Re: [MBZ] High pressure A/C leak?
From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com Get some of that neon dye in a can? Walt On Jul 8, 2010 12:53 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: One problem with testing under the hood with engine running is that the air flow from the fan does... Remove the fan. Four little bolts, isn't it? Try bubble solution painted over the compressor manifold. -- Jim - Thanks. I'll try them. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Steering box slop
Rich - Play can be from a couple of places and the box may be one of those. If you have checked the rest of the system per 46-110 of the manual and all those sources of wear are tight then you very well may have play in the box. David was almost correct in that the later 126s have automatic compensation for play incorporated in their design but this is only effective then the box is in the centered position. It is nothing more than a spring loaded plunger pushing on the working piston that more or less hides any play that exists when you are driving down a straight road. There is an adjustment that may help you and that is a method to adjust out play by adjusting the relationship between the teeth on the pitman shaft and the teeth on the working piston. This however can be overdone which will accelerate the wear on those teeth and set you up for play than cannot be adjusted out. The procedure is laid out in 46-480 of the manual and incorporates a few special tools which you most likely will not have. A number of folks have come pretty close to the proper relationship just by feel. Don't try and take all the play out or you may cause the wear I mentioned, just try and get the over center feel. If you care to give it a try I suggest that you somehow mark the position of the adjusting screw so that, if it just doesn't feel right you can reset it to where you originally found it. Remember CCW to tighten. As it turns out I just finished replacing my steering gearbox with a good used donor unit. Mine is an '81 SD 126.120 and it did not have the compensation for play so for the replacement I chose a later box that does have it. When I got my car it was obvious that there was a problem as the adjustment I mentioned did absolutely nothing. When I changed the ATF in the power steering wheel it was totally filthy. Yuck! I always had wear, slop, right at the service limit but I just lived with it. Just recently the box developed an oil leak and needed to be re-sealed. When I broke it down the problem was obvious, it had been adjusted too tight and had really advanced wear on the teeth I mentioned. The pitman shaft and working piston are sold as a set and that set was like $400. A rebuilt is typically $500 and if you go that route make sure the mechanic that does it really knows what is doing or you will not be happy. New ones you ask...like $3K. The going wrecking yard price is $100. The one I got was a bonus as it looked like the box had been recently re-sealed. Barry -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes- boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 2:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Steering box slop After washing the 84 300SD a little while ago I decided to check as to why there is slop in the steering. The steering wheel will go10-15deg back and forth loose, no tire movement or anything in the linkages. I reached down and twisted the shaft at the steering box, and the box is what is loose, and is sorta rattling a bit. I take that to mean the steering box either needs to be adjusted to tighten it up a bit (through the magic procedure) or replaced with one that is not rattly and loose. What sayeth the collective? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Renault
Now that MBZ and Renault/Nissan are getting in bed with each other, you might be able to relive your Renault experience with the elegance of a MBZ. -Rolf theprofil...@dwx.com wrote: My first car was a '67 R-10. 46 hp. top speed of 83 (@ 5600 rpm--yikes!). Extremely simple, just a slightly larger and boxier dauphine. Nice ride and quite comfortable and roomy for its size, quirky handling (virtually no weight on the front end). Nice little free-revving 1100 cc longitudinal 4 and close-ratio 4-speed, dead simple to work on--the entire exhaust system was one piece and $15 to replace, as I recall. Lightly built and quick to rust, unfortunately, but as a city and backroad car not bad at all. I chose it over the usual first-car choice at the time, a beetle. The beetles were more powerful, but not as quiet, comfortable, or big inside or trunk-wise. Plus, the funky frenchness of it appealed to me. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 95 C250D, any good?
