Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[Mitch Haley]

JabbaHursty wrote:
> 
> ok, it will be hard to believe, but i am this shallow --  Kleb has a
> .44 magnum, so i went out and got a .454 casull so i can have the
> biggest handgun in the kingdom
> 
> pretty sick, huh?

Wimps. Try a 45-70 government or 445 supermag. ;-)
Actually, I've been getting ready to order some extra barrels and
might get a 500 S&W, but probably not.

[MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[JabbaHursty]

ok, it will be hard to believe, but i am this shallow --  Kleb has a 
.44 magnum, so i went out and got a .454 casull so i can have the 
biggest handgun in the kingdom


pretty sick, huh?

will kleb now have to respond with 50 calibre of smith & wesson? 

Re: [MBZ] Something practical to combat high fuel prices

[LT Don]

It this price escalation continues, then the demand for used veggie oil will 
make the rush for Tickle Me Elmos a few years ago (I had to open the doors 
at a retailer the first day they went on sale, and at 6'4" [my 
eleven-years-younger-than-me wife says I might be 6'3" now because "things" 
shrink as one gets older] & 200 lbs., I almost got trampled by 
grandmothers!) pale by comparison. 

Luther -- send filtering plans
Kleb -- send filter
OKDon -- send sliderule

[MBZ] gas prices -- when to buy gas

[LT Don]

I know I am going to get flamed for this, but that has never stopped me 
before.

Heard something earlier on the week on KGGO radio (Des Moines), the morning 
hosts talking about gas prices and what we can do.

The best time to buy gas: Wednesday mornings, because if they have adjusted 
their prices it is to lure weekend traveler business. 

The worst time to buy gas: When anyone named Bush is in the White House.
<>

[MBZ] WAS RE: Something practical to combat high fuel prices A NEW TWIST

[R A Bennell]

Totally different. Don't plan to bring down an oil company or two.

Just wonder if anyone has done or seen a successful transplant?

IE my old Chevy pickup is thirsty and I can't help wondering if a 300D motor
would move it around adequately.
It is currently a 292 inline 6. Probably has more HP but maybe not much more
torque than the MB.

Is it worth thinking about or just a silly idea?

Randy in Winnipeg

Re: [MBZ] 240D genset

[dave walton]

Parts Place, Inc.
2300 N Opdyke Rd
Auburn Hills, MI 48326
248-373-2300

Has a catalog specific to Volkswagen Diesels. They offer gensets from 13kw - 
35kw based on Gas, LPG, NG, and Diesel from $6900 - $9000. I don't see a 
website for them, and have never ordered from them. Somehow I got on their 
mailing list.
The most cost effective diesel gensets I've seen are 12kw units for sale on 
ebay that use a single cylinder 20hp Changfa (china) diesel with an ST gen 
head. A guy in Oregon is selling the parts for ~$1100 and someone in Akron 
Ohio is selling a more complete kit for $1400. They come and go on ebay as 
they get units in stock, then sell out. Lister style diesels imported from 
India are also worth looking at (http://www.utterpower.com/). Mike Montieth 
in North Caroline is importing a 20hp single cylinder Lister that weighs in 
at around 2000lbs for $2000. You can google him to find out more.

Hope this helps

-Dave Walton


On 8/26/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone on this list ever used an automotive diesel
> engine to run a genset? Or heard of anyone doing so?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
> -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" ( 
> http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> -1976 240D, ManyK miles, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs 
> Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS 
> AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK.
> -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D genset

[DANTERR9]

I have seen mercedes diesels on generators, should work fine.  You just need 
to set it up right, maybe buy a huge radiator from a ford and put a bigger fan 
on to keep the thing cool since it will be running in place. -Dan

In a message dated 8/26/2005 6:05:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Has anyone on this list ever used an automotive diesel
engine to run a genset? Or heard of anyone doing so?

Thanks,

[MBZ] 240D genset

[Christopher McCann]

Has anyone on this list ever used an automotive diesel
engine to run a genset? Or heard of anyone doing so?

Thanks,



Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A 
PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK.
-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"

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Re: [MBZ] A/C systems

[72benz250]

Hey Gary,

How much is it?

-- Original message -- 
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general contractor and have been using their product and have been so impressed 
that I am selling it also.

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Re: [MBZ] Something practical to combat high fuel prices

[Curt Raymond]

Because it won't help at all...

The real way to lower gas prices is to lower demand. Legislate the H1 out of 
existance, get a government with some balls to institute a fuel economy policy 
worth having rather than the BS we've got now. Make incentives to use public 
transportation that are as great as the incentives not to.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:43:29 -0400
From: andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Something practical to combat high fuel prices
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I can feel the love...

I am not a mindless Mobil-hater because of Movbil 1.  Au contraire, I
sort of admire their business acumen in developing these synthetic
products.  I even occasionally gas up at a Mobil station, because I
like the logo and color scheme and their price isn't as high as some
of the other nearby service stations.

But in all seriousness, how can it possibly hurt to simply refrain
from doing business with EXX-MB?



-
 Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page 

Re: [MBZ] Something practical to combat high fuel prices

[Gerald R. Flintrop]

It can't hurt to refrain, but it won't do anything to help, either. 

The reason I won't buy diesel from them is that it makes my cars smokier,
noisier, and it's much lower Cetane than the ECD-1, from Arco.

Jerry   Ö¿Ö
    ~


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 1:43 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Something practical to combat high fuel prices

I can feel the love...

I am not a mindless Mobil-hater because of Movbil 1.  Au contraire, I
sort of admire their business acumen in developing these synthetic
products.  I even occasionally gas up at a Mobil station, because I
like the logo and color scheme and their price isn't as high as some
of the other nearby service stations.

But in all seriousness, how can it possibly hurt to simply refrain
from doing business with EXX-MB?

Re: [MBZ] gas/Mobil/Heretic

[Bucks2]

Now THAT'S funny. 

Ken


In a message dated 8/26/2005 1:54:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is just a clever attempt by Andrew (heretic !, nonbeliever !) to get
us all to weaken Mobil Oil, the purveyor of Mobil 1. ;-)

Dan Elliott
82 300D-T 84kmi

Re: [MBZ] A/C systems

[Enigma2be2]

Go to usrefrigerationtech.com and type in efficiency for the password. I am a 
general contractor and have been using their product and have been so 
impressed that I am selling it also.

Gary

Re: [MBZ] A/C treatment

[Enigma2be2]

Go to usrefrigerationtech.com and type efficiency for the password. Yes I do 
sell it. I am a general contractor and came across these guys through a 
friend. I have been using the product and got hooked up with them to sell it 
also.

Gary

Re: [MBZ] Something practical to combat high fuel prices

[andrew strasfogel]

I can feel the love...

I am not a mindless Mobil-hater because of Movbil 1.  Au contraire, I
sort of admire their business acumen in developing these synthetic
products.  I even occasionally gas up at a Mobil station, because I
like the logo and color scheme and their price isn't as high as some
of the other nearby service stations.

But in all seriousness, how can it possibly hurt to simply refrain
from doing business with EXX-MB?

On 8/26/05, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Another reason this will not work is that the distillate feedstocks have
> been standardized and companies often buy products from competitors if the
> cost of transportation is lower. The only thing that varies from
> brand-to-brand is the additive package. That is why most fuel delivery
> trucks are un-branded. It does not look good for a BP truck to deliver fuel
> to an Exxon station - and it happens all the time. Most notably in rural
> areas where there may only be one Terminal within 500 miles or more.
> 
> -Dave Walton
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/26/05, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > I received this from a friend in NY today (slightly edited to reduce the
> length)
> > 
> > WAR ON GAS/DIESEL PRICES
> > 
> > Do you have a spark of rebellion in you? Would you like to start a
> > modern day Boston Tea Party?
> > 
> > THEN JOIN the RESISTANCE
> > 
> > We are ALREADY close to $3.00 a gallon and it might go higher!!
> > 
> > Want gasoline or diesel prices to come down? We need to take some
> > intelligent, united action.
> > 
> > Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: 
> > 
> > This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day"
> > campaign that was going around last April or May!
> > 
> > The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't
> > continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. 
> > 
> > It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.
> > 
> > BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
> > really work. Please read it and join with us!   By now you're probably 
> > thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Now that the
> > oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that
> > the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need to take
> > aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market
> > place not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each
> > day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to
> > see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook 
> > by not purchasing their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting
> > ourselves.
> > 
> > HOW?
> > 
> > Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we
> > CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a 
> > price war.
> > 
> > Here's the idea:
> > 
> > For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the TWO
> > BIGGEST COMPANIES (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are
> > not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If 
> > they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow
> > suit.
> > 
> > But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon
> > and Mobil gas buyers.  If each of us sends it to at least ten more (30 
> > x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 do the same, it won't take long before
> > millions of drivers have been contacted!
> > 
> > Acting together we can make a difference.  If this makes sense to you,
> > please pass this message on. 
> > 
> > PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND
> > KEEP THEM DOWN.
> > 
> > THIS CAN REALLY WORK
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Brakes

[LT Don]

I have the same situation, except intermittant. Good boost first time on the 
brakes (i.e., in stop & go traffic) then suddenly hard pedal and less 
stopping power.

Shall follow that link's suggestions after work and see what I find.


