Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates

2011-12-23 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
I must say, I ignore anyone that sends me a text message about a car. If they can't call, they're not worth wasting my time. The type of people who text message as their first line of communication around here are generally the type I want to avoid contact with. Jaime On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at

Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

2011-12-23 Thread Curt Raymond
Not knowing what they're doing and putting in a poor effort are not the same thing... -Curt Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:33:08 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton Message-ID: m1zkek6pij@cs.indiana.edu

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-23 Thread Curt Raymond
Good luck with that. I've never seen a Genius based repair that took less than 2 weeks for what I could do in 2 hours... BTW its nVidia not Nvideo and the video card is part of the logic board (known as a motherboard on every other computer) and a big thank you to Apple for making them one

Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

2011-12-23 Thread Curt Raymond
The College Board says the average cost of a 4 year education is still like $5-7000 a year. The maroons going to the $30k schools are doing so for the big name, not the big education. I went to Fitchburg State College (now Fitchburg State University) in dumpy little Fitchburg, MA. I paid

Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates

2011-12-23 Thread Mitch Haley
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Seller: You're confused. A heater core replacement on a 114 takes 14+ hours, the heat relay switch only takes 1! Gee, in several texts, you managed to NOT say whether the blower blows air, but claimed that a relay can be replaced in 1/14th the time required to replace

Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

2011-12-23 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: The College Board says the average cost of a 4 year education is still like $5-7000 a year. The maroons going to the $30k schools are doing so for the big name, not the big education. The cheapest state university in Michigan is something like $4800 a semester for

Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

2011-12-23 Thread OK Don
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: a failure of culture and society to value education BINGO! We have a winner! OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___

Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates

2011-12-23 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Gee, in several texts, you managed to NOT say whether the blower blows air, but claimed that a relay can be replaced in 1/14th the time required to replace your dead blower. ... bringing to mind the evergreen question, If

[MBZ] OT: Calipers and anti-lock brakes

2011-12-23 Thread Curt Raymond
The front calipers on my 2003 Ford Ranger are sticky, they've got Akebono pads in them so I don't want some goober messing with them. My local Car Quest has the calipers in stock... Problem for me is they've got ABS and I'm under the impression you need a pressure bleeder when dealing with

Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates

2011-12-23 Thread Randy Bennell
I do not really even know how to text but if I wanted the car, I would figure out how to do so. Randy On 23/12/2011 8:38 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Gee, in several texts, you managed to NOT say whether the blower blows

Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates

2011-12-23 Thread Jim Cathey
Seller: You're confused. A heater core replacement on a 114 takes 14+ hours, the heat relay switch only takes 1! Technically true, and a cause of a fair number of blower problems, but far from the first-line cause IMHO. The guy's either lying or stupid. I think my 114 had a blower selector

Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates

2011-12-23 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Yeah I agree. It's a bit passive and disrespectful. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 23, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I must say, I ignore anyone that sends me a text message about a car. If they can't call, they're not worth wasting my time. The type of people who

Re: [MBZ] Nice 300SDL, crackhead dealer

2011-12-23 Thread andrew strasfogel
Were I interested in the car, I would ask the seller what would it take to make this car showroom/factory perfect? On 12/23/11, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: http://clients.automanager.com/015606/vehicle-details/d945e3ac9db2644989452c05c65c518c/default.html Awfully

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-23 Thread andrew strasfogel
Sorry for my faux pas. FWIW, the UG* said they would fix everything on the computer that needs fixin' while replacing the bad part. *uber genius On 12/23/11, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Good luck with that. I've never seen a Genius based repair that took less than 2 weeks for

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-23 Thread Jim Cathey
BTW its nVidia not Nvideo and the video card is part of the logic board (known as a motherboard on every other computer) Erroneously, if you ask me. Logic board is more correct, since the board is not a 'mother' to others. and a big thank you to Apple for making them one piece. This is

Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

2011-12-23 Thread G Mann
Allen, I apologize, I now see we are both expressing the same concerns from different viewpoints. The concern issue is how do we best educate our children as a society. If it were a perfect world, I suppose that would be by some sort of injection of knowledge like polio vaccine. It's both not a

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-23 Thread Peter Frederick
The usual problem with those video chips (and it's not isolated to the Macbooks, by the way) is poor soldering and inadequate cooling, with the result that the surface mount chip solder connection (these are ball grid array, meaning that the connections are a grid on the bottom of the

Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon

2011-12-23 Thread Jim Cathey
Jill's been having persistent starting troubles on the Chicken Wagon, but all the GP's are (now) good. It cranks just fine, but won't start. Intermittently, according to her. To me it sounds like the GP's just aren't doing their job well. Today I had a chance to dig into it a little bit. I

Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates

2011-12-23 Thread Allan Streib
http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2737613709.html Considerably more money. If the AC works, does that mean the heater blower works? Allan Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com writes: Saw what appeared to be a creampuff '76 300D on Craigslist for $1750, no email listed, just a cell

Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates

2011-12-23 Thread Allan Streib
Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes: On Dec 23, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I ignore anyone that sends me a text message about a car. Yeah I agree. It's a bit passive and disrespectful. I can see it both ways. Often I find texting to be more

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-23 Thread Allan Streib
andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com writes: FWIW, the UG* said they would fix everything on the computer that needs fixin' while replacing the bad part. That's because replacing the logic board is essentially giving you a new computer. It's an all-in-one assembly. Allan -- 1983 300D

Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

2011-12-23 Thread Allan Streib
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Not knowing what they're doing and putting in a poor effort are not the same thing... But in the situation I'm thinking of, it's both. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used

Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

2011-12-23 Thread Allan Streib
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: The College Board says the average cost of a 4 year education is still like $5-7000 a year. The maroons going to the $30k schools are doing so for the big name, not the big education. I think you are absolutely right, especially for an undergraduate

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-23 Thread Dieselhead
It is illogical. andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com writes: logic board Apple-speak for motherboard. Not sure why they use that term. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

2011-12-23 Thread Dieselhead
They love Big Greedy Gummit and Greedy Big Ed. Yo usee, my greed is not greedy, but yours is! a relative of NIMBY, like certain SOOOIE-Preme CT justices. (I can take your land, but don't try using eminent domain to take mine for a development) . What's the position of the Occupy

Re: [MBZ] OT: Calipers and anti-lock brakes

2011-12-23 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: Problem for me is they've got ABS and I'm under the impression you need a pressure bleeder when dealing with ABS. I borrowed Dad's Dakota last month and popped a front hose. Didn't have any problem bleeding it the old fashioned way after replacing the hose (and it had

Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

2011-12-23 Thread Rich Thomas
It takes (mostly) parents instilling an interest in learning for a child to become educated. This begins when the child is an infant, by reading and talking to the child so s/he can learn language and all that implies. Then books, lots of books. By the time children reach the education

Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon

2011-12-23 Thread andrew strasfogel
Jim, it would help if you included the official MB model number in addition to the term chicken wagon, for the benefit of those who don't know or (like me) have forgotten. Incidentally, I called Roadside a couple times when my previous 1983 300TD wouldn't start at all despite glowing and

Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates

2011-12-23 Thread Dan Penoff
I am a recent advocate of texting, as my work does not allow me to get or make calls in most cases. Texting gives me a written record and allows me to respond when it's most convenient, as opposed to waiting until I can call and risk not getting a hold of the person. Dan On Dec 23, 2011, at

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-23 Thread andrew strasfogel
Incidentally, the Uber Genius told me that my 2008 MBP would be categorized as a vintage computer in a year, which means either that Apple will stop supporting it or that all recalls will no longer apply. On 12/23/11, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: It is illogical. andrew strasfogel

Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

2011-12-23 Thread andrew strasfogel
Not always such a disadvantage. I know of a guy raised by a single mom with an absentee dad who grew up to become President! Then there was the kid with the alcoholic and abusive dad who also ended up at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. You never know... On 12/23/11, Rich Thomas

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-23 Thread Peter Frederick
Logic board is the standard terminology from way back. Apple has used the term since the Apple I. Motherboard was a term used by PC clone makers, I seem to remember. Logic board makes more sense, as the hardware logic used to operate the machine resides there. Besides, Jobs would have

Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates

2011-12-23 Thread Craig
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:07:09 -0500 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2737613709.html Considerably more money. If the AC works, does that mean the heater blower works? No. The 114 (and 115) had two blowers, one for the AC and one for the

Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon

2011-12-23 Thread Craig
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:00:15 -0800 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The GP's, however, were only getting at most 10V on them. I measured 0.2V drop on ground side of battery to the engine block, which was good. Between the battery positive post to the relay power post I measured a 2V

Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon

2011-12-23 Thread WILTON
Cooler temps? ;)) Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:00:15 -0800 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The GP's, however, were

Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

2011-12-23 Thread Rich Thomas
Again it is the parent(s) (which might include the grandparents or other family in loco parentis) who instill a certain ethic in the child (reading, school, work, responsibility, integrity, honesty, etc.). A single parent can do that, and many do. A parent whose spouse is abusive or

Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates

2011-12-23 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
I agree completely but I feel that the initial conversation with a stranger should be a bit more formal- phone or email. Texts can follow. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 23, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I am a recent advocate of texting, as my work does not allow me to get

Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates

2011-12-23 Thread OK Don
To pick nits, a '76 300D is a 115, not a 114 --- and the heater fan can be changed in 10 hours if you're willing to enlarge the speaker opening on top of the dash. On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:07:09 -0500 Allan Streib

Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

2011-12-23 Thread G Mann
Using those two examples rather makes the argument that such single parent raising is indeed failure. In the first example, I refer to the impeachment of same, and disbarment, even though not enforced by the Senate, it happened. Any credit for being a Rhodes Scholar is canceled by his well

Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

2011-12-23 Thread Allan Streib
G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com writes: As a pair they represent to me all in government I do NOT agree with and almost everything in personal ethics and social boundaries. Agreed, but I don't think that the ethical high ground can be found anywhere in the political spectrum. Too many examples of

Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

2011-12-23 Thread Allan Streib
G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com writes: As a pair they represent to me all in government I do NOT agree with and almost everything in personal ethics and social boundaries. Agreed, but I don't think that the ethical high ground can be found anywhere in the political spectrum. Too many examples of

[MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL

2011-12-23 Thread WILTON
'Started immediately today with just a touch of the starter after 8 sec glow; temp 62F. 'Took it out for short cruise on new bypass; 'sure cruises nicely at 85; so smooth it feels like flying Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

2011-12-23 Thread G Mann
Point well made and fully taken. Disgust is fast becoming the most common sentiment towards our elected persons, on both sides of the isle. Congress: The only two houses in America that need foreclosed. And that is just a starting point. Grant... AZ... On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Allan

Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL

2011-12-23 Thread Mitch Haley
WILTON wrote: 'Started immediately today with just a touch of the starter after 8 sec glow; temp 62F. Do you know why? Did it begin working before you removed the plug(s)? Or is 62F warmer than during the trouble? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-23 Thread Curt Raymond
A similarly priced HP workstation would get a 3 year ON SITE warranty... I continue to be baffled by people who use Macs for professional work. -Curt Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:00:00 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject:

Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon

2011-12-23 Thread Craig
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:38:37 -0500 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: We seem to have a lot of talk about glow plugs recently. I wonder why! :-) Cooler temps? ;)) Yeah, that might have something to do with it! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-23 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Dec 23, 2011 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I continue to be baffled by people who use Macs for professional work. I don't want to start a religious war here, but it's not always about price or even reliability. There are reasons why design for print is overwhelmingly

Re: [MBZ] Looking For an MB (Again)

2011-12-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
There is nothing more expensive to maintain about a 124 v a 123 or 126. On 12/21/2011 2:08 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Have already seen these cars on CL. No projects - I don't have the time or the space for a project - I need a decent runner with minimal issues. I am leery of the W124 mainly due

Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates

2011-12-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I think you should do a class on that at the next OkieQ On 12/23/2011 3:33 PM, OK Don wrote: To pick nits, a '76 300D is a 115, not a 114 --- and the heater fan can be changed in 10 hours if you're willing to enlarge the speaker opening on top of the dash. On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:31 PM,

Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates

2011-12-23 Thread Dan Penoff
Having done this per the factory procedure, I would suggest that if you're going to spend 10 hours doing it through the speaker opening you might as well do it the right way. If you're even remotely competent, you can do the RR in 10 hours. Dan (who has the scars to show for it) On Dec 23,

Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL

2011-12-23 Thread WILTON
It's warmer. 10 degrees or so. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL WILTON wrote: 'Started immediately today with just a touch

Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL

2011-12-23 Thread WILTON
'Sposed to go dwn to 30 tonight; we'll see what it does in the morning. BTW, 'removed only #1 plug. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-23 Thread Peter Frederick
Color management on a Mac is doable, if not exactly easy. On a Windoze machine, you simply MUST have calibration equipment that is very expensive and difficult to use, and even then it's no better than Colorsync. Microsoft support for color matching seems to be essentially not present,

Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL

2011-12-23 Thread Dieselhead
Sounds good! What caused the problem is still unknown. A good 126 is indeed a pleasure to drive. To me it is still the best highway car ever made. 'Started immediately today with just a touch of the starter after 8 sec glow; temp 62F. 'Took it out for short cruise on new bypass; 'sure

Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL

2011-12-23 Thread Dieselhead
Ode to the 126 SDL and SD In this case, named Rudy In your best Gene Autry voice To the tune of Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer Rudy the Big Long MB Had a very steady ride And if you ever drove it You would even say its smooth All of the other MBs Are really great to drive Diesel will last far

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-23 Thread Curt Raymond
Sheesh I'd forgotten all about the Mac/Windows gamma shift. It wasn't much though, maybe 10-15% and you can easily correct for it with the video card's software. If you're working professionally with a Mac and it fails you schedule an appointment and head over to the Apple store at the mall.

Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates

2011-12-23 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
That said, I also avoid buying any car where the seller requests texts! Call me old fashioned, but I do send several hundred texts a month, many for business, and many overseas. My point is, very little can be accomplished via text message in the case of selling a car. Jaime On Fri, Dec 23,

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-23 Thread Brian Toscano
I'd rather find my may to an Apple store if the laptop fails that deal with Windows any more than I have to. On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Sheesh I'd forgotten all about the Mac/Windows gamma shift. It wasn't much though, maybe 10-15% and you can

Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL

2011-12-23 Thread Mitch Haley
Dieselhead wrote: Sounds good! What caused the problem is still unknown. I recall a few years ago, somebody had problems starting a diesel whenever they parked the car nose-up, particularly when the fuel level in the tank was low. Seemed random before they made the connection to gravity.

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-23 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: If you're working professionally with a Mac and it fails you schedule an appointment and head over to the Apple store at the mall. I thought if you were working professionally with a Mac and it fails, you get out the spare Mac, sort of like keeping a spare tire in your

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-23 Thread Dan Penoff
That depends. If you are a corporate or education customer, there are qualified VARs that provide support. And as an HP certified technician who used to support a part of a 40,000+ node enterprise, I can tell you that the guy who comes to fix your HP stuff is most likely not an HP employee,

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-23 Thread Dieselhead
There are independents who will come to your site and often have loaners if the repair requires waiting for parts. I have never been to a Apple Store, and I don't care to. I know a couple of good independents that I trust far more than the company schmucks. Apple is a pain when the main

Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL

2011-12-23 Thread Dieselhead
yep! Dieselhead wrote: Sounds good! What caused the problem is still unknown. I recall a few years ago, somebody had problems starting a diesel whenever they parked the car nose-up, particularly when the fuel level in the tank was low. Seemed random before they made the connection to

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-23 Thread OK Don
We used Wintel boxes in the graphics department until we got the honking color Xerox machine, then went to Macs for the color management. The Macs have been no more reliable nor less prone to crashes than Windows, but the color management is better. On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Peter

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-23 Thread Peter Frederick
For those who don't know what color matching is and means, it's the ability to reproduce the image on the screen exactly in print, taking into account all the variations inherent in monitors, illumination, and reproduction devices. It's a huge problem in photo reproduction (printing

Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

2011-12-23 Thread Mountain Man
OK Don wrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:  a failure of culture and society to value education BINGO! We have a winner! Yes, a winner - thanks R. Keeping in mind that the operators of education say that education is their goal,

Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

2011-12-23 Thread Mountain Man
--R wrote: Throwing more money at the schools will never ever never make up for that... Read The Law written in 1848 by Frederic Bastiat. It is available online as a pdf. It is a short pamphlet describing exactly what you say. mao ___

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-23 Thread Dieselhead
Yep, then there is dell that will let you talk to somebody in India. And then there are the times they (Hp, Dell or ?) claim it is the OS. Call M$ and you get to talk to somebody in India. If you get get them to escalate, then you get to talk to another schmuck in india the next day. After

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-23 Thread Brian Toscano
I purchased my Mac in October 2007 and have never reinstalled the OS. I've upgraded the OS a few times, and copied it to a new hard drive when I upgraded to a larger one, but never reinstalled :-) The laptop was thinner and lighter (especially the power supply) than the 17 Dell I was issued at

Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement

2011-12-23 Thread Max
Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The IP to block oring is important to replace. i coat it with just a little RTV to make sure it stays in place for assembly. I believe that Marshall said that RTV was prohibited from use on any MB diesel with piston-cooling oil jets, but I can find no

Re: [MBZ] OT: Calipers and anti-lock brakes

2011-12-23 Thread Max
They'll probably bleed just fine. Pressure bleeder is required to change the fluid held by the ABS pump and plumbing. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-23 Thread Jim Cathey
Logic board is the standard terminology from way back. Apple has used the term since the Apple I. Motherboard was a term used by PC clone makers, I seem to remember. It's an easy distinction. Both the Apple II, and its later pseudo-clone IBM PC, had card slots. The Apple, at least, did not

Re: [MBZ] Chicken Wagon

2011-12-23 Thread Jim Cathey
Jim, it would help if you included the official MB model number in addition to the term chicken wagon, for the benefit of those who don't know or (like me) have forgotten. It's a 1983 300D. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] 114 seller equivocates

2011-12-23 Thread Jim Cathey
Considerably more money. If the AC works, does that mean the heater blower works? No. No correlation at all, really. Not on that model. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives