Re: [MBZ] Comments on FCP Euro

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have started using FCP Euro of late when I can get something OEM aftermarket, 
such as a fan clutch for the W140. I have been pleased with their service, but 
more so, their responsiveness when you make an inquiry.

I would also say that they appear to be making a serious effort to meet the 
needs of their customers. I say this due to a recent exchange I had with their 
marketing guy. I got an email from them listing their five best recommended 
specialty MB tools. They asked for suggestions if you had others to add to the 
list. I emailed him and suggested the Hazet drain plug wrench.

Within a couple of hours I got an enthusiast response from them thanking me for 
the suggestion and expressing surprise that they didn't offer it. They'll be 
adding it to their catalog shortly.

Dan

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> On Jun 24, 2016, at 12:46 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Scott informs:
> 
>> ‎This is a report on my order from >FCP Euro.
> 
> After reading the list, it appears you have OE quality parts. You have hit a 
> home run, with the assistance of FCP Euro. Don't bother trying that with 
> AutohausAZ. It ain't happenin'.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

UNIX started long before a GUI was anything other than greenish text on a
grayish black screen. The primary reason that so many things need to be
done from the command line isn't just age of the OS, though. One of the
hardest driven tenants behind UNIX is "small is better." Andrew Tanenbaum
said it thus, "The only way to make software secure, reliable, and fast is
to make it small."

A GUI adds heap tons of complexity. To add Mercedes content, any fully UNIX
system is as reliable as an old W123, 240D with manual transmission and
crank windows. No electronics to fail, no real oddities or gotchas that
have you wondering for days where the short in the system is so in contrast
X Windows adds in about a C197 SLS AMG level of complexity. Everything is
computer controlled, the doors don't open right, and require *explosives*
in the hinges in case it is turned upside down.

Thus, most old school UNIX style developers still write very small, very
tight code that runs in a terminal window. Hell, I write command line stuff
I don't ever touch. I automate with it, write it, set it and forget about.
It goes off and does its job. If I *needed* to write a program with a GUI
interface, I'd be sunk. Especially since you don't just write GUI code
directly, usually, as that is "reinventing the wheel," you learn a GUI
framework then write all of your code against it. Which means if anyone
wants to use your program they have to install the framework that has the
underlying instructions.

I don't *need* an application to be a word processor, AND a video
production package, AND a web server, AND  you get it. I need it to be
one thing, and to do that one thing to such perfection that it is to the
exclusion of all else. Which, anyone that follows Linux right now, knows
the horror of systemd. The new initialization system that does *everything*
including pressing your dress shirts and folding them *for you.* Yeah, the
community is in an uproar right now between the new and shiny crowd and the
old school.

So, TL;DR, UNIX started at the command line and stays there because it
works.

Anyway, as far as distros go from the Linux side, look into the Debian like
systems as those are typically the ones that try to be more "Windows like"
in their usability. Debian, Ubuntu and a wonderful little distro called
Elementary OS that is trying to be the macOS of Linux.

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:25 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
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> Why do people, (like me), who are seriously critical of both Apple and
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> When I tried to do it a number of years ago, the learning curve was so
> long and involved it wasn't worth it to someone who only does emails,
> searches, and reads online news.
> Now, with all the invasions of privacy, I'm beginning to be tempted again
> providing it's been somewhat simplified and providing there won't be the
> same invasions of privacy.
> Gerry
> ~~~
> Curley McLain wrote:
> > Since apfel has decided to go all Billygates and arbitrarily force
> > people to abandon pre-2010 machines with 10.12, does that include i5
> and  i7 machines?  I see they have changed the nomenclature with el crap.
> > Where my mosheen was Macbook pro 8.1 before, now it is called MacBook
> > Pro (13-inch, Early 2011) in el crap.
> >
> > Obviously this machine is still ok, but the other macbooks in the family
> > will be SOL.  One, the macbook 1,1 is already bypassed by el crap, so it
> > becomes a linux machine, I guess.
> >
> > Dan said he thinks the hackintosh crowd will find a way to make older
> > machines work.   What do you all think about this new sales scam?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Well put, Curly.

If someone was to ask me what flavor of Linux to try, I would definitely 
recommend Ubuntu. It has the best (in my opinion) GUI for a Linux distro and 
supports well known browsers, for instance.

If your needs are basic, you could get through Ubuntu without ever going to the 
CLI, however, deeper dives or efforts to work with various programs or software 
will probably require work in terminal.

Dan

> On Jun 24, 2016, at 2:13 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Curly. That's the best and simplest explanation of why more people 
> don't use Linux that I've seen so far.
> Gerry
> ~
> Curley McLain wrote:
>> The stumbling block for linux is that you either have to be all in, or 
>> you get frustrated.  By all in, I mean you have to learn all the unix 
>> command line stuff, and a whole new language.  Even though some, like 
>> ubuntu,  for instance, claim that it is all GUI, you don't really even 
>> get started before you need to do something or find something and it all 
>> becomes a foreign language, bash this and tarballs that and  whatnot, 
>> with no definitions or explanations, but you are expected to run the 
>> terminal and know the sytax.  I get through some of it, but each time so 
>> far,  ihave given up.  The other problem is that if you have Dan or 
>> Kleb's MB software, you have to run M$ hit.  Or the wife needs to use a 
>> website that only works on M$ IE.  Or it is less frustrating to just use 
>> a Mac and spend your time being productive in place of spending your 
>> time working on the stupid computer.
>> 
>> Every time I see bash in the instructions for trying to do something in 
>> linux, I figure they mean to get out the BFH and bash the stupid 
>> computer to bits.  So far, I have refrained.
>> 
>> There are linux for dummies books, but I have never bought one, i've not 
>> tried to see if the welfare bookstore has one.
>> 
>> I have made 8 or 10 serious attempts to date, starting with Red hat 5, 
>> then mandrake, then ubuntu, but each has ended in frustration.  I did 
>> get a fairly decent start with an ubunto desktop about a year ago.  I 
>> was trying to get everyone to use one, but nobody wanted to use it.  I 
>> used it some.
>> 
>> My shop computer, when I get one set up, will be ubuntu, but I will 
>> still need a winders machine to run the borescope.
>> 
>>> archer75--- via Mercedes 
>>> June 23, 2016 at 10:25 PM
>>> Why do people, (like me), who are seriously critical of both Apple and 
>>> Microsoft; not go to some flavor of Linux?
>>> When I tried to do it a number of years ago, the learning curve was so 
>>> long and involved it wasn't worth it to someone who only does emails, 