On 8/26/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Alan Duff wrote:
> > Just bought a 83 300D. The brake pedal is rock hard and only moves down 
> a
> > quarter inch or so and the car is slow to stop. The brakes don't seem to
> > drag. Don't recall having this type of problem before. My thoughts are
> > 1. Stuck piston in a brake caliper
> > 2. Stuck master cylinder.
> > Any ideas?
> 
> The vacuum brake booster is NOT working. Usually the problem isn't the
> booster but the vacuum supply to the booster - often a leak,
> occasionally the vacuum pump.
> 
> First test. With engine off, and foot pressing on the brake pedal, start
> the engine. The pedal should drop about 1/2" and feel "softer" as vacuum
> builds over a few seconds. If it doesn't the the booster isn't working.
> If the engine stops when you turn off the key, there is at least SOME
> vacuum (as the shutoff valve is vacuum operated) and I'd start to
> investigate the line from the vacuum pump to the brake booster.
> 
> It gets more complicated from there depending on what you find.
> 
> Check this link:
> http://skinnerbox.steaky.org/Service/W123/Index/Groups/43BrakeBooster.htm
> 
> Marshall
> --
> Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions)
> "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0
> 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi
> Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection
> http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
> 
> 
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> 



-- 
1977 240D
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.

Re: [MBZ] going Veggie (and debbies 190D)

[LT Don]

Ouch! That is an expensive rebuild. 

As luck would have it, I saw (and was passed by) a black 300E (W124) just a 
few minutes ago, on a rural Iowa road. Texas plates, youngish female driver 
but the car windows were too tinted to really see her. 

Also, the brake warning light came on at the very same stop sign as it did 
last Saturday. Perhaps the Benz Gods are telling me that I am braking a bit 
too hard at that particular stop sign? The "run" up to it is about five 
miles of arrow straight road. 

On 8/26/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> The bottom end of a Mercedes gasser can last almost as long as a diesel,
> but the top end (valve guides, valves, etc.) seldom last more than
> 200-250kmi before the top end should be rebuilt - and that can be
> expensive ($2.5-3k) to VERY expensive (a 116/117 engine can get you up
> to $5-6k or more).
> 
> Marshall
> --
> Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions)
> "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0
> 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi
> Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection
> http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
> 
> 
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-- 
1977 240D
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.

Re: [MBZ] 123 Brakes

[Marshall Booth]

Alan Duff wrote:
Just bought a 83 300D. The brake pedal is rock hard and only moves down a 
quarter inch or so and the car is slow to stop. The brakes don't seem to 
drag. Don't recall having this type of problem before. My thoughts are

1. Stuck piston in a brake caliper
2. Stuck master cylinder.
Any ideas?


The vacuum brake booster is NOT working. Usually the problem isn't the 
booster but the vacuum supply to the booster - often a leak, 
occasionally the vacuum pump.


First test. With engine off, and foot pressing on the brake pedal, start 
the engine. The pedal should drop about 1/2" and feel "softer" as vacuum 
builds over a few seconds. If it doesn't the the booster isn't working. 
If the engine stops when you turn off the key, there is at least SOME 
vacuum (as the shutoff valve is vacuum operated) and I'd start to 
investigate the line from the vacuum pump to the brake booster.


It gets more complicated from there depending on what you find.

Check this link: 
http://skinnerbox.steaky.org/Service/W123/Index/Groups/43BrakeBooster.htm


Marshall
--
  Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions)
  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

  Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection
http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm

[MBZ] mobile-1 1800 mile test

[72benz250]

FYI I have never used mobile-1. Just found it looking around.

Theses guys put in 5 qt of mobile one and tested every 1000 miles. They ran for 
12000 miles with the same filter and 18000 miles total on the same oil topping 
off as needed.

Pretty interesting experiment.

Did the same thing w/ AMSOIL. Looks like that did not fair as well.

http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/oil-life.html

Re: [MBZ] Something practical to combat high fuel prices

[dave walton]

Another reason this will not work is that the distillate feedstocks have 
been standardized and companies often buy products from competitors if the 
cost of transportation is lower. The only thing that varies from 
brand-to-brand is the additive package. That is why most fuel delivery 
trucks are un-branded. It does not look good for a BP truck to deliver fuel 
to an Exxon station - and it happens all the time. Most notably in rural 
areas where there may only be one Terminal within 500 miles or more.

-Dave Walton


On 8/26/05, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I received this from a friend in NY today (slightly edited to reduce the 
> length)
> 
> WAR ON GAS/DIESEL PRICES
> 
> Do you have a spark of rebellion in you? Would you like to start a
> modern day Boston Tea Party?
> 
> THEN JOIN the RESISTANCE
> 
> We are ALREADY close to $3.00 a gallon and it might go higher!!
> 
> Want gasoline or diesel prices to come down? We need to take some
> intelligent, united action.
> 
> Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea:
> 
> This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day"
> campaign that was going around last April or May!
> 
> The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't
> continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas.
> 
> It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.
> 
> BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
> really work. Please read it and join with us! By now you're probably
> thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Now that the
> oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that
> the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need to take
> aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market
> place not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each
> day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to
> see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook
> by not purchasing their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting
> ourselves.
> 
> HOW?
> 
> Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we
> CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a
> price war.
> 
> Here's the idea:
> 
> For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the TWO
> BIGGEST COMPANIES (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are
> not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If
> they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow
> suit.
> 
> But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon
> and Mobil gas buyers. If each of us sends it to at least ten more (30
> x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 do the same, it won't take long before
> millions of drivers have been contacted!
> 
> Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you,
> please pass this message on.
> 
> PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND
> KEEP THEM DOWN.
> 
> THIS CAN REALLY WORK
> 
> ___
> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
>

Re: [MBZ] Something practical to combat high fuel prices

[DElliott%SWS]

This is just a clever attempt by Andrew (heretic !, nonbeliever !) to get
us all to weaken Mobil Oil, the purveyor of Mobil 1. ;-)

Dan Elliott
82 300D-T 84kmi


>WAR ON GAS/DIESEL PRICES

>Do you have a spark of rebellion in you? Would you like to start a
>modern day Boston Tea Party?

>THEN JOIN the RESISTANCE

>We are ALREADY close to $3.00 a gallon and it might go higher!!

>Want gasoline or diesel prices to come down? We need to take some
>intelligent, united action.

Drivel, drivel, drivel...



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Re: [MBZ] Something practical to combat high fuel prices

[Christopher McCann]

exatly - average person would never hold out. ONly a
few and they would make no difference.

Now, if the teamsters parked all their trucks in DC
and all over the beltway, then something might happen.
Works in France all the time for farmers (tractors in
Paris).

Christopher


--- "Kevin J. Slater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes,
> 
> cartels (which is basically what's being suggested,
> a cartel of buyers of
> gasoline) work just great on the open market, just
> ask any decent
> economics professor.
> 
> So let's think this through a bit. We're supposed to
> stop buying gas from
> Exxon and Mobil until the prices hit $1.30. Do the
> people that suggest
> such plans really think that people are going to
> wait around for the price
> to drop to the target? If the price that Exxon and
> Mobil charge drops $.10
> below what the surrounding vendors are charging, do
> they REALLY believe
> that everyone won't switch over in droves?! What
> about if it was $.50
> cheaper?! How many would hold out at that price?
> Think about it.
> 
> ...Kevin
> 
> andrew strasfogel said:
> > I received this from a friend in NY today
> (slightly edited to reduce the
> > length)
> >
> > WAR ON GAS/DIESEL PRICES
> >
> > Do you have a spark of rebellion in you? Would you
> like to start a
> > modern day Boston Tea Party?
> >
> > THEN JOIN the RESISTANCE
> >
> > We are ALREADY close to $3.00 a gallon and it
> might go higher!!
> >
> > Want gasoline or diesel prices to come down? We
> need to take some
> > intelligent, united action.
> >
> > Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea:
> >
> > This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas
> on a certain day"
> > campaign that was going around last April or May!
> >
> > The oil companies just laughed at that because
> they knew we wouldn't
> > continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy
> gas.
> >
> > It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was
> a problem for them.
> >
> > BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up
> with a plan that can
> > really work. Please read it and join with us!   By
> now you're probably
> > thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super
> cheap. Now that the
> > oil companies and the OPEC nations have
> conditioned us to think that
> > the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50-
> $1.75, we need to take
> > aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS
> control the market
> > place not sellers. With the price of gasoline
> going up more each
> > day, we consumers need to take action. The only
> way we are going to
> > see the price of gas come down is if we hit
> someone in the pocketbook
> > by not purchasing their gas! And we can do that
> WITHOUT hurting
> > ourselves.
> >
> > HOW?
> >
> > Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop
> buying gas. But we
> > CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act
> together to force a
> > price war.
> >
> > Here's the idea:
> >
> > For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY
> gasoline from the TWO
> > BIGGEST COMPANIES (which now are one), EXXON and
> MOBIL. If they are
> > not selling any gas, they will be inclined to
> reduce their prices. If
> > they reduce their prices, the other companies will
> have to follow
> > suit.
> >
> > But to have an impact, we need to reach literally
> millions of Exxon
> > and Mobil gas buyers.  If each of us sends it to
> at least ten more (30
> > x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 do the same, it
> won't take long before
> > millions of drivers have been contacted!
> >
> > Acting together we can make a difference.  If this
> makes sense to you,
> > please pass this message on.
> >
> > PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO
> THE $1.30 RANGE AND
> > KEEP THEM DOWN.
> >
> > THIS CAN REALLY WORK
> >
> > ___
> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> >
>
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> >
> 
> 
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> 
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-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A 
PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK.
-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"




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Re: [MBZ] Something practical to combat high fuel prices

[72benz250]

Interesting concept but according to these guys it won't work
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/gasout.htm

Looks like their solution it to get rid of california ;)

Re: [MBZ] 123 Brakes

[Alan Duff]

Duh, I've been driving a gasser too long. Have to use the kill lever to 
shut the engine off so I've got a vacuum problem with no vacuum to the 
brake booster. 

