded and has 140K kil on it listed for $23K. I paid about $17K for this current one in 06. A decent new one would run $36K plus taxes of 13%. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Metals development WAS: God intervenes on a Benz
It was Mercedes metal, much stronger than anything else. Was overcoming the saws, they could not get into the car to get the driver out. They said so in the vid. It was a milagro! --R I sure was impressed with the metallurgy in the BMW motorsickle frames 40 years ago! Very thinwall, aircraft quality or higher tubing used to make the frames and centerstands on the /5 motorrads. I found out when mine became abruptly airborne with such force that it locked the centerstand down, and when I regained earthliness, the centerstand was crushed. Postmortem on the centerstand let me see the mettle of the metal. ~1 dia and 1/16 wall thickness. More like .040 if my memory serves. Light but strong. The R75/5 was a very light 750 when it first came out. Reg Pridmore had a pretty good racing career on pretty stock R75s competing with the Hardly Davis 750 racers. BMW and Mercedes made in Germany used to have the best metallurgy around. Don't know if that is still the case. I am sure its not, for products made outside der fatherland. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
Tut tut sir, American cars (which is a mis-nomer but lets stick with it, I obviously mean the big 3) are of comparable, some would even say higher, quality to the Asian brands right now. In particular Honda and Toyota are in a bit of trouble lately. I wonder if maybe they've gotten bit by the same bug that caught Mercedes 20 years ago? When it comes to rental cars lately I prefer American, specifically Ford if it comes right down to it. -Curt I agree. Dollar fer dollar, frods or dogde cars are a good buy. The impala also fits there, and maye some other GM stuff. I'd be hard pressed to justify buying a post 92 MB on any grounds other than safety. In p'ups, I think I'd buy GM in gas, and GM or Dogde in dissel. Frod in gas is ok, but nothing exciting to me. It depends a lot on the intended usage. In service life, I think the cummins diesel wins. Being a inline 6, it wins out of the gate, and I think over the long haul too. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
When I left the automotive industry in 2005, we were a second tier producer for VW, GM, and Ford. In a nutshell, VW had a QC manager assigned to our plant. We all knew his name, he walked at free will anywhere in the plant he wished ( maybe personnel was off limits, don't know ), and was present in any meetings that had to do with VW. I knew who the Ford guy was by facial recognition, because he was there about once a quarter. I never saw a GM quality representative in the plant in my employment time. We didn't do any Chrysler business, that was all in another plant. They had fair coverage from customer QC. The obvious point is that GM didn't worry about quality as much as VW. I'm not interested in buying VW anytime in this pass thru, but I will buy Ford if the deal is right. I'm OK with Chrysler, my wife drives one. I will never, under any circumstances, buy another GM vehicle in my lifetime. There are other reasons, but the above facts sealed the deal. I cannot afford a new Mercedes, and I normally buy new. So my next vehicle will be either Toyota or Honda. I still don't believe the USA has it right, and as long as labor unions control the auto industry I don't think it will get any better. Richard From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Tut tut sir, American cars (which is a mis-nomer but lets stick with it, I obviously mean the big 3) are of comparable, some would even say higher, quality to the Asian brands right now. In particular Honda and Toyota are in a bit of trouble lately. I wonder if maybe they've gotten bit by the same bug that caught Mercedes 20 years ago? When it comes to rental cars lately I prefer American, specifically Ford if it comes right down to it. -Curt Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:45:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: 1375890327.46902.yahoomail...@web161003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not just good engineering, Quality Control. This is something American car makers didn't learn until well into the '90s. -Curt Just about the time they also decided that they could ship it all to Mexico and China and continue to make 'quality' products. Richard ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
Japan sold a lot of cheap consumer goods; toys, notions, etc; during the 1930s; house slippers with paper soles, for example; such that made in Japan was synonymous with junk. This continued after WW-2 until Japan set up an agency that tested export goods and would not issue an export licence unless the products met fairly high standards. That was the beginning of Japans reputation for quality products and its export success. Gerry.who bought the Japanese stuff at the five and dime stores during the '30s. From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com The great irony here is that the Japanese learned quality management from the US after WWII (Google: W. Edwards Demming). The US developed/used these quality approaches for the massive WWII war production. The ironic part is that US industry then blew off all these quality lessons after the war and focused on just making money, which wasn't hard for the only surviving industrial base in the world. That came to a grinding halt when the Japanese (using quality methods learned from us) became the world leader for quality back in the 80s and 90s. We older folks recall the 50s and 60s when made in Japan meant junk. Hear Hear! (visualize Ben Franklin stomping his cane on the floor.) (ASQ Senior member) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Roger?
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 05:16:25 -0400 Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Maybe he is dead. Mitch wrote: I found his mom's obit but nothing like that on him. Here's where he works: http://www.northwhatcomlaw.com/ Has anyone called his office: 360 332 7000 or 360 384 6400 Clay said that this is not his office. This office is near the Canadian border and Roger lives in Seattle. Calling these numbers would do no good but would be a waste of time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Craig's List stuff
Just do it, it's not that hard. Set up an account in your area, it's easy to do, just go to CL and surf around. Take some pictures, set them for VGA resolution, 640X480, they load faster. You'll need about 6. It really doesn't matter what they are. On my last sale I did front, back, side, side, one front tire and a bumper hitch. Sold my beater 96 Dodge caravan with 315K and minimally working windshield wipers/lousy paint/clunky tranny/worn tires for $800 and was happy to get it. I got some lowball offers too. Be prepared to do business. CL folks are in a hurry. They don't want to see it tomorrow, they want it right now. Have the title in hand, meet at the bank where the notary is, do it in the middle of the day. Be honest, ignore the guys that want to give you less than scrap value for it, and move it on out of the stable. Oh, and ask someone else what it's worth, then put it in CL for 100 to 200 higher than that. The guy that buys it will offer 100 to 200 less than what you ask. You cannot be firm in price on CL. Richard From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: [MBZ] Craig's List stuff Can/will somebody tell me 'bout putting stuff (a car) on Craig's List? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 Wagon Project in PA
Dan, Please refrain from posting teases like this. I'd much rather see a really nice 118 or 116, even a 110, and then have somebody buy it out from under me.. If you make me buy another 123 Barbara will have bounty a on your head pretty fast.. (c: Richard From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Looks like this could be a good deal for someone who has the time to put it all back together: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1724958-rust-free-83-wagon-body-engine.html#post5894755 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 300SD battery/alternator problem
The daughter unit is using the Mamabenz for awhile. A coupla weeks ago the battery went dead. She gets it to the shop she uses, he says the alternator is bad, sends it to the alternator shop. I told them to just replace the regulator, which they did, A-OK. They also swapped in a new Interstate battery at no cost, which was not very old, said it was showing low ooomf. Good enough. So a coupla days ago, battery is dead, no starty. She gets a jump, runs fine no problem, starts a few times OK then battery goes dead again. Gets it back to her shop, they send it to the alt shop who say after some fooling around that there is one wire from the alternator, which if they remove it from the 4-wire box everything is fine. But they do not go further to see why that wire is a problem. They send it back to the mech who says he will try to trace it and figure out what is wrong. He would try to find a wiring diagram. I told the girl to find out which wire from which box is bad, i.e., what color wire. If I can find the wiring diagram on the 126 CD somewhere I can try to figure out where it is going, and go out and look at the other SD and see what it might be. Problem is I can't find a wiring diagram on the CD -- I am guessing there should be one on there, right? I found a junction box chapter (54-110) but no schematic. Anyone have ideas re: The Wire and The Schematic? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