Y'all just don't have the lust for power that 'mericans have! Therefore MBOZ didn't let you. While I am saying I want one, why did Oz never get a turbo Diesel engine in the 123/4, 201, 126. Hendrik with no turbos Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: While I am not saying I would want one, but why cant we get cars like that here? OK Don wrote: I haven't ever actually seen one that I was aware of, but I would not hesitate at the OM605. Doesn't the W202 have the front spring mounts that pop off at the top? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 12 Wonderful Wagons We Want
2 Benzes, and some other greats. My dad bought a used Vista Cruiser back when for car #2, it was cool. --R http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/07/12-wagons-we-want?pid=21 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT My new ride
http://www.0-60mag.com/news/2010/07/bugatti-veyron-supersports-16-4-speed-record-debrief/ --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 12 Wonderful Wagons We Want
That is a cool link. I want the avant. -Rolf Rich Thomas wrote: 2 Benzes, and some other greats. My dad bought a used Vista Cruiser back when for car #2, it was cool. --R http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/07/12-wagons-we-want?pid=21 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Interpreting compression test resultsforW123turbodieselengine
If you want it, that is not too much of a price to pay. I run to the lake about every 2nd or 3rd weekend and it is about that distance. Takes about 3 hours plus. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Interpreting compression test resultsforW123turbodieselengine I would do that if the car weren't 175 miles from home! On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:40 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: You might debate it all day long but that will not really help you much. If you are concerned, then you need to test it again and make sure that you do not have a leak problem and that the starter is turning it fast enough. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Interpreting compression test results forW123turbodieselengine I'm not sure that this has any bearing on engine compression. The car in question starts easily in warm temperatures. We are debating whether a loose fitting on the compression tester OR a weak starter motor on the tested car could influence the gauge readings significantly in a lower direction. On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:42 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: Sometimes it is just not a good connection. My wife's car wouldn't go a few years back and I went to jump it with my truck and a good quality set of cables that I made out of welding wire. First attempt was no good. Changed the ground cable to a different spot and got a good connection and it fired up immediately. Same thing with the battery in our old 4Runner. It sat all winter and the electronic stuff drained the battery I guess. Dead. I was a bit upset as it was a new battery and I was afraid it was toast. I put the charger on it over night and it did not improve. Pulled the cables and cleaned the posts and tried it again. Much better. Full charge within a few hours and it has now been good for a month so I assume the battery is alright. Just a poor connection on the charger the first time I tried to charge it up. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 12:03 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Interpreting compression test results for W123turbodieselengine There are 2 reasons that doesn't work. #1. The weak battery eats up some of the power #2. The jumper cables aren't big enough/well connected enough to deliver full amperage to really spin the starter over. Thats why its all hell to start a car with a really dead battery and a small set of jumper cables. Last year at work a friend's Camry was dead dead dead. We hooked it to my 240D and let it hang there for a few minutes and it still wouldn't start. A few minutes with TWO sets of jumper cables and it barely cranked to life... -Curt Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 12:39:07 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Interpreting compression test results for W123turbodieselengine Message-ID: aanlktins_t0tydcfqdda3nn-qism9rklalbdqpff6...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The dude performed the test by jumpstarting the car and bypassing his weak battery. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or
Re: [MBZ] Diagnose strange towing behavior
Just be a bit careful if the trailer is galvanized. The fumes can make you ill. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 8:03 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diagnose strange towing behavior Yup, and the tilt mechanism on mine is pretty simple, two C channel pieces with 3 bolts. Just need to take off the middle piece of decking to get at it... -Curt Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 06:54:50 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diagnose strange towing behavior Message-ID: 36770eb2-89cf-11df-bf03-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed mount for the tongue had broken and the whole thing was held together just by the tilt safety chain... Pretty scary. Trailers are an _excellent_ place to learn to use your new welder! The metal is heavy, things are exposed, and generally the quality of workmanship required is not high. (Cosmetically, that is.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 12 Wonderful Wagons We Want
The Olds is neat as is the old Chevy but about the only one I would really want is the older Mercedes wagon. On the topic of Olds, I saw a very nice F85 in traffic this morning on my way to work. Burgundy and probably about a 1964? Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] 12 Wonderful Wagons We Want 2 Benzes, and some other greats. My dad bought a used Vista Cruiser back when for car #2, it was cool. --R http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/07/12-wagons-we-want?pid=21 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 12 Wonderful Wagons We Want
I have the old 123 wagon! In high school one of my buddies got to drive his dad's F85, not sure what year it was, but it had a turbo on the engine if I recall correctly. Small engine, not too fast, but a neat little car. It was gold, and had a black vinyl top maybe? --R On 7/8/2010 12:08 PM, R A Bennell wrote: The Olds is neat as is the old Chevy but about the only one I would really want is the older Mercedes wagon. On the topic of Olds, I saw a very nice F85 in traffic this morning on my way to work. Burgundy and probably about a 1964? Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] 12 Wonderful Wagons We Want 2 Benzes, and some other greats. My dad bought a used Vista Cruiser back when for car #2, it was cool. --R http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/07/12-wagons-we-want?pid=21 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] High pressure A/C leak?