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN

Re: [MBZ] 123 Brakes

[John Ervine]

Alan Duff wrote:
Just bought a 83 300D. The brake pedal is rock hard and only moves down a 
quarter inch or so and the car is slow to stop. The brakes don't seem to 
drag. Don't recall having this type of problem before. My thoughts are

1. Stuck piston in a brake caliper
2. Stuck master cylinder.
Any ideas?


How's the vacuum assist?

--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 267+kmi
1980 300TD 168+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 80+kmi

Re: [MBZ] 123 Brakes

[Jan Guthrie]

No vacuum assist to the brakes .???

Jan

Alan Duff wrote:

> Just bought a 83 300D. The brake pedal is rock hard and only moves down a
> quarter inch or so and the car is slow to stop. The brakes don't seem to
> drag. Don't recall having this type of problem before. My thoughts are
> 1. Stuck piston in a brake caliper
> 2. Stuck master cylinder.
> Any ideas?
>
> Alan Duff
> Knoxville, TN
>
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Re: [MBZ] Something practical to combat high fuel prices

[Kevin J. Slater]

Yes,

cartels (which is basically what's being suggested, a cartel of buyers of
gasoline) work just great on the open market, just ask any decent
economics professor.

So let's think this through a bit. We're supposed to stop buying gas from
Exxon and Mobil until the prices hit $1.30. Do the people that suggest
such plans really think that people are going to wait around for the price
to drop to the target? If the price that Exxon and Mobil charge drops $.10
below what the surrounding vendors are charging, do they REALLY believe
that everyone won't switch over in droves?! What about if it was $.50
cheaper?! How many would hold out at that price? Think about it.

...Kevin

andrew strasfogel said:
> I received this from a friend in NY today (slightly edited to reduce the
> length)
>
> WAR ON GAS/DIESEL PRICES
>
> Do you have a spark of rebellion in you? Would you like to start a
> modern day Boston Tea Party?
>
> THEN JOIN the RESISTANCE
>
> We are ALREADY close to $3.00 a gallon and it might go higher!!
>
> Want gasoline or diesel prices to come down? We need to take some
> intelligent, united action.
>
> Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea:
>
> This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day"
> campaign that was going around last April or May!
>
> The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't
> continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas.
>
> It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.
>
> BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
> really work. Please read it and join with us!   By now you're probably
> thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Now that the
> oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that
> the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need to take
> aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market
> place not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each
> day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to
> see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook
> by not purchasing their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting
> ourselves.
>
> HOW?
>
> Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we
> CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a
> price war.
>
> Here's the idea:
>
> For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the TWO
> BIGGEST COMPANIES (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are
> not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If
> they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow
> suit.
>
> But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon
> and Mobil gas buyers.  If each of us sends it to at least ten more (30
> x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 do the same, it won't take long before
> millions of drivers have been contacted!
>
> Acting together we can make a difference.  If this makes sense to you,
> please pass this message on.
>
> PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND
> KEEP THEM DOWN.
>
> THIS CAN REALLY WORK
>
> ___
> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
>


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[MBZ] 123 Brakes

[Alan Duff]

Just bought a 83 300D. The brake pedal is rock hard and only moves down a 
quarter inch or so and the car is slow to stop. The brakes don't seem to 
drag. Don't recall having this type of problem before. My thoughts are
1. Stuck piston in a brake caliper
2. Stuck master cylinder.
Any ideas?

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN

[MBZ] Something practical to combat high fuel prices

[andrew strasfogel]

I received this from a friend in NY today (slightly edited to reduce the length)

WAR ON GAS/DIESEL PRICES

Do you have a spark of rebellion in you? Would you like to start a
modern day Boston Tea Party?

THEN JOIN the RESISTANCE

We are ALREADY close to $3.00 a gallon and it might go higher!!

Want gasoline or diesel prices to come down? We need to take some
intelligent, united action.

Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea:

This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day"
campaign that was going around last April or May!

The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't
continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas.

It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.

BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
really work. Please read it and join with us!   By now you're probably
thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Now that the
oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that
the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need to take
aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market
place not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each
day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to
see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook
by not purchasing their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting
ourselves.

HOW?

Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we
CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a
price war.

Here's the idea:

For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the TWO
BIGGEST COMPANIES (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are
not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If
they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow
suit.

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon
and Mobil gas buyers.  If each of us sends it to at least ten more (30
x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 do the same, it won't take long before
millions of drivers have been contacted!

Acting together we can make a difference.  If this makes sense to you,
please pass this message on.

PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND
KEEP THEM DOWN.

THIS CAN REALLY WORK

Re: [MBZ] going Veggie (and debbies 190D)

[Marshall Booth]

LT Don wrote:
Iowa women don't normally object to diesel because they have grown up 
around tractors. Do the Benz gassers (i.e., a 300E) have the longevity 
of the diesel models?


The bottom end of a Mercedes gasser can last almost as long as a diesel, 
but the top end (valve guides, valves, etc.) seldom last more than 
200-250kmi before the top end should be rebuilt - and that can be 
expensive ($2.5-3k) to VERY expensive (a 116/117 engine can get you up 
to $5-6k or more).


Marshall
--
  Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions)
  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

  Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection
http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm

Re: [MBZ] going Veggie

[andrew strasfogel]

You are too kind.  More likely, I am operating in a parallel universe
whose motto is "ready, shoot, aim".

On 8/26/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> can only use 1 kit per car...maybe you are referring
> to a high efficiency (read simply and easy) filtering
> apparatus.
> 
> Christopher
> 
> --- andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > You need several diesels to justify the price of the
> > "kit".
> >
> > On 8/26/05, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Agreed.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/26/05, Christopher McCann
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > if you don't have a long commute, or drive on
> > long
> > > > trips, it's not worth it. I put nearly 21,000
> > miles on
> > > > Wulf in 11 months, so I could use it.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > --- LT Don < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I look at it this was -- the full kit @ $1800
> > is
> > > > > about half the cost of
> > > > > Debbie's 190D, too.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/26/05, Christopher McCann
> > > > > < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > frybrid tanks have a heater in them AND
> > something
> > > > > akin
> > > > > > to a block heater so you don't start out
> > with a
> > > > > block
> > > > > > of lard-cement when it's -20 in IA. All
> > weather.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > 1977 240D
> > > > > 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle
> > > > >
> > > > > If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.
> > > > > > ___
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> > > > >
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> > to:
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> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City,
> > Missouri
> > > > -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" (
> > >
> >
> http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> > > > -1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen"
> > (Alternativen Kraftstoffs
> > > Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle)
> > DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS
> > > AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK.
> > > > -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"
> > > >
> > > >
> > __
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> > protection around
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> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > 1977 240D
> > > 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle
> > >
> > > If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.
> > >
> > >
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> 
> Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
> -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
> (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> -1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs 
> Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS 
> AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK.
> -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 116 Parts Book

[Potter, Tom E]

OK. Thanks for the offer anyway.

Thomas E. Potter
Telephone: (713) 215-2877
Fax: (713) 215-2551
Mobile: (832) 794-0536


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of frederick w moir
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 11:53 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 116 Parts Book


Hi, Tom C.
 John Ervive beat you to it by 12 mins.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
At 11:52 AM 8/26/2005, you wrote:
>I would like it. I will gladly pay for shipping.
>
>Thomas E. Potter
>Telephone: (713) 215-2877
>Fax: (713) 215-2551
>Mobile: (832) 794-0536
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of frederick w moir
>Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:39 AM
>To: Mercedes mailing list
>Subject: [MBZ] 116 Parts Book
>
>
>Hi, All.
> I have, free for the asking, a black parts catalog book for an
>116, 450SE
>- 450SEL 1972. Ask, and it shall be yours.
>TTFN
>Fred Moir
>Lynn MA
>Hip deep in diesel stuff
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] More M1

[Don & Teresa Merriman]

A Porsche, or any gas pot, under turbo boost does not come close to the 
compression ratio of a oil burner. Bearing material and loads are two 
different worlds. Oil viscosity of "0" would make me nervous with a 22:! 
ratio.
 Adios Don

 On 8/25/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Kaleb the Engineer tells me in re: M1 0W-40:
> 
> < economy.>>
> 
> Lessee now, when it's cold and "thin" and thus provides startup 
> lubrication sooner, that's no good. But when it's hot and acting like 40 
> weight it's providing better fuel economy. That's your theory, right?
> 
> RLE 
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Market Place Mexico
Vacation Rentals
Property Administration
www.marketplacemexico.com 

Re: [MBZ] 116 Parts Book

[frederick w moir]

Hi, Tom C.
John Ervive beat you to it by 12 mins.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
At 11:52 AM 8/26/2005, you wrote:

I would like it. I will gladly pay for shipping.

Thomas E. Potter
Telephone: (713) 215-2877
Fax: (713) 215-2551
Mobile: (832) 794-0536


-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:39 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: [MBZ] 116 Parts Book


Hi, All.
I have, free for the asking, a black parts catalog book for an
116, 450SE
- 450SEL 1972. Ask, and it shall be yours.
TTFN
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Hip deep in diesel stuff



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Re: [MBZ] A/C treatment

[Dave M.]

