Re: [MBZ] Older
On 2/20/2010 12:29 AM, Craig McCluskey wrote:
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I didn't know that one.
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We will be praying for your recovery, Pete.
Craig
Hospial ER was very busy when we went in. All of the trige nurses and Docs had
me demonsrate sticking out tongue and sweeping it left to right. They continued
that check very often during the next 2 days. After I did that they were
comfortable to allow me to wait {3 Hour!} While more urgent csases were
processed.
Wife and I were EMT's for 12 years, that's a new test for us also.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7
OK Don wrote: Use one of the free anti virus tools instead. I'm using the free Microsoft Security Essentials on the Windows boxes now. I konw, Microsoft and security are incompatable - but it's getting great reviews from the testers, and doesn't have much impact on the box. I've actually been running without runtime AV for some time now. I run Malwarebytes full system scan at least once a week, haven't picked up anything in over a year, and all I have ever found is tracking cookies. IME, if you plug all the remote entry holes that Micro$hit has open by default, and you don't do stupid things on the 'net, you don't pick up viruses. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Olde, strokes and arteritis
My mother has had an interesting time of it in recent months. Finally got diagnosis a couple of weeks ago, 8 months after onset of symptoms. We're lucky she isn't blind. She does have slight brain damage, as if from a very minor stroke. She does crosswords and sudoku puzzles for mental exercise, is now about 90% as good at them as she used to be. Giant cell arteritis frequently causes headaches, jaw pain, and blurred or double vision. Blindness and, less often, stroke are the most serious complications of giant cell arteritis. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/giant-cell-arteritis/DS00440 http://vasculitis.med.jhu.edu/typesof/giantcell.html http://www.webmd.com/migraines-headaches/geriatric-headaches?page=2 History: Debilitating headaches, jaw pain, weakness, dizziness, beginning June 2009. Couldn't stand to chew. Saw a GP, dentist, and oral surgeon. Dentist did a little grinding to improve bite, which didn't help, oral surgeon found no problems, nor did general practitioner. Problems gradually improved to where she could tolerate it (arteritis should not have improved by itself) October, flu symptoms without fever. Weakness, dizziness, double vision, felt on the verge of fainting. Vomiting after every one of these spells, and there were many. Culminated in passing out, vomiting and ambulance ride. We thought it was TIA. Idiot ER doc told her that her dinner disagreed with her. GP ran a bunch of tests, gave up and referred her to neurologist. Found minor stroke damage, we're thinking it was the night she was in a bed in the ER during the timeframe that stroke medications would have helped. After exhausting all possibility for non-invasive tests, a temporal artery biopsy was positive for arteritis. Prednisone (steroid) pills, and things are a lot better after a couple of weeks. I did a WebMD search, trying to pretend that I didn't know any more than the doctors knew in June. In the article on Geriatric Headache, Temporal Arteritis was about the fourth ailment mentioned, and it fit better than anything else. It afflicts 18 persons per 100,000 in the over 50 age group, 3/4 of them women. I bet the rate is a lot higher than 18 in women over 70. Neurologist said that arteritis would be beyond a the scope of a general practitioner. Next time something is going on with me or a family member, and the local medical community is scratching their collective heads, I'm going to spend a few hours doing internet research on the symptoms. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Older
Hey Peter!! Well, now you've done gone and did it! That's a old Southern expression. ;-) said most often when someone has stepped in it up to their knees. The MB list now knows of your stroke and word will spread around the globe at the 'speed of gossip' (second only to the speed of light) and you will have millions remembering you in their prayers every day! Get well, do the therapy as diligently as humanly possible and keep us informed. We're all part of this family! I hope the effects are not too severe will be short lived. Sincerely, LarryT '91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 7:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Older Kalib, you may noties my silence the past few days, I just survivrd a very slight stroke. Can you post a link to this for me? -- Pete Arnold When you get older, you don't regret the things you did in life. You regret the things you didn't do. *B*lood http://us.mc1108.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=helros...@blood Clots/Stroke - They Now Have a Fourth Indicator, the Tongue I will continue to forward this every time it comes around! *STROKE: *Remember the 1st Three Letters. S. T. R. *STROKE IDENTIFICATION:* *During a BBQ, a woman stumbled and took a little fall - she assured everyone that she was fine (they offered to call paramedics) .. She said she had just tripped over a brick because of her new shoes.* *They got her cleaned up and got her a new plate of food. While she appeared a bit shaken up, Jane went about enjoying herself the rest of the evening* *Jane's husband called later telling everyone that his wife had been taken to the hospital - (At 6:00 PM Jane passed away.) She had suffered a stroke at the BBQ. Had they known how to identify the signs of a stroke, perhaps Jane would be with us today? Some don't die. They end up in a helpless, hopeless condition instead.* *It only takes a minute to read this...* *A neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke victim within 3 hours he can totally reverse the effects of a stroke..._totally_. He said the trick was getting a stroke recognized, diagnosed, and then getting the patient medically cared for within 3 hours, which is tough...* *RECOGNIZING A STROKE* *Thank God for the sense to remember the '3' steps, STR. Read and Learn!* *Sometimes symptoms of a stroke are difficult to identify. Unfortunately, the lack of awareness spells disaster. The stroke victim may suffer severe brain damage when people nearby fail to recognize the symptoms of a stroke.* *Now doctors say a bystander can recognize a stroke by asking three simple questions:* *S **Ask the individual to SMILE. * T **Ask the person to TALK and SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE (Coherently) (i.e. It is sunny out today.) * R* *Ask him or her to RAISE BOTH ARMS. If he or she has trouble with ANY ONE of these tasks, call emergency number _immediately _and describe the symptoms to the dispatcher. New Sign of a Stroke Stick out Your Tongue NOTE: Another 'sign' of a stroke is this: Ask the person to 'stick' out his tongue. If the tongue is 'crooked', if it goes to one side or the other, that is also an indication of a stroke. A cardiologist says if everyone who gets this e-mail sends it to 10 people; you can bet that at least one life will be saved. *I have done my part. Will you?* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Olde, strokes and arteritis
