Re: [MBZ] Socialism
Moore used Canada, Great Britain, France and Cuba's health systems as examples of ones where the collective pays for the individual to get treated for medical problems. According to him all those countries peoples have a longer life expectancy than those in the US and lower infant mortality (although according to the WHO statistics Cuba is lower than the US). Of course you can't entirely blame the health system on this but it makes you wonder if a profit driven system is a good idea. From memory the US is ranked 37 on the list of good health care systems, whilst expenditure per capita is number 1. http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html Also spends the second most as a % of GDP http://www.photius.com/rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html So this leads me to think that money is not the problem but how and on what it is spend in the system. Whilst Australia is ranked 29 in the % of GDP and 17 in per capita and the overall rank in 2000 was 32 but number 2 in life expectancy. I can understand Japan being number one in the life expectancy rank, probably due to diet and genetics but Australia is a mixed bag (as the US is) and our indigenous population has a shocking life expectancy rate. Hendrik who is not a statistician harry watkins wrote: The medical system we have allows for constant improvements that lead to longer life, I think statistics will attest to that. Putting it under government control will stifle the progress we expect. It seems that the USA is the place to go for the best medical care in the world and people from all over the world show up here when they can afford the best. Every time we open the gates, people come in, very few go out. I've been around for a long time, I've lived in large and small cities and towns. I have never heard or seen of one of these terrible situations where someone suffers because treatment was refused in areas where I've been, have you? Anyone on this list that knows of those things happening, I wish you would share the stories with us. Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
Interesting read but more left wing loony stuff no doubt http://allcountries.org/health/usa_health_care_2008_nyt.html Hendrik Fay wrote: Moore used Canada, Great Britain, France and Cuba's health systems as examples of ones where the collective pays for the individual to get treated for medical problems. According to him all those countries peoples have a longer life expectancy than those in the US and lower infant mortality (although according to the WHO statistics Cuba is lower than the US). Of course you can't entirely blame the health system on this but it makes you wonder if a profit driven system is a good idea. From memory the US is ranked 37 on the list of good health care systems, whilst expenditure per capita is number 1. http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html Also spends the second most as a % of GDP http://www.photius.com/rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html So this leads me to think that money is not the problem but how and on what it is spend in the system. Whilst Australia is ranked 29 in the % of GDP and 17 in per capita and the overall rank in 2000 was 32 but number 2 in life expectancy. I can understand Japan being number one in the life expectancy rank, probably due to diet and genetics but Australia is a mixed bag (as the US is) and our indigenous population has a shocking life expectancy rate. Hendrik who is not a statistician ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MM
Hursty isn't as annoying. Bob E -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MM Moore is actually Hurst, but he used a screen name. On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote: Well the only way to have any sort of opinion of him is to watch his movies. Yeah I know the talkback Nazis are saying he is the devil and the hat hides his horns. As a interesting note, towards the end of the movie Moore makes mention of an website set up by an individual to attack Moore and his views, now the funny part was that this individuals missus gets sick and he can't afford to keep the website running. Anyway the appeal goes out to all the good people who subscribe to his point of view and you know what, Moore anonymously sends this bloke a cheque for 12K to pay for the medical costs. Sure Moore might well have done this with the movie in mind because he does use it to his advantage to portray himself to have the high moral ground. If he was half decent he would have used the illness of the webmasters missus as an example of the state of the health system, send him an anonymous cheque but NOT then turn around and tell the world about it. So yeah, the bloke is a self serving A hole but this is not about him but your right to decent and fair health care. Hendrik Rich Thomas wrote: MM made a movie some years ago called Roger and Me, about Lansing MI with the car companies in the dumps, and bashing Roger Smith who at the time was pres of GM. I don't really know that much about Roger Smith, whether he deserved the bashing or not (he probably did given GMs general performance over the years). After MM's other movies came out (the Columbine one, and wasn't there another one? a global warming thing or something?) it got me thinking about Roger and Me. At the time I first saw it I thought it was pretty funny, making some people look like fools for their situations and behaviors. Then thinking about it more (being older and maybe a slight bit wiser) I realized that it was a really mean movie, mocking people for how they were and making no so subtle fun of them for how they were trying to get by the situation. It was using them to try to make a point about the car company, but in so doing it sorta lumped them into this screed about people who were clearly not as smart as MM. I think all his other movies are sorta in the same vein, look how smart I Michael Moore am, and all these other people are just really stupid for not seeing things the way I do. Since I haven't really seen any of his other stuff I have no idea what their contents are, so can't comment on his politics or anything else in that regard. But I do know that in that first movie, which apparently encouraged him to make more in the same vein, he was just a very low and mean person. Maybe that is OK if you agree with his messages, but it is not very nice. I guess that is saying something about his politics, but more about the person. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Preserving hydraulics
I am busy stripping a W123 and would like some advice on the preservation storage of brake hydraulic components . Can I use paraffin or ATF in the hydraulics to prevent corrosion? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT VHS to DVD
And also LP to digital for those who were discussing a few weeks back. http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/11/vhs-to-dvd-on-the-cheap/ --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
I think Mr. Moore is pretty credible on healthcare. I worked in the healthcare field for close to 20 years, ended up a whistleblower on fraud and corruption. Remember the insurance company hitman in Sicko who explained how insurance companies bumped people off their policies to avoid paying big-ticket claims? That was me. And I stand by what I said. Lee Hendrik Fay wrote: Moore used Canada, Great Britain, France and Cuba's health systems as examples of ones where the collective pays for the individual to get treated for medical problems. According to him all those countries peoples have a longer life expectancy than those in the US and lower infant mortality (although according to the WHO statistics Cuba is lower than the US). Of course you can't entirely blame the health system on this but it makes you wonder if a profit driven system is a good idea. From memory the US is ranked 37 on the list of good health care systems, whilst expenditure per capita is number 1. http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html Also spends the second most as a % of GDP http://www.photius.com/rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html So this leads me to think that money is not the problem but how and on what it is spend in the system. Whilst Australia is ranked 29 in the % of GDP and 17 in per capita and the overall rank in 2000 was 32 but number 2 in life expectancy. I can understand Japan being number one in the life expectancy rank, probably due to diet and genetics but Australia is a mixed bag (as the US is) and our indigenous population has a shocking life expectancy rate. Hendrik who is not a statistician harry watkins wrote: The medical system we have allows for constant improvements that lead to longer life, I think statistics will attest to that. Putting it under government control will stifle the progress we expect. It seems that the USA is the place to go for the best medical care in the world and people from all over the world show up here when they can afford the best. Every time we open the gates, people come in, very few go out. I've been around for a long time, I've lived in large and small cities and towns. I have never heard or seen of one of these terrible situations where someone suffers because treatment was refused in areas where I've been, have you? Anyone on this list that knows of those things happening, I wish you would share the stories with us. Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
I see that many on this thread are arguing from ideology rather than data. Perhaps the most important fact is that under the U.S. system millions of people have no coverage at all. And an estimated 18,000 per year join the choir celestial due to lack of access to health care. And this does not even include deaths by denial inflicted by insurance companies. This all despite the fact that the U.S. pays twice as much per capita for healthcare as any other country. Twice as much, PER CAPITA, and millions of people have no coverage. So in millions of cases, we are paying twice as much for nothing at all. harry watkins wrote: The medical system we have allows for constant improvements that lead to longer life, I think statistics will attest to that. Putting it under government control will stifle the progress we expect. It seems that the USA is the place to go for the best medical care in the world and people from all over the world show up here when they can afford the best. Every time we open the gates, people come in, very few go out. I've been around for a long time, I've lived in large and small cities and towns. I have never heard or seen of one of these terrible situations where someone suffers because treatment was refused in areas where I've been, have you? Anyone on this list that knows of those things happening, I wish you would share the stories with us. Harry - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:08 AM Subject: [MBZ] Socialism Yes but a Government is charged with looking after ALL it's citizens. Plenty of use think that it is, in fact, not. At the start of the movie Moore showed a bloke putting stitches in his knee because he has no health insurance, are you saying that he would have gotten treated at the local hospital for free? As I understand it, yes. I do believe there is a system in place called unemployment benefits which enable those with no means to buy food, although if they do or not is questionable. Those are State-run, not Federal, and such benefits are limited to those who have been employed. Also, they run out, and there are often strings attached. All as it should be, IMHO. I don't believe in funding charity at the point of a gun, which is what any State-run program is. Our system is badly broken, but I haven't seen any other system that I believe is fundamentally better, all things considered. I think that what we just signed up for, a Health Savings Account in conjunction with a high deductible, is one of the better ideas I've heard about. What we _need_, is a health care system that encourages competition, and thus the application of everybody's brain, rather than some hidden somebody-else-pays-except-that-it's-really-me-if-you-dig-deep-enough kind of system. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MM
I live in a country where there is a national health care system, as well as welfare and other social safety nets. One of the negative aspects of having such systems in place, or so I've observed over my life, is such systems do seem to remove some of the compassion from society. I know that may sounds strange, as one of the reasons for setting up these systems in the first place, and I'm sure it was at the time, was in the name of compassion for your fellow man and woman. Prior to these social safety nets, those in need very much relied on the true compassion of his fellow man, not so much the nation as a faceless whole, but neighbours, friends, religious organizations, etc. The system, while provided a level of care now, has in may ways removed the element of compassion, and in fact, has allowed many to wash their hands of any fellow human in need. The attitude is often very much, I pay my taxes for these things, there are systems in place. I've done my bit, no longer my responsibility. It is often viewed, anyone how in need of medical care, is hungry, homeless, or in need, is in that situation by choice. I'm not advocating removing all our social systems, I'm just saying, making all things available to all people through government plans does not always make for the most compassionate society. In that sense, these programmes have often become counter productive, creating the opposite effect within society to the moral values on which they were founded. It's not a system that promotes people to strive hard to rise above their current situations either, but that's another topic. Just my personal observation. Ed 300E 2008/12/12 Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au Yes it was a con job for the movie, Moore even showed the email of gratitude the bloke wrote to the anonymous benefactor. That shows a lack of compassion and was perhaps what he was after. That is sort of like kicking a man when he is down. Question is would that fella with the sick wife have cashed the cheque if he knew from whom it was? Thanks to Moore's cunning we'll never know. Hendrik E M wrote: Sends the check anonymously to pay for the medical expenses, and yet we all know about it. Hmmm? Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E for Zippy
Sounds pretty good to me. I didn't notice the mileage stated? Things needing attention sound easy enough to repair. Wonder what the story is on the front bumper? High curb in a parking lot, or something a bit more? Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Luther benz-n-h...@gulseth.net it needs work. I sent the guy a message early this morning, no reply yet what about this? http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/930213506.html Luther Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Original Message Subject: 86 Mercedes Benz 300E - $1400 (Fort Smith) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:48:21 GMT From: ka...@striplin.net To: ka...@striplin.net ka...@striplin.net has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. 86 Mercedes Benz 300E Reply to: sale-954472...@craigslist.org mailto:sale-954472...@craigslist.org Date: 2008-12-11, 6:20PM 1986 MB 300E, Runs, needs some work. Nice looking car. Gasoline 6 cyl. $1,400 OBO. * Location: Fort Smith * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL:http://fortsmith.craigslist.org/cto/954472150.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/sF2aAJWZyR3csBXau4Wa0VmbN / -- -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
Jim Cathey wrote: At the start of the movie Moore showed a bloke putting stitches in his knee because he has no health insurance, are you saying that he would have gotten treated at the local hospital for free? As I understand it, yes. Jim, that is a popular misconception. People get wheeled to the curb with unset broken limbs every day in this country because they can't pay and have no insurance. Federal law requires hospitals to treat you if your condition is life-threatening and you are not stabilized - for example, it would be illegal to kick you to the curb while you were having a stroke or a heart attack. The guy sewing his leg up was hurting and needed medical care but was in no danger of bleeding out. He would not have gotten free treatment in a U.S. hospital. In fact, if you do not have insurance, you do not get free treatment, period. The hospital will still come after you for payment, send you to a collection agency, etc. If in the end they are unable to collect from any payment source, that is when it turns out to be free. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