i learned about jap goods in the late 70s. as young people, we mostly got around by bicycle. our dads maybe or may not have had a car but dads worked 15 hours a day, so they weren't going to be driving us around. moms did not drive for the most part. our main mode of personal transportation was the bicycle and our local bicycle shop was owned by a man who went by the name of buddy. like all good bike dealers back then, buddy was a schwinn dealer. the bike to get was the schwinn varsity or something even nicer. problem was the varsity was like $169, which was big money for us. so buddy would show us his japanese bikes, fujis and panasonics, which were $120 and told us that they were as good or better than schwinns at double the price. we trusted buddy and felt that going to a discount store for something cheaper would not work out, so while we felt his claim to be just as good as a higher line schwinn 10 speed was so much salesman hype, we got together the money and ended up on japanese 12 speed bicycles. they were GREAT bikes. i see people riding them to this day and i never see anyone on a schwinn varsity today. for me, japanese good from japanese companies are the best there is, although i'm developing some very warm feelings towards korea and taiwan as well. as for the PRC, i see no hope and no future for their product. just crap product for the super stupid and i fear it always will be On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Japan sold a lot of cheap consumer goods; toys, notions, etc; during the 1930s; house slippers with paper soles, for example; such that made in Japan was synonymous with junk. This continued after WW-2 until Japan set up an agency that tested export goods and would not issue an export licence unless the products met fairly high standards. That was the beginning of Japans reputation for quality products and its export success. Gerry.who bought the Japanese stuff at the five and dime stores during the '30s. From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com The great irony here is that the Japanese learned quality management from the US after WWII (Google: W. Edwards Demming). The US developed/used these quality approaches for the massive WWII war production. The ironic part is that US industry then blew off all these quality lessons after the war and focused on just making money, which wasn't hard for the only surviving industrial base in the world. That came to a grinding halt when the Japanese (using quality methods learned from us) became the world leader for quality back in the 80s and 90s. We older folks recall the 50s and 60s when made in Japan meant junk. Hear Hear! (visualize Ben Franklin stomping his cane on the floor.) (ASQ Senior member) __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: 91 350SDL
On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 13:13:18 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: This can make a mighty fine vehicle for somebody. 'Best driving/riding car I've seen during my 64 years of driving. I'm sorry I'm not in a position to take advantage of your offer, Wilton. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT anyone have experience and opinion on late model trucks?
On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 12:03:32 -0500 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I have not heard great things about some of the Ford trucks in the later years. They tend to have some engine issues that mine has not. The brand new Fords have a different bunch of engines that may be better but again, I don't usually buy new. The bad Ford diesels are 2004 - 2006 Ford F250 with the 6 liter diesel engine. A friend of mine and a friend of his had these and both had MANY problems. Apparently, before that time Ford bought their engines. For 2004, they decided to make their own engines -- which had many problems. In 2007, they went back to purchasing engines. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
The W140 is a very well built car if you can get past the wiring harness and evaporator. If those are done the car is pretty much bulletproof in my opinion. Consider that these were near $100k cars in their day and you'll understand the design and engineering. You can find very nice examples for well under $10k that have plenty of miles left in them. The build quality is excellent and save the two issues mentioned previously they don't have any real issues as far as upkeep and longevity. I hear a lot from the W140 people who are looking to move into newer models that anything later is plasticky and cheaply designed. Dan On Aug 7, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Tut tut sir, American cars (which is a mis-nomer but lets stick with it, I obviously mean the big 3) are of comparable, some would even say higher, quality to the Asian brands right now. In particular Honda and Toyota are in a bit of trouble lately. I wonder if maybe they've gotten bit by the same bug that caught Mercedes 20 years ago? When it comes to rental cars lately I prefer American, specifically Ford if it comes right down to it. -Curt I agree. Dollar fer dollar, frods or dogde cars are a good buy. The impala also fits there, and maye some other GM stuff. I'd be hard pressed to justify buying a post 92 MB on any grounds other than safety. In p'ups, I think I'd buy GM in gas, and GM or Dogde in dissel. Frod in gas is ok, but nothing exciting to me. It depends a lot on the intended usage. In service life, I think the cummins diesel wins. Being a inline 6, it wins out of the gate, and I think over the long haul too. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 Wagon Project in PA
Find me a decent finnie of any vintage and fuel type and I'll quit. Dan On Aug 7, 2013, at 4:52 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: Dan, Please refrain from posting teases like this. I'd much rather see a really nice 118 or 116, even a 110, and then have somebody buy it out from under me.. If you make me buy another 123 Barbara will have bounty a on your head pretty fast.. (c: Richard From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Looks like this could be a good deal for someone who has the time to put it all back together: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1724958-rust-free-83-wagon-body-engine.html#post5894755 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
We have a Mazda6 purchased new in 2005 that has around 120k on it. Damned reliable car and very inexpensive to maintain. Both of the Ford Focus' we have/had are great cars. 170k and still going strong with minimal maintenance. I would recommend either brand (they're pretty much the same any more.) Dan On Aug 7, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: When I left the automotive industry in 2005, we were a second tier producer for VW, GM, and Ford. In a nutshell, VW had a QC manager assigned to our plant. We all knew his name, he walked at free will anywhere in the plant he wished ( maybe personnel was off limits, don't know ), and was present in any meetings that had to do with VW. I knew who the Ford guy was by facial recognition, because he was there about once a quarter. I never saw a GM quality representative in the plant in my employment time. We didn't do any Chrysler business, that was all in another plant. They had fair coverage from customer QC. The obvious point is that GM didn't worry about quality as much as VW. I'm not interested in buying VW anytime in this pass thru, but I will buy Ford if the deal is right. I'm OK with Chrysler, my wife drives one. I will never, under any circumstances, buy another GM vehicle in my lifetime. There are other reasons, but the above facts sealed the deal. I cannot afford a new Mercedes, and I normally buy new. So my next vehicle will be either Toyota or Honda. I still don't believe the USA has it right, and as long as labor unions control the auto industry I don't think it will get any better. Richard From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Tut tut sir, American cars (which is a mis-nomer but lets stick with it, I obviously mean the big 3) are of comparable, some would even say higher, quality to the Asian brands right now. In particular Honda and Toyota are in a bit of trouble lately. I wonder if maybe they've gotten bit by the same bug that caught Mercedes 20 years ago? When it comes to rental cars lately I prefer American, specifically Ford if it comes right down to it. -Curt Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:45:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: 1375890327.46902.yahoomail...@web161003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not just good engineering, Quality Control. This is something American car makers didn't learn until well into the '90s. -Curt Just about the time they also decided that they could ship it all to Mexico and China and continue to make 'quality' products. Richard ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT anyone have experience and opinion on late model trucks?
