Re: [MBZ] OT Brand new tube amps.

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I bet most of us here made some manner of Heathkit something at some point in 
our lives. 

Bob R

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> Curley wrote:
>> Ran across this.
> 
> ... Or ...
> This  http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/PopularElectronics/Dec1967/PE_Dec1967.htm
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

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Cut the volts in half and you cut the watts to a quarter. 
Mitch
> On March 24, 2019 at 10:39 PM Mountain Man via Mercedes 
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> Will 230v work for 110v?
> Where's Craig?

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

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Curley wrote:
> The guy I used to work for would know all that.

And he knew a lot more, no doubt.  The type of guy we need a million more today.
Will 230v replacement work in 110v?
That is question for Craig, and Watlow / Calrod.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

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-- Jim wrote:
> My guess is all you really need is the overall physical dimensions of the
> installation (coil shape/size), voltage/wattage, and that it's for a coffee 
> maker?
>
> This is a low-tech installation, in all likelihood.

Will 230v work for 110v?
Where's Craig?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Brand new tube amps.

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Curley wrote:
> Ran across this.

... Or ...
This  http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/PopularElectronics/Dec1967/PE_Dec1967.htm
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Re: [MBZ] Tire rotation interval

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If you rotate, 14k sounds like a loong time. 
5-10k sounds more reasonable, that doc you posted combines it with oil changes 
because that's when the car is in the shop, not because it's the best time to 
do it. 
Do the newer FSS go over 14k now? I thought 10k was the max on W210 FSS. My 
Saturn tends to run around 11.7k with me driving it. 

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Re: [MBZ] Tire rotation interval

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On a W210 if you do not rotate the tires the rear tires, especially the 
right rear, will wear out way before the front. The reason this question 
comes up is I am about 3k miles away from a 14k rotation interval on the 
01 E320 which had new Milestar 50k mile tires installed then.  I happen 
to notice the right rear seems like it has way more wear that it 
should.  I need to look at it further.  That just got me to wondering if 
14k is too long.  I think I got it from the attached document.


On 3/24/2019 7:33 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

The 'hypermilers' claim that rotating tires causes a measurable increase in 
fuel consumption and a small decrease in overall tire life.

OTOH, if you don't rotate your tires, the drive tires wear usually out first so 
you waste rubber if you replace all four or waste money if you replace pairs 
without getting the rebate for buying four.

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Re: [MBZ] Tire rotation interval

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The 'hypermilers' claim that rotating tires causes a measurable increase in 
fuel consumption and a small decrease in overall tire life. 

OTOH, if you don't rotate your tires, the drive tires wear usually out first so 
you waste rubber if you replace all four or waste money if you replace pairs 
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[MBZ] Tire rotation interval

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

What should the tire rotation interval be on a W210, or any other 
chassis for that matter?  I am showing 14k but I wonder if that is too 
long?  I went thru a service schedule I found a while back and I am sure 
this is how it was listed.  Does that sound right?



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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with the roof?

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Kleb needs to buy it for the G-man, it looks pretty clean other than the 
paint/body.  I bet y'all could get it running easy enough.


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On closer inspection of the roof pic, I see an impact point that tells me
some object struck the roof, If it was a lucky hit, it did not bend the
windshild frame area and with skill, could be repaired properly.
Good candidate for strip to bare body and dustless blasting to remove old
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Same as hood?

Dwight Giles Jr.
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Re: [MBZ] I want to loose my lug bolts -- well that is disappointing

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Hit the stuck bolts with the air wrench, just let it bang for a good 
while, some fwd/rev trying to loosen them.  Finally sheared one off, 
then the other.  Sigh.  So I got one most of the way drilled out until 
time to quit.  That steel is tough, a center punch got dulled too.  I 
used various sized bits to step up, kept the bit and bolt wet with 
cutting fluid, after an hour the one is most of the way drilled out but 
not quite.  Not real fun.  I guess I'll work on them again this week, 
try to get that wheel off. BAH!


It looks like some old 126 wheel bolts I have are the same as what is on 
this car, so I have a bunch I can use, don't have to order more.  So 
that is a good aspect.


