Re: [MBZ] Final gun comment
It's way easier picking on innocent 5 year olds than an adult who has real guns and is a serious threat to do real mayhem. On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:47 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: After the following incident I'm convinced that gun possession is a serious risk, that all guns should be confiscated, and that the penalties for possession should be severe: MOUNT CARMEL, Pa. - A 5-year-old Pennsylvania girl who told another girl she was going to shoot her with a pink toy gun that blows soapy bubbles has been suspended from kindergarten. Her family has hired an attorney to fight the punishment, which initially was 10 days but was reduced to two. Attorney Robin Ficker says Mount Carmel Area School District officials labeled the girl a terrorist threat for the bubble gun remark, made Jan. 10 as both girls waited for a school bus. Ficker says the girl didn't even have the bubble gun with her and has never fired a real gun. He says she's the least terroristic person in Pennsylvania. School district solicitor Edward Greco tells pennlive.com ( http://bit.ly/13Nu0QF) officials are looking into the case. He said Friday school officials aren't at liberty to discuss disciplinary actions. http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2020166781_apusbubblegunsuspension.html Gerry..who is turning in his soap bubble guns tomorrow ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Final gun comment
We had an incident this week where an elementary student brought a toy gun to school in their backpack, and it was reported by a fellow student. No discipline was taken, just a Parent Link call made to all of the households about not allowing their children to bring any sort of weapon, toy or otherwise, to school. It barely made the news. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 18, 2013, at 11:47 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: After the following incident I'm convinced that gun possession is a serious risk, that all guns should be confiscated, and that the penalties for possession should be severe: MOUNT CARMEL, Pa. - A 5-year-old Pennsylvania girl who told another girl she was going to shoot her with a pink toy gun that blows soapy bubbles has been suspended from kindergarten. Her family has hired an attorney to fight the punishment, which initially was 10 days but was reduced to two. Attorney Robin Ficker says Mount Carmel Area School District officials labeled the girl a terrorist threat for the bubble gun remark, made Jan. 10 as both girls waited for a school bus. Ficker says the girl didn't even have the bubble gun with her and has never fired a real gun. He says she's the least terroristic person in Pennsylvania. School district solicitor Edward Greco tells pennlive.com ( http://bit.ly/13Nu0QF) officials are looking into the case. He said Friday school officials aren't at liberty to discuss disciplinary actions. http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2020166781_apusbubblegunsuspension.html Gerry..who is turning in his soap bubble guns tomorrow ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
Hi Kaleb, You have a group of people who want to talk about all sorts of subjects other than Mercedes. Why don't you set up a Mercedes Social List for discussion only and let the members of the group enforce the Mercedes Repair list for Mercedes discussions only? The Mercedes Banned List will never serve as a discussion list because profanity, personal attacks, and anything goes do not go well with thoughtful discussion and many won't go there. Gerry From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Now we are really going off the deep end of off topic. Lets not forget these same people who think we need to take away guns because they will kill people are in favor of abortion. I guess it's ok to kill kids when they might be an inconvenient problem at the time. On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:54 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I still can't understand the irrational fear some people have of guns. I think it is just a stigma passed down to them by their environment. Possibly because in the Northeast and other areas that are anti-gun most gun owners are cops and criminals. In other parts of the country guns are just part of life and no big deal. What annoys me the most is that these anti-gun people seem to want federal bans on guns as if they know what's good for the entire country (and the rest of us are just ignorant rednecks and hillbillies) On Jan 18, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: The tactic sounds interesting, but totally not necessary for my life. Dude, we gotta get you a job, so you can have a life... Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Final gun comment
Dan Penoff wrote: We had an incident this week where an elementary student brought a toy gun to school in their backpack, and it was reported by a fellow student. No discipline was taken, just a Parent Link call made to all of the households about not allowing their children to bring any sort of weapon, toy or otherwise, to school. It barely made the news. Kids taking toys to school is not news. Kids being denied their education because they took toys to school, now that's news, and I hope it doesn't become 'not news'. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
You beat me to it! --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 19, 2013, at 2:21 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:54 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: (and the rest of us are just ignorant rednecks and hillbillies) Hey. I resemble that remark :-) Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Final soap box gun comment
Excellent example of Hoploplobia in action, thank you for sharing. I suppose there comes a time in every thread when the 1st Amendment right to speak freely is overcome by the moral obligation to shut the hell up.. I for one have reached that apex. A wise man once said: Never argue with an idiot, he will drag you down to his level then beat you with experience. Both sides of this argument are well populated by people with experience, not just on this thread, but worldwide. Grant... -Live Endowment NRA member [5th generation]- Owns slightly more guns than Mercedes-Combat veteran who has been fired upon- Who bought soap bubble depressor toys for his children and expected them to be used responsibly- On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:47 PM, Hendrik and fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmhn, serious indeed. I am thinking she won't be getting a hug from the prez and may well have to go to bed without dinner. Hendrik who used to have an assault soap bubble gun On 19/01/13 15:17, Gerry Archer wrote: After the following incident I'm convinced that gun possession is a serious risk, that all guns should be confiscated, and that the penalties for possession should be severe: MOUNT CARMEL, Pa. - A 5-year-old Pennsylvania girl who told another girl she was going to shoot her with a pink toy gun that blows soapy bubbles has been suspended from kindergarten. Her family has hired an attorney to fight the punishment, which initially was 10 days but was reduced to two. Attorney Robin Ficker says Mount Carmel Area School District officials labeled the girl a terrorist threat for the bubble gun remark, made Jan. 10 as both girls waited for a school bus. Ficker says the girl didn't even have the bubble gun with her and has never fired a real gun. He says she's the least terroristic person in Pennsylvania. School district solicitor Edward Greco tells pennlive.com ( http://bit.ly/13Nu0QF) officials are looking into the case. He said Friday school officials aren't at liberty to discuss disciplinary actions. http://seattletimes.com/html/**nationworld/2020166781_** apusbubblegunsuspension.htmlhttp://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2020166781_apusbubblegunsuspension.html Gerry..who is turning in his soap bubble guns tomorrow __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