I'm interested too. Details, please! Also, does it work only with
mineral oil, or with PAG/POE oils too...?

:)

-Dave M.

> --
> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:30:15 -0700
> From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] A/C treatment
>
> 
> What is the product called? Is this something you sell?
> 
> On 8/26/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > what treatment are you talking about?
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > I had mentioned a treatment for the A/C system in an earlier post. To
> > > explain quickly what this does... the A/C system requires both some type
> > > of refrigerant plus an oil for lubrication. The oils used collect on the
> > > lines of the system as well as function to keep the parts lubricated.
> > > This collecting on the piping is called oil fouling which decreases the
> > > efficientcy of the refrigerant. This product gets rid of the oil fouling
> > > as well as increases the lubricity of the system. I have used it in all
> > > six of my vehicles and it has worked in all (cold air). I am also a
> > > general contractor specializing in custom residential homes and have
> > > been using it in my home A/C systems. It increases the efficientcy so
> > > well the payback is one year due to savings in run cost. The treatment
> > > in all systems is a one time treatment for the life of the system unless
> > > you flush the system. If you live in the south and have a heat pump it
> > > increases efficientcy year round because of the way a heat pump
> > > functions. Any more questions just ask.

Re: [MBZ] going Veggie

[Christopher McCann]

can only use 1 kit per car...maybe you are referring
to a high efficiency (read simply and easy) filtering
apparatus.

Christopher

--- andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You need several diesels to justify the price of the
> "kit".
> 
> On 8/26/05, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Agreed. 
> > 
> > 
> > On 8/26/05, Christopher McCann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > if you don't have a long commute, or drive on
> long
> > > trips, it's not worth it. I put nearly 21,000
> miles on
> > > Wulf in 11 months, so I could use it.
> > > 
> > > Chris
> > > 
> > > --- LT Don < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I look at it this was -- the full kit @ $1800
> is
> > > > about half the cost of
> > > > Debbie's 190D, too.
> > > >
> > > > On 8/26/05, Christopher McCann
> > > > < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > frybrid tanks have a heater in them AND
> something
> > > > akin
> > > > > to a block heater so you don't start out
> with a
> > > > block
> > > > > of lard-cement when it's -20 in IA. All
> weather. 
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > 1977 240D
> > > > 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle
> > > >
> > > > If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.
> > > > > ___ 
> > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go
> to:
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City,
> Missouri
> > > -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" (
> >
>
http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> > > -1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen"
> (Alternativen Kraftstoffs
> > Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle)
> DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS
> > AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK.
> > > -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"
> > > 
> > >
> __
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> > >
> >
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> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 1977 240D
> > 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle 
> > 
> > If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A 
PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK.
-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"




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Re: [MBZ] going Veggie

[andrew strasfogel]

You need several diesels to justify the price of the "kit".

On 8/26/05, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Agreed. 
> 
> 
> On 8/26/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > if you don't have a long commute, or drive on long
> > trips, it's not worth it. I put nearly 21,000 miles on
> > Wulf in 11 months, so I could use it.
> > 
> > Chris
> > 
> > --- LT Don < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > I look at it this was -- the full kit @ $1800 is
> > > about half the cost of
> > > Debbie's 190D, too.
> > >
> > > On 8/26/05, Christopher McCann
> > > < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > frybrid tanks have a heater in them AND something
> > > akin
> > > > to a block heater so you don't start out with a
> > > block
> > > > of lard-cement when it's -20 in IA. All weather. 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > 1977 240D
> > > 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle
> > >
> > > If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.
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> > 
> > Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
> > -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" (
> http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> > -1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs
> Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS
> AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK.
> > -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"
> > 
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> 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle 
> 
> If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Dead bulb light - 126

[andrew strasfogel]

Do the Booth purgative:  Change ALL the fuses!!

On 8/26/05, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My 500SEL had a 7w bulb in the third light instead of the proper 20w
> bulb, which was enough under certain conditions (not always) to
> trigger the bulb sensor.
> Check them all, and also check for proper watts, and perhaps make
> (OSRAM?) or are those improper 1157 USA bulbs? Plus of course corrosion.
> 
> On 25-Aug-05, at 8:22 PM, OK Don wrote:
> 
> > The license plate lights work - - and it makes sense from a safety
> > point of view that brake light bulb failure would be indicated whether
> > you were using the brakes at the moment or not. I'll start there!
> > Thanks-
> >
> >>
> >> The license plate lights and the 3rd brake light are easy to
> >> ignore, but
> >> the dead light bulb doesn't ignore them.
> >>
> >> Marshall
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > OK Don, KD5NRO
> > Norman, OK
> > '87 300SDL
> > '81 240D
> > '78 450SLC
> >
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> John
> 1983 300TDt  354k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
> 1992 300TDt  144k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
> 1993 500SEL 165k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)
> 
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Re: [MBZ] more on the subject of collector car prices for 220D's

[andrew strasfogel]

The engine is cleaner than my kitchen counter.  I like the gray/gray
combo.  It just shows that ANY model Mercedes in concours condition
will attract beaucoup interest.


On 8/26/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> you should buy it then.
> 
> JabbaHursty wrote:
> 
> > oh, man, makes me real homesick for my departed 220D
> >
> >
> > At 10:25 PM 8/25/2005, you wrote:
> >
> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-air-cond-1971-Mercedes-Benz-220-classic-vintage-diesel-no-resrv_W0QQitemZ4571229582QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> >>--
> >>Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
> >>  89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE,
> >>  85 300D,  83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
> >>  76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
> >>Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
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>  89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE,
>  85 300D,  83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
>  76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] $2 oil sucker (Wilton Strickland)

[DElliott%SWS]

An empty container that pre-mixed joint (drywall) compound comes in works
well as a container for the sucker you describe.  I made one.  Make a hole
in the lid  big enough for your shop vac hose to fit in.  Put some masking
tape around your shop vac hose and jam it in the hole.  Get a length of
small diameter flexible tubing and mount that on the top as well.  When not
used the flexible tube can coil and sit on the top.

Dan Elliott
82 300D-T 84kmi

Re: [MBZ] 116 Parts Book

[Potter, Tom E]

I would like it. I will gladly pay for shipping.

Thomas E. Potter
Telephone: (713) 215-2877
Fax: (713) 215-2551
Mobile: (832) 794-0536


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Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:39 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: [MBZ] 116 Parts Book


Hi, All.
I have, free for the asking, a black parts catalog book for an
116, 450SE 
- 450SEL 1972. Ask, and it shall be yours.
TTFN
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Hip deep in diesel stuff



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[MBZ] 116 Parts Book

[frederick w moir]

Hi, All.
	I have, free for the asking, a black parts catalog book for an 116, 450SE 
- 450SEL 1972. Ask, and it shall be yours.

TTFN
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Hip deep in diesel stuff

[MBZ] A/C systems

[frederick w moir]

Enigma2be2
Passcode Please.
TIA
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Klatta on!

Re: [MBZ] going Veggie (and debbies 190D)

[Dave Wakin]

I have seen them with high miles, and from what I have heard, the engines are 
built for it. I'll know more as time goes.

Dave
  - Original Message - 
  From: LT Don 
  To: Mercedes mailing list 
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] going Veggie (and debbies 190D)


  Iowa women don't normally object to diesel because they have grown up around 
tractors. Do the Benz gassers (i.e., a 300E) have the longevity of the diesel 
models? 


  On 8/26/05, Dave Wakin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Don,

I know you mentioned getting Debbie a 190D, but just thought I would 
mention the 300TE I picked up for my wife. 







  -- 
  1977 240D
  1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

  If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane. 






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Re: [MBZ] $2 oil sucker

[Rich Thomas]

I kinda like the visual feedback that a skwooshed-up puckered container
provides -- it gives me that visceral feel that some kind of
atmospheric physics are at work.  Plus it makes the neighbors think
that I am weird (well, I am sure most of them already think that, it
just gives them more current conversation topics -- "I saw Rich with
something red attached to a vacuum cleaner and his car, and it was all
puckered up, and he was just sitting there wearing ear protectors and
drinking beer and staring at it with some stupid grin on his face"),
and they tend to leave me alone when I am busy doing important stuff
like oil sucking and beer drinking.  A setup that just sits there
making VACUUM cleaner noises doesn't quite have that effect since
anyone can turn on a VACUUM cleaner.

YMMV



--R

Wilton Strickland wrote:

  You don't need to create a true VACUUM in the oil receiver container.  The
vacuum cleaner is used to merely REDUCE pressure in the container so that
atmospheric pressure can push (SIPHON) the oil out of the engine into the
container.  The vacuum cleaner is not meant to create a VACUUM in the
container.  If you create a true VACUUM in the container, the 14.7 pounds of
atmospheric pressure on every square inch of the container exterior WILL
COLLAPSE the container unless, of course, it is strong enough to withstand
that pressure.  Such a pressure vessel is not really needed to safely and
cleanly suck oil out of the engine.  A plastic joint compound bucket CAN do
it very nicely -- just don't create a true VACUUM in the bucket.