--FT

On 3/24/19 5:34 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Strikes me this is a galling problem not a thread problem. They usually
turn easily once the ball is freed up. Not sure what the answer is apart
from using wheels with steel seat inserts.

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Who cares as long as you got some soak time? It only takes a little bit to
do the job.

-D



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I filled it yesterday afternoon will check this morning and see if it

worked. I wondered if that would happen.

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On Mar 24, 2019, at 3:03 AM, fmiser via Mercedes 

wrote:

Floyd wrote:
I mixed up some magic elixer acetone+ATF to use to try to get
the lug bolts off the SL600 wheel that is stuck on.  I put a big
piece of duct tape over the bolt hole

Won't the acetone just dissolve the duct tape?

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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with the roof?

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On closer inspection of the roof pic, I see an impact point that tells me
some object struck the roof, If it was a lucky hit, it did not bend the
windshild frame area and with skill, could be repaired properly.
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> Same as hood?
>
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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with the roof?

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Same as hood?

Dwight Giles Jr.
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Re: [MBZ] What is the deal with the roof?

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Someone sat on the roof, or a tree limb fell on it, my guess. The paint has
extreme sun/heat damage on the roof. Likely it sat for years outside.
Major body rebuild needed, with full paint strip and repaint.
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Re: [MBZ] I want to loose my lug bolts

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Strikes me this is a galling problem not a thread problem. They usually
turn easily once the ball is freed up. Not sure what the answer is apart
from using wheels with steel seat inserts.

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> Who cares as long as you got some soak time? It only takes a little bit to
> do the job.
>
> -D
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> >>> Floyd wrote:
> >>
> >>> I mixed up some magic elixer acetone+ATF to use to try to get
> >>> the lug bolts off the SL600 wheel that is stuck on.  I put a big
> >>> piece of duct tape over the bolt hole
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Re: [MBZ] what color is that?

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It a special shade called "Repaint Pink" because it requires repainting
from the day it left the factory.. Alternate name, "Pepto Bismal Puke".
Sure needs a lot of Love.


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> Faded strawberry?
>
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Re: [MBZ] what color is that?

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Faded strawberry?

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> Faded primer?
>
> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote on 3/24/19 3:35 PM:
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Re: [MBZ] wow this is nice 1973 Mercedes-Benz 280

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Seats look new and leathery but it's hard to tell the condition of the dash
wood .  Try to get a better deal if this model appeals to you.

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Re: [MBZ] Here you go Andrew

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Not too shabby.  Is that close enough for you to do a test drive?

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Re: [MBZ] what color is that?

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Faded primer?

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote on 3/24/19 3:35 PM:

turdly pink?

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Re: [MBZ] I want to loose my lug bolts

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

next step:  Mexican rattlerench:  Put your 18" breaker bar  on.  if you 
have an extension, support the extension with a jackstand.  then take a 
2 lb LFH and beat on the end of the breaker bar until it frees or about 
10 min. per nut.


Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote on 3/24/19 2:57 PM:

There was some elixir still in the bolt holes but most had drained out some 
way.  Some around the duct tape but it was mostly stickily intact. I tried to 
loosen the recalcitrant bolts with a bar about 18” and nothing. Gotta leave 
soon so will try the rattle wrench tomorrow

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[MBZ] what color is that?

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turdly pink?

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[MBZ] UHHHH what?

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Re: [MBZ] When you assume...

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Diesel = = TORQUE  is wunna the reasons we love em.

Even the 55 hp OM621 of the 190Db in the 50s had plenty of torque to 
raise the left motor mount if not bolted down.  Most likely is lower HP 
predecessor, the OM636 could too.  An OM603 or 606 has enough torque to 
really twist or break things.


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote on 3/24/19 2:04 PM:

zackly

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Re: [MBZ] I want to loose my lug bolts

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Well I am worried about shearing the bolt ahead of the shoulder that 
actually holds the wheel on.  Then I'd be worse off.


