Re: [MBZ] Alzheimer's Eye Test sent to me by a "friend"

[Hendrik and Fay]

Yup I got that oldtimers disease.

Henry
who was going to write something here but can't remember what it was

On 10/02/14 17:11, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:


Alzheimers Test:

This is a quick and easy test. Find out if you have Alzheimers.

ALZHEIMER'S EYE TEST

Count every "F" in the following text:

FINISHED FILES ARE THE RE
SULT OF YEARS OF SCIENTI
FIC STUDY COMBINED WITH
THE EXPERIENCE OF YEARS.
(SEE BELOW)

HOW MANY 'F's?

Count them again.

WRONG, THERE ARE 6 -- no joke..

READ IT AGAIN !

Really, go back and try to find the 6 'F's before you scroll down.








The Alzheimer brain cannot process "OF".

F INISHED F ILES ARE THE RE
SULT O F YEARS O F SCIENTI
F IC STUDY COMBINED WITH
THE EXPERIENCE O F YEARS.

Anyone who counts all 6 'F's on the first go is normal.

Three is positive for Alzheimers, four is borderline, five is almost 
normal.


Send this to your older friends.

Gerry



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[MBZ] Alzheimer's Eye Test sent to me by a "friend"

[arche...@embarqmail.com]

Alzheimers Test:

This is a quick and easy test. Find out if you have Alzheimers.

ALZHEIMER'S EYE TEST

Count every "F" in the following text:

FINISHED FILES ARE THE RE
SULT OF YEARS OF SCIENTI
FIC STUDY COMBINED WITH
THE EXPERIENCE OF YEARS.
(SEE BELOW)

HOW MANY 'F's?

Count them again.

WRONG, THERE ARE 6 -- no joke..

READ IT AGAIN !

Really, go back and try to find the 6 'F's before you scroll down.








The Alzheimer brain cannot process "OF".

F INISHED F ILES ARE THE RE
SULT O F YEARS O F SCIENTI
F IC STUDY COMBINED WITH
THE EXPERIENCE O F YEARS.

Anyone who counts all 6 'F's on the first go is normal.

Three is positive for Alzheimers, four is borderline, five is almost normal.

Send this to your older friends.
  


Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 silly tons of trimmed beef

[arche...@embarqmail.com]

I hope everyone trims.snip
Roger

OK
Gerry


Snip ..buy a couple of project Mercs to keep you busy.snip.
Hendrik



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Re: [MBZ] RIP, Frankenheap with golden antifreeze?

[Hendrik and Fay]

Yeah but you want payment in pounds of Gold.
Anyway Jim, harden up and tell the missus to get out there and get some 
bloody antifreeze and make sure it's the good stuff and while she is out 
to get some beer as well.


Hendrik
who is quickly sending this before fay sees it

On 10/02/14 14:00, Dieselhead wrote:
Attaboy!  especially the part about getting SWMBO to get more 
anitfrizz.


She just got home, no antifreeze.  'Too tired'.  So I guess my
choices are either go out again now, or drive the 560 SL again
tomorrow, in several inches of fresh snow.

-- Jim


Ugh!  Rats!

I have some, if you want to come over and get it.




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Re: [MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 silly tons of trimmed eyebrows

[Hendrik and Fay]

Hmmnh, might have to think about nose hair, the ears are still good I think.
Although the eyebrows tend to need a clipping now and then. Otherwise 
I'll start to look like John Howard, who had more hair above his eyed 
than on his head.


Hendrik
who is going for the wild bushman look

On 10/02/14 13:45, roger...@comcast.net wrote:

I just hope everyone stays with trimming there email responses and nothing else.
Best Wishes,
Roger



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Re: [MBZ] SDL MPG wuz: Jaime - Another Orphan bound for Oz!!

[Hendrik and Fay]

If I had 550 pounds of gold, I would buy something a little bit more 
fancy than a clapped out SDL.

550 pounds of gold is worth about 10 mill.

Hendrik
who will have to keep chugging along in the vergasser

On 10/02/14 13:30, Dieselhead wrote:

I'll give ya 550 if you pay shipping.

Hendrik
who is living in dreamland again


If yer talkin pounds of gold, its a deal!

Shoot, if your meant silver, Its still a deal!

Well, for your, if it is ounces of gold, its a deal!  Just grab some 
off'n that japanese hearse temple.



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Re: [MBZ] RIP, Frankenheap?

[Dieselhead]

Attaboy!  especially the part about getting SWMBO to get more anitfrizz.


She just got home, no antifreeze.  'Too tired'.  So I guess my
choices are either go out again now, or drive the 560 SL again
tomorrow, in several inches of fresh snow.

-- Jim


Ugh!  Rats!

I have some, if you want to come over and get it.

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Re: [MBZ] RIP, Frankenheap?

[WILTON]

ATTABOY in the making!

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Cathey" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] RIP, Frankenheap?



It's not nearly so nice out today, I waited a bit later, but no sun.
I went into the garage and searched more carefully for parts, and was
able to find the all-metal 115 grille I'd laid in for potential use on
the 250C.  I'm not sure I want to use it here, though.  I also found
the 116 grille I'd bought for cutting off some repair plastic.  That
turns out to bridge nicely across the radiator, pinned in place by the
grille surround mounting ears.  I might go that way for now, it looks
somewhat better than a gaping dark hole.  I did not find any spare
headlights, and I was reluctant to steal one off of the 250C.  I dug
some more, and found the spare glass lenses I'd bought for these
headlights.  They were flat-front, not the curved-fronts that were on
the car, but they were Hella.  I tried one, and it fits!  I used a
hammer to try to remove the bend from the trim ring, and I think it
worked.  There's a crack, as this is pot metal, but it doesn't look
too bad.  It looks a little funny compared to the other one, I may end
up putting on both flat lenses and retiring the (broken, and
glued-together) curved lens.  I had to replace the 4W city (parking)
light bulb, but the others were all still intact.  I put the headlight
back on the car, that helps the looks a lot.  The auxiliary fog lights
are not working, and there are no auxiliary driving lights, but the
car looks driveable.  I had a little coolant to pour in, but not
enough to restore the car to the road.  Jill is supposed to be
fetching me some.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] RIP, Frankenheap?

[Jim Cathey]

Attaboy!  especially the part about getting SWMBO to get more 
anitfrizz.


She just got home, no antifreeze.  'Too tired'.  So I guess my
choices are either go out again now, or drive the 560 SL again
tomorrow, in several inches of fresh snow.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 silly tons of trimmed beef

[rogerhga]

I just hope everyone stays with trimming there email responses and nothing 
else. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] SDL MPG wuz: Jaime - Another Orphan bound for Oz!!

[Dieselhead]

I'll give ya 550 if you pay shipping.

Hendrik
who is living in dreamland again


If yer talkin pounds of gold, its a deal!

Shoot, if your meant silver, Its still a deal!

Well, for your, if it is ounces of gold, its a deal!  Just grab some 
off'n that japanese hearse temple.