Mitch wrote surgeon found no problems, nor did general practitioner. OK, GPs seem to be poorly trained for anything other than the most common of maladies. Perhaps that's what they se most often? Things like colds, flu, sprains, and other relatively minor problems seem to be what they deal with the best. Anything else means a visit to the specialist. But I guess they get very good dealing with the stuff they see the most. Which IMO that's why it's important for us to be as active as possible in dealing with doctors and illness. The diagnosis is the most critical as that's what gets the ball rolling toward recovery so it's important to tell the doc about every possible symptom you've noticed - keeping notes can be invaluable. Something you think is unrelated may be vital in understanding the problem. But be careful about diagnoses - they are very hard to do and many problems have the same (or similar) symptoms - so it's easy to convince ourselves the problem is either minor or severe when the reality may be very different. Have a nice weekend - (life's too short to do otherwise) ;-) Let the little problems go - LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Olde, strokes and arteritis My mother has had an interesting time of it in recent months. Finally got diagnosis a couple of weeks ago, 8 months after onset of symptoms. We're lucky she isn't blind. She does have slight brain damage, as if from a very minor stroke. She does crosswords and sudoku puzzles for mental exercise, is now about 90% as good at them as she used to be. Giant cell arteritis frequently causes headaches, jaw pain, and blurred or double vision. Blindness and, less often, stroke are the most serious complications of giant cell arteritis. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/giant-cell-arteritis/DS00440 http://vasculitis.med.jhu.edu/typesof/giantcell.html http://www.webmd.com/migraines-headaches/geriatric-headaches?page=2 History: Debilitating headaches, jaw pain, weakness, dizziness, beginning June 2009. Couldn't stand to chew. Saw a GP, dentist, and oral surgeon. Dentist did a little grinding to improve bite, which didn't help, oral surgeon found no problems, nor did general practitioner. Problems gradually improved to where she could tolerate it (arteritis should not have improved by itself) October, flu symptoms without fever. Weakness, dizziness, double vision, felt on the verge of fainting. Vomiting after every one of these spells, and there were many. Culminated in passing out, vomiting and ambulance ride. We thought it was TIA. Idiot ER doc told her that her dinner disagreed with her. GP ran a bunch of tests, gave up and referred her to neurologist. Found minor stroke damage, we're thinking it was the night she was in a bed in the ER during the timeframe that stroke medications would have helped. After exhausting all possibility for non-invasive tests, a temporal artery biopsy was positive for arteritis. Prednisone (steroid) pills, and things are a lot better after a couple of weeks. I did a WebMD search, trying to pretend that I didn't know any more than the doctors knew in June. In the article on Geriatric Headache, Temporal Arteritis was about the fourth ailment mentioned, and it fit better than anything else. It afflicts 18 persons per 100,000 in the over 50 age group, 3/4 of them women. I bet the rate is a lot higher than 18 in women over 70. Neurologist said that arteritis would be beyond a the scope of a general practitioner. Next time something is going on with me or a family member, and the local medical community is scratching their collective heads, I'm going to spend a few hours doing internet research on the symptoms. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 40k miles of CDI Ownership
How much of a difference did you notice with new Motor Mounts? Thx LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: John Robbins je...@msstate.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 40k miles of CDI Ownership Bought the CDI with 67k in April of 2008, and I'm now up to 107k! This year I didn't put as many miles on it as I did last year, but that's changed since I just recently started dating a gal in Tuscaloosa (1.5 drive). With a weeknight and weekend visit that's 350 miles a week... It's amazing what girls can get us guys to do ;) So far everything has been working fantastic with only minimal work needing to be done. The car is still a blast to drive, and I enjoy every minute of it. The only things I've replaced that weren't standard maintenance or something you'd expected to go out include: --Coolant thermostat --Auxiliary battery --Motor mounts --Parking brake ratcheting mechanism http://picasaweb.google.com/TheTymbrymi/My2005E320CDI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6yA_BlWOyg Happy motoring! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Max wrote are we talking about Larry's OM606? I missed that, and agree that the rules are different for an OM606 that is naturally aspirated My '91 is a Turbo - a OM602-962 engine. BTW, I've used M1 for the last 80K miles and the black goo is in the intakes about 1/8 deep in places. I scraped much of it out with a putty knife but next time will take both parts (the X-over and Intake) to a local machine shop for a good cleaning. Now, what rule applies to my turbo? Better to clean or not to clean? (to be, or not to be...) LOL LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:26 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Ah, are we talking about Larry's OM606? I missed that, and agree that the rules are different for an OM606 that is naturally aspirated (NA). I had an OM617 NA, intake was coated with incredible layer of tar because the EGR had failed in open position. Fixed that, switched to Mobil 1, and all that tar turned gooey and began flowing. Every so often I'd get a huge cloud of smoke out the back when the engine ingested some. However, Marshall's advice to me was that cleaning it would have no affect except reduce the occasional cloud of smoke. -Max -Original Message- [SNIP] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Hi Max - You wrote trying to cure a rough idle, finally it dawned on me to unplug the electronic idle control which did the trick What does the idle control look like? Does my OM 602 have one? Although I must admit, the idle is not noticeable since I replaced the motor mounts. Then again, if I can make it even smoother I will -- Thx LarryT 91 300D 2.5T (OM602-962) OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Regarding the old DV springs being shorter than the new, I found the same when I did the job on my OM603 in my '87 wagon, but did not notice any change in performance with the new springs. I was trying to cure a rough idle, finally it dawned on me to unplug the electronic idle control which did the trick. Now with rebuilt injectors balanced to within 5 bar range and the rebuilt DV internals, the idle is pretty smooth when warm. I plan to replace the motor mounts in the near future. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:16 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job re the question about the oil I have used - Have been using Synthetic since we bought this car ~3 years and 75K miles ago - I would describe what I found in the intake as liquid black slime - what a mess to remove. It's going back together now - I cleaned it with lots of rags, paper towels and simple green mixed with Carb/brake cleaner. It came out pretty easily but was pretty messy. I'm taking a break now - leaning over the engine is hard on the backs of the legs! I dropped a intake manifold bolt so if I can't see it with a light and grab it with a magnet I'll have to drop the lower panel some. Thx for the suggestions - next time the intake plenum will go to a machine shop - I've seen what they can do with a engine bloc - they must have some great chemicals! Hopefully I can schedule the work more ahead of time next time. No problems with the delivery valves - all the o-rings were very dried and cracked (they crumbled when I tried to remove them) - I also replaced the springs and copper washers. The old springs were ~1/8 shorter than the new ones - don't know what effect that compression had (anyone know??) -- didn't have any problem assembling all the DV's - I coated the o-rings and threads with a liberal amount of Kroil and the o-rings slipped on easily. I then centered the DV's in the IP and put the copper washer in place, set the spring on the DV and then put the casing on and screwed it down. Then followed the torque procedure. No problems I know of - it made a bit of noise as the air slowly exited the system - it is hopefully free of air now. I was surprised at how much noise it made as the air was forced out of the system. I'm really glad to have this job behind me though. I hope I get another 160,000 miles out of this set of washers, o-rings and springs - My only surprise when when it came time to install the intake manifold gasket -- it was for a 6 cylinder and I have a 5 cyl.A call to the local MB dealer solved the problem - the 6 cyl gasket is supposed to be trimmed to fit 5 cylinders - once he said it I recalled that I'd done the same thing last time I replaced the gasket. Let me now if you have any questions - LarryT 91 300D Larry '91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:48 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job I would also recommend changing to synthetic oil if you are not using it now -- I had very little crud at 270,000 miles with synthetic, and my brother had none, only liquid black slime. A cracked head, however, will cause all sorts of crap to collect at the EGR port, though. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] OT: liars sure can figger
Yu wrote They also count 18yo, etc., as 'children'. In my world, if they're driving they're adult enough to not count as kiddies. Actually they include the CDC group of 18-25 yr olds as children - the reason being, this age group is more heavily involved in gangs and drugs which greatly increases the damage claimed by guns. When removing the 18-25 yr old group from 'death by gun' the number of children accidentally killed by guns (which the anti-gunners cite as up to 13 pr day!!) drops to less than those killed in bath tubs (less than 40 IIRC although that's way to many). Yet no group is calling for banning bah tubs. ;-^ The DCD website has the latest data BTW - but I don't have the link anymore. LarryT - gotta make sure my bathtub is not loaded -- OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT: liars sure can figger http://www.ichv.org/facts-about-gun-violence/general-facts-about-gun- violence - an anti-gun group says ~31,000 gun deaths in the US in 2006. As they're an anti-gun group we can probably assume their number is high although this number shows up on a lot of websites. These groups usually also count police shootings. Gotta watch that kind of lying. (Were firing squads still in use, they'd probably count them too.) They also count 18yo, etc., as 'children'. In my world, if they're driving they're adult enough to not count as kiddies. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7
We switched from Norton to Symantec endpoint at work last year. Norton was a dog, endpoint is fine... My wife's computer at work has AVAST! which I find to be pretty good. Its always hard to tell though, are we really being protected or do we care more that the computer runs well? -Curt Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:55:43 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7 Message-ID: a06240856c7a4ff270...@[192.168.1.112] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed As someone else mentioned, Norton AV is in itself a virus, and some virus makers use parts of Norton AV to protect their virus. Best to stay far away from Norton. How is your Mac Wall street? I think you are right I have comcast and they provided me with McAffee it has worked fine for years. Now they provide Norton! I am planning on getting another motherboard and processor and don't want to do the whole reinstall thing. Having to chase down all my settings and such, but also that I'll lose McAffee. Douglas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Windows 7