Redneck Spring Coming soon to a community near you. No limit, Open season. ;)) Might as well kick a can of camp stove gas into the campfire and liven things up a bit.. hahaha. On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 6:38 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: You beat me to it! --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 19, 2013, at 2:21 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:54 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: (and the rest of us are just ignorant rednecks and hillbillies) Hey. I resemble that remark :-) Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
We already have a list like that, it's called banned lite, nobody uses it Sent from my iPhone On Jan 19, 2013, at 6:56 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Hi Kaleb, You have a group of people who want to talk about all sorts of subjects other than Mercedes. Why don't you set up a Mercedes Social List for discussion only and let the members of the group enforce the Mercedes Repair list for Mercedes discussions only? The Mercedes Banned List will never serve as a discussion list because profanity, personal attacks, and anything goes do not go well with thoughtful discussion and many won't go there. Gerry From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Now we are really going off the deep end of off topic. Lets not forget these same people who think we need to take away guns because they will kill people are in favor of abortion. I guess it's ok to kill kids when they might be an inconvenient problem at the time. On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:54 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I still can't understand the irrational fear some people have of guns. I think it is just a stigma passed down to them by their environment. Possibly because in the Northeast and other areas that are anti-gun most gun owners are cops and criminals. In other parts of the country guns are just part of life and no big deal. What annoys me the most is that these anti-gun people seem to want federal bans on guns as if they know what's good for the entire country (and the rest of us are just ignorant rednecks and hillbillies) On Jan 18, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: The tactic sounds interesting, but totally not necessary for my life. Dude, we gotta get you a job, so you can have a life... Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] ADMIN everyone read
Ok, as much fun as it has been its now time to end the gun discussions. No more posts in this debate. The only gun posts should be discussing guns. Not the current political debate Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SNOW
Chrysler minivans seem light in the rear end to me. Easy to blow unintentional donuts around corners. Throw good tires at them, front and rear, put a little weight in the back and they are awesome in the snow. Mike On Jan 18, 2013 10:47 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: True, but it was still a lousy performing vehicle in the snow even with some weight in the back. The Aerostar was nothing more than a small truck chassis with a minivan body on it. The center of gravity was really high as well, which made it handle poorly. Body roll was a real problem, I thought. For a work vehicle it was great. Lousy as a passenger vehicle, IMHO. Dan On Jan 17, 2013, at 10:11 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: No reason to pay attention to the fact that it was rear wheel drive, the kiss of death in snow country for such vehicles. Right. So we get a really nice used Aerostar. All it really needed was some weight in the back. -- Jim Dunno about the Dorf van, but the dogde caravan scared the snot out of me when i got caught in wet schnee in western Michigan N of GR. I made may way very slowly (because it was friday night about 5 when the snow was pouring down.) to the nearest wallyland and had them put on 2 new allweather tires on the front. After that it was good. Later, I put blizzaks on the front. Even with bald blizzaks the thing will go anywhere on schnee up to when it floats on the belly pan. (same as VW bug) I have been very pleased with Blizzaks on the dogde and the MBs for many winters since then. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
Banned light? The word banned turns off a lot of people. You might change banned light to Mercedes Social or something similar with better results. Of course, there needs to be a little management or tough love. When a member keeps posting non-Mercedes items on the Mercedes list, he needs to be banned from that list after several warnings, but not the social list. I've never seen an internet list prosper that didn't have some management. All this bickering turns off members who are interested in Mercedes but not in guns, abortion, politics, etc., etc. If you don't have time to manage the list, you can appoint a sufficient number of moderators to keep the Mercedes list free of non-Mercedes topics. Warnings would come from the moderators so no individual moderator could be blamed. I belong to a list that has 15 moderators and it works quite well. Gerry We already have a list like that, it's called banned lite, nobody uses it Kaleb Hi Kaleb, You have a group of people who want to talk about all sorts of subjects other than Mercedes. Why don't you set up a Mercedes Social List for discussion only and let the members of the group enforce the Mercedes Repair list for Mercedes discussions only? The Mercedes Banned List will never serve as a discussion list because profanity, personal attacks, and anything goes do not go well with thoughtful discussion and many won't go there. Gerry From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Now we are really going off the deep end of off topic. Lets not forget these same people who think we need to take away guns because they will kill people are in favor of abortion. I guess it's ok to kill kids when they might be an inconvenient problem at the time. On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:54 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I still can't understand the irrational fear some people have of guns. I think it is just a stigma passed down to them by their environment. Possibly because in the Northeast and other areas that are anti-gun most gun owners are cops and criminals. In other parts of the country guns are just part of life and no big deal. What annoys me the most is that these anti-gun people seem to want federal bans on guns as if they know what's good for the entire country (and the rest of us are just ignorant rednecks and hillbillies) On Jan 18, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: The tactic sounds interesting, but totally not necessary for my life. Dude, we gotta get you a job, so you can have a life... Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2639/5543 - Release Date: 01/19/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