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes C3 Star Diagnostic System

[Dan Penoff]

If you do a search on Alibaba you'll find probably 200 different companies 
offering the system in various forms.  All mainland Chinese automotive 
electronic manufacturers.

So much for Taiwan making all the knockoff stuff...

Dan


On Feb 9, 2014, at 7:09 PM, John Reames wrote:

> A few years back, they were going for $1100...
> 
> Some of them even have acterna silkscreened onto the internal PCB's...
> 
> Go figure.
> 
> I understand that the ones that are rs485 out and have an adapter cable to 
> rs232 are supposedly more stable.
> 
> It certainly doesn't take many uses of it to break even with respect to 
> having a dealer pull codes/perform resets...
> 
> 
> 
> --
> John W Reames
> jream...@verizon.net
> Home: +14106646986
> Mobile: +14437915905
> 


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Re: [MBZ] SDL MPG wuz: Jaime - Another Orphan bound for Oz!!

[Hendrik and Fay]

I'll give ya 550 if you pay shipping.

Hendrik
who is living in dreamland again

On 10/02/14 12:58, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Maybe

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 9, 2014, at 8:15 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

Want yours back?  I need to sell it sometime.



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Re: [MBZ] SDL MPG wuz: Jaime - Another Orphan!!

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Maybe

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2014, at 8:15 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Want yours back?  I need to sell it sometime.
> 
>> Speaking of SDLs I really miss having one I can drive.
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Re: [MBZ] SDL MPG wuz: Jaime - Another Orphan!!

[Dieselhead]

Want yours back?  I need to sell it sometime.


Speaking of SDLs I really miss having one I can drive.


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Re: [MBZ] 300SD, Ferrari. and Suburban brake question

[Dieselhead]

Gorgeous day today, 60F+ so I got the boy's 300SD sorted and washed 
and plated and it is back on the road for mama as the girl took her 
300SD.  Runs well, a few niggles to deal with.


I was doing some test ride to make sure it was running OK and went 
up the road to a small shopping center and a Ferrari transporter was 
pulling into the lot, from central Florida Ferrari.  I drove around 
a bit and came back and they had unloaded a maroon Ferrari, I don't 
know what model, I guess the newest one.  It was gorgeous.  The 
transporter had another inside with the front end smashed and 4 
others back in there too.  The Ferrari dude looked quite happy, had 
some of his posse with him.  He looked vaguely like Ralph Lipshitz 
(Lauren) but it wasn' t Ralphie.


I replaced the rear rotors and pads on the Suburban, one set of pads 
had plum woe out and metal on metal was Not Good.  That side was 
extremely difficult to get the pads and caliper back on --too tight 
--, and during my drive to bed them in a bit it is very clearly 
dragging and stinking like crazy and hot.  I could spin the wheel 
but it was hard, so I am thinking it just needs to wear down the 
pads a bit?  I had fully compressed the pistons so not sure what the 
problem was.  The other one went on fine with a bit of clearance, 
both rotors appear to be the same but I am thinking I should measure 
them and make sure the one is the proper thickness.  Any ideas?


--R


bad hose or bad abs?

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Re: [MBZ] RIP, Frankenheap?

[Dieselhead]

It's not nearly so nice out today, I waited a bit later, but no sun.
I went into the garage and searched more carefully for parts, and was
able to find the all-metal 115 grille I'd laid in for potential use on
the 250C.  I'm not sure I want to use it here, though.  I also found
the 116 grille I'd bought for cutting off some repair plastic.  That
turns out to bridge nicely across the radiator, pinned in place by the
grille surround mounting ears.  I might go that way for now, it looks
somewhat better than a gaping dark hole.  I did not find any spare
headlights, and I was reluctant to steal one off of the 250C.  I dug
some more, and found the spare glass lenses I'd bought for these
headlights.  They were flat-front, not the curved-fronts that were on
the car, but they were Hella.  I tried one, and it fits!  I used a
hammer to try to remove the bend from the trim ring, and I think it
worked.  There's a crack, as this is pot metal, but it doesn't look
too bad.  It looks a little funny compared to the other one, I may end
up putting on both flat lenses and retiring the (broken, and
glued-together) curved lens.  I had to replace the 4W city (parking)
light bulb, but the others were all still intact.  I put the headlight
back on the car, that helps the looks a lot.  The auxiliary fog lights
are not working, and there are no auxiliary driving lights, but the
car looks driveable.  I had a little coolant to pour in, but not
enough to restore the car to the road.  Jill is supposed to be
fetching me some.

-- Jim


Attaboy!  especially the part about getting SWMBO to get more anitfrizz.

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Re: [MBZ] SDL MPG wuz: Jaime - Another Orphan!!

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Speaking of SDLs I really miss having one I can drive.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2014, at 7:52 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I've had 4 SDLs, and you would never know they are the same engine. The first 
> ran great and had been well maintained by a radio personality in 
> Indianapolis.  It was in the 22-23 range.  The second was not as high 
> performance, and had been owned for years by an elderly couple.  When I got 
> it the tube from the intake manifold to the left fender was blocked, 
> effectively eliminating the turbo. After I blew that out, and we ran it on a 
> few 400-500 mile trips, it ran well, but not as high performance as the 
> first.  It got 27-28 MPG.  We had them both at the same time for several 
> years.
> 
> Third is probably somewhere in between for mileage and performance. fourth is 
> a dog.  I think it needs the alda worked on, and the turbo line is clear.
> 
> I think the first was tuned for performance by real OM603 specialists. I 
> think the second was mostly neglected, but had been dealer serviced prior to 
> the old folks getting too old.
> 
> Third had a recent rebuilt IP, but was far out of time.   The third was 
> obviously screwed up.  The 4th was neglected for years.
> 
> As usual, YMMV
> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2014 8:39 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I remember mine as ~ 28 mpg.
>> 
>> My records say the 300SDL got 22-25.  All in town, and mostly short trips
>> at that.  It never felt underpowered to me.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Vitamin B-12

[Dieselhead]

Gary wrote:

 people are morons.


People?
No, ME - I'm MORON.
At least that is what you tell me...
mao




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[MBZ] SDL MPG wuz: Jaime - Another Orphan!!

[Dieselhead]

I've had 4 SDLs, and you would never know they are the same engine. 
The first ran great and had been well maintained by a radio 
personality in Indianapolis.  It was in the 22-23 range.  The second 
was not as high performance, and had been owned for years by an 
elderly couple.  When I got it the tube from the intake manifold to 
the left fender was blocked, effectively eliminating the turbo. 
After I blew that out, and we ran it on a few 400-500 mile trips, it 
ran well, but not as high performance as the first.  It got 27-28 
MPG.  We had them both at the same time for several years.


Third is probably somewhere in between for mileage and performance. 
fourth is a dog.  I think it needs the alda worked on, and the turbo 
line is clear.


I think the first was tuned for performance by real OM603 
specialists. I think the second was mostly neglected, but had been 
dealer serviced prior to the old folks getting too old.


Third had a recent rebuilt IP, but was far out of time.   The third 
was obviously screwed up.  The 4th was neglected for years.


