Re: [MBZ] Wars and Syria [was: Re: buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling]
I got some MB parts from Dr. Fatty and they arrived when he suspected they would. I tried to effectuate a repair using said parts. The car was uncooperative. I need Dr. Fatty to send me the more parts I requested so that I may attempt the repair with greater gusto. clay On Sep 9, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 09/09/2013 3:43 PM, Mountain Man wrote: drfatty wrote: if you already identify yourself as a retard, why do you need me to call you such? is it that you are unsure and just want confirmation? I think that if I answer that for you, I might even escape the retard status - cool!! mao ___ We are heading off onto a slipperly slope here. We need to talk about MB parts and repairs and not about wars. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol-free gasoline
Well that is handy. I will fuel up Frosch there. No need to screw her up with corn spirits. It is nice that the pump is about a mile away. clay On Sep 9, 2013, at 3:59 PM, Craig wrote: For those of you who want ethanol-free gasoline for your MB or small power equipment: http://blog.jackssmallengines.com/2013/09/going-the-extra-mile-for-ethanol-free-gas/ Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My Next Mercedes Diesel
I have no idea, but I'm sure you could just call a dealer and find out. On Monday, September 9, 2013, Mitch Haley wrote: Jaime Kopchinski wrote: You can still get genuine body parts from MB for the W124... Do they have 90-93 300D right fenders? Last I knew, they didn't have 190D turbo right fenders. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
I don't understand why MB didn't put volt meters in their cars... I'll presume the light isn't on and say you need an alternator. If the light was on maybe a regulator would get it. I've NEVER gotten away with just a regulator (4 out of 5 of my MBs have needed alternators) and if I haven't replaced the battery I usually need multiple alternators until I get smart enough to replace the battery. -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:11:51 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D Message-ID: CAKOy=fuho3qrqcdus8jkmlqfoghnwurjxwr1y9fyrka2in0...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in the dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit... alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea and eating pancakes
Holy crap they're even made in the USA! Onto my Christmas list. I'm on economy measures, trying to save up some cash. A portion of our roof has to be replaced, which in itself is no big deal but if the contractor comes up with a good enough deal I'll have him do the whole thing... -Curt Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 23:47:14 -0500 From: Russ Williams rawil...@eatel.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - buymbparts is drinking tea and eating pancakes Message-ID: 522ea452.6060...@eatel.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Williams - Sonoma has these on sale http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/usa-pan-goldtouch-nonstick-loaf-pan/?bnrid=3102206cm_ven=E3cm_cat=EDMcm_pla=0909_BrevilleOven_HEcm_ite=bnr_1Ballcm_em=rawil...@gmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in the dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit... alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?. When I bought my alternator, I needed it -that day-, so I went online, found a cheapo at the local Advance, and used the (at the time) $40 coupon. It has lasted for a couple years, though I haven't really driven that car much since July. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Dr. Strangelove again
BTW, not that anybody cares, but there's no way that Maj. Kong or anybody could get up onto or straddle a bomb in the bomb bay of a B-52. More movie magic. ;) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dr. Strangelove again
there's no way that Maj. Kong or anybody could get up onto or straddle a bomb in the bomb bay of a B-52. More movie magic. ;) We try not to let pesky reality get in the way of a good story! That is _the_ iconic scene from that movie. (But not my favorite part.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
You probably just need to replace the alternator at this point Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2013, at 11:11 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in the dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit... alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?. Bob R On Sep 9, 2013 4:40 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: If nothing else works, a short battery cable in black or red are available cheap from FLAPS Good luck - LarryT On 9/6/2013 11:10 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote: So I go out to my car at the end of my 12 hour day and pop the hood. All looks fine. I touch the negative cable I made and installed a week ago and it comes apart at the terminal connection. That explains everything. I guess my 2 ought crimping skills are lacking. Should have soldered it as well. As luck would have it, I had a clamp on terminal connection I put on in it's place, hooked up jumper cables to a work associate's Altima and 10 minutes later, it started. Tonight I will recrimp and solder the connection. Bob R On Sep 5, 2013 8:25 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: A stuck (or in my case, broken and shorted) glow plug relay will indeed run the battery flat with a good alternator, especially at night when you have the headlights on. Less power produced by the alternator than is getting used, so the battery goes flat. Happened to me on a trip, and unlike the Benz the Volvo has an electric shut off, so when the voltage goes too low the engine stops. I was looking for a place to pull over where I wouldn't get hit when I ran over a hole in the pavement and dislodged the broken contact in the relay, instantly restoring my headlights, radio, windows, and AC. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
did he figure out his general electrical problems yet? On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: You probably just need to replace the alternator at this point Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2013, at 11:11 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in the dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit... alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?. Bob R On Sep 9, 2013 4:40 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: If nothing else works, a short battery cable in black or red are available cheap from FLAPS Good luck - LarryT On 9/6/2013 11:10 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote: So I go out to my car at the end of my 12 hour day and pop the hood. All looks fine. I touch the negative cable I made and installed a week ago and it comes apart at the terminal connection. That explains everything. I guess my 2 ought crimping skills are lacking. Should have soldered it as well. As luck would have it, I had a clamp on terminal connection I put on in it's place, hooked up jumper cables to a work associate's Altima and 10 minutes later, it started. Tonight I will recrimp and solder the connection. Bob R On Sep 5, 2013 8:25 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: A stuck (or in my case, broken and shorted) glow plug relay will indeed run the battery flat with a good alternator, especially at night when you have the headlights on. Less power produced by the alternator than is getting used, so the battery goes flat. Happened to me on a trip, and unlike the Benz the Volvo has an electric shut off, so when the voltage goes too low the engine stops. I was looking for a place to pull over where I wouldn't get hit when I ran over a hole in the pavement and dislodged the broken contact in the relay, instantly restoring my headlights, radio, windows, and AC. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Yes, that is what he means, using the Eurocentric designation (orient rising sun east, that sort of thing, coming from the Age of Exploration and Empires and all that, along with a command of the Latin language and the associated etymology). But he is correct. A good friend of mine married a Chinese girl, very intelligent (she is an economics professor now, Hahvahd, MIT degrees), who grew up in New York City, no car. She learned to drive at like 22 or so, having had no need of a car up til then or any particular experience with them other than the occasional taxi, and really hated driving but had to in Houston to get anywhere (she did not want to ride the Ghetro). One day we got talking about that subject for some reason, she was all like OMG the Chinese are the worst drivers, me included! We determined, based on her ability to do extremely sophisticated econometric analysis, etc. that the reason for it was they don't grow up in a car/driving/riding culture (realizing that most are first or second generation) and so do not develop the awareness of subtle clues that are all around us and contribute to our ability to drive to varying degrees of wellness. Also recognizing many people have their heads up their posteriors, providing a similar result, oriental, chinee, or whatever. Kinda like being dropped into any culture or situation without that sort of conditioning, you will look like a fool, or worse. Her parents were off the boat, never drove a car. She was a city girl, never drove a car, so cars were like some magical thing to them, more or less. So to some extent it is a cultural attribute that is on display for all to observe. How one gauges that observation is subject to one's own subjective observations. Clay is also likely somewhat racisss but that does not really affect the quality of his subjective anecdotal observations in regards to the driving aspect. Also note that in China the chance of dying in a car crash is something like 10% for all drivers. That is, uh, high. --R On 9/10/13 10:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Do you mean Asians? On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:39 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I am not impressed with the driving ability of orientals. I am pretty sure the ones across the street are PLA spies. Been there two years and seem to get new high end cars every six months or so. First it was VW, then they moved to Benz, now it is BMW. I had a good snicker this past weekend when the fold down hard top was left down overnight while the massive thunder storm blew through. The red leather looked very unhappy with a few inches of water all over it. clay Who is glad you and the car are both doing well On Sep 9, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: I just about had the old 300D wiped out yesterday. My younger son and I were on our way to a big car show that is sponsored by the Fabulous 50's Ford Club here annually in early September. We were turning left in one of those double left turn setups, if you understand what I mean. We were southbound on McPhillips Street turning east onto Leila Avenue. There are 2 dedicated left turn lanes and I was in the outside lane. A fellow of Asian descent was in the other lane in a late model black SUV. The light turned in our favour and we both moved forward but as he turned the corner he drifted from the inside lane to the outside lane where I was. I don't know how I managed to dodge him and I don't think he even knew I was there. What a jacka**. My son's comment was, that insurance would likely pay me more than I might be able to sell the car for. Always a bright side I suppose as long as one does not get injured. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Home garage lift (pit?)