Part of the medical cost issue is a result of our horribly litigious society. It's to the point where doctors will order a ton of tests for the most insignificant malady just to protect themselves from litigation. Certainly there should be some sort of mechanism for righting wrongs in the health care system, but I also believe that doctors need some sort of protection from the ridiculous claims that are often made against them. Along with that, I think people have to understand that medical science is not perfect and never will be. Unless they are convinced that their care provider is doing their best to care for them, there will always be those who go after the care provider for the most insignificant issues. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Socialism To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 2:06 AM The medical system we have allows for constant improvements that lead to longer life, I think statistics will attest to that. Putting it under government control will stifle the progress we expect. It seems that the USA is the place to go for the best medical care in the world and people from all over the world show up here when they can afford the best. Every time we open the gates, people come in, very few go out. I've been around for a long time, I've lived in large and small cities and towns. I have never heard or seen of one of these terrible situations where someone suffers because treatment was refused in areas where I've been, have you? Anyone on this list that knows of those things happening, I wish you would share the stories with us. Harry - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:08 AM Subject: [MBZ] Socialism Yes but a Government is charged with looking after ALL it's citizens. Plenty of use think that it is, in fact, not. At the start of the movie Moore showed a bloke putting stitches in his knee because he has no health insurance, are you saying that he would have gotten treated at the local hospital for free? As I understand it, yes. I do believe there is a system in place called unemployment benefits which enable those with no means to buy food, although if they do or not is questionable. Those are State-run, not Federal, and such benefits are limited to those who have been employed. Also, they run out, and there are often strings attached. All as it should be, IMHO. I don't believe in funding charity at the point of a gun, which is what any State-run program is. Our system is badly broken, but I haven't seen any other system that I believe is fundamentally better, all things considered. I think that what we just signed up for, a Health Savings Account in conjunction with a high deductible, is one of the better ideas I've heard about. What we _need_, is a health care system that encourages competition, and thus the application of everybody's brain, rather than some hidden somebody-else-pays-except-that-it's-really-me-if-you-dig-deep-enough kind of system. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
I believe Mr. Moore doesn't have a full or proper understanding of the medical system here. Doctor's are self employed, see patients, and then bill the government for their services, on a pre set price depending on the service provided. Doctors see as many patients as they can, as they are working very much on a profit basis. This system also means, regardless of a doctors skill, he more or less charges, and is paid the same amount. It is also very much a revolving door service at most doctors offices, as the fee per visit is set, no extra chit chat. I think there are many reasons for longer life expectency in some of the countries mentioned. Less over eating, more physically active, and other lifestyle choices. It would be a mistake to think in such countries as Canada, all medical needs are covered. They are not!! Waiting times for much needed tests are often long, and many medications are not covered, and are paid out of pocket. Like the US, there is always a way, but it's often the middle class that gets shafted. I think one very important factor to look at when talking about all these different systems, is their sustainability, the models on which they are built. I don't think any one system is perfect, but is the model on which they were built solid, and sustainable? Again, while in the US, I don't think it's a perfect system, they can probably keep it going as it, which serves and has served the majority of Americans very well over the years. In Canada, the system was what I believe the best in the world at one time, but the model on which it was built no longer exists. It's failing, the numbers no longer work. It's like a sinking ship and we're bailing water with a spoon. What we need is a new ship, and what the government is convinced we need, is a bigger spoon. I believe we will move more towards a system like the UK, allowing a mixture of what we currently have, and allowing private. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au Moore used Canada, Great Britain, France and Cuba's health systems as examples of ones where the collective pays for the individual to get treated for medical problems. According to him all those countries peoples have a longer life expectancy than those in the US and lower infant mortality (although according to the WHO statistics Cuba is lower than the US). Of course you can't entirely blame the health system on this but it makes you wonder if a profit driven system is a good idea. From memory the US is ranked 37 on the list of good health care systems, whilst expenditure per capita is number 1. http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html Also spends the second most as a % of GDP http://www.photius.com/rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html So this leads me to think that money is not the problem but how and on what it is spend in the system. Whilst Australia is ranked 29 in the % of GDP and 17 in per capita and the overall rank in 2000 was 32 but number 2 in life expectancy. I can understand Japan being number one in the life expectancy rank, probably due to diet and genetics but Australia is a mixed bag (as the US is) and our indigenous population has a shocking life expectancy rate. Hendrik who is not a statistician harry watkins wrote: The medical system we have allows for constant improvements that lead to longer life, I think statistics will attest to that. Putting it under government control will stifle the progress we expect. It seems that the USA is the place to go for the best medical care in the world and people from all over the world show up here when they can afford the best. Every time we open the gates, people come in, very few go out. I've been around for a long time, I've lived in large and small cities and towns. I have never heard or seen of one of these terrible situations where someone suffers because treatment was refused in areas where I've been, have you? Anyone on this list that knows of those things happening, I wish you would share the stories with us. Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MM
Ed, Do consider that most of our assistance programs are there for people who truly have a need, not to be taken advantage of. Sadly, many people look to them as a form of a handout rather than a hand up, as they were originally intended. They are getting better in some ways, as in the state of Wisconsin where I once lived, where to participate in such programs you have to work or provide some sort of service to the State, no matter how minor. Rather than the programs causing people to coast along and do nothing to improve their situation, the state has forced them to do so if they want to receive benefits. Some say it's unfair or cruel, but I think it's a wonderful approach to returning people's dignity and feelings of value and self worth, so that they can once again become contributors to society. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 10:23 AM I live in a country where there is a national health care system, as well as welfare and other social safety nets. One of the negative aspects of having such systems in place, or so I've observed over my life, is such systems do seem to remove some of the compassion from society. I know that may sounds strange, as one of the reasons for setting up these systems in the first place, and I'm sure it was at the time, was in the name of compassion for your fellow man and woman. Prior to these social safety nets, those in need very much relied on the true compassion of his fellow man, not so much the nation as a faceless whole, but neighbours, friends, religious organizations, etc. The system, while provided a level of care now, has in may ways removed the element of compassion, and in fact, has allowed many to wash their hands of any fellow human in need. The attitude is often very much, I pay my taxes for these things, there are systems in place. I've done my bit, no longer my responsibility. It is often viewed, anyone how in need of medical care, is hungry, homeless, or in need, is in that situation by choice. I'm not advocating removing all our social systems, I'm just saying, making all things available to all people through government plans does not always make for the most compassionate society. In that sense, these programmes have often become counter productive, creating the opposite effect within society to the moral values on which they were founded. It's not a system that promotes people to strive hard to rise above their current situations either, but that's another topic. Just my personal observation. Ed 300E 2008/12/12 Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au Yes it was a con job for the movie, Moore even showed the email of gratitude the bloke wrote to the anonymous benefactor. That shows a lack of compassion and was perhaps what he was after. That is sort of like kicking a man when he is down. Question is would that fella with the sick wife have cashed the cheque if he knew from whom it was? Thanks to Moore's cunning we'll never know. Hendrik E M wrote: Sends the check anonymously to pay for the medical expenses, and yet we all know about it. Hmmm? Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics
Peter, Try and find some preservative oil, known around these parts by the brand name Cosmoline. This, along with heavy brown paper soaked in the same, is often used for long term storage of metal parts. You basically spray the stuff all over the part and wrap it up in brown paper. I'm sure there are similar preservative sprays available in your part of the world. Try a marine engine supplier - they would have something, I'm sure. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 9:36 AM I am busy stripping a W123 and would like some advice on the preservation storage of brake hydraulic components . Can I use paraffin or ATF in the hydraulics to prevent corrosion? Peter ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MM
he still needs to put on a few pounds to be me. i tend to like michael moore though. On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: Moore is actually Hurst, but he used a screen name. On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Well the only way to have any sort of opinion of him is to watch his movies. Yeah I know the talkback Nazis are saying he is the devil and the hat hides his horns. As a interesting note, towards the end of the movie Moore makes mention of an website set up by an individual to attack Moore and his views, now the funny part was that this individuals missus gets sick and he can't afford to keep the website running. Anyway the appeal goes out to all the good people who subscribe to his point of view and you know what, Moore anonymously sends this bloke a cheque for 12K to pay for the medical costs. Sure Moore might well have done this with the movie in mind because he does use it to his advantage to portray himself to have the high moral ground. If he was half decent he would have used the illness of the webmasters missus as an example of the state of the health system, send him an anonymous cheque but NOT then turn around and tell the world about it. So yeah, the bloke is a self serving A hole but this is not about him but your right to decent and fair health care. Hendrik Rich Thomas wrote: MM made a movie some years ago called Roger and Me, about Lansing MI with the car companies in the dumps, and bashing Roger Smith who at the time was pres of GM. I don't really know that much about Roger Smith, whether he deserved the bashing or not (he probably did given GMs general performance over the years). After MM's other movies came out (the Columbine one, and wasn't there another one? a global warming thing or something?) it got me thinking about Roger and Me. At the time I first saw it I thought it was pretty funny, making some people look like fools for their situations and behaviors. Then thinking about it more (being older and maybe a slight bit wiser) I realized that it was a really mean movie, mocking people for how they were and making no so subtle fun of them for how they were trying to get by the situation. It was using them to try to make a point about the car company, but in so doing it sorta lumped them into this screed about people who were clearly not as smart as MM. I think all his other movies are sorta in the same vein, look how smart I Michael Moore am, and all these other people are just really stupid for not seeing things the way I do. Since I haven't really seen any of his other stuff I have no idea what their contents are, so can't comment on his politics or anything else in that regard. But I do know that in that first movie, which apparently encouraged him to make more in the same vein, he was just a very low and mean person. Maybe that is OK if you agree with his messages, but it is not very nice. I guess that is saying something about his politics, but more about the person. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MM
Dan, I agree with what you say, and with what is taking place in Wisconsin. It was suggested here, that those receiving a check from the tax payers, should in some way, if able bodied, give something back. The idea was shot down, with replies of how dare you force someone to do something for their tax payer received cheque. It was humiliating to suggest that those receiving money, do anything in return for it. I was raised in a way, if you got $10 bucks, you gave $12 worth of work for it. My how attitudes have changed. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com Ed, Do consider that most of our assistance programs are there for people who truly have a need, not to be taken advantage of. Sadly, many people look to them as a form of a handout rather than a hand up, as they were originally intended. They are getting better in some ways, as in the state of Wisconsin where I once lived, where to participate in such programs you have to work or provide some sort of service to the State, no matter how minor. Rather than the programs causing people to coast along and do nothing to improve their situation, the state has forced them to do so if they want to receive benefits. Some say it's unfair or cruel, but I think it's a wonderful approach to returning people's dignity and feelings of value and self worth, so that they can once again become contributors to society. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 10:23 AM I live in a country where there is a national health care system, as well as welfare and other social safety nets. One of the negative aspects of having such systems in place, or so I've observed over my life, is such systems do seem to remove some of the compassion from society. I know that may sounds strange, as one of the reasons for setting up these systems in the first place, and I'm sure it was at the time, was in the name of compassion for your fellow man and woman. Prior to these social safety nets, those in need very much relied on the true compassion of his fellow man, not so much the nation as a faceless whole, but neighbours, friends, religious organizations, etc. The system, while provided a level of care now, has in may ways removed the element of compassion, and in fact, has allowed many to wash their hands of any fellow human in need. The attitude is often very much, I pay my taxes for these things, there are systems in place. I've done my bit, no longer my responsibility. It is often viewed, anyone how in need of medical care, is hungry, homeless, or in need, is in that situation by choice. I'm not advocating removing all our social systems, I'm just saying, making all things available to all people through government plans does not always make for the most compassionate society. In that sense, these programmes have often become counter productive, creating the opposite effect within society to the moral values on which they were founded. It's not a system that promotes people to strive hard to rise above their current situations either, but that's another topic. Just my personal observation. Ed 300E 2008/12/12 Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au Yes it was a con job for the movie, Moore even showed the email of gratitude the bloke wrote to the anonymous benefactor. That shows a lack of compassion and was perhaps what he was after. That is sort of like kicking a man when he is down. Question is would that fella with the sick wife have cashed the cheque if he knew from whom it was? Thanks to Moore's cunning we'll never know. Hendrik E M wrote: Sends the check anonymously to pay for the medical expenses, and yet we all know about it. Hmmm? Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