As usual, YMMV


On Feb 8, 2014 8:39 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:


 I remember mine as ~ 28 mpg.


My records say the 300SDL got 22-25.  All in town, and mostly short trips
at that.  It never felt underpowered to me.

Best,
Tim


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Re: [MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 silly tons of trimmed beef

[Hendrik and Fay]

Better yet, go and buy a couple of project Mercs to keep you busy, 
pretty soon you'll have no time for trimming and silly lines.


Hendrik
who aims to leave stuff in a message so people can possibly follow what 
is being said by whom but does trim some stuff when it gets too long and 
into the beef


On 10/02/14 10:33, Michael Canfield wrote:

On Feb 9, 2014 6:48 PM,  wrote:

Mike,
Thank you for trimming. And I hope you weren't talking about personal

grooming habits. Ooo..

Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale

Roger,
   You're welcome.

Guess the other is just gonna have to be your guess.

Mike
Who is a little slow but does catch on

Wait, Hendrick, I am trimming and putting silly lines under my name.

I think I need to work on my Benz...confusion is setting in.



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Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Gary Hurst]

that's just the old school ATF in a PS bottle.  i'd happily use it in a W124


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Larry T  wrote:

> Hi All,
> I have a liter of Hydraulic Fluid I bought either from Rusty or the MB
> dealer several years ago.  It's  FEBI (Bilstein) # 08972 and it says it is
> to be used for Specs;
> MB 236.3,
> Dexron II,
> Voith 55-6335, (Standard Drain) &
> ZF TE - ML 09, 11, 14A, 03D, 04D & 17k.
>
> Does anyone know if this is the appropriate fluid to use in the Power
> Steering Reservoir of my 1991 300D 2.5T W124?   My present fluid looks
> pretty dark and I'd like to replace the filter and fluid.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> LarryT
> 78 240D
> 91 300D
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[MBZ] Power Steering Fluid

[Larry T]

Hi All,
I have a liter of Hydraulic Fluid I bought either from Rusty or the 
MB dealer several years ago.  It's  FEBI (Bilstein) # 08972 and it says 
it is to be used for Specs;

MB 236.3,
Dexron II,
Voith 55-6335, (Standard Drain) &
ZF TE - ML 09, 11, 14A, 03D, 04D & 17k.

Does anyone know if this is the appropriate fluid to use in the 
Power Steering Reservoir of my 1991 300D 2.5T W124?   My present fluid 
looks pretty dark and I'd like to replace the filter and fluid.


Thanks!

--
Sincerely,
LarryT
78 240D
91 300D

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Re: [MBZ] 190D to 240D finnie to whatever 250E Pontoon

[Hendrik and Fay]

I was making the point that this was not some backwater hick dropping a 
small block chevy into a pinto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJMHCcSEb6o
Rather a well thought out, engineered and approved upgrade to an old Merc.

Actually I am just thinking, are there any decent American designed 
chassis along the lines of the 201, that could be the basis for taking 
old classics and putting them on the new chassis.
Could be a reality TV show right there, turn that barge into a sharp 
performer.

I suppose the Chrysler 300 might be a contender.

Hendrik
whoever...

On 10/02/14 03:11, Rich Thomas wrote:

whatever...

--R


On 2/8/14 8:09 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:
If you read the article carefully, you'll notice that he put the body 
shell onto the chassis of a 201.

That's a pile more work than just dropping in an engine.

Hendrik
who thinks that the 201 is one of the best handling cars MB built 
that is cheap


On 09/02/14 02:10, Rich Thomas wrote:
That is the sort of thing that would be a hoot to do. Put a new 
engine/drivetrain/brakes and such in some clapped-out old chassis 
and have loads of fun.  That is a really nice job though.


--R 


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Re: [MBZ] Bluetooth OBD-II scanners

[Dan Penoff]

In my search for OBDII dongles, I found that the WiFi ones were less 
troublesome as far as connectivity.  At least that seemed to be a common issue 
for the BT ones I looked at.

I bought am ELM 327 model and it has worked flawlessly in my R129 with my iPad.

Dan


On Feb 9, 2014, at 7:38 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> I see a lot of them for $10-20 on Amazon.
> Any reason to pick one in particular?
> Would be using it with a laptop now, maybe Android later.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 190D to 240D finnie to 250E Pontoon

[Hendrik and Fay]

Yes I did read that (even though it is written in that horrible white on 
black background rubbish, why do people still do that and why is it not 
banned?).
This is why construction cost including labour was 185k, my assumption 
was that they are talking Euros and not pounds or dollars. Lets say he 
charges 50 euro an hour, that's 125k. That leaves 60k for parts, two 
damaged 201 and a pontoon, plus bits and pieces.
My round about question was if he would get his money back on this, or 
was it a labour of love.
The answer is no, I don't think anyone would cough up 185k for a go fast 
pontoon, my guess is 20-30k euro but there are signs of the 'classic' 
market in Europe being on the up, so there may be a keen buyer out there.


Hendrik
who readies Engrish long time for you

On 09/02/14 15:19, Craig wrote:

On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 12:11:12 +1030 Hendrik and Fay 
wrote:


This would have to be put under the 'because I could' section, as I
assume the cost of construction was 185k Euro beans. 185k Euros buys a
lot of new car in Europe and elsewhere.

Except that he said that his 2500 hours of spare time was included in the
185k price (I presume you read English, too.)



Market value for a 'modernised' pontoon?

As a well executed one-off? Whatever a buyer will pay.


Craig




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Re: [MBZ] RIP, Frankenheap?

[Jim Cathey]

It's not nearly so nice out today, I waited a bit later, but no sun.
I went into the garage and searched more carefully for parts, and was
able to find the all-metal 115 grille I'd laid in for potential use on
the 250C.  I'm not sure I want to use it here, though.  I also found
the 116 grille I'd bought for cutting off some repair plastic.  That
turns out to bridge nicely across the radiator, pinned in place by the
grille surround mounting ears.  I might go that way for now, it looks
somewhat better than a gaping dark hole.  I did not find any spare
headlights, and I was reluctant to steal one off of the 250C.  I dug
some more, and found the spare glass lenses I'd bought for these
headlights.  They were flat-front, not the curved-fronts that were on
the car, but they were Hella.  I tried one, and it fits!  I used a
hammer to try to remove the bend from the trim ring, and I think it
worked.  There's a crack, as this is pot metal, but it doesn't look
too bad.  It looks a little funny compared to the other one, I may end
up putting on both flat lenses and retiring the (broken, and
glued-together) curved lens.  I had to replace the 4W city (parking)
light bulb, but the others were all still intact.  I put the headlight
back on the car, that helps the looks a lot.  The auxiliary fog lights
are not working, and there are no auxiliary driving lights, but the
car looks driveable.  I had a little coolant to pour in, but not
enough to restore the car to the road.  Jill is supposed to be
fetching me some.