I doubt that you are too cheap. A lift in a home garage is an unusual thing. Some would call it a real luxury and unnecessary thing. It might be nice to have but there are lots of nice things that one thinks about but is unable to justify in most cases. Randy On 10/09/2013 10:55 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Maybe. How would you adapt it to modern life, centered on an amateur mechanic too cheap to buy a lift?. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Sounds like a great plot for a modern day Edgar Allen Poe story. The pit in the garage. Bricks in a hole? I'm thinking Amontillado, not pendulum. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
The light comes on (when starting) then goes out and does not come back on. Sounds like it's going to be the alternator. And, Gary, the initial issue was the ground cable. I made a new one from 2 ought cable and ran it directly from the negative post to the starter bolt. This alternator issue is simply Karma kicking me in the bean sack for whatever reason. Bob R On Sep 10, 2013 7:49 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Does the light turn on when you turn the key on? If that bulb is burned out it will not charge. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2013, at 7:53 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't understand why MB didn't put volt meters in their cars... I'll presume the light isn't on and say you need an alternator. If the light was on maybe a regulator would get it. I've NEVER gotten away with just a regulator (4 out of 5 of my MBs have needed alternators) and if I haven't replaced the battery I usually need multiple alternators until I get smart enough to replace the battery. -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:11:51 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D Message-ID: CAKOy=fuho3qrqcdus8jkmlqfoghnwurjxwr1y9fyrka2in0...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in the dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit... alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
Thanks Clay. I was pretty happy to dodge that one too. That is the second time I have had a similar near miss with the car. I think perhaps its low power is what saved me in the sense that the other driver took off quicker than I did and was ahead of me rather than beside me. Given the size of the SUV, he might not have seen me beside him even if he looked unless he used his right side mirror. Randy On 10/09/2013 12:39 AM, clay wrote: I am not impressed with the driving ability of orientals. I am pretty sure the ones across the street are PLA spies. Been there two years and seem to get new high end cars every six months or so. First it was VW, then they moved to Benz, now it is BMW. I had a good snicker this past weekend when the fold down hard top was left down overnight while the massive thunder storm blew through. The red leather looked very unhappy with a few inches of water all over it. clay Who is glad you and the car are both doing well On Sep 9, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: I just about had the old 300D wiped out yesterday. My younger son and I were on our way to a big car show that is sponsored by the Fabulous 50's Ford Club here annually in early September. We were turning left in one of those double left turn setups, if you understand what I mean. We were southbound on McPhillips Street turning east onto Leila Avenue. There are 2 dedicated left turn lanes and I was in the outside lane. A fellow of Asian descent was in the other lane in a late model black SUV. The light turned in our favour and we both moved forward but as he turned the corner he drifted from the inside lane to the outside lane where I was. I don't know how I managed to dodge him and I don't think he even knew I was there. What a jacka**. My son's comment was, that insurance would likely pay me more than I might be able to sell the car for. Always a bright side I suppose as long as one does not get injured. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
So is the Advance Auto alternator still under warranty? Mike On Sep 10, 2013 10:27 AM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote: This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in the dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit... alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?. When I bought my alternator, I needed it -that day-, so I went online, found a cheapo at the local Advance, and used the (at the time) $40 coupon. It has lasted for a couple years, though I haven't really driven that car much since July. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
last i heard, asian is PC but oriental is not, but the rules change all the time. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
You got it Wilton. Sad times when stating fact is thought of as a racial slur because some sissy failed to leave his/her feelings under the pillow when they got out of bed. I call it The Pussification of America. I tend to not worry too much about PC..Mac is much less troubleB-) Mike On Sep 10, 2013 1:05 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: What happened to the terms for different races that I learned about many years ago in high school or college - Caucasian, Negroid, Mongoloid, etc.? Isn't it merely a statement of fact, not meant as anything denigrating? - Original Message - From: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers So I was talking to my (then much younger and very PC) daughter and committed the unpardonable sin of saying that I bought some groceries at the Oriental Grocery...the actual name of the store. She demanded to know then how I would like being called an occidental. I honestly (missing the point entirely) told her I didn't give a crap. But seriously...if you want to describe an oriental (someone from the east, who is racially of a group consisting of Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Burmese etc.) and you use the term asian doesn't that term also include people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc; who are racially and culturally very different? When I read an account in the British news about some asian men being arrested for terrorist activities I can never figure out WTF they are talking about! SO is the PC version intended to blur those differences so as to make a statement that those differences are meaningless in the same way that the term partner can mean married people, people in a homosexual relationship or people working closely together in a business arrangement? Inquiring minds want to know! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-bounces@**okiebenz.commercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:32 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers last i heard, asian is PC but oriental is not, but the rules change all the time. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Is Orientals a PC term ?
The internet is full of concepts and opinions. I couldn't stand it, so I went to one of the largest purveyors of opinion to see what they say http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orient So it certainly appears that it depends on what country you live in, and in our country, depends on what state you live in. My sister lives in California, and there it appears that some have significant bias toward anyone of Asian descent, no matter the name. AFAIK there is no bias here in that direction by anybody other than Aryan skinheads, who are just biased, period. It may even depend on what county you live in. In my county, since I am now the official expert on the term, both terms will be considered politically correct to describe anyone living on the left hand side of the time line to somewhere right of Iraq. Asian will be considered a more proper term. However no one will scorn Oriental, since it's in frequent use by the old timers here. And absolutely nobody will discuss the actual path of the Orient Express. Oriental is fine. It means Korean or Japanese. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Home garage lift
How can I find a qualified installer? On Sep 10, 2013 10:47 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 20:36:04 -0700 Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: This is the general type of inserts we installed to anchor tanks and pumps in the Roseton Generating Station (across the Hudson from West Point): http://www.confast.com/products/technical-info/drop-in-anchor.aspx Yes, those are the type of anchors to use. That's what I used for our garage closet. Looking at the specs it looks like they have more than adequate strength to anchor a lift. Other types of anchors, such as lead or plastic...not so much. Actually, not at all Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Paatz.
Alles. Got my paatz from Gary today. Right parts, right price, right on time! Woohoo! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
Neither is particularly descriptive in a useful way, like african American. I know a guy from South Africa, he's white as me but looks a bit like a hobbit. He proudly declares that he's african American and its true, he's a naturalized citizen. People say african American when they mean black. I don't understand why its okay to say white but not to say black. I find people of color insulting to those of us with changeable skin tone. I'm pretty dark right now, its been a good summer. Anyway, last I heard it Orientals are carpets. -Curt Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:54:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers Message-ID: 1378828447.85875.yahoomail...@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. ?Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? ? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Home garage lift
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:18:17 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: How can I find a qualified installer? As the manufacturer of the lift, or your local distributor (but, of course, not Costco). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paatz.
Gary. No, It didn't. Maybe I should learn the emoticon waltz to clarify my babble. One of my oldest friends is a marketing type, and a good one,. We snipe at each other constantly and laugh like hell! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paatz. that is exactly my point, but, alas, it is missed :( On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote: Gary. I'll have some of what you are smoking. Ironically. I'm 70, Been there and done most of that and have a pair of TDs to show for it. Marketing makes me tired. Bullsh*t, bullsh*t, bullsh*t etc. ad nauseum. The only time I'm On the go is when I need to pee. Engineering types ask, Bigger that what? Better by how much? Newer that what? how is it better? Gimme the figures, keep your BS! Lifestyle, my arse! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paatz. you are missing the whole point of marketing. it;'s not about parts. it's about a lifestyle. young! sexy! on the go! On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Um. Gary's parts make me feel sexy? Not! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paatz.
i hate marketing as it is the art of selling you garbage you don't have any use for and making you feel good about the hosing just received i don't get why people go for it, but they love it. not getting this is probably why i'm not good with the ladies either it's all foreign to me On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote: Gary. No, It didn't. Maybe I should learn the emoticon waltz to clarify my babble. One of my oldest friends is a marketing type, and a good one,. We snipe at each other constantly and laugh like hell! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paatz. that is exactly my point, but, alas, it is missed :( On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Gary. I'll have some of what you are smoking. Ironically. I'm 70, Been there and done most of that and have a pair of TDs to show for it. Marketing makes me tired. Bullsh*t, bullsh*t, bullsh*t etc. ad nauseum. The only time I'm On the go is when I need to pee. Engineering types ask, Bigger that what? Better by how much? Newer that what? how is it better? Gimme the figures, keep your BS! Lifestyle, my arse! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paatz. you are missing the whole point of marketing. it;'s not about parts. it's about a lifestyle. young! sexy! on the go! On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Um. Gary's parts make me feel sexy? Not! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Home garage lift
Local distributor of what? We don't make or distribute anything where I live except policy papers and gridlock. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:18:17 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: How can I find a qualified installer? As the manufacturer of the lift, or your local distributor (but, of course, not Costco). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paatz.
harold lloyd had similar problems, btw, when switching over to talkies On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i hate marketing as it is the art of selling you garbage you don't have any use for and making you feel good about the hosing just received i don't get why people go for it, but they love it. not getting this is probably why i'm not good with the ladies either it's all foreign to me On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote: Gary. No, It didn't. Maybe I should learn the emoticon waltz to clarify my babble. One of my oldest friends is a marketing type, and a good one,. We snipe at each other constantly and laugh like hell! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paatz. that is exactly my point, but, alas, it is missed :( On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Gary. I'll have some of what you are smoking. Ironically. I'm 70, Been there and done most of that and have a pair of TDs to show for it. Marketing makes me tired. Bullsh*t, bullsh*t, bullsh*t etc. ad nauseum. The only time I'm On the go is when I need to pee. Engineering types ask, Bigger that what? Better by how much? Newer that what? how is it better? Gimme the figures, keep your BS! Lifestyle, my arse! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paatz. you are missing the whole point of marketing. it;'s not about parts. it's about a lifestyle. young! sexy! on the go! On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Um. Gary's parts make me feel sexy? Not! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paatz.
I am buying some springs from Gary. He promised me they would lift my bonnet and keep it up, even on an old car. --R On 9/10/13 4:19 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i hate marketing as it is the art of selling you garbage you don't have any use for and making you feel good about the hosing just received i don't get why people go for it, but they love it. not getting this is probably why i'm not good with the ladies either it's all foreign to me On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote: Gary. No, It didn't. Maybe I should learn the emoticon waltz to clarify my babble. One of my oldest friends is a marketing type, and a good one,. We snipe at each other constantly and laugh like hell! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paatz. that is exactly my point, but, alas, it is missed :( On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Gary. I'll have some of what you are smoking. Ironically. I'm 70, Been there and done most of that and have a pair of TDs to show for it. Marketing makes me tired. Bullsh*t, bullsh*t, bullsh*t etc. ad nauseum. The only time I'm On the go is when I need to pee. Engineering types ask, Bigger that what? Better by how much? Newer that what? how is it better? Gimme the figures, keep your BS! Lifestyle, my arse! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paatz. you are missing the whole point of marketing. it;'s not about parts. it's about a lifestyle. young! sexy! on the go! On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Um. Gary's parts make me feel sexy? Not! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
Are russians asians? There is a lot of that country stuck on asia. And the people on the steppes? Asian? The Indian indians do not like being called asians. Must be the mountain range separates them from china makes them non asian. Are we needing to drill down fully so that we cover all the bases. Austrian or Tyrollean extraction v. Italian Tyrollean. Genetic basis to really be specific. That would resolve a bunch of grey area. Sneetches. Who is better, the starred ones or the blank? clay On Sep 10, 2013, at 9:36 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: So if this works like other minorities then if you are Oriental or Asian you can refer to your peers as Chinks and still be politically correct? Mike Who hopes someone besides me gets the humor... On Sep 10, 2013 12:31 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: last i heard, asian is PC but oriental is not, but the rules change all the time. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How the dealer tried to screw me over
After they could tell I knew what I was talking about and I have all the same diagnostic equipment they had they dropped the issue. I hate dealers. Reminds me of the time I helped a friend drop off a F250 6.9 at the dealer to have the control pressures checked in the transmission. They called up the next day and said the truck wouldn't start, so they needed $300 or something for new batteries before they'd do any other work. I drove out there, popped the hood to make sure his both his 3 month old Exides were still in it, and saw a loose wire next to the IP. So I plugged in the ignition signal wire at the fuel shutoff solenoid on the IP, hopped in the truck and it started right up, didn't even crank slowly. I drove it to the shop door and told them to quit messing around and do the job that was on the work order. I didn't mention to them that I knew they sabotaged it to keep it from starting. Obviously the shutoff wire was connected when I drove the truck in the day before. If I had any brains I would have driven the truck back to my friend's house and told him to take me back to pick up my car. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is Orientals a PC term ?