So you say there needs to be no off topic posts to this list? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 19, 2013, at 9:23 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Banned light? The word banned turns off a lot of people. You might change banned light to Mercedes Social or something similar with better results. Of course, there needs to be a little management or tough love. When a member keeps posting non-Mercedes items on the Mercedes list, he needs to be banned from that list after several warnings, but not the social list. I've never seen an internet list prosper that didn't have some management. All this bickering turns off members who are interested in Mercedes but not in guns, abortion, politics, etc., etc. If you don't have time to manage the list, you can appoint a sufficient number of moderators to keep the Mercedes list free of non-Mercedes topics. Warnings would come from the moderators so no individual moderator could be blamed. I belong to a list that has 15 moderators and it works quite well. Gerry We already have a list like that, it's called banned lite, nobody uses it Kaleb Hi Kaleb, You have a group of people who want to talk about all sorts of subjects other than Mercedes. Why don't you set up a Mercedes Social List for discussion only and let the members of the group enforce the Mercedes Repair list for Mercedes discussions only? The Mercedes Banned List will never serve as a discussion list because profanity, personal attacks, and anything goes do not go well with thoughtful discussion and many won't go there. Gerry From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Now we are really going off the deep end of off topic. Lets not forget these same people who think we need to take away guns because they will kill people are in favor of abortion. I guess it's ok to kill kids when they might be an inconvenient problem at the time. On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:54 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I still can't understand the irrational fear some people have of guns. I think it is just a stigma passed down to them by their environment. Possibly because in the Northeast and other areas that are anti-gun most gun owners are cops and criminals. In other parts of the country guns are just part of life and no big deal. What annoys me the most is that these anti-gun people seem to want federal bans on guns as if they know what's good for the entire country (and the rest of us are just ignorant rednecks and hillbillies) On Jan 18, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: The tactic sounds interesting, but totally not necessary for my life. Dude, we gotta get you a job, so you can have a life... Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2639/5543 - Release Date: 01/19/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
On Jan 19, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: So you say there needs to be no off topic posts to this list? NO. WE NEED OFF TOPIC POSTS! I, for one, am exceeding grateful for the list wisdom and knowledge imparted on subjects other than Mercedes Benz automobiles. I am enthralled hearing of Gerry's experiences, or Wilton's experiences of growing up back in the day. It is like having a history lesson taught by someone who lived it. I enjoy reading of Rich's, and others home renovation sagas, both the successes and the failures. Where else can you learn about high performance range hoods like Alan's (sp). I like hearing tales of ancient watches being brought back to life with an intricate disassembly and cleaning. I long to read about Breezy airplanes, the NTSB report on an airplane incident, or how Georgia clay needs to be trucked to OK for a better dirt runway. It is gripping to be able to hear and see first hand experiences of those going through disasters, such as Jaime's experience recently with hurricane Sandy. Rogers contributions on Porches, which Bugatti is more exclusive, and newer Mercedes are welcome reading too. I could go on, but you get the point. We need off topic posts, even if we need moderation sometimes. Thank you Kaleb for hosting this list, and thank you to all who post and keep me mentally stimulated. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
I'm saying that when a person joins the Mercedes List they should be encouraged to also become a member of Mercedes Social or whatever you want to call it besides Banned Light. That way, those interested strictly in Mercedes could access only the Mercedes list, and those who want to discuss other subjects could access Mercedes Social or both. Those who persisted in discussing non-Mercedes items on the Mercedes list would be removed for a variable length of time from the Mercedes list after several warnings, but not from the social list. It wouldn't be long before everyone got the message that the Mercedes list was strictly about Mercedes and that it would be enforced. Moderators would probably be essential so you or a single moderator wouldn't be targetted by someone who was removed. You would lose some members who prefer unrestricted lists, but you would probably see more members submitting comments and questions on the Mercedes List. Since this list is primarily a Right Wing list, you probably lose a good many Moderate and Left Wing Mercedes owners. Believe it or not, there are a lot of Moderates and Left Wingers who drive Mercedes. They would be more inclined to join a strictly Mercedes List and buy parts from Rusty. Of course, this is your list and there is nothing right or wrong, good or bad about whatever you do with it. GerryA Moderate who wouldn't have time to be a moderator because he is already a moderator on other lists. From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net So you say there needs to be no off topic posts to this list? On Jan 19, 2013, at 9:23 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Banned light? The word banned turns off a lot of people. You might change banned light to Mercedes Social or something similar with better results. Of course, there needs to be a little management or tough love. When a member keeps posting non-Mercedes items on the Mercedes list, he needs to be banned from that list after several warnings, but not the social list. I've never seen an internet list prosper that didn't have some management. All this bickering turns off members who are interested in