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On 3/24/19 4:13 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

If I use a breaker bar with stuck lugs, I use at least a 25" with a 5" 
extension and support the extension on a jack stand. Then I can safely stand on the other 
end of the bar.
Mitch.

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There was some elixir still in the bolt holes but most had drained out some 
way.  Some around the duct tape but it was mostly stickily intact. I tried to 
loosen the recalcitrant bolts with a bar about 18” and nothing. Gotta leave 
soon so will try the rattle wrench tomorrow

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Re: [MBZ] I want to loose my lug bolts

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Have you tried tapping to create vibration for assisting the solvent's seeping?

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] I want to loose my lug bolts

There was some elixir still in the bolt holes but most had drained out some 
way.  Some around the duct tape but it was mostly stickily intact. I tried to 
loosen the recalcitrant bolts with a bar about 18” and nothing. Gotta leave 
soon so will try the rattle wrench tomorrow   

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 24, 2019, at 11:24 AM, Buggered Benzmail  
> wrote:
> 
> I checked it a little while ago and some had oozed out but most of it was 
> still there. When I get back from my bike ride and have some brunch I’ll hit 
> it with the air impact wrench and see if I can get the wheel off. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Who cares as long as you got some soak time? It only takes a little bit to 
>> do the job.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I filled it yesterday afternoon will check this morning and see if it 
>>> worked. I wondered if that would happen. 
>>> 
>>> --R
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 3:03 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
> Floyd wrote:
 
> I mixed up some magic elixer acetone+ATF to use to try to get
> the lug bolts off the SL600 wheel that is stuck on.  I put a big
> piece of duct tape over the bolt hole
 
 Won't the acetone just dissolve the duct tape?
 
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Re: [MBZ] I want to loose my lug bolts

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

If I use a breaker bar with stuck lugs, I use at least a 25" with a 5" 
extension and support the extension on a jack stand. Then I can safely stand on 
the other end of the bar. 
Mitch.

On March 24, 2019 at 3:57 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:
> 
> 
> There was some elixir still in the bolt holes but most had drained out some 
> way.  Some around the duct tape but it was mostly stickily intact. I tried to 
> loosen the recalcitrant bolts with a bar about 18” and nothing. Gotta leave 
> soon so will try the rattle wrench tomorrow

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Re: [MBZ] I want to loose my lug bolts

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

There was some elixir still in the bolt holes but most had drained out some 
way.  Some around the duct tape but it was mostly stickily intact. I tried to 
loosen the recalcitrant bolts with a bar about 18” and nothing. Gotta leave 
soon so will try the rattle wrench tomorrow   

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 24, 2019, at 11:24 AM, Buggered Benzmail  
> wrote:
> 
> I checked it a little while ago and some had oozed out but most of it was 
> still there. When I get back from my bike ride and have some brunch I’ll hit 
> it with the air impact wrench and see if I can get the wheel off. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Who cares as long as you got some soak time? It only takes a little bit to 
>> do the job.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I filled it yesterday afternoon will check this morning and see if it 
>>> worked. I wondered if that would happen. 
>>> 
>>> --R
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 3:03 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
> Floyd wrote:
 
> I mixed up some magic elixer acetone+ATF to use to try to get
> the lug bolts off the SL600 wheel that is stuck on.  I put a big
> piece of duct tape over the bolt hole
 
 Won't the acetone just dissolve the duct tape?
 
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Re: [MBZ] I need to figure out this copart deal

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The new tires I got for the SL600 are 225/55ZR16 which is the factory size.
BFGoodrich - g-Force COMP-2 A/S  The A/S part stands for All Season, 
which I probably should not have got as they look like off-road tires


--FT

On 3/24/19 10:44 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

60 is a lot nicer than 70 or 75. The sidewall on a 285 tire is still plenty
tall at 50 profile.

The width of the wheel is really the limiting factor for the contact patch.
I was going to have them widen my old 14" bundts to 8.5 or 9. Could run 50
series 285 or whatever. Then put thicker swaybars on and have some real
w123 performance.