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 06:33:18 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Its always hard to tell though, are we really being protected or do we care more that the computer runs well? Being protected shouldn't cause the computer to run poorly. If it does, someone has done something wrong. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Never ending
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:50:19 -0800 Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I know it is full up, spin the 730 cap and lots of blow by. Oil Pump went to heaven? Boy, that's discouraging! But it could be the oil pressure gauge or the line to it, too. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Found an 85 190D 2.2 Auto for sale
Hey, I am thinking about that one to replace Gump clay On Feb 19, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: Just passing along what I found today. Anybody's interested, I can expand. Bainbridge Island, WA. Says it's on craig's. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Never ending
That crossed my mind. I will be unhooking the line at both spots and give it a little air to clear the line. Fresh enough oil in the pan, so not interested in draining it to find the pump is fine. clay On Feb 20, 2010, at 7:51 AM, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:50:19 -0800 Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I know it is full up, spin the 730 cap and lots of blow by. Oil Pump went to heaven? Boy, that's discouraging! But it could be the oil pressure gauge or the line to it, too. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Licensing engineers
Dieselhead wrote: With one of those homemade furnaces that folks on here have posted links to ... Melt it, then it is dead. In the US doctors kill more people every year than guns... Doctors have this type of oven? I could visit the doctor if I knew he had that type of oven - just to watch him practice. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
Any special tools, tricks, or techniques to change the rear subframe mounts on a 124? thinking about doing that sometime in the next month or so. I need to do the same on the 126 also. I did them on the 123 and survived. But that one was rusty enough that it took a 6 foot pipe on the breaker bar for the big bolts. Same question for the 126. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Found an 85 190D 2.2 Auto for sale
Yeah? Did you check it out or something? Let me know if I can help. Brian On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Hey, I am thinking about that one to replace Gump clay On Feb 19, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: Just passing along what I found today. Anybody's interested, I can expand. Bainbridge Island, WA. Says it's on craig's. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Found an 85 190D 2.2 Auto for sale
Just checked out the listing online. He says approx. 170K mi. Yesterday when I looked at the odometer, it read 168,8xx. Also, the sign in the window says asking something like $2800. When I gave it a quick once-over, I did notice on the passenger side an unfortunately long scratch or scuff of some kind. Brian On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Zoltan Finks msuchpo...@gmail.comwrote: Yeah? Did you check it out or something? Let me know if I can help. Brian On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Hey, I am thinking about that one to replace Gump clay On Feb 19, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: Just passing along what I found today. Anybody's interested, I can expand. Bainbridge Island, WA. Says it's on craig's. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] MB repair, maintenance manual
Hello, would anyone have a hint on paperback manual for maintenance and repair on 1981 300D and 300SD? I now have the Haynes, but it is too limited. There is some pretty good info on peachparts.com, and even there people write than those paperbacks might be hard to come by, unless ++$. I checked ebay for CDs, got samples but the quality is not too good, even for 20/20 vision. There is also the MBUSA.com with the Technical Data Book. Would this latter be recommended? I believe a picture is worth a thousand words, and I am trying here to get a better feel for replacing the idler arm, steering stabilizer, and lower control arms on the 300SD. Thanks. --PT, 1981 300D, 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 5:25 AM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Max - You wrote trying to cure a rough idle, finally it dawned on me to unplug the electronic idle control which did the trick What does the idle control look like? Does my OM 602 have one? On a 603 it's a small black box under the crossover pipe, behind the ALDA (i.e. towards the firewall), with a plug on the top. Not sure what would happen if you unplugged it on your 2.5 Turbo, considering that particular engine's knowledge of such things as when EGR is active---anyone else who is familiar with the 2.5T know whether it would make any difference to the brain? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
I can't speak for the 124, but if you've done a 123, you should be OK for a 126. Just get a big breaker bar and some soapy water. If you soap the new bushings up good they'll slip right in. I don't believe I need to explain the breaker bar. Dan --- On Sat, 2/20/10, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 12:54 PM Any special tools, tricks, or techniques to change the rear subframe mounts on a 124? thinking about doing that sometime in the next month or so. I need to do the same on the 126 also. I did them on the 123 and survived. But that one was rusty enough that it took a 6 foot pipe on the breaker bar for the big bolts. Same question for the 126. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
What are the symptoms of needing new rear subframe bushings on a W123? A lot of rattling noises? Allan -- 1983 300D LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com writes: I can't speak for the 124, but if you've done a 123, you should be OK for a 126. Just get a big breaker bar and some soapy water. If you soap the new bushings up good they'll slip right in. I don't believe I need to explain the breaker bar. Dan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
Possibly, but more likely than not the ride height is diminished. If you're picking things to replace in the rear suspension on a 123 or 126, my first pick would be the differential mount. After that, subframe bushings. Both pretty easy and inexpensive updates/repairs, for the most part. The subframe bushings can be a b*tch to do sometimes, especially on northern cars due to snow/salt corroding the bolts. Lots of brute force required on that one in many cases. Dan --- On Sat, 2/20/10, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 4:33 PM What are the symptoms of needing new rear subframe bushings on a W123? A lot of rattling noises? Allan -- 1983 300D LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com writes: I can't speak for the 124, but if you've done a 123, you should be OK for a 126. Just get a big breaker bar and some soapy water. If you soap the new bushings up good they'll slip right in. I don't believe I need to explain the breaker bar. Dan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB repair, maintenance manual
The Technical Data Books has the torques, dimensions, etc., but very few drawings. You can find parts drawings in the EPC online, but will find no step-by-steps there. I find that a combination of the CDs, TDB, and EPC works best. In other words, you need them all --- On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 1:45 PM, P. Prud'homme pa...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, would anyone have a hint on paperback manual for maintenance and repair on 1981 300D and 300SD? I now have the Haynes, but it is too limited. There is some pretty good info on peachparts.com, and even there people write than those paperbacks might be hard to come by, unless ++$. I checked ebay for CDs, got samples but the quality is not too good, even for 20/20 vision. There is also the MBUSA.com with the Technical Data Book. Would this latter be recommended? I believe a picture is worth a thousand words, and I am trying here to get a better feel for replacing the idler arm, steering stabilizer, and lower control arms on the 300SD. Thanks. --PT, 1981 300D, 300SD -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB repair, maintenance manual
On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 2:03 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: . I find that a combination of the CDs, TDB, and EPC works best. In other words, you need them all --- Agreed. Haynes books seem to really vary in quality. I'm not impressed with the 107 one, but I think the one for the 124 explains some stuff a lot better than the FSM CDs, e.g. how to disassemble a door in order to change out the lock cylinder. Unfortunately it was only published in Great Britain, not the USA. Easiest way to buy it is from amazon.co.uk. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
The 126 is the same as the 123 except for the size. Same mounts, etc, same hassles. The W124 is completely different -- multilink suspension (and you probably need to replace them all) plus four subframe mounts, two front and two rear (not the same). It can be done by jacking up the rear and dropping one side at a time, then using a puller/pusher to remove and install the mounts. Diff is held on by two steel and rubber inserts in the subframe at the rear and a pair of rubber mounts between plates up front. Rear mounts must be removed to the front (they are tapered and won't come out the back) and they are always very stuck. Best course is to use an air chisel to collapse the steel ring to get them out, then pull the new ones in. You can hang the diff on a jack while you are doing this and leave the axles installed. This is a job I was going to tackle on the old 300D when it got smashed, and will be doing next month on the new one (and an evaporator transplant, oh joy!) Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB repair, maintenance manual
I use a multi-year/multi-model Chilton for Gump. It has the standard cars from 1974-1984 with how to take aparts and adequate pix. Not great, but if you know a little, it is helpful for point in the right direction clay On Feb 20, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 2:03 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: . I find that a combination of the CDs, TDB, and EPC works best. In other words, you need them all --- Agreed. Haynes books seem to really vary in quality. I'm not impressed with the 107 one, but I think the one for the 124 explains some stuff a lot better than the FSM CDs, e.g. how to disassemble a door in order to change out the lock cylinder. Unfortunately it was only published in Great Britain, not the USA. Easiest way to buy it is from amazon.co.uk. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:03:05 -0800 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 5:25 AM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: What does the idle control look like? Does my OM 602 have one? On a 603 it's a small black box under the crossover pipe, behind the ALDA (i.e. towards the firewall), with a plug on the top. Not sure what would happen if you unplugged it on your 2.5 Turbo, considering that particular engine's knowledge of such things as when EGR is active---anyone else who is familiar with the 2.5T know whether it would make any difference to the brain? I recall Marshall saying that you couldn't block off the EGR on a 2.5T because you couldn't sneak that past the computer. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
rattling is the torsion bar links. they are cheap and easy to replace. Subframe mounts worn leads to squirrely cornering, like you have rear steering What are the symptoms of needing new rear subframe bushings on a W123? A lot of rattling noises? Allan -- 1983 300D LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com writes: I can't speak for the 124, but if you've done a 123, you should be OK for a 126. Just get a big breaker bar and some soapy water. If you soap the new bushings up good they'll slip right in. I don't believe I need to explain the breaker bar. Dan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FLIR