All the howling and insurance company advertising aside, my experience with the Ontario single payer plan was quite good -- at least for my friends and colleagues, as I didn't use it in the three years I was there. My taxes were lower in Canda, too. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 3:09 AM, Hendrik Fay wrote: Interesting read but more left wing loony stuff no doubt http:// allcountries.org/health/usa_health_care_2008_nyt.html Hendrik Fay wrote: Moore used Canada, Great Britain, France and Cuba's health systems as examples of ones where the collective pays for the individual to get treated for medical problems. According to him all those countries peoples have a longer life expectancy than those in the US and lower infant mortality (although according to the WHO statistics Cuba is lower than the US). Of course you can't entirely blame the health system on this but it makes you wonder if a profit driven system is a good idea. From memory the US is ranked 37 on the list of good health care systems, whilst expenditure per capita is number 1. http:// www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html Also spends the second most as a % of GDP http://www.photius.com/ rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html So this leads me to think that money is not the problem but how and on what it is spend in the system. Whilst Australia is ranked 29 in the % of GDP and 17 in per capita and the overall rank in 2000 was 32 but number 2 in life expectancy. I can understand Japan being number one in the life expectancy rank, probably due to diet and genetics but Australia is a mixed bag (as the US is) and our indigenous population has a shocking life expectancy rate. Hendrik who is not a statistician ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics
Isn't cosmoline the product used in the engine bay of our cars when they leave the factory. Kind of a yellowy waxy looking coating? Drop LarryT a note, I think he has some stuff from England which is similar and may fit the bill. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com Peter, Try and find some preservative oil, known around these parts by the brand name Cosmoline. This, along with heavy brown paper soaked in the same, is often used for long term storage of metal parts. You basically spray the stuff all over the part and wrap it up in brown paper. I'm sure there are similar preservative sprays available in your part of the world. Try a marine engine supplier - they would have something, I'm sure. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 9:36 AM I am busy stripping a W123 and would like some advice on the preservation storage of brake hydraulic components . Can I use paraffin or ATF in the hydraulics to prevent corrosion? Peter ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics
No. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 8:36 AM, Peter Merle wrote: I am busy stripping a W123 and would like some advice on the preservation storage of brake hydraulic components . Can I use paraffin or ATF in the hydraulics to prevent corrosion? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
lol, yes, I would have to agree, if you don't use it, it's one of, if not the very best systems in the world. ;-) All joking aside, it is a very good system, but it is a failing system. Taxes are a tricky thing. We are masters at hiding them, and redirecting them into areas the government feels are in our best interest. We've never shy to borrow a good tax idea here in Canada and make it our own. lol My porsche is also the most fuel efficient and lowest run cost car I've even owned. Mind you, I only drive it a dozen times a year. hee hee. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net All the howling and insurance company advertising aside, my experience with the Ontario single payer plan was quite good -- at least for my friends and colleagues, as I didn't use it in the three years I was there. My taxes were lower in Canda, too. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 3:09 AM, Hendrik Fay wrote: Interesting read but more left wing loony stuff no doubt http:// allcountries.org/health/usa_health_care_2008_nyt.html Hendrik Fay wrote: Moore used Canada, Great Britain, France and Cuba's health systems as examples of ones where the collective pays for the individual to get treated for medical problems. According to him all those countries peoples have a longer life expectancy than those in the US and lower infant mortality (although according to the WHO statistics Cuba is lower than the US). Of course you can't entirely blame the health system on this but it makes you wonder if a profit driven system is a good idea. From memory the US is ranked 37 on the list of good health care systems, whilst expenditure per capita is number 1. http:// www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html Also spends the second most as a % of GDP http://www.photius.com/ rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html So this leads me to think that money is not the problem but how and on what it is spend in the system. Whilst Australia is ranked 29 in the % of GDP and 17 in per capita and the overall rank in 2000 was 32 but number 2 in life expectancy. I can understand Japan being number one in the life expectancy rank, probably due to diet and genetics but Australia is a mixed bag (as the US is) and our indigenous population has a shocking life expectancy rate. Hendrik who is not a statistician ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics
Try some of the companies that advertise in British car mags that offer mail order service. They seem to have a number of great such products. They've had lots of need to develop such products. lol Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net No. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 8:36 AM, Peter Merle wrote: I am busy stripping a W123 and would like some advice on the preservation storage of brake hydraulic components . Can I use paraffin or ATF in the hydraulics to prevent corrosion? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics
The cosmoline I knew was this extremely sticky greasy brownish/black stuff that parts were slathered in, and it took a long time and a lot of solvent to get them cleaned. I think it was nuclear war proof, so after The Big One your stuff would still be fine. Not sure that is what you would want to put inside stuff, though I'm sure it would do a good job. Maybe just some oil all over everything then in a zip-lock bag with the air squeezed out? --R E M wrote: Isn't cosmoline the product used in the engine bay of our cars when they leave the factory. Kind of a yellowy waxy looking coating? Drop LarryT a note, I think he has some stuff from England which is similar and may fit the bill. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com Peter, Try and find some preservative oil, known around these parts by the brand name Cosmoline. This, along with heavy brown paper soaked in the same, is often used for long term storage of metal parts. You basically spray the stuff all over the part and wrap it up in brown paper. I'm sure there are similar preservative sprays available in your part of the world. Try a marine engine supplier - they would have something, I'm sure. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 9:36 AM I am busy stripping a W123 and would like some advice on the preservation storage of brake hydraulic components . Can I use paraffin or ATF in the hydraulics to prevent corrosion? Peter ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
Doesn't surprise me. I lived in Detroit for more than a decade, and the folks over the bridge in Windsor, at least those I spoke to, were really pretty happy with their health insurance. I had a (formerly) Canadian co-worker who had lived under both their system and ours, and she was in retrospect quite appreciative of Canadian health care. What many people don't get is how incredibly lucrative U.S. healthcare is. It is the sixth ranking sector of our economy. A corollary of this is that there is immense money and power behind the preservation of the status quo. What many people also don't get is that the American healthcare system does very well at what it is intended to do - make money. No kidding, I've been there, it is a gravy train second only to petroleum and defense contracting. The problem is, when it is you or your loved one facing a grave illness, you really wish the primary purpose of the system was to save lives and make people better. Lee Peter Frederick wrote: All the howling and insurance company advertising aside, my experience with the Ontario single payer plan was quite good -- at least for my friends and colleagues, as I didn't use it in the three years I was there. My taxes were lower in Canda, too. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 3:09 AM, Hendrik Fay wrote: Interesting read but more left wing loony stuff no doubt http://allcountries.org/health/usa_health_care_2008_nyt.html Hendrik Fay wrote: Moore used Canada, Great Britain, France and Cuba's health systems as examples of ones where the collective pays for the individual to get treated for medical problems. According to him all those countries peoples have a longer life expectancy than those in the US and lower infant mortality (although according to the WHO statistics Cuba is lower than the US). Of course you can't entirely blame the health system on this but it makes you wonder if a profit driven system is a good idea. From memory the US is ranked 37 on the list of good health care systems, whilst expenditure per capita is number 1. http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html Also spends the second most as a % of GDP http://www.photius.com/rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html So this leads me to think that money is not the problem but how and on what it is spend in the system. Whilst Australia is ranked 29 in the % of GDP and 17 in per capita and the overall rank in 2000 was 32 but number 2 in life expectancy. I can understand Japan being number one in the life expectancy rank, probably due to diet and genetics but Australia is a mixed bag (as the US is) and our indigenous population has a shocking life expectancy rate. Hendrik who is not a statistician ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Yes - if he couldn't pay, they are required to provide care. The guy I knew who stitched up his own cuts did it because he didn't want to waste time going to the doctor or hospital I can do it as well as they can. On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Yes but a Government is charged with looking after ALL it's citizens. Sure if you want to choose doctor, hospital and stuff then take out health insurance (which I have and they pay about half the bill of my twice annual teeth cleaning bill because if I get my teeth checked twice a year they may well fork out less than if I let them rot and then need major dental work) but there has to be a safety net of basic medical care for those who can't afford health insurance. Sure if you don't have insurance you can't tell them you want a room in the best hospital and that you don't want that medical student to practice on you but a civilized nation must look after it's weakest. A the start of the movie Moore showed a bloke putting stitches in his knee because he has no health insurance, are you saying that he would have gotten treated at the local hospital for free? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
One thing people often forget, the business of health care is not to find cures, as there is no money to be made it that, the goal is to find ways to manage health problems, over a long period of time. That's where the money is folks. ;-) Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Lee Einer l...@dosmanosjewelry.com Doesn't surprise me. I lived in Detroit for more than a decade, and the folks over the bridge in Windsor, at least those I spoke to, were really pretty happy with their health insurance. I had a (formerly) Canadian co-worker who had lived under both their system and ours, and she was in retrospect quite appreciative of Canadian health care. What many people don't get is how incredibly lucrative U.S. healthcare is. It is the sixth ranking sector of our economy. A corollary of this is that there is immense money and power behind the preservation of the status quo. What many people also don't get is that the American healthcare system does very well at what it is intended to do - make money. No kidding, I've been there, it is a gravy train second only to petroleum and defense contracting. The problem is, when it is you or your loved one facing a grave illness, you really wish the primary purpose of the system was to save lives and make people better. Lee Peter Frederick wrote: All the howling and insurance company advertising aside, my experience with the Ontario single payer plan was quite good -- at least for my friends and colleagues, as I didn't use it in the three years I was there. My taxes were lower in Canda, too. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 3:09 AM, Hendrik Fay wrote: Interesting read but more left wing loony stuff no doubt http://allcountries.org/health/usa_health_care_2008_nyt.html Hendrik Fay wrote: Moore used Canada, Great Britain, France and Cuba's health systems as examples of ones where the collective pays for the individual to get treated for medical problems. According to him all those countries peoples have a longer life expectancy than those in the US and lower infant mortality (although according to the WHO statistics Cuba is lower than the US). Of course you can't entirely blame the health system on this but it makes you wonder if a profit driven system is a good idea. From memory the US is ranked 37 on the list of good health care systems, whilst expenditure per capita is number 1. http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html Also spends the second most as a % of GDP http://www.photius.com/rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html So this leads me to think that money is not the problem but how and on what it is spend in the system. Whilst Australia is ranked 29 in the % of GDP and 17 in per capita and the overall rank in 2000 was 32 but number 2 in life expectancy. I can understand Japan being number one in the life expectancy rank, probably due to diet and genetics but Australia is a mixed bag (as the US is) and our indigenous population has a shocking life expectancy rate. Hendrik who is not a statistician ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
If this were banned (or banned light, where we should take this conversation) I would provide a one-word answer to that first statement, and it would not be balderdash. You insult many many people who are working diligently at curing many diseases, people who have studied for years and years, work many hours often with not that great pay, deal with all kinds of impediments, and yet strive with their whole being to find cures for diseases. That statement is, no disrespect intended to EM, just totally ignorant. --R E M wrote: One thing people often forget, the business of health care is not to find cures, as there is no money to be made it that, the goal is to find ways to manage health problems, over a long period of time. That's where the money is folks. ;-) Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics
