Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
Very nice! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: The Mercedes Martha Stewart has returned with a vengeance! See the results of Martha's attack on the finish of the S500, which was so bad according to one detailing shop that, You're wasting your money trying to resurrect that. http://penoff.com/Penoff.com/S500_Detailing.html Booyah! Dan/Martha ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
I'd say that's worth at least half a dozen ATTABOYS! Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 11:37 PM Subject: [MBZ] Martha Returns! The Mercedes Martha Stewart has returned with a vengeance! See the results of Martha's attack on the finish of the S500, which was so bad according to one detailing shop that, You're wasting your money trying to resurrect that. http://penoff.com/Penoff.com/S500_Detailing.html Booyah! Dan/Martha ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit
Want to tackle my ACC module via mail order? Will barter for home made jalapeno pepper jelly, made with my organically grown non-partisan hot and sweet peppers and other natural resources. On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 6:19 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield ernestb@BackYardEngineering.**ORG To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit Rick (et al), i just wanted to report back on this issue with my '85 300D; with the help of the instructions below i was able to get the ACC unit out of the car, and disassemble the unit (without breaking anything!). while no cracks were visible to the naked eye, under the microscope in a clients lab there cracks in the solder joints exactly where indicated in the link. a skillful tech claimed it looked like there hadn't been enough solder used at manufacture, and was able to re-solder all the joints in a more suitable fashion. (we also tested and verified all the relays at the same time.) i managed to reassemble and reinstall the unit (without breaking anything!), and the first few days of testing seem to indicate that it's working perfectly. thanks to all who contributed on this; now that temps are ranging from low 40s to over 80, it's much appreciated to have a working Climate Control! cheers! e On 07/Mar/13 17:02, Rick Hawkins Java wrote: here's a link http://w123maintenance.**blogspot.com/2007/10/** automatic-climate-control-**unit-repair.htmlhttp://w123maintenance.blogspot.com/2007/10/automatic-climate-control-unit-repair.html thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE www.ricktheprinter.com www.letterpressmachinery.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!
Clay, I just sent to you off-list a copy of a composition I finished recently about bombing the jungle and other related ridiculous policies that prolonged the Vietnam War and led to having the names of more than 58000 brave, young Americans etched into that black granite wall of honor in DC. The attachment is 5 pages - probably a little long to post on the List, though I'd like for everybody to see it - I think it is very relevant for all of us. Wilton - Original Message - From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda! As Wilton is very aware, you can drop tons and tons of ordinance on palm trees and dense jungles all day, all week and all year long with minimal effect on the will of the opposition to keep on shooting the boys on the ground. We flew bombers over German cities and turned them into firestorms fierce enough to turn stone to dust, as well as bounce the rubble of houses and factories all night long, but the war still ground on. The air power was helpful, but the boys on the ground still had to dodge bullets and mop up that mess before it was over. Japan was made to glow in the early morning light of two August days before they were willing to consider calling it quits. Air power devastated the Islands and cities thereon. We did not get a chance to lose our boys on the ground in Japan, but a great many did perish in the Pacific war. Syria is using its air power, but most of the real fighting is on the ground. Iran and Iraq flew and bombed, but again, the boys on the ground did most of the work. George HW Bush took 100 days to liberate Kuwait, and that took boots on the ground, after the flyboys had expended their loads. Even the Soviets in Afghanistan were bedeviled by ground fire while tooling about in gunships. We are not doing any better there than the Ruskies, and over in Saddamistan, we declared victory in a few short weeks due to air support, but took another eight years on the ground before we gave up. To the guys on the street corners with guns. clay On Apr 20, 2013, at 8:06 PM, Hendrik and fay wrote: So the basis of that dribble is that if the citizens of Germany, Russia, Japan, etc had been armed that there would not have been as many deaths or the dictatorships would not have happened? I don't think so. The pro gun mob always wheel out this sort of thing because it is easy to understand by the average gun owner, however the reality is that you can't fight a modern army with the stuff you buy at walmart. Sure back in the day when the most sophisticated military hardware was rifles and cannons, you could fight an army but these days airpower is the key to victory and I did not see any fighter jets or attack helicopters in the gun shops. Perhaps Wilton has a B-52 stashed away in the back yard, just in case or a few might have build a mini drone to spy on the neighbours but I really can't see that doing much. However I am happy enough for the gun crowd to have their little delusions if it makes them feel happy and secure. No point in alarming people. Hendrik On 21/04/13 05:32, Scott Ritchey wrote: I echo Max's view. This was indeed an interesting read. The main reason the pro-gun community opposes National registration is fear of government (including our own). I'm certain that some on this list believe that fear of our own government is simply nuts, paranoia. I'm just as sure many Weimar Germans felt that way too; after all, Germany was the most civilized country on the planet. I encountered this little clip that may provide some historical perspective and food for thought: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=0sujnvIV4g4 I haven't audited the numbers but, from memory, they are at least close. Scott -Original Message- From: Of Max Dillon Thanks for sharing that link, always enjoyable to read a well-reasoned and researched explanation of any part of our constitution. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit
Why don't you do it yourself? Not that hard, and a good learning experience. --R On 4/22/13 10:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Want to tackle my ACC module via mail order? Will barter for home made jalapeno pepper jelly, made with my organically grown non-partisan hot and sweet peppers and other natural resources. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit
I can vouch for the pepper jelly - mighty (Southern for very) fine! Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit Want to tackle my ACC module via mail order? Will barter for home made jalapeno pepper jelly, made with my organically grown non-partisan hot and sweet peppers and other natural resources. On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 6:19 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield ernestb@BackYardEngineering.**ORG To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit Rick (et al), i just wanted to report back on this issue with my '85 300D; with the help of the instructions below i was able to get the ACC unit out of the car, and disassemble the unit (without breaking anything!). while no cracks were visible to the naked eye, under the microscope in a clients lab there cracks in the solder joints exactly where indicated in the link. a skillful tech claimed it looked like there hadn't been enough solder used at manufacture, and was able to re-solder all the joints in a more suitable fashion. (we also tested and verified all the relays at the same time.) i managed to reassemble and reinstall the unit (without breaking anything!), and the first few days of testing seem to indicate that it's working perfectly. thanks to all who contributed on this; now that temps are ranging from low 40s to over 80, it's much appreciated to have a working Climate Control! cheers! e On 07/Mar/13 17:02, Rick Hawkins Java wrote: here's a link http://w123maintenance.**blogspot.com/2007/10/** automatic-climate-control-**unit-repair.htmlhttp://w123maintenance.blogspot.com/2007/10/automatic-climate-control-unit-repair.html thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE www.ricktheprinter.com www.letterpressmachinery.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
That is quite amazing how well it improves. On another note, tell me why you select a black background for your web pages. --R On 4/21/13 11:37 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: The Mercedes Martha Stewart has returned with a vengeance! See the results of Martha's attack on the finish of the S500, which was so bad according to one detailing shop that, You're wasting your money trying to resurrect that. http://penoff.com/Penoff.com/S500_Detailing.html Booyah! Dan/Martha ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit
I am too good a capitalist to do ths myself, Rich. I outsource or barter to take care of any needs I cannot fulfil with assurance/competence, or (more commomnly) for lack of time. I do have a soldering iron but it is gathering dust. Now, if the spirit moves, you could drop by and give me a soldering lesson the next time you visit DC to see your son. I would reward your generosity with a jar of pepper jelly at a minimum, maybe even a b**r or tumbler of Southern Comfort. On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:28 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I can vouch for the pepper jelly - mighty (Southern for very) fine! Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit Want to tackle my ACC module via mail order? Will barter for home made jalapeno pepper jelly, made with my organically grown non-partisan hot and sweet peppers and other natural resources. On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 6:19 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield ernestb@BackYardEngineering.ORG To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit Rick (et al), i just wanted to report back on this issue with my '85 300D; with the help of the instructions below i was able to get the ACC unit out of the car, and disassemble the unit (without breaking anything!). while no cracks were visible to the naked eye, under the microscope in a clients lab there cracks in the solder joints exactly where indicated in the link. a skillful tech claimed it looked like there hadn't been enough solder used at manufacture, and was able to re-solder all the joints in a more suitable fashion. (we also tested and verified all the relays at the same time.) i managed to reassemble and reinstall the unit (without breaking anything!), and the first few days of testing seem to indicate that it's working perfectly. thanks to all who contributed on this; now that temps are ranging from low 40s to over 80, it's much appreciated to have a working Climate Control! cheers! e On 07/Mar/13 17:02, Rick Hawkins Java wrote: here's a link http://w123maintenance.**blogs**pot.com/2007/10/**http://blogspot.com/2007/10/** automatic-climate-control-unit-repair.htmlhttp://** w123maintenance.blogspot.com/**2007/10/automatic-climate-** control-unit-repair.htmlhttp://w123maintenance.blogspot.com/2007/10/automatic-climate-control-unit-repair.html thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE www.ricktheprinter.com www.letterpressmachinery.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit
a b**r or tumbler of Southern Comfort. I find that _I_ am more comfortable being pecked by the Turkey. :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit
I am trying desperately to paint Rich as a stereotypical reactionary southerner. It isn't easy. On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: a b**r or tumbler of Southern Comfort. I find that _I_ am more comfortable being pecked by the Turkey. :-) -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit
I called my people and told them to get the jet warmed up, be there soon. --R (who learned his lesson with Sudden Discomfort many years ago) On 4/22/13 10:53 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I am too good a capitalist to do ths myself, Rich. I outsource or barter to take care of any needs I cannot fulfil with assurance/competence, or (more commomnly) for lack of time. I do have a soldering iron but it is gathering dust. Now, if the spirit moves, you could drop by and give me a soldering lesson the next time you visit DC to see your son. I would reward your generosity with a jar of pepper jelly at a minimum, maybe even a b**r or tumbler of Southern Comfort. On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:28 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I can vouch for the pepper jelly - mighty (Southern for very) fine! Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit Want to tackle my ACC module via mail order? Will barter for home made jalapeno pepper jelly, made with my organically grown non-partisan hot and sweet peppers and other natural resources. On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 6:19 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield ernestb@BackYardEngineering.ORG To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit Rick (et al), i just wanted to report back on this issue with my '85 300D; with the help of the instructions below i was able to get the ACC unit out of the car, and disassemble the unit (without breaking anything!). while no cracks were visible to the naked eye, under the microscope in a clients lab there cracks in the solder joints exactly where indicated in the link. a skillful tech claimed it looked like there hadn't been enough solder used at manufacture, and was able to re-solder all the joints in a more suitable fashion. (we also tested and verified all the relays at the same time.) i managed to reassemble and reinstall the unit (without breaking anything!), and the first few days of testing seem to indicate that it's working perfectly. thanks to all who contributed on this; now that temps are ranging from low 40s to over 80, it's much appreciated to have a working Climate Control! cheers! e On 07/Mar/13 17:02, Rick Hawkins Java wrote: here's a link http://w123maintenance.**blogs**pot.com/2007/10/**http://blogspot.com/2007/10/** automatic-climate-control-unit-repair.htmlhttp://** w123maintenance.blogspot.com/**2007/10/automatic-climate-** control-unit-repair.htmlhttp://w123maintenance.blogspot.com/2007/10/automatic-climate-control-unit-repair.html thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE www.ricktheprinter.com www.letterpressmachinery.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or
Re: [MBZ] It starts in Park
Axle issues. The pip has moved from the indent. I was thinking of using a tiny nut, glued to the plate, to give the shaft a home. clay On Apr 21, 2013, at 7:54 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Quartz clocks have one of two problems: 1) bad capacitors 2) broken axle on one of the plastic gears. I have fixed both of these with great success. New capacitors is what it sounds like. The broken axle (from ham-handed setting) is trickier, but I use a fine drill bit to drill down into the shaft that used to have a little pip of an axle coming out of it, then use a bit of straight pin (clipped off) as a new axle. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
2 questions. How long did this take? When are you coming to Atlanta? -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 11:37 PM To: Mercedes List Subject: [MBZ] Martha Returns! The Mercedes Martha Stewart has returned with a vengeance! See the results of Martha's attack on the finish of the S500, which was so bad according to one detailing shop that, You're wasting your money trying to resurrect that. http://penoff.com/Penoff.com/S500_Detailing.html Booyah! Dan/Martha ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
1.) It took about 3-4 hours at a leisurely pace to do half of the hood. I'm doing the rest of it today between my Nurse Ratched duties. 2.) Whenever you want to bring me up. Got a car in mind? As for the black backgrounds on my web page, I've done it for many years. No particular reason, just like the contrast, I guess. I really need to redesign my whole web site, but I don't really have the motivation, to be honest. I'm not a social media sort of person, and I communicate directly with most people, so it doesn't really serve a purpose as far as I'm concerned. On Apr 22, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote: 2 questions. How long did this take? When are you coming to Atlanta? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
My curiosity on the black background is because it gives me a headache (or eyeache maybe) after about 30sec of looking at a page like that. I just wondered if that was just me, or if some found it beneficial or liked it or something. I don't get it, thought maybe I was missing some deeper computerish meaning. --R On 4/22/13 1:44 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: 1.) It took about 3-4 hours at a leisurely pace to do half of the hood. I'm doing the rest of it today between my Nurse Ratched duties. 2.) Whenever you want to bring me up. Got a car in mind? As for the black backgrounds on my web page, I've done it for many years. No particular reason, just like the contrast, I guess. I really need to redesign my whole web site, but I don't really have the motivation, to be honest. I'm not a social media sort of person, and I communicate directly with most people, so it doesn't really serve a purpose as far as I'm concerned. On Apr 22, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote: 2 questions. How long did this take? When are you coming to Atlanta? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
You want I should change it to white? It's a template in iWeb I used for a long time. There are others, but they were all sort of from-froo and I just wanted something simple. Dan On Apr 22, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: My curiosity on the black background is because it gives me a headache (or eyeache maybe) after about 30sec of looking at a page like that. I just wondered if that was just me, or if some found it beneficial or liked it or something. I don't get it, thought maybe I was missing some deeper computerish meaning. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
Unless you put up some more great stuff, don't change it on my account! --R On 4/22/13 2:12 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: You want I should change it to white? It's a template in iWeb I used for a long time. There are others, but they were all sort of from-froo and I just wanted something simple. Dan On Apr 22, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: My curiosity on the black background is because it gives me a headache (or eyeache maybe) after about 30sec of looking at a page like that. I just wondered if that was just me, or if some found it beneficial or liked it or something. I don't get it, thought maybe I was missing some deeper computerish meaning. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