On Sep 10, 2013 2:40 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Technically... the term to De Nigrate .. or to be Denegrating is not politically correct.. the foundational history of that word is to compare someone of the n word status by action, deed, or intent... Close, but no cigar. Denigrate, like most ten-cent words in English, comes from Latin via Old French. The root is indeed denigrare, meaning to darken, but the connotation is a figurative one, a close cousin to the expression blacken one's reputation--i.e., to denigrate someone or something is to imply that it's shady, unwholesome, evil, as in blackball, blackguard, or the Prince of Darkness. Nothing to do with race. Alex amateur linguistics student ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rain
bet they are nice parts though On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote: Alles. I must not live right. Got my parts, went outside and now it is raining, geesh! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is Orientals a PC term ?
Wilton, As Marshall took his last breath, he whispered to me that he really think's it's OK if someone does not sign his posts. (c: And you can take Rowan County's recently adopted PC terminology for your county if you wish. You're close enough and old enough (c: What happened to the terms for different races that I learned about many years ago in high school or college - Caucasian, Negroid, Mongoloid, etc.? Isn't it merely a statement of fact, not meant as anything denigrating? The internet is full of concepts and opinions. I couldn't stand it, so I went to one of the largest purveyors of opinion to see what they say http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orient So it certainly appears that it depends on what country you live in, and in our country, depends on what state you live in. My sister lives in California, and there it appears that some have significant bias toward anyone of Asian descent, no matter the name. AFAIK there is no bias here in that direction by anybody other than Aryan skinheads, who are just biased, period. It may even depend on what county you live in. In my county, since I am now the official expert on the term, both terms will be considered politically correct to describe anyone living on the left hand side of the time line to somewhere right of Iraq. Asian will be considered a more proper term. However no one will scorn Oriental, since it's in frequent use by the old timers here. And absolutely nobody will discuss the actual path of the Orient Express. Oriental is fine. It means Korean or Japanese. ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spray on undercoat
Another option is seam sealer in a can. Apply with a brush and then texture with the end of the bristles by dabbing. This can simulate the thick sprayed on look. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:59 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Anybody want to talk about cars? ;) So I did a bunch of welding on the Jetta, its cleaning up nicely but will need a helluva lot more. I may finally finish off the old computer I've been scavenging metal out of and move on to my recently replaced microwave. It'll be a hard move, computer metal is nice to work with. Interestingly where a 190D would rot right in the curve of the rocker the Jetta rots out the flat underneath, it sure is fun lying on your back welding over your head... Anyway I welded in metal and painted on POR15 which is probably good enough for the underside of the car but its got black trim on the front and rear down level with the rocker so I figure I'll paint the rockers black at that level all the way around. Fred and I had a discussion of spray on undercoat. He's saying 3M Schutz or Duplicolor UC103. The former is fairly expensive (around $16/can) in that its twice the latter. I've used some NAPA stuff before that was fair to middling but doesn't seem to stay on that great. Anybody else got a favorite? Its got to be something preloaded in cans, I'm not going to get into a sprayer and all that just for this project. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spray on undercoat
Demitri, make sure you paint the POR, as it breaks down when exposed to UV. Might not get much on the underside, but better safe. I put a light coat on my POR with cheapo rattle can even though it is under the carpeting, clay On Sep 10, 2013, at 3:16 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Another option is seam sealer in a can. Apply with a brush and then texture with the end of the bristles by dabbing. This can simulate the thick sprayed on look. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:59 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Anybody want to talk about cars? ;) So I did a bunch of welding on the Jetta, its cleaning up nicely but will need a helluva lot more. I may finally finish off the old computer I've been scavenging metal out of and move on to my recently replaced microwave. It'll be a hard move, computer metal is nice to work with. Interestingly where a 190D would rot right in the curve of the rocker the Jetta rots out the flat underneath, it sure is fun lying on your back welding over your head... Anyway I welded in metal and painted on POR15 which is probably good enough for the underside of the car but its got black trim on the front and rear down level with the rocker so I figure I'll paint the rockers black at that level all the way around. Fred and I had a discussion of spray on undercoat. He's saying 3M Schutz or Duplicolor UC103. The former is fairly expensive (around $16/can) in that its twice the latter. I've used some NAPA stuff before that was fair to middling but doesn't seem to stay on that great. Anybody else got a favorite? Its got to be something preloaded in cans, I'm not going to get into a sprayer and all that just for this project. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dr. Strangelove again
OK Don wrote: You have to suspend disbelief when watching movies --- I watched Safe House several months ago. Probably not believable, but Denzel Washington was too cool. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
...perhaps a legacy of racial bias, slavery etc. It is a common misconception that the US is unique or even preeminent in having a history of slavery. Most of the African slave trade went east, not west. Even the western slave trade went more to countries south of the US. Slavery exists today in many parts of the world. Some of my close relatives are named Loschiavo, which translates from the Italian as the slave. The village in Italy where my dad (and the Loschiavos) were born was moved up the mountains away from the sea three times in its history. Some say this was to escape the depredations of the Corsairs. The ethnic group in the US that were victims of the largest number of lynchings (as a percent of their population numbers) were not African blacks, but Italians. The largest mass lynching that took place in the US was of Italians, not African blacks. Indeed Mississippi and Louisiana were to become a worldwide symbol of Anti Italianism when, in 1891, eleven Italian immigrants in New Orleans were lynched due to their alleged role in the murder of the police chief David Hennessy.[4] This was one of the largest mass lynchings in U.S. history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Italians_in_Mississippi Most people are skeptical of this, where are the Italian Sharptons and Jacksons screaming for compensation? Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers Ot On Sep 10, 2013 4:41 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: A parent of one of my son's friends is from Dutch Guiana. She refers to people by the color of their skin. When I asked her about this, she said it was a common way in her previous culture to identify people, as in a black man or a yellow woman. She emphasized that it was never done in a disparaging manner, it was just a way to identify a characteristic. She found it strange that our culture could potentially find it inappropriate. I told her it was more a matter of societal norms and nothing else... Dan Sent from my iPad On Sep 10, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Neither is particularly descriptive in a useful way, like african American. I know a guy from South Africa, he's white as me but looks a bit like a hobbit. He proudly declares that he's african American and its true, he's a naturalized citizen. People say african American when they mean black. I don't understand why its okay to say white but not to say black. I find people of color insulting to those of us with changeable skin tone. I'm pretty dark right now, its been a good summer. Anyway, last I heard it Orientals are carpets. -Curt Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:54:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers Message-ID: 1378828447.85875.yahoomail...@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. ?Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? ? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
We have some Orientals, Iranian (Persian), Indian, Kurdish, and others (can't remember the specifics) here in the house; 'walk on 'em every day. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers But they are not a carpet. That is racist to say a middle eastern rug is oriental. If the thing is made in china, it can be oriental. clay On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Neither is particularly descriptive in a useful way, like african American. I know a guy from South Africa, he's white as me but looks a bit like a hobbit. He proudly declares that he's african American and its true, he's a naturalized citizen. People say african American when they mean black. I don't understand why its okay to say white but not to say black. I find people of color insulting to those of us with changeable skin tone. I'm pretty dark right now, its been a good summer. Anyway, last I heard it Orientals are carpets. -Curt Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:54:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers Message-ID: 1378828447.85875.yahoomail...@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. ?Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? ? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] CL moron of the week, and it is only tuesday
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/4045628292.html This just screams idiot who should not sell cars. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paatz.
Dependable, reliable, long-lived, economical, timely. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paatz. you are missing the whole point of marketing. it;'s not about parts. it's about a lifestyle. young! sexy! on the go! On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote: Um. Gary's parts make me feel sexy? Not! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paatz. you left out how sexy they make you feel O ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spray on undercoat
What I'm not good enough to reply to? My plan to coat the POR15 was a big part of why I was asking... -Curt Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:22:05 -0700 From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spray on undercoat Message-ID: 4fe1db0c-db17-485a-8f08-7a426cf57...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Demitri, make sure you paint the POR, as it breaks down when exposed to UV. Might not get much on the underside, but better safe. I put a light coat on my POR with cheapo rattle can even though it is under the carpeting, clay On Sep 10, 2013, at 3:16 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Another option is seam sealer in a can. Apply with a brush and then texture with the end of the bristles by dabbing. This can simulate the thick sprayed on look. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:59 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Anybody want to talk about cars? ;) So I did a bunch of welding on the Jetta, its cleaning up nicely but will need a helluva lot more. I may finally finish off the old computer I've been scavenging metal out of and move on to my recently replaced microwave. It'll be a hard move, computer metal is nice to work with. Interestingly where a 190D would rot right in the curve of the rocker the Jetta rots out the flat underneath, it sure is fun lying on your back welding over your head... Anyway I welded in metal and painted on POR15 which is probably good enough for the underside of the car but its got black trim on the front and rear down level with the rocker so I figure I'll paint the rockers black at that level all the way around. Fred and I had a discussion of spray on undercoat. He's saying 3M Schutz or Duplicolor UC103. The former is fairly expensive (around $16/can) in that its twice the latter. I've used some NAPA stuff before that was fair to middling but doesn't seem to stay on that great. Anybody else got a favorite? Its got to be something preloaded in cans, I'm not going to get into a sprayer and all that just for this project. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL lives!