The bad Ford diesels are 2004 - 2006 Ford F250 with the 6 liter diesel engine. A friend of mine and a friend of his had these and both had MANY problems. Apparently, before that time Ford bought their engines. For 2004, they decided to make their own engines -- which had many problems. In 2007, they went back to purchasing engines. Craig oh? Back to IH again? Or is someone else building v-8s? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
On Aug 7, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: for me, japanese good from japanese companies are the best there is, although i'm developing some very warm feelings towards korea and taiwan as well. Correctly so. If you ever shop at Harbor Freight, the quality on any tools made in Taiwan is outstanding. Notably their ratchets. The have an excellent feel. It is as hard to find anything made in Japan as it is to find made in USA these days. The jury is still out on Products made in India. I perceive them to be pretty much junk, with an occasional winner here or there. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 Wagon Project in PA
Find me a decent finnie of any vintage and fuel type and I'll quit. Dan That one 200D posted here a few days ago looked halfway decent. appeared to me that most of the rusty spots were surface rust, not rot through from the inside. Easily fixed with $5k worth of paint and prep, or with a Curt paint roller. Might be different when eyeballs are laid on it. Everything else looked pretty good. Even a good martha treatment might make it look ok. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD battery/alternator problem
I found the wiring diagrams hidden in ETM (an incredibly intuitive location) named 126td83-85.pdf which might or might not assist. I am not sure what the guy meant by 4 wires coming from a box, it must not be the alternator circuit as there are only 3 wires shown. --R On 8/7/13 4:59 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: The daughter unit is using the Mamabenz for awhile. A coupla weeks ago the battery went dead. She gets it to the shop she uses, he says the alternator is bad, sends it to the alternator shop. I told them to just replace the regulator, which they did, A-OK. They also swapped in a new Interstate battery at no cost, which was not very old, said it was showing low ooomf. Good enough. So a coupla days ago, battery is dead, no starty. She gets a jump, runs fine no problem, starts a few times OK then battery goes dead again. Gets it back to her shop, they send it to the alt shop who say after some fooling around that there is one wire from the alternator, which if they remove it from the 4-wire box everything is fine. But they do not go further to see why that wire is a problem. They send it back to the mech who says he will try to trace it and figure out what is wrong. He would try to find a wiring diagram. I told the girl to find out which wire from which box is bad, i.e., what color wire. If I can find the wiring diagram on the 126 CD somewhere I can try to figure out where it is going, and go out and look at the other SD and see what it might be. Problem is I can't find a wiring diagram on the CD -- I am guessing there should be one on there, right? I found a junction box chapter (54-110) but no schematic. Anyone have ideas re: The Wire and The Schematic? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Craig's List stuff
How 'bout $1800? Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craig's List stuff ON CL you'll get lowballers, tire kickers, and ignorant time-wasters for a car that has this problem. They would probably either offer you scrap price or something similar, if you even got a real offer. It might be best to give us an idea of what you would take for it, and see if any of us are willing to take it on. --R On 8/7/13 1:34 PM, WILTON wrote: How 'bout Bring a Trailer? Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON To: mercedes list Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: Craig's List stuff Can/will somebody tell me 'bout putting stuff (a car) on Craig's List? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] God intervenes on a Benz
Rich Thomas wrote: For real. Watch the vid. I think the important part is: The Hannibal Fire Department showed up right after that prayer with fresh equipment and was able to finish the extrication. I don't know if they don't keep all their cutting tools sharp, or the first set got dull with no way to fix it so they were stalled until the second set showed up. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] cARB TOOLS
HERE'S ONE http://www.amazon.com/Homelite-CARB-ADJUSTMENT-TOOL-PAC-MAN/dp/B000PLV9R2 here's another http://www.amazon.com/DOUBLE-ADJUSTING-308535002-Homelite-Craftsman/dp/B009LA6MAM/ref=pd_sim_lg_1 what do you need one for? what brand machine?? thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Craig's List stuff
WILTON wrote: How 'bout $1800? Or straight trade for a green W116 300SD? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Do the 617's in the 116 have EGR? I know the later 82 up does. Mine's a 1979 and I don't remember any EGR plumbing. Don't know about 1980. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 116 300SD
Do the 617's in the 116 have EGR? I know the later 82 up does. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Craig's List stuff
'Preciate the consideration, but no, thank you. ;) 'Need to go the other way. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craig's List stuff WILTON wrote: How 'bout $1800? Or straight trade for a green W116 300SD? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD
Well that rusty green 116 on ebay has all the breather lines that run from the valve cover to the u pipe on the front of the turbo, as well as the exhaust line from the vacuum pump rerouted. Seller says he was told because it had the EGR removed. I do not recall ever seeing egr on those. I say the reason is because it has so much blowby it is dumping oil into the intake. On 8/7/2013 5:32 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Do the 617's in the 116 have EGR? I know the later 82 up does. Mine's a 1979 and I don't remember any EGR plumbing. Don't know about 1980. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6557 - Release Date: 08/06/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
Or take a dremel tool with a thin blade on it and cut a slot in the end of the adjuster and use a regular screw driver. Works just fine on my Poulan. Manfred Mitch Haley wrote: Wow, all the eBay sources seem to have dried up. Found a Zama double D for $24, which is about $19 more than I paid for my Homelite double D. Can't find the Husqvarna/Poulan splined ones anywhere. Sometimes you can jam a piece of tubing over the screw tight enough to turn it, especially with the splined ones. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
You could buy one here http://www.lilredbarn.net/product-p/530035560.htm Manfred Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So I was at the lawn mower parts store today to get a belt for my mower and asked if they has those special adjustment screw drivers. EPA won't let then sell them ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
Or take a dremel tool with a thin blade on it and cut a slot in the end of the adjuster and use a regular screw driver. Works just fine on my Poulan. Manfred Mitch Haley wrote: Wow, all the eBay sources seem to have dried up. Found a Zama double D for $24, which is about $19 more than I paid for my Homelite double D. Can't find the Husqvarna/Poulan splined ones anywhere. Sometimes you can jam a piece of tubing over the screw tight enough to turn it, especially with the splined ones. Mitch. Hey Randy! you'se guys have the same problem in the PR of Canada? I'd think up there if the gummit tried to gum up the chainsaws, the lumberjacks would take to sawin up the pols/regulators. (figuratively) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