Mercedes but not in guns, abortion, politics, etc., etc. If you don't have time to manage the list, you can appoint a sufficient number of moderators to keep the Mercedes list free of non-Mercedes topics. Warnings would come from the moderators so no individual moderator could be blamed. I belong to a list that has 15 moderators and it works quite well. Gerry We already have a list like that, it's called banned lite, nobody uses it Kaleb Hi Kaleb, You have a group of people who want to talk about all sorts of subjects other than Mercedes. Why don't you set up a Mercedes Social List for discussion only and let the members of the group enforce the Mercedes Repair list for Mercedes discussions only? The Mercedes Banned List will never serve as a discussion list because profanity, personal attacks, and anything goes do not go well with thoughtful discussion and many won't go there. Gerry From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Now we are really going off the deep end of off topic. Lets not forget these same people who think we need to take away guns because they will kill people are in favor of abortion. I guess it's ok to kill kids when they might be an inconvenient problem at the time. On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:54 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I still can't understand the irrational fear some people have of guns. I think it is just a stigma passed down to them by their environment. Possibly because in the Northeast and other areas that are anti-gun most gun owners are cops and criminals. In other parts of the country guns are just part of life and no big deal. What annoys me the most is that these anti-gun people seem to want federal bans on guns as if they know what's good for the entire country (and the rest of us are just ignorant rednecks and hillbillies) On Jan 18, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: The tactic sounds interesting, but totally not necessary for my life. Dude, we gotta get you a job, so you can have a life... Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2639/5543 - Release Date: 01/19/13
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
I could go live in an HOA too but I won't. The thing I like about this list is the offtopic talk. If I wanted to just know about Mercedes I could go to peachparts. Moderator is often another term for petty tyrant. I think we're lucky here that our tyrant (he's not petty) is pretty fair and balanced. Add to that a fairly fair and balanced population and bannings are few. Once you start putting rules on it you ruin the discussion the same way adults like to ruin sandlot baseball. -Curt Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 10:23:43 -0500 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home Message-ID: A56D5E87F17449C5BB0370373DA02F8F@PC466116028214 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Banned light? The word banned turns off a lot of people. You might change banned light to Mercedes Social or something similar with better results. Of course, there needs to be a little management or tough love. When a member keeps posting non-Mercedes items on the Mercedes list, he needs to be banned from that list after several warnings, but not the social list. I've never seen an internet list prosper that didn't have some management. All this bickering turns off members who are interested in Mercedes but not in guns, abortion, politics, etc., etc. If you don't have time to manage the list, you can appoint a sufficient number of moderators to keep the Mercedes list free of non-Mercedes topics. Warnings would come from the moderators so no individual moderator could be blamed. I belong to a list that has 15 moderators and it works quite well. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN everyone read
Hooah. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 9:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] ADMIN everyone read Ok, as much fun as it has been its now time to end the gun discussions. No more posts in this debate. The only gun posts should be discussing guns. Not the current political debate Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hooah
Marines, or Army vet? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Hooah. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hooah
Peace Corpse. On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Marines, or Army vet? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Hooah. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hooah
Can't be true, you're still alive? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Peace Corpse. On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Marines, or Army vet? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Hooah. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Serious WTF moment
Went to FLAPS to get bits for SWMBA korean car. She took the car to the dealer for oil change yesterday and had already done the 30k service a few months ago. Service dork comes up with a list of items that need attention. Bunch of DIY items that they hoped to snag big $$$ for. Thing that got me wound up was the battery. She has had the car for three years, it was a dealer demonstrator when purchased. 2009 MY, made in 2008, sold in 2010. Dork come out with the battery is dead and you have to pay to get a new one. I call shenanigans. Thing has 30+k miles and the battery is dead, not covered by warranty, and she has never allowed the battery to drain. I concede that five years is a bit on the early side to die, but the thing should last a bit longer in my book. Dealer got two years use out of the battery and then passed on what may have been abused at that time, but will not cover it. That is bad business to me. I think it should be worth keeping a customer to swallow the $100 battery replacement. ANYWAY, hit FLAPS to get the wipers, some washer fluid, and license plate lamps. There on the shelf is a box of 2.5 gallons of Diesel Exhaust Fluid. First thing that comes to my mind is Headlight fluid. Maybe this is a profit center item for stupid customers. WTF? Turns out it is AdBlue. Donkey pee. clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] social
...Hi Kaleb, You have a group of people who want to talk about all sorts of subjects other than Mercedes. Why don't you set up a Mercedes Social List for discussion only and let the members of the group enforce the Mercedes Repair list for Mercedes discussions only?.. Won't work. Some years back when Obama was running for the first time and banned was flooded with political dreck Kaleb started Banned Lite and directed that the political stuff move there. Did not happen because people didn't think there was a problem even though there certainly was. Now this list has turned into a pro-gun discussion. No, not a discussion, but just repeated posts of the same subject with no new ideas. And that's how the pro-Obama posts went. What I would like to know is, has even one person changed their opinions on these subjects because of the avalanche of posts? I doubt it very much. I haven't seen one new idea. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Non MB?