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:11:10 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: '87 300D cruise control working nicely now with amp cannibalized from SDL. 'Sure makes it a lot easier for me to drive. ATTABOY!!! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paatz.
it's funny but i'm just talking about your springs with clay. here is one reply i got trying to source them so i could ship them to you today rather than wait on MB You have to be kidding I though you would get request on waterpumps , brakes tune up parts, shocks You seem to get a lot of weird request even if we had it all time involved how much would you make couple of bucks ?? On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I am buying some springs from Gary. He promised me they would lift my bonnet and keep it up, even on an old car. --R On 9/10/13 4:19 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i hate marketing as it is the art of selling you garbage you don't have any use for and making you feel good about the hosing just received i don't get why people go for it, but they love it. not getting this is probably why i'm not good with the ladies either it's all foreign to me On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Gary. No, It didn't. Maybe I should learn the emoticon waltz to clarify my babble. One of my oldest friends is a marketing type, and a good one,. We snipe at each other constantly and laugh like hell! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. __**__ From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paatz. that is exactly my point, but, alas, it is missed :( On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Gary. I'll have some of what you are smoking. Ironically. I'm 70, Been there and done most of that and have a pair of TDs to show for it. Marketing makes me tired. Bullsh*t, bullsh*t, bullsh*t etc. ad nauseum. The only time I'm On the go is when I need to pee. Engineering types ask, Bigger that what? Better by how much? Newer that what? how is it better? Gimme the figures, keep your BS! Lifestyle, my arse! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. __**__ From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paatz. you are missing the whole point of marketing. it;'s not about parts. it's about a lifestyle. young! sexy! on the go! On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Um. Gary's parts make me feel sexy? Not! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paatz.
Damn, you don't look or act 70! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Gary. I'll have some of what you are smoking. Ironically. I'm 70, Been there and done most of that and have a pair of TDs to show for it. Marketing makes me tired. Bullsh*t, bullsh*t, bullsh*t etc. ad nauseum. The only time I'm On the go is when I need to pee. Engineering types ask, Bigger that what? Better by how much? Newer that what? how is it better? Gimme the figures, keep your BS! Lifestyle, my arse! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paatz. you are missing the whole point of marketing. it;'s not about parts. it's about a lifestyle. young! sexy! on the go! On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote: Um. Gary's parts make me feel sexy? Not! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is Orientals a PC term ?
there was the famous story of the guy who lost his job for saying niggardly. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 5:40 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Technically... the term to De Nigrate .. or to be Denegrating is not politically correct.. the foundational history of that word is to compare someone of the n word status by action, deed, or intent... Have we really come this far? Grant... Who is Compassion Challenged with Political Correctness [Think on it.. it will come to you] On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: The internet is full of concepts and opinions. I couldn't stand it, so I went to one of the largest purveyors of opinion to see what they say http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orient So it certainly appears that it depends on what country you live in, and in our country, depends on what state you live in. My sister lives in California, and there it appears that some have significant bias toward anyone of Asian descent, no matter the name. AFAIK there is no bias here in that direction by anybody other than Aryan skinheads, who are just biased, period. It may even depend on what county you live in. In my county, since I am now the official expert on the term, both terms will be considered politically correct to describe anyone living on the left hand side of the time line to somewhere right of Iraq. Asian will be considered a more proper term. However no one will scorn Oriental, since it's in frequent use by the old timers here. And absolutely nobody will discuss the actual path of the Orient Express. Oriental is fine. It means Korean or Japanese. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paatz.
yes, my parts will keep you young. living proof! just call me dr dulcamara! On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 8:23 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Damn, you don't look or act 70! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Gary. I'll have some of what you are smoking. Ironically. I'm 70, Been there and done most of that and have a pair of TDs to show for it. Marketing makes me tired. Bullsh*t, bullsh*t, bullsh*t etc. ad nauseum. The only time I'm On the go is when I need to pee. Engineering types ask, Bigger that what? Better by how much? Newer that what? how is it better? Gimme the figures, keep your BS! Lifestyle, my arse! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paatz. you are missing the whole point of marketing. it;'s not about parts. it's about a lifestyle. young! sexy! on the go! On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Um. Gary's parts make me feel sexy? Not! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paatz.
Gary. I'll have some of what you are smoking. Ironically. I'm 70, Been there and done most of that and have a pair of TDs to show for it. Marketing makes me tired. Bullsh*t, bullsh*t, bullsh*t etc. ad nauseum. The only time I'm On the go is when I need to pee. Engineering types ask, Bigger that what? Better by how much? Newer that what? how is it better? Gimme the figures, keep your BS! Lifestyle, my arse! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paatz. you are missing the whole point of marketing. it;'s not about parts. it's about a lifestyle. young! sexy! on the go! On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote: Um. Gary's parts make me feel sexy? Not! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Rain
Alles. I must not live right. Got my parts, went outside and now it is raining, geesh! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Pee Cee, not
There's an annual contest at the Griffiths University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term. This year's term was.. 'political correctness'. The winning student wrote: Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end.' Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
So I was talking to my (then much younger and very PC) daughter and committed the unpardonable sin of saying that I bought some groceries at the Oriental Grocery...the actual name of the store. She demanded to know then how I would like being called an occidental. I honestly (missing the point entirely) told her I didn't give a crap. But seriously...if you want to describe an oriental (someone from the east, who is racially of a group consisting of Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Burmese etc.) and you use the term asian doesn't that term also include people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc; who are racially and culturally very different? When I read an account in the British news about some asian men being arrested for terrorist activities I can never figure out WTF they are talking about! SO is the PC version intended to blur those differences so as to make a statement that those differences are meaningless in the same way that the term partner can mean married people, people in a homosexual relationship or people working closely together in a business arrangement? Inquiring minds want to know! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:32 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers last i heard, asian is PC but oriental is not, but the rules change all the time. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
Maybe Robert has been into some of Georges' magic smoke? That stuff has been such a challenge for Lucas to keep in the wires. Mike On Sep 10, 2013 12:34 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: did you apologize to robert bosch yet for accusing him of being the new george lucas? On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The light comes on (when starting) then goes out and does not come back on. Sounds like it's going to be the alternator. And, Gary, the initial issue was the ground cable. I made a new one from 2 ought cable and ran it directly from the negative post to the starter bolt. This alternator issue is simply Karma kicking me in the bean sack for whatever reason. Bob R On Sep 10, 2013 7:49 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Does the light turn on when you turn the key on? If that bulb is burned out it will not charge. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2013, at 7:53 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't understand why MB didn't put volt meters in their cars... I'll presume the light isn't on and say you need an alternator. If the light was on maybe a regulator would get it. I've NEVER gotten away with just a regulator (4 out of 5 of my MBs have needed alternators) and if I haven't replaced the battery I usually need multiple alternators until I get smart enough to replace the battery. -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:11:51 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D Message-ID: CAKOy= fuho3qrqcdus8jkmlqfoghnwurjxwr1y9fyrka2in0...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in the dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit... alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
And BTW, my Asian ex spouse never caused an accident and was a very capable driver, despite having been chauffered around as a child of an upper class family in Burma before learning to drive on her own. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Yes, that is what he means, using the Eurocentric designation (orient rising sun east, that sort of thing, coming from the Age of Exploration and Empires and all that, along with a command of the Latin language and the associated etymology). But he is correct. A good friend of mine married a Chinese girl, very intelligent (she is an economics professor now, Hahvahd, MIT degrees), who grew up in New York City, no car. She learned to drive at like 22 or so, having had no need of a car up til then or any particular experience with them other than the occasional taxi, and really hated driving but had to in Houston to get anywhere (she did not want to ride the Ghetro). One day we got talking about that subject for some reason, she was all like OMG the Chinese are the worst drivers, me included! We determined, based on her ability to do extremely sophisticated econometric analysis, etc. that the reason for it was they don't grow up in a car/driving/riding culture (realizing that most are first or second generation) and so do not develop the awareness of subtle clues that are all around us and contribute to our ability to drive to varying degrees of wellness. Also recognizing many people have their heads up their posteriors, providing a similar result, oriental, chinee, or whatever. Kinda like being dropped into any culture or situation without that sort of conditioning, you will look like a fool, or worse. Her parents were off the boat, never drove a car. She was a city girl, never drove a car, so cars were like some magical thing to them, more or less. So to some extent it is a cultural attribute that is on display for all to observe. How one gauges that observation is subject to one's own subjective observations. Clay is also likely somewhat racisss but that does not really affect the quality of his subjective anecdotal observations in regards to the driving aspect. Also note that in China the chance of dying in a car crash is something like 10% for all drivers. That is, uh, high. --R On 9/10/13 10:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Do you mean Asians? On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:39 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I am not impressed with the driving ability of orientals. I am pretty sure the ones across the street are PLA spies. Been there two years and seem to get new high end cars every six months or so. First it was VW, then they moved to Benz, now it is BMW. I had a good snicker this past weekend when the fold down hard top was left down overnight while the massive thunder storm blew through. The red leather looked very unhappy with a few inches of water all over it. clay Who is glad you and the car are both doing well On Sep 9, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: I just about had the old 300D wiped out yesterday. My younger son and I were on our way to a big car show that is sponsored by the Fabulous 50's Ford Club here annually in early September. We were turning left in one of those double left turn setups, if you understand what I mean. We were southbound on McPhillips Street turning east onto Leila Avenue. There are 2 dedicated left turn lanes and I was in the outside lane. A fellow of Asian descent was in the other lane in a late model black SUV. The light turned in our favour and we both moved forward but as he turned the corner he drifted from the inside lane to the outside lane where I was. I don't know how I managed to dodge him and I don't think he even knew I was there. What a jacka**. My son's comment was, that insurance would likely pay me more than I might be able to sell the car for. Always a bright side I suppose as long as one does not get injured. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_
Re: [MBZ] Paatz.
you left out how sexy they make you feel On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote: Alles. Got my paatz from Gary today. Right parts, right price, right on time! Woohoo! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paatz.
Um. Gary's parts make me feel sexy? Not! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paatz. you left out how sexy they make you feel O ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Home garage lift (pit?)