No, I believe that's exactly what you describe - a wax-based preservative intended to prevent corrosion, but it's not Cosmoline. Any major engine manufacturer, especially in the industrial engine world, offers some sort of preservative oil for long term storage. I used to use it some years ago with Cummins and John Deere engines. Both companies offered the product, and it was nothing more than a really heavy oil that was really viscous that you sprayed on the exposed metal parts of the engines before you mothballed them. You could probably accomplish the same thing with some machine oil in a spray bottle. As long as the exposed surfaces are covered and there is something to keep the stuff in place (wrapping in some heavy oiled paper, like grocery bags are made of) it should be fine. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 11:09 AM Isn't cosmoline the product used in the engine bay of our cars when they leave the factory. Kind of a yellowy waxy looking coating? Drop LarryT a note, I think he has some stuff from England which is similar and may fit the bill. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com Peter, Try and find some preservative oil, known around these parts by the brand name Cosmoline. This, along with heavy brown paper soaked in the same, is often used for long term storage of metal parts. You basically spray the stuff all over the part and wrap it up in brown paper. I'm sure there are similar preservative sprays available in your part of the world. Try a marine engine supplier - they would have something, I'm sure. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 9:36 AM I am busy stripping a W123 and would like some advice on the preservation storage of brake hydraulic components . Can I use paraffin or ATF in the hydraulics to prevent corrosion? Peter ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: MM
Tommy Thompson, who was governor at the time, got the workfare program started, but I don't know where it's at now. If you were able-bodied you might be picking up trash on the side of state highways, but you were paid a living wage and received benefits. If you were a parent with children you got state provided day care, so that even moms were able to participate without compromising their children's situation. Wisconsin once had a welfare system that was second to none, and the system itself promoted staying in it because of the benefits. Russ Feingold, while a Wisconsin legislator, had his staffers check the Amtrack and Greyhound bus ridership between Chicago and Milwaukee during days that benefits were paid out. Ridership on these two means of transportation spiked on those days, mainly because there were literally thousands of people in the system that didn't even live in the state. The word was that if you were a woman and could get pregnant every two years, you could pull down well over $40k/year in benefits, and that did not include food stamps and WIC. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 11:06 AM Dan, I agree with what you say, and with what is taking place in Wisconsin. It was suggested here, that those receiving a check from the tax payers, should in some way, if able bodied, give something back. The idea was shot down, with replies of how dare you force someone to do something for their tax payer received cheque. It was humiliating to suggest that those receiving money, do anything in return for it. I was raised in a way, if you got $10 bucks, you gave $12 worth of work for it. My how attitudes have changed. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com Ed, Do consider that most of our assistance programs are there for people who truly have a need, not to be taken advantage of. Sadly, many people look to them as a form of a handout rather than a hand up, as they were originally intended. They are getting better in some ways, as in the state of Wisconsin where I once lived, where to participate in such programs you have to work or provide some sort of service to the State, no matter how minor. Rather than the programs causing people to coast along and do nothing to improve their situation, the state has forced them to do so if they want to receive benefits. Some say it's unfair or cruel, but I think it's a wonderful approach to returning people's dignity and feelings of value and self worth, so that they can once again become contributors to society. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 10:23 AM I live in a country where there is a national health care system, as well as welfare and other social safety nets. One of the negative aspects of having such systems in place, or so I've observed over my life, is such systems do seem to remove some of the compassion from society. I know that may sounds strange, as one of the reasons for setting up these systems in the first place, and I'm sure it was at the time, was in the name of compassion for your fellow man and woman. Prior to these social safety nets, those in need very much relied on the true compassion of his fellow man, not so much the nation as a faceless whole, but neighbours, friends, religious organizations, etc. The system, while provided a level of care now, has in may ways removed the element of compassion, and in fact, has allowed many to wash their hands of any fellow human in need. The attitude is often very much, I pay my taxes for these things, there are systems in place. I've done my bit, no longer my responsibility. It is often viewed, anyone how in need of medical care, is hungry, homeless, or in need, is in that situation by choice. I'm not advocating removing all our social systems, I'm just saying, making all things available to all people through government plans does not always make for the most compassionate society. In that sense, these programmes have often become counter productive, creating the opposite effect within society to the moral values on which they were founded. It's not a system that promotes people to strive hard to rise above their current situations either, but that's another topic. Just my personal observation. Ed 300E 2008/12/12 Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au Yes it was a con job for the movie, Moore even showed the email of gratitude the
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
No offense taken in your reply at all Rich. I read and respect your opinion on a number of topics. My opinions, like everyones, are based on personal experience, knowing personally many people in the field of research, and also, depending personally on their work to keep me alive. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net If this were banned (or banned light, where we should take this conversation) I would provide a one-word answer to that first statement, and it would not be balderdash. You insult many many people who are working diligently at curing many diseases, people who have studied for years and years, work many hours often with not that great pay, deal with all kinds of impediments, and yet strive with their whole being to find cures for diseases. That statement is, no disrespect intended to EM, just totally ignorant. --R E M wrote: One thing people often forget, the business of health care is not to find cures, as there is no money to be made it that, the goal is to find ways to manage health problems, over a long period of time. That's where the money is folks. ;-) Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
'Need to bring that Porsche down here and let me exercise it a bit for ya during the winter maybe a dozen times or so; 'keep it outta that nasty salt up there and still have it exercised a bit. I could even fly up there and bring it back, etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Socialism lol, yes, I would have to agree, if you don't use it, it's one of, if not the very best systems in the world. ;-) All joking aside, it is a very good system, but it is a failing system. Taxes are a tricky thing. We are masters at hiding them, and redirecting them into areas the government feels are in our best interest. We've never shy to borrow a good tax idea here in Canada and make it our own. lol My porsche is also the most fuel efficient and lowest run cost car I've even owned. Mind you, I only drive it a dozen times a year. hee hee. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net All the howling and insurance company advertising aside, my experience with the Ontario single payer plan was quite good -- at least for my friends and colleagues, as I didn't use it in the three years I was there. My taxes were lower in Canda, too. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 3:09 AM, Hendrik Fay wrote: Interesting read but more left wing loony stuff no doubt http:// allcountries.org/health/usa_health_care_2008_nyt.html Hendrik Fay wrote: Moore used Canada, Great Britain, France and Cuba's health systems as examples of ones where the collective pays for the individual to get treated for medical problems. According to him all those countries peoples have a longer life expectancy than those in the US and lower infant mortality (although according to the WHO statistics Cuba is lower than the US). Of course you can't entirely blame the health system on this but it makes you wonder if a profit driven system is a good idea. From memory the US is ranked 37 on the list of good health care systems, whilst expenditure per capita is number 1. http:// www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html Also spends the second most as a % of GDP http://www.photius.com/ rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html So this leads me to think that money is not the problem but how and on what it is spend in the system. Whilst Australia is ranked 29 in the % of GDP and 17 in per capita and the overall rank in 2000 was 32 but number 2 in life expectancy. I can understand Japan being number one in the life expectancy rank, probably due to diet and genetics but Australia is a mixed bag (as the US is) and our indigenous population has a shocking life expectancy rate. Hendrik who is not a statistician ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
Wilton, Again, you're very kind in offering to help exercise my cars for me. lol. On the trip down, maybe we could load up the trunk with some used W124 parts. There must be a business model in there somewherea place for Canadian cars to go and relax during the winter months, and a means to transport cheap used Canadian Benz parts to the US. Think we need to crunch some numbers over a couple of iced tea. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.com 'Need to bring that Porsche down here and let me exercise it a bit for ya during the winter maybe a dozen times or so; 'keep it outta that nasty salt up there and still have it exercised a bit. I could even fly up there and bring it back, etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Socialism lol, yes, I would have to agree, if you don't use it, it's one of, if not the very best systems in the world. ;-) All joking aside, it is a very good system, but it is a failing system. Taxes are a tricky thing. We are masters at hiding them, and redirecting them into areas the government feels are in our best interest. We've never shy to borrow a good tax idea here in Canada and make it our own. lol My porsche is also the most fuel efficient and lowest run cost car I've even owned. Mind you, I only drive it a dozen times a year. hee hee. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net All the howling and insurance company advertising aside, my experience with the Ontario single payer plan was quite good -- at least for my friends and colleagues, as I didn't use it in the three years I was there. My taxes were lower in Canda, too. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 3:09 AM, Hendrik Fay wrote: Interesting read but more left wing loony stuff no doubt http:// allcountries.org/health/usa_health_care_2008_nyt.html Hendrik Fay wrote: Moore used Canada, Great Britain, France and Cuba's health systems as examples of ones where the collective pays for the individual to get treated for medical problems. According to him all those countries peoples have a longer life expectancy than those in the US and lower infant mortality (although according to the WHO statistics Cuba is lower than the US). Of course you can't entirely blame the health system on this but it makes you wonder if a profit driven system is a good idea. From memory the US is ranked 37 on the list of good health care systems, whilst expenditure per capita is number 1. http:// www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html Also spends the second most as a % of GDP http://www.photius.com/ rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html So this leads me to think that money is not the problem but how and on what it is spend in the system. Whilst Australia is ranked 29 in the % of GDP and 17 in per capita and the overall rank in 2000 was 32 but number 2 in life expectancy. I can understand Japan being number one in the life expectancy rank, probably due to diet and genetics but Australia is a mixed bag (as the US is) and our indigenous population has a shocking life expectancy rate. Hendrik who is not a statistician ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes: Well that's what I thought but Moore claims that is what happened to one little kid, who was refused and the mother had to drive the kid to the another hospital. Does Moore have this incident on film, or just the mother's claim that she was turned away at hospital #1? Most cities, certainly ALL the large urban areas have county or public hospitals where people are treated regardless of their ability to pay. My brother works in such a hospital, most of the people that come throuh the ER there are treated with full knowledge that they will not pay a dime. Many of these people are also clearly making no effort to take care of themselves -- diabetics or people with hypertension who are 200lbs overweight, etc. There may be private or specialty hospitals where they limit the pro bono care to true emergencies. A kid with a fever would probably not be considered such, again you have to understand that Moore has an agenda with his film and he's definitely picking and choosing stories and presenting only one side in most cases. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
I wouldn't charge much, especially on a fleet basis. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Socialism Wilton, Again, you're very kind in offering to help exercise my cars for me. lol. On the trip down, maybe we could load up the trunk with some used W124 parts. There must be a business model in there somewherea place for Canadian cars to go and relax during the winter months, and a means to transport cheap used Canadian Benz parts to the US. Think we need to crunch some numbers over a couple of iced tea. ;-) hee hee Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.com 'Need to bring that Porsche down here and let me exercise it a bit for ya during the winter maybe a dozen times or so; 'keep it outta that nasty salt up there and still have it exercised a bit. I could even fly up there and bring it back, etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Socialism lol, yes, I would have to agree, if you don't use it, it's one of, if not the very best systems in the world. ;-) All joking aside, it is a very good system, but it is a failing system. Taxes are a tricky thing. We are masters at hiding them, and redirecting them into areas the government feels are in our best interest. We've never shy to borrow a good tax idea here in Canada and make it our own. lol My porsche is also the most fuel efficient and lowest run cost car I've even owned. Mind you, I only drive it a dozen times a year. hee hee. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net All the howling and insurance company advertising aside, my experience with the Ontario single payer plan was quite good -- at least for my friends and colleagues, as I didn't use it in the three years I was there. My taxes were lower in Canda, too. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 3:09 AM, Hendrik Fay wrote: Interesting read but more left wing loony stuff no doubt http:// allcountries.org/health/usa_health_care_2008_nyt.html Hendrik Fay wrote: Moore used Canada, Great Britain, France and Cuba's health systems as examples of ones where the collective pays for the individual to get treated for medical problems. According to him all those countries peoples have a longer life expectancy than those in the US and lower infant mortality (although according to the WHO statistics Cuba is lower than the US). Of course you can't entirely blame the health system on this but it makes you wonder if a profit driven system is a good idea. From memory the US is ranked 37 on the list of good health care systems, whilst expenditure per capita is number 1. http:// www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html Also spends the second most as a % of GDP http://www.photius.com/ rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html So this leads me to think that money is not the problem but how and on what it is spend in the system. Whilst Australia is ranked 29 in the % of GDP and 17 in per capita and the overall rank in 2000 was 32 but number 2 in life expectancy. I can understand Japan being number one in the life expectancy rank, probably due to diet and genetics but Australia is a mixed bag (as the US is) and our indigenous population has a shocking life expectancy rate. Hendrik who is not a statistician ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics
What about the insides of the cylinders ? eg master cylinders - the parts are all operational - I was hoping to keep it all together and not strip the hydraulics Peter 2008/12/13 LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com No, I believe that's exactly what you describe - a wax-based preservative intended to prevent corrosion, but it's not Cosmoline. Any major engine manufacturer, especially in the industrial engine world, offers some sort of preservative oil for long term storage. I used to use it some years ago with Cummins and John Deere engines. Both companies offered the product, and it was nothing more than a really heavy oil that was really viscous that you sprayed on the exposed metal parts of the engines before you mothballed them. You could probably accomplish the same thing with some machine oil in a spray bottle. As long as the exposed surfaces are covered and there is something to keep the stuff in place (wrapping in some heavy oiled paper, like grocery bags are made of) it should be fine. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 11:09 AM Isn't cosmoline the product used in the engine bay of our cars when they leave the factory. Kind of a yellowy waxy looking coating? Drop LarryT a note, I think he has some stuff from England which is similar and may fit the bill. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com Peter, Try and find some preservative oil, known around these parts by the brand name Cosmoline. This, along with heavy brown paper soaked in the same, is often used for long term storage of metal parts. You basically spray the stuff all over the part and wrap it up in brown paper. I'm sure there are similar preservative sprays available in your part of the world. Try a marine engine supplier - they would have something, I'm sure. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 9:36 AM I am busy stripping a W123 and would like some advice on the preservation storage of brake hydraulic components . Can I use paraffin or ATF in the hydraulics to prevent corrosion? Peter ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
OK Don wrote: Yes - if he couldn't pay, they are required to provide care. The guy I knew who stitched up his own cuts did it because he didn't want to waste time going to the doctor or hospital I can do it as well as they can. That's why I cleaned and butterflied my own hand this summer. I pulled it shut without stitches and I thought I could fix it myself without scarring. (wrong, it's a scar, but not as ugly as the last one I had professionally stitched) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Michael Moore's claim, and the mother's, was legit. The mother was turned away with her dying child because she was Kaiser HMO and the nearest hospital was out of network. She begged for them to take care of her baby and they called the cops. By the time the child was transported to an in network hospital further away, it was too late. It was not that the family was indigent, or uninsured. The family was insured through Kaiser Permanente, an HMO. The HMO refused to allow the child to be treated at an out of network hospital, and thus caused her death. It's called death by denial, and its not at all uncommon in the U.S. We're not talking about the uninsured in this case, but people who have insurance and who get the carpet yanked from under them when they actually seek medical treatment. Lee Allan Streib wrote: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes: Well that's what I thought but Moore claims that is what happened to one little kid, who was refused and the mother had to drive the kid to the another hospital. Does Moore have this incident on film, or just the mother's claim that she was turned away at hospital #1? Most cities, certainly ALL the large urban areas have county or public hospitals where people are treated regardless of their ability to pay. My brother works in such a hospital, most of the people that come throuh the ER there are treated with full knowledge that they will not pay a dime. Many of these people are also clearly making no effort to take care of themselves -- diabetics or people with hypertension who are 200lbs overweight, etc. There may be private or specialty hospitals where they limit the pro bono care to true emergencies. A kid with a fever would probably not be considered such, again you have to understand that Moore has an agenda with his film and he's definitely picking and choosing stories and presenting only one side in most cases. Allan -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics
NO petroleum products -- they will eat the rubber. Seal in a plastic bag to keep the water vapor out and avoid condensing condition is about all I would do for short term storage. For long term, you may need to put some dessicant in the bag to absorb water. Best not to store used brake parts unsealed -- the brake fluid will absorb water and cause corrosion. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Peter Merle wrote: What about the insides of the cylinders ? eg master cylinders - the parts are all operational - I was hoping to keep it all together and not strip the hydraulics Peter 2008/12/13 LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com No, I believe that's exactly what you describe - a wax-based preservative intended to prevent corrosion, but it's not Cosmoline. Any major engine manufacturer, especially in the industrial engine world, offers some sort of preservative oil for long term storage. I used to use it some years ago with Cummins and John Deere engines. Both companies offered the product, and it was nothing more than a really heavy oil that was really viscous that you sprayed on the exposed metal parts of the engines before you mothballed them. You could probably accomplish the same thing with some machine oil in a spray bottle. As long as the exposed surfaces are covered and there is something to keep the stuff in place (wrapping in some heavy oiled paper, like grocery bags are made of) it should be fine. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 11:09 AM Isn't cosmoline the product used in the engine bay of our cars when they leave the factory. Kind of a yellowy waxy looking coating? Drop LarryT a note, I think he has some stuff from England which is similar and may fit the bill. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com Peter, Try and find some preservative oil, known around these parts by the brand name Cosmoline. This, along with heavy brown paper soaked in the same, is often used for long term storage of metal parts. You basically spray the stuff all over the part and wrap it up in brown paper. I'm sure there are similar preservative sprays available in your part of the world. Try a marine engine supplier - they would have something, I'm sure. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 9:36 AM I am busy stripping a W123 and would like some advice on the preservation storage of brake hydraulic components . Can I use paraffin or ATF in the hydraulics to prevent corrosion? Peter ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Superglue works great, leaves very little scarring it you get the sides all lined up properly. Not a good idea on very deep cuts though, as you may need more than just sticking the skin back together. Often works better if someone else does the gluing though. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: OK Don wrote: Yes - if he couldn't pay, they are required to provide care. The guy I knew who stitched up his own cuts did it because he didn't want to waste time going to the doctor or hospital I can do it as well as they can. That's why I cleaned and butterflied my own hand this summer. I pulled it shut without stitches and I thought I could fix it myself without scarring. (wrong, it's a scar, but not as ugly as the last one I had professionally stitched) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Insurance companies exist to produce profits for their stockholders, and in the new Ayn Randism world, this is all they are supposed to do. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 1:47 PM, Lee Einer wrote: Michael Moore's claim, and the mother's, was legit. The mother was turned away with her dying child because she was Kaiser HMO and the nearest hospital was out of network. She begged for them to take care of her baby and they called the cops. By the time the child was transported to an in network hospital further away, it was too late. It was not that the family was indigent, or uninsured. The family was insured through Kaiser Permanente, an HMO. The HMO refused to allow the child to be treated at an out of network hospital, and thus caused her death. It's called death by denial, and its not at all uncommon in the U.S. We're not talking about the uninsured in this case, but people who have insurance and who get the carpet yanked from under them when they actually seek medical treatment. Lee Allan Streib wrote: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes: Well that's what I thought but Moore claims that is what happened to one little kid, who was refused and the mother had to drive the kid to the another hospital. Does Moore have this incident on film, or just the mother's claim that she was turned away at hospital #1? Most cities, certainly ALL the large urban areas have county or public hospitals where people are treated regardless of their ability to pay. My brother works in such a hospital, most of the people that come throuh the ER there are treated with full knowledge that they will not pay a dime. Many of these people are also clearly making no effort to take care of themselves -- diabetics or people with hypertension who are 200lbs overweight, etc. There may be private or specialty hospitals where they limit the pro bono care to true emergencies. A kid with a fever would probably not be considered such, again you have to understand that Moore has an agenda with his film and he's definitely picking and choosing stories and presenting only one side in most cases. Allan -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge
dd-wrt This is a linux distro for linksys WRT54GL routers, router is about $45 and with dd-wrt's software it will do wireless bridge as well as a lot of other stuff. For example where I worked they paid $600 for VPN box, dd-wrt does the same $45. Also dd-wrt supports other wireless routers as well. We set up a wireless bridge (wireless back to CAT5) at work to connect remote office space using dd-wrt. Trampas -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Bill R Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:59 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge Thanks for the info Fred. I'm going to try a couple of those homemade WiFi antennas, but I am not anywhere near 300 meters from the other end of the MIL apartment. Thanks - BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of fred.s...@verizon.net Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:46 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge Klattavolk. 300 meters, by the book, unless a router/switch etc is used. Fred Moir Dec 9, 2008 02:47:04 PM, [1]merce...@okiebenz.com wrote: Bill R [2]billr32...@comcast.net said: These are 12db, but are less effective than the short stock ones. I think I am going to give up and install the 250' of CAT5 I have sitting in a box next to my computer. Even CAT5 has limited length on its runs. I'm not sure what it is, offhand. Allan References 1. mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com 2. mailto:billr32...@comcast.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics
Speaking of storing parts. I met a guy, about 15 years ago now, how had a restoration shop that specialized in Bugattis. They restored, and built up a number of cars, using original parts while fabricating all those which were missing. What was it they used to say in the Bugatti Club in England, There are probably 3 times more Bugattis today then were ever left the factory. hee hee. Anyway, he said, if you want to come up and have a look around at the inventory before it goes into longer term storage, please do so. I planned to go, but didn't make it. Lots of original Bugatti parts, most still wrapped in their original Bugatti shipping paper as they left the factory. Not the kinda stuff you find at NAPA. lol The attention to detail on a number of the cars I saw was nothing short of fantastic!!! Right down to sourcing old factory photos they could enlarge, so when recreating body panels, they could get the number, and placement or rivets right! Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net NO petroleum products -- they will eat the rubber. Seal in a plastic bag to keep the water vapor out and avoid condensing condition is about all I would do for short term storage. For long term, you may need to put some dessicant in the bag to absorb water. Best not to store used brake parts unsealed -- the brake fluid will absorb water and cause corrosion. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Peter Merle wrote: What about the insides of the cylinders ? eg master cylinders - the parts are all operational - I was hoping to keep it all together and not strip the hydraulics Peter 2008/12/13 LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com No, I believe that's exactly what you describe - a wax-based preservative intended to prevent corrosion, but it's not Cosmoline. Any major engine manufacturer, especially in the industrial engine world, offers some sort of preservative oil for long term storage. I used to use it some years ago with Cummins and John Deere engines. Both companies offered the product, and it was nothing more than a really heavy oil that was really viscous that you sprayed on the exposed metal parts of the engines before you mothballed them. You could probably accomplish the same thing with some machine oil in a spray bottle. As long as the exposed surfaces are covered and there is something to keep the stuff in place (wrapping in some heavy oiled paper, like grocery bags are made of) it should be fine. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 11:09 AM Isn't cosmoline the product used in the engine bay of our cars when they leave the factory. Kind of a yellowy waxy looking coating? Drop LarryT a note, I think he has some stuff from England which is similar and may fit the bill. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com Peter, Try and find some preservative oil, known around these parts by the brand name Cosmoline. This, along with heavy brown paper soaked in the same, is often used for long term storage of metal parts. You basically spray the stuff all over the part and wrap it up in brown paper. I'm sure there are similar preservative sprays available in your part of the world. Try a marine engine supplier - they would have something, I'm sure. Dan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Preserving hydraulics To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 9:36 AM I am busy stripping a W123 and would like some advice on the preservation storage of brake hydraulic components . Can I use paraffin or ATF in the hydraulics to prevent corrosion? Peter ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