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 7:09 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


On March 24, 2019 at 9:50 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Tire pressures are critical on these low profile tires. They wear far

faster than regular rubber if not inflated properly - ask me about the set
the wife went through in 18 months - mainly my fault because I didn’t have
the pressure right - I was using the original tire stock pressure and not
the pressure used on the wheels’ application (2003 R230).  Duh! A very
expensive lesson.

Even with 55s, I start with sidewall pressure and work down from there if
I don't like the NVH.
It's not overinflated if it's the pressure the manufacturer specifies for
maximizing speed and load ratings. The Cruze is the quietest and softest
riding car in its class, and comes with 16" tires except for the 18" on the
Premier models and some Hatchbacks. I've been running 55 front 50 rear this
winter, which is about 58/52 warm at freeway speeds. Might be a bit high,
been thinking of trying 50/40 once the potholes are patched up next month.

Anyway, how about that Tacko?
Can he beat Duke?

Mitch.

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On March 24, 2019 at 9:50 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Tire pressures are critical on these low profile tires. They wear far

faster than regular rubber if not inflated properly - ask me about the set
the wife went through in 18 months - mainly my fault because I didn’t have
the pressure right - I was using the original tire stock pressure and not
the pressure used on the wheels’ application (2003 R230).  Duh! A very
expensive lesson.

Even with 55s, I start with sidewall pressure and work down from there if
I don't like the NVH.
It's not overinflated if it's the pressure the manufacturer specifies for
maximizing speed and load ratings. The Cruze is the quietest and softest
riding car in its class, and comes with 16" tires except for the 18" on the
Premier models and some Hatchbacks. I've been running 55 front 50 rear this
winter, which is about 58/52 warm at freeway speeds. Might be a bit high,
been thinking of trying 50/40 once the potholes are patched up next month.

Anyway, how about that Tacko?
Can he beat Duke?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] When you assume...

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

zackly

--FT

On 3/24/19 2:48 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

TORQUE The left side will lift off the frame without the bolt.

Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote on 3/24/19 10:05 AM:
I don't get it, the bolts don't set the height, how could missing the 
bolt

result in a drastically off engine height?  Your engine shifted enough
that the mount fell off its perch?

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Re: [MBZ] When you assume...

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

TORQUE   The left side will lift off the frame without the bolt.

Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote on 3/24/19 10:05 AM:

I don't get it, the bolts don't set the height, how could missing the bolt
result in a drastically off engine height?  Your engine shifted enough
that the mount fell off its perch?

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Re: [MBZ] When you assume...

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

The engine was free to twist, so one side rotated up and cut the radiator hose. 
 The mount was not a mount, just acting as a rubber pad.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On March 24, 2019 11:05:24 AM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I don't get it, the bolts don't set the height, how could missing the
>bolt
>result in a drastically off engine height?  Your engine shifted enough
>that the mount fell off its perch?
>
>-- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT the car has a number of outstanding maintenance needs

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Almost - the 51% rule for experimentals applies to the plane having been
built by amateurs, not necessarily by you. You do have to have done
documented work yourself, and pass an oral/hands-on test given by the
airworthiness inspector to get a "repairman's certificate" which allows you
to perform the inspections on it yourself, limited to that one aircraft.
Anyone can perform maintenance on an experimental and sign it off in the
log book. SO, the Tailwind W10 that I'm building was bought as a 90% done,
with 90% left to finish project. I will be able to test for a repairman's
certificate for it when it's signed off as airworthy by the FAA.

Certificated aircraft have a limited list of maintenance items that the
owner/pilot can perform (tires, sparkplugs, oil changes, and interior
items), all else must be signed off by an A, except inspections, which
require an A with IA (inspection authority). However, the A only has to
supervise the work, and testify that it was done correctly - anyone "under
their supervision" can actually do the work. I've done 95% of the work on
the Cessna, and have it signed off by one of the four A on our strip -
they have seen and watched my work enough to trust me.