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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Curly, 
Back in the early 90s, there was a window of opportunity to have one OS, Unix, 
but the arrogance and ego of the Unix "leaders" prevented progress. There were 
new GUIs such as Looking Glass and others that could have been used. If so, we 
wouldn't have gone through the IBM and MS messes of OSs for the past few 
decades. We could be running Unix on everything. But then we'd be missing out 
on the whole industry of McAfee, Norton, and others. It's a shame, but Unix and 
Linux flavors still cling to the command line. I grew up with the command line 
in Pascal, CP/M, and DOS flavors, but I haven't used it now in several years, 
unless a support person asks me to go there and type something in for their 
purposes. Win10 is ok with all my current PCs so I'm staying there for now. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
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Re: [MBZ] Comments on FCP Euro

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Once you have used it to do a differential drain and refill, you'll know.

Dan

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> On Jun 24, 2016, at 10:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> That is one awesome tool. How can anyone live without it?
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2016 9:48 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes"  
>> wrote:
>> I have started using FCP Euro of late when I can get something OEM 
>> aftermarket, such as a fan clutch for the W140. I have been pleased with 
>> their service, but more so, their responsiveness when you make an inquiry.
>> 
>> I would also say that they appear to be making a serious effort to meet the 
>> needs of their customers. I say this due to a recent exchange I had with 
>> their marketing guy. I got an email from them listing their five best 
>> recommended specialty MB tools. They asked for suggestions if you had others 
>> to add to the list. I emailed him and suggested the Hazet drain plug wrench.
>> 
>> Within a couple of hours I got an enthusiast response from them thanking me 
>> for the suggestion and expressing surprise that they didn't offer it. 
>> They'll be adding it to their catalog shortly.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> > On Jun 24, 2016, at 12:46 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > Scott informs:
>> >
>> >> ‎This is a report on my order from >FCP Euro.
>> >
>> > After reading the list, it appears you have OE quality parts. You have hit 
>> > a home run, with the assistance of FCP Euro. Don't bother trying that with 
>> > AutohausAZ. It ain't happenin'.
>> >
>> > Rick
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[MBZ] Blinkers died. 85 300D

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

The blinkers stopped working on my 1985 300 D. I checked the fuses and the 
bulbs and both are in good shape. Where is the relay located for the blinkers 
on this car? The flashers will not function either.

Michael Esh
231-894-5505


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Re: [MBZ] Blinkers died. 85 300D

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Dude, cycle the emergency flasher switch a bunch first.


On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The blinkers stopped working on my 1985 300 D. I checked the fuses and the
> bulbs and both are in good shape. Where is the relay located for the
> blinkers on this car? The flashers will not function either.
>
> Michael Esh
> 231-894-5505
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Re: [MBZ] 240D 4spd for Kleb price

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

A real classic! I love the content dense text. Will trade for guns? I have
one Super Soaker. Maybe that plus $100 and I can on that car.
On Jun 23, 2016 11:04 PM, "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5650793979.html
>
> $500 or some guns
>
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Re: [MBZ] Comments on FCP Euro

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That is one awesome tool. How can anyone live without it?
On Jun 24, 2016 9:48 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I have started using FCP Euro of late when I can get something OEM
> aftermarket, such as a fan clutch for the W140. I have been pleased with
> their service, but more so, their responsiveness when you make an inquiry.
>
> I would also say that they appear to be making a serious effort to meet
> the needs of their customers. I say this due to a recent exchange I had
> with their marketing guy. I got an email from them listing their five best
> recommended specialty MB tools. They asked for suggestions if you had
> others to add to the list. I emailed him and suggested the Hazet drain plug
> wrench.
>
> Within a couple of hours I got an enthusiast response from them thanking
> me for the suggestion and expressing surprise that they didn't offer it.
> They'll be adding it to their catalog shortly.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
> > On Jun 24, 2016, at 12:46 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Scott informs:
> >
> >> ‎This is a report on my order from >FCP Euro.
> >
> > After reading the list, it appears you have OE quality parts. You have
> hit a home run, with the assistance of FCP Euro. Don't bother trying that
> with AutohausAZ. It ain't happenin'.
> >
> > Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Blinkers died. 85 300D

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 24/06/2016 11:02 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

Dude, cycle the emergency flasher switch a bunch first.


On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


The blinkers stopped working on my 1985 300 D. I checked the fuses and the
bulbs and both are in good shape. Where is the relay located for the
blinkers on this car? The flashers will not function either.

Michael Esh
231-894-5505


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Re: [MBZ] Blinkers died. 85 300D

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Last resort: refill the blinker fluid reservoir.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

It is easy so long as all you ever need is the builtins:  Fire fox and 
libre office.  The file manager analog to Winders explorer is not right 
out there like fire fox and libre office.  So it is clunky to find  
files.  when you need to add some other software, it gets all bash and 
tarball vernacular on you.