-- Jim



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[MBZ] Bluetooth OBD-II scanners

[Mitch Haley]

I see a lot of them for $10-20 on Amazon.
Any reason to pick one in particular?
Would be using it with a laptop now, maybe Android later.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes C3 Star Diagnostic System

[John Reames]

A few years back, they were going for $1100...

Some of them even have acterna silkscreened onto the internal PCB's...

Go figure.

I understand that the ones that are rs485 out and have an adapter cable to 
rs232 are supposedly more stable.

It certainly doesn't take many uses of it to break even with respect to having 
a dealer pull codes/perform resets...



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On Feb 9, 2014, at 17:49, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> No laptop, just the software on an external hard drive.  I have two older 
> laptops running XP that have serial ports,  so I'm covered there.
> 
> I can justify $300 for something that will do diagnostics, reset codes and 
> access the WIS and EPC for both of my cars.  A couple of resets and I'm 
> already ahead of the game, considering what the dealer charges for 
> diagnostics.
> 
> I'll report back as soon as I get it and have it up and running.
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Feb 9, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> 
>> That's a heck of a lot cheaper than I bought mine for
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Stuck bolt removers

[Mitch Haley]

Larry T wrote:
DO you know what size is in the 5 pc set of either the 394001 or the 
394002?  I couldn't find that in the specs/description...


394001 has 3/8,7/16-11mm,1/2,9/16-14mm, and 5/8-16mm in a nice molded case, 
which also has storage space for the 394002 expansion set of 
5/16-8mm,10mm,13mm,11/16,and 3/4-19mm.


So by buying both kits, you get to use a coupon for $50 orders and you get a 
good range all in one case.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 tons of contaminated bee

[Michael Canfield]

On Feb 9, 2014 6:48 PM,  wrote:
>
> Mike,
> Thank you for trimming. And I hope you weren't talking about personal
grooming habits. Ooo..
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
> Roger Hale

Roger,
  You're welcome.

Guess the other is just gonna have to be your guess.

Mike
Who is a little slow but does catch on

Wait, Hendrick, I am trimming and putting silly lines under my name.

I think I need to work on my Benz...confusion is setting in.
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Re: [MBZ] Stuck bolt removers

[Larry T]

DO you know what size is in the 5 pc set of either the 394001 or the 
394002?  I couldn't find that in the specs/description...


Sincerely,
Larry

On 1/15/2014 3:13 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
To help with the stuck line nuts on my S210's rusted out hydraulic 
line, I bought Irwin bolt remover sets 394001 & 394002 at FLAPS 
(Advance) with a 35% discount code (WD3) for about $35.


I stuck the 7/16" remover on a ratchet, and spun the nut right out of 
the tee.


http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_bolt-out-with-case-irwin_9010233-p?searchTerm=394001 

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_expansion-5-pc-set-pliers-irwin_9010350-p?searchTerm=394002 




I guess I don't have to buy the Klann:
http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_universal-1-2-drive-stud-extractor-klann-tools_25980623-p?searchTerm=extractor 



Or even the Mayhew:
http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_stud-extractor-for-3-8-impact-wrench-mayhew_22980840-p?searchTerm=extractor 



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Re: [MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 tons of contaminated bee

[rogerhga]

Mike, 
Thank you for trimming. And I hope you weren't talking about personal grooming 
habits. Ooo.. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] 300SD, Ferrari. and Suburban brake question

[G Mann]

I'm betting that wheel has a stuck/dragging caliper and that is why it was
metal to metal.. and where it's headed again...

Consider that. You may want to go back into that wheel for a rework..


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Gorgeous day today, 60F+ so I got the boy's 300SD sorted and washed and
> plated and it is back on the road for mama as the girl took her 300SD.
>  Runs well, a few niggles to deal with.
>
> I was doing some test ride to make sure it was running OK and went up the
> road to a small shopping center and a Ferrari transporter was pulling into
> the lot, from central Florida Ferrari.  I drove around a bit and came back
> and they had unloaded a maroon Ferrari, I don't know what model, I guess
> the newest one.  It was gorgeous.  The transporter had another inside with
> the front end smashed and 4 others back in there too.  The Ferrari dude
> looked quite happy, had some of his posse with him.  He looked vaguely like
> Ralph Lipshitz (Lauren) but it wasn' t Ralphie.
>
> I replaced the rear rotors and pads on the Suburban, one set of pads had
> plum woe out and metal on metal was Not Good.  That side was extremely
> difficult to get the pads and caliper back on --too tight --, and during my
> drive to bed them in a bit it is very clearly dragging and stinking like
> crazy and hot.  I could spin the wheel but it was hard, so I am thinking it
> just needs to wear down the pads a bit?  I had fully compressed the pistons
> so not sure what the problem was.  The other one went on fine with a bit of
> clearance, both rotors appear to be the same but I am thinking I should
> measure them and make sure the one is the proper thickness.  Any ideas?
>
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 tons of contaminated beef

[Michael Canfield]

Curt said:
>
>" Too much. You should have sent: "

I say; So, too lean is bad, like beef.

Mike
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[MBZ] 300SD, Ferrari. and Suburban brake question

[Rich Thomas]

Gorgeous day today, 60F+ so I got the boy's 300SD sorted and washed and 
plated and it is back on the road for mama as the girl took her 300SD.  
Runs well, a few niggles to deal with.


I was doing some test ride to make sure it was running OK and went up 
the road to a small shopping center and a Ferrari transporter was 
pulling into the lot, from central Florida Ferrari.  I drove around a 
bit and came back and they had unloaded a maroon Ferrari, I don't know 
what model, I guess the newest one.  It was gorgeous.  The transporter 
had another inside with the front end smashed and 4 others back in there 
too.  The Ferrari dude looked quite happy, had some of his posse with 
him.  He looked vaguely like Ralph Lipshitz (Lauren) but it wasn' t Ralphie.


I replaced the rear rotors and pads on the Suburban, one set of pads had 
plum woe out and metal on metal was Not Good.  That side was extremely 
difficult to get the pads and caliper back on --too tight --, and during 
my drive to bed them in a bit it is very clearly dragging and stinking 
like crazy and hot.  I could spin the wheel but it was hard, so I am 
thinking it just needs to wear down the pads a bit?  I had fully 
compressed the pistons so not sure what the problem was.  The other one 
went on fine with a bit of clearance, both rotors appear to be the same 
but I am thinking I should measure them and make sure the one is the 
proper thickness.  Any ideas?


--R


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[MBZ] Diesel Pump Timing

[Mountain Man]

Several weeks ago there was a thread about diesel pump timing and
arduino with pulse detector.  We have a pump timing device with pulse
detector but it is vintage and I didn't capture the name.  It might be
interesting to try on mercedes.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Vitamin B-12

[Mountain Man]

Gerry wrote:
> Some day I'd like to taste, and possibly drink, Kopi Luwak coffee.
>

For the price of that stuff you can purchase a 3-pedal mercedes... sometimes.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Vitamin B-12

[Mountain Man]

Curt wrote:
> HA! The place I had breakfast yesterday serves Intelligencia coffee...
>

Intelligentsia is from Chicago.  They do good coffee and good
espresso.  Have them pull espresso and have it without milk or sugar.
Some interesting taste comes out.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Vitamin B-12

[Mountain Man]

Gary wrote:
> people are morons.