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 11:35 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It's my understanding that you can't do much with a certified aircraft
> (like a C172) without an A license, but if you're the documented 50%
> builder of an experimental you can at least do your own maintenance. (but I
> think you still have to pay a licensed tech for your annuals)
> That 50% bit takes some of the fun out of buying somebody else's project
> on the cheap and finishing it.
> Mitch.
>
>
> > On March 24, 2019 at 12:09 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > And, in aviation, you can't overhaul them yourself, unless I totally
> misunderstand the situation.
> > Not like rebuilding your ACC control panel or cruise control.
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Re: [MBZ] When you assume...

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Yes the engine torque was rotating the engine off the lower mounting bracket. 
The rubber mount was still attached at top to the engine but not at the bottom  
 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 24, 2019, at 12:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps that side lifted due to torque?
> 
> On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 10:06 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I don't get it, the bolts don't set the height, how could missing the bolt
>> result in a drastically off engine height?  Your engine shifted enough
>> that the mount fell off its perch?
>> 
>> -- Jim
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
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Re: [MBZ] OT the car has a number of outstanding maintenance needs

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

It's my understanding that you can't do much with a certified aircraft (like a 
C172) without an A license, but if you're the documented 50% builder of an 
experimental you can at least do your own maintenance. (but I think you still 
have to pay a licensed tech for your annuals)
That 50% bit takes some of the fun out of buying somebody else's project on the 
cheap and finishing it. 
Mitch. 


> On March 24, 2019 at 12:09 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> And, in aviation, you can't overhaul them yourself, unless I totally 
> misunderstand the situation.
> Not like rebuilding your ACC control panel or cruise control.

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Re: [MBZ] When you assume...

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Perhaps that side lifted due to torque?

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 10:06 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I don't get it, the bolts don't set the height, how could missing the bolt
> result in a drastically off engine height?  Your engine shifted enough
> that the mount fell off its perch?
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT the car has a number of outstanding maintenance needs

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Probably not, unless you have an A license (and I’m not talking about the 
grocery store.)

-D

> On Mar 24, 2019, at 12:09 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> For instance, I have an altimeter and a turn indicator that need to be
>> overhauled - at ~$250 each … and this is cheap by aviation standards. They
>> are over $1000 each new .
> 
> And, in aviation, you can't overhaul them yourself, unless I totally 
> misunderstand the situation.
> Not like rebuilding your ACC control panel or cruise control.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] crockauto

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I have had that happen too, from FCPeuro  I usually double check part numbers 
and cross reference from a different site, like Autohaus AZ or the EPC.


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] crockauto


I never finished the return online thing, because I didn't agree to
their terms.   I went back and did it over and this time checked the box
that you could see the part was installed, and you can see it was.   By
doing that their online return thing said someone will call me.  So I
hope to hear from them Monday.   The trick is to say you started  to
install it and that you  can tell the install had been attempted.

Either way, it is very frustrating to tear down the vehicle and not be
able to install the new part while the vehicle is leaking fluids all
over the driveway, only to have to put it back as it was; then wait a
week for the right thing to show up.   It will all have to be done over
again.

My order clearly says  LEFT.   Their catalog clearly said LEFT.   The
part number is what was ordered.   But as of yesterday afternoon, their
catalog clearly says RIGHT by the part number they shipped.   SO I guess
someone else already showed them they screwed up.


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Re: [MBZ] OT the car has a number of outstanding maintenance needs

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> For instance, I have an altimeter and a turn indicator that need to be
> overhauled - at ~$250 each … and this is cheap by aviation standards. They
> are over $1000 each new .

And, in aviation, you can't overhaul them yourself, unless I totally 
misunderstand the situation.
Not like rebuilding your ACC control panel or cruise control.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT the car has a number of outstanding maintenance needs

[OK Don via Mercedes]

For instance, I have an altimeter and a turn indicator that need to be
overhauled - at ~$250 each … and this is cheap by aviation standards. They
are over $1000 each new .