I did manage to find files on the winders server with it.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
June 24, 2016 at 11:55 AM
Its mostly not true though. Ubuntu is super easy, try it, you'll like it.
-Curt

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

Thanks, Curly. That's the best and simplest explanation of why more 
people don't use Linux that I've seen so far.

Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] 240d

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 23/06/2016 4:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Why are people wanting stupid money for their 240d?



Have you looked at the asking prices for 40 and 50 year old American cars?
The Mercedes seem cheap by comparison.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] 240D 4spd for Kleb price

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Weird, the clutch slave is a very easy job. Bring a jack and some stands and 
drive it away?
Gotta be something else majorly wrong, years of deferred maintenance probably...
-Curt

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https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5650793979.html

$500 or some guns


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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[OK Don via Mercedes]

If it's your privacy that is at issue, and you don't do anymore than you
listed, try TAILS:

https://tails.boum.org/

You install it on a USB drive, boot the PC on it, and there you are. All
traces are gone when you shut it down, and none (or very few) are left in
cyberspace.

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:25 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Why do people, (like me), who are seriously critical of both Apple and
> Microsoft; not go to some flavor of Linux?
> When I tried to do it a number of years ago, the learning curve was so
> long and involved it wasn't worth it to someone who only does emails,
> searches, and reads online news.
> Now, with all the invasions of privacy, I'm beginning to be tempted again
> providing it's been somewhat simplified and providing there won't be the
> same invasions of privacy.
> Gerry
> ~~~
>
>


-- 
OK Don

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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes, you can boot from a USB drive and try it before installing it on the
PC.

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Its mostly not true though. Ubuntu is super easy, try it, you'll like it.
> -Curt
>
>
> --
>
OK Don

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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

+1

Dan

> On Jun 24, 2016, at 12:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Its mostly not true though. Ubuntu is super easy, try it, you'll like it.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 2:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12
> 
> Thanks, Curly. That's the best and simplest explanation of why more people 
> don't use Linux that I've seen so far.
> Gerry
> ~
> Curley McLain wrote:
>> The stumbling block for linux is that you either have to be all in, or 
>> you get frustrated.  By all in, I mean you have to learn all the unix 
>> command line stuff, and a whole new language.  Even though some, like 
>> ubuntu,  for instance, claim that it is all GUI, you don't really even 
>> get started before you need to do something or find something and it all 
>> becomes a foreign language, bash this and tarballs that and  whatnot, 
>> with no definitions or explanations, but you are expected to run the 
>> terminal and know the sytax.  I get through some of it, but each time so 
>> far,  ihave given up.  The other problem is that if you have Dan or 
>> Kleb's MB software, you have to run M$ hit.  Or the wife needs to use a 
>> website that only works on M$ IE.  Or it is less frustrating to just use 
>> a Mac and spend your time being productive in place of spending your 
>> time working on the stupid computer.
>> 
>> Every time I see bash in the instructions for trying to do something in 
>> linux, I figure they mean to get out the BFH and bash the stupid 
>> computer to bits.  So far, I have refrained.
>> 
>> There are linux for dummies books, but I have never bought one, i've not 
>> tried to see if the welfare bookstore has one.
>> 
>> I have made 8 or 10 serious attempts to date, starting with Red hat 5, 
>> then mandrake, then ubuntu, but each has ended in frustration.  I did 
>> get a fairly decent start with an ubunto desktop about a year ago.  I 
>> was trying to get everyone to use one, but nobody wanted to use it.  I 
>> used it some.
>> 
>> My shop computer, when I get one set up, will be ubuntu, but I will 
>> still need a winders machine to run the borescope.
>> 
>>> archer75--- via Mercedes 

Re: [MBZ] 240d

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Investigate a VW Thing. In decent condition they're selling for 2-3x the 
original purchase price.Actually price out a '60s Camaro in drivable shape...
-Curt

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 Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 12:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240d
   
On 23/06/2016 4:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Why are people wanting stupid money for their 240d?
>
>
Have you looked at the asking prices for 40 and 50 year old American cars?
The Mercedes seem cheap by comparison.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Replacing a disk on a Windows system

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've never had to call in a Win7 serial, I've installed and reinstalled my home 
machine several times through hardware changes and never had an issue.
-Curt

  From: Tim Crone via Mercedes 
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Cc: Tim Crone 
 Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 8:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Replacing a disk on a Windows system
   
On Wed, Jun 22, 2016, 10:05 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> assumes you are ok.  If not you need to convince to a human you are not
> cheating.  Of course, things may have changed by now.
>

The last time I called in (Server 2012), the appeal was entirely
automated.  I typed in the hash, affirmed by keypress that I was only using
the license on one machine, and they gave me the activation code.  I was
impressed - the licensing used to be a lot more anti-consumer.

