Ready to paint, or you can leave it as is and use it for a taxi.
At least he didn't say RARE AUTOMATIC! as if it were a feature.
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Dieselhead wrote:
See Alex's 603 filter change, cranking forever thread. Get it running
first. warm it up. change oil. start it up. run it a few days unless
fuel filters are plugged. then change one thing at a time, and run it in
between. Gives you a chance to learn the car and its quirks
Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes:
See Alex's 603 filter change, cranking forever thread. Get it running
first. warm it up. change oil. start it up. run it a few days unless
fuel filters are plugged. then change one thing at a time, and run it
in between. Gives you a chance to learn
Ha! That thing has been around for a bit now... Generally cars in Newark
should be avoided. But this is really a disaster.
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Ready to paint, or you can leave it as is and use it for a taxi.
At least he didn't say RARE
More reasons I advocate manual transmissions!
-Rolf
On 08/17/2011 12:31 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
A pull start is more dangerous (to the car) than having the battery tested
at the FLAPS.
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You are absolutely correct. We don't need term limits, we need voters with some
guts. I'm telling everyone I know that next election they should vote for
anyone else on the ballot instead of the (I) even if they have to write someone
in or simply with hold their vote. Voters have
We need to ban political (campaign?) contributions. I believe that
politicians should be paid at the median income of their district. Being
a politician should be a hardship (as it once was) not a privilege.
BTW this is where I argue my politics :
It needs compression as well, without that it will not run.
On 8/16/2011 10:53 PM, Luther's Benz wrote:
Have you tried this start process with diesel purge from just under the
hood?nbsp;
Are you in a situation where you can pull start it?nbsp;If it won't pull
start, then fuel blockage/leakage
OT or not, politics on the list is not allowed. Lets end it now before
it gets out of hand.
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What are you trying to retain with that wall?
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 1:39 AM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote:
Well actually I have a HTC Kaiser with slide out keyboard and wireless
capabilities but I really need a full size keyboard for my fat fingers to
punch on.
Plus it's
Those 16 valve Baby Benzes used to be considered highly desirable and sold
at a premium. Has the world moved on. or is this a good opportunity for a
collector?
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes:
See Alex's 603
ROFLMAO!
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:
OT or not, politics on the list is not allowed. Lets end it now before it
gets out of hand.
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Some silly questions:
Does the car have a block heater? Is so, plug it in for several hours and
try again... the engine can be heated until its warm to the touch this way.
And, are you cranking with your foot on the pedal? I can't remember where I
read this, but I recall that having the pedal
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 6:43 AM, andrew strasfogel
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Those 16 valve Baby Benzes used to be considered highly desirable and sold
at a premium. Has the world moved on. or is this a good opportunity for a
collector?
You talking about the two-tone horror in the Jamie's
Thanks for all the help, guys! To address all the advice and questions at once:
- Jamie asked about the block heater. Great idea. It is an '87 so
has the factory block heater, and I have the cable, just never
bothered to hook it up. Right now the car is sitting on grass at an
angle, so it's
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:
Yes, I'm quite sure. After two fills of M1 ATF, it shifts very nicely.
I'm baffled. OK, time for a poll. I know a half-dozen of the regular
posters and any number of lurkers have '87 300Ds and 300DTs. Whose
cars
Do you have a digital sound recorder, or a laptop with a microphone in it?
Record it, play it back at reduced speed, and count the compression
strokes. Chugs per second x 20 = rpm on a four stroke six cylinder.
100rpm would be 5 chugs per second.
Mitch.
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
- Peter
W124 diesels start in first. Wagon gassers start in 2nd, I think the sedans in
first, I'll have to check with my brother -- didn't notice when I drove it a
couple weeks ago.
Peter
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On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:
W124 diesels start in first.
Not mine.
Alex
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Please explain how a pull start is dangerous to the car? nbsp;Mercedes
specifically designed these robust diesels to be pull started if needed.
Luther
On Aug 16, 2011 11:31 PM, Walt Zarnoch lt;zarnoch...@gmail.comgt; wrote:
A pull start is more dangerous (to the car) than having the battery
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:
W124 diesels start in first.
Not mine.
I've got a 'new model' shop book for the 116.120.
Among the things described there is the electrical box that forces the 2nd gear
start transmission
Luther's Benz wrote:
Please explain how a pull start is dangerous to the car? nbsp;Mercedes
specifically designed these robust diesels to be pull started if needed.