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 10:45 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Take all the letters in the word "Airplane" and try to spell "Cheap" with
> them you can't.
>
> Aviation: Not for the faint of wallet pretty much fits. Wait until he
> gets the bill for two engine hot section overhauls.
>
> <
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon
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> On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 8:31 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Any more I am starting to think that messing with cars is sort of silly.
> > One could spend the same time on an airplane and have something
> worthwhile
> > at the end.
> >
> > My cousin bought a citation (speaking of expensive limousines for hire).
> He
> > isnt jet qualified but said it is panning out great because he leases it
> > out all the time on short term stints. His buddy is retired air force,
> and
> > doesnt mind earning some money crewing it for him.
> >
> > Never really thought of getting into plane ownership like that. A toy
> that
> > pays for itself.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 22, 2019, 6:38 AM Dan--- via Mercedes  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > If there was ever a car brand that is a money pit right out of the
> gate,
> > > it’s a Rolls. As beautiful as they can be, they’re so stupid expensive
> to
> > > maintain it’s frightening.
> > >
> > > I used to work next door to the Rolls “dealership” in Indianapolis. We
> > > would hang out over there at lunch time and chat up the resident
> > mechanic.
> > > Crazy stuff, for sure.
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > > > On Mar 22, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Oh yeah, a roller with outstanding maintenance needs.  But it does
> look
> > > half nice.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] I want to loose my lug bolts

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I checked it a little while ago and some had oozed out but most of it was still 
there. When I get back from my bike ride and have some brunch I’ll hit it with 
the air impact wrench and see if I can get the wheel off. 

--FT
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> On Mar 24, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Who cares as long as you got some soak time? It only takes a little bit to do 
> the job.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I filled it yesterday afternoon will check this morning and see if it 
>> worked. I wondered if that would happen. 
>> 
>> --R
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>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 3:03 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
 Floyd wrote:
>>> 
 I mixed up some magic elixer acetone+ATF to use to try to get
 the lug bolts off the SL600 wheel that is stuck on.  I put a big
 piece of duct tape over the bolt hole
>>> 
>>> Won't the acetone just dissolve the duct tape?
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Re: [MBZ] When you assume...

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I don't get it, the bolts don't set the height, how could missing the bolt
result in a drastically off engine height?  Your engine shifted enough
that the mount fell off its perch?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Calrod heater element

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Diameter of electrical carrier inside the metal tube is probably
> important?  Diameter of metal tube is probably important?  Length of
> metal tube is probably important?  What else will Watlow / Calrod need
> to know?

My guess is all you really need is the overall physical dimensions of the
installation (coil shape/size), voltage/wattage, and that it's for a coffee 
maker?

This is a low-tech installation, in all likelihood.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] I need to figure out this copart deal

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

60 is a lot nicer than 70 or 75. The sidewall on a 285 tire is still plenty
tall at 50 profile.

The width of the wheel is really the limiting factor for the contact patch.
I was going to have them widen my old 14" bundts to 8.5 or 9. Could run 50
series 285 or whatever. Then put thicker swaybars on and have some real
w123 performance.

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 7:09 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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>
> > On March 24, 2019 at 9:50 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Tire pressures are critical on these low profile tires. They wear far
> faster than regular rubber if not inflated properly - ask me about the set
> the wife went through in 18 months - mainly my fault because I didn’t have
> the pressure right - I was using the original tire stock pressure and not
> the pressure used on the wheels’ application (2003 R230).  Duh! A very
> expensive lesson.
>
> Even with 55s, I start with sidewall pressure and work down from there if
> I don't like the NVH.
> It's not overinflated if it's the pressure the manufacturer specifies for
> maximizing speed and load ratings. The Cruze is the quietest and softest
> riding car in its class, and comes with 16" tires except for the 18" on the
> Premier models and some Hatchbacks. I've been running 55 front 50 rear this
> winter, which is about 58/52 warm at freeway speeds. Might be a bit high,
> been thinking of trying 50/40 once the potholes are patched up next month.
>
> Anyway, how about that Tacko?
> Can he beat Duke?
>
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>
> > On March 24, 2019 at 9:50 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Tire pressures are critical on these low profile tires. They wear far
> faster than regular rubber if not inflated properly - ask me about the set
> the wife went through in 18 months - mainly my fault because I didn’t have
> the pressure right - I was using the original tire stock pressure and not
> the pressure used on the wheels’ application (2003 R230).  Duh! A very
> expensive lesson.
>
> Even with 55s, I start with sidewall pressure and work down from there if
> I don't like the NVH.
> It's not overinflated if it's the pressure the manufacturer specifies for
> maximizing speed and load ratings. The Cruze is the quietest and softest
> riding car in its class, and comes with 16" tires except for the 18" on the
> Premier models and some Hatchbacks. I've been running 55 front 50 rear this
> winter, which is about 58/52 warm at freeway speeds. Might be a bit high,
> been thinking of trying 50/40 once the potholes are patched up next month.
>
> Anyway, how about that Tacko?
> Can he beat Duke?
>
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Re: [MBZ] I need to figure out this copart deal