...When a member keeps posting non-Mercedes items on the Mercedes list, he needs to be banned from that list after several warnings, but not the social list... So no more stuff about dogde and aerostars (I'm for that) and maybe just limit it to Diesels only. Yes indeedy, a perfect world. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Serious WTF moment
Wait, you said headlight fluid? Nobody told me about that! First blinker fluid, then exhaust bearings, now I've got to to check the headlight fluid? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Went to FLAPS to get bits for SWMBA korean car. She took the car to the dealer for oil change yesterday and had already done the 30k service a few months ago. Service dork comes up with a list of items that need attention. Bunch of DIY items that they hoped to snag big $$$ for. Thing that got me wound up was the battery. She has had the car for three years, it was a dealer demonstrator when purchased. 2009 MY, made in 2008, sold in 2010. Dork come out with the battery is dead and you have to pay to get a new one. I call shenanigans. Thing has 30+k miles and the battery is dead, not covered by warranty, and she has never allowed the battery to drain. I concede that five years is a bit on the early side to die, but the thing should last a bit longer in my book. Dealer got two years use out of the battery and then passed on what may have been abused at that time, but will not cover it. That is bad business to me. I think it should be worth keeping a customer to swallow the $100 battery replacement. ANYWAY, hit FLAPS to get the wipers, some washer fluid, and license plate lamps. There on the shelf is a box of 2.5 gallons of Diesel Exhaust Fluid. First thing that comes to my mind is Headlight fluid. Maybe this is a profit center item for stupid customers. WTF? Turns out it is AdBlue. Donkey pee. clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] no MBZ content: Re: Serious WTF moment
clay, what was the warranty on the original battery? no matter how long *we* think a good one should last, many original batteries are 3-year deals, and by that figuring you got an extra 1-2 years out of it. (i've had 2 cases where original 3-year batteries failed within 1 month of their warranty date, one of them spewing its caustic contents all over the engine compartment. after spending much of a weekend scrubbing an engine compartment of a nearly new car with an acid neutralizing goop, i'd say that if your had actually just gone dead, by comparison, you got off easy.) cheers! e On 19/Jan/13 16:05, clay monroe wrote: Went to FLAPS to get bits for SWMBA korean car. She took the car to the dealer for oil change yesterday and had already done the 30k service a few months ago. Service dork comes up with a list of items that need attention. Bunch of DIY items that they hoped to snag big $$$ for. Thing that got me wound up was the battery. She has had the car for three years, it was a dealer demonstrator when purchased. 2009 MY, made in 2008, sold in 2010. Dork come out with the battery is dead and you have to pay to get a new one. I call shenanigans. Thing has 30+k miles and the battery is dead, not covered by warranty, and she has never allowed the battery to drain. I concede that five years is a bit on the early side to die, but the thing should last a bit longer in my book. Dealer got two years use out of the battery and then passed on what may have been abused at that time, but will not cover it. That is bad business to me. I think it should be worth keeping a customer to swallow the $100 battery replacement. ANYWAY, hit FLAPS to get the wipers, some washer fluid, and license plate lamps. There on the shelf is a box of 2.5 gallons of Diesel Exhaust Fluid. First thing that comes to my mind is Headlight fluid. Maybe this is a profit center item for stupid customers. WTF? Turns out it is AdBlue. Donkey pee. clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
hi Kaleb! while the cumulative wealth of knowledge amongst the users here is truly admirable, i (for one) think it would be wonderful if this list was dedicated to Mercedes stuff, instead of being the chat room that some people here clearly seem to want/need. there's plenty of places for that (and more could be made, if necessary) but as long as people can't seem to at least keep the Subject Lines relative to their messages content, it makes it really hard to wade through the chaff looking for the stuff of value. in the popular vernacular, the Signal:Noise here is poor. i also have to agree with Gerry; i would never have guessed that a list named banned lite was for social banter. maybe something like MBZ Social would better convey the tone, and those who like to play in a cat box can still play in Banned, if that's how they like to play. (i barely found this post, since the majority of what passes by on this list barely gets a quick scan before meeting the Delete Key. if Subject lines were kept relevant, it would be safe to just Delete anything marked OT,...) cheers! e On 19/Jan/13 08:22, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So you say there needs to be no off topic posts to this list? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 19, 2013, at 9:23 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Banned light? The word banned turns off a lot of people. You might change banned light to Mercedes Social or something similar with better results. Of course, there needs to be a little management or tough love. When a member keeps posting non-Mercedes items on the Mercedes list, he needs to be banned from that list after several warnings, but not the social list. I've never seen an internet list prosper that didn't have some management. All this bickering turns off members who are interested in Mercedes but not in guns, abortion, politics, etc., etc. If you don't have time to manage the list, you can appoint a sufficient number of moderators to keep the Mercedes list free of non-Mercedes topics. Warnings would come from the moderators so no individual moderator could be blamed. I belong to a list that has 15 moderators and it works quite well. Gerry We already have a list like that, it's called banned lite, nobody uses it Kaleb Hi Kaleb, You have a group of people who want to talk about all sorts of subjects other than Mercedes. Why don't you set up a Mercedes Social List for discussion only and let the members of the group enforce the Mercedes Repair list for Mercedes discussions only? The Mercedes Banned List will never serve as a discussion list because profanity, personal attacks, and anything goes do not go well with thoughtful discussion and many won't go there. Gerry From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Now we are really going off the deep end of off topic. Lets not forget these same people who think we need to take away guns because they will kill people are in favor of abortion. I guess it's ok to kill kids when they might be an inconvenient problem at the time. On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:54 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I still can't understand the irrational fear some people have of guns. I think it is just a stigma passed down to them by their environment. Possibly because in the Northeast and other areas that are anti-gun most gun owners are cops and criminals. In other parts of the country guns are just part of life and no big deal. What annoys me the most is that these anti-gun people seem to want federal bans on guns as if they know what's good for the entire country (and the rest of us are just ignorant rednecks and hillbillies) On Jan 18, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: The tactic sounds interesting, but totally not necessary for my life. Dude, we gotta get you a job, so you can have a life... Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2639/5543 - Release Date: 01/19/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To
Re: [MBZ] no MBZ content: Re: Serious WTF moment