i was a GM guy my whole life but they aren't even real to me anyone. if i were to purchase an american car, it would be likely be a ford with a small chance of chrysler. to me, GM is just rebadged daewoos right now On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: We have a Mazda6 purchased new in 2005 that has around 120k on it. Damned reliable car and very inexpensive to maintain. Both of the Ford Focus' we have/had are great cars. 170k and still going strong with minimal maintenance. I would recommend either brand (they're pretty much the same any more.) Dan On Aug 7, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: When I left the automotive industry in 2005, we were a second tier producer for VW, GM, and Ford. In a nutshell, VW had a QC manager assigned to our plant. We all knew his name, he walked at free will anywhere in the plant he wished ( maybe personnel was off limits, don't know ), and was present in any meetings that had to do with VW. I knew who the Ford guy was by facial recognition, because he was there about once a quarter. I never saw a GM quality representative in the plant in my employment time. We didn't do any Chrysler business, that was all in another plant. They had fair coverage from customer QC. The obvious point is that GM didn't worry about quality as much as VW. I'm not interested in buying VW anytime in this pass thru, but I will buy Ford if the deal is right. I'm OK with Chrysler, my wife drives one. I will never, under any circumstances, buy another GM vehicle in my lifetime. There are other reasons, but the above facts sealed the deal. I cannot afford a new Mercedes, and I normally buy new. So my next vehicle will be either Toyota or Honda. I still don't believe the USA has it right, and as long as labor unions control the auto industry I don't think it will get any better. Richard From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Tut tut sir, American cars (which is a mis-nomer but lets stick with it, I obviously mean the big 3) are of comparable, some would even say higher, quality to the Asian brands right now. In particular Honda and Toyota are in a bit of trouble lately. I wonder if maybe they've gotten bit by the same bug that caught Mercedes 20 years ago? When it comes to rental cars lately I prefer American, specifically Ford if it comes right down to it. -Curt Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:45:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won Message-ID: 1375890327.46902.yahoomail...@web161003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not just good engineering, Quality Control. This is something American car makers didn't learn until well into the '90s. -Curt Just about the time they also decided that they could ship it all to Mexico and China and continue to make 'quality' products. Richard ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD battery/alternator problem
You need for her to find a real mechanic, this isn't rocket science, but it's obviously out of the current mechanic's area of expertise. Look for an independent Benz mechanic. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
i still like bicycles and advise anyone looking for a bicycle that if they see the words tig welded taiwan on the frame they are in good shape. i've also been having good luck selling taiwan parts for mercedes to those who don't want to be screwed by PRC yet dont want to buy something real korean stuff is even better. i wouldnt' touch a korean product in teh 80s but would not hesitate today On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Aug 7, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: for me, japanese good from japanese companies are the best there is, although i'm developing some very warm feelings towards korea and taiwan as well. Correctly so. If you ever shop at Harbor Freight, the quality on any tools made in Taiwan is outstanding. Notably their ratchets. The have an excellent feel. It is as hard to find anything made in Japan as it is to find made in USA these days. The jury is still out on Products made in India. I perceive them to be pretty much junk, with an occasional winner here or there. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD
Kaleb, My 1980 300SD does not have an EGR. There were differences between the CA versions and the rest of the world, so don't know about the left coast. Don't know about dumping oil from blowby, mine doesn't. An EGR on a 617 diesel is a very lame addition. My Indie plugged the vac. line on my 83 300D over 12 years ago and I've never missed it or seen any problems from it not being there. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT anyone have experience and opinion on late model trucks?
On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 16:12:22 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: oh? Back to IH again? Or is someone else building v-8s? Sorry, I cannot answer that question. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
So back to the say, it is a POS. I went out to start it, have not ran it in a couple days. Wore myself pulling on the damn thing, it never started. I am going to take it to their nearest service provider I guess and tell them either to fix it or shove it up their ass. On 8/7/2013 5:53 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i still like bicycles and advise anyone looking for a bicycle that if they see the words tig welded taiwan on the frame they are in good shape. i've also been having good luck selling taiwan parts for mercedes to those who don't want to be screwed by PRC yet dont want to buy something real korean stuff is even better. i wouldnt' touch a korean product in teh 80s but would not hesitate today On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Aug 7, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: for me, japanese good from japanese companies are the best there is, although i'm developing some very warm feelings towards korea and taiwan as well. Correctly so. If you ever shop at Harbor Freight, the quality on any tools made in Taiwan is outstanding. Notably their ratchets. The have an excellent feel. It is as hard to find anything made in Japan as it is to find made in USA these days. The jury is still out on Products made in India. I perceive them to be pretty much junk, with an occasional winner here or there. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD
Good point Kaleb... I missed that. No EGR on a 116 300SD. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Well that rusty green 116 on ebay has all the breather lines that run from the valve cover to the u pipe on the front of the turbo, as well as the exhaust line from the vacuum pump rerouted. Seller says he was told because it had the EGR removed. I do not recall ever seeing egr on those. I say the reason is because it has so much blowby it is dumping oil into the intake. On 8/7/2013 5:32 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Do the 617's in the 116 have EGR? I know the later 82 up does. Mine's a 1979 and I don't remember any EGR plumbing. Don't know about 1980. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6557 - Release Date: 08/06/13 __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
thats back to the saw, sorry, cant type, arm is wore out. On 8/7/2013 6:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So back to the say, it is a POS. I went out to start it, have not ran it in a couple days. Wore myself pulling on the damn thing, it never started. I am going to take it to their nearest service provider I guess and tell them either to fix it or shove it up their ass. On 8/7/2013 5:53 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i still like bicycles and advise anyone looking for a bicycle that if they see the words tig welded taiwan on the frame they are in good shape. i've also been having good luck selling taiwan parts for mercedes to those who don't want to be screwed by PRC yet dont want to buy something real korean stuff is even better. i wouldnt' touch a korean product in teh 80s but would not hesitate today On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Aug 7, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: for me, japanese good from japanese companies are the best there is, although i'm developing some very warm feelings towards korea and taiwan as well. Correctly so. If you ever shop at Harbor Freight, the quality on any tools made in Taiwan is outstanding. Notably their ratchets. The have an excellent feel. It is as hard to find anything made in Japan as it is to find made in USA these days. The jury is still out on Products made in India. I perceive them to be pretty much junk, with an occasional winner here or there. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD
I just do not think I could pay over 1k for that car, even if it is green. Maybe I am just being cheap, I dont know. On 8/7/2013 6:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Good point Kaleb... I missed that. No EGR on a 116 300SD. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Well that rusty green 116 on ebay has all the breather lines that run from the valve cover to the u pipe on the front of the turbo, as well as the exhaust line from the vacuum pump rerouted. Seller says he was told because it had the EGR removed. I do not recall ever seeing egr on those. I say the reason is because it has so much blowby it is dumping oil into the intake. On 8/7/2013 5:32 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Do the 617's in the 116 have EGR? I know the later 82 up does. Mine's a 1979 and I don't remember any EGR plumbing. Don't know about 1980. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6557 - Release Date: 08/06/13 __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD
Just walk away. Its rusty and not original. Worthless unfortunately. Jaime On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I just do not think I could pay over 1k for that car, even if it is green. Maybe I am just being cheap, I dont know. On 8/7/2013 6:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Good point Kaleb... I missed that. No EGR on a 116 300SD. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Well that rusty green 116 on ebay has all the breather lines that run from the valve cover to the u pipe on the front of the turbo, as well as the exhaust line from the vacuum pump rerouted. Seller says he was told because it had the EGR removed. I do not recall ever seeing egr on those. I say the reason is because it has so much blowby it is dumping oil into the intake. On 8/7/2013 5:32 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Do the 617's in the 116 have EGR? I know the later 82 up does. Mine's a 1979 and I don't remember any EGR plumbing. Don't know about 1980. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6557 - Release Date: 08/06/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD
On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 18:40:34 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I just do not think I could pay over 1k for that car, even if it is green. Maybe I am just being cheap, I dont know. It's OK, just set the computer mouse down, turn around, and walk away. It is really for the best to just admit that this is the archetypal cheap Mercedes and have nothing more to do with it. It really is good to say, Hi, I'm Kaleb and I am a Mercedes addict. We can get you help; the first step is to admit you have a problem Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD
Im not jacking with it unless its $800 or less, and even then probably too much. On 8/7/2013 6:55 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Just walk away. Its rusty and not original. Worthless unfortunately. Jaime On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I just do not think I could pay over 1k for that car, even if it is green. Maybe I am just being cheap, I dont know. On 8/7/2013 6:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Good point Kaleb... I missed that. No EGR on a 116 300SD. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Well that rusty green 116 on ebay has all the breather lines that run from the valve cover to the u pipe on the front of the turbo, as well as the exhaust line from the vacuum pump rerouted. Seller says he was told because it had the EGR removed. I do not recall ever seeing egr on those. I say the reason is because it has so much blowby it is dumping oil into the intake. On 8/7/2013 5:32 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Do the 617's in the 116 have EGR? I know the later 82 up does. Mine's a 1979 and I don't remember any EGR plumbing. Don't know about 1980. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6557 - Release Date: 08/06/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
LMAO !!! On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: thats back to the saw, sorry, cant type, arm is wore out. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD
Probably not the original engine, but one pulled from a 126 or 123 ??? Yes, walk away. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Well that rusty green 116 on ebay has all the breather lines that run from the valve cover to the u pipe on the front of the turbo, as well as the exhaust line from the vacuum pump rerouted. Seller says he was told because it had the EGR removed. I do not recall ever seeing egr on those. I say the reason is because it has so much blowby it is dumping oil into the intake. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD
From the photos it appears to be a 116 version engine. I am probably not going to mess with it, I have my eye on something else anyway. On 8/7/2013 7:12 PM, OK Don wrote: Probably not the original engine, but one pulled from a 126 or 123 ??? Yes, walk away. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Well that rusty green 116 on ebay has all the breather lines that run from the valve cover to the u pipe on the front of the turbo, as well as the exhaust line from the vacuum pump rerouted. Seller says he was told because it had the EGR removed. I do not recall ever seeing egr on those. I say the reason is because it has so much blowby it is dumping oil into the intake. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 91 350SDL
$1800 - bring a trailer Wilton Goldsboro, NC - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 1:13 PM Subject: [MBZ] Fw: 91 350SDL This can make a mighty fine vehicle for somebody. 'Best driving/riding car I've seen during my 64 years of driving. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:08 PM Subject: 91 350SDL Oil analysis via LarryT confirms coolant in oil Oil does not have cafe au lait, etc., look, though. Like I said: PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER. '91 350SDL, Purchased in 1995 @ 79 kmi; now 204.5 kmi., 040 Black, no rust that I know of, several cracks in paint on hood, several small bird-doo etchings on roof, aluminum replacement trunk lid installed Jun '12 because of vandalism, should be stripped to aluminum and repainted appropriately for alum; palomino leather int., worn spot at lower left corner of driver backrest, torn seam on top of rear seat backrest. Usually starts with just a touch of the starter Cruise and climate control work nicely. Following is a list of several repairs, etc., in addition to the usual Mobil 1 oil, filters, glow plugs, alignments, balancing, and lots of other stuff during 18 years that I don't remember: Broken timing chain in Apr '96; new timing chain, several valves, lifters, shaved head, gasket, etc., -- bunch of stuff I don't remember -- May '96, 89 kmi Hit deer in Jun '96; R R left headlight assembly, LF door and fender; repairs to LF corner of hood; repainted hood, LF door and fender. Windshield replaced w/PPG unit Jun '99 Mobil 1 since '01 Shutdown actuator May '01 Inj. Pump seal rings Jun '01 Ign. tumbler Aug '01, 148 kmi New radiator and hoses Dec '02 New blower fan and controller/porcupine in '03, 162 kmi Bilstein shocks, sway bar links, shift link bushings in '04 Michelin tires; lower ball joints tie rod ends Oct '04, 175 kmi Tranny rebuilt Jun '07, 186 kmi Precautionary timing chain R R Mar '09, 191 kmi Power steering pump ~ '10 Glow plugs, thermostat, rad hose, belt Sep '10 AC exp valve, dryer, switches Sep '10 Brake pads ~'11, 197 kmi Rear windshield Apr '12 Lower rad hose Jun '13 Radio inop - disconnected because of trickle draw on bat - sending retraction signal to fully retracted antenna. Clock inop Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] God intervenes on a 124 Benz
Well the pope rides in a Benz, so I would assume that God has a collection, my guess would be the big 600 is his daily. Anyway this is going to be more fodder for those paranormal TV shows that ask more questions than they answer, well they answer no questions but have a lot of funky re-enactments. Hendrik who does not want to test the strength of 124 steel On 08/08/13 07:53, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: For real. Watch the vid. I think the important part is: The Hannibal Fire Department showed up right after that prayer with fresh equipment and was able to finish the extrication. I don't know if they don't keep all their cutting tools sharp, or the first set got dull with no way to fix it so they were stalled until the second set showed up. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] God intervenes on a 124 Benz
The new Papa eschews the stately entrapments and prefers a more pedestrian ride, or to be pedestrian. Before his promotion he rode the bus around BA. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Aug 7, 2013, at 8:51 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Well the pope rides in a Benz, so I would assume that God has a collection, my guess would be the big 600 is his daily. Anyway this is going to be more fodder for those paranormal TV shows that ask more questions than they answer, well they answer no questions but have a lot of funky re-enactments. Hendrik who does not want to test the strength of 124 steel On 08/08/13 07:53, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: For real. Watch the vid. I think the important part is: The Hannibal Fire Department showed up right after that prayer with fresh equipment and was able to finish the extrication. I don't know if they don't keep all their cutting tools sharp, or the first set got dull with no way to fix it so they were stalled until the second set showed up. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?