Best,
Tim

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Its super easy, get Ubuntu and be free...
There are other distros that are super security conscious even.
-Curt

  From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12
   
Why do people, (like me), who are seriously critical of both Apple and 
Microsoft; not go to some flavor of Linux? 
When I tried to do it a number of years ago, the learning curve was so long and 
involved it wasn't worth it to someone who only does emails, searches, and 
reads online news.
Now, with all the invasions of privacy, I'm beginning to be tempted again 
providing it's been somewhat simplified and providing there won't be the same 
invasions of privacy.
Gerry
~~~
Curley McLain wrote:
> Since apfel has decided to go all Billygates and arbitrarily force 
> people to abandon pre-2010 machines with 10.12, does that include i5 and  i7 
> machines?  I see they have changed the nomenclature with el crap.  
> Where my mosheen was Macbook pro 8.1 before, now it is called MacBook 
> Pro (13-inch, Early 2011) in el crap.
> 
> Obviously this machine is still ok, but the other macbooks in the family 
> will be SOL.  One, the macbook 1,1 is already bypassed by el crap, so it 
> becomes a linux machine, I guess.
> 
> Dan said he thinks the hackintosh crowd will find a way to make older 
> machines work.  What do you all think about this new sales scam?
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Re: [MBZ] Blinkers died. 85 300D

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

When Jim says cycle it a bunch, that means A WHOLE BUNCH.  I had a similar 
problem once and after a couple hundred cycles back and forth it worked. 

Don Snook 

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Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 11:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blinkers died. 85 300D

Dude, cycle the emergency flasher switch a bunch first.


On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes < 
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> The blinkers stopped working on my 1985 300 D. I checked the fuses and 
> the bulbs and both are in good shape. Where is the relay located for 
> the blinkers on this car? The flashers will not function either.
>
> Michael Esh
> 231-894-5505
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Its mostly not true though. Ubuntu is super easy, try it, you'll like it.
-Curt

  From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
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Cc: "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
 Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 2:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12
   
Thanks, Curly. That's the best and simplest explanation of why more people 
don't use Linux that I've seen so far.
Gerry
~
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> The stumbling block for linux is that you either have to be all in, or 
> you get frustrated.  By all in, I mean you have to learn all the unix 
> command line stuff, and a whole new language.  Even though some, like 
> ubuntu,  for instance, claim that it is all GUI, you don't really even 
> get started before you need to do something or find something and it all 
> becomes a foreign language, bash this and tarballs that and  whatnot, 
> with no definitions or explanations, but you are expected to run the 
> terminal and know the sytax.  I get through some of it, but each time so 
> far,  ihave given up.  The other problem is that if you have Dan or 
> Kleb's MB software, you have to run M$ hit.  Or the wife needs to use a 
> website that only works on M$ IE.  Or it is less frustrating to just use 
> a Mac and spend your time being productive in place of spending your 
> time working on the stupid computer.
> 
> Every time I see bash in the instructions for trying to do something in 
> linux, I figure they mean to get out the BFH and bash the stupid 
> computer to bits.  So far, I have refrained.
> 
> There are linux for dummies books, but I have never bought one, i've not 
> tried to see if the welfare bookstore has one.
> 
> I have made 8 or 10 serious attempts to date, starting with Red hat 5, 
> then mandrake, then ubuntu, but each has ended in frustration.  I did 
> get a fairly decent start with an ubunto desktop about a year ago.  I 
> was trying to get everyone to use one, but nobody wanted to use it.  I 
> used it some.
> 
> My shop computer, when I get one set up, will be ubuntu, but I will 
> still need a winders machine to run the borescope.
> 
> > archer75--- via Mercedes 
> > June 23, 2016 at 10:25 PM
> > Why do people, (like me), who are seriously critical of both Apple and 
> > Microsoft; not go to some flavor of Linux?
> > When I tried to do it a number of years ago, the learning curve was so 
> > long and involved it wasn't worth it to someone who only does emails, 
> > searches, and reads online news.
> > Now, with all the invasions of privacy, I'm beginning to be tempted 
> > again providing it's been somewhat simplified and providing there 
> > won't be the same invasions of privacy.
> > Gerry
> > ~~~

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Actually you can boot from a USB drive forever even. I keep a copy of Puppy 
Linux on a USB drive at my parents house so I can use their computer without 
messing up any of their settings. They use a really big desktop resolution that 
drives me crazy... When I'm done I pull the USB drive and its their computer 
again. Puppy is super lightweight and runs fast even on older hardware.
The only downside is that shutdowns are slow because the OS runs from RAM and 
everything needs to be written back to disk when you're done.
-Curt

  From: OK Don 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 1:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12
   
Yes, you can boot from a USB drive and try it before installing it on the PC.
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Its mostly not true though. Ubuntu is super easy, try it, you'll like it.
-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

99% of people do 2 things, they surf the web and read email which for a lot 
(most?) of people with Yahoo or Gmail is the same thing.
You don't even need libre office, Google drive has that all covered with cloud 
storage built in. My dad retired last year and in setting himself up for 
consulting was going to buy Microsoft Office until I introduced him to Google 
Drive. I actually like the Google word processor best of the options available 
today...
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 1:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12
   
It is easy so long as all you ever need is the builtins:  Fire fox and libre 
office.  The file manager analog to Winders explorer is not right out there 
like fire fox and libre office.  So it is clunky to find  files.  when you need 
to add some other software, it gets all bash and tarball vernacular on you.

I did manage to find files on the winders server with it.


   Curt Raymond via Mercedes  June 24, 2016 at 11:55 AM  Its mostly not true 
though. Ubuntu is super easy, try it, you'll like it.
-Curt

 From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
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Cc: "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
 Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 2:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12
 
Thanks, Curly. That's the best and simplest explanation of why more people 
don't use Linux that I've seen so far.
Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] 1979 Mercedes 240 Diesel showroom condition

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've never seen a 123 240D that didn't have air con, I've only ever seen one 
that didn't have a sunroof. I think they all have a 4spd (the auto is a 4 
right?). His car might not be as rare as he thinks it is.
-Curt

  From: Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
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Cc: Kevin Kraly 
 Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 1:46 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] 1979 Mercedes 240 Diesel showroom condition
   
This is a whole new level of stupid price  for a 240D.  Put Down the crack 
pipe!!!

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/5635029509.html


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[MBZ] 1979 Mercedes 240 Diesel showroom condition

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

This is a whole new level of stupid price  for a 240D.  Put Down the crack 
pipe!!!

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/5635029509.html


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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Right!  Most people do  web, email, photos and video, in that order.
This is why the majority of OS "improvements" amount to downgrades of 