From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com Get some of that neon dye in a can? Walt On Jul 8, 2010 12:53 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: One problem with testing under the hood with engine running is that the air flow from the fan does... Remove the fan. Four little bolts, isn't it? Try bubble solution painted over the compressor manifold. -- Jim - Thanks. I'll try them. Gerry - Gerry wrote: Found the leak! Decided to try one more time with the freon detector after adding plenty of freon and letting the car sit in the shop all night. Went into the shop very slowly this morning so as to not create any more air currents than necessary, and went over everything in the engine compartment. When I got to the compressor with the detector set on high sensitivity, the detector buzzed at the bottom of the compressor shaft but not at the top. Double checked this and all possible leak points around it, and got a positive every time I stuck the probe under the shaft between the compressor and the clutch. Therefore, it must be the shaft seal in the compressor? Since I also need a compressor for the other 123, might try to replace the seal in one of the defective ones. Didn't you write something about replacing a compressor seal some time ago, Jim? Many thanks, Gerry.who has had little A/C experience. '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 12 Wonderful Wagons We Want
Rich Thomas wrote: I have the old 123 wagon! In high school one of my buddies got to drive his dad's F85, not sure what year it was, but it had a turbo on the engine if I recall correctly. Small engine, not too fast, but a neat little car. It was gold, and had a black vinyl top maybe? 1962-63 turbo jetfire? http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1962-1963-oldsmobile-f85-jetfire1.htm There's a Turbo Monza Spyder for $2500 locally: http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/1829808102.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 12 Wonderful Wagons We Want
I put a '63 turbo jetfire engine in my MGA - but replaced the turbo with a 4-barrel since the turbo was toast. Aluminum block/heads, 215Cu.in., etc. On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: I have the old 123 wagon! In high school one of my buddies got to drive his dad's F85, not sure what year it was, but it had a turbo on the engine if I recall correctly. Small engine, not too fast, but a neat little car. It was gold, and had a black vinyl top maybe? 1962-63 turbo jetfire? http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1962-1963-oldsmobile-f85-jetfire1.htm There's a Turbo Monza Spyder for $2500 locally: http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/1829808102.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 12 Wonderful Wagons We Want
i miss the early 60's Ford Falcon wagon my family had; red, 2-door, big circular tail lights, and that typical 'wood' paneling treatment that was so popular at the time. that little thing really hauled! (can't recall my Ford engines exactly, but i think it had some small V8 in it.) i have distinct memories of my mom as a young mother booking that thing up some of the dirt roads near our house in the woods when the roads were snowy and sloppy and she had to hit some of the hills with some momentum to make it up,... all the kids in the back would be cheering her on to go faster.;-) cheers! e On 08/Jul/10 06:22, Rich Thomas wrote: 2 Benzes, and some other greats. My dad bought a used Vista Cruiser back when for car #2, it was cool. --R http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/07/12-wagons-we-want?pid=21 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Life without an oil cooler
Anybody remember that I removed the oil cooler from my 240D? That was last fall I think. Well I've been driving without it (probably 10,000 miles or more) since then and nothing terrible has happened. Except lately the temp has been unacceptably high. Hardly a shocker since we're in the middle of a heatwave. With the outside temp in the mid to high 90's I couldn't really drive over 65mph for any prolonged time as the needle would rise perilously high (who knows how hot exactly, above the 100C mark anyway) until I wussed out and slowed down. Well rather than put in the new oil cooler I noticed a wet spot on the lower radiator hose and yesterday while I was running errands I stopped at the local CarQuest to see if they had the hoses. They had the upper and got me the lower today. Had a radiator cap too, made in Mexico, nice looking cap. The one on the car is so corroded I can't read it anymore. I put it on 6 or 7 years and ~70,000 miles ago... I was surprised how little coolant I lost in the replacement, no big whoop. I guess its mostly full of G05 now, I've been doing a running project coolant change changed a bunch when I did the water pump (and as it leaked just before I did the water pump) and more now. What came out was pretty yellow. Took a little ride and it rose more than I liked, could be just needing to burp though, I'll add more once it cools off and see how it does tomorrow. If its still real hot I'll put the oil cooler in. If the red car were registered I'd just drive that until it cooled off again, we won't be at these temps for too much longer. ;) Heck I may put the new oil cooler in no matter what just since I've got it. Or not, it depends on how hot it is Saturday. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 95 C250D, any good?