Do not mistake the wet side of WA for the dry side. Not a bunch of wet going on east of the Cascade Range. Good heat, low moisture and they have to irrigate to get crops. Wonderful grape region now that competes and surpasses the dreck coming out of kalifornia. I much prefer the Washington peach to the Georgia peach. For some reason the stuff out east just does not have the same brix or mouth feel that a local peach has. Same with apples, pears or other fruit, fresh picked and purchased by the bushel. Might be the need to transport fruit beyond the growing region results in plastic, tasteless products. clay On Aug 6, 2013, at 5:19 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: Lots of rain makes for large fruit with less flavor. Mike On Aug 5, 2013 1:33 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 4, 2013 8:33 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: nothing grown in california seems to have any taste anymore. worst fruit i know of, at least WA apples are even worse than CA strawberries, or anything else. Bzzt, wrong. It depends if they're ripe and fresh, like anything else. But I'm glad you think so... there'll be more for me. Alex Nope. Being in the PNW, you've not had real apples. WA apples are bland and flavorless. Purty, but no flavor. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wasps everywhere
Yellow jackets are the worst, especially if you're driving a tractor. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Raid Wasp and Hornet spray knocks 'em down pretty quickly. Not sure how good it is for paint... probably should rinse it quickly. Allan Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com writes: Those wasps are what I am allergic to. Nasty, aggressive, territorial and just plain evil creatures. They are so common on cars that sit around for any time here that it is like dodging life seeking bullets in a war for a guy who is allergic to them to be able to work on old cars. Seriously. Mike On Jul 30, 2013 2:19 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: What a horror story. Where do you reside? On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com writes: Paper or mud? The ones that build paper nest are the ones that fight to defend their nests. At sundown is the time to get 'em. They slow down, and are all on the nest. During the day, there is always a few out and about. Paper. I have a terrible time with paper wasps and sitting cars too every summer and fall since I moved out to the country about 25 miles from Portland (Oregon). These are not the kind that build a closed football-shaped nest (though I've seen those here a couple of times too), but the kind that build something that looks like a honeycomb with open cells where the larvae grow. As Allen described, they love doorjambs in particular. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?
i've never even seen a WA peach, but the GA/eastern peach is magnificent. when i lived there, i'd be driving out to the orchard every week and eating nearly nothing but peaches. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 9:05 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Do not mistake the wet side of WA for the dry side. Not a bunch of wet going on east of the Cascade Range. Good heat, low moisture and they have to irrigate to get crops. Wonderful grape region now that competes and surpasses the dreck coming out of kalifornia. I much prefer the Washington peach to the Georgia peach. For some reason the stuff out east just does not have the same brix or mouth feel that a local peach has. Same with apples, pears or other fruit, fresh picked and purchased by the bushel. Might be the need to transport fruit beyond the growing region results in plastic, tasteless products. clay On Aug 6, 2013, at 5:19 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: Lots of rain makes for large fruit with less flavor. Mike On Aug 5, 2013 1:33 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 4, 2013 8:33 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: nothing grown in california seems to have any taste anymore. worst fruit i know of, at least WA apples are even worse than CA strawberries, or anything else. Bzzt, wrong. It depends if they're ripe and fresh, like anything else. But I'm glad you think so... there'll be more for me. Alex Nope. Being in the PNW, you've not had real apples. WA apples are bland and flavorless. Purty, but no flavor. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] God intervenes on a 124 Benz
He drives a Ford Focus around Vatican City. Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 7, 2013, at 8:55 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: The new Papa eschews the stately entrapments and prefers a more pedestrian ride, or to be pedestrian. Before his promotion he rode the bus around BA. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Aug 7, 2013, at 8:51 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Well the pope rides in a Benz, so I would assume that God has a collection, my guess would be the big 600 is his daily. Anyway this is going to be more fodder for those paranormal TV shows that ask more questions than they answer, well they answer no questions but have a lot of funky re-enactments. Hendrik who does not want to test the strength of 124 steel On 08/08/13 07:53, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: For real. Watch the vid. I think the important part is: The Hannibal Fire Department showed up right after that prayer with fresh equipment and was able to finish the extrication. I don't know if they don't keep all their cutting tools sharp, or the first set got dull with no way to fix it so they were stalled until the second set showed up. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Craig's List stuffed
I think we should help Wilton prepare an ad in the classic style. For starters you need to misspell Mercedes in the heading (OK there will need to be a lot of spelling mistake), this will get rid of a lot of time wasters, leaving those who are really searching and those who spell Mercedes, Mecedes. Make sure to put the word 'cheap' in there, that will really pull in the ones that have no money but do have a dream. Lots of exclamation marks!!! and CAPITALS Perhaps call it a S300DT, to make it sound like a fancy late model Merc? Lots of letters and numbers to make it sound cool. Don't go low on price, classic newbie mistake, this is a coleectible so go for 5k+ but you will be oppen to swaps or trades as weel!!! Yes you do need pictures but they need to be out of focus, at right angles or upside down, taken at night, really close up or really far away. Even better is if you have pictures on the computer, you take pictures of the pictures but they need to be blurry. Good in focus pictures that show all of the car are a dead give away that you are a craiglist noob and the hard core craiglist buyers will shun you. I think we all know what goes in the description, ice cold AC, 50mpg, second owner, bio diesel, will last for a 1000 years or these cars go forever (whichever comes first). Last of the over engineered Benses, bulletproof german engineering, always garaged, best you'll find, first to see will buy, don't really want to sell it, classic style, feel like a millionaire, etc Go heavy on generic description but vague on detail. For contact details, you need to put your mobile phone (I believe you call them cell phones, which I believe stems from the time when they used to be smuggled into prison, how this smuggling happened you don't want to know) number in there, so you get to talk to lots of nice folks, make sure to also put your home phone in too, your missus wants to get up every 5 minutes to talk to a nice dude who wants to know if you'll accept 200 plus his worn out motor cross bike, no point in not getting the missus involved, the family that sells together, stays together. Of course you could also put in your home address, so those without phones or the brains to use them can drive around and join you for a chat and test drive. Make sure to say that you don't respond to emails, this will make you look like a veteran of the craiglist However the