Maybe. How would you adapt it to modern life, centered on an amateur mechanic too cheap to buy a lift?. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Sounds like a great plot for a modern day Edgar Allen Poe story. The pit in the garage. Bricks in a hole? I'm thinking Amontillado, not pendulum. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
did you apologize to robert bosch yet for accusing him of being the new george lucas? On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The light comes on (when starting) then goes out and does not come back on. Sounds like it's going to be the alternator. And, Gary, the initial issue was the ground cable. I made a new one from 2 ought cable and ran it directly from the negative post to the starter bolt. This alternator issue is simply Karma kicking me in the bean sack for whatever reason. Bob R On Sep 10, 2013 7:49 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Does the light turn on when you turn the key on? If that bulb is burned out it will not charge. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2013, at 7:53 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't understand why MB didn't put volt meters in their cars... I'll presume the light isn't on and say you need an alternator. If the light was on maybe a regulator would get it. I've NEVER gotten away with just a regulator (4 out of 5 of my MBs have needed alternators) and if I haven't replaced the battery I usually need multiple alternators until I get smart enough to replace the battery. -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:11:51 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D Message-ID: CAKOy= fuho3qrqcdus8jkmlqfoghnwurjxwr1y9fyrka2in0...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in the dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit... alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL moron of the week, and it is only tuesday
Maybe only one bank actually works. The listing has it as V8. that means they are aware there are 8, but maybe only 4 function. So it would be twice the price with all banks firing? clay On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Richard Hattaway wrote: So they think it's a four cylinder?? I'd go look at that car if it were on this coast. The price is right for here, and I love English Red. From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:23 PM Subject: [MBZ] CL moron of the week, and it is only tuesday http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/4045628292.html This just screams idiot who should not sell cars. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
There you go. Hope for everyone! I'm thinking that riding in a car in Burma would be roughly equivalent to driving around Boston from the age of 2 as far as experience with the whole car deal goes. If you don't like how I drive, stay off the damn sidewalk! --R On 9/10/13 11:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: And BTW, my Asian ex spouse never caused an accident and was a very capable driver, despite having been chauffered around as a child of an upper class family in Burma before learning to drive on her own. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
What happened to the terms for different races that I learned about many years ago in high school or college - Caucasian, Negroid, Mongoloid, etc.? Isn't it merely a statement of fact, not meant as anything denigrating? - Original Message - From: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers So I was talking to my (then much younger and very PC) daughter and committed the unpardonable sin of saying that I bought some groceries at the Oriental Grocery...the actual name of the store. She demanded to know then how I would like being called an occidental. I honestly (missing the point entirely) told her I didn't give a crap. But seriously...if you want to describe an oriental (someone from the east, who is racially of a group consisting of Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Burmese etc.) and you use the term asian doesn't that term also include people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc; who are racially and culturally very different? When I read an account in the British news about some asian men being arrested for terrorist activities I can never figure out WTF they are talking about! SO is the PC version intended to blur those differences so as to make a statement that those differences are meaningless in the same way that the term partner can mean married people, people in a homosexual relationship or people working closely together in a business arrangement? Inquiring minds want to know! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:32 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers last i heard, asian is PC but oriental is not, but the rules change all the time. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
Do you mean Asians? On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:39 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I am not impressed with the driving ability of orientals. I am pretty sure the ones across the street are PLA spies. Been there two years and seem to get new high end cars every six months or so. First it was VW, then they moved to Benz, now it is BMW. I had a good snicker this past weekend when the fold down hard top was left down overnight while the massive thunder storm blew through. The red leather looked very unhappy with a few inches of water all over it. clay Who is glad you and the car are both doing well On Sep 9, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: I just about had the old 300D wiped out yesterday. My younger son and I were on our way to a big car show that is sponsored by the Fabulous 50's Ford Club here annually in early September. We were turning left in one of those double left turn setups, if you understand what I mean. We were southbound on McPhillips Street turning east onto Leila Avenue. There are 2 dedicated left turn lanes and I was in the outside lane. A fellow of Asian descent was in the other lane in a late model black SUV. The light turned in our favour and we both moved forward but as he turned the corner he drifted from the inside lane to the outside lane where I was. I don't know how I managed to dodge him and I don't think he even knew I was there. What a jacka**. My son's comment was, that insurance would likely pay me more than I might be able to sell the car for. Always a bright side I suppose as long as one does not get injured. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
no, greg, the whole PC thing it to bring certain individuals power that they did not have before. it's about how the disenfranchised gain control On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: So I was talking to my (then much younger and very PC) daughter and committed the unpardonable sin of saying that I bought some groceries at the Oriental Grocery...the actual name of the store. She demanded to know then how I would like being called an occidental. I honestly (missing the point entirely) told her I didn't give a crap. But seriously...if you want to describe an oriental (someone from the east, who is racially of a group consisting of Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Burmese etc.) and you use the term asian doesn't that term also include people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc; who are racially and culturally very different? When I read an account in the British news about some asian men being arrested for terrorist activities I can never figure out WTF they are talking about! SO is the PC version intended to blur those differences so as to make a statement that those differences are meaningless in the same way that the term partner can mean married people, people in a homosexual relationship or people working closely together in a business arrangement? Inquiring minds want to know! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:32 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers last i heard, asian is PC but oriental is not, but the rules change all the time. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Home garage lift
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 20:36:04 -0700 Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: This is the general type of inserts we installed to anchor tanks and pumps in the Roseton Generating Station (across the Hudson from West Point): http://www.confast.com/products/technical-info/drop-in-anchor.aspx Yes, those are the type of anchors to use. That's what I used for our garage closet. Looking at the specs it looks like they have more than adequate strength to anchor a lift. Other types of anchors, such as lead or plastic...not so much. Actually, not at all Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
Sorry Wilton, you can only self identify, no longer is race able to be designated. You have to be latino or african american. You can be white is you really need to be. Maybe asian american, but they are not happy about that given the density of that population here, prefer to be identified by nationality. They seem not to like each others ethnicity. clay On Sep 10, 2013, at 10:04 AM, WILTON wrote: What happened to the terms for different races that I learned about many years ago in high school or college - Caucasian, Negroid, Mongoloid, etc.? Isn't it merely a statement of fact, not meant as anything denigrating? - Original Message - From: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers So I was talking to my (then much younger and very PC) daughter and committed the unpardonable sin of saying that I bought some groceries at the Oriental Grocery...the actual name of the store. She demanded to know then how I would like being called an occidental. I honestly (missing the point entirely) told her I didn't give a crap. But seriously...if you want to describe an oriental (someone from the east, who is racially of a group consisting of Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Burmese etc.) and you use the term asian doesn't that term also include people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc; who are racially and culturally very different? When I read an account in the British news about some asian men being arrested for terrorist activities I can never figure out WTF they are talking about! SO is the PC version intended to blur those differences so as to make a statement that those differences are meaningless in the same way that the term partner can mean married people, people in a homosexual relationship or people working closely together in a business arrangement? Inquiring minds want to know! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:32 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers last i heard, asian is PC but oriental is not, but the rules change all the time. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How the dealer tried to screw me over
Welcome aboard! Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com; davesl...@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 4:49 PM Subject: [MBZ] How the dealer tried to screw me over So I had to trailer my GL to the MB dealer yesterday. The reason being LF airmatic shock blew out all the sudden. This was done at the dealer on 9/14 last year, so it falls under the 1 years parts and labor warranty. I have also noticed the LR sometimes seems to sink when it is sitting at random, sometimes it does, sometimes it does not. Anyway, I figured dealer would try to get some money out of me somehow. So I just got the call, they are replacing the LF shock under warrant but said the LR is leaking all and would be $680 something or other to replace. They also said they hooked it up to the SDS system and found the compressor was running but was weak. I told them I would replace the rear air bag when I got it home and that the compressor is BRAND NEW and only has about 2k miles on it, and I ALSO have a SDS system and just tested the system 2 days ago and the compressor met specs very quickly, as a brand new compressor would. After they could tell I knew what I was talking about and I have all the same diagnostic equipment they had they dropped the issue. I hate dealers. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
The latins are less afraid of their shadows and more honest with identifying characteristics. IT does speed things along when you can say it was a chinese or a turk indicating a store owner, as they tended to focus according to ethnicity what sort of retail business it was. Like being able to pair a person from Pakistan to 7-11. clay On Sep 10, 2013, at 1:41 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: A parent of one of my son's friends is from Dutch Guiana. She refers to people by the color of their skin. When I asked her about this, she said it was a common way in her previous culture to identify people, as in a black man or a yellow woman. She emphasized that it was never done in a disparaging manner, it was just a way to identify a characteristic. She found it strange that our culture could potentially find it inappropriate. I told her it was more a matter of societal norms and nothing else... Dan Sent from my iPad On Sep 10, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Neither is particularly descriptive in a useful way, like african American. I know a guy from South Africa, he's white as me but looks a bit like a hobbit. He proudly declares that he's african American and its true, he's a naturalized citizen. People say african American when they mean black. I don't understand why its okay to say white but not to say black. I find people of color insulting to those of us with changeable skin tone. I'm pretty dark right now, its been a good summer. Anyway, last I heard it Orientals are carpets. -Curt Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:54:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers Message-ID: 1378828447.85875.yahoomail...@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. ?Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? ? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] (CORRECTION) My Wretched 240D
Sorry to hear you're having so much trouble, Bob. I'm still playing with the alternator? regulator? battery? problem in my '83 300D because I want to figure out why I, and many other people, are having fairly frequent problems. I've set up a bench test with a new shop battery (that's normally a backup for the burglar/fire alarm system) so I can test alternators and regulators. I still need to find out the size and type of charging light bulb, the 18 ohm resistor, and the diode in series with it; all of which are in the instrument cluster; in order to duplicate the charging system on the car. This part of the charging system is not intuitive, (See schematic from the shop manual sent separately), at least to me. One test that seems to be missing from the current FLAPS DIY protocol is specific gravity, and hence the state of charge, of the battery. It's messy and it's easy to get burned with battery acid, so FLAPS; Autozone and Advance at least; don't test specific gravity and will argue with you if you tell them the sp.gr. is off in one or more battery cells even though their handheld testers show that the battery is good. Instructions that come with new Bosch alternators say that battery must be fully charged before installation or the diodes can be damaged. Under the current methodology no one knows the state of their batteries charge because they don't test it's sp.gr. Could this be the reason some on the list have frequent regulator and/or alternator failures; they are throwing a heavy charging load on the new parts as soon as they're installed? Gary said that Bosch products are not what they used to be, so treating them gently may be especially necessary. From now on my first test will be specific gravity done with a real glass hydrometer (not the cheap plastic kind). If the readings in all the cells are close; no matter what the sp.gr./state of charge, the battery is probably okay. That's the way we did it with the old type batteries. The next step will be to charge the battery with my 10 amp. battery charger set on MANUAL; (automatic settings are useless on my charger); the cell covers off, and a disposable rag lying over the open cells in case the bubbling electrolyte splatters small amounts onto the top of the battery. After charging for an hour, I'll let the battery cool down and then re-check the cells sp.gr. in order to get an idea of how fast the battery is charging. I don't want to overcharge and damage the battery. If the sp.gr. reading are approximately the same in all cells after the battery is fully charged, I'll assume the battery is good and then install the new alternator and/or regulator; or test the charging voltage on those that are already installed. If a cell is down in the red range on the hydrometer and the other cells are in the green, I'll go back to the battery seller and demand a new battery after showing him/her the sp.gr. readings on the current battery. If the battery is good and the charging voltage is low, I'll replace the regulator and check the charging voltage again. If the charging voltage is still low, I'll replace the ALTERNATOR (CORRECTION). Good luck with solving your problems, Bob. Gerry . From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in the dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit... alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dr. Strangelove again
'Zackly. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dr. Strangelove again there's no way that Maj. Kong or anybody could get up onto or straddle a bomb in the bomb bay of a B-52. More movie magic. ;) We try not to let pesky reality get in the way of a good story! That is _the_ iconic scene from that movie. (But not my favorite part.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Home garage lift (pit?)