People?
No, ME - I'm MORON.
At least that is what you tell me...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes C3 Star Diagnostic System

[Dan Penoff]

No laptop, just the software on an external hard drive.  I have two older 
laptops running XP that have serial ports,  so I'm covered there.

I can justify $300 for something that will do diagnostics, reset codes and 
access the WIS and EPC for both of my cars.  A couple of resets and I'm already 
ahead of the game, considering what the dealer charges for diagnostics.

I'll report back as soon as I get it and have it up and running.

Dan

On Feb 9, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> That's a heck of a lot cheaper than I bought mine for
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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[MBZ] TE gas hose (again)

[Peter Frederick]

My brother reported that the gas hose between the fuel pumps on my TE  
--niece is driving it since her 300E lost a headlight and fender to an  
idiot driver -- has split.  I replaced it a few years back, at least  
three, because it had become porous and was dripping fuel.  Either it  
was a defective hose or the aftermarket ones aren't any good.


I found a genuine MB replacement for $115, but they wanted three days  
shipping and we wanted to get the car going again, so I bought an  
aftermarket one.  Soft hose, I'd have thought any fuel line on the  
pressure side for those cars would be fairly hard, they hold 75 psi  
after all.


Anyway, FedEx was a day late due to the snow and it was 4F with the  
car stuck in the open carport at my brother's workplace, so it finally  
got replaced today.  Put a fuel filter in there at the same time, the  
old one had at least 40,000 miles on it.  I should have bought the  
real one at that rate -- I suspect I'll be needing one soon if this  
hose isn't any better than the one I put on last time.  Ended up with  
a huge split, probably three inches long just above the banjo fitting.


Waiting on a report on drivability, it's been somewhat cranky the last  
couple years.  My brother put new plugs in it, the Bosch Platinums I  
put in when I got it were fried, probably due to lean running -- I've  
had trouble getting the mixture right on it, it was messed with before  
I got it and I had a number of vacuum leaks.


At any rate, it's starting better and running again -- good thing  
because I'll need it later in the month to run over to St. Louis.  I  
don't trust the 300D on the highway until I get a new exhaust,  
turbocharger, and front seal in it.  Blows way too much oil at the  
current time to drive it on the interstate, and I'm not willing to put  
up with the noise from a blown exhaust, including the burned out  
coupler between the sections of the exhaust manifold.


Hopefully the dismal gas milage will improve without a fuel leak.

It's always something.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Jaime - Another Orphan!!

[Peter Frederick]

Yeah, but it doesn't go 800 miles between fillups either.

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Re: [MBZ] Jaime - Another Orphan!!

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well the 420 does feel like a diesel compared to a 560

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2014, at 3:25 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
> 
> I agree that the SDL is the one to get.  The 420 never felt powerful enough
> for me to warrant the extra two cylinders.  M103 powered 126s aren't so
> bad... not fast, but a good all around car.  I'd get one.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Tim Crone  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2014 8:39 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I remember mine as ~ 28 mpg.
>> 
>> My records say the 300SDL got 22-25.  All in town, and mostly short trips
>> at that.  It never felt underpowered to me.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes C3 Star Diagnostic System

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

That's a heck of a lot cheaper than I bought mine for

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
> Ordered one of these with the software on an external hard drive from a 
> company in mainland China off Alibaba today. They were highly rated and 
> traffic on eBay as well with good feedback.
> 
> Two days to build and 2-3 in transit via DHL. Should be here by the end of 
> the week.
> 
> $290 shipped. Not a bad deal, I thought. A number of people on BenzWorld have 
> this and they swear by it, especially for the 96 and later cars, as the OBDII 
> system won't do anything with a lot of the proprietary MB systems.
> 
> Case in point: because the PO was using the convertible top manually, the 
> system was pissed and logged all sorts of errors. While it's happy now from a 
> functional standpoint, the only way to clear the codes it's throwing is to 
> use the Star system, as the RST isn't part of OBDII.
> 
> I'm really looking forward to hooking this up to both of my cars and being 
> able to poke around.
> 
> Dan
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime - Another Orphan!!

[Peter Frederick]

Any W126 is a good car.  The 560's are gas hogs, but otherwise very  
very nice.  Best one of the bunch is the SDL as far as I'm concerned  
-- good performance, excellent milage.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Jaime - Another Orphan!!

[Jaime Kopchinski]

I agree that the SDL is the one to get.  The 420 never felt powerful enough
for me to warrant the extra two cylinders.  M103 powered 126s aren't so
bad... not fast, but a good all around car.  I'd get one.

Jaime



On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Tim Crone  wrote:

> On Feb 8, 2014 8:39 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:
> >
> > I remember mine as ~ 28 mpg.
>
> My records say the 300SDL got 22-25.  All in town, and mostly short trips
> at that.  It never felt underpowered to me.
>
> Best,
> Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime - Another Orphan!!

[Tim Crone]

On Feb 8, 2014 8:39 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:
>
> I remember mine as ~ 28 mpg.

My records say the 300SDL got 22-25.  All in town, and mostly short trips
at that.  It never felt underpowered to me.

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 tons of contaminated beef

[Craig]

On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 11:12:15 -0500 Michael Canfield 
wrote:

> There, I trimmed, is that "lean enough" to save bandwidth?

Too much. You should have sent:

> Well, kinda like a Snickers bar but bigger, slimier, and apparently not
> very satisfying.
> 
> Mike
> On Feb 9, 2014 11:04 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> wrote:
> 
> > Wtf are "beef bars"?

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Re: [MBZ] RIP, Frankenheap?

[clay]

I will go through my pile and see what I have on hand.  If nothing, I can snag 
something from the scrap yard.  maybe


clay

On Feb 9, 2014, at 6:53 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

>> I made a grill out of a drop-in light panel from a hanging
>> ceiling... Sprayed it to match the car color...
> 
> Clever, but too much work for the situation.  I have
> a 116 grille panel in the scrap pile, I cut pieces
> off of it to glue onto some other grille that had
> a bit of damage.  That'd probably be a decent base
> to build on.
> 
> The grille _surround_ is a problem, it's mangled.
> Maybe I could hammer it into shape again, but right
> now I'm focused on drivability, not beauty.  The
> headlight is a problem, I don't really want to
> steal one off the 250C.  I thought I had laid in
> a spare light or two from the junkyard, but my
> first cruise through the piles netted zip.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Vitamin B-12

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On 2/9/2014 2:37 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

Some day I'd like to taste, and possibly drink, Kopi Luwak coffee.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak


Send some green coffee beans to Andrew and have him put them in the 
cat's bowl.


Mitch.

ROFL!!!  Since his cats are exceptional, that might turn out to be 
exceptional  coffee.

Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Vitamin B-12

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Some day I'd like to taste, and possibly drink, Kopi Luwak coffee.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak


Send some green coffee beans to Andrew and have him put them in the cat's bowl.