I doubt it. After talking to three or four professional detailer, and I use the term only to describe someone who is making a living doing this, none of them really seemed interested in recovery work. I suspect there is too much time required, and it's likely that someone who has a car in this bad of shape either won't care or doesn't have the money to invest in recovering the finish. Another aspect to consider that will play out over time is how long the finish will stay this way. I have no idea if upon exposure to the elements that it may revert back to the former condition. Hopefully, it will take some time. This is not something I would want to be doing every month or two (but I would if necessary.) Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 22, 2013, at 12:51 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Wow! Are you going to take it back to the detailing shop and show them the results of your work? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
Pretty amazing looking! You have a right to be proud of this transformation! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 8:37 PM To: Mercedes List Subject: [MBZ] Martha Returns! The Mercedes Martha Stewart has returned with a vengeance! See the results of Martha's attack on the finish of the S500, which was so bad according to one detailing shop that, You're wasting your money trying to resurrect that. http://penoff.com/Penoff.com/S500_Detailing.html Booyah! Dan/Martha ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit
I did this job (ACC re-solder) in the past. The soldering is easy. The disassembly a little more challenging. One caution: be gentle with the old plastic as it gets brittle wit age and these parts are 20-40 years old. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:28 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit Why don't you do it yourself? Not that hard, and a good learning experience. --R On 4/22/13 10:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Want to tackle my ACC module via mail order? Will barter for home made jalapeno pepper jelly, made with my organically grown non-partisan hot and sweet peppers and other natural resources. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Soldering - was: repair climate control unit
Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I do have a soldering iron but it is gathering dust. Now, if the spirit moves, you could drop by and give me a soldering lesson the next time you visit DC to see your son. Having a good soldering iron sure helps. I have tried a lot of low-priced soldering irons. My favorite one in the less-than-$50 group is one from MCM Electronics that sells for about $7. http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/21-8125 A handy stand for it, with a sponge to clean the tip is just over $5. Certainly not required - just handy. http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/21-8165 Finally, good solder is necessary. My favorite is Multicore. (formerly Ersin Multicore). 16 AWG is a useful size for medium to small work like most through-hole PCBs - like Mercedes ACC and cruise control boards. http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/21-2280 That link is for a one pound [0.5 kg] spool - which will last a lifetime for a casual user. MCM doesn't seem to have a smaller quantity of that size. They do have a 1/2 lb spool of a smaller solder - about 20 AWG. It would work just fine - and at $22 is half the prices of the 1 lb spool. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] MBZ Re: It starts in Park
Clay I chuckled out loud ! Thank you for cheering up an otherwise tedious Monday Howard Bath England '97 200E 5-speed manual, 110250 miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
I know you're gonna try to preserve it as long as you can with some good wax. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns! I doubt it. After talking to three or four professional detailer, and I use the term only to describe someone who is making a living doing this, none of them really seemed interested in recovery work. I suspect there is too much time required, and it's likely that someone who has a car in this bad of shape either won't care or doesn't have the money to invest in recovering the finish. Another aspect to consider that will play out over time is how long the finish will stay this way. I have no idea if upon exposure to the elements that it may revert back to the former condition. Hopefully, it will take some time. This is not something I would want to be doing every month or two (but I would if necessary.) Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 22, 2013, at 12:51 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Wow! Are you going to take it back to the detailing shop and show them the results of your work? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
That's what the Collinite 845 is. Well known in the detailing business, Collinite 845 was originally designed to be used on high voltage insulators, which have to be kept as clean as possible to minimize collection of dirt which can allow conductive paths on the surfaces. It's amazingly good stuff, and while not cheap, a 16 ounce bottle will last several years or more if you apply it correctly. Collinite has been around for many years and is pretty much a family business, a lot like George at Leatherique. Another reason why I like to patronize them. Dan On Apr 22, 2013, at 3:31 PM, WILTON wrote: I know you're gonna try to preserve it as long as you can with some good wax. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
Maybe some of the rest of us would like to get some Collinite 845. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns! That's what the Collinite 845 is. Well known in the detailing business, Collinite 845 was originally designed to be used on high voltage insulators, which have to be kept as clean as possible to minimize collection of dirt which can allow conductive paths on the surfaces. It's amazingly good stuff, and while not cheap, a 16 ounce bottle will last several years or more if you apply it correctly. Collinite has been around for many years and is pretty much a family business, a lot like George at Leatherique. Another reason why I like to patronize them. Dan On Apr 22, 2013, at 3:31 PM, WILTON wrote: I know you're gonna try to preserve it as long as you can with some good wax. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
Google is your friend as always, but here is a link to their web site: http://www.collinite.com/automotive-wax/insulator-wax/ There is a technique to preparing it that is not discussed on their web site. It has a thick, almost gelatinous texture, which makes it tough to use right out of the bottle. Before using, you put it in a container of hot water for about 5-10 minutes to warm it up and make it homogenous. If you don't do this it's really difficult to use. I have always been a hard core 3M person, but this stuff is really good and does as good of not better than the 3M Perfect-It Show Car Wax™. Dan On Apr 22, 2013, at 4:03 PM, WILTON wrote: Maybe some of the rest of us would like to get some Collinite 845. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
Correction. They do make reference to using the warm water bath in their literature as a If you want it to be thinner. Trust me, you do. Dan On Apr 22, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Google is your friend as always, but here is a link to their web site: http://www.collinite.com/automotive-wax/insulator-wax/ There is a technique to preparing it that is not discussed on their web site. It has a thick, almost gelatinous texture, which makes it tough to use right out of the bottle. Before using, you put it in a container of hot water for about 5-10 minutes to warm it up and make it homogenous. If you don't do this it's really difficult to use. I have always been a hard core 3M person, but this stuff is really good and does as good of not better than the 3M Perfect-It Show Car Wax™. Dan On Apr 22, 2013, at 4:03 PM, WILTON wrote: Maybe some of the rest of us would like to get some Collinite 845. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
That is amazing. Can you put together a list of all the products you use, when to use them etc? On 4/21/2013 10:37 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: The Mercedes Martha Stewart has returned with a vengeance! See the results of Martha's attack on the finish of the S500, which was so bad according to one detailing shop that, You're wasting your money trying to resurrect that. http://penoff.com/Penoff.com/S500_Detailing.html Booyah! Dan/Martha ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6257 - Release Date: 04/19/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