Wilton


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[MBZ] Topsider

[Fred De Vries]

Don wrote bout changing oil wearing Khaki's.
I picked up a 1974 240d 115 4 speed manual that runs and drives and is 
actually a lot of fun!
I've been going through it and learning a great deal.  Ihave a friend who 
has worked as a Tech for the local MB Dealer for 30 years and loves to put 
me on speker phone at the shop so all the techs can have a good laugh at my 
questions!  When I asked him about changing the oil, filters, etc. because 
the car hadn't been driven in 5 years, he told me I'd get so dirty that my 
girl wouldn't let me come near her for a month!  So rather than a month of 
Celibacy, what's the trick with the filter so I won't get too dirty?  I like 
the Topsider idea, my dad and I used to change the oil in his boat with a 
little electric pump that hooked up to the battery, then you snaked a tube 
down the dipstick.  Worked great and you could do it on water.
So. Rather than giving all the MB Tech's another hearty laugh this week, 
can somebody walk me through what I need to do to change the oil in my '74 
diesel?  Like, how many filters, where and how to change and what's a 
"diesel purge"?


Thanks so much!

FRED DE VRIES

Re: [MBZ] going Veggie (and debbies 190D)

[LT Don]

Iowa women don't normally object to diesel because they have grown up around 
tractors. Do the Benz gassers (i.e., a 300E) have the longevity of the 
diesel models? 

On 8/26/05, Dave Wakin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Don,
>  I know you mentioned getting Debbie a 190D, but just thought I would 
> mention the 300TE I picked up for my wife. 
>  
> 
> 


-- 
1977 240D
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.

Re: [MBZ] going Veggie (and debbies 190D)

[Dave Wakin]

Don,

I know you mentioned getting Debbie a 190D, but just thought I would mention 
the 300TE I picked up for my wife. 

I had bought her a 83 300TD to drive around in, and she HATED it. She was not a 
fan of the fumes and noise, so I sold it and used the money to buy her a 1990 
300TE. It gets about 22mpg and she drives it everywhere. Her alternative 
vehicle is our 2001 Yukon XL (15 mpg) and she usually picks the TE.  Great car 
and it fits our four kids and the two of us with an extra seat left over, so it 
fits our needs. The savings in gas/wear and tear from the Yukon pays the 
insurance, and I got it cheap enough ($2900) that it will hold it's value for 
awhile. My oldest turns 16 in 9 years - just might still have it around for her 
(135K on it now, probably have 200K on it when she is ready to drive). Course 
she has already called my e320, but I doubt I will have it in 9 years

Dave



  - Original Message - 
  From: LT Don 
  To: Mercedes mailing list 
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 9:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] going Veggie


  I look at it this was -- the full kit @ $1800 is about half the cost of 
Debbie's 190D, too. 


  On 8/26/05, Christopher McCann < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
frybrid tanks have a heater in them AND something akin 
to a block heater so you don't start out with a block
of lard-cement when it's -20 in IA. All weather.






  -- 
  1977 240D
  1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

  If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane. 






--


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Re: [MBZ] A/C treatment

[Gabriel S.]

What is the product called? Is this something you sell?

On 8/26/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> what treatment are you talking about?
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > I had mentioned a treatment for the A/C system in an earlier post. To
> > explain quickly what this does... the A/C system requires both some type
> > of refrigerant plus an oil for lubrication. The oils used collect on the
> > lines of the system as well as function to keep the parts lubricated.
> > This collecting on the piping is called oil fouling which decreases the
> > efficientcy of the refrigerant. This product gets rid of the oil fouling
> > as well as increases the lubricity of the system. I have used it in all
> > six of my vehicles and it has worked in all (cold air). I am also a
> > general contractor specializing in custom residential homes and have
> > been using it in my home A/C systems. It increases the efficientcy so
> > well the payback is one year due to savings in run cost. The treatment
> > in all systems is a one time treatment for the life of the system unless
> > you flush the system. If you live in the south and have a heat pump it
> > increases efficientcy year round because of the way a heat pump
> > functions. Any more questions just ask.
> >
> >
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>  89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE,
>  85 300D,  83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
>  76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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-- 
Gabriel S.
1987 300D
Southern California
230K=-

[MBZ] $2 oil sucker

[Wilton Strickland]

You don't need to create a true VACUUM in the oil receiver container.  The
vacuum cleaner is used to merely REDUCE pressure in the container so that
atmospheric pressure can push (SIPHON) the oil out of the engine into the
container.  The vacuum cleaner is not meant to create a VACUUM in the
container.  If you create a true VACUUM in the container, the 14.7 pounds of
atmospheric pressure on every square inch of the container exterior WILL
COLLAPSE the container unless, of course, it is strong enough to withstand
that pressure.  Such a pressure vessel is not really needed to safely and
cleanly suck oil out of the engine.  A plastic joint compound bucket CAN do
it very nicely -- just don't create a true VACUUM in the bucket.

Wilton

Re: [MBZ] going Veggie

[LT Don]

Agreed. 

On 8/26/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> if you don't have a long commute, or drive on long
> trips, it's not worth it. I put nearly 21,000 miles on
> Wulf in 11 months, so I could use it.
> 
> Chris
> 
> --- LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I look at it this was -- the full kit @ $1800 is
> > about half the cost of
> > Debbie's 190D, too.
> >
> > On 8/26/05, Christopher McCann
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > frybrid tanks have a heater in them AND something
> > akin
> > > to a block heater so you don't start out with a
> > block
> > > of lard-cement when it's -20 in IA. All weather.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 1977 240D
> > 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle
> >
> > If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.
> > > ___
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> 
> 
> Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
> -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" (
> http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> -1976 240D, ManyK miles, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs 
> Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS 
> AT HOME! I AM A PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK.
> -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"
> 
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1977 240D
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.

Re: [MBZ] Homemade oil sucker...a variation on a theme...

[Royce Engler]

Old Cajun sayingIf you're not willing to cheat, you don't deserve to win


RE

  -Original Message-
  From: Rich Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:19 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes mailing list
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Homemade oil sucker...a variation on a theme...


  I think you might be cheating, what with two vacs involved, even if one of
them is a carcass.  But as long as you only use maybe half a tube of caulk,
you might still remain under $2.

  --R

  Royce Engler wrote:
I'm in the process of converting a dead shopvac into one.   After 20
years, my trusty Craftsman shop vac seized up.  Put some stuff in it to
unseize it and it started spitting plastic at me, so I gave it last rites
and bought a new one.  So far I've removed the old motor and started sealing
up the holes where it was.  I'll connect it to the new shop vac and a hose
and give it a try.  I figure the shop vac should be a sturdy enough
container and it's made to hold suction anyway.  OBTW...I don't think you
want to actually pull a full vacuum on it...just enough to get suction
going.

Royce Engler

1985 300TD Turbo 265K

Re: [MBZ] 240d throttle linkage part @ firewall

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr.]

Mac,
Performance Products catalog shows an Idle control cable that seems to
have  washer. Can't tell if that's it or not. Whole thing is 40.00 USD.
www.PerformanceProducts4Benz.com  

Dwight Giles, Jr.
1979 240D auto, 243K+  miles
Wickford RI
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve MacSween
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 9:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] 240d throttle linkage part @ firewall

Both my newly acquired 240Ds are 1982s, and have the 'late' version of
the
gizmo where the throttle linkage passes through the firewall, more or
less a
rubber bushing with a plastic/nylon inner fitting, inside a metal frame.
(Earlier cars seem to have a somewhat simpler setup.)

Both have the same problem, the inner plastic piece has broken and flops
around freely, limiting throttle movement to about 1/3 what it ought to
be
(not a good thing on an OM616!).

My question is, I don't see a corresponding part, at the on-line
catalogue
sites. The only decent dealer around here is a long drive away, and
unless I
go there and look over the parts fiches in person at the counter, with
the
parts guy, I don't rate highly my chances of getting the right item.
They
don't break out the w123 stuff much around here, anymore.

So, what is this thing called, and how much do I need to order (is it
only
sold as the entire assembly, or is it broken down into components)?

Thanks

Mac



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Re: [MBZ] going Veggie

[Christopher McCann]

if you don't have a long commute, or drive on long
trips, it's not worth it. I put nearly 21,000 miles on
Wulf in 11 months, so I could use it.

Chris

--- LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I look at it this was -- the full kit @ $1800 is
> about half the cost of 
> Debbie's 190D, too. 
> 
> On 8/26/05, Christopher McCann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > frybrid tanks have a heater in them AND something
> akin
> > to a block heater so you don't start out with a
> block
> > of lard-cement when it's -20 in IA. All weather.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 1977 240D
> 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle
> 
> If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.
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Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A 
PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK.
-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"

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[MBZ] 240d throttle linkage part @ firewall

[Steve MacSween]

Both my newly acquired 240Ds are 1982s, and have the 'late' version of the
gizmo where the throttle linkage passes through the firewall, more or less a
rubber bushing with a plastic/nylon inner fitting, inside a metal frame.
(Earlier cars seem to have a somewhat simpler setup.)

Both have the same problem, the inner plastic piece has broken and flops
around freely, limiting throttle movement to about 1/3 what it ought to be
(not a good thing on an OM616!).

My question is, I don't see a corresponding part, at the on-line catalogue
sites. The only decent dealer around here is a long drive away, and unless I
go there and look over the parts fiches in person at the counter, with the
parts guy, I don't rate highly my chances of getting the right item. They
don't break out the w123 stuff much around here, anymore.

So, what is this thing called, and how much do I need to order (is it only
sold as the entire assembly, or is it broken down into components)?

Thanks

Mac

Re: [MBZ] Dead bulb light - 126

[John M McIntosh]

My 500SEL had a 7w bulb in the third light instead of the proper 20w  
bulb, which was enough under certain conditions (not always) to  
trigger the bulb sensor.
Check them all, and also check for proper watts, and perhaps make  
(OSRAM?) or are those improper 1157 USA bulbs? Plus of course corrosion.