I did not take into account that new cars are sold with garbage battery. No need to have another garbage battery go in. clay On Jan 19, 2013, at 5:22 PM, ernest breakfield wrote: clay, what was the warranty on the original battery? no matter how long *we* think a good one should last, many original batteries are 3-year deals, and by that figuring you got an extra 1-2 years out of it. (i've had 2 cases where original 3-year batteries failed within 1 month of their warranty date, one of them spewing its caustic contents all over the engine compartment. after spending much of a weekend scrubbing an engine compartment of a nearly new car with an acid neutralizing goop, i'd say that if your had actually just gone dead, by comparison, you got off easy.) cheers! e On 19/Jan/13 16:05, clay monroe wrote: Went to FLAPS to get bits for SWMBA korean car. She took the car to the dealer for oil change yesterday and had already done the 30k service a few months ago. Service dork comes up with a list of items that need attention. Bunch of DIY items that they hoped to snag big $$$ for. Thing that got me wound up was the battery. She has had the car for three years, it was a dealer demonstrator when purchased. 2009 MY, made in 2008, sold in 2010. Dork come out with the battery is dead and you have to pay to get a new one. I call shenanigans. Thing has 30+k miles and the battery is dead, not covered by warranty, and she has never allowed the battery to drain. I concede that five years is a bit on the early side to die, but the thing should last a bit longer in my book. Dealer got two years use out of the battery and then passed on what may have been abused at that time, but will not cover it. That is bad business to me. I think it should be worth keeping a customer to swallow the $100 battery replacement. ANYWAY, hit FLAPS to get the wipers, some washer fluid, and license plate lamps. There on the shelf is a box of 2.5 gallons of Diesel Exhaust Fluid. First thing that comes to my mind is Headlight fluid. Maybe this is a profit center item for stupid customers. WTF? Turns out it is AdBlue. Donkey pee. clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SNOW
I've never noticed that in the 126,000 miles on our 1997 Grand Voyager. On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Chrysler minivans seem light in the rear end to me. Easy to blow unintentional donuts around corners. Throw good tires at them, front and rear, put a little weight in the back and they are awesome in the snow. Mike -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
On Jan 19, 2013, at 7:30 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: while the cumulative wealth of knowledge amongst the users here is truly admirable, i (for one) think it would be wonderful if this list was dedicated to Mercedes stuff, instead of being the chat room that some people here clearly seem to want/need. i also have to agree with Gerry; i would never have guessed that a list named banned lite was for social banter. maybe something like MBZ Social would better convey the tone, and those who like to play in a cat box can still play in Banned, if that's how they like to play. Kaleb has an old lady, kids, house, job that flies him around the country, a yard full of Benzes, etc. His time to start and moderate another list may be limited. I say leave it as is, learn to change subject lines and trim posts, and call it good. This list would be mighty thin and mighty boring, if we just stick to MB stuff. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: RKBA
Hey Max, You obviously take great pleasure in playing with your fellow listers don't you? Hope you have a great weekend and may all of your Peeves be soft and cuddly, LarryT 91 300D On 1/16/2013 5:24 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Welcome to my humble abode, which I share with my lovely wife and our pet Peeves. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: RKBA
Ahhh, another long time lister who takes great pleasure in having fun with his fellow listers! May all of your Peeves lead you to unique, low mileage diesel MBs... LarryT 91 300D On 1/16/2013 5:06 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: You should name on of your cats Peeves --R On 1/16/13 4:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Trivializing Hitler by ascribing all sorts of relatively benign things to him is one of my pet peeves. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: RKBA
Well said! Unfortunately the liberals cannot argue merits of the 2nd Amendment unless they are emotion based. They have no facts on their side so they tend to rapidly descend to name calling and for the kids or my favorite - if it will save only 1 life we /must /do it! Thanks Scott, LarryT 91 300D On 1/15/2013 9:24 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: You know, all kinds of OT things get addressed on this list, generally uncensored. I find it absolutely astounding that folks who are called liberal (look it up) think they have the right to censor anyone that doesn't agree with them. Seriously, if the anti-gun folks have facts and data (not emotion) bring it on. If you want to help folks communicate with their elected representatives, ring it on. But I don't see any right to shut down civil discourse. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Kopchinski Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 7:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: RKBA I'm sorry, but I don't think this belongs on this list. Jaime On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: Ruger has a nice service on their site: http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/takeAction.html Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: RKBA
I'll also cease- - was catching up and read some postings out of order - sorry LarryT On 1/15/2013 3:20 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 15/01/2013 11:38 AM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jan 15, 2013, at 8:16 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah - what gives? I thought we were protected from this sort of OT stuff. We have a gentleman's agreement about no politics, and no cursing. No written rules, that I am aware of. We should probably add to that agreement, no attachments larger than 100mb. I suppose whether or not to dispose of Constitutional amendments is political and as such, should be dropped here, and taken up at Banned. When Gary was still here, we did have several good discussions on firearms, if for no other reason, they can be highly engineered mechanically intricate pieces, and we here on this list seem to have an affinity for finely crafted, well engineered things, such as Mercedes, mechanical watches,and, other things. (Imagine that). Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ For what it is worth, I am going to respond to this issue. I try to keep my big mouth shut on issues that don't really apply to me all that much - like firearms in the USA - since I live in Canada. However, issues like this tend to cause problems and I think we ought to avoid problems when we can. We do get off topic and sometimes there will be a whole lot of response to an off topic item and it will get pretty boring if one is not interested. The delete key works but unfortunately, the subject often changes somewhere along the line but the subject heading does not so one needs to poke around a bit before deleting if one does not want to get left behind. I do suggest that we should for the most part stay away from subjects that tend to make others angry. We have a nice group that participates on a regular basis and knows a lot about MB cars and many other things. It truly would be a shame to ruin that by angering people about issues we should be smart enough to leave alone. You won't change my mind about a lot of things and I am not likely to change your mind about many things. We therefore might as well talk about things that are less likely to pose problems and leave the sticky issues for another place. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no MBZ content: Re: Serious WTF moment