The story would clearly start, Hey y'all, ho mah beer and watchiss --R On 9/10/13 12:16 PM, Craig wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 11:55:22 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 10:59:12 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like a great plot for a modern day Edgar Allen Poe story. The pit in the garage. Bricks in a hole? I'm thinking Amontillado, not pendulum. Maybe. How would you adapt it to modern life, centered on an amateur mechanic too cheap to buy a lift?. And that with no wine! The mover of the Cask of Amontillado was a man who wanted to murder a drunk and tempted him with a tale of rare wine hidden in a cellar. Once the drunk was in place, he proceeded to erect a wall of brick closing him in. The plot twist was that the drunk really did find Amontillado and was talking with the murderer as the wall was going up, saying that he had found and was drinking the wine. At the end, years later, the murderer sees that the wall is still up and wonders about the wine. Now, indeed, how would you adapt it to modern life, centered on an amateur mechanic too cheap to buy a lift?. Well, for starters and centering on cheap, one would replace the wine with beer. The rest of the story would involve covering over the pit, but how to keep Bubba alive and talking until the work is finished would have to be resolved. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
Two points. The north koreans are now purchasing Porsche, having moved on from BMW. the school #2 boys attends just let us know they are in lock down. Seems some men in a dark sedan decided to open fire on an unarmed fellow. He was transported to hospital in critical condition. There were a pair of other elementary schools that are in lock down. I checked the local news app and was very surprised to find the suspects were noted as being african americans. They never reveal the race of criminals around Seattle. We are supposed to assume all the criminals are of a generic background, so you can not know what perps are doing what sort of illegal things by race. clay On Sep 10, 2013, at 9:55 AM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: So I was talking to my (then much younger and very PC) daughter and committed the unpardonable sin of saying that I bought some groceries at the Oriental Grocery...the actual name of the store. She demanded to know then how I would like being called an occidental. I honestly (missing the point entirely) told her I didn't give a crap. But seriously...if you want to describe an oriental (someone from the east, who is racially of a group consisting of Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Burmese etc.) and you use the term asian doesn't that term also include people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc; who are racially and culturally very different? When I read an account in the British news about some asian men being arrested for terrorist activities I can never figure out WTF they are talking about! SO is the PC version intended to blur those differences so as to make a statement that those differences are meaningless in the same way that the term partner can mean married people, people in a homosexual relationship or people working closely together in a business arrangement? Inquiring minds want to know! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:32 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers last i heard, asian is PC but oriental is not, but the rules change all the time. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
'Forgot to sign it - yes, 'tis I, 'tis I, 'tis I. WILTON - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers What happened to the terms for different races that I learned about many years ago in high school or college - Caucasian, Negroid, Mongoloid, etc.? Isn't it merely a statement of fact, not meant as anything denigrating? - Original Message - From: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers So I was talking to my (then much younger and very PC) daughter and committed the unpardonable sin of saying that I bought some groceries at the Oriental Grocery...the actual name of the store. She demanded to know then how I would like being called an occidental. I honestly (missing the point entirely) told her I didn't give a crap. But seriously...if you want to describe an oriental (someone from the east, who is racially of a group consisting of Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Burmese etc.) and you use the term asian doesn't that term also include people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc; who are racially and culturally very different? When I read an account in the British news about some asian men being arrested for terrorist activities I can never figure out WTF they are talking about! SO is the PC version intended to blur those differences so as to make a statement that those differences are meaningless in the same way that the term partner can mean married people, people in a homosexual relationship or people working closely together in a business arrangement? Inquiring minds want to know! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:32 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers last i heard, asian is PC but oriental is not, but the rules change all the time. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
A parent of one of my son's friends is from Dutch Guiana. She refers to people by the color of their skin. When I asked her about this, she said it was a common way in her previous culture to identify people, as in a black man or a yellow woman. She emphasized that it was never done in a disparaging manner, it was just a way to identify a characteristic. She found it strange that our culture could potentially find it inappropriate. I told her it was more a matter of societal norms and nothing else... Dan Sent from my iPad On Sep 10, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Neither is particularly descriptive in a useful way, like african American. I know a guy from South Africa, he's white as me but looks a bit like a hobbit. He proudly declares that he's african American and its true, he's a naturalized citizen. People say african American when they mean black. I don't understand why its okay to say white but not to say black. I find people of color insulting to those of us with changeable skin tone. I'm pretty dark right now, its been a good summer. Anyway, last I heard it Orientals are carpets. -Curt Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:54:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers Message-ID: 1378828447.85875.yahoomail...@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. ?Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? ? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
So if this works like other minorities then if you are Oriental or Asian you can refer to your peers as Chinks and still be politically correct? Mike Who hopes someone besides me gets the humor... On Sep 10, 2013 12:31 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: last i heard, asian is PC but oriental is not, but the rules change all the time. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
i lived in a county with 100,000 asians and it was indicated to me that oriental was not the preferred nomenclature, to quote a great sage of our times. but i personally don't care as i don't get involved in these sorts of PC things. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Oriental is fine. It means Korean or Japanese. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: last i heard, asian is PC but oriental is not, but the rules change all the time. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.buyeuroparts.com/* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Home garage lift (pit?)
Sounds like a great plot for a modern day Edgar Allen Poe story. The pit in the garage. On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:59 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I wouldn't feel comfortable in the brick-lined pit. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Home garage lift (pit?) WILTON wrote: 'Thought I saw a double row of bricks, but I'm still concerned about the walls eventually bulging inward. Already collecting water in sump. Maybe, the sump'll keep water table around the pit low enough to relieve lateral loads on the walls sufficiently. Everybody I know (ok, two people) uses 8x8x16 concrete block, hopefully with rebars and poured full of concrete. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
Sorry to hear you're having so much trouble, Bob. I'm still playing with the alternator? regulator? battery? problem in my '83 300D because I want to figure out why I, and many other people, are having fairly frequent problems. I've set up a bench test with a new shop battery (that's normally a backup for the burglar/fire alarm system) so I can test alternators and regulators. I still need to find out the size and type of charging light bulb, the 18 ohm resistor, and the diode in series with it; all of which are in the instrument cluster; in order to duplicate the charging system on the car. This part of the charging system is not intuitive, (See schematic from the shop manual sent separately), at least to me. One test that seems to be missing from the current FLAPS DIY protocol is specific gravity, and hence the state of charge, of the battery. It's messy and it's easy to get burned with battery acid, so FLAPS; Autozone and Advance at least; don't test specific gravity and will argue with you if you tell them the sp.gr. is off in one or more battery cells even though their handheld testers show that the battery is good. Instructions that come with new Bosch alternators say that battery must be fully charged before installation or the diodes can be damaged. Under the current methodology no one knows the state of their batteries charge because they don't test it's sp.gr. Could this be the reason some on the list have frequent regulator and/or alternator failures; they are throwing a heavy charging load on the new parts as soon as they're installed? Gary said that Bosch products are not what they used to be, so treating them gently may be especially necessary. From now on my first test will be specific gravity done with a real glass hydrometer (not the cheap plastic kind). If the readings in all the cells are close; no matter what the sp.gr./state of charge, the battery is probably okay. That's the way we did it with the old type batteries. The next step will be to charge the battery with my 10 amp. battery charger set on MANUAL; (automatic settings are useless on my charger); the cell covers off, and a disposable rag lying over the open cells in case the bubbling electrolyte splatters small amounts onto the top of the battery. After charging for an hour, I'll let the battery cool down and then re-check the cells sp.gr. in order to get an idea of how fast the battery is charging. I don't want to overcharge and damage the battery. If the sp.gr. reading are approximately the same in all cells after the battery is fully charged, I'll assume the battery is good and then install the new alternator and/or regulator; or test the charging voltage on those that are already installed. If a cell is down in the red range on the hydrometer and the other cells are in the green, I'll go back to the battery seller and demand a new battery after showing him/her the sp.gr. readings on the current battery. If the battery is good and the charging voltage is low, I'll replace the regulator and check the charging voltage again. If the charging voltage is still low, I'll replace the regulator. Good luck with solving your problems, Bob. Gerry . From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in the dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit... alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rain
And how, it rained hard for awhile there. I welded 40 sq inches into the Jetta yesterday. Had debated putting it off until this morning, glad I didn't! I got a parts order from my local CarQuest which reminds me I need to contact Dr. Fatty with an order of the stuff they couldn't get. They've got one guy thats very good with WorldPac and one that isn't so good. -Curt Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 11:38:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Rain Message-ID: 1378838313.42778.yahoomail...@web141504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Alles. I must not live right. Got my parts, went outside and now it is raining, geesh! ? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
Tim, Cannot imagine how frustrated you must be!! Did you test the Glow Plug Relay? the test procedures are in the WSM -- I can look it up and send it to you if you'd like -- with all the electrical draw you have it sure sounds like the GPR. I suggest you also use a analog Volt Meter to check for a short - disconnect the neg cable from battery - connect + of VM to the neg post and the - clip to the chassis so it gets a good ground -- if there's even a small short the needle will swing. Don't know why a Analog VM was said to work and to not use a DMM - but I did as suggested and it worked. You can disconnect things and watch the needle - when it drops to zero you have found the short. I am sure there are other methods but this one was easy for me to do and worked s described. YMMV. Let me know if you need the testing procedures for the GPR - it's pretty basic - I used a 12v test light. Good Luck LarryT 78 240D 91 300D On 9/10/2013 10:26 AM, Tim Crone wrote: This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in the dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit... alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?. When I bought my alternator, I needed it -that day-, so I went online, found a cheapo at the local Advance, and used the (at the time) $40 coupon. It has lasted for a couple years, though I haven't really driven that car much since July. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is Orientals a PC term ?