I've heard, not sure if true, Superglue is used during some surgeries. A good doc friend of mine tells me, the knack to a good stitch is not to get the two cut bits butted up together, but to get the two edges kinda upright, and pulled together. I'm told, if they are butted up and stitched, there is often more scar tissue created. Funny the things that come up in conversation after a couple of drinks, eh? lol None of it makes any sense to me, but I did do an ok job once replacing some stitching on a leather steering wheel. hee hee. Oh, and the Christmas Turkey always comes out looking pretty good. ;-) Ed 300E, not a doctor, for which you should all be very grateful. 2008/12/13 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Superglue works great, leaves very little scarring it you get the sides all lined up properly. Not a good idea on very deep cuts though, as you may need more than just sticking the skin back together. Often works better if someone else does the gluing though. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: OK Don wrote: Yes - if he couldn't pay, they are required to provide care. The guy I knew who stitched up his own cuts did it because he didn't want to waste time going to the doctor or hospital I can do it as well as they can. That's why I cleaned and butterflied my own hand this summer. I pulled it shut without stitches and I thought I could fix it myself without scarring. (wrong, it's a scar, but not as ugly as the last one I had professionally stitched) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Cyanoacrylate glue was originally developed for wound closure, and only later became a household fixit material. Lee E M wrote: I've heard, not sure if true, Superglue is used during some surgeries. A good doc friend of mine tells me, the knack to a good stitch is not to get the two cut bits butted up together, but to get the two edges kinda upright, and pulled together. I'm told, if they are butted up and stitched, there is often more scar tissue created. Funny the things that come up in conversation after a couple of drinks, eh? lol None of it makes any sense to me, but I did do an ok job once replacing some stitching on a leather steering wheel. hee hee. Oh, and the Christmas Turkey always comes out looking pretty good. ;-) Ed 300E, not a doctor, for which you should all be very grateful. 2008/12/13 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Superglue works great, leaves very little scarring it you get the sides all lined up properly. Not a good idea on very deep cuts though, as you may need more than just sticking the skin back together. Often works better if someone else does the gluing though. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: OK Don wrote: Yes - if he couldn't pay, they are required to provide care. The guy I knew who stitched up his own cuts did it because he didn't want to waste time going to the doctor or hospital I can do it as well as they can. That's why I cleaned and butterflied my own hand this summer. I pulled it shut without stitches and I thought I could fix it myself without scarring. (wrong, it's a scar, but not as ugly as the last one I had professionally stitched) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Yes - that is true, though I don't know exactly where and for what they use it. Might be gluing the cut ends of arteries together? On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 3:45 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard, not sure if true, Superglue is used during some surgeries. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
The guy sewing his leg up was hurting and needed medical care but was in no danger of bleeding out. He would not have gotten free treatment in a U.S. hospital. In fact, if you do not have insurance, you do not get free treatment, period. The hospital will still come after you for payment, send you to a collection agency, etc. If in the end they are unable to collect from any payment source, that is when it turns out to be free. May send you to a collection agency; Duke, for example, has a massive budget line that pays the hospital's portion for people without health insurance. They're also pretty good about seeing people regardless of condition. I'm sure many other hospitals are set up the same way. I'm under no illusion that's in any way regulated, it's completely the generosity of the Duke board (and Duke is a nonprofit so I'm not saying that's universal either). Doctors' fees etc. are not covered under the system. I agree with you technically, I'm just pointing out that there is institutional generosity at work in at least some cases, one of which was my wife. Now we have an HMO which has actually turned out very well for us. At first I thought this discussion might violate Kaleb's politics ban, but I suppose working on Benzes has sent plenty of folks to the emergency room. I almost was sent there when my wife saw where the W115 spat 3 quarts of oil on the driveway last weekend, but I sanded it down and she's gotten over it. :) -TC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
I punched a small hole in a turn signal with a flying pebble. I was lucky, in that the broken piece of lens was lodged inside, so using superglue, I was able to make a near perfect fix. Ok, so I broke the retaining tangs getting the lens out (amazing how many parts on a Benz are similar to those on an old Mac computer), but I had lots of glue left over, which did a nifty job of fixing that too. :-) Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Lee Einer l...@dosmanosjewelry.com Cyanoacrylate glue was originally developed for wound closure, and only later became a household fixit material. Lee E M wrote: I've heard, not sure if true, Superglue is used during some surgeries. A good doc friend of mine tells me, the knack to a good stitch is not to get the two cut bits butted up together, but to get the two edges kinda upright, and pulled together. I'm told, if they are butted up and stitched, there is often more scar tissue created. Funny the things that come up in conversation after a couple of drinks, eh? lol None of it makes any sense to me, but I did do an ok job once replacing some stitching on a leather steering wheel. hee hee. Oh, and the Christmas Turkey always comes out looking pretty good. ;-) Ed 300E, not a doctor, for which you should all be very grateful. 2008/12/13 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Superglue works great, leaves very little scarring it you get the sides all lined up properly. Not a good idea on very deep cuts though, as you may need more than just sticking the skin back together. Often works better if someone else does the gluing though. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: OK Don wrote: Yes - if he couldn't pay, they are required to provide care. The guy I knew who stitched up his own cuts did it because he didn't want to waste time going to the doctor or hospital I can do it as well as they can. That's why I cleaned and butterflied my own hand this summer. I pulled it shut without stitches and I thought I could fix it myself without scarring. (wrong, it's a scar, but not as ugly as the last one I had professionally stitched) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Peter Frederick wrote: Often works better if someone else does the gluing though. Especially when the hole is in the back of your dominant hand. I felt lucky to get it taped up and straight without wasting any more butterflies than I did. With glue, it's got to be right the first time. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
I've had the wrench slip a few times while working on cars, but I can tell you what, I'm enough of a wuzz that I'd reach for the electric tape or Crazyglue long before I'd start searching around for the home sewing kit! hee hee. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Tim C. bb...@crone.us At first I thought this discussion might violate Kaleb's politics ban, but I suppose working on Benzes has sent plenty of folks to the emergency room. I almost was sent there when my wife saw where the W115 spat 3 quarts of oil on the driveway last weekend, but I sanded it down and she's gotten over it. :) -TC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
You can buy that stuff at the drug store for patching up your bod, it is somehow different from the superglue at Home Depot (someone told me and I forgot how), but does the same thing. Just make sure it is only sticking together what you want stuck together. --R OK Don wrote: Yes - that is true, though I don't know exactly where and for what they use it. Might be gluing the cut ends of arteries together? On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 3:45 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard, not sure if true, Superglue is used during some surgeries. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
This post applies equally to broken turn signals as it does fingers. lol Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Peter Frederick wrote: Often works better if someone else does the gluing though. Especially when the hole is in the back of your dominant hand. I felt lucky to get it taped up and straight without wasting any more butterflies than I did. With glue, it's got to be right the first time. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Cyanoacrylate glue
It failed me today. Some time ago I bought an old (1915?) silver Holton trombone, and it had these little cloth-covered pivoting sticks in the case that hold in the pieces. (Turns out SWMBA never wanted a trombone, only a baritone or tuba.) One of the sticks was broken, and all floppy. I peeled the cloth back from the back side and put cyanoacrylate glue in there, and hit it with the accelerant. It never really set up, and was weak once it did. It broke again immediately. Since the cloth's glue was all old and powdery I just peeled it all off with a knife, then took the stick pieces out into the garage. I used the bandsaw and a piece of walnut branch about 1.5 in diameter to cut a replacement stick. (Mmm, walnut sure smells good to work.) About the same dimensions as a saxophone reed, but thicker and with both ends tapered down thin. After sanding and beveling to match the old stick I drilled a hole in it and glued the cloth back on with contact cement. More bits of wood glued into the hogged-out screw hole in the case (cyanoacrylate worked here) and a replacement washer for the screw and I was back in business. Still looks original, but is better than new in a sense. (Walnut is stronger than the boxwood or whatever the original was.) Gluing is fine, but replacement is even better. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
If it happened as described, it sounds like the hospital did the wrong thing. There are a lot of unanswered questions in my mind but I'll leave it at that. However, I'd wager than in any government-operated heath care plan, such horror stories also can be found, and in greater numbers. Look at the VA. Allan Lee Einer l...@dosmanosjewelry.com writes: Michael Moore's claim, and the mother's, was legit. The mother was turned away with her dying child because she was Kaiser HMO and the nearest hospital was out of network. She begged for them to take care of her baby and they called the cops. By the time the child was transported to an in network hospital further away, it was too late. It was not that the family was indigent, or uninsured. The family was insured through Kaiser Permanente, an HMO. The HMO refused to allow the child to be treated at an out of network hospital, and thus caused her death. It's called death by denial, and its not at all uncommon in the U.S. We're not talking about the uninsured in this case, but people who have insurance and who get the carpet yanked from under them when they actually seek medical treatment. Lee Allan Streib wrote: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes: Well that's what I thought but Moore claims that is what happened to one little kid, who was refused and the mother had to drive the kid to the another hospital. Does Moore have this incident on film, or just the mother's claim that she was turned away at hospital #1? Most cities, certainly ALL the large urban areas have county or public hospitals where people are treated regardless of their ability to pay. My brother works in such a hospital, most of the people that come throuh the ER there are treated with full knowledge that they will not pay a dime. Many of these people are also clearly making no effort to take care of themselves -- diabetics or people with hypertension who are 200lbs overweight, etc. There may be private or specialty hospitals where they limit the pro bono care to true emergencies. A kid with a fever would probably not be considered such, again you have to understand that Moore has an agenda with his film and he's definitely picking and choosing stories and presenting only one side in most cases. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net writes: Insurance companies exist to produce profits for their stockholders, and in the new Ayn Randism world, this is all they are supposed to do. Yes. They are businesses. They provide a service their customers want, and generate a profit for themselves. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
I punched a small hole in a turn signal with a flying pebble. I was lucky, in that the broken piece of lens was lodged inside, so using superglue, I was able to make a near perfect fix. I've never had cyanoacrylate glue hold up on turn signal lenses. It gets white and powdery in the sun. I've had much better luck using 5-minute epoxy (clear) on that. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge
Trampas tst...@nc.rr.com writes: dd-wrt This is a linux distro for linksys WRT54GL routers, router is about $45 and with dd-wrt's software it will do wireless bridge as well as a lot of other stuff. For example where I worked they paid $600 for VPN box, dd-wrt does the same $45. Also dd-wrt supports other wireless routers as well. Yep, I'm using it in my WRT54G to do bridging. Working flawlessly so far (been up for about a week now). The story is interesting -- LinkSys based their firmware on Linux, and so were obligated to provide the source code under the terms of the GPL. The DD-WRT project has enhanced the firmware so that these consumer-grade devices can do a lot of things that commercial networking gear does. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