My 1991 560SEC looks very similar to your car but not as bad, I was thinking of trying this route. So to do the while car we're looking at probably 48 hours? -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 1:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns! 1.) It took about 3-4 hours at a leisurely pace to do half of the hood. I'm doing the rest of it today between my Nurse Ratched duties. 2.) Whenever you want to bring me up. Got a car in mind? As for the black backgrounds on my web page, I've done it for many years. No particular reason, just like the contrast, I guess. I really need to redesign my whole web site, but I don't really have the motivation, to be honest. I'm not a social media sort of person, and I communicate directly with most people, so it doesn't really serve a purpose as far as I'm concerned. On Apr 22, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote: 2 questions. How long did this take? When are you coming to Atlanta? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] The Chosen Few: A New Explanation of Jewish Success
Gerry wrote: Here is a long and interesting theory of why Jews have been so successful in many fields: .. (Excerpt) Why are the Jews, a relatively small population, specialized in the most skilled and economically profitable occupations? (An) alliance of historians and economists offers a completely novel interpretation of the historical trajectory of the Jews from 70 to 1492. In turn, this may help us understand several features of the history of the Jewish people from 1500 up to today, including the successful performance of the Israeli economy despite the recent economic crisis. The journey of The Chosen Few begins in Jerusalem, following the destruction of the Second Temple in the year 70, continues in the Galilee during the first and second centuries, moves to Babylon in Mesopotamia during the fourth and fifth centuries, and then to Baghdad in the second half of the first millennium when the Muslim Abbasid empire reaches its economic and intellectual apex. At the turn of the millennium, the historical voyage reaches Cairo, Constantinople, and Cordoba, and soon after the whole of western and southern Europe, then turns back to Baghdad in the 1250s during the Mongol conquest of the Middle East before ending in Seville in 1492. During these 15 centuries, a profound transformation of Judaism coupled with three historic encounters of the Jews -- with Rome, with Islam, and with the Mongol Conquest -- shaped the economic and demographic history of the Jewish people in a unique and long-lasting way up to today. Let's first start describing the profound transformation of Judaism at the beginning of the first millennium, which has been amply documented by scholarly works. In the centuries before 70, the core of Judaism was centered around two pillars: the Temple in Jerusalem, in which sacrifices were performed by a small elite of high priests, and the reading and the study of the Written Torah, which was also restricted to a small elite of rabbis and scholars. (It was the power of this elite that the Jew Yeshua ben Josef, later know as Jesus Christ, so often decried.) The destruction of the Temple in 70 at the end of the first Jewish-Roman war was the first of the three external events which permanently shaped the history of the Jewish people. Momentously, it canceled one of the two pillars of Judaism, shifting the religious leadership within the Jewish community from the high priests in Jerusalem to a much more widely dispersed community of rabbis and scholars. In so doing, it transformed Judaism into a religion whose main norm required every Jewish man to read and to study the Torah in Hebrew himself and, even more radically, to send his sons from the age of six or seven to primary school or synagogue to learn to do the same. In the world of universal illiteracy, as it was the world at the beginning of the first millennium, this was an absolutely revolutionary transformation. At that time, no other religion had a similar norm as a membership requirement for its followers, and no state or empire had anything like laws imposing compulsory education or universal literacy for its citizens. The unexpected consequences of this change in the religious norm within Judaism would unfold in the subsequent centuries..snip http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdesk/2013/04/the-chosen-few-a-new-explanati.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] The Good Life in Denmark
Denmark goes to work on lavish welfare perks COPENHAGEN, Denmark - It began as a stunt intended to prove that hardship and poverty still existed in small and wealthy Denmark, but it backfired. Visit a single mother of two on welfare, a liberal member of Parliament goaded a skeptical political opponent, see for yourself how hard it is. It turned out that life on welfare was not so hard. The 36-year-old single mother, given the pseudonym Carina in the news media, had more money to spend than many of the country's full-time workers. All told, she was getting about $2,700 a month, and she had been on welfare since she was 16. In past years, Danes might have shrugged off the case. But even before her story was in the headlines 16 months ago, Danes were engaged in a debate about whether their beloved welfare state, perhaps Europe's most generous, had become too benevolent, undermining the country's work ethic. Carina helped tip the scales. With little political protest - or notice abroad - Denmark has been at work overhauling entitlements, trying to prod Danes into working more or longer or both. While much of southern Europe has been racked by strikes and protests as creditors force austerity measures, Denmark still has an AAA bond rating. Denmark's long-term outlook is troubling, though. The population is aging, and in many regions, people without jobs outnumber those with them. Some of that is a result of a depressed economy, but many experts say a more basic problem is the proportion of Danes who are not participating in the workforce, be they dawdling university students, young pensioners or welfare recipients such as Carina who choose hefty government support. Before the crisis there was a sense that there was always going to be more and more, said Bjarke Moller, editor-in-chief of publications for Mandag Morgen, a research group in Copenhagen. That is not true anymore. Highest tax rates The Danish model of government is close to a religion in Denmark, and it has produced a population that regularly claims to be among the happiest in the world. Even the country's conservative politicians are not suggesting getting rid of it. Denmark has among the highest marginal income-tax rates, with the top bracket of 56.5 percent kicking in on incomes of more than about $80,000. In exchange, Danes get a cradle-to-grave safety net that includes free health care, a free university education and hefty payouts to even the richest citizens. Parents in all income brackets, for instance, get quarterly checks from the government to help defray child-care costs. The elderly get free maid service if they need it, even if they are wealthy. Few experts believe Denmark can long afford the current perks, however. So the nation is retooling, tinkering with corporate tax rates, considering new public-sector investments and, for the long term, trying to wean more people - the young and the old - off government benefits. In the past, people never asked for help unless they needed it, said Karen Haekkerup, the minister of social affairs and integration, who has been outspoken on the subject. My grandmother was offered a pension and she was offended. She did not need it. Now people ... think of these benefits as their rights. The rights have just expanded and expanded, and it has brought us a good quality of life, but now we need to go back to the rights and the duties. We all have to contribute. More older people In 2012, slightly more than 2.6 million people between 15 and 64 were working in Denmark, 47 percent of the total population and 73 percent of the 15- to 64-year-olds. While only about 65 percent of working-age adults are employed in the United States, comparisons are misleading, since many Danes work short hours and all enjoy perks such as long vacations and lengthy paid maternity leaves, not to speak of a de facto minimum wage approaching $20 an hour. Danes would rank much lower in terms of hours worked per year. In addition, the workforce has far more older people to support. About 18 percent of Denmark's population is older than 65, compared with 13 percent in the United States. One study, by the municipal-policy research group Kora, recently found that only three of Denmark's 98 municipalities will have a majority of residents working in 2013. This is a significant reduction from 2009, when 59 municipalities could boast that a majority of residents had jobs. (Everyone, including children, was counted in the comparison.) Joachim Olsen, the skeptical politician from the Liberal Alliance party who visited Carina 16 months ago in her pleasant Copenhagen apartment, is particularly alarmed. He says Sweden, which is considered generous, has far fewer citizens living on government benefits. If Denmark followed Sweden's example, it would have about 250,000 fewer people living on benefits of various sorts. The welfare state here has spiraled out of control, Olsen said. It has done a lot of good, but we have been unwilling to talk
[MBZ] Koch brothers eye bid for Tribune papers