agreed on that! after the stock one has proved to not meet your expectations, why put another one like it in?;-) cheers! e On 19/Jan/13 17:33, clay monroe wrote: I did not take into account that new cars are sold with garbage battery. No need to have another garbage battery go in. clay On Jan 19, 2013, at 5:22 PM, ernest breakfield wrote: clay, what was the warranty on the original battery? no matter how long *we* think a good one should last, many original batteries are 3-year deals, and by that figuring you got an extra 1-2 years out of it. (i've had 2 cases where original 3-year batteries failed within 1 month of their warranty date, one of them spewing its caustic contents all over the engine compartment. after spending much of a weekend scrubbing an engine compartment of a nearly new car with an acid neutralizing goop, i'd say that if your had actually just gone dead, by comparison, you got off easy.) cheers! e On 19/Jan/13 16:05, clay monroe wrote: Went to FLAPS to get bits for SWMBA korean car. She took the car to the dealer for oil change yesterday and had already done the 30k service a few months ago. Service dork comes up with a list of items that need attention. Bunch of DIY items that they hoped to snag big $$$ for. Thing that got me wound up was the battery. She has had the car for three years, it was a dealer demonstrator when purchased. 2009 MY, made in 2008, sold in 2010. Dork come out with the battery is dead and you have to pay to get a new one. I call shenanigans. Thing has 30+k miles and the battery is dead, not covered by warranty, and she has never allowed the battery to drain. I concede that five years is a bit on the early side to die, but the thing should last a bit longer in my book. Dealer got two years use out of the battery and then passed on what may have been abused at that time, but will not cover it. That is bad business to me. I think it should be worth keeping a customer to swallow the $100 battery replacement. ANYWAY, hit FLAPS to get the wipers, some washer fluid, and license plate lamps. There on the shelf is a box of 2.5 gallons of Diesel Exhaust Fluid. First thing that comes to my mind is Headlight fluid. Maybe this is a profit center item for stupid customers. WTF? Turns out it is AdBlue. Donkey pee. clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Hooah
Actually USAF Vet (25 years) -- followed by 15 years working Joint exercises that included all military services. I just felt the Army Hooah provided the most concise yessir. Since I'm already beyond concise, Kaleb has been so good as to provide this list for MBZ (and other) information exchange. I, for one, will try to abide with his rulings. IMO, those that want yet another list (apparently for things they find distasteful) are welcome to start their own list/website. I think it's interesting that some who want to shut down discussion on a certain subject had no problem expressing their viewpoint early on. As for me, I find many of the off-topic threads useful while others get a quick delete. My only request would be to keep the subject line relevant. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 3:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hooah Marines, or Army vet? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Hooah. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: RKBA
You got me. Many have earned a special place in my heart, but I've a got a strange way of showing it. :0 -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hey Max, You obviously take great pleasure in playing with your fellow listers don't you? Hope you have a great weekend and may all of your Peeves be soft and cuddly, LarryT 91 300D On 1/16/2013 5:24 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Welcome to my humble abode, which I share with my lovely wife and our pet Peeves. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Hooah
Ok, thanks for satisfying my curiosity! Quite a few vets on the list. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Actually USAF Vet (25 years) -- followed by 15 years working Joint exercises that included all military services. I just felt the Army Hooah provided the most concise yessir. Since I'm already beyond concise, Kaleb has been so good as to provide this list for MBZ (and other) information exchange. I, for one, will try to abide with his rulings. IMO, those that want yet another list (apparently for things they find distasteful) are welcome to start their own list/website. I think it's interesting that some who want to shut down discussion on a certain subject had no problem expressing their viewpoint early on. As for me, I find many of the off-topic threads useful while others get a quick delete. My only request would be to keep the subject line relevant. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 3:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hooah Marines, or Army vet? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no MBZ content: Re: Serious WTF moment
ernest breakfield wrote: clay, what was the warranty on the original battery? The last time I bought a new car, it had a 12 month battery warranty, and by the time the car was 13 months old it needed a push start if I left the headlights on for five minutes. I wish I'd left the lights on for a few minutes a month earlier. I put in the 1 1/2 year old Champion battery from my previous daily driver, it had been sitting for 13 months since I bought the new car and scrapped the old car. That Champion lasted for over five years in the car that killed its Mopar battery in one year. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Cheap Tablet PC Screen byhysema
I bought a cheap ($80) tablet the other day and it hit the floor last night and cracked the screen. Just the glass is cracked, the display itself appears to be fine. Is this just a normal piece of glass? If it is, do you think I can just go to a glass shop and have them make me up a couple? It'd be nice to have a spare for next time. Rick Sent from my iPhone Whose glass screen is protected by a case. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SNOW
OK Don wrote: I've never noticed that in the 126,000 miles on our 1997 Grand Voyager. Only time I did unintentional donuts in a FWD car was when I had two snow tires on my Plymouth Horizon. Both times was accelerating and turning from a stop sign. The car just spun in the middle of the intersection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Cheap Tablet PC Screen byhysema
On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:04:44 -0600 Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: I bought a cheap ($80) tablet the other day and it hit the floor last night and cracked the screen. Just the glass is cracked, the display itself appears to be fine. Is this just a normal piece of glass? If it is, do you think I can just go to a glass shop and have them make me up a couple? It'd be nice to have a spare for next time. Is it a touch screen? Can you take the glass out and have it still operate correctly? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] social
...Hi Kaleb, You have a group of people who want to talk about all sorts of subjects other than Mercedes. Why don't you set up a Mercedes Social List for discussion only and let the members of the group enforce the Mercedes Repair list for Mercedes discussions only?.. Won't work. Some years back when Obama was running for the first time and banned was flooded with political dreck Kaleb started Banned Lite and directed that the political stuff move there. G: A Mercedes Social list won't work either if there are no moderators to enforce it. That's been the experience of other lists with the same problem. Did not happen because people didn't think there was a problem even though there certainly was. Now this list has turned into a pro-gun discussion. No, not a discussion, but just repeated posts of the same subject with no new ideas. And that's how the pro-Obama posts went. What I would like to know is, has even one person changed their opinions on these subjects because of the avalanche of posts? I doubt it very much. I haven't seen one new idea. G: IMHO people are primarily expressing their beliefs on discussion lists. The need for Self expression is a universal characteristic of mankind, and internet discussion groups are quite popular for that reason. Changing peoples opinions seems to be a secondary goal. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Why were they loaded?
