I think it is Toyotas stringent quality control that has helped it be the
number 1, not as many Monday morning and Friday afternoon cars.
Therein lies the problem of the western auto makers, unions demand more
money for their workers but don't care about the quality of the product they
are build
The 123 was designed in the 70's and is nowhere as boxxy as a 300C.
Might pay to compare a 123 to a swedish brick of the same era.
Also in a 123 I can check my blind spot, put my elbow on the window sill and
the kids can watch the world go by. It is a practical family truck.
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To:
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB & Chrysler
Hendrik Reissen'd (ummnh that's Riessen, thank you)
<300C
would have to be the ugliest thing on the planet (it's like a shoebox on
wheels) and I can't see ho
Glory Hallelujah and Amen. The conversion -- and just the plugs using the
original relay -- has been money well spent w/ my '77 240D.
My car with the change to pencil plugs starts in the winter like it started
in the summer with loop plugs.
On 2/16/07, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Brushes on the alternator are worn out. Easy replacement, just two
screws.
Peter
Elephantine. Biggest vehicle on the road short of a Suburban, and the
visibility must stink, I can't see inside it while driving my Benz.
Peter
Thanks Andrew-that was actually my guess. I have had the experience with my
240D that once it was started, and under load the gelling would let go and
then have full throttle, so the pump made sense. My brother (also MB diesel
guy) describes it like when a frozen water pipe lets go.
Dwight
Dw
andrew strasfogel wrote:
On my 1983 300TD I can start it as Marshal and Mercedes advise, but it dies
almost immediately unless I depress the fuel pedal enough to keep the tach
at 750 rpm. Hope to change the glow plugs once we thaw out a bit to see if
that solves the problem.
Glow plugs will NO
Aren't those built on a pretty much exclusivly MB chassis?
Bob R
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Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:57 AM
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I'd consider a Crossfire - but that's about it.
I rathe
Jim Cathey wrote:
I continue to be dumbfounded that almost nobody follows Mercedes'
recommendation that once you start cranking, KEEP cranking until the
engine starts - DO NOT STOP CRANKING - DO NOT TRY A SECOND TIME
I would modify this for an older knob-start machine, as they shut
of GP curren
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Hi, Alles.
"Windows look like gun slits to me."
How right you are! With the state of the world being what it is, maybe some
people want that "I'm driving a Bradley and no one can get at me" feeling of
security. Total nonsense of course. There is no absolute security, just levels
of relative sec
I prefer the 300 on looks but then I really don't want a van. If I were going
to get something like that, I would
prefer the new Suburban.
Randy
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Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 3:43 PM
To: Mercedes Disc
Toyota has build a reputation for building affordable and reliable
transportation, boring as the rest of the Asian cars but the perception of
quality is there.
A friend of mine drove a 1990 Camry practically since it was new, and why do
you think he got rid of it? Well, he simply got tired of i
The new MBs have a odd shape to the rear window area - kind of a hump - like
the BMWs -
Not a look I care for -
Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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What's the concensus about the Chrysler Pacifica? Just curious - something
about the looks I kinda like. Not in the market for anything - unless I
fall into a W126 300SDL for a super price.
But - *if* I wanted a new car - I might look at the Pacifica.
Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 30
I thought maybe I was the only one who thought they were ugly as hell! The
cars look like they were designed by 8 year olds with ADD.
I thought the Nissan Maxima was nice until my son drove one and said vision
out the back was terrible because the C Pillars were so large.
We had a 97 Chrysle
> <>
>
>
If you are 5'9" and can live with outdated MB technology. I like the
convertible.
RLE
> <>
>
If you are 5'9" and can live with outdated MB technology. I like the
convertible.
RLE
> < something right. Put a decent motor in it and it might be a decent car. Not
> to my
> taste (I strongly prefer my 72 W115 for style), but they gotta sell cars.>>
>
I'll bet you don't know that the 300 is available is Europe with the MB
Bluetec V-6 diesel. But, the Nascar types would go for
> < automotive business it seems like
> showing a profit is the exception.>>
>
I had forgotten that a friend who is a dealer manager told me several years
ago that the merger of the MB and Chrysler finance divisions (like GMAC) was
going to be a cash cow.