More newspapers may go conservative. Three years ago, Charles and David Koch, the billionaire industrialists and supporters of libertarian causes, held a seminar of like-minded, wealthy political donors at the St. Regis Resort in Aspen, Colo. They laid out a three-pronged, 10-year strategy to shift the country toward a smaller government with less regulation and taxes. The first two pieces of the strategy - educating grass-roots activists and influencing politics - were not surprising, given the money they have given to policy institutes and political-action groups. But the third one was: media. Other than financing a few fringe libertarian publications, the Kochs have mostly avoided media investments. Now, Koch Industries, the sprawling private company of which Charles Koch serves as chairman and chief executive, is exploring a bid to buy the Tribune Co.'s eight regional newspapers, including the Los Angeles Times, the Chicago Tribune, The Baltimore Sun, The Orlando Sentinel and The Hartford Courant. By early next month, Tribune Co. is expected to send financial data to serious suitors in what will be among the largest sales of newspapers by circulation in the country. Koch Industries is among those interested, said several people with direct knowledge of the sale who spoke on condition of anonymity. Tribune emerged from bankruptcy Dec. 31 and has hired JPMorgan Chase and Evercore Partners to sell its print properties. The papers, valued at roughly $623 million, would be a financially diminutive deal for Koch Industries, the energy and manufacturing conglomerate based in Wichita, Kan., with annual revenues of about $115 billion. Politically, however, the papers could serve as a broader platform for the Kochs' laissez-faire ideas. The Los Angeles Times is the fourth-largest paper in the country, and the Tribune is No. 9, and others are in several battleground states, including two of the largest newspapers in Florida, The Orlando Sentinel and the Sun Sentinel in Fort Lauderdale. A deal could include Hoy, the second-largest U.S. Spanish-language daily newspaper, which speaks to the pivotal Hispanic demographic. One person who attended the Aspen seminar who spoke on condition of anonymity described the strategy as follows: It was never 'How do we destroy the other side?'? It was 'How do we make sure our voice is being heard?'? Guests at the Aspen seminar included Philip Anschutz, the Republican oil mogul who owns the companies that publish The Washington Examiner, The Oklahoman and The Weekly Standard, and hedge-fund executive Paul Singer, who sits on the board of the political magazine Commentary. Attendees were asked not to discuss details about the seminar with the media. At this early stage, the thinking inside the Tribune Co., the people close to the deal said, is that Koch Industries could prove the most appealing buyer. Others interested, including a group of wealthy Los Angeles residents led by billionaire Eli Broad and Ronald Burkle, both prominent Democratic donors, and Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., would prefer to buy only the Los Angeles Times. The Tribune Co. has signaled it prefers to sell all eight papers and their back-office operations as a bundle. (The $7 billion media company, which owns 23 television stations, could also decide to keep the papers if they do not attract a high enough offer.) Koch Industries serves as one of the largest sponsors of libertarian causes, including the financing of policy institutes such as the Cato Institute in Washington, D.C., and the formation of Americans for Prosperity, the political-action group that helped galvanize tea-party organizations and their causes. The company has said it has no direct link to the tea-party movement. Koch Industries recently brought on Angela Redding, a consultant based in Salt Lake City, to analyze the media environment and assess opportunities. Redding, who previously worked at the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, did not respond to requests for comment. At least in politically liberal Los Angeles, a conservative paper could be tricky. David Koch, who lives in New York and serves as executive vice president of Koch Industries, has said he supports gay marriage and could align with many residents on some social issues, Reed Galen, a Republican consultant in Orange County, Calif., said. Koch Industries' main competitor for the Los Angeles Times is a group of mostly Democratic local residents. In the 2012 political cycle, Broad gave $477,800, either directly or through his foundation, to Democratic candidates and causes, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Burkle has long championed labor unions. President Clinton served as an adviser to Burkle's money-management firm, Yucaipa, which in 2012 gave $107,500 to Democrats and related causes. The group also includes Austin Beutner, a Democratic candidate for mayor of Los Angeles, and an investment
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 15:46:55 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: That's what the Collinite 845 is. Well known in the detailing business, Collinite 845 was originally designed to be used on high voltage insulators, which have to be kept as clean as possible to minimize collection of dirt which can allow conductive paths on the surfaces. It's amazingly good stuff, and while not cheap, a 16 ounce bottle will last several years or more if you apply it correctly. Collinite has been around for many years and is pretty much a family business, a lot like George at Leatherique. Another reason why I like to patronize them. What about 3M Imperial Hand Glaze? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership
How many people in those purple areas have humpteen guns each to make up for those of us who have none? Wilton - Original Message - From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 4:36 PM Subject: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership
WILTON wrote: How many people in those purple areas have humpteen guns each to make up for those of us who have none? If I'd have to think about it for a couple of minutes to tell you the exact number of firearms, and would need to do a physical inventory if you wanted to know how many airguns and bows I have, am I one of those people? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership
'Didn't know we were talking 'bout airguns - BB guns, one of which I have - and bows. 'Thought we were talking 'bout FIRE arms. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership WILTON wrote: How many people in those purple areas have humpteen guns each to make up for those of us who have none? If I'd have to think about it for a couple of minutes to tell you the exact number of firearms, and would need to do a physical inventory if you wanted to know how many airguns and bows I have, am I one of those people? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership
WILTON wrote: 'Didn't know we were talking 'bout airguns - BB guns, one of which I have - and bows. 'Thought we were talking 'bout FIRE arms. Those I know how many I have. Thought about it when I was typing the last message, and it is a single digit number. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
No, I would say maybe 12-15 hours for someone who knows what they are doing. If your 560 isn't as bad as my S500, less than that Send it down to me for a week or two and I'll sort it out. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 22, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Rusty Cullens rustycull...@gmail.com wrote: My 1991 560SEC looks very similar to your car but not as bad, I was thinking of trying this route. So to do the while car we're looking at probably 48 hours? -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 1:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns! 1.) It took about 3-4 hours at a leisurely pace to do half of the hood. I'm doing the rest of it today between my Nurse Ratched duties. 2.) Whenever you want to bring me up. Got a car in mind? As for the black backgrounds on my web page, I've done it for many years. No particular reason, just like the contrast, I guess. I really need to redesign my whole web site, but I don't really have the motivation, to be honest. I'm not a social media sort of person, and I communicate directly with most people, so it doesn't really serve a purpose as far as I'm concerned. On Apr 22, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote: 2 questions. How long did this take? When are you coming to Atlanta? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
Sweet! I'll see what I can do. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sender: Mercedes mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:08:03 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns! No, I would say maybe 12-15 hours for someone who knows what they are doing. If your 560 isn't as bad as my S500, less than that Send it down to me for a week or two and I'll sort it out. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 22, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Rusty Cullens rustycull...@gmail.com wrote: My 1991 560SEC looks very similar to your car but not as bad, I was thinking of trying this route. So to do the while car we're looking at probably 48 hours? -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 1:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns! 1.) It took about 3-4 hours at a leisurely pace to do half of the hood. I'm doing the rest of it today between my Nurse Ratched duties. 2.) Whenever you want to bring me up. Got a car in mind? As for the black backgrounds on my web page, I've done it for many years. No particular reason, just like the contrast, I guess. I really need to redesign my whole web site, but I don't really have the motivation, to be honest. I'm not a social media sort of person, and I communicate directly with most people, so it doesn't really serve a purpose as far as I'm concerned. On Apr 22, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote: 2 questions. How long did this take? When are you coming to Atlanta? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!