On 25-Aug-05, at 8:22 PM, OK Don wrote:


The license plate lights work - - and it makes sense from a safety
point of view that brake light bulb failure would be indicated whether
you were using the brakes at the moment or not. I'll start there!
Thanks-



The license plate lights and the 3rd brake light are easy to  
ignore, but

the dead light bulb doesn't ignore them.

Marshall




--
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Norman, OK
'87 300SDL
'81 240D
'78 450SLC

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1983 300TDt  354k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1992 300TDt  144k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 165k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)

Re: [MBZ] going Veggie

[LT Don]

I look at it this was -- the full kit @ $1800 is about half the cost of 
Debbie's 190D, too. 

On 8/26/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> frybrid tanks have a heater in them AND something akin
> to a block heater so you don't start out with a block
> of lard-cement when it's -20 in IA. All weather.
> 
> 
> 


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1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.

Re: [MBZ] going Veggie

[Christopher McCann]

time invested - in KC, I think there is VO critical
mass - I meet people everywhere who want to do it, but
complain about the collection (VERY understandable).
Jason (co-worker) and I are working on a high volume
processing system that uses a centrifugal filter (1
micron level). Will be putting up a website and some
other promos soon to gather the KC VO-volk together
and spread the labor around. That's the way to go,
IMO.

Christopher

--- redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Depends on how often you fill the tank.  I would be
> able to recoup in 
> around a year (48.9 tanks of $3 diesel).  That takes
> into account the 
> gathering of WVO and filtering, but not time
> invested.
> 
> On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 03:06 PM, LT Don
> wrote:
> 
> > Maybe too many econ classes at GMU, but I wonder
> how long it would 
> > take for reasonable return on investment on a $2K
> WVO system, not 
> > counting the time needed to collect / filter /
> process / pray over the 
> > WVO.
> >
> > On 8/25/05, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> wrote:
> >
> > What I like about his stuff is that it gets better
> with each iteration.
> >   He is also doing more than just simple Benz
> installs so there is wide
> > integration with other makes, which will transfer
> to better coming
> > systems
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle
> >
> > If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane.
> >
> >
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> 1995 E300D - Cleo
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-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A 
PROFESSIONAL IDIOT, I THINK.
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Re: [MBZ] going Veggie

[Christopher McCann]

frybrid tanks have a heater in them AND something akin
to a block heater so you don't start out with a block
of lard-cement when it's -20 in IA. All weather.

--- LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am not sure that WVO would be very functional
> during the winter. I always 
> thought of that as more of a warm weather sort of
> experiment. Perhaps with 
> the right heaters ...
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-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) DISCLAIMER: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! I AM A 
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Re: [MBZ] going Veggie

[LT Don]

I probably put about 10 miles a day on my car (work days) and another 100 on 
weekends. But that slow, 35 mph max, stop and go driving really drinks down 
the #2. 

I estimate I buy about $60 worth of diesel per month, which is $720 per 
year. Therefore, it would be roughly a 2 to 3 year payback if I was running 
only on the veggie, which I wouldn't because except on weekends there isn't 
a long enough drive to warm things up, switch to veggie, and then switch 
back to #2 prior to shutting down.

Re: [MBZ] 1946

[andrew strasfogel]

Oh yeah - forgot about that.  Did they make a convertible in '46?  I
once could have bought a perfect 1948 convertible for $400 but that
was in 1967 when $400 was like $50,000 today...  (slight
exaggeration).


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> <>
> 
> How bout a '46 Cadillac. Black. Restored of course.
> 
> RLE 
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Re: [MBZ] car from birth year

[andrew strasfogel]

The dictionary should show a picture of the Nash to illustrate the
definition of "funky".

On 8/25/05, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I thought it was a 1500cc MG engine with a single carb, but it was a
> LONG time ago that I last looked at one.
> 
> On 8/25/05, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think it has an engine from a fridge.  Motor?  Something
> >
> 
> --
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> Norman, OK
> '87 300SDL
> '81 240D
> '78 450SLC
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Re: [MBZ] 1946

[Mitch Haley]

TimothyPilgrim wrote:
> 
> What about those who were born in the war years when no cars were
> made? Oh wait, were any people made during those years either.

There were likely more people made than jeeps, but I think there
are enough jeeps left for everybody who really wants one.

Re: [MBZ] more on the subject of collector car prices for 220D's

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

you should buy it then.

JabbaHursty wrote:


oh, man, makes me real homesick for my departed 220D


At 10:25 PM 8/25/2005, you wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-air-cond-1971-Mercedes-Benz-220-classic-vintage-diesel-no-resrv_W0QQitemZ4571229582QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Re: [MBZ] A/C treatment

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

what treatment are you talking about?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I had mentioned a treatment for the A/C system in an earlier post. To 
explain quickly what this does... the A/C system requires both some type 
of refrigerant plus an oil for lubrication. The oils used collect on the 
lines of the system as well as function to keep the parts lubricated. 
This collecting on the piping is called oil fouling which decreases the 
efficientcy of the refrigerant. This product gets rid of the oil fouling 
as well as increases the lubricity of the system. I have used it in all 
six of my vehicles and it has worked in all (cold air). I am also a 
general contractor specializing in custom residential homes and have 
been using it in my home A/C systems. It increases the efficientcy so 
well the payback is one year due to savings in run cost. The treatment 
in all systems is a one time treatment for the life of the system unless 
you flush the system. If you live in the south and have a heat pump it 
increases efficientcy year round because of the way a heat pump 
functions. Any more questions just ask.





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Re: [MBZ] Dead bulb light - 126

[OK Don]

Actually, she is running Mobil1 now - but I will draw a sample for
analysis tomorrow ;-)
Removing the bulb behind the bomb icon should fix that computer
though! Teach it to holler at me - yank it's tongue out!

On 8/26/05, Potter, Tom  E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You have pissed off the master computer by your insensitive lack of
> attention (where did I hear this before). Your fate is sealed. Sure
> there is a secret reset code, but it is SECRET. Maybe if you treated it
> to some Mobil 1? :)
> 
> Thomas E. Potter
> Telephone: (713) 215-2877
> Fax: (713) 215-2551
> Mobile: (832) 794-0536

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'87 300SDL
'81 240D
'78 450SLC

Re: [MBZ] No Start Question My poor 240

[Potter, Tom E]

I am not an expert on this subject, but I do not see how you can damage
the transmission since it is not connected mechanically to the engine.

Thomas E. Potter
Telephone: (713) 215-2877
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 6:38 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] No Start Question My poor 240


Kevin wrote:
> I'd personally assume that you're throwing the engine out, and with
that
> in mind, try to pull start it. If it sticks a rod through the side of
the
> block, well, it was dead anyways. If it lights off, drive it till it
drops,
> then dunk a used engine in it if you still like the car. If not, you
have
> an opportunity to meet Kaleb...

But, if it's an auto trans, and the engine is siezed, you might damage
the
tranny that way. I might be tempted to try it, but I'd slide the lever
back to neutral pretty quick if the engine weren't turning.

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Re: [MBZ] Dead bulb light - 126

[Potter, Tom E]

You have pissed off the master computer by your insensitive lack of
attention (where did I hear this before). Your fate is sealed. Sure
there is a secret reset code, but it is SECRET. Maybe if you treated it
to some Mobil 1? :)

Thomas E. Potter
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Fax: (713) 215-2551
Mobile: (832) 794-0536


-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:32 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: [MBZ] Dead bulb light - 126


One of the rear running lights on the 300SDL burnt out and the dead
light bulb light (the one that looks like a bomb icon) on the dash lit
up everytime I turned on the headlights. Since I didn't consider that
light essential, I didn't change it right away - couldn't remember it
during the daylight hours. After a month or tow  of this, the dead
light bulb light came on any time the car is on. I figured there was a
timer somewhere that was saying - hey stupid, don't ignore me! So I
changed the dead bulb, it works now, every other bulb I can find works
now, but the dead light bulb dash light still lights up every time the
car is on. I thought maybe the "computer" has to be re-set, I found
the applicable fuse, pulled it out for 30 seconds or so, and put it
back. That warning light is still on!
Is there another bulb that I can't that's supposed to working when the
head lihts are off that I'm missing? Is there a secret re-set code?
Any ideas?

Thanks -
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Norman, OK 
'87 300SDL
'81 240D
'78 450SLC

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Re: [MBZ] 1946

[TimothyPilgrim]

What about those who were born in the war years when no cars were
made? Oh wait, were any people made during those years either.

Tim

On 8/25/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> <>
>  
>  How bout a '46 Cadillac. Black. Restored of course.
>  
>  RLE

Re: [MBZ] No Start Question My poor 240

[Mitch Haley]

Kevin wrote:
> I'd personally assume that you're throwing the engine out, and with that
> in mind, try to pull start it. If it sticks a rod through the side of the
> block, well, it was dead anyways. If it lights off, drive it till it drops,
> then dunk a used engine in it if you still like the car. If not, you have
> an opportunity to meet Kaleb...

But, if it's an auto trans, and the engine is siezed, you might damage the
tranny that way. I might be tempted to try it, but I'd slide the lever
back to neutral pretty quick if the engine weren't turning.

Re: [MBZ] wierd SDL charging problem.

[Kevin]

On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 06:41:44PM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> I suspect its the voltage regulator anyways.  Im pretty dumb about how 
> to figure out what is drawing what though.