Technically... the term to De Nigrate .. or to be Denegrating is not politically correct.. the foundational history of that word is to compare someone of the n word status by action, deed, or intent... Have we really come this far? Grant... Who is Compassion Challenged with Political Correctness [Think on it.. it will come to you] On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: The internet is full of concepts and opinions. I couldn't stand it, so I went to one of the largest purveyors of opinion to see what they say http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orient So it certainly appears that it depends on what country you live in, and in our country, depends on what state you live in. My sister lives in California, and there it appears that some have significant bias toward anyone of Asian descent, no matter the name. AFAIK there is no bias here in that direction by anybody other than Aryan skinheads, who are just biased, period. It may even depend on what county you live in. In my county, since I am now the official expert on the term, both terms will be considered politically correct to describe anyone living on the left hand side of the time line to somewhere right of Iraq. Asian will be considered a more proper term. However no one will scorn Oriental, since it's in frequent use by the old timers here. And absolutely nobody will discuss the actual path of the Orient Express. Oriental is fine. It means Korean or Japanese. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dr. Strangelove again
You have to suspend disbelief when watching movies --- On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:57 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Zackly. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dr. Strangelove again there's no way that Maj. Kong or anybody could get up onto or straddle a bomb in the bomb bay of a B-52. More movie magic. ;) We try not to let pesky reality get in the way of a good story! That is _the_ iconic scene from that movie. (But not my favorite part.) -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
Oriental is fine. It means Korean or Japanese. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: last i heard, asian is PC but oriental is not, but the rules change all the time. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.buyeuroparts.com/* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Home garage lift (pit?)
Sounds like a great plot for a modern day Edgar Allen Poe story. The pit in the garage. Bricks in a hole? I'm thinking Amontillado, not pendulum. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
But they are not a carpet. That is racist to say a middle eastern rug is oriental. If the thing is made in china, it can be oriental. clay On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Neither is particularly descriptive in a useful way, like african American. I know a guy from South Africa, he's white as me but looks a bit like a hobbit. He proudly declares that he's african American and its true, he's a naturalized citizen. People say african American when they mean black. I don't understand why its okay to say white but not to say black. I find people of color insulting to those of us with changeable skin tone. I'm pretty dark right now, its been a good summer. Anyway, last I heard it Orientals are carpets. -Curt Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:54:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers Message-ID: 1378828447.85875.yahoomail...@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. ?Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? ? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paatz.
you are missing the whole point of marketing. it;'s not about parts. it's about a lifestyle. young! sexy! on the go! On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote: Um. Gary's parts make me feel sexy? Not! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paatz. you left out how sexy they make you feel O ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
my daughter informed me with great delight that her bad teacher ended a dispute between 2 students by screaming niggers ain't bad in band at them. while i personally find this incredibly charming and have great respect for his taking command of the situation, i cannot help but lament the double standard by which he can say this all day every day yet if i white teacher so much as hinted at thinking such a though, he'd never work again. it's like a kind of terrorism, really btw, the marching band constantly chants: ice cold cool aid fried chicken fish n grits that keep me tight! again, can you imagine what would happen to a white teacher who taught this to the band and had them chant it often at every game? On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: So if this works like other minorities then if you are Oriental or Asian you can refer to your peers as Chinks and still be politically correct? Mike Who hopes someone besides me gets the humor... On Sep 10, 2013 12:31 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: last i heard, asian is PC but oriental is not, but the rules change all the time. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rain
True. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rain bet they are nice parts though On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote: Alles. I must not live right. Got my parts, went outside and now it is raining, geesh! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
I guess I could have described the driver differently. I might have used oriental or ??? but I was trying to be somewhat conservative and not appear to be too red necked. The fellow may have been Korean, Phillipino, etc. Hard to tell since I am A) not an expert on that sort of thing, and B) did not really get close enough to determine much more I blew my horn and waved my fist at him when I pulled up behind him at the next traffic light and he leaned out the window and waved his fist back at me. Randy On 10/09/2013 10:27 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: Yes, that is what he means, using the Eurocentric designation (orient rising sun east, that sort of thing, coming from the Age of Exploration and Empires and all that, along with a command of the Latin language and the associated etymology). But he is correct. A good friend of mine married a Chinese girl, very intelligent (she is an economics professor now, Hahvahd, MIT degrees), who grew up in New York City, no car. She learned to drive at like 22 or so, having had no need of a car up til then or any particular experience with them other than the occasional taxi, and really hated driving but had to in Houston to get anywhere (she did not want to ride the Ghetro). One day we got talking about that subject for some reason, she was all like OMG the Chinese are the worst drivers, me included! We determined, based on her ability to do extremely sophisticated econometric analysis, etc. that the reason for it was they don't grow up in a car/driving/riding culture (realizing that most are first or second generation) and so do not develop the awareness of subtle clues that are all around us and contribute to our ability to drive to varying degrees of wellness. Also recognizing many people have their heads up their posteriors, providing a similar result, oriental, chinee, or whatever. Kinda like being dropped into any culture or situation without that sort of conditioning, you will look like a fool, or worse. Her parents were off the boat, never drove a car. She was a city girl, never drove a car, so cars were like some magical thing to them, more or less. So to some extent it is a cultural attribute that is on display for all to observe. How one gauges that observation is subject to one's own subjective observations. Clay is also likely somewhat racisss but that does not really affect the quality of his subjective anecdotal observations in regards to the driving aspect. Also note that in China the chance of dying in a car crash is something like 10% for all drivers. That is, uh, high. --R On 9/10/13 10:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Do you mean Asians? On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:39 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I am not impressed with the driving ability of orientals. I am pretty sure the ones across the street are PLA spies. Been there two years and seem to get new high end cars every six months or so. First it was VW, then they moved to Benz, now it is BMW. I had a good snicker this past weekend when the fold down hard top was left down overnight while the massive thunder storm blew through. The red leather looked very unhappy with a few inches of water all over it. clay Who is glad you and the car are both doing well On Sep 9, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: I just about had the old 300D wiped out yesterday. My younger son and I were on our way to a big car show that is sponsored by the Fabulous 50's Ford Club here annually in early September. We were turning left in one of those double left turn setups, if you understand what I mean. We were southbound on McPhillips Street turning east onto Leila Avenue. There are 2 dedicated left turn lanes and I was in the outside lane. A fellow of Asian descent was in the other lane in a late model black SUV. The light turned in our favour and we both moved forward but as he turned the corner he drifted from the inside lane to the outside lane where I was. I don't know how I managed to dodge him and I don't think he even knew I was there. What a jacka**. My son's comment was, that insurance would likely pay me more than I might be able to sell the car for. Always a bright side I suppose as long as one does not get injured. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
asian is a particularly bad way to say it as it excludes most of asia from its designation. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Yes, that is what he means, using the Eurocentric designation (orient rising sun east, that sort of thing, coming from the Age of Exploration and Empires and all that, along with a command of the Latin language and the associated etymology). But he is correct. A good friend of mine married a Chinese girl, very intelligent (she is an economics professor now, Hahvahd, MIT degrees), who grew up in New York City, no car. She learned to drive at like 22 or so, having had no need of a car up til then or any particular experience with them other than the occasional taxi, and really hated driving but had to in Houston to get anywhere (she did not want to ride the Ghetro). One day we got talking about that subject for some reason, she was all like OMG the Chinese are the worst drivers, me included! We determined, based on her ability to do extremely sophisticated econometric analysis, etc. that the reason for it was they don't grow up in a car/driving/riding culture (realizing that most are first or second generation) and so do not develop the awareness of subtle clues that are all around us and contribute to our ability to drive to varying degrees of wellness. Also recognizing many people have their heads up their posteriors, providing a similar result, oriental, chinee, or whatever. Kinda like being dropped into any culture or situation without that sort of conditioning, you will look like a fool, or worse. Her parents were off the boat, never drove a car. She was a city girl, never drove a car, so cars were like some magical thing to them, more or less. So to some extent it is a cultural attribute that is on display for all to observe. How one gauges that observation is subject to one's own subjective observations. Clay is also likely somewhat racisss but that does not really affect the quality of his subjective anecdotal observations in regards to the driving aspect. Also note that in China the chance of dying in a car crash is something like 10% for all drivers. That is, uh, high. --R On 9/10/13 10:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Do you mean Asians? On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:39 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I am not impressed with the driving ability of orientals. I am pretty sure the ones across the street are PLA spies. Been there two years and seem to get new high end cars every six months or so. First it was VW, then they moved to Benz, now it is BMW. I had a good snicker this past weekend when the fold down hard top was left down overnight while the massive thunder storm blew through. The red leather looked very unhappy with a few inches of water all over it. clay Who is glad you and the car are both doing well On Sep 9, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: I just about had the old 300D wiped out yesterday. My younger son and I were on our way to a big car show that is sponsored by the Fabulous 50's Ford Club here annually in early September. We were turning left in one of those double left turn setups, if you understand what I mean. We were southbound on McPhillips Street turning east onto Leila Avenue. There are 2 dedicated left turn lanes and I was in the outside lane. A fellow of Asian descent was in the other lane in a late model black SUV. The light turned in our favour and we both moved forward but as he turned the corner he drifted from the inside lane to the outside lane where I was. I don't know how I managed to dodge him and I don't think he even knew I was there. What a jacka**. My son's comment was, that insurance would likely pay me more than I might be able to sell the car for. Always a bright side I suppose as long as one does not get injured. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
Yes. I have asked for his forgiveness. Bob R On Sep 10, 2013 9:34 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: did you apologize to robert bosch yet for accusing him of being the new george lucas? On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The light comes on (when starting) then goes out and does not come back on. Sounds like it's going to be the alternator. And, Gary, the initial issue was the ground cable. I made a new one from 2 ought cable and ran it directly from the negative post to the starter bolt. This alternator issue is simply Karma kicking me in the bean sack for whatever reason. Bob R On Sep 10, 2013 7:49 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Does the light turn on when you turn the key on? If that bulb is burned out it will not charge. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2013, at 7:53 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't understand why MB didn't put volt meters in their cars... I'll presume the light isn't on and say you need an alternator. If the light was on maybe a regulator would get it. I've NEVER gotten away with just a regulator (4 out of 5 of my MBs have needed alternators) and if I haven't replaced the battery I usually need multiple alternators until I get smart enough to replace the battery. -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:11:51 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D Message-ID: CAKOy= fuho3qrqcdus8jkmlqfoghnwurjxwr1y9fyrka2in0...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in the dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit... alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] SDL lives!