A very good piece that I think the group might be able to appreciate. clay On Apr 22, 2013, at 7:25 AM, WILTON wrote: Clay, I just sent to you off-list a copy of a composition I finished recently about bombing the jungle and other related ridiculous policies that prolonged the Vietnam War and led to having the names of more than 58000 brave, young Americans etched into that black granite wall of honor in DC. The attachment is 5 pages - probably a little long to post on the List, though I'd like for everybody to see it - I think it is very relevant for all of us. Wilton - Original Message - From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda! As Wilton is very aware, you can drop tons and tons of ordinance on palm trees and dense jungles all day, all week and all year long with minimal effect on the will of the opposition to keep on shooting the boys on the ground. We flew bombers over German cities and turned them into firestorms fierce enough to turn stone to dust, as well as bounce the rubble of houses and factories all night long, but the war still ground on. The air power was helpful, but the boys on the ground still had to dodge bullets and mop up that mess before it was over. Japan was made to glow in the early morning light of two August days before they were willing to consider calling it quits. Air power devastated the Islands and cities thereon. We did not get a chance to lose our boys on the ground in Japan, but a great many did perish in the Pacific war. Syria is using its air power, but most of the real fighting is on the ground. Iran and Iraq flew and bombed, but again, the boys on the ground did most of the work. George HW Bush took 100 days to liberate Kuwait, and that took boots on the ground, after the flyboys had expended their loads. Even the Soviets in Afghanistan were bedeviled by ground fire while tooling about in gunships. We are not doing any better there than the Ruskies, and over in Saddamistan, we declared victory in a few short weeks due to air support, but took another eight years on the ground before we gave up. To the guys on the street corners with guns. clay On Apr 20, 2013, at 8:06 PM, Hendrik and fay wrote: So the basis of that dribble is that if the citizens of Germany, Russia, Japan, etc had been armed that there would not have been as many deaths or the dictatorships would not have happened? I don't think so. The pro gun mob always wheel out this sort of thing because it is easy to understand by the average gun owner, however the reality is that you can't fight a modern army with the stuff you buy at walmart. Sure back in the day when the most sophisticated military hardware was rifles and cannons, you could fight an army but these days airpower is the key to victory and I did not see any fighter jets or attack helicopters in the gun shops. Perhaps Wilton has a B-52 stashed away in the back yard, just in case or a few might have build a mini drone to spy on the neighbours but I really can't see that doing much. However I am happy enough for the gun crowd to have their little delusions if it makes them feel happy and secure. No point in alarming people. Hendrik On 21/04/13 05:32, Scott Ritchey wrote: I echo Max's view. This was indeed an interesting read. The main reason the pro-gun community opposes National registration is fear of government (including our own). I'm certain that some on this list believe that fear of our own government is simply nuts, paranoia. I'm just as sure many Weimar Germans felt that way too; after all, Germany was the most civilized country on the planet. I encountered this little clip that may provide some historical perspective and food for thought: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=0sujnvIV4g4 I haven't audited the numbers but, from memory, they are at least close. Scott -Original Message- From: Of Max Dillon Thanks for sharing that link, always enjoyable to read a well-reasoned and researched explanation of any part of our constitution. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To
Re: [MBZ] MBZ Re: It starts in Park
You are most welcome. And now I think we all have found a source for bits and bobs that are not available on our side of the waters. Anybody else wondering if Howard could be cajoled into take a few moments from his tedious, (less so now) Mondays in future to gather parts from a knacker in his neck of the woods for our old cars? clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Apr 22, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Howard Fulford wrote: Clay I chuckled out loud ! Thank you for cheering up an otherwise tedious Monday Howard Bath England '97 200E 5-speed manual, 110250 miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!
Possibly, but how can I post the entire 5 pages without having all of it in the main body of the post? I can easily post it, but it's a bit long, isn't it? Wilton - Original Message - From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda! A very good piece that I think the group might be able to appreciate. clay On Apr 22, 2013, at 7:25 AM, WILTON wrote: Clay, I just sent to you off-list a copy of a composition I finished recently about bombing the jungle and other related ridiculous policies that prolonged the Vietnam War and led to having the names of more than 58000 brave, young Americans etched into that black granite wall of honor in DC. The attachment is 5 pages - probably a little long to post on the List, though I'd like for everybody to see it - I think it is very relevant for all of us. Wilton - Original Message - From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda! As Wilton is very aware, you can drop tons and tons of ordinance on palm trees and dense jungles all day, all week and all year long with minimal effect on the will of the opposition to keep on shooting the boys on the ground. We flew bombers over German cities and turned them into firestorms fierce enough to turn stone to dust, as well as bounce the rubble of houses and factories all night long, but the war still ground on. The air power was helpful, but the boys on the ground still had to dodge bullets and mop up that mess before it was over. Japan was made to glow in the early morning light of two August days before they were willing to consider calling it quits. Air power devastated the Islands and cities thereon. We did not get a chance to lose our boys on the ground in Japan, but a great many did perish in the Pacific war. Syria is using its air power, but most of the real fighting is on the ground. Iran and Iraq flew and bombed, but again, the boys on the ground did most of the work. George HW Bush took 100 days to liberate Kuwait, and that took boots on the ground, after the flyboys had expended their loads. Even the Soviets in Afghanistan were bedeviled by ground fire while tooling about in gunships. We are not doing any better there than the Ruskies, and over in Saddamistan, we declared victory in a few short weeks due to air support, but took another eight years on the ground before we gave up. To the guys on the street corners with guns. clay On Apr 20, 2013, at 8:06 PM, Hendrik and fay wrote: So the basis of that dribble is that if the citizens of Germany, Russia, Japan, etc had been armed that there would not have been as many deaths or the dictatorships would not have happened? I don't think so. The pro gun mob always wheel out this sort of thing because it is easy to understand by the average gun owner, however the reality is that you can't fight a modern army with the stuff you buy at walmart. Sure back in the day when the most sophisticated military hardware was rifles and cannons, you could fight an army but these days airpower is the key to victory and I did not see any fighter jets or attack helicopters in the gun shops. Perhaps Wilton has a B-52 stashed away in the back yard, just in case or a few might have build a mini drone to spy on the neighbours but I really can't see that doing much. However I am happy enough for the gun crowd to have their little delusions if it makes them feel happy and secure. No point in alarming people. Hendrik On 21/04/13 05:32, Scott Ritchey wrote: I echo Max's view. This was indeed an interesting read. The main reason the pro-gun community opposes National registration is fear of government (including our own). I'm certain that some on this list believe that fear of our own government is simply nuts, paranoia. I'm just as sure many Weimar Germans felt that way too; after all, Germany was the most civilized country on the planet. I encountered this little clip that may provide some historical perspective and food for thought: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=0sujnvIV4g4 I haven't audited the numbers but, from memory, they are at least close. Scott -Original Message- From: Of Max Dillon Thanks for sharing that link, always enjoyable to read a well-reasoned and researched explanation of any part of our constitution. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!