ultimate is that you get your neighbour to list it for you, the listing on behalf of a friend ads are the top of the tree type, however perhaps you should not overdo it for your first time? Up to you, I have no doubt that you can handle a 'behalf of a friend' ad but perhaps it may be a touch too much for a first time, you know if you make a mistake, like uploading a decent picture or saying it's 40mpg instead of 50, could lead to all sorts of hard questions being asked, which may test your friendship. Perhaps until you get the hang of a proper CL ad you should keep it in house? Well there is a a bit to get you lot started on the bestest CL ad ever, that will be guaranteed to draw in the weirdos from far and wide and you will get some great offers, some will want to swap their collectibles/junk and such for your car. You just never know what treasures you could end up with. All part of the adventure. Remember if you do this all correct, you will make it to Kalebs list of CL crackhead of the day, which I believe comes with a certificate of achievement!!?!?!! Hendrik who should have been in sales On 08/08/13 06:20, Richard Hattaway wrote: Just do it, it's not that hard. Set up an account in your area, it's easy to do, just go to CL and surf around. Take some pictures, set them for VGA resolution, 640X480, they load faster. You'll need about 6. It really doesn't matter what they are. On my last sale I did front, back, side, side, one front tire and a bumper hitch. Sold my beater 96 Dodge caravan with 315K and minimally working windshield wipers/lousy paint/clunky tranny/worn tires for $800 and was happy to get it. I got some lowball offers too. Be prepared to do business. CL folks are in a hurry. They don't want to see it tomorrow, they want it right now. Have the title in hand, meet at the bank where the notary is, do it in the middle of the day. Be honest, ignore the guys that want to give you less than scrap value for it, and move it on out of the stable. Oh, and ask someone else what it's worth, then put it in CL for 100 to 200 higher than that. The guy that buys it will offer 100 to 200 less than what you ask. You cannot be firm in price on CL. Richard ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] God intervenes on a limited 124 Benz
Well I think think he should be driving this http://www.motocars.co.uk/listing/mercedes-e60-amg-limited-1of-12/ Hendrik who has an engine half that size On 08/08/13 11:20, Dan Penoff wrote: He drives a Ford Focus around Vatican City. Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 7, 2013, at 8:55 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: The new Papa eschews the stately entrapments and prefers a more pedestrian ride, or to be pedestrian. Before his promotion he rode the bus around BA. --R (sent from my miniPad) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Craig's List stuffed
Thanks for all the good tips Henny. I'm probably already on Kaleb's CL crack list. I sent 'im some iPhone photos of the car today; 'didn't notice 'til I viewed 'em on my computer that couple of 'em are slightly out of focus - that's cause I couldn't hold my shaky hand still enough, but, of course, that's no excuse. 'Put coupla those in so they'd look familiar to 'im. Oh, included some with areas of shade, too - didn't wanta look too professional at it. 'Couldn't find any rust spots to include, though. 'Plenty of those on the POS's y'all've been slobbering (drooling) over. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craig's List stuffed I think we should help Wilton prepare an ad in the classic style. For starters you need to misspell Mercedes in the heading (OK there will need to be a lot of spelling mistake), this will get rid of a lot of time wasters, leaving those who are really searching and those who spell Mercedes, Mecedes. Make sure to put the word 'cheap' in there, that will really pull in the ones that have no money but do have a dream. Lots of exclamation marks!!! and CAPITALS Perhaps call it a S300DT, to make it sound like a fancy late model Merc? Lots of letters and numbers to make it sound cool. Don't go low on price, classic newbie mistake, this is a coleectible so go for 5k+ but you will be oppen to swaps or trades as weel!!! Yes you do need pictures but they need to be out of focus, at right angles or upside down, taken at night, really close up or really far away. Even better is if you have pictures on the computer, you take pictures of the pictures but they need to be blurry. Good in focus pictures that show all of the car are a dead give away that you are a craiglist noob and the hard core craiglist buyers will shun you. I think we all know what goes in the description, ice cold AC, 50mpg, second owner, bio diesel, will last for a 1000 years or these cars go forever (whichever comes first). Last of the over engineered Benses, bulletproof german engineering, always garaged, best you'll find, first to see will buy, don't really want to sell it, classic style, feel like a millionaire, etc Go heavy on generic description but vague on detail. For contact details, you need to put your mobile phone (I believe you call them cell phones, which I believe stems from the time when they used to be smuggled into prison, how this smuggling happened you don't want to know) number in there, so you get to talk to lots of nice folks, make sure to also put your home phone in too, your missus wants to get up every 5 minutes to talk to a nice dude who wants to know if you'll accept 200 plus his worn out motor cross bike, no point in not getting the missus involved, the family that sells together, stays together. Of course you could also put in your home address, so those without phones or the brains to use them can drive around and join you for a chat and test drive. Make sure to say that you don't respond to emails, this will make you look like a veteran of the craiglist However the ultimate is that you get your neighbour to list it for you, the listing on behalf of a friend ads are the top of the tree type, however perhaps you should not overdo it for your first time? Up to you, I have no doubt that you can handle a 'behalf of a friend' ad but perhaps it may be a touch too much for a first time, you know if you make a mistake, like uploading a decent picture or saying it's 40mpg instead of 50, could lead to all sorts of hard questions being asked, which may test your friendship. Perhaps until you get the hang of a proper CL ad you should keep it in house? Well there is a a bit to get you lot started on the bestest CL ad ever, that will be guaranteed to draw in the weirdos from far and wide and you will get some great offers, some will want to swap their collectibles/junk and such for your car. You just never know what treasures you could end up with. All part of the adventure. Remember if you do this all correct, you will make it to Kalebs list of CL crackhead of the day, which I believe comes with a certificate of achievement!!?!?!! Hendrik who should have been in sales On 08/08/13 06:20, Richard Hattaway wrote: Just do it, it's not that hard. Set up an account in your area, it's easy to do, just go to CL and surf around. Take some pictures, set them for VGA resolution, 640X480, they load faster. You'll need about 6. It really doesn't matter what they are. On my last sale I did front, back, side, side, one front tire and a bumper hitch. Sold my beater 96 Dodge caravan with 315K and minimally working windshield wipers/lousy paint/clunky tranny/worn tires for $800 and was happy to get it. I got some lowball offers too. Be prepared to do business. CL
Re: [MBZ] 116 300SD
roger...@comcast.net wrote: Kaleb, My 1980 300SD does not have an EGR. There were differences between the CA versions and the rest of the world, so don't know about the left coast. Don't know about dumping oil from blowby, mine doesn't. An EGR on a 617 diesel is a very lame addition. My Indie plugged the vac. line on my 83 300D over 12 years ago and I've never missed it or seen any problems from it not being there. Best Wishes, So, if a 116 SD had EGR, it would be a sign of an engine swap, or maybe a CA model? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?