That's not so, in 89 when they introduced the 300TE, they dropped the 230TE as being too underpowered for station wagen duty. From memory they had trouble engineering the turbo engine into a RH drive vehicle because the steering box was in the way. Unfortunately we never got the NA Diesel engine in a S124 either, due to aforementioned reasons. I did toy with the idea of sticking a Diesel in the family truck but the problem is the SLS, not long after I bought the TE, there was damaged 300D on offer via ebay but the car was in Melbourne. Interesting that the US never got a Diesel 202, you did get a Diesel 201, did you not? The OM605 should be a goer with DOHC and 4 valves per pot. Hendrik who filled up the other day @ AU$1.33 per liter :'( Diesel is not much cheaper Dieselhead wrote: Y'all just don't have the lust for power that 'mericans have! Therefore MBOZ didn't let you. While I am saying I want one, why did Oz never get a turbo Diesel engine in the 123/4, 201, 126. Hendrik with no turbos ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Duracool as r-12 replacement
yes, the ev is different, but even with the 134 ev, it still does not cool as good as the factory 134 setup. Frederick W Moir wrote: Kaleb, Max, et al. The expansion valve is different for R12 R134a. What I found was that a clean and tight system with the 134 valve works OK, but not brilliantly. YMMV Fred Moir Lynn MA -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: AC Duracool as r-12 replacement
I thought of that myself but usually the EPC will give the replacement part numbers etc, but IIRC there was only one showing, so it did not look like it was replaced. Jim Cathey wrote: The evap and condenser all have the same part number for R12 or R134. So why does the factory 134 seem to cool better than a converted car? They have the same part number _now_, but did they always? A larger-for-R134a finned beast could supersede an R12-only unit in the parts callouts. Or, the converted thing didn't get rid of all the old immiscible oil, which is coating the pipes and adding insulation on the inside. Or, the expansion valve is sufficiently different. Or... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2988 - Release Date: 07/07/10 13:38:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Duracool as r-12 replacement
Is the compressor the same? On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 19:12 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: yes, the ev is different, but even with the 134 ev, it still does not cool as good as the factory 134 setup. Frederick W Moir wrote: Kaleb, Max, et al. The expansion valve is different for R12 R134a. What I found was that a clean and tight system with the 134 valve works OK, but not brilliantly. YMMV Fred Moir Lynn MA -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Duracool as r-12 replacement
yes Allan Streib wrote: Is the compressor the same? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Mitchel 300D engine cheatsheet (pdf)
Found this today, figured someone else might find it useful. I can possibly grab ones for other years/models as well. Walt -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: V2I785180.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 808400 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20100708/f020d8a6/attachment.pdf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 95 C250D, any good?