'87 300D cruise control working nicely now with amp cannibalized from SDL. 'Sure makes it a lot easier for me to drive. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spray on undercoat
my error. I saw demitri and meant Curt. clay On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:28 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: What I'm not good enough to reply to? My plan to coat the POR15 was a big part of why I was asking... -Curt Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:22:05 -0700 From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spray on undercoat Message-ID: 4fe1db0c-db17-485a-8f08-7a426cf57...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Demitri, make sure you paint the POR, as it breaks down when exposed to UV. Might not get much on the underside, but better safe. I put a light coat on my POR with cheapo rattle can even though it is under the carpeting, clay On Sep 10, 2013, at 3:16 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Another option is seam sealer in a can. Apply with a brush and then texture with the end of the bristles by dabbing. This can simulate the thick sprayed on look. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:59 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Anybody want to talk about cars? ;) So I did a bunch of welding on the Jetta, its cleaning up nicely but will need a helluva lot more. I may finally finish off the old computer I've been scavenging metal out of and move on to my recently replaced microwave. It'll be a hard move, computer metal is nice to work with. Interestingly where a 190D would rot right in the curve of the rocker the Jetta rots out the flat underneath, it sure is fun lying on your back welding over your head... Anyway I welded in metal and painted on POR15 which is probably good enough for the underside of the car but its got black trim on the front and rear down level with the rocker so I figure I'll paint the rockers black at that level all the way around. Fred and I had a discussion of spray on undercoat. He's saying 3M Schutz or Duplicolor UC103. The former is fairly expensive (around $16/can) in that its twice the latter. I've used some NAPA stuff before that was fair to middling but doesn't seem to stay on that great. Anybody else got a favorite? Its got to be something preloaded in cans, I'm not going to get into a sprayer and all that just for this project. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paatz.
that is exactly my point, but, alas, it is missed :( On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote: Gary. I'll have some of what you are smoking. Ironically. I'm 70, Been there and done most of that and have a pair of TDs to show for it. Marketing makes me tired. Bullsh*t, bullsh*t, bullsh*t etc. ad nauseum. The only time I'm On the go is when I need to pee. Engineering types ask, Bigger that what? Better by how much? Newer that what? how is it better? Gimme the figures, keep your BS! Lifestyle, my arse! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paatz. you are missing the whole point of marketing. it;'s not about parts. it's about a lifestyle. young! sexy! on the go! On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: Um. Gary's parts make me feel sexy? Not! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Spray on undercoat
Anybody want to talk about cars? ;) So I did a bunch of welding on the Jetta, its cleaning up nicely but will need a helluva lot more. I may finally finish off the old computer I've been scavenging metal out of and move on to my recently replaced microwave. It'll be a hard move, computer metal is nice to work with. Interestingly where a 190D would rot right in the curve of the rocker the Jetta rots out the flat underneath, it sure is fun lying on your back welding over your head... Anyway I welded in metal and painted on POR15 which is probably good enough for the underside of the car but its got black trim on the front and rear down level with the rocker so I figure I'll paint the rockers black at that level all the way around. Fred and I had a discussion of spray on undercoat. He's saying 3M Schutz or Duplicolor UC103. The former is fairly expensive (around $16/can) in that its twice the latter. I've used some NAPA stuff before that was fair to middling but doesn't seem to stay on that great. Anybody else got a favorite? Its got to be something preloaded in cans, I'm not going to get into a sprayer and all that just for this project. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL moron of the week, and it is only tuesday
So they think it's a four cylinder?? I'd go look at that car if it were on this coast. The price is right for here, and I love English Red. From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:23 PM Subject: [MBZ] CL moron of the week, and it is only tuesday http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/4045628292.html This just screams idiot who should not sell cars. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
Ot perhaps a legacy of racial bias, slavery etc. On Sep 10, 2013 4:41 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: A parent of one of my son's friends is from Dutch Guiana. She refers to people by the color of their skin. When I asked her about this, she said it was a common way in her previous culture to identify people, as in a black man or a yellow woman. She emphasized that it was never done in a disparaging manner, it was just a way to identify a characteristic. She found it strange that our culture could potentially find it inappropriate. I told her it was more a matter of societal norms and nothing else... Dan Sent from my iPad On Sep 10, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Neither is particularly descriptive in a useful way, like african American. I know a guy from South Africa, he's white as me but looks a bit like a hobbit. He proudly declares that he's african American and its true, he's a naturalized citizen. People say african American when they mean black. I don't understand why its okay to say white but not to say black. I find people of color insulting to those of us with changeable skin tone. I'm pretty dark right now, its been a good summer. Anyway, last I heard it Orientals are carpets. -Curt Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:54:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers Message-ID: 1378828447.85875.yahoomail...@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I wasn't passing judgment on his racism, or lack thereof, but merely the precision of his syntax. I am at a loss here. ?Is the term Oriental or Asian not politically correct any more? In my redneck area of the world, the two are the same, and neither is considered offensive or racist. Do I need to be re-educated? ? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pee Cee, not
I LOVE it! Give that student an A+! On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote: There's an annual contest at the Griffiths University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term. This year's term was.. 'political correctness'. The winning student wrote: Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end.' Fred Moir -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
My experience: 79 300TD - Bad diode. Replaced rectifier assembly twice (local purchase) and both failed in short order. Replaced alternator with Bosch reman (Circa 2000) with no subsequent failures when sold in 2007. 82 300TD - Wouldn't start in 2005. Replaced regulator (short brushes) and no subsequent problem. I never had a battery cause other problems but I check specific gravity and voltage and will charge with external 3-phase charger as part of troubleshooting. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:53 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D I don't understand why MB didn't put volt meters in their cars... I'll presume the light isn't on and say you need an alternator. If the light was on maybe a regulator would get it. I've NEVER gotten away with just a regulator (4 out of 5 of my MBs have needed alternators) and if I haven't replaced the battery I usually need multiple alternators until I get smart enough to replace the battery. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
Politically correct is an oxymoron. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D
Does the light turn on when you turn the key on? If that bulb is burned out it will not charge. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2013, at 7:53 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't understand why MB didn't put volt meters in their cars... I'll presume the light isn't on and say you need an alternator. If the light was on maybe a regulator would get it. I've NEVER gotten away with just a regulator (4 out of 5 of my MBs have needed alternators) and if I haven't replaced the battery I usually need multiple alternators until I get smart enough to replace the battery. -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:11:51 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] My Wretched 240D Message-ID: CAKOy=fuho3qrqcdus8jkmlqfoghnwurjxwr1y9fyrka2in0...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This thing wouldn't start today in the rain after I had been in the dentist chair for 90 minutes. AAA jumped me, drove straight to O'Reilly's to get a quick and dirty alternator check. Voltage check with engine running, 11.0 volts. Sowhich is more that likely the culprit... alternator or voltage regulator (which I replaced 6 months ago)?. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] How the dealer tried to screw me over
So I had to trailer my GL to the MB dealer yesterday. The reason being LF airmatic shock blew out all the sudden. This was done at the dealer on 9/14 last year, so it falls under the 1 years parts and labor warranty. I have also noticed the LR sometimes seems to sink when it is sitting at random, sometimes it does, sometimes it does not. Anyway, I figured dealer would try to get some money out of me somehow. So I just got the call, they are replacing the LF shock under warrant but said the LR is leaking all and would be $680 something or other to replace. They also said they hooked it up to the SDS system and found the compressor was running but was weak. I told them I would replace the rear air bag when I got it home and that the compressor is BRAND NEW and only has about 2k miles on it, and I ALSO have a SDS system and just tested the system 2 days ago and the compressor met specs very quickly, as a brand new compressor would. After they could tell I knew what I was talking about and I have all the same diagnostic equipment they had they dropped the issue. I hate dealers. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Drivers
I worked with a guy named Billy Goon who was Chinese. One day we were talking and he says he plays poker with a bunch of other chinamen. At that time, that term was derogatory from what I understood, so I say whoa you can't be saying that. He asks what I mean, I say you can't say chinamen as that is derogatory. He looks at me like I have 3 heads and asks why. So I explain best I could that some people decided that was bad. He is completely perplexed, and says, well I am from China, I am a man, so I am a chinaman just like you would be an americaman in China. On an amusing side note in that regard, my buddy used to work for the computer company Wang way back when. He was in a meeting with Mr. Wang and a bunch of other people, being presented to by some advertising firm who was pitching their services. They unveil a big rendering of a full-page newspaper ad that says in big letters WANG The Chink in IBM's Armor along with whatever graphics and copy. He says the whole room goes quiet, the guy is standing there like what did I just do, then it dawns on him... Mr. Wang says very quietly, Thank you, I think we have heard enough and gets up and walks out. True story. The eminent authority on language and social interactions Ms. Rachel Jeantel explained it quite well. Chinos! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jUTzivZNO8 --R On 9/10/13 12:36 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: So if this works like other minorities then if you are Oriental or Asian you can refer to your peers as Chinks and still be politically correct? Mike Who hopes someone besides me gets the humor... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