RLE
>
>
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:58:08 -0500 "Michael Canfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hey Craig...Maybe I am mistaken but it appears he is looking for a
> manual, AKA FSM, etc., not a manual tranny and engine.Appears he
> already has that fitted into the bus.
>
> Mike
> - Original Mess
> < thumper sound system, yo.>>
>
Don't forget the diamond studded grillz and big gold joolery.
RLE
<>
Similar to a BMW 760IL with dark tinted windows seen around these parts being
driven by small Asian women.
But, the low roof idea is speading, VW now introducing just such a body
style. I think Infiniti (maybe) is going to produce one also. Trendy.
RLE
You are on! Give me a heads up when you are coming up here and I'll meet you at
Tim's for coffee. If it is summer,
I may even bring the Benz. If you come in winter, you will have to settle for
the truck.
Randy
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Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 5:58 PM
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I mean that 300C would have to be the ugliest thing on this planet
Dwight,
I pumped the primer pump, which must have enabled fuel to get past a small
piece of ice or similar obstruction. After doing that, I started the car
normally. Someone submitted teh correct answer within minutes and wins a
free coffee if he comes to my office near the WH. Incorrect answe
an/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Loren Faeth
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It helps if you can read German
www.stern-fahrt.de
Loren Faeth
Hey Craig...Maybe I am mistaken but it appears he is looking for a
manual, AKA FSM, etc., not a manual tranny and engine.Appears he already
has that fitted into the bus.
Mike
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Sent:
I thought that was one of the reasons why some folks change the system to the
newer setup. If I recall there are
kits out there that some swear by and others claim are unnecessary if the
vehicle is in reasonable condition. I
don't drive my car in the cold weather so I have not looked into it clos
Are you sure of that statement Jim? I think that my 76 300D would be
like the knob pull 240 but it uses the key.
I'm not sure, I sold our key-start 240D that had the relay under
the dash. I do know, courtesy of the salt shaker, that our knob
car does not continue to glow while cranking, whereas
So what was the answer to the puzzler? Did I miss something? Not unusual for
me.
Dwight
R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are you sure of that statement Jim? I think that my 76 300D would be like the
> knob pull 240 but it uses the key. Am
> I right or wrong?
>
> Randy
>
> -Or
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:53:11 +0100 "Heitling Maarten"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello, I am searching for engine and gearbox manual for my OM616 engine
> fitted into MB407 bus
>
> Could you help me here?
>From your email address, Maarten, it appears you are in Italy. Most of us
are in th
On my 1983 300TD I can start it as Marshal and Mercedes advise, but it dies
almost immediately unless I depress the fuel pedal enough to keep the tach
at 750 rpm. Hope to change the glow plugs once we thaw out a bit to see if
that solves the problem.
On 2/16/07, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w
Please file regular progress reports so the list can second guess you, er, I
mean offer trenchant and helpful advice/observations.
On 2/16/07, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I forgot to mention, as with any diesel where a tank of fuel sits over one
or more summers, there is a very hig
I was thinking the same thing. With only 1/4 tank of fuel, perhaps a bit of
ice that blocked the flow of fuel was dislodged by action of the primer
pump.
On 2/15/07, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Curt Raymond wrote:
> So I'll be interested in finding what it was that this cured.
>
Randy, you are actually just the SECOND to come up with the correct answer,
after JW Reames. I did not count Marshall because his correct response was
embedded in a learned and exhaustive dissertation on How to Properly
Start Your Mercedes Diesel, which I found extremely enlightening. I also
ye
Are you sure of that statement Jim? I think that my 76 300D would be like the
knob pull 240 but it uses the key. Am
I right or wrong?