cures, as there is no money to be made it that, the goal is to find ways to manage health problems, over a long period of time. That's where the money is folks. ;-) So you're saying, every other company in America is managed to get the biggest profit this quarter, without regard to the long term benefit to the company, but pharmaceutical companies are the opposite? If GSK found a one-hit cure for, say, Benz-related injuries, wouldn't they rather have the million-dollar-per payment this quarter from the people who could afford to pay it, instead of the 1.5 million dollars we'll spend in Benz-related care over the next 20-60 years? Perhaps it's sad I think the short-term view is the modus operandi for modern business, but I've seen no evidence to the contrary and a lot in favor, and I would be surprised if pharmaceuticals and oil companies were the only exceptions. -TC Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Lee Einer l...@dosmanosjewelry.com Doesn't surprise me. I lived in Detroit for more than a decade, and the folks over the bridge in Windsor, at least those I spoke to, were really pretty happy with their health insurance. I had a (formerly) Canadian co-worker who had lived under both their system and ours, and she was in retrospect quite appreciative of Canadian health care. What many people don't get is how incredibly lucrative U.S. healthcare is. It is the sixth ranking sector of our economy. A corollary of this is that there is immense money and power behind the preservation of the status quo. What many people also don't get is that the American healthcare system does very well at what it is intended to do - make money. No kidding, I've been there, it is a gravy train second only to petroleum and defense contracting. The problem is, when it is you or your loved one facing a grave illness, you really wish the primary purpose of the system was to save lives and make people better. Lee Peter Frederick wrote: All the howling and insurance company advertising aside, my experience with the Ontario single payer plan was quite good -- at least for my friends and colleagues, as I didn't use it in the three years I was there. My taxes were lower in Canda, too. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 3:09 AM, Hendrik Fay wrote: Interesting read but more left wing loony stuff no doubt http://allcountries.org/health/usa_health_care_2008_nyt.html Hendrik Fay wrote: Moore used Canada, Great Britain, France and Cuba's health systems as examples of ones where the collective pays for the individual to get treated for medical problems. According to him all those countries peoples have a longer life expectancy than those in the US and lower infant mortality (although according to the WHO statistics Cuba is lower than the US). Of course you can't entirely blame the health system on this but it makes you wonder if a profit driven system is a good idea. From memory the US is ranked 37 on the list of good health care systems, whilst expenditure per capita is number 1. http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html Also spends the second most as a % of GDP http://www.photius.com/rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html So this leads me to think that money is not the problem but how and on what it is spend in the system. Whilst Australia is ranked 29 in the % of GDP and 17 in per capita and the overall rank in 2000 was 32 but number 2 in life expectancy. I can understand Japan being number one in the life expectancy rank, probably due to diet and genetics but Australia is a mixed bag (as the US is) and our indigenous population has a shocking life expectancy rate. Hendrik who is not a statistician ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Rich Thomas wrote: You can buy that stuff at the drug store for patching up your bod, it is somehow different from the superglue at Home Depot The way I heard it, the medical grade stuff is pure CA, without any thickeners or preservatives. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge
A lot of my Mac buddies swear by the WRT54GL for just this reason - there are boatloads of hacks and other tweaks out there from folks who mess around with this stuff. MacDan --- On Sat, 12/13/08, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 5:34 PM Trampas tst...@nc.rr.com writes: dd-wrt This is a linux distro for linksys WRT54GL routers, router is about $45 and with dd-wrt's software it will do wireless bridge as well as a lot of other stuff. For example where I worked they paid $600 for VPN box, dd-wrt does the same $45. Also dd-wrt supports other wireless routers as well. Yep, I'm using it in my WRT54G to do bridging. Working flawlessly so far (been up for about a week now). The story is interesting -- LinkSys based their firmware on Linux, and so were obligated to provide the source code under the terms of the GPL. The DD-WRT project has enhanced the firmware so that these consumer-grade devices can do a lot of things that commercial networking gear does. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wireless bridge
Keep it cool, it might need a fan if it doesn't have plenty of ventilation. Luther Allan Streib wrote: Trampas tst...@nc.rr.com writes: dd-wrt This is a linux distro for linksys WRT54GL routers, router is about $45 and with dd-wrt's software it will do wireless bridge as well as a lot of other stuff. For example where I worked they paid $600 for VPN box, dd-wrt does the same $45. Also dd-wrt supports other wireless routers as well. Yep, I'm using it in my WRT54G to do bridging. Working flawlessly so far (been up for about a week now). The story is interesting -- LinkSys based their firmware on Linux, and so were obligated to provide the source code under the terms of the GPL. The DD-WRT project has enhanced the firmware so that these consumer-grade devices can do a lot of things that commercial networking gear does. Allan -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Backup generator
I highly recommend getting lucky at a garage sale. 4500W for $25 because after a professional tune up and then sitting for a year it wouldn't start. You guys on the list diagnosed it for me - the oil pan had warped just a bit and the oil level was low. Added oil and it started on the 2nd pull. Still have not used it for real, but very nice to know it is there, especially as we are on a well. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Backup generator So sitting around thinking about how I'd like to have a little generator to run my sump pump. I've always wanted something like that, a really small and light one. Cheap would be good too. But I think that for one's first generator you should get one that's capable of starting your refrigerator. I have a 1600W Coleman that will run ours, or our freezer, and a couple lights, a TV, the fan on the fireplace, etc. I've got many more, much bigger ones, but that is the one that saved our bacon, literally. The bigger ones allow for much more convenience, but you never forget your first time... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cyanoacrylate glue
I am disappointed there was no old microwave oven parts or ShoeGoo involved in the trombone case fix! Speaking of ShoeGoo, one my hiking boot's soles is unglued, I went looking for ShoeGoo and could not find the stuff anywhere! I got some Pliobond, which is pretty good too, esp for shoes. I am kinda disappointed I did not get to use ShoeGoo for shoes and report on that! --R Jim Cathey wrote: It failed me today. Some time ago I bought an old (1915?) silver Holton trombone, and it had these little cloth-covered pivoting sticks in the case that hold in the pieces. (Turns out SWMBA never wanted a trombone, only a baritone or tuba.) One of the sticks was broken, and all floppy. I peeled the cloth back from the back side and put cyanoacrylate glue in there, and hit it with the accelerant. It never really set up, and was weak once it did. It broke again immediately. Since the cloth's glue was all old and powdery I just peeled it all off with a knife, then took the stick pieces out into the garage. I used the bandsaw and a piece of walnut branch about 1.5 in diameter to cut a replacement stick. (Mmm, walnut sure smells good to work.) About the same dimensions as a saxophone reed, but thicker and with both ends tapered down thin. After sanding and beveling to match the old stick I drilled a hole in it and glued the cloth back on with contact cement. More bits of wood glued into the hogged-out screw hole in the case (cyanoacrylate worked here) and a replacement washer for the screw and I was back in business. Still looks original, but is better than new in a sense. (Walnut is stronger than the boxwood or whatever the original was.) Gluing is fine, but replacement is even better. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Maybe you were the one who reported that previously. --R Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: You can buy that stuff at the drug store for patching up your bod, it is somehow different from the superglue at Home Depot The way I heard it, the medical grade stuff is pure CA, without any thickeners or preservatives. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
I found a big difference when between using Superglue with, and without pressure for the first minute when it's setting up on plastic. I also found, it works equally well with, or without pressure on fingers. I didn't really need that bit of flesh anyway. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Maybe you were the one who reported that previously. --R Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: You can buy that stuff at the drug store for patching up your bod, it is somehow different from the superglue at Home Depot The way I heard it, the medical grade stuff is pure CA, without any thickeners or preservatives. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Backup generator
'Day after Hurricane Fran in '96, tried to fiind 5KW generator. None available locally. 'Called SIL in Charlotte; he bought one and met me with it 'bout half way here (near Greensboro). Got it home, checked it out, got ready to hook it to my system, and started pulling on the rope to start it. Pulled many, many times - really didn't need or want that workout. After several sessions of pulling and resting, disconnected the oil level safety switch; 'started right up and ran fine. Wilton - Original Message - From: Bill R billr32...@comcast.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Backup generator I highly recommend getting lucky at a garage sale. 4500W for $25 because after a professional tune up and then sitting for a year it wouldn't start. You guys on the list diagnosed it for me - the oil pan had warped just a bit and the oil level was low. Added oil and it started on the 2nd pull. Still have not used it for real, but very nice to know it is there, especially as we are on a well. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Backup generator So sitting around thinking about how I'd like to have a little generator to run my sump pump. I've always wanted something like that, a really small and light one. Cheap would be good too. But I think that for one's first generator you should get one that's capable of starting your refrigerator. I have a 1600W Coleman that will run ours, or our freezer, and a couple lights, a TV, the fan on the fireplace, etc. I've got many more, much bigger ones, but that is the one that saved our bacon, literally. The bigger ones allow for much more convenience, but you never forget your first time... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Rich Thomas wrote: Maybe you were the one who reported that previously. I may have said that here. It's what a friend who used to work in a medical research lab told me. He carried the medical stuff in his first aid kit, either swiped from the university or purchased from the university store. When I asked him to get me a tube, he told me to go to Kmart and buy the thin stuff, it was the same except for the preservatives. I would also imagine there are certain cleanliness and purity standards to be met with the medical stuff. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] I get the 140
Picked up the 140 earlier. On the way from its location to the hotel I start getting bad vibration from the trailer. I pull off the highway at the next exit. Bad move, next thing I know Im in the middle of the ghetto east st louis. I check things out, dont see anything. GEt to hotel, jack up trailer, I see I have a tire about to explode, the whole side is bulging out. So, I have a spare tire but its not mounted to a wheel. I pull the bad wheel off, head off to find a tire place to mount the spare tire I have, only place I can find is walmart. STand there for 20 minutes not getting any help, I just leave. So in the morning I will have to find a tire shop nearby, hopefully open on Sunday. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] updated my web site today
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Re: [MBZ] I get the 140
Buying thaw? On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop ka...@striplin.net wrote: Picked up the 140 earlier. On the way from its location to the hotel I start getting bad vibration from the trailer. I pull off the highway at the next exit. Bad move, next thing I know Im in the middle of the ghetto east st louis. I check things out, dont see anything. GEt to hotel, jack up trailer, I see I have a tire about to explode, the whole side is bulging out. So, I have a spare tire but its not mounted to a wheel. I pull the bad wheel off, head off to find a tire place to mount the spare tire I have, only place I can find is walmart. STand there for 20 minutes not getting any help, I just leave. So in the morning I will have to find a tire shop nearby, hopefully open on Sunday. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] updated my web site today
Nice site, Don. It helps to put names and faces together. I made the mistake of letting my darling wife color my hair once [it is about like yours]. Big mistake, and thankfully I only let her talk me into a temp rinse. Took me an hour to wash it out. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] updated my web site today http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] updated my web site today
Just think -- 1995-97 I lived but about a mile from you. On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Bill R billr32...@comcast.net wrote: Nice site, Don. It helps to put names and faces together. I made the mistake of letting my darling wife color my hair once [it is about like yours]. Big mistake, and thankfully I only let her talk me into a temp rinse. Took me an hour to wash it out. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] updated my web site today http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Well, I guess if Moore defamed the hospital (and possibly Kaiser) that turned the child away they would have sued and made him cut that scene from the movie. Hendrik Lee Einer wrote: Michael Moore's claim, and the mother's, was legit. The mother was turned away with her dying child because she was Kaiser HMO and the nearest hospital was out of network. She begged for them to take care of her baby and they called the cops. By the time the child was transported to an in network hospital further away, it was too late. It was not that the family was indigent, or uninsured. The family was insured through Kaiser Permanente, an HMO. The HMO refused to allow the child to be treated at an out of network hospital, and thus caused her death. It's called death by denial, and its not at all uncommon in the U.S. We're not talking about the uninsured in this case, but people who have insurance and who get the carpet yanked from under them when they actually seek medical treatment. Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I get the 140
Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop wrote: So in the morning I will have to find a tire shop nearby, hopefully open on Sunday. I can't remember for sure, but I think WMart Tire and Lube Express opens at 8am on Sunday. Be first in line when they open if you don't want to wait a couple of hours. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I get the 140
Web site says 9:00 am. http://www.priceviewer.com/walmart_locations/1988-MO.html On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop wrote: So in the morning I will have to find a tire shop nearby, hopefully open on Sunday. I can't remember for sure, but I think WMart Tire and Lube Express opens at 8am on Sunday. Be first in line when they open if you don't want to wait a couple of hours. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I get the 140
Sorry, that was the pharmacy hours. Wonder if that is a 24x7 store? On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop wrote: So in the morning I will have to find a tire shop nearby, hopefully open on Sunday. I can't remember for sure, but I think WMart Tire and Lube Express opens at 8am on Sunday. Be first in line when they open if you don't want to wait a couple of hours. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Climate Control 1980 300D
I have repaired the climate control (servo) on my car and it has been working fine for quite some time. A few weeks ago it went to heat only blowing from the correct vents. So its not in the default mode. I pulled the amplifier and basically plugged it in and then it started working correctly. It has worked for several weeks and today it went back to the same condition. Its as if the in car sensor is calling for heat. I am looking for some ideas as to what is causing this? Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Of course mistakes are made but turning away a very sick person because of insurance issues is not a mistake, it's capitalism at it's worst. Perhaps that is one thing I am trying to understand, does pure capitalism turn society into a cold and uncaring machine that ONLY worships money and success. Then the next question is whether pure capitalism leads to fascism, one of the core believes of fascism is that the strong survive, whilst the weak perish. Hendrik Allan Streib wrote: If it happened as described, it sounds like the hospital did the wrong thing. There are a lot of unanswered questions in my mind but I'll leave it at that. However, I'd wager than in any government-operated heath care plan, such horror stories also can be found, and in greater numbers. Look at the VA. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Backup generator