Fruit and vegetables are best when eaten immediately after picking them (or digging them) when fully mature. Anything that softens when it is fully ripe (peaches, oranges, tomatoes, etc) MUST either be picked when still rock hard and ripened off the plant or bred to be rock hard even when nearly ripe in order for it to survive a few days or a week being shaken and banged around in shipping. Doesn't matter where you are, local fully ripe fruit will be so much better than shipped in fruit you would hardly believe they are the same thing. The further away the fruit started out, the bigger the difference. And some things simply do not ship and are unavailable except dead ripe on the plant, raspberries and black berries being the most obvious examples. I encourage everyone to grow their own herbs and things like tomatoes, even if you have to grow them in a pot on a balcony, they will be better than anything other than very fresh farm market versions. Varieties do make a difference, though. Delicious apples are anything but, being the mealiest flat, dullest flavored, bitterest skinned apples in existence. Their popularity is due entirely and completely to their blooming and ripening habits -- bloom takes place over about three days, the entire planting, and hence every apple on the tree is ripe at the same time and the orchard can be stripped in a single operation. When sprayed with Alar to make them even pointer on the bottom (apples don't have points, by the way, unless sprayed with growth regulators), they are about as close to inedible as an apple can get. Sadly, Washington State growers seem to think all apples should have extreme points on the bottom, and irrigate on top of the Alar spray, so they are uniformly very much second rate. I greatly prefer New Zealand or Australian apples, so it's not the distance, it's the growing in that case. Local apples are much better, but most of the orchards have vanished over the last 50 years. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
i was a GM guy my whole life but they aren't even real to me anyone. Wrote Gary Didn't you have a Saturn with timing chain issues? Rick Knoble Sent from My Samsung tablet ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD battery/alternator problem
Kinda funny, there is one like 2 doors down from her new apartment. I might send her there. She had this guy do the alternator a coupla weeks ago before she moved so that is why I told her to go back there. I'm thinking that might not have been the actual problem, maybe a bad wire or connection or short or something. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Aug 7, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: You need for her to find a real mechanic, this isn't rocket science, but it's obviously out of the current mechanic's area of expertise. Look for an independent Benz mechanic. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
Foci --R (sent from my miniPad) On Aug 7, 2013, at 5:23 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Both of the Ford Focus' we have/had are great cars. 170k and still going strong with minimal maintenance. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won
I ride good ol merkin carbon these days but still have my Schwinn 10spd in the garage I bought in high school, trading in my Stingray i outgrew, which would be worth a fortune today. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Aug 7, 2013, at 5:05 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i learned about jap goods in the late 70s. as young people, we mostly got around by bicycle. our dads maybe or may not have had a car but dads worked 15 hours a day, so they weren't going to be driving us around. moms did not drive for the most part. our main mode of personal transportation was the bicycle and our local bicycle shop was owned by a man who went by the name of buddy. like all good bike dealers back then, buddy was a schwinn dealer. the bike to get was the schwinn varsity or something even nicer. problem was the varsity was like $169, which was big money for us. so buddy would show us his japanese bikes, fujis and panasonics, which were $120 and told us that they were as good or better than schwinns at double the price. we trusted buddy and felt that going to a discount store for something cheaper would not work out, so while we felt his claim to be just as good as a higher line schwinn 10 speed was so much salesman hype, we got together the money and ended up on japanese 12 speed bicycles. they were GREAT bikes. i see people riding them to this day and i never see anyone on a schwinn varsity today. for me, japanese good from japanese companies are the best there is, although i'm developing some very warm feelings towards korea and taiwan as well. as for the PRC, i see no hope and no future for their product. just crap product for the super stupid and i fear it always will be On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Japan sold a lot of cheap consumer goods; toys, notions, etc; during the 1930s; house slippers with paper soles, for example; such that made in Japan was synonymous with junk. This continued after WW-2 until Japan set up an agency that tested export goods and would not issue an export licence unless the products met fairly high standards. That was the beginning of Japans reputation for quality products and its export success. Gerry.who bought the Japanese stuff at the five and dime stores during the '30s. From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com The great irony here is that the Japanese learned quality management from the US after WWII (Google: W. Edwards Demming). The US developed/used these quality approaches for the massive WWII war production. The ironic part is that US industry then blew off all these quality lessons after the war and focused on just making money, which wasn't hard for the only surviving industrial base in the world. That came to a grinding halt when the Japanese (using quality methods learned from us) became the world leader for quality back in the 80s and 90s. We older folks recall the 50s and 60s when made in Japan meant junk. Hear Hear! (visualize Ben Franklin stomping his cane on the floor.) (ASQ Senior member) __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?
Varieties do make a difference, though. Delicious apples are anything but, being the mealiest flat, dullest flavored, bitterest skinned apples in existence. Their popularity is due entirely and completely to their blooming and ripening habits -- bloom takes place over about three days, the entire planting, and hence every apple on the tree is ripe at the same time and the orchard can be stripped in a single operation. When sprayed with Alar to make them even pointer on the bottom (apples don't have points, by the way, unless sprayed with growth regulators), they are about as close to inedible as an apple can get. Sadly, Washington State growers seem to think all apples should have extreme points on the bottom, and irrigate on top of the Alar spray, so they are uniformly very much second rate. I greatly prefer New Zealand or Australian apples, so it's not the distance, it's the growing in that case. Local apples are much better, but most of the orchards have vanished over the last 50 years. Peter DIsagreement: Delicious apple. As grown in WA, you are absolutely right. However don't blame the variety. It is the cultivars selected to grow in WA. The WA crap has little or know resemblance to the real, original Stark's Nursery Delicious of 1870s/1880s. The original apple was called Hawkeye. It was yellow with red stripes; wider than tall, and tastes good when grown on its native soil. They do go mealy pretty quick. (about November) Agreement: the last paragraph. The first NZ Red Delicious I tasted 25 years ago were the original Stark's Delicious, or very near to it. They were very good and tasty. NZ soil where these were grown must be very near to the original Hawkeye soil. Hawkeye grown in the midwest is a good tasting apple and has no resemblance the WA plastic apples. Same with Golden Del. The original Stark's GD is very tasty in October, when tree ripened in the midwest. Quite possibly the best apple taste ever. Cultivars selected for WA are slick skinned and tastless. Stark's Golden Del. is an ugly apple by today's plastic apple standards. It has large lenticels and is generally prone to russet. Golden Delicious picked early get more tasteless the earlier they are picked. Any good apple grown in WA is plastic and tasteless, and often dry. A real golden Del, tree ripened in the midwest if so juicy the juice runs down your arm. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] God intervenes on a 124 Benz
Do they make Foci in South America? Gerry He drives a Ford Focus around Vatican City. Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 7, 2013, at 8:55 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: The new Papa eschews the stately entrapments and prefers a more pedestrian ride, or to be pedestrian. Before his promotion he rode the bus around BA. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Aug 7, 2013, at 8:51 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Well the pope rides in a Benz, so I would assume that God has a collection, my guess would be the big 600 is his daily. Anyway this is going to be more fodder for those paranormal TV shows that ask more questions than they answer, well they answer no questions but have a lot of funky re-enactments. Hendrik who does not want to test the strength of 124 steel On 08/08/13 07:53, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: For real. Watch the vid. I think the important part is: The Hannibal Fire Department showed up right after that prayer with fresh equipment and was able to finish the extrication. I don't know if they don't keep all their cutting tools sharp, or the first set got dull with no way to fix it so they were stalled until the second set showed up. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3209/6057 - Release Date: 08/06/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?
Grimes Golden is the perfect apple here -- a friend of mine in grade school had one in their yard that was more or less completely unpruned and produced huge amounts of very large, wonderful apples every year with no user intervention other than picking them. Pretty much gone now, they bloom and ripen over an extended period and hence the orchards don't grow them. Too expensive. The current apple called Red Delicious was selected strictly for it's bearing behavior. It has never, to the best of my knowledge, been a decent apple, wherever it's grown. It's mealy, bitter, and unpleasant here, with a thick bitter skin. Picked early, before it gets mealy (and without growth hormones to change it's shape) it's sour with a thick, bitter skin. An orchardman's apple through and through, not a consumer's apple. Whether or not this is the original I have no information on, but I've never eaten a good one. I suspect Yellow Delicious is the same, an orchardman's apple. Easier to grow and harvest than other more appealing ones. And I agree about Washington State apples grown on the dry side of the mountains -- even the Granny Smiths are pointy and pithy, nothing at all like the ones from NZ. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