Randy
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Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:18 PM
To: Mercedes Dis
I forgot to mention, as with any diesel where a tank of fuel sits over one
or more summers, there is a very high probability of algae in the
tank. Before you crank it, put the shock treatment of algicide (Stanadyne
or equivalent) in the tank and mix it in the best you can. Have a spare
fuel f
I think the PT Cruiser Convertable is uglier...with the top down, it
looks
like a claw foot bathtub on wheels.
More like a claw foot easter basket on wheels.
Doesn't it have a huge 'handle'? And that extremely
high beltline. Bleah.
Modern style: pants _and_ cars that don't fit!
-- Jim
I am wondering if the problem is most likely to be injectors, injector
pump
seals, a compression problem, or something to do with injector pump
adjustment. The fact that it idles so perfectly when first started
seems
strange.
Minor air leak into the fuel system as it warms up?
-- Jim
In a message dated 2/16/2007 5:41:25 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My '83 300D idles very smoothly when started cold. After it's warmed up, it
idles roughly. After 5 or 10 miles on the highway it will sometimes sound
like a cylinder is missing. By the time I g
I'd consider a Crossfire - but that's about it.
I rather like the look of the Dodge Magnum. Have never driven one, so
can't say whether I'd buy one.
Allan
--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just
sit there."
Will Rogers
'90 300D, '87 3
They are horrible cars, I think they look nasty and visibility out of
them, especially the psueo-wagon, is terrible, but they are VERY
popular. Only real problem with them is that joke of a slab of cast
iron, the Hemi. Only Chrysler would dust of a 1951 engine design and
install it new vehicl
"Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> the chrysler 300 is one of the few domestic cars i'd actually buy.
> others include the ford focus, Jeep Cherokee (still made?), and
> that's about it.
>
> got any others?
I rather like the look of the Dodge Magnum. Have never driven one, so
can't say w
Congratualtions. Some very nice pictures!
Chris
Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A mercedes driver for sure. Happy to see
Mom and baby are good. Looks
like you found the prime baby lodging spot -- on Papa's chest while the
world dozes.
Congrats
On Feb 14, 2007, at 7:51 AM, Ti
I kinda like mine with scissor doors, 22s, black window tint, and a big
thumper sound system, yo.
--R
"...that 300C would have to be the ugliest thing on the planet (it's like a
shoebox on
wheels)"
Hendrik mentioned:
"but the perception of
quality is there."
Lately, it seems, in all aspects of life perception is reality
Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 167K
'87 Acura Legend 182K
Litchfield Park, AZ
Hendrik told us:
"The sooner Daimler-Benz gets rid of Chrysler, the better. I mean, that 300C
would have to be the ugliest thing on the planet (it's like a shoebox on
wheels)"
I think the PT Cruiser Convertable is uglier...with the top down, it looks
like a claw foot bathtub on wheels.
Bob Re
The cherokee (XJ) went away in 2001. It was "replaced" by the jeep liberty
(sold as cherokee in outside the US) in 2002. (The liberty has a non-solid
front axle and an front pumpkin). I seem to recall that the "reason" was
noise about the I6 powertrain not meeting emissions specs or somesuc
The Grand Cherokee is still made - we own 2.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
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On Behalf Of Sunil Hari
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:17 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB & Chrysle
My '83 300D idles very smoothly when started cold. After it's warmed up, it
idles roughly. After 5 or 10 miles on the highway it will sometimes sound
like a cylinder is missing. By the time I get home and crack the injector
lines, it is always idling better. I took along wrenches and cracked t
the chrysler 300 is one of the few domestic cars i'd actually buy. others
include the ford focus, Jeep Cherokee (still made?), and that's about it.
got any others?
On 2/16/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> As to the 300C, have you ever seen one? I wonder
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> As to the 300C, have you ever seen one? I wonder.
> Around here, they have sold well and I think it's because off their unusual
> design.
Every time I see a 300 or newer Caddy, I think "rolling bunker".