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On March 24, 2019 at 9:50 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Tire pressures are critical on these low profile tires. They wear far faster 
> than regular rubber if not inflated properly - ask me about the set the wife 
> went through in 18 months - mainly my fault because I didn’t have the 
> pressure right - I was using the original tire stock pressure and not the 
> pressure used on the wheels’ application (2003 R230).  Duh! A very expensive 
> lesson.

Even with 55s, I start with sidewall pressure and work down from there if I 
don't like the NVH. 
It's not overinflated if it's the pressure the manufacturer specifies for 
maximizing speed and load ratings. The Cruze is the quietest and softest riding 
car in its class, and comes with 16" tires except for the 18" on the Premier 
models and some Hatchbacks. I've been running 55 front 50 rear this winter, 
which is about 58/52 warm at freeway speeds. Might be a bit high, been thinking 
of trying 50/40 once the potholes are patched up next month. 

Anyway, how about that Tacko?
Can he beat Duke?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] I need to figure out this copart deal

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I like the 70 tires, and 65s seem to be ok.   Rubber band tars are for 
idiots with more money than brain.  I watched some bozo blow 2 ties and 
bend 2 rims hitting a curb because he was diddling on his cell 
phone.  You would not believe how funny it was.  I saw him drifting 
into the curb and then Pow!   Pow!!   You could see the air escaping 
from the tires.  It was almost like 2 superman cartoon bubbles with 
audible Pow! in place of written Pow!


Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 3/24/19 8:13 AM:

So the fronts are 0.5" wider and the rears are 1.5" wider?
You guys in Los Angeles and Florida can keep the 35% and 40% tall tires.
Buddy of mine put 18s or bigger on his Jetta, within a few months dented all 4 
rims.
Problem made worse by the fact that he won't monitor his tire pressures.
Mitch.





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Re: [MBZ] I need to figure out this copart deal

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Tire pressures are critical on these low profile tires. They wear far faster 
than regular rubber if not inflated properly - ask me about the set the wife 
went through in 18 months - mainly my fault because I didn’t have the pressure 
right - I was using the original tire stock pressure and not the pressure used 
on the wheels’ application (2003 R230).  Duh! A very expensive lesson.

I will say that the R129, when equipped with these tires and wheels, drives 
like it’s on rails. A totally different driving experience compared to the 
stock wheels and tires.

-D



> On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:13 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So the fronts are 0.5" wider and the rears are 1.5" wider?
> You guys in Los Angeles and Florida can keep the 35% and 40% tall tires. 
> Buddy of mine put 18s or bigger on his Jetta, within a few months dented all 
> 4 rims. 
> Problem made worse by the fact that he won't monitor his tire pressures. 
> Mitch. 
> 
>> On March 24, 2019 at 9:07 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> R129 Front 16" stock wheel ET/34 Tires= 245/50/16
>> R230 8.5  Launch wheel ET/35 Tires= 255/40/18
>> 
>> R129 Rear 16" stock wheel ET/34 Tires= 245/50/16
>> R230 9.5 Launch wheel ET/40 Tires= 285/35/18
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Re: [MBZ] crockauto

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I never finished the return online thing, because I didn't agree to 
their terms.   I went back and did it over and this time checked the box 
that you could see the part was installed, and you can see it was.   By 
doing that their online return thing said someone will call me.  So I 
hope to hear from them Monday.   The trick is to say you started  to 
install it and that you  can tell the install had been attempted.