Private sales at gun show on hold after three hurt in accidental shooting Raleigh, N.C. - Officials said the Dixie Gun and Knife Show will continue Sunday without private gun sales after three people, including a retired sheriff's deputy, were injured Saturday when a gun brought in by a patron who planned to sell it accidentally discharged. A man identified as Gary Lynn Wilson, 36, of Wilmington, brought the 12-gauge shotgun to the show at the North Carolina State Fairgrounds and was attempting to remove it from its case when the weapon went off shortly after 1 p.m., police said. Linwood Hester, 50, of Durham, was struck in the left hand by birdshot, according to Joel Keith, police chief with the state Department of Agriculture. The birdshot also struck a woman identified as Janet Hoover, 54, of Benson, and Jake Alderman, a retired sheriff's deputy from Wake Forest who was working at the event. Alderman was treated and released at WakeMed North Healthplex for a minor injury, Keith said. Hester and Hoover were taken to WakeMed, where they were treated and released later in the day. Visitors are supposed to allow security officials to check in weapons, Keith said, but Wilson removed the gun from its case before personnel had a chance to handle it. The shotgun was on a table by the entry door when it discharged. I want to emphasize that this was an accident, Keith said. At the time, no employee, no officer had inspected that gun. Show-goer Emory Lewis was standing nearby when the gun discharged. When I turned around, I heard the gun hit the table. And when I heard the gun hit the table, I heard the shot went off, he said. And the guy that was standing right it front of me...it went through his hand. Then I heard a lady hollering - it went through her side somewhere. No decision has been made about whether any charges will be filed against Wilson, authorities said. The investigation has been turned over to the Wake County Sheriff's Office. The show, which is held inside the Jim Graham Building, closed for the remainder of the day but will continue Sunday without private gun sales. Authorities said no personal guns will be allowed on the property. Only guns sold by licensed dealers and vendors will be allowed. The ban is in place for Sunday, the last day of the show, but won't necessarily be permanent, Keith said. Officials said they will review procedures to determine whether any changes need to be made. The Dixie Gun and Knife Show has taken place at the fairgrounds for more than 30 years with an excellent track record for safety, officials said. If we thought that it was a problem or a hazard or was dangerous, we would not have this show, Keith said. Let's keep in mind this was an accident, and I'm sure nobody hates this any more than the guy that owned that weapon. Although many people rushed out of the fairgrounds after the incident, Keith said both patrons and officials remained calm during the incident. People didn't panic, he said. People acted very responsibly, and I couldn't have asked the officers to have acted any better. Accidental shootings were reported at two other gun shows Saturday in Indiana and Ohio. In Indianapolis, police said a 54-year-old man was injured when he accidentally shot himself while leaving a gun show. And in Ohio, a gun dealer in Medina was checking out a semi-automatic handgun he had bought when he accidentally pulled the trigger, injuring his friend, police said. The gun's magazine had been removed from the firearm, but one round remained in the chamber, police said. http://www.wral.com/private-gun-sales-at-gun-show-on-hold-after-three-hurt-in-accidental-shooting/12000843/ It's unfortunate that these people got shot, but other than that something like this happening during the widespread debate about gun ownership is funny IMO. Gerrywho almost got birdshot in his teenage butt while stealing a watermelon from a farmers patch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Cheap Tablet PC Screen byhysema
On Jan 19, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Is it a touch screen? Yes. In the description it says Capacitive touch screen whatever that indicates. Can you take the glass out and have it still operate correctly? I have yet to disassemble it. I will know Sunday evening. I thought about it, and I may look for someone who does stained glass to cut the screens. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no MBZ content: Re: Serious WTF moment
I did not take into account that new cars are sold with garbage battery. No need to have another garbage battery go in. Is it like the starter cartridge they put in printers? Dare we call it a starter battery? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Cheap Tablet PC Screen byhysema
No, and no. If you can get a new tablet for same price, go for it. Best cheap solution is to put a layer of screen protector over the glass to keep from cutting your fingers. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: I bought a cheap ($80) tablet the other day and it hit the floor last night and cracked the screen. Just the glass is cracked, the display itself appears to be fine. Is this just a normal piece of glass? If it is, do you think I can just go to a glass shop and have them make me up a couple? It'd be nice to have a spare for next time. Rick Sent from my iPhone Whose glass screen is protected by a case. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