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Re: [MBZ] Vitamin B-12

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Some day I'd like to taste, and possibly drink, Kopi Luwak coffee.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak

Gerry

 2/9/2014 11:06 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

I had dinner at an organic pizza place last night, build your own pizza
from good ingredients, nice place.
They've got one of those "million flavors" of coke machines. I made an
Arnold Palmer from the "zero percent juice" lemonade and real actual iced
tea. I should have skipped the lemonade, it tasted fake and of chemicals.

So I sat around and watched the zombies guzzling HFCS and chemicals and
pondered the nature of people who would seek out organic pizza (people were
checking on that "its organic right?") and then guzzle chemicals. It
baffles me.

-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] Veggies for cars WUZ:lentils are a vegan style food product

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Documentation?  If the Nat'l Geog researchers didn't find proof of the 
Georgians age, how did the people who claimed they were only in their 
70s?  Were the Russians and Central Americans also lying?

Gerry

On 2/9/2014 11:00 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Remember the hoopla about all those Georgia centenarians whose miraculous
diet and lifestyle kept them around for nearly forever?  On further
examination, it turns out that most of them were actually in their '70s.


On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 11:45 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com <
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Many years ago when food/vitamins were first being widely discussed,
National Geographic sent a team to several area of the world where many
people lived to be over 100; postulating that longevity was a marker of
good diet/lifestyle. They were looking for common denominators applicable
to all the areas they visited; especially in their diets.

There were few similarities among the diets regarding protein, fats, and
carbohydrates.  They were all over the place.  One subject drank about a
quart of home made wine every day.  Another sat in front of his house and
ate caramels all day.  Another was still smoking cigarettes at 100+ years.

What they found was little comfort to the burgeoning healthfood industry.
  The common denominators they did find were:
A calorie intake of about 1700 calories per day; far less than most
American diets.
An assumption of being a useful member of their communities, no matter
what their age.
A feeling of being "young" until they lost interest in sex, and an active
sex life before then.
A physically active life style.  One was still picking tea at 100+;
another was still making mud bricks, stomping the clay with his feet, every
day.  Examinations found evidence of all sorts of previous diseases the
oldsters never knew they had. For example, their circulatory systems were
in such good condition due to their physically active lifestyle (they
walked everywhere, never drove) that they had had heart attacks which they
thought were influenza or other passing diseases.
And what was most discouraging was that the centenaries all came from
families which lived very long lives.

Of course, that study has been forgotten and the hucksters are back
pushing their nostrums, and the food companies are pushing their processed
foods which are almost always loaded with salt and/or sugar.

I've looked for that article in Nat'l Geog online files with no success.
  If anyone can find it, I would love to have a copy since I've forgotten
much of the detail.

Thanks,
Gerry



On 2/8/2014 11:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


Go ahead, laugh all the way to the funeral home.


On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:25 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

  On Feb 7, 2014, at 7:09 PM, OK Don wrote:

   > Or to put it another way, one of my co-workers used to say "Salad is
what
   > food eats".



   On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Hendrik and Fay 
wrote:


Hendrik

   who only eats meat from vegetarian animals




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   "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775
   "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and
taxes."

> - Benjamin Franklin 1789

  I like that Don.

   "Salad is what food eats".
Or maybe "Food is self propelled at some stage of its life."

Certain plants can be used to make bioDiesel that is mighty tasty to my
Diesels.


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[MBZ] Mercedes C3 Star Diagnostic System

[Dan Penoff]

Ordered one of these with the software on an external hard drive from a company 
in mainland China off Alibaba today. They were highly rated and traffic on eBay 
as well with good feedback.

Two days to build and 2-3 in transit via DHL. Should be here by the end of the 
week.

$290 shipped. Not a bad deal, I thought. A number of people on BenzWorld have 
this and they swear by it, especially for the 96 and later cars, as the OBDII 
system won't do anything with a lot of the proprietary MB systems.

Case in point: because the PO was using the convertible top manually, the 
system was pissed and logged all sorts of errors. While it's happy now from a 
functional standpoint, the only way to clear the codes it's throwing is to use 
the Star system, as the RST isn't part of OBDII.

I'm really looking forward to hooking this up to both of my cars and being able 
to poke around.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] lentils are a Nimrata style food product

[Mitch Haley]

Rich Thomas wrote:
That's her name.  Nikki is some affectation. 


Like "Mitt", or "Joe".
IIRC, her parents were Indian Sikhs.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 tons of contaminated beef

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yup  :)


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> ROTFLMAO, Gary!
>
> Mike
> On Feb 9, 2014 11:29 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>
> > i just don't like the idea of possibly offending someone cause, y'know,
> > that's the sort of thing that keeps me up nights with worry
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Michael Canfield  > >wrote:
> >
> > > But Gary, I thought you were into well trimmed beef?  Ummm, I better
> stop
> > > now or I is gonna get banned.  Lol
> > >
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> > > On Feb 9, 2014 11:15 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > y'know, i'm not that interested in your personal grooming habits
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Michael Canfield <
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Re: [MBZ] Vitamin B-12

[Gary Hurst]

i like mcdonald's coffee as it's cheap and ok


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> HA! The place I had breakfast yesterday serves Intelligencia coffee (might
> stop down to Intelligencia in Venice this afternoon after I visit "The Last
> Bookstore") which is fine stuff and they charge a rather fine price for it.
> We're eating out on the patio (California you know) and the guy pours out
> maybe 1/4 of the cup to refill with soy milk of all the rotten things. Then
> proceeds to guzzle or as my dad would say "goozle" the stuff like he's
> drinking Dunkin swill. He repeated this three times. I was just walking
> away when he got his bill and realized what he'd paid (no free refills) for
> the coffee he'd poured on the ground.
>
> -Curt
> Black coffee please, unless its Dunkin swill or served over ice.
>
> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 11:06:16 -0500
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Re: [MBZ] Vitamin B-12

[Curt Raymond]

HA! The place I had breakfast yesterday serves Intelligencia coffee (might stop 
down to Intelligencia in Venice this afternoon after I visit "The Last 
Bookstore") which is fine stuff and they charge a rather fine price for it.
We're eating out on the patio (California you know) and the guy pours out maybe 
1/4 of the cup to refill with soy milk of all the rotten things. Then proceeds 
to guzzle or as my dad would say "goozle" the stuff like he's drinking Dunkin 
swill. He repeated this three times. I was just walking away when he got his 
bill and realized what he'd paid (no free refills) for the coffee he'd poured 
on the ground.

-Curt
Black coffee please, unless its Dunkin swill or served over ice.

Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 11:06:16 -0500
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Re: [MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 tons of contaminated beef

[Michael Canfield]

I will never learn.

Mike
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Re: [MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 tons of contaminated beef

[Michael Canfield]

ROTFLMAO, Gary!