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:04:55 -0800 (PST) LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Mine won't be quite that sophisticated. It's a hand held FLIR that's used for inspecting electrical buss work to check for hot spots (loose connections.) That sounds like a good way to do it! None of this touching energized busses to see if they're warm! But you do have to de-energize them to tighten the loose connections ... It will be interesting to hear what other things your new IR camera can see. One of my former employers had one like you describe, but we weren't allowed to touch it, much less look at it. There was one guy trained on it and he was the only one allowed to use it. I think it cost around $40k at the time. Sounds like he was rather protective of his $40k. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
OK, The noise is probably more loud than I initially thought. I cracked the fuel line connections where they attach to the injectors and made sure all air was out. It was dark but I think I got the air out. I was surprised at how little fuel came out with each squirt. Next, Using a long screwdriver I put one end again the fuel pipe at each DV the other end against my ear listening for sounds. All sounded pretty smooth with a soft bumping/whooshing sound. So then I did the same thing with the end of the screwdriver against the fuel line where it connected to each injector. #'s 3, 4 5 were louder than #'s 1 2. I'm thinking I should have the injectors serviced or buy new ones. What's the preferred method?Are the injectors Rusty sells matched ? If so, does that make the choice to go with Rusty? Sitting in the car with doors windows closed the engine is pretty quiet - but when idling there is a distinct soft klunking. I'd probably live with it but if my wife is going to come home and tell me how bad the noise is (to her) I'll need to do something. (besides close the windows.) ;-) Thx Guys - LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 6:42 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:03:05 -0800 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 5:25 AM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: What does the idle control look like? Does my OM 602 have one? On a 603 it's a small black box under the crossover pipe, behind the ALDA (i.e. towards the firewall), with a plug on the top. Not sure what would happen if you unplugged it on your 2.5 Turbo, considering that particular engine's knowledge of such things as when EGR is active---anyone else who is familiar with the 2.5T know whether it would make any difference to the brain? I recall Marshall saying that you couldn't block off the EGR on a 2.5T because you couldn't sneak that past the computer. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes: rattling is the torsion bar links. they are cheap and easy to replace. I replaced mine a few years ago. How long do they normally last? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
One more question - Rusty has the Fuel Inj. Nozzles for ~$30 ea. and the Injectors for ~$72 ea. If the Nozzle is the only part to ever need service the choice is easy - buy a nozzle but it appears other parts inside the injector body may need to be replaced at some point. But I cannot decide which is the best buy?? Has anyone been through this recently? I'm in no hurry to spend $350+ for new Injectors - even $150+ for nozzles is no picnic. BTW, anybody have an idea of how much a shop might charge to service (whatever that means) the injectors? (I'm in Va). Thx Guys - Larry 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 6:42 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:03:05 -0800 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 5:25 AM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: What does the idle control look like? Does my OM 602 have one? On a 603 it's a small black box under the crossover pipe, behind the ALDA (i.e. towards the firewall), with a plug on the top. Not sure what would happen if you unplugged it on your 2.5 Turbo, considering that particular engine's knowledge of such things as when EGR is active---anyone else who is familiar with the 2.5T know whether it would make any difference to the brain? I recall Marshall saying that you couldn't block off the EGR on a 2.5T because you couldn't sneak that past the computer. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
If you have an authorized Bosch injector shop in the area, take the set out and asked them to bench them. This is essentially just putting them in the test stand and checking hem for proper pressure and spray pattern. They may just tell you that they will rebuild them for $x dollars each, which is fine. Just ask that they calibrate them to within 1-2 bar for the set. It's not that big of a deal for a good injection shop to do, and it will make a difference in how well the engine runs. Be sure to get a new set of sealing rings for reinstalling them. Dan --- On Sat, 2/20/10, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 8:42 PM OK, The noise is probably more loud than I initially thought. I cracked the fuel line connections where they attach to the injectors and made sure all air was out. It was dark but I think I got the air out. I was surprised at how little fuel came out with each squirt. Next, Using a long screwdriver I put one end again the fuel pipe at each DV the other end against my ear listening for sounds. All sounded pretty smooth with a soft bumping/whooshing sound. So then I did the same thing with the end of the screwdriver against the fuel line where it connected to each injector. #'s 3, 4 5 were louder than #'s 1 2. I'm thinking I should have the injectors serviced or buy new ones. What's the preferred method? Are the injectors Rusty sells matched ? If so, does that make the choice to go with Rusty? Sitting in the car with doors windows closed the engine is pretty quiet - but when idling there is a distinct soft klunking. I'd probably live with it but if my wife is going to come home and tell me how bad the noise is (to her) I'll need to do something. (besides close the windows.) ;-) Thx Guys - LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 6:42 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:03:05 -0800 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 5:25 AM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: What does the idle control look like? Does my OM 602 have one? On a 603 it's a small black box under the crossover pipe, behind the ALDA (i.e. towards the firewall), with a plug on the top. Not sure what would happen if you unplugged it on your 2.5 Turbo, considering that particular engine's knowledge of such things as when EGR is active---anyone else who is familiar with the 2.5T know whether it would make any difference to the brain? I recall Marshall saying that you couldn't block off the EGR on a 2.5T because you couldn't sneak that past the computer. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