Rope towing is less safe crashwise than sitting in a parked car while turning a
key?
Mitch.
I think MB decided almost at random which models to start in 2nd. My '84 190D
starts in 2nd BTW, its quite noticeable when it drops into 1st if you hit the
kickdown switch.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:53:58 -0400
From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Do you have a digital sound recorder, or a laptop with a microphone in it?
Record it, play it back at reduced speed, and count the compression strokes.
Chugs per second x 20 = rpm on a four stroke six cylinder.
100rpm would
Cranking RPMs can be gauged by looking at the tach, should be around 400-500
RPM
Luther
On Aug 17, 2011 11:02 AM, Alex Chamberlain lt;apchamberl...@gmail.comgt;
wrote:
Thanks for all the help, guys! To address all the advice and questions at once:
- Jamie asked about the block
Walt, et al.
This country is a Republic, not a democracy. per se. They are not bound
to represent those that voted for them.
My wife bought me a tee shirt that says. Yet, despite the look on my
face, you're still talking.
I'll go away now.
Trying to get my 300TD an antique plate, so that I can
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Luther's Benz benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:
Cranking RPMs can be gauged by looking at the tach, should be around 400-500
RPM
Peter says 100, I'm getting about 140. Who's right?
Alex
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Should stink of fuel too while you're trying.
Have you tried jumping the car off another while cranking? How long is a long
time cranking? A good battery ought to be able to crank for a solid minute
anyway.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:52:17 -0500
From: Peter Frederick
I occasionally forget to downshift and start in 3rd :D.
-Rolf
On 08/17/2011 12:27 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
W124 diesels start in first. Wagon gassers start in 2nd, I think the sedans in
first, I'll have to check with my brother -- didn't notice when I drove it a
couple weeks ago.
Peter
I was actually thinking the other day that we need an amendment to remove
personhood from the rights a corporation has therefore remove all rights for
corporate donations to political anythings.
While we're at it remove political action committees, the candidate can get
his/her little donations
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
Should stink of fuel too while you're trying.
It does.
Have you tried jumping the car off another while cranking?
Yep, no difference.
How long is a long time cranking? A good battery ought to be able to crank
for a
With a good battery you should be able to crank for at least 1 minute with no
slow down.
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On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:00 AM, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote:
With a good battery you should be able to crank for at least 1 minute with no
slow down.
OK, I think this is a critical point then. It can only crank for 15
seconds before slowing down significantly. Defective battery? (It's
15 seconds of cranking is too short by about 45 seconds. That could be your
whole problem right there.
When I do any fuel work on my 124s, sometimes I need three or more attempts
that are each about 1 minute long, with 2 or 3 minutes of rest in between.
Max
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I think it means time for a new battery.
Can you take the battery to your FLAPS for a load test?
Max
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Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
I will second that. At idle I think its 5cc per injection stroke. At
400RPM its going to be considerably less.
-Rolf
On 08/17/2011 01:07 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
15 seconds of cranking is too short by about 45 seconds. That could be your
whole problem right there.
When I do any fuel work on my
Or just buy 2 and put them in parallel.
-Rolf
On 08/17/2011 01:11 PM, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote:
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Remove the fan and heatsink from the processor. Scrape underside of heatsink
and clean as much gunk off processor as possible without damaging. Put on
new heat grease, reinstall heatsink. Fire it up and watch problems melt away
no wait, that's just the grease.
EdB
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at
I simply count the shifts (3) as I accelerate, leave the transmission in D.
Max
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On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:
Yes, I'm quite
buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote:
Diesel's always want the very best battery you can buy. Spare no expense.
Is it a full size group 49 or similar, or one of those little modern things?
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7 per second * 60 seconds = 420 per minute.
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Do you have a digital sound recorder, or a laptop with a
Max Dillon wrote:
7 per second * 60 seconds = 420 *pulses* per minute.
* 2 revs per pulse / 6 cylinders = 140 rpm.
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I think it means a bad battery, should be 30+ seconds before it slows down
noticeably. Could be a bad starter the slows down as it warms up?
Either way if it were my car and I could get a reliable helper (not always that
easy) I'd be up for a tow start at this point.
-Curt
Date: Wed, 17 Aug
Ooooh another thought, whats the rate on slow charge on your charger? On mine
its 2a. Group 49 batteries at 900-1100cca but that doesn't tell us the long
term capacity. I'm gonna guess, based on size its around 100ah so with your
charger assuming you only run down to 75% thats still 12.5 hours
If it is a group 49 battery and it is new and does this, it is probably the
starter. As voltage drops the amperage increases which will kill a good
battery quickly. My vote is starter not battery but since when does
my vote count.
Rusty Cullens
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I was wondering if it could be starter winding resistance going up with heat.
Mitch.
Curt Raymond wrote:
I think it means a bad battery, should be 30+ seconds before it slows down
noticeably. Could be a bad starter the slows down as it warms up?
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Ooooh another thought, whats the rate on slow charge on your charger? On mine its 2a. Group 49 batteries at 900-1100cca but that doesn't tell us the long term capacity.
I was thinking 135 minutes at 25A.
Interstate says 130 minutes for Megatron MT-49.
That's half way down, not all the way down!
I wouldn't concentrate on the GPs so much... in warm weather, especially
with a block heater, glowing until the relay clicks and cranking for a while
should be more than enough.
An addition, the engine should be turning over pretty quickly if its
Im almost deperate enough to pay for new from Rusty. Anyone?
-Rolf
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Wow that would be cool fred-a TD @ chowdahQ- a first.
Dwight
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Yes same with my 90 300D 2.5t. Starts in 2nd-can feel kickdown into 1st. My
240D started in 4th-or so it seemed.
Dwight
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I second the pull start at this point. nbsp;It will eliminate intake, exhaust,
and fuel as the issue. nbsp;Then it could be electrical.
Luther
On Aug 17, 2011 12:32 PM, Curt Raymond lt;curtlud...@yahoo.comgt; wrote:
I think it means a bad battery, should be 30+ seconds before it slows down
Lame excuse :)
Luther
On Aug 17, 2011 11:40 AM, Mitch Haley lt;m...@voyager.netgt; wrote:
Luther's Benz wrote:
gt; Please explain how a pull start is dangerous to the car?
amp;nbsp;Mercedes specifically designed these robust diesels to be pull
started if needed.
Rope towing is less safe
What is a 602?
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What is a 602?
Oelmotor. 5 cylinder version of an OM603.
I forget what Rolf wanted, a used water hose?
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Mainly crash related, and it is more dangerous than checking the battery.
Yep, lame excuse, but eh.
Walt
On Aug 17, 2011 12:37 PM, Lutherapos;s Benz benz-n-h...@gulseth.net
wrote:
Please explain how a pull start is dangerous to the car? nbsp;Mercedes
specifically designed these robust diesels
Curt Raymond wrote:
I think it means a bad battery, should be 30+ seconds before
it slows down noticeably. Could be a bad starter the slows
down as it warms up?
Either way if it were my car and I could get a reliable helper
(not always that easy) I'd be up for a tow start at this point.
Oh thats a pretty bad idea IMO. Much better off running in parallel for
extended run time. Not to mention burning out the starter. The motoroam
has a 24v starter its 2x the size of the 617 started which is already
huge to me.
-Rolf
On 08/17/2011 03:20 PM, Fmiser wrote:
Curt Raymond wrote:
I
Whoa whoa whoa... lets just take a step back now and look at whats going on
here.
This was a running car before the filter change, right?
Now, with a new filter, it doesn't run any more.
DO NOT tow start it, apply 24V, or any other tricks. This is not a car
that has sat for 20 years!!
Step
http://jeemu.kuvat.fi/kuvat/BMW E21 (diesel)/IMG_2691.JPG/full
U tube from tstat housing to aux water pump.
-Rolf
On 08/17/2011 03:12 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
What is a 602?
Oelmotor. 5 cylinder version of an OM603.
I forget what Rolf wanted, a used water hose?
Thanks for all the help, guys! To address all the advice and
questions at once:
- Jamie asked about the block heater. Great idea. It is an '87 so
has the factory block heater, and I have the cable, just never
bothered to hook it up. Right now the car is sitting on grass at an
angle, so it's
What is up with gmail and inability to use keyboard arrow keys?
Arrow keys work today...