Mike
On Feb 9, 2014 11:29 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:

> i just don't like the idea of possibly offending someone cause, y'know,
> that's the sort of thing that keeps me up nights with worry
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Michael Canfield  >wrote:
>
> > But Gary, I thought you were into well trimmed beef?  Ummm, I better stop
> > now or I is gonna get banned.  Lol
> >
> > Mike
> > On Feb 9, 2014 11:15 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
> >
> > > y'know, i'm not that interested in your personal grooming habits
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Michael Canfield  > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > There, I trimmed, is that "lean enough" to save bandwidth?
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] lentils are a Nimrata style food product

[Dieselhead]

That's her name.  Nikki is some affectation.  For some reason not 
clear her husband changed his name when they got married.


--R


Oh! you mean like barry sotero or willard romney!

marxist or socialist, but really no difference under any name.

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Re: [MBZ] lentils are a Nimrata style food product

[Rich Thomas]

That's her name.  Nikki is some affectation.  For some reason not clear 
her husband changed his name when they got married.


--R


On 2/8/14 7:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Nimrala?  Nicht verstehe.


On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:


Nimrata has a love/hate relationship with almost everyone.  The gov here
is fairly weak -- the legislature (and actually one or two of them)
controls most everything.  It was set up that way after the Late
Unpleasantness to make sure the darker among us did not get too much power.
  Nimrata kinda slid in, not having too much pigment and being at least a
Rinocrat, though one legislator proclaimed her a "raghead" until someone
told him those were not the moozlum rag version but Indian rags, so that
sorta calmed him down.  He figured then he could have a powwow with her.
  She did get a nice 9mm from her hubby for Christmas though, and figures
everyone should be able to carry.

Our former luvguv now congresscritter dropped in on my neighbor's OysterQ
last Sunday, Belen was not with him.  Everyone thought he said he was
hiking the Appalachian Trail but what he really said was he was liking some
Argentinian tail.

SC is just one comedy routine after another.

--R



On 2/8/14 11:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


Hey whatever happened to your rising star Gov Haley?


On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

  That is because it was for a governor and not an earl.

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Re: [MBZ] 190D to 240D finnie to 250E Pontoon

[Rich Thomas]

whatever...

--R


On 2/8/14 8:09 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:
If you read the article carefully, you'll notice that he put the body 
shell onto the chassis of a 201.

That's a pile more work than just dropping in an engine.

Hendrik
who thinks that the 201 is one of the best handling cars MB built that 
is cheap


On 09/02/14 02:10, Rich Thomas wrote:
That is the sort of thing that would be a hoot to do. Put a new 
engine/drivetrain/brakes and such in some clapped-out old chassis and 
have loads of fun.  That is a really nice job though.


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Re: [MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 tons of contaminated beef

[Mitch Haley]

Dieselhead wrote:
Sounds like some form of military contract to me.  Unheard of company 
processing tyson-like quantities shipped to only 4 states, 3 of which 
are in the south where the military likes to stay.


I didn't see 'dessicated hockey pucks' on the product list.

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Re: [MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 tons of contaminated beef

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i just don't like the idea of possibly offending someone cause, y'know,
that's the sort of thing that keeps me up nights with worry


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> But Gary, I thought you were into well trimmed beef?  Ummm, I better stop
> now or I is gonna get banned.  Lol
>
> Mike
> On Feb 9, 2014 11:15 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 tons of contaminated beef

[Dieselhead]

Sounds like some form of military contract to me.  Unheard of company 
processing tyson-like quantities shipped to only 4 states, 3 of which 
are in the south where the military likes to stay.




Wtf are "beef bars"?


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 2:54 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com <
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Rancho Feeding Corp of Petaluma, a California-based company, is
recalling 3,950 tons of beef bars because it used "diseased and
unsound animals", the USDA said. The beef, which also lacked proper
federal inspections, was produced between January 1 and January 7
and is unfit for human consumption. The meat was shipped to
California, Florida, Illinois and Texas, the department's Food
Safety and Inspection Service said in a statement.

 That's a "lot" of beef.
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[Dieselhead]

 lean enough

Mike


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Re: [MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 tons of contaminated beef

[Michael Canfield]

But Gary, I thought you were into well trimmed beef?  Ummm, I better stop
now or I is gonna get banned.  Lol

Mike
On Feb 9, 2014 11:15 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:

> y'know, i'm not that interested in your personal grooming habits
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Michael Canfield  >wrote:
>
> > There, I trimmed, is that "lean enough" to save bandwidth?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 tons of contaminated beef

[Gary Hurst]

y'know, i'm not that interested in your personal grooming habits


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> There, I trimmed, is that "lean enough" to save bandwidth?
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Re: [MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 tons of contaminated beef

[Michael Canfield]

There, I trimmed, is that "lean enough" to save bandwidth?

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Re: [MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 tons of contaminated beef

[Michael Canfield]

Well, kinda like a Snickers bar but bigger, slimier, and apparently not
very satisfying.

Mike
On Feb 9, 2014 11:04 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel"  wrote:

> Wtf are "beef bars"?
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 2:54 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com <
> arche...@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Rancho Feeding Corp of Petaluma, a California-based company, is
> >recalling 3,950 tons of beef bars because it used "diseased and
> >unsound animals", the USDA said. The beef, which also lacked proper
> >federal inspections, was produced between January 1 and January 7
> >and is unfit for human consumption. The meat was shipped to
> >California, Florida, Illinois and Texas, the department's Food
> >Safety and Inspection Service said in a statement.
> >
> > That's a "lot" of beef.
> > Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Ode to Breakfast

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Could easily substitute "bangers and mash" to the above lyrics without
missing a beat.


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That is great and hilarious!  I love it!  One of the best things about
> staying in the Baden-Powell House in London was the English breakfast of
> Bacon and eggs and bangers and toast and I can't remember what all else!
>  It was great!
>
> When I was 15, and a dark hole for food, i spent 2 weeks on the continent,
> from belch,  luxembourg to confederation helvetica to italia, monaco and
> back through france.  I had a hard time adjusting to coffee (or hot tea)
> and cold hard rolls for breakfast.
>
>
>  Default *Roger's Ode to Breakfast*
>> 
>> BACON AND EGGS
>>
>> NOW blest be the Briton, his beef and his beer,
>> And all the strong waters that keep him in cheer,
>> But blest beyond cattle and blest beyond kegs
>> Is the brave British breakfast of bacon and eggs-
>>
>>
>> Bacon and eggs,
>> Bacon and eggs;
>> Sing bacon,
>> Red bacon,
>> Red bacon and eggs!
>>
>> Thus armed and thus engined, well-shaven and gay,
>> We leap to our labours and conquer the day,
>> While paltry pale foreigners, meagre as moles,
>> Must crawl through the morning on coffee and rolls-
>>
>>
>> Coffee and rolls,
>> Barbarous rolls;
>> Sing coffee,
>> Black coffee,
>> Vile coffee and rolls!
>>
>> What wonder the Frenchman, blown out with new
>> bread, gesticulates oft and is light in the head !
>> Our perfect control of our arms and our legs
>> We owe to our ballast of bacon and eggs-
>>
>>
>> Bacon and eggs.
>> Unemotional eggs;
>> Sing bacon,
>> Fat bacon,
>> Brave bacon and eggs!
>>
>> What wonder that Fortune is careful to place
>> Her loveliest laurels on men of our race,
>> While sorrow is heaped upon Prussians and Poles
>> Who shame the glad morning with coffee and rolls-
>>
>> Coffee and rolls,
>> Ladylike rolls;
>> Sing coffee,
>> Pooh! coffee,
>> Black coffee and rolls!
>>
>> What wonder the Russian looks redly because
>> Our England, old England, is much what it.was!
>> We fight to the finish, we drink to the dregs
>> And dare to be Daniels on bacon and eggs-
>>
>>
>> Bacon and eggs,
>> Masculine eggs;
>> 'Sing bacon,
>> Bring bacon,
>> And fry me two eggs!
>>
>> But gross Europeans who constantly munch
>> Too little at breakfast, too freely at lunch
>> Sit sated in cafes, incapable souls,
>> And go to the devil on coffee and rolls-
>>
>>
>> Coffee and rolls,
>> Windy wet rolls;
>> At coffee
>> I'm scoffy,
>> I execrate rolls!
>>
>> O breakfast! O breakfast! The meal of my heart!
>> Bring porridge, bring sausage, bring fish for a start,
>> Bring kidneys and mushrooms and partridges' legs,
>> But let the foundation be bacon and eggs-
>>
>>
>> Bacon and eggs,
>> Bacon and eggs;
>> Bring Crisp bacon,
>> And let there be eggs!
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Re: [MBZ] Vitamin B-12