The paperwork that came with my sump pump (this summer) was advertising a battery backup module. Not sure how long it would run on battery -- didn't say. Your experience is making me question the wisdom of not having that convenience. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E for Zippy
does not appear to be Luther wrote: is that a 4matic? Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: even better Luther wrote: it needs work. I sent the guy a message early this morning, no reply yet what about this? http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/930213506.html Luther Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Original Message Subject: 86 Mercedes Benz 300E - $1400 (Fort Smith) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:48:21 GMT From: ka...@striplin.net To: ka...@striplin.net ka...@striplin.net has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. 86 Mercedes Benz 300E Reply to: sale-954472...@craigslist.org mailto:sale-954472...@craigslist.org Date: 2008-12-11, 6:20PM 1986 MB 300E, Runs, needs some work. Nice looking car. Gasoline 6 cyl. $1,400 OBO. * Location: Fort Smith * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL:http://fortsmith.craigslist.org/cto/954472150.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/sF2aAJWZyR3csBXau4Wa0VmbN / No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1844 - Release Date: 12/11/2008 8:58 PM Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
Then they write it off Lee Einer wrote: Jim Cathey wrote: At the start of the movie Moore showed a bloke putting stitches in his knee because he has no health insurance, are you saying that he would have gotten treated at the local hospital for free? As I understand it, yes. Jim, that is a popular misconception. People get wheeled to the curb with unset broken limbs every day in this country because they can't pay and have no insurance. Federal law requires hospitals to treat you if your condition is life-threatening and you are not stabilized - for example, it would be illegal to kick you to the curb while you were having a stroke or a heart attack. The guy sewing his leg up was hurting and needed medical care but was in no danger of bleeding out. He would not have gotten free treatment in a U.S. hospital. In fact, if you do not have insurance, you do not get free treatment, period. The hospital will still come after you for payment, send you to a collection agency, etc. If in the end they are unable to collect from any payment source, that is when it turns out to be free. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Here is pure capitalism. Fortunately, the US isn't really capitalistic these days. http://www.raken.com/American_wealth/Gilded_age_index4.asp If you can get it down there rent Blazing Saddles. It is a comedy but somehow gives a true flavor of the great days of the railroad barons. On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote: Of course mistakes are made but turning away a very sick person because of insurance issues is not a mistake, it's capitalism at it's worst. Perhaps that is one thing I am trying to understand, does pure capitalism turn society into a cold and uncaring machine that ONLY worships money and success. Then the next question is whether pure capitalism leads to fascism, one of the core believes of fascism is that the strong survive, whilst the weak perish. Hendrik ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes: Of course mistakes are made but turning away a very sick person because of insurance issues is not a mistake, it's capitalism at it's worst. It's likely just someone without a very good brain following policy. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] updated my web site today
geez its slow Wonko the Sane wrote: http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I get the 140
after this its freezing back up. Who in their right mind can pass up a 140 for 1200 Wonko the Sane wrote: Buying thaw? On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop ka...@striplin.net wrote: Picked up the 140 earlier. On the way from its location to the hotel I start getting bad vibration from the trailer. I pull off the highway at the next exit. Bad move, next thing I know Im in the middle of the ghetto east st louis. I check things out, dont see anything. GEt to hotel, jack up trailer, I see I have a tire about to explode, the whole side is bulging out. So, I have a spare tire but its not mounted to a wheel. I pull the bad wheel off, head off to find a tire place to mount the spare tire I have, only place I can find is walmart. STand there for 20 minutes not getting any help, I just leave. So in the morning I will have to find a tire shop nearby, hopefully open on Sunday. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I get the 140
Yea, thats what Im planning to do unless I cant find a real tire place open tomorrow. I bought a new trailer wheel to mount a spare tire to, first one arrived, wrong size. Next one arrived friday, wrong size again. Hopefully this one will be right. Sure miss the days when the corner service station had a tire machine etc Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop wrote: So in the morning I will have to find a tire shop nearby, hopefully open on Sunday. I can't remember for sure, but I think WMart Tire and Lube Express opens at 8am on Sunday. Be first in line when they open if you don't want to wait a couple of hours. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I get the 140
I am in fenton right now, but dont see it listed unless that walmart I was at was not fenton Wonko the Sane wrote: Web site says 9:00 am. http://www.priceviewer.com/walmart_locations/1988-MO.html On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop wrote: So in the morning I will have to find a tire shop nearby, hopefully open on Sunday. I can't remember for sure, but I think WMart Tire and Lube Express opens at 8am on Sunday. Be first in line when they open if you don't want to wait a couple of hours. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] updated my web site today
I am doing an hour long software update that is stealing bandwidth. http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I get the 140
Fix it and I will give you $1100. Ma On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop ka...@striplin.net wrote: after this its freezing back up. Who in their right mind can pass up a 140 for 1200 Wonko the Sane wrote: Buying thaw? On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop ka...@striplin.net wrote: Picked up the 140 earlier. On the way from its location to the hotel I start getting bad vibration from the trailer. I pull off the highway at the next exit. Bad move, next thing I know Im in the middle of the ghetto east st louis. I check things out, dont see anything. GEt to hotel, jack up trailer, I see I have a tire about to explode, the whole side is bulging out. So, I have a spare tire but its not mounted to a wheel. I pull the bad wheel off, head off to find a tire place to mount the spare tire I have, only place I can find is walmart. STand there for 20 minutes not getting any help, I just leave. So in the morning I will have to find a tire shop nearby, hopefully open on Sunday. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
You wrote turning away a very sick person because of insurance issues is not a mistake it's capitalism at it's worst Actually, it's illegal - signs are posted openly throughout the hospital - near ER, REception, on every floor in hallways - etc - only a blind person would miss it. It states that anyone regardless of ability to pay, insurance or not will receive emergency medical treatment Here's part of one of the signs - To provide compassionate, quality healthcare services to those in need, including the poor and dying, for the purpose of alleviating human suffering and bringing people to wholeness in the midst of pain and loss. This is rated as in the top 10% cardiac care hospitals in the US. Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts Test Results - http://members.rennlist.com/oil/ http://www.scamfreetop10.com/1233.html . - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia Of course mistakes are made but turning away a very sick person because of insurance issues is not a mistake, it's capitalism at it's worst. Perhaps that is one thing I am trying to understand, does pure capitalism turn society into a cold and uncaring machine that ONLY worships money and success. Then the next question is whether pure capitalism leads to fascism, one of the core believes of fascism is that the strong survive, whilst the weak perish. Hendrik Allan Streib wrote: If it happened as described, it sounds like the hospital did the wrong thing. There are a lot of unanswered questions in my mind but I'll leave it at that. However, I'd wager than in any government-operated heath care plan, such horror stories also can be found, and in greater numbers. Look at the VA. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I get the 140
try running a wire from the trans to the rad and just driving it home. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop ka...@striplin.net I am in fenton right now, but dont see it listed unless that walmart I was at was not fenton Wonko the Sane wrote: Web site says 9:00 am. http://www.priceviewer.com/walmart_locations/1988-MO.html On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop wrote: So in the morning I will have to find a tire shop nearby, hopefully open on Sunday. I can't remember for sure, but I think WMart Tire and Lube Express opens at 8am on Sunday. Be first in line when they open if you don't want to wait a couple of hours. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I get the 140
do you think that will help the big crack in the valve cover? E M wrote: try running a wire from the trans to the rad and just driving it home. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop ka...@striplin.net I am in fenton right now, but dont see it listed unless that walmart I was at was not fenton Wonko the Sane wrote: Web site says 9:00 am. http://www.priceviewer.com/walmart_locations/1988-MO.html On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop wrote: So in the morning I will have to find a tire shop nearby, hopefully open on Sunday. I can't remember for sure, but I think WMart Tire and Lube Express opens at 8am on Sunday. Be first in line when they open if you don't want to wait a couple of hours. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Climate Control 1980 300D
Dirty connections? Try cleaning all the plugs and sockets with DeOxit (from Radio Shack?). On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Douglas jgi...@comcast.net wrote: I have repaired the climate control (servo) on my car and it has been working fine for quite some time. A few weeks ago it went to heat only blowing from the correct vents. So its not in the default mode. I pulled the amplifier and basically plugged it in and then it started working correctly. It has worked for several weeks and today it went back to the same condition. Its as if the in car sensor is calling for heat. I am looking for some ideas as to what is causing this? Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I get the 140
Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop wrote: I am in fenton right now, but dont see it listed unless that walmart I was at was not fenton Might have been Valley Park or Eureka. Where exactly are you staying? There should be a bunch of tire and loob chain stores nearby. Call me in the morning if you have trouble getting it done. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I get the 140
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I get the 140 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 49447045.9020...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed do you think that will help the big crack in the valve cover? E M wrote: try running a wire from the trans to the rad and just driving it home. Ed 300E not only will it help you'll also get 40 MPG driving home- just like they say on ebay tony wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I get the 140
do you think that will help the big crack in the valve cover? That's why they invented DUCT TAPE! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Good brain or not if the policy is in place.. This leads on to the question of litigation, if that woman can prove that due to the inaction of Hospital A her child died, would she have recourse to seek compensation? Then there is the question of the hypocratic oath that Doctors must pledge, pretty sure that part of that oath is that they must treat a sick person if they can, unless it has been changed to only having to treat someone if they hold the right insurance policy. Hendrik Allan Streib wrote: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes: Of course mistakes are made but turning away a very sick person because of insurance issues is not a mistake, it's capitalism at it's worst. It's likely just someone without a very good brain following policy. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Just like in college,. my buddy was a pharmacy major and would grab a bottle of the med grade grain alcohol on a Friday afternoon. Much better for the cabeza on Saturday morning. --R Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: Maybe you were the one who reported that previously. I may have said that here. It's what a friend who used to work in a medical research lab told me. He carried the medical stuff in his first aid kit, either swiped from the university or purchased from the university store. When I asked him to get me a tube, he told me to go to Kmart and buy the thin stuff, it was the same except for the preservatives. I would also imagine there are certain cleanliness and purity standards to be met with the medical stuff. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I get the 140
Shoe Goo. Or JB Weld. --R Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop wrote: do you think that will help the big crack in the valve cover? E M wrote: try running a wire from the trans to the rad and just driving it home. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop ka...@striplin.net I am in fenton right now, but dont see it listed unless that walmart I was at was not fenton Wonko the Sane wrote: Web site says 9:00 am. http://www.priceviewer.com/walmart_locations/1988-MO.html On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop wrote: So in the morning I will have to find a tire shop nearby, hopefully open on Sunday. I can't remember for sure, but I think WMart Tire and Lube Express opens at 8am on Sunday. Be first in line when they open if you don't want to wait a couple of hours. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 12/6/2008 4:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I get the 140
Well, best of luck with it, hopefully it is an economical repairer. Hendrik Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop wrote: after this its freezing back up. Who in their right mind can pass up a 140 for 1200 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
So perhaps we can surmise that they did not think the child was in need of emergency medical treatment, oooh it's only a slight temperature, she'll be fine. Hendrik LarryT wrote: You wrote turning away a very sick person because of insurance issues is not a mistake it's capitalism at it's worst Actually, it's illegal - signs are posted openly throughout the hospital - near ER, REception, on every floor in hallways - etc - only a blind person would miss it. It states that anyone regardless of ability to pay, insurance or not will receive emergency medical treatment Here's part of one of the signs - To provide compassionate, quality healthcare services to those in need, including the poor and dying, for the purpose of alleviating human suffering and bringing people to wholeness in the midst of pain and loss. This is rated as in the top 10% cardiac care hospitals in the US. Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I get the 140
No but duct tape will. Hendrik Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop wrote: do you think that will help the big crack in the valve cover? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