Pretty simple, use a test lamp in place of each fuse one at a time, and 
see which one (aside from the effing clock) lights up with the car off and
the accessories seemingly off. Without any background, my five cents (yes,
I'm cheap) are on a bad ground somewhere or the infamous fuse that Marshall
warns about that we all smile and nod about, then proceed to get bitten by.

If you need a schematic or directions how to build a test lamp from stuff you
have about the house, hargrave or hattaway likely have good ideas. I use an
ammeter with some care as to where I put it so I don't blow it up.

K

Re: [MBZ] No Start Question My poor 240

[Kevin]

On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 01:41:50PM -0700, Brian Chase wrote:
> I got your point, that's what is important. I wanted to know if in fact it 
> is trickier to rebuild a Mercedes engine than, say, a Detroit Diesel or, for 
> that matter, an Isuzu, etc. You get the idea.

Detroit probably not so much so, but the stupid NPR I had to deal with
was overcomplicated in underdesigned areas. Plus, there isn't a rusty for
NPRs - dealer only, and you're paying retail. Ouch.

Successful OM rebuilds usually replace everything but the block and crank.
Crank is nitrided, block gets the sleeves knocked out and replaced after
the block is tanked. This is counter-350 chevy, where you punch and turn 
everything, and use a $79 PAW rebuild kit to make 300 horsepower.

> In fact, the question still stands for the list. What's everybody elses' 
> opinion??

Unless it's something where you're going to keep it forever AND want the 
experience of rebuilding the engine, yank the engine from a wreck or rustbucket
and run off a legendary original mercedes engine. With simple maintenance,
OM616s would easily outlast the car. IIRC, your car is a low mile example from
a salt-free environment, so it's a body worth dunking a used engine into.

I'd personally assume that you're throwing the engine out, and with that
in mind, try to pull start it. If it sticks a rod through the side of the
block, well, it was dead anyways. If it lights off, drive it till it drops, 
then dunk a used engine in it if you still like the car. If not, you have
an opportunity to meet Kaleb...

K

Re: [MBZ] cars from the years of our births

[kevin kraly]

If I see a good example, I will let you know.

Much appreciated, Clay.  Maybe, one will come up on CL some day.

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon

1978 300CD 200K+ miles, Vinnie

Re: [MBZ] cars from the years of our births

[kevin kraly]

I was just trying to outbid Kaleb with my $600 offer.  I'm sure it's worth a 
LITTLE more than that.  When you say mid four figures, do you mean around 
$5K?


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon

1978 300CD 200K+ miles, Vinnie 

Re: [MBZ] cars from the years of our births

[Kevin]

On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 12:53:10PM -0700, kevin kraly wrote:
> 1974. Wasn't that the year they mandated catalytic
> converters?
> 
> I believe so.  A lot of vehicle manufacturers were required to install 
> larger bumpers as well.

Larger bumpers may be. My 1974 hornet sportabout with factory v8, california
car since new, never had catalytics. IIRC, volvo also didn't add cats until
77ish. I don't know that cats were ever mandated, just used to meet federal
emissions goals.

K

Re: [MBZ] More M1

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:16:44 -0600 "Dave M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If you buy D-1 in gallon jugs at the distrbutor, it's
> usually $24/qt or so. You do the math... but I'm buying mine in 5qt
> jugs!!

I think you mean $24/gal ($6.00/qt) versus the $3.98/qt in the 5 qt jugs.



Craig

[MBZ] M1 again

[RELNGSON]

<>

It's not just AMG, it's every car MB sells here.

RLE

[MBZ] FSS countdown

[RELNGSON]

<>

I also used to think that my '01's FSS "examined" the oil in some highly 
mysterious and scientific way and the result governed the countdown to the next 
change. I have gotten over that idea after a little experiment.

I changed the oil (M1 0W40) and reset the FSS to zero. After 5000 FSS miles 
(5000 to go) I changed the oil and did not reset the FSS. I then compared the 
FSS countdown to the odo reading about every 100 miles until the FSS countdown 
reached "500 miles to B service". At no time did the two mileage readouts vary 
by more than 100 miles.

The point is that if the oil contamination was actually being checked, the 
FSS reading to next service should have lagged behind the odometer's actual 
miles readout.

And it didn't. Anyhow, FSS and the E's electronically controlled brakes have 
been abandoned for '06.

RLE/Seattle/sniffing at the '07 C350. Or maybe C320CDI, I dunno...

Re: [MBZ] Homemade oil sucker...a variation on a theme...

[Rich Thomas]

I think you might be cheating, what with two vacs involved, even if one 
of them is a carcass.  But as long as you only use maybe half a tube of 
caulk, you might still remain under $2.


--R

Royce Engler wrote:

I'm in the process of converting a dead shopvac into one.   After 20 
years, my trusty Craftsman shop vac seized up.  Put some stuff in it 
to unseize it and it started spitting plastic at me, so I gave it last 
rites and bought a new one.  So far I've removed the old motor and 
started sealing up the holes where it was.  I'll connect it to the new 
shop vac and a hose and give it a try.  I figure the shop vac should 
be a sturdy enough container and it's made to hold suction anyway.  
OBTW...I don't think you want to actually pull a full vacuum on 
it...just enough to get suction going.
 


Royce Engler

1985 300TD Turbo 265K

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:41 PM
*To:* benz
*Subject:* [MBZ] Topsider (where to buy, what to get)

Hi all,
 
Well my homemade topsider went belly up last night. Used a bucket

from Home Depot, A vacuum pump and some fittings. Hooked it up to
a vacuum gauges, reaghed about 4"Hg and imploded :(
 
So unless someone has a better canister I can use cheap, I was

wondering what everybody else uses and where to buy it from.
 
Thanks
 
George




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Re: [MBZ] More M1

[Dave M.]

For those of you who missed the memo, and since Mobil won't fess up to
it... Delvac-1 is now sold as Mobil-1 'Truck & SUV' Formula but a lot
cheaper. Usually $5/qt, or if you're willing to go to the Evil Empire,
Mall-Wart has 5-qt jugs for ~$19.89. That's about $3.98/qt for
Delvac-1, folks. If you buy D-1 in gallon jugs at the distrbutor, it's
usually $24/qt or so. You do the math... but I'm buying mine in 5qt
jugs!!

Also, although designed for diesels, the D-1 / T&S is an excellent oil
for gas engines too. It has a different base stock than all the other
M-1 oils, AFAIK. I use it in my 300E and E500 (and the Ford cargo van
too).

=)

-dm

> --
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:45:33 -0500
> From: Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] More M1
> 
> I'm leary of using 0 weight oil in a diesel as I don't think it
> provides enough film strength to protect the crankpin bearings on cold
> running.  I stick with 5W-40 M1 truck and SUV oil in the winter and M1
> 15W-50 in the summer.  Delvac 1, if you can find it, is better than the
> 15W50 as it is formulated for diesel, not general use.
> 
> The fun thing with synthetic oils (all of them, not just Mobil 1) is
> that the viscosity changes much less with temperature than that of dino
> oils -- synthetic will have a much lower viscosity than dino cold, and
> much higher viscosity hot!  It also doesn't produce sludge unless
> severely provoked.
> 
> Peter
>

Re: [MBZ] TOILET PAPER filters (?!?!??!)

[Dave M.]

And THAT, David, is why I'm not interested in bypass filters. You do
get near-virgin oil in the engine at all times, but there's nearly
zero cost savings over just using extended drain intervals. Changing
the TP every 2.5k and adding a quart would be somewhat of a nuisance
to me. I would consider doing this if I bought a vehicle new that I
wanted to keep for 500kmi, but otherwise, it's not my cup o' tea.

=)

-dm

> --
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:44:31 -0700
> From: David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] crap in tanks and TOILET PAPER (?!?!??!)
>filters
>
> Marshall Booth wrote:
> > one VW diesel owner did not CHANGE his Mobil 1 oil for 60kmi and
> > when it was finally changed it was still "honey" colored and the TBN had
> > not dropped more than about 50%. Problem was that he had to change the
> > filter at least every 2500 miles or the filter would occlude, and with
> > each filter change, a qt of fresh oil had to be added. The actual cost
> > for the 60kmi was only about $10-12 less than if he had change the
> > oil/filter in the conventional way - and there was the labor and
> > disposal problems of changing the filter every 2500 miles (24 times) for
> > 60kmi of driving.
> 
> Just to play devil's advocate: A VW diesel holds 4 quarts of oil.  He
> effectively did six oil changes in that 60,000 miles, one quart at a time.
>

Re: [MBZ] More M1

[Dave M.]

As Marshall already mentioned, which you would have noticed if you had
been reading your messages instead of making snide jabs at Kaleb...
the M-1 0W-40 is on the thin side of a 40 rating. I vaguely recall
something about the Amsoil 0W-30 having similar specs? Despite being
awfully close numerically to the 5W-40 the two are WAY different.

-dm

> --
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:43:03 EDT
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] More M1
> 
> Kaleb the Engineer tells me in re: M1 0W-40:
> 
> < economy.>>
> 
> Lessee now, when it's cold and "thin" and thus provides startup lubrication
> sooner, that's no good. But when it's hot and acting like 40 weight it's
> providing better fuel economy. That's your theory, right?
> 
> RLE

Re: [MBZ] car from year of birth

[Bucks2]

Then she'd really laugh at my little BMW Isetta with only one door. I filled 
it up a few days ago because it was down to just over a half gallon left. Cost 
almost $6.00 to fill 'er up. At 65 MPG a fellow can cruise all over town 
pretty cheap. Oh, just for the record.. I park it behind my MB. ;-)  

Ken


In a message dated 8/25/2005 7:22:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: "redghost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] car from birth year


http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/93385962.html

this would be a great addition, but the wife hates them.  Thinks they
look like clowns should tumble out when doors are open

Re: [MBZ] 0W-40

[Dave M.]