the user experience.  That is why I complain about changes just because 
the programmers could make a change, not because of a good reason.  All 
the constant new interfaces on M$ products, for example, are 
detrimental, not any real enhancement.


I've used oogle drive, and it is good for collaborative efforts.  Oogle 
wants to know everything about you, worse than goobermnt, and more 
effective than goobers.  That is why I don't use oogle docs unless it is 
a collaboration.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
June 24, 2016 at 12:13 PM
99% of people do 2 things, they surf the web and read email which for 
a lot (most?) of people with Yahoo or Gmail is the same thing.
You don't even need libre office, Google drive has that all covered 
with cloud storage built in. My dad retired last year and in setting 
himself up for consulting was going to buy Microsoft Office until I 
introduced him to Google Drive. I actually like the Google word 
processor best of the options available today...

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Thanks, Curly. That's the best and simplest explanation of why more people 
don't use Linux that I've seen so far.
Gerry
~
Curley McLain wrote:
> The stumbling block for linux is that you either have to be all in, or 
> you get frustrated.  By all in, I mean you have to learn all the unix 
> command line stuff, and a whole new language.  Even though some, like 
> ubuntu,  for instance, claim that it is all GUI, you don't really even 
> get started before you need to do something or find something and it all 
> becomes a foreign language, bash this and tarballs that and  whatnot, 
> with no definitions or explanations, but you are expected to run the 
> terminal and know the sytax.  I get through some of it, but each time so 
> far,  ihave given up.  The other problem is that if you have Dan or 
> Kleb's MB software, you have to run M$ hit.  Or the wife needs to use a 
> website that only works on M$ IE.  Or it is less frustrating to just use 
> a Mac and spend your time being productive in place of spending your 
> time working on the stupid computer.
> 
> Every time I see bash in the instructions for trying to do something in 
> linux, I figure they mean to get out the BFH and bash the stupid 
> computer to bits.  So far, I have refrained.
> 
> There are linux for dummies books, but I have never bought one, i've not 
> tried to see if the welfare bookstore has one.
> 
> I have made 8 or 10 serious attempts to date, starting with Red hat 5, 
> then mandrake, then ubuntu, but each has ended in frustration.  I did 
> get a fairly decent start with an ubunto desktop about a year ago.  I 
> was trying to get everyone to use one, but nobody wanted to use it.  I 
> used it some.
> 
> My shop computer, when I get one set up, will be ubuntu, but I will 
> still need a winders machine to run the borescope.
> 
> > archer75--- via Mercedes 
> > June 23, 2016 at 10:25 PM
> > Why do people, (like me), who are seriously critical of both Apple and 
> > Microsoft; not go to some flavor of Linux?
> > When I tried to do it a number of years ago, the learning curve was so 
> > long and involved it wasn't worth it to someone who only does emails, 
> > searches, and reads online news.
> > Now, with all the invasions of privacy, I'm beginning to be tempted 
> > again providing it's been somewhat simplified and providing there 
> > won't be the same invasions of privacy.
> > Gerry
> > ~~~

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[MBZ] OT - MDD sounding MP 3,1

[clay via Mercedes]

The new to me MP has some serious fan issues.  The 1,1 was rather quiet, with 
only minimal fan noise when things got hot and heavy (summer, much 
processor/GPU usage).  The 3,1 has a constant high fan speed that make is seem 
like the Mirror Door model.  Would this be due to the 32Gb of HP dimms not 
having large enough heat sink?


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Re: [MBZ] OT - MDD sounding MP 3,1

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It should be as quiet as the MP 1,1.

Did you check the heat sinks for cleanliness when you had it open?

I run 32GB of RAM in my MP 3,1 and its standard server RAM without the giant 
heat sinks. Very little, if any, fan noise.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 24, 2016, at 3:01 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> The new to me MP has some serious fan issues.  The 1,1 was rather quiet, with 
> only minimal fan noise when things got hot and heavy (summer, much 
> processor/GPU usage).  The 3,1 has a constant high fan speed that make is 
> seem like the Mirror Door model.  Would this be due to the 32Gb of HP dimms 
> not having large enough heat sink?
> 
> 
> ---
> clay
> 
>> I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm 
>> looking for didn't fall out.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fan question

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes

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> 
> Does a W140 93 400sel have a fan clutch?
> Thanks
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 1990 300D
> Wickford RI
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[MBZ] Speaking of 116

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I talked to this guy and can get for 1k but after fixing rust and paint, and 
seat covers I could probably find one cheaper.

1980 Mercedes 300SD
http://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/5626553660.html

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Re: [MBZ] Fan question

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Thanks Kaleb. As I thought

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Jun 24, 2016 5:32 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Does a W140 93 400sel have a fan clutch?
> > Thanks
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > 1982 300CD
> > 1990 300D
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Re: [MBZ] 1979 Mercedes 240 Diesel showroom condition

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 24/06/2016 12:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I've never seen a 123 240D that didn't have air con, I've only ever seen one 
that didn't have a sunroof. I think they all have a 4spd (the auto is a 4 
right?). His car might not be as rare as he thinks it is.
-Curt

   From: Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
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Cc: Kevin Kraly 
  Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 1:46 PM
  Subject: [MBZ] 1979 Mercedes 240 Diesel showroom condition

This is a whole new level of stupid price  for a 240D.  Put Down the crack pipe!!!


http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/5635029509.html



And, why would anyone want a "rare" car.
I want the most common vehicles possible in order to ensure lots of 
parts etc.
Get a rare one and it may be nothing more than a garage queen because it 
always needs something that one cannot easily obtain.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] 1979 Mercedes 240 Diesel showroom condition

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Easily worth $14k on ebay.

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 24/06/2016 12:46 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> This is a whole new level of stupid price  for a 240D.  Put Down the
>> crack pipe!!!
>>
>> http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/5635029509.html
>>
>>
> No, be thankful that they appear to be going up in value and offer your
> 240D for $25K and smile if you sell it.
>
> RB
>
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[MBZ] Fan question

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Does a W140 93 400sel have a fan clutch?
Thanks

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] 1979 Mercedes 240 Diesel showroom condition

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

My 81 in the barn has no sunroof 

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> On Jun 24, 2016, at 4:07 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 16:26:11 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
>> 
>>> I've never seen a 123 240D that didn't have air con, I've only ever
>>> seen one that didn't have a sunroof.
>> 
>> My '80 240D had no sunroof.  Bought it new in Oct '79.  Totaled by
>> uninsured driver (other driver) on ragged pickup in Jul '88 at 185 kmi.
> 
> Our '82 240D/3.0 has no sunroof.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Now THIS is a Kleb Car!

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Now damnit somebody find me a nice non turbo 240d/300d or a nice 116 300sd. 

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[MBZ] Now THIS is a Kleb Car!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/5642484619.html

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Re: [MBZ] Blinkers died. 85 300D

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Swap out the emergency blinker module.  Or the relay.