I think the shops around here charge around $30/injector to clean and calibrate. If you need a new nozzle it's not a lot more. Unless you have a pop tester handy you have no business changing out the nozzles yourself, as you have no idea what the pattern is like when they have been replaced, or if they are properly sealing. Dan --- On Sat, 2/20/10, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 9:06 PM One more question - Rusty has the Fuel Inj. Nozzles for ~$30 ea. and the Injectors for ~$72 ea. If the Nozzle is the only part to ever need service the choice is easy - buy a nozzle but it appears other parts inside the injector body may need to be replaced at some point. But I cannot decide which is the best buy?? Has anyone been through this recently? I'm in no hurry to spend $350+ for new Injectors - even $150+ for nozzles is no picnic. BTW, anybody have an idea of how much a shop might charge to service (whatever that means) the injectors? (I'm in Va). Thx Guys - Larry 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 6:42 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:03:05 -0800 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 5:25 AM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: What does the idle control look like? Does my OM 602 have one? On a 603 it's a small black box under the crossover pipe, behind the ALDA (i.e. towards the firewall), with a plug on the top. Not sure what would happen if you unplugged it on your 2.5 Turbo, considering that particular engine's knowledge of such things as when EGR is active---anyone else who is familiar with the 2.5T know whether it would make any difference to the brain? I recall Marshall saying that you couldn't block off the EGR on a 2.5T because you couldn't sneak that past the computer. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
Check the frame bushings on the rear anti-sway bar too -- when they get old, hard, and shrink, the bar rattles in them. Bad bushings on the rear subframe usually allow it to rotate up at the front, this causes rear tire wear and goofy up and down behavior of the rear suspension. Peter -Original Message- From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Sent: Feb 20, 2010 8:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes: rattling is the torsion bar links. they are cheap and easy to replace. I replaced mine a few years ago. How long do they normally last? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
I forget who it was (Neiman?) on the Peachparts site has found a vacuum operated waste gate that can replace the electric one in the 2.5T, which allows you to disable the EGR, since the circuit opens the electric wastegate when it senses the EGR is disabled. Seems like the best way around the computer! On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.netwrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:03:05 -0800 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 5:25 AM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: What does the idle control look like? Does my OM 602 have one? On a 603 it's a small black box under the crossover pipe, behind the ALDA (i.e. towards the firewall), with a plug on the top. Not sure what would happen if you unplugged it on your 2.5 Turbo, considering that particular engine's knowledge of such things as when EGR is active---anyone else who is familiar with the 2.5T know whether it would make any difference to the brain? I recall Marshall saying that you couldn't block off the EGR on a 2.5T because you couldn't sneak that past the computer. Craig -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:29:43 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I forget who it was (Neiman?) on the Peachparts site has found a vacuum operated waste gate that can replace the electric one in the 2.5T, which allows you to disable the EGR, since the circuit opens the electric wastegate when it senses the EGR is disabled. Seems like the best way around the computer! So how does one get a vacuum operated waste gate to work properly (i.e., open at the right time, close at the right time)? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 2.5 T EGR mod WAS: Fuel delivery valve job
That would be Dave Meiman that figured out a way to modify the turbo so you can disconnect the EGR valve. Here is the thread. if you scroll down, there is a picture of the vacuum wastegate. http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=212097page=10 On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:29:43 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I forget who it was (Neiman?) on the Peachparts site has found a vacuum operated waste gate that can replace the electric one in the 2.5T, which allows you to disable the EGR, since the circuit opens the electric wastegate when it senses the EGR is disabled. Seems like the best way around the computer! So how does one get a vacuum operated waste gate to work properly (i.e., open at the right time, close at the right time)? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