That's exactly right. Two list members who tried the 0W-40 had lifter
noise return on their OM603 engines, and one noticed a significant
increase in iron wear particles in the oil analysis. Reverting to
5W-40 or 15W-50 cured both issues... lifters quieted down and iron
wear went back to normal.

Another use for thin oil is in search of peak power. Racing engines
are sometimes fed watery thin stuff like 0W-20 which will give a
percent or two peak power gain over thicker oils. But those engines
are also torn down way more often than our street engines.

I'd say AMG and Porsche specify the 0W-40 because it's a compromise
between peak power & MPG (super thin) and best protection/longevity
(relatively thick). YMMV, I'm not saying it's bad oil (it's not), just
that for MY engines I perfer Delvac-1 5W-40 (aka M-1 T&S).

=)

-dm

> --
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:30:13 EDT
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [MBZ] 0W-40
> 
>>> I think the 0W-40 is used as factory fill for fuel economy,
>>> not for protetction... I wouldn't put it in my cars.
> 
> For fuel economy? Please explain. And keep in mind that low-performance
> slowpoke cars like the SL55 and the Porsche 911 Turbo use M1 0W-40. 
> But  it's not "safe" for your stuff?
> 
> RLE/ Seattle

Re: [MBZ] E-coli, OT, No MB content, Don't look, hit delete now.........

[Bucks2]

A subject of "e-coli" didn't tip you off? Sorry, lost my rule book about MB 
content. Could you cite chapter and verse for me?  And could you also point out 
your MB content in your complaint? 

Please note, don't poop in your MB. (required MB content per Tim and Dwight) 

Oh, one more thing, I really do wear nomex clothes, so flaming don't bother 
me. ;-)

Ken

In a message dated 8/25/2005 10:51:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] E-coli
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I guess it needs that OT disclaimer in the subject. Or transfer to the
Banned list...

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 8/25/05, Dwight E. Giles, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I hate to ask, but where is the MB content in this thread? No flaming
> intended.
> Dwight (wearing nomex)
> 
> Dwight Giles, Jr.
> 1979 240D auto, 243K+  miles
> Wickford RI

Re: [MBZ] A/C systems

[Enigma2be2]

The product is made by U. S. Refrigeration Technologies out of the Dallas 
area and is called IceCold. It is being used around the world including India 
and 
China and many other countries and here in the U.S.. It has mostly been sold 
to large consumers. I will send a passcode to individuals to go on their site 
and read about it if anyone wants to do this. I do know that the stuff works. 
I am putting it in cars for about $100.00 per and in house units for $100.00 
per ton. But this is a once treatment. It is in many large hospitals, big 
facilities and many government buildings around the country. 

Re: [MBZ] crap in tanks and TOILET PAPER (?!?!??!) filters....

[Marshall Booth]

Mitch Haley wrote:

Marshall Booth wrote:


But he had to change the filter 24 times - a lot of labor and trouble.




Depends on the filter. With Motorguard, it's 
1. twirl t-handle on filter, remove lid

2. remove TP and stick in bag
3. insert new TP
4. reinstall lid, tighten t-handle. 


If you use the bag to grab the old TP, it's a clean and quick operation.


I leave it to you to have all that fun (and dispose LEGALLY of all that 
oil soaked toilet paper)!


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] going Veggie

[redghost]

A few dozen miles to the PnP and chasing kids all over the place

On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 08:13 PM, OK Don wrote:


Your daily commute is probably more than Lt. Don's 4 miles!

On 8/25/05, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Depends on how often you fill the tank.  I would be able to recoup in
around a year (48.9 tanks of $3 diesel).  That takes into account the
gathering of WVO and filtering, but not time invested.




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Re: [MBZ] Topsider (where to buy, what to get)

[redghost]

that is why I invested in the latex cat suit at the adult store. The 
oil does not show, and I can rub goop all over and hose off.


On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 08:11 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:


On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:10:53 -0700 "R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



  2 questions -

  1. why do I want one? I think I know the answer - considered easier
  and cleaner to pull the oil out the dipstick than it is to crawl 
under

  and drain with the plug.
  I assume one still gets dirty pulling the filter off - at least on 
my

  115 with the old style cartridge in the canister.


If you have a W115, all bets are off. You can get VERY dirty changing 
the

filter on a W115, which has to be changed from the bottom.

On a W123 (and later, I believe), you change the filter from the top of
the engine. It inserts into the filter cannister from the top and the 
lid

bolts down on top of it.



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Re: [MBZ] more on the subject of collector car prices for 220D's

[OK Don]

You must have never replaced the fan motor -- I don't miss mine!

On 8/25/05, JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> oh, man, makes me real homesick for my departed 220D
> 

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'78 450SLC

Re: [MBZ] car from birth year

[OK Don]

I thought it was a 1500cc MG engine with a single carb, but it was a
LONG time ago that I last looked at one.

On 8/25/05, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think it has an engine from a fridge.  Motor?  Something
> 

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Re: [MBZ] A/C treatment

[Royce Engler]

OK.so what is it?

Royce Engler

1985 300TD Turbo 265K

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:13 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [MBZ] A/C treatment


  I had mentioned a treatment for the A/C system in an earlier post. To
explain quickly what this does... the A/C system requires both some type of
refrigerant plus an oil for lubrication. The oils used collect on the lines
of the system as well as function to keep the parts lubricated. This
collecting on the piping is called oil fouling which decreases the
efficientcy of the refrigerant. This product gets rid of the oil fouling as
well as increases the lubricity of the system. I have used it in all six of
my vehicles and it has worked in all (cold air). I am also a general
contractor specializing in custom residential homes and have been using it
in my home A/C systems. It increases the efficientcy so well the payback is
one year due to savings in run cost. The treatment in all systems is a one
time treatment for the life of the system unless you flush the system. If
you live in the south and have a heat pump it increases efficientcy year
round because of the way a heat pump functions. Any more questions just ask.

Re: [MBZ] more on the subject of collector car prices for 220D's

[redghost]

When I paint Gump she can look that good.  Wonder if I sent her to  
Canada the price offered would triple?



On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 07:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-air-cond-1971- 
Mercedes-Benz-220-classic-vintage-diesel-no- 
resrv_W0QQitemZ4571229582QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] Dead bulb light - 126

[OK Don]

The license plate lights work - - and it makes sense from a safety
point of view that brake light bulb failure would be indicated whether
you were using the brakes at the moment or not. I'll start there!
Thanks-
> 
> The license plate lights and the 3rd brake light are easy to ignore, but
> the dead light bulb doesn't ignore them.
> 
> Marshall
> 

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'78 450SLC

Re: [MBZ] crap in tanks and TOILET PAPER (?!?!??!) filters....

[Mitch Haley]

Marshall Booth wrote:
> But he had to change the filter 24 times - a lot of labor and trouble.
> 

Depends on the filter. With Motorguard, it's 
1. twirl t-handle on filter, remove lid
2. remove TP and stick in bag
3. insert new TP
4. reinstall lid, tighten t-handle. 

If you use the bag to grab the old TP, it's a clean and quick operation.

Re: [MBZ] A/C treatment

[OK Don]

What was the product again??? Almost sounds too good to be true -- 

On 8/25/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I had mentioned a treatment for the A/C system in an earlier post. To
> explain quickly what this does... 


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Re: [MBZ] New Deal

[redghost]

Well that explains Clinton

On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 07:21 PM, LT Don wrote:


No no ... it was pot for every chicken.

On 8/25/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thats what I thought.  Oh well.

OK Don wrote:

> Hmmm - I thought the "New Deal" was a chicken in every pot -- --
>
> On 8/25/05, Rusty Cullens < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>



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1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] more on the subject of collector car prices for 220D's

[JabbaHursty]

oh, man, makes me real homesick for my departed 220D


At 10:25 PM 8/25/2005, you wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-air-cond-1971-Mercedes-Benz-220-classic-vintage-diesel-no-resrv_W0QQitemZ4571229582QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Re: [MBZ] car from birth year

[redghost]

I think it has an engine from a fridge.  Motor?  Something

On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 07:00 PM, Hendrik Riessen wrote:


Paint it red and stick a V8 under the bonnet. Wife will love it:-)
Then again for that kind of money you can buy a real car.
Is there a big wind up key that comes with it?

Hendrik

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From: "redghost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mercedes mailing list" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] car from birth year


http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/93385962.html

this would be a great addition, but the wife hates them.  Thinks they
look like clowns should tumble out when doors are open



On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 01:24 PM, Gerald R. Flintrop wrote:


1948!

http://www.hfmgv.org/exhibits/showroom/1948/tucker.html

Jerry Ö¿Ö
~


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On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:16 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] car from birth year

andrew strasfogel wrote:


I don't want a '46 anything.



Was the Tucker a '46 or '48 model?





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Re: [MBZ] $2 oil sucker

[OK Don]

Nice write-up. Thanks!

On 8/25/05, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> HOMEMADE /$2 TOPSIDER/OIL SUCKER
> 
> Wilton
> 


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