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When Jim says cycle it a bunch, that means A WHOLE BUNCH.  I had a similar
> problem once and after a couple hundred cycles back and forth it worked.
>
> Don Snook
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Cathey [mailto:jim.cathey...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 11:02 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blinkers died. 85 300D
>
> Dude, cycle the emergency flasher switch a bunch first.
>
>
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The blinkers stopped working on my 1985 300 D. I checked the fuses and
> > the bulbs and both are in good shape. Where is the relay located for
> > the blinkers on this car? The flashers will not function either.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 1979 Mercedes 240 Diesel showroom condition

[WILTON via Mercedes]

My '80 240D had no sunroof.  Bought it new in Oct '79.  Totaled by uninsured 
driver (other driver) on ragged pickup in Jul '88 at 185 kmi.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 

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Cc: "Curt Raymond" 
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1979 Mercedes 240 Diesel showroom condition


I've never seen a 123 240D that didn't have air con, I've only ever seen 
one that didn't have a sunroof. I think they all have a 4spd (the auto is 
a 4 right?). His car might not be as rare as he thinks it is.

-Curt

 From: Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
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Cc: Kevin Kraly 
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 1:46 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 1979 Mercedes 240 Diesel showroom condition

This is a whole new level of stupid price for a 240D. Put Down the crack 
pipe!!!


http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/5635029509.html


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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of 116

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

As a bonus,  for no extra charge, it comes with the evil crypsler ACC.


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
June 24, 2016 at 4:43 PM
I talked to this guy and can get for 1k but after fixing rust and 
paint, and seat covers I could probably find one cheaper.


1980 Mercedes 300SD
http://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/5626553660.html




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[MBZ] For all you W140 Lovers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This is about a mile from my house:

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5649409378.html

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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of 116

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I would be more on this one if I had good seats for it. I think the ones you 
have are the same color? I have the back seat from that set but rats chewed it 
up. I may try to come look at it Sunday. 

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> On Jun 24, 2016, at 5:58 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
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> Hm.  Take it to Martha on a road trip?
> 
> :)
> 
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I talked to this guy and can get for 1k but after fixing rust and paint,
>> and seat covers I could probably find one cheaper.
>> 
>> 1980 Mercedes 300SD
>> http://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/5626553660.html
>> 
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[MBZ] Where are the brown car appreciation folks?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5628921218.html

Dan

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[MBZ] Here you go, Kaleb!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And it’s a manny tranny, too!

http://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/5632583669.html

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[MBZ] "Car will look very sharp with minimal work"

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Uh, yeah, right.

http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/5647545681.html

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] "Car will look very sharp with minimal work"

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Interior is quite rough 

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> Uh, yeah, right.
> 
> http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/5647545681.html
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[MBZ] This is even better, Kaleb!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s already up on blocks for you!

http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/5642771133.html

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Re: [MBZ] 240D 4spd for Kleb price

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Just take some guns and take the car.

--R


On 6/24/16 12:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Weird, the clutch slave is a very easy job. Bring a jack and some stands and 
drive it away?
Gotta be something else majorly wrong, years of deferred maintenance probably...
-Curt

   From: Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
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Cc: Joel Cairo 
  Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:04 PM
  Subject: [MBZ] 240D 4spd for Kleb price

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5650793979.html


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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of 116

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Hm.  Take it to Martha on a road trip?

:)

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I talked to this guy and can get for 1k but after fixing rust and paint,
> and seat covers I could probably find one cheaper.
>
> 1980 Mercedes 300SD
> http://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/5626553660.html
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Re: [MBZ] Where are the brown car appreciation folks?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Ugh. What is a D300?

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1982 300CD
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Re: [MBZ] "Car will look very sharp with minimal work"

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Looks like they held an MMA match in there

--JC


On 6/24/16 8:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Interior is quite rough

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On Jun 24, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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Uh, yeah, right.

http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/5647545681.html

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Blinkers died. 85 300D

[WILTON via Mercedes]

In the center console under/with the emer flasher switch, isn't it?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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Cc: "Michael Esh" 
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blinkers died. 85 300D



Where is the blinker relay located on the 85 300D?

Michael Esh
231-894-5505


On Jun 24, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Swap out the emergency blinker module.  Or the relay.

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

When Jim says cycle it a bunch, that means A WHOLE BUNCH.  I had a 
similar

problem once and after a couple hundred cycles back and forth it worked.

Don Snook

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From: Jim Cathey [mailto:jim.cathey...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 11:02 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blinkers died. 85 300D

Dude, cycle the emergency flasher switch a bunch first.


On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


The blinkers stopped working on my 1985 300 D. I checked the fuses and
the bulbs and both are in good shape. Where is the relay located for
the blinkers on this car? The flashers will not function either.

Michael Esh
231-894-5505

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Re: [MBZ] An early 4th of July present.

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 23:23:15 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> From this recording, perhaps if you have good speakers, you might get
> an inkling of the powerful voice he has, and find it thrilling.

Yes, he does have an excellent voice.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

A supported OS that lasts five years? That would be a solution providing it 
doesn't have all the pop-ups and other distractions that Windows has.
Gerry
~~~
OK Don wrote:
> Note - they now have the LTS version:  "long-term support – which means
> five years of free security and maintenance updates, guaranteed".

> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
 
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 8:36 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Okay, thanks, I will. I tried Ubuntu years ago, but every time I got used
> > to one version they would make changes or bring on another version. Maybe
> > by now they don't change things as often as they once did.
> > Gerry
> > ~~~
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> OK Don
> 
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
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Re: [MBZ] OT - MDD sounding MP 3,1

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

When we put the 32GB in my brother's 1,1 the fans pegged.  Nasty.  We
pulled half of it out and it settled down.  These RAM sticks were from an
HP or something, definitely not the beefy heat sink jobs that were in there
before.  (All gone, now, due to the fire.)
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Re: [MBZ] Blinkers died. 85 300D

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

Where is the blinker relay located on the 85 300D?

Michael Esh
231-894-5505


> On Jun 24, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Swap out the emergency blinker module.  Or the relay.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> When Jim says cycle it a bunch, that means A WHOLE BUNCH.  I had a similar
>> problem once and after a couple hundred cycles back and forth it worked.
>> 
>> Don Snook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jim Cathey [mailto:jim.cathey...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 11:02 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blinkers died. 85 300D
>> 
>> Dude, cycle the emergency flasher switch a bunch first.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The blinkers stopped working on my 1985 300 D. I checked the fuses and
>>> the bulbs and both are in good shape. Where is the relay located for
>>> the blinkers on this car? The flashers will not function either.
>>> 
>>> Michael Esh
>>> 231-894-5505
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Re: [MBZ] 240d

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I wouldn't  see a VW kubelwagen  as,a substitute for a 240D. They are cool
but not ...

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Jun 24, 2016 1:06 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Investigate a VW Thing. In decent condition they're selling for 2-3x the
> original purchase price.Actually price out a '60s Camaro in drivable
> shape...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Randy Bennell 
>  Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 12:06 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240d
>
> On 23/06/2016 4:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > Why are people wanting stupid money for their 240d?
> >
> >
> Have you looked at the asking prices for 40 and 50 year old American cars?
> The Mercedes seem cheap by comparison.
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Blinkers died. 85 300D

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 22:44:30 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
 wrote:

> In the center console under/with the emer flasher switch, isn't it?

Yes, as I alluded to in my response.


Craig


> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Michael Esh via Mercedes" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Michael Esh" 
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 10:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blinkers died. 85 300D
> 
> 
> > Where is the blinker relay located on the 85 300D?
> >
> > Michael Esh
> > 231-894-5505
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 24, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Swap out the emergency blinker module.  Or the relay.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> When Jim says cycle it a bunch, that means A WHOLE BUNCH.  I had a 
> >>> similar
> >>> problem once and after a couple hundred cycles back and forth it
> >>> worked.
> >>>
> >>> Don Snook
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Jim Cathey [mailto:jim.cathey...@gmail.com]
> >>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 11:02 AM
> >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blinkers died. 85 300D
> >>>
> >>> Dude, cycle the emergency flasher switch a bunch first.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  The blinkers stopped working on my 1985 300 D. I checked the fuses
>  and the bulbs and both are in good shape. Where is the relay
>  located for the blinkers on this car? The flashers will not
>  function either.
> 
>  Michael Esh
>  231-894-5505
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Okay, thanks, I will. I tried Ubuntu years ago, but every time I got used to 
one version they would make changes or bring on another version. Maybe by now 
they don't change things as often as they once did. 
Gerry
~~~
Curt Raymond wrote:
> Its super easy, get Ubuntu and be free...
> There are other distros that are super security conscious even.
> -Curt
> 
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>  Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:25 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12
>
> Why do people, (like me), who are seriously critical of both Apple and 
> Microsoft; not go to some flavor of Linux? 
> When I tried to do it a number of years ago, the learning curve was so long 
> and involved it wasn't worth it to someone who only does emails, searches, 
> and reads online news.
> Now, with all the invasions of privacy, I'm beginning to be tempted again 
> providing it's been somewhat simplified and providing there won't be the same 
> invasions of privacy.
> Gerry
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> Curley McLain wrote:
> > Since apfel has decided to go all Billygates and arbitrarily force 
> > people to abandon pre-2010 machines with 10.12, does that include i5 and  
> > i7 machines?  I see they have changed the nomenclature with el crap.  
> > Where my mosheen was Macbook pro 8.1 before, now it is called MacBook 
> > Pro (13-inch, Early 2011) in el crap.
> > 
> > Obviously this machine is still ok, but the other macbooks in the family 
> > will be SOL.  One, the macbook 1,1 is already bypassed by el crap, so it 
> > becomes a linux machine, I guess.
> > 
> > Dan said he thinks the hackintosh crowd will find a way to make older 
> > machines work.  What do you all think about this new sales scam?
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Re: [MBZ] This is even better, Kaleb!

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes blocks,are classy.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Jun 24, 2016 9:07 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
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> It’s already up on blocks for you!
>
> http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/5642771133.html
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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of 116

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Lemme know how it looks.  I may be interested in it as a backup vehicle,
myself...

-MMM-

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 7:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> I would be more on this one if I had good seats for it. I think the ones
> you have are the same color? I have the back seat from that set but rats
> chewed it up. I may try to come look at it Sunday.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jun 24, 2016, at 5:58 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
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> >
> > Hm.  Take it to Martha on a road trip?
> >
> > :)
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> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I talked to this guy and can get for 1k but after fixing rust and paint,
> >> and seat covers I could probably find one cheaper.
> >>
> >> 1980 Mercedes 300SD
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

That's interesting. Thanks. I'll try it.
After Microsofts new CEO proved that people would buy Windows 10 even though it 
actively collects whatever information it wants from their computers, it seems 
like every company in Silicon Valley is doing the same. AVG, the antivirus I've 
used for years, even "announced" that it would be collecting personal 
information on its subscribers.
While I have no information I necessarily want to keep secret; I firmly believe 
in an individuals personal rights which include the right to privacy.
Gerry 