Hendrik Fay wrote: Interesting that the US never got a Diesel 202, you did get a Diesel 201, did you not? 84-85 we got the 601, but ours were 2.2L instead of 2.0L (the vast majority are automatic, so we need that extra 200cc). 86-89 we got the 602, with fewer than 2000 of the 1987s being turbos. Automatic only with the turbo, and precious few, 5% I think, of the 602NA were 5sp. 90-93 we only got the 2.3 8v and 2.6 12v gassers. You probably had the W202 in 1993. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Cheap 190E
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/New-Mercedes-Benz-190-E-2-5-16-Evolution-II-/160446894015?cmd=ViewItempt=AU_Carshash=item255b614fbf Get yer check books out boys and it's LH drive for ya all, ohh yeah and Roger there is a airport for light aircraft nearby, should you wish to drop in. Hendrik whose 201 was not that expensive ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap 190E
Hendrik Fay wrote: http://search.ebay.com/160446894015 I see those things for £10,000 all the time, but not in showroom condition. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap 190E
Yeah 10K pommie beans is round about the going rate for an average evolution but 100K is getting a bit pricey, unless it was owned by someone famous. Hendrik who doesn't own cars owned by famous people Mitch Haley wrote: Hendrik Fay wrote: http://search.ebay.com/160446894015 I see those things for £10,000 all the time, but not in showroom condition. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap 190E
Looks real pretty, and would make a fine museum piece. But with 145 miles on it, it's probably similar mechanically to one of Keleb's $500 specials. Once a garage queen, always a garage queen, unless you're willing to spend the asking price, and a whole lot more to sort it all out and make it reliable again. Ed 300E On 9 July 2010 06:05, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/New-Mercedes-Benz-190-E-2-5-16-Evolution-II-/160446894015?cmd=ViewItempt=AU_Carshash=item255b614fbf Get yer check books out boys and it's LH drive for ya all, ohh yeah and Roger there is a airport for light aircraft nearby, should you wish to drop in. Hendrik whose 201 was not that expensive ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap 190E
E M wrote: Looks real pretty, and would make a fine museum piece. But with 145 miles on it, it's probably similar mechanically to one of Keleb's $500 specials. Once a garage queen, always a garage queen, unless you're willing to spend the asking price, and a whole lot more to sort it all out and make it reliable again. Barn queen? http://jalopnik.com/5494511/best-barn-find-ever-gets-better-mercedes-190-e-25+16-evolution-ii ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap 190E
BTW, Heni, that's y'all. ; Wilton - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 6:05 AM Subject: [MBZ] Cheap 190E http://cgi.ebay.com.au/New-Mercedes-Benz-190-E-2-5-16-Evolution-II-/160446894015?cmd=ViewItempt=AU_Carshash=item255b614fbf Get yer check books out boys and it's LH drive for ya all, ohh yeah and Roger there is a airport for light aircraft nearby, should you wish to drop in. Hendrik whose 201 was not that expensive ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Cheap 190E
BTW, Heni, that's y'all. ; Unless it's y'awl. As in y'awl is all over the ground there. (My wife just called, the neighbors' Hyundai Family Truckster just vomited its engine oil all over the place, stranding them all at the store where they'd gone to pick up our deck gazebo. [Our truck is camper-full, but I guess it gets to make the trip too, now.]) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Duracool as r-12 replacement
yes Is the compressor the same? Pulley size and all? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: High pressure A/C leak?
Didn't you write something about replacing a compressor seal some time ago, Jim? I've not yet replaced a shaft seal. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Cheap 190E
Jim Cathey wrote: [Our truck is camper-full, but I guess it gets to make the trip too, now.]) Can a Mogicrane carry a loaded Hunday? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Cheap 190E
Can a Mogicrane carry a loaded Hunday? Bed's too short! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: High pressure A/C leak?
On the Nippndenso compressors it's not bad, but you do need to clean fhe front very well and have a clean workspace if you do not have the tools to pull the seal parts with the front cover on. Otherwise, you pull the front cover after removing the clutch and bearing assembly, swap the bits, and put it back together. I've done two, both work fine. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Duracool as r-12 replacement
yea Jim Cathey wrote: yes Is the compressor the same? Pulley size and all? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mitchel 300D engine cheatsheet (pdf)
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 13:21:15 -0400 Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Found this today, figured someone else might find it useful. I can possibly grab ones for other years/models as well. http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20100708/f020d8a6/attachment.pdf Nifty. Lots of good information. Figure 3 on page 5-181, however, is incomplete -- there is not enough information there to make the tool. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