Those windows look like gun slits to me. And what do the smaller
Engine is still original , never been resleeved. Has been rebored to
91.5mm and block skimmed . Gap in a few spots as viewed at cyl head end
of block is probably < 0.1 mm in a few places.
PEter
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> Hendrik Reissen'd
>
> <>
> You know, I really don't know why you are so excited about anything they
> do, considering that you are not a Mercedes customer. Perhaps you have stock
> in
> the company? Unless you have purchased a new car from an MB dealer or buy
> your parts from one, you are
Correct. The OM621 200D owner's manual says crank for 30 seconds, then
wait a minute or two, then glow and crank again. 30 seconds is a long
time. If I get one firing on 1 cylinder, I will stay on it until the
engine starts or the battery dies.
At 09:18 PM 2/15/2007, you wrote:
> I continu
I'd like one for fun, but not for that kind of money. old limos are about
$2500 to maybe $5k
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--
Luther KB5QHUAlma
Yep, what they said. Other than the series plugs, it is for all practical
maintenance purposes, the same as an OM616 The 190Dc is a 3 main
crank. What's that? 621.912? I forget. The 200D engine is a 5 main. I
think that is 621.915. Valve clearances, as Peter and Marshall said, are
the sam
I need this car!!!
Too bad I can't afford it.
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
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'87 300SDL (271,xxx mi) head case?
'83 300SD (242 kmi) for sale
'82 300CD (163 kmi)
'82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine
'
I continue to be dumbfounded that almost nobody follows Mercedes'
recommendation that once you start cranking, KEEP cranking until the
engine starts - DO NOT STOP CRANKING - DO NOT TRY A SECOND TIME
I would modify this for an older knob-start machine, as they shut
of GP current while cranking.
So... how to test series plugs? Pull them and check
resistance/brokenness individually? Or as an easier alternative, maybe
check volatage to ground along the glow string with the knob pulled
out,
and look for voltage to drop to zero at the bad plug/resistor wire?
You initially probe between
Peter Frederick wrote:
Best way to check the GP is with a volt meter with the knob pulled out
to glow position. There is no fuse. Most likely you have an open GP
somewhere, or the ground wire is corroded off (at #1). There are two
resistor links, the zigzag ones that get hot when the GP are
Best way to check the GP is with a volt meter with the knob pulled out
to glow position. There is no fuse. Most likely you have an open GP
somewhere, or the ground wire is corroded off (at #1). There are two
resistor links, the zigzag ones that get hot when the GP are working,
so be careful,
is this at the museum?
tom savage wrote:
I'm going to attempt to resurrect a '65 190Dc in the next week or so.
The car is unbelievably clean and all original but hasn't been run in
many years. I'm not familiar with these older diesels and have only
looked at the car for about five minutes so
I'm going to attempt to resurrect a '65 190Dc in the next week or so.
The car is unbelievably clean and all original but hasn't been run in
many years. I'm not familiar with these older diesels and have only
looked at the car for about five minutes so far but have confirmed that
the glow plugs
Yep, I forgot - it was in the 190E.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
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On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 6:38 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] DaimlerChry
Actually that was first introduced on the 201 in 83
Tom Hargrave wrote:
By the way, the 300C is one of their best selling vehicles. Take one for a
drive & you'll see why. The car is a mix of Chrysler & Mercedes technology &
it handles as well as or better than and Mercedes I've ever driven. It
Curt Raymond wrote:
So I'll be interested in finding what it was that this cured.
Wondering if you've either got a leak in a fuel line or a bad fuel filter.
That car should definately start at 17 degrees, the windchill does NOT lower
the temp.
But just a little water in the fuel line or filt
Actually, my Wife works for the company & we've been analyzing a mix of
public & insider info.
The real issue is not incompetence. The real issue is the unfair advantage
that the Japanese and Koreans have right now. Over $2,000.00 of the
manufacturing cost of a Ford, GM or Chrysler vehicle is spen
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