WILTON wrote: Possibly, but how can I post the entire 5 pages without having all of it in the main body of the post? I can easily post it, but it's a bit long, isn't it? I suppose you could attach it as a .txt file, if the list software would host it as a link like it does with pictures. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:33:36 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: WILTON wrote: Possibly, but how can I post the entire 5 pages without having all of it in the main body of the post? I can easily post it, but it's a bit long, isn't it? I suppose you could attach it as a .txt file, if the list software would host it as a link like it does with pictures. It might include the .txt file with the posting. You could email it to me and I'll turn it into a PDF, for which the list software would have to make a link. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Before and After
Here are before and after pictures of the S500 hood from the finish recovery project: Before: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7lkmreuonj2tfd8/S500%20Hood%20Before.jpg After: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2hrh8552j5c4qzs/S500%20Hood%20After.jpg Do note that the after picture was done at night with some pretty harsh light. There is dust in the air along with some bugs (this is Florida, after all.) Some of the dots are paint imperfections, like rock chips. I haven't gotten around to getting some touch up paint. In time Now to go after the roof and the trunk lid. The hood will be covered and taped off so it won't get any spatter or dust on it. Final results will probably be this weekend. Dan/Martha ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!
I can probably make it a PDF. Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda! On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:33:36 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: WILTON wrote: Possibly, but how can I post the entire 5 pages without having all of it in the main body of the post? I can easily post it, but it's a bit long, isn't it? I suppose you could attach it as a .txt file, if the list software would host it as a link like it does with pictures. It might include the .txt file with the posting. You could email it to me and I'll turn it into a PDF, for which the list software would have to make a link. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBZ Re: It starts in Park
I'm wondering about a five-speed transmission, drive shaft, and differential for my '95 E300... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: You are most welcome. And now I think we all have found a source for bits and bobs that are not available on our side of the waters. Anybody else wondering if Howard could be cajoled into take a few moments from his tedious, (less so now) Mondays in future to gather parts from a knacker in his neck of the woods for our old cars? clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Apr 22, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Howard Fulford wrote: Clay I chuckled out loud ! Thank you for cheering up an otherwise tedious Monday Howard Bath England '97 200E 5-speed manual, 110250 miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit
Want to tackle my ACC module via mail order? Will barter for home made jalapeno pepper jelly, made with my organically grown non-partisan hot and sweet peppers and other natural resources. That is funny! I applaud your production and use of non-partisan peppers! ( this is intended as a true, honest compliment and acknowledgement of your sense of humor, which I do appreciate) While your pepper jelly maybe non-partisan, it is made to conserve resources (peppers) that would otherwise have gone to waste. I believe you might agree with this statement. Many times fruit preserved in such a method is called conserve or conserves meaning to conserve the fruit resource. Conserve, and conservation, (as in soil and water conservation) refer to careful use of resources, or preserving resources so they are available for future use. It is interesting that political liberals hold up conservationists, such as Aldo Leopold as an environmentalist when in fact, he was a conservationist. I would argue that you have a conservative product and that in fact that you like most people, are actually a conservative, as shown by the care you use to conserve peppers for future use. Most of us, given the chance to throw money out the window while driving in DC, or or be conservative, and conserve that resource for future use, would choose the conservative route. Liberals only want to confiscate other peoples' resources at gunpoint and use or waste those resources as they see fit. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
That is amazing. Can you put together a list of all the products you use, when to use them etc? he could, but maybe then he'd have to snuff you out. Gotta protect the knowledge ya know... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBZ Re: It starts in Park
I'm wondering about a five-speed transmission, drive shaft, and differential for my '95 E300... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: You are most welcome. And now I think we all have found a source for bits and bobs that are not available on our side of the waters. Anybody else wondering if Howard could be cajoled into take a few moments from his tedious, (less so now) Mondays in future to gather parts from a knacker in his neck of the woods for our old cars? clay 124 euro trailer hitches would be in demand, as well as the same for 123 and 126 and 210 cars...(and wagons) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
That's amazing work... But I'd have driven it around with half the hood polished for a few days, just to see people react. Best, Tim On Apr 21, 2013 11:37 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: The Mercedes Martha Stewart has returned with a vengeance! See the results of Martha's attack on the finish of the S500, which was so bad according to one detailing shop that, You're wasting your money trying to resurrect that. http://penoff.com/Penoff.com/S500_Detailing.html Booyah! Dan/Martha ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
That's amazing work... But I'd have driven it around with half the hood polished for a few days, just to see people react. Best, Tim Yabbut, Dan is confined to the barracks for a while. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!