About how long does it take to go thru the rear suspension bushings/etc? (on the 124). thx LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe The 126 is the same as the 123 except for the size. Same mounts, etc, same hassles. The W124 is completely different -- multilink suspension (and you probably need to replace them all) plus four subframe mounts, two front and two rear (not the same). It can be done by jacking up the rear and dropping one side at a time, then using a puller/pusher to remove and install the mounts. Diff is held on by two steel and rubber inserts in the subframe at the rear and a pair of rubber mounts between plates up front. Rear mounts must be removed to the front (they are tapered and won't come out the back) and they are always very stuck. Best course is to use an air chisel to collapse the steel ring to get them out, then pull the new ones in. You can hang the diff on a jack while you are doing this and leave the axles installed. This is a job I was going to tackle on the old 300D when it got smashed, and will be doing next month on the new one (and an evaporator transplant, oh joy!) Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 T EGR mod WAS: Fuel delivery valve job
Hi Guys - What's the reason for wanting/needing the EGR disconnected? Does it improve something? My W124 seems pretty well balanced as is ... Thx - LarryT 91 300D 2.5T OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 10:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 2.5 T EGR mod WAS: Fuel delivery valve job That would be Dave Meiman that figured out a way to modify the turbo so you can disconnect the EGR valve. Here is the thread. if you scroll down, there is a picture of the vacuum wastegate. http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=212097page=10 On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:29:43 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I forget who it was (Neiman?) on the Peachparts site has found a vacuum operated waste gate that can replace the electric one in the 2.5T, which allows you to disable the EGR, since the circuit opens the electric wastegate when it senses the EGR is disabled. Seems like the best way around the computer! So how does one get a vacuum operated waste gate to work properly (i.e., open at the right time, close at the right time)? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 T EGR mod WAS: Fuel delivery valve job
LarryT wrote: Hi Guys - What's the reason for wanting/needing the EGR disconnected? Does it improve something? My W124 seems pretty well balanced as is ... What about that black sooty ooze in the intake manifold? That comes from the EGR valve. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB repair, maintenance manual
The vintage Chilton's I have for the Frankenheap is not bad. That, in conjunction with every other manual I have, is all I need! :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
My 87 300 D had the lower wheel carrier bushing totally crapped out at 160K By 180k the links were going bad. About how long does it take to go thru the rear suspension bushings/etc? (on the 124). thx LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe The 126 is the same as the 123 except for the size. Same mounts, etc, same hassles. The W124 is completely different -- multilink suspension (and you probably need to replace them all) plus four subframe mounts, two front and two rear (not the same). It can be done by jacking up the rear and dropping one side at a time, then using a puller/pusher to remove and install the mounts. Diff is held on by two steel and rubber inserts in the subframe at the rear and a pair of rubber mounts between plates up front. Rear mounts must be removed to the front (they are tapered and won't come out the back) and they are always very stuck. Best course is to use an air chisel to collapse the steel ring to get them out, then pull the new ones in. You can hang the diff on a jack while you are doing this and leave the axles installed. This is a job I was going to tackle on the old 300D when it got smashed, and will be doing next month on the new one (and an evaporator transplant, oh joy!) Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124, 126 rear subframe
Thanks Peter. I was hoping the 124 subframe bushings could be replaced without having to drop the whole subframe out. Sounds like that is do-able. What is the pusher/puller tool you refer to? Is it a tool with an MB part number? Is it something that can be shop-made? On the 123, I used the armstrong tool and a big screwdriver to pull them out. I think I used a BFH to seat the new ones far enough to get the bolts started, then tightened the bolts until everything bottomed out. The 126 is the same as the 123 except for the size. Same mounts, etc, same hassles. The W124 is completely different -- multilink suspension (and you probably need to replace them all) plus four subframe mounts, two front and two rear (not the same). It can be done by jacking up the rear and dropping one side at a time, then using a puller/pusher to remove and install the mounts. Diff is held on by two steel and rubber inserts in the subframe at the rear and a pair of rubber mounts between plates up front. Rear mounts must be removed to the front (they are tapered and won't come out the back) and they are always very stuck. Best course is to use an air chisel to collapse the steel ring to get them out, then pull the new ones in. You can hang the diff on a jack while you are doing this and leave the axles installed. This is a job I was going to tackle on the old 300D when it got smashed, and will be doing next month on the new one (and an evaporator transplant, oh joy!) Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] More Dave M 606 in 123
Found this link on Dave's website. It has pictures of a 606 in a 123. Bet that is a little faster than a stock 240D auto! Appears to be in Europe. could be a crazy finn. http://www.W124performance.com/images/SuperTurbo/W123-OM606/ I have a 123 if anyone wants to put in a 606 for me! I'd be happy with one of Kleb's 602 turbos! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB repair, maintenance manual
For the 110/111 I had a chilton and a Haines. each had holes, but with both, I could figure out everything I needed to. I bought a 123 paper manual set on here from somebody that was getting rid of them. Only used them once, to set the timing on a 616.They had the injection timing spec. By the time I got them, I have done nearly everything i needed a reference for. One nice things about the 123 is that you really don't need a manual if you have worked on other cars. I don't want to part with them though, because they have a lot of specs for things. The vintage Chilton's I have for the Frankenheap is not bad. That, in conjunction with every other manual I have, is all I need! :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