The next gmail issue to solve is the yellow band across many email to
this list that tell me the email is potential phishing.
mao
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'Just noticed that GM's OnStar system is now available for installation on
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and 126's are not shown as being compatible, likely 'cause OnStar engineers
haven't considered it. My 124 and 126 don't have any automatic
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote:
Whoa whoa whoa... lets just take a step back now and look at whats going on
here.
This was a running car before the filter change, right?
Now, with a new filter, it doesn't run any more.
It was running a year ago.
The next gmail issue to solve is the yellow band across many email to
this list that tell me the email is potential phishing.
Not gonna happen, that is there because the sender is claiming to be a Gmail
user but the transmitting server is not Google's.
It bugged me until I figured it out, now
If you smell warm wiring at 30seconds, something is loose or worn in the
wiring. nbsp;Check ALL connections from the battery to the starter. nbsp;Do
this before condemning the starter
Luther
On Aug 17, 2011 5:40 PM, Alex Chamberlain lt;apchamberl...@gmail.comgt;
wrote:
On Wed, Aug 17,
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Luther's Benz benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:
If you smell warm wiring at 30seconds, something is loose or worn in the
wiring.
Check ALL connections from the battery to the starter.
Do this before condemning the starter
Ugh. OK, I'll drag out the
It has been suggested to by pass the fuel tank and filter by using a
clean container and a piece of fuel hose.
Whether this has been done or not, I do not know.
Perhaps the shut off mechanism is stuck.
Hendrik
who is off to pick up a machine from machine hospital
Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
Whoa
Whenever asked, I always try to steer people away from the massive laptops, be
they Apple or PC. The initial thought is, Wow, how great would that be, to
have a 17 screen! After they lug one of those beasts around for a couple of
days the luster wears off. They're heavy and they don't fit in
Dreamer.
Not mine, etc.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred
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What's the easiest, safest way to bypass
the GP relay and power the GPs directly off the battery? Run a fat
wire from the positive terminal to the GP fuse?
Isn't a good one. That fuse is 'hot' all the time. The
internal relay contacts are what you'd need to assert.
What's a good way to
It can only crank for 15
seconds before slowing down significantly. Defective battery? (It's
brand new, NAPA's mid-priced line.)
Group 49? 15 seconds is sucky.
Defective charger? (I'll try one
of my Battery Tenders instead of the Schumacher.) What else?
Defective starter? Can measure
I bought a 12 PB for my niece for college -- she loves it. Easy to
carry, light, and she still has young eyes and can see the screen
well. Great for dragging around to classes, and easier to use for
writing since the screen is longer rather than wider.
I still drag around a TiBook (1
That starter will draw 900 amps on a cold engine -- if the battery
won't crank it full speed for more than 15 sec it's not big enough.
As Jim said, but really must be a new series 49 battery. Others will
fit, but you need the deep cycle characteristics and high current
draw capability of
I wouldn't go too far with electrical detail, if it's a new battery of
proper size I would think it will be obvious - starter wire to chassis or
the like. I would bet you can feel a hot wire, then figure out where it's
shorting.
Another possibility - I had a bad battery connection in my Volvo,
Yes - They idle in second, then immediatly shift into first as you
accelerate from a stop. i've adjusted the modulator on the hard side on the
assumption that the bands will last a little longer, and because I like
crisp shifts. The result is that the shifts are easier to count -- all four
of
AMEN, brother! We have the best government money can buy - and only the
govenment bought by money. The common (not rich) man has no voice (because
he believes and votes for what he sees on TV).
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
I was actually thinking
I've had starting problems due to a poor connection on the chassis end of
the grounding strap between the engine and the chassis, but this was on the
115 chassis cars. I cleaned and re-assembled with new bolts (on the chassis
end), and added a second strap on the other side of the engine. Never
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Luther's Benz
benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:
If you smell warm wiring at 30seconds, something is loose or
worn in the wiring. Check ALL connections from the battery
to the starter. Do this before condemning the starter
Ugh.
It's to retain soil, sort of a decorative thing to create a garden bed
in our front yard.
Will post some pictures when I get a round to it.
Hendrik
who is off to the round to it shop
andrew strasfogel wrote:
What are you trying to retain with that wall?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-GD-not-Land-Cruiser-Hilux-Triton-/140589740400?pt=AU_Carshash=item20bbcd3170
See, yellow is not so bad.
Hendrik
who hasn't got the money for more toys
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See, yellow is not so bad.
Reserve not met at AU$4500! That's about US$5K. Amazing. That
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