~~~
OK Don wrote:
> If it's your privacy that is at issue, and you don't do anymore than you
> listed, try TAILS:
> 
> https://tails.boum.org/
> 
> You install it on a USB drive, boot the PC on it, and there you are. All
> traces are gone when you shut it down, and none (or very few) are left in
> cyberspace.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:25 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Why do people, (like me), who are seriously critical of both Apple and
> > Microsoft; not go to some flavor of Linux?
> > When I tried to do it a number of years ago, the learning curve was so
> > long and involved it wasn't worth it to someone who only does emails,
> > searches, and reads online news.
> > Now, with all the invasions of privacy, I'm beginning to be tempted again
> > providing it's been somewhat simplified and providing there won't be the
> > same invasions of privacy.
> > Gerry
> > ~~~
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
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> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
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> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Here you go, Kaleb!

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Where does one get a new 240 engine?

--JC


On 6/24/16 9:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

And it’s a manny tranny, too!

http://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/5632583669.html

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Re: [MBZ] Here you go, Kaleb!

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Perhaps they got the new engine 20 - 30 years ago?
It also has roll-up windows.

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> Where does one get a new 240 engine?
>
> --JC
>
>
>
> On 6/24/16 9:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
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>> And it’s a manny tranny, too!
>>
>> http://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/5632583669.html
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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Note - they now have the LTS version:  "long-term support – which means
five years of free security and maintenance updates, guaranteed".
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop


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> Okay, thanks, I will. I tried Ubuntu years ago, but every time I got used
> to one version they would make changes or bring on another version. Maybe
> by now they don't change things as often as they once did.
> Gerry
> ~~~
>
>
> --
>
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
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[MBZ] An early 4th of July present.

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

This recording is from 3 years ago, (july 3) but to hear Simon Estes 
sing this song in person is a thrill.  The first time I ever heard Simon 
Estes sing, I was thinking what a voice to sing this song.  And before 
the evening was over he sang it.  From this recording, perhaps if you 
have good speakers, you might get an inkling of the powerful voice he 
has, and find it thrilling.  The few performances I would say were 
thrilling I can count on one hand, and Simon singing this song is the 
only one where I was in the audience, not a part of the performance.   
If not, well, it is a great rendition of an old song.


I am in no way an opera fan, but I am a fan of Simon Estes.  He is much 
more versatile than just opera.


https://youtu.be/Y6BARdzQVzg

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Re: [MBZ] Blinkers died. 85 300D

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 16:47:23 + Donald Snook via Mercedes
 wrote:

> When Jim says cycle it a bunch, that means A WHOLE BUNCH.  I had a
> similar problem once and after a couple hundred cycles back and forth
> it worked.

Or, you can open up the console, remove the switch, take it apart inside
a plastic baggie, carefully remove the pieces, clean them all up, using
contact cleaner/lubricant in the right places, and put it all back
together.

That's what I finally did when the turn signals on our '82 240D/3.0 gave
up last summer.

But in my case it turned out to be the flasher. I cobbled up a way to
connect a cheap FLAPS flasher, but I have since found the OEM replacement
flasher I bought from Rusty a few years ago. I may install that some day.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 1979 Mercedes 240 Diesel showroom condition

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 24/06/2016 12:46 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes wrote:

This is a whole new level of stupid price  for a 240D.  Put Down the crack 
pipe!!!

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/5635029509.html



No, be thankful that they appear to be going up in value and offer your 
240D for $25K and smile if you sell it.


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Re: [MBZ] 1979 Mercedes 240 Diesel showroom condition

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 16:26:11 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
 wrote:

> From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
> 
> > I've never seen a 123 240D that didn't have air con, I've only ever
> > seen one that didn't have a sunroof.
>
> My '80 240D had no sunroof.  Bought it new in Oct '79.  Totaled by
> uninsured driver (other driver) on ragged pickup in Jul '88 at 185 kmi.

Our '82 240D/3.0 has no sunroof.


Craig

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