I sent 'em as photos; awaiting list mom's approval. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda! WILTON wrote: Possibly, but how can I post the entire 5 pages without having all of it in the main body of the post? I can easily post it, but it's a bit long, isn't it? I suppose you could attach it as a .txt file, if the list software would host it as a link like it does with pictures. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit
I was ok with this until the last gratuitous paragraph. On Apr 22, 2013 10:05 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Want to tackle my ACC module via mail order? Will barter for home made jalapeno pepper jelly, made with my organically grown non-partisan hot and sweet peppers and other natural resources. That is funny! I applaud your production and use of non-partisan peppers! ( this is intended as a true, honest compliment and acknowledgement of your sense of humor, which I do appreciate) While your pepper jelly maybe non-partisan, it is made to conserve resources (peppers) that would otherwise have gone to waste. I believe you might agree with this statement. Many times fruit preserved in such a method is called conserve or conserves meaning to conserve the fruit resource. Conserve, and conservation, (as in soil and water conservation) refer to careful use of resources, or preserving resources so they are available for future use. It is interesting that political liberals hold up conservationists, such as Aldo Leopold as an environmentalist when in fact, he was a conservationist. I would argue that you have a conservative product and that in fact that you like most people, are actually a conservative, as shown by the care you use to conserve peppers for future use. Most of us, given the chance to throw money out the window while driving in DC, or or be conservative, and conserve that resource for future use, would choose the conservative route. Liberals only want to confiscate other peoples' resources at gunpoint and use or waste those resources as they see fit. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership
WILTON wrote: How many people in those purple areas have humpteen guns each to make up for those of us who have none? Emmm.. faulty thinking... sorry to break the news to you.. but I don't own a gun to protect you.. I own a gun, if I own one, to Protect Me and those of my Family. You and those like you who are unable to protect yourself die first.. that is how nature works. You have a front door on your house which has the duty to protect you and your family. You have the option to leave that door open and unlocked, or closed and locked.. you are free to choose. As soon as that door no longer protects you, you have other options to choose from, presuming you have not given up those options by pre-choice. On the other hand, the door on my house serves yet a different purpose. It is there to protect the individuals who would make the unwise choice to breach that barrier without permission. At that moment, they have options which they may choose from, presuming they have not given up those options by pre-choice. This is not a zero sum game. If I have two guns, one is not to make up for you not having made the choice to exercise the Right to Self Defense. In the emotion ridden present day climate, there are many who want to make this a fight about guns. It is not. The real core issue is who takes responsibility for your personal self defense. The founding fathers of the country understood this and made that responsibility reside with the citizen by ensuring the Right to keep and bare arms Shall not be infringed[in pertinent part here]. They did not say call 911 and wait or vomit on your attacker or try peeing on them to scare them away, the language chosen was very specific and legally powerful language [look up shall in Blacks law dictionary, Not,and Infringe also]. Your expectation is that I will fully support your choice to not defend yourself by being armed, which I do. My expectation is that you will fully support my choice to defend myself and provide my own means to do so, which I am not getting the feeling of full support. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away has a lot more meaning to me since the courts have repeatedly ruled that the police have NO duty to protect citizens. Just a few thoughts to stimulate your thinking process perhaps. Respectfully, Grant... On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: WILTON wrote: How many people in those purple areas have humpteen guns each to make up for those of us who have none? If I'd have to think about it for a couple of minutes to tell you the exact number of firearms, and would need to do a physical inventory if you wanted to know how many airguns and bows I have, am I one of those people? Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!
WILTON wrote: Possibly, but how can I post the entire 5 pages without having all of it in the main body of the post? I can easily post it, but it's a bit long, isn't it? Mitch Haley wrote: I suppose you could attach it as a .txt file, if the list software would host it as a link like it does with pictures. Craig wrote: You could email it to me and I'll turn it into a PDF, for which the list software would have to make a link. It's unformated text with no images. I recommend just pasting it into the body of an email. It won't be as long as some of the reply of a reply of a reply of a reply of a reply of a reply posts. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Empty engine bay.
Time for some spring cleaning ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit
I'll accept that. However, I have never seen proof that the final paragraph is wrong. I have seen lots of evidence that supports it. I was ok with this until the last gratuitous paragraph. On Apr 22, 2013 10:05 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Want to tackle my ACC module via mail order? Will barter for home made jalapeno pepper jelly, made with my organically grown non-partisan hot and sweet peppers and other natural resources. That is funny! I applaud your production and use of non-partisan peppers! ( this is intended as a true, honest compliment and acknowledgement of your sense of humor, which I do appreciate) While your pepper jelly maybe non-partisan, it is made to conserve resources (peppers) that would otherwise have gone to waste. I believe you might agree with this statement. Many times fruit preserved in such a method is called conserve or conserves meaning to conserve the fruit resource. Conserve, and conservation, (as in soil and water conservation) refer to careful use of resources, or preserving resources so they are available for future use. It is interesting that political liberals hold up conservationists, such as Aldo Leopold as an environmentalist when in fact, he was a conservationist. I would argue that you have a conservative product and that in fact that you like most people, are actually a conservative, as shown by the care you use to conserve peppers for future use. Most of us, given the chance to throw money out the window while driving in DC, or or be conservative, and conserve that resource for future use, would choose the conservative route. Liberals only want to confiscate other peoples' resources at gunpoint and use or waste those resources as they see fit. __**_ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Empty engine bay.
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:31:31 -0400 Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: Time for some spring cleaning Was there supposed to be a picture attached? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership
Mr. Mann Sez: Emmm.. faulty thinking... sorry to break the news to you.. but I don't own a gun to protect you.. I own a gun, if I own one, to Protect Me and those of my Family. You and those like you who are unable to protect yourself die first.. that is how nature works. You have a front door on your house which has the duty to protect you and your family. You have the option to leave that door open and unlocked, or closed and locked.. you are free to choose. As soon as that door no longer protects you, you have other options to choose from, presuming you have not given up those options by pre-choice. On the other hand, the door on my house serves yet a different purpose. It is there to protect the individuals who would make the unwise choice to breach that barrier without permission. At that moment, they have options which they may choose from, presuming they have not given up those options by pre-choice. One of my favorite signs: that door you just kicked in was there to protect you, not me! and has a picture of a 45 (1 9 1 1) My daughter lives in a neighborhood that used to have a sign that said This neighborhood is protected by Colt with a similar picture to the sigh above.There are quite a few retired military officers that live there., including one WWII Bomber pilot who married an Army nurse, and they were career Air Corps/Air Force officers. Very neat people. Another is a retired Air Force pilot. One former resident was reportedly the military governor of the Philippines after WWII, and built a sailboat in the neighborhood after retirement. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!
Awesome job! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 21, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: The Mercedes Martha Stewart has returned with a vengeance! See the results of Martha's attack on the finish of the S500, which was so bad according to one detailing shop that, You're wasting your money trying to resurrect that. http://penoff.com/Penoff.com/S500_Detailing.html Booyah! Dan/Martha ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership
I think two points are worth making: One: A firearm may be an important element in home protection but it's seldom the most important part. Planning is the most important part. But firearms become more important in rural areas, areas without nearby neighbors, and in cases where physical limitations limit fleeing. Even so, planning is most critical: safe room location and configuration (doors, windows, cover, concealment, and clear lines of fire), drills/rehearsal, training family members, etc. Two: The political issue is usually stated as left-right, liberal-conservative, etc. This is misleading. The real issue is individualism vs. collectivism. Individualism is based on rights and responsibilities; there are lots of objective criteria here. Collectivism, unfortunately, can justify anything if it's for the common good. Scott - G Mann wrote: Emmm.. faulty thinking... sorry to break the news to you.. but I don't own a gun to protect you.. I own a gun, if I own one, to Protect Me and those of my Family... WILTON wrote: How many people in those purple areas have humpteen guns each to make up for those of us who have none? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