Either way, it is very frustrating to tear down the vehicle and not be 
able to install the new part while the vehicle is leaking fluids all 
over the driveway, only to have to put it back as it was; then wait a 
week for the right thing to show up.   It will all have to be done over 
again.


My order clearly says  LEFT.   Their catalog clearly said LEFT.   The 
part number is what was ordered.   But as of yesterday afternoon, their 
catalog clearly says RIGHT by the part number they shipped.   SO I guess 
someone else already showed them they screwed up.


Craig via Mercedes wrote on 3/23/19 10:42 PM:

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 20:37:27 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:


I got a warm body a few years ago when I got something that was clearly
mislabeled. I called 608-661-1376

I called and talked with a person, too, but I don't recall what number I
called.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I need to figure out this copart deal

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

So the fronts are 0.5" wider and the rears are 1.5" wider?
You guys in Los Angeles and Florida can keep the 35% and 40% tall tires. 
Buddy of mine put 18s or bigger on his Jetta, within a few months dented all 4 
rims. 
Problem made worse by the fact that he won't monitor his tire pressures. 
Mitch. 

> On March 24, 2019 at 9:07 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> R129 Front 16" stock wheel ET/34 Tires= 245/50/16
> R230 8.5  Launch wheel ET/35 Tires= 255/40/18
> 
> R129 Rear 16" stock wheel ET/34 Tires= 245/50/16
> R230 9.5 Launch wheel ET/40 Tires= 285/35/18

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Re: [MBZ] I need to figure out this copart deal

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

R129 Front 16" stock wheel ET/34 Tires= 245/50/16
R230 8.5  Launch wheel ET/35 Tires= 255/40/18

R129 Rear 16" stock wheel ET/34 Tires= 245/50/16
R230 9.5 Launch wheel ET/40 Tires= 285/35/18

-D



> On Mar 23, 2019, at 11:19 PM, Karl W via Mercedes  
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> 
> Are they wider than the 16x8?
> 
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 12:47 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> 
>> Dude, you WANT those wheels for your SL600. It will make it like a totally
>> different car, believe me. I have a set on my 97 SL500, and it’s a totally
>> different car with them.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2019, at 3:42 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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>>> https://www.copart.com/lot/30005399
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I need to figure out this copart deal

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Are they wider than the 16x8?

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 12:47 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Dude, you WANT those wheels for your SL600. It will make it like a totally
> different car, believe me. I have a set on my 97 SL500, and it’s a totally
> different car with them.
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Mar 23, 2019, at 3:42 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] I want to loose my lug bolts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Who cares as long as you got some soak time? It only takes a little bit to do 
the job.

-D


> On Mar 24, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> I filled it yesterday afternoon will check this morning and see if it worked. 
> I wondered if that would happen. 
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
> 
> On Mar 24, 2019, at 3:03 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>>> Floyd wrote:
>> 
>>> I mixed up some magic elixer acetone+ATF to use to try to get
>>> the lug bolts off the SL600 wheel that is stuck on.  I put a big
>>> piece of duct tape over the bolt hole
>> 
>> Won't the acetone just dissolve the duct tape?
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Re: [MBZ] I want to loose my lug bolts

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I filled it yesterday afternoon will check this morning and see if it worked. I 
wondered if that would happen. 

--R
Sent from iPhone

On Mar 24, 2019, at 3:03 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

>> Floyd wrote:
> 
>> I mixed up some magic elixer acetone+ATF to use to try to get
>> the lug bolts off the SL600 wheel that is stuck on.  I put a big
>> piece of duct tape over the bolt hole
> 
> Won't the acetone just dissolve the duct tape?
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Re: [MBZ] I want to loose my lug bolts

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Floyd wrote:

> I mixed up some magic elixer acetone+ATF to use to try to get
> the lug bolts off the SL600 wheel that is stuck on.  I put a big
> piece of duct tape over the bolt hole

Won't the acetone just dissolve the duct tape?

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