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Like adding Cremora to your shade grown organic coffee.


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> I had dinner at an organic pizza place last night, build your own pizza
> from good ingredients, nice place.
> They've got one of those "million flavors" of coke machines. I made an
> Arnold Palmer from the "zero percent juice" lemonade and real actual iced
> tea. I should have skipped the lemonade, it tasted fake and of chemicals.
>
> So I sat around and watched the zombies guzzling HFCS and chemicals and
> pondered the nature of people who would seek out organic pizza (people were
> checking on that "its organic right?") and then guzzle chemicals. It
> baffles me.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 20:14:32 -0600
> From: Mountain Man 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vitamin B-12
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Andrew wrote:
> > The whole point, it seems to me, is to find naturally grown foods that
> > satisfy a body's essential needs.
>
> That is totally true.
> Today I had a glass of Chocoriffic drink.  It has HFCS and not much
> fat and very little dairy product (close-dated markdown food is why I
> purchased it).  It was fundamentally unsatisfying.  Our body wants
> food, not junk, so our body will not sate until food not junk is
> consumed.  Eat fat, eat cholesterol, eat food, not chemicals and many
> problems do not happen.  Satisfy a body's essential needs is critical
> and until we get that correct, we have problems.
> Great point, Andrew.
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Re: [MBZ] Vitamin B-12

[Gary Hurst]

people are morons.  you need me to elaborate or is that clear enough on its
own?


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> I had dinner at an organic pizza place last night, build your own pizza
> from good ingredients, nice place.
> They've got one of those "million flavors" of coke machines. I made an
> Arnold Palmer from the "zero percent juice" lemonade and real actual iced
> tea. I should have skipped the lemonade, it tasted fake and of chemicals.
>
> So I sat around and watched the zombies guzzling HFCS and chemicals and
> pondered the nature of people who would seek out organic pizza (people were
> checking on that "its organic right?") and then guzzle chemicals. It
> baffles me.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 20:14:32 -0600
> From: Mountain Man 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vitamin B-12
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Andrew wrote:
> > The whole point, it seems to me, is to find naturally grown foods that
> > satisfy a body's essential needs.
>
> That is totally true.
> Today I had a glass of Chocoriffic drink.  It has HFCS and not much
> fat and very little dairy product (close-dated markdown food is why I
> purchased it).  It was fundamentally unsatisfying.  Our body wants
> food, not junk, so our body will not sate until food not junk is
> consumed.  Eat fat, eat cholesterol, eat food, not chemicals and many
> problems do not happen.  Satisfy a body's essential needs is critical
> and until we get that correct, we have problems.
> Great point, Andrew.
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Re: [MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 tons of contaminated beef

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Wtf are "beef bars"?


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 2:54 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com <
arche...@embarqmail.com> wrote:

>
>Rancho Feeding Corp of Petaluma, a California-based company, is
>recalling 3,950 tons of beef bars because it used "diseased and
>unsound animals", the USDA said. The beef, which also lacked proper
>federal inspections, was produced between January 1 and January 7
>and is unfit for human consumption. The meat was shipped to
>California, Florida, Illinois and Texas, the department's Food
>Safety and Inspection Service said in a statement.
>
> That's a "lot" of beef.
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Veggies for cars WUZ:lentils are a vegan style food product

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Remember the hoopla about all those Georgia centenarians whose miraculous
diet and lifestyle kept them around for nearly forever?  On further
examination, it turns out that most of them were actually in their '70s.


On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 11:45 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com <
arche...@embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Many years ago when food/vitamins were first being widely discussed,
> National Geographic sent a team to several area of the world where many
> people lived to be over 100; postulating that longevity was a marker of
> good diet/lifestyle. They were looking for common denominators applicable
> to all the areas they visited; especially in their diets.
>
> There were few similarities among the diets regarding protein, fats, and
> carbohydrates.  They were all over the place.  One subject drank about a
> quart of home made wine every day.  Another sat in front of his house and
> ate caramels all day.  Another was still smoking cigarettes at 100+ years.
>
> What they found was little comfort to the burgeoning healthfood industry.
>  The common denominators they did find were:
> A calorie intake of about 1700 calories per day; far less than most
> American diets.
> An assumption of being a useful member of their communities, no matter
> what their age.
> A feeling of being "young" until they lost interest in sex, and an active
> sex life before then.
> A physically active life style.  One was still picking tea at 100+;
> another was still making mud bricks, stomping the clay with his feet, every
> day.  Examinations found evidence of all sorts of previous diseases the
> oldsters never knew they had. For example, their circulatory systems were
> in such good condition due to their physically active lifestyle (they
> walked everywhere, never drove) that they had had heart attacks which they
> thought were influenza or other passing diseases.
> And what was most discouraging was that the centenaries all came from
> families which lived very long lives.
>
> Of course, that study has been forgotten and the hucksters are back
> pushing their nostrums, and the food companies are pushing their processed
> foods which are almost always loaded with salt and/or sugar.
>
> I've looked for that article in Nat'l Geog online files with no success.
>  If anyone can find it, I would love to have a copy since I've forgotten
> much of the detail.
>
> Thanks,
> Gerry
>
>
>
> On 2/8/2014 11:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Go ahead, laugh all the way to the funeral home.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:25 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  On Feb 7, 2014, at 7:09 PM, OK Don wrote:

   > Or to put it another way, one of my co-workers used to say "Salad is
 what
   > food eats".


>   On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Hendrik and Fay 
> wrote:
>
>
>Hendrik
>>   who only eats meat from vegetarian animals
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>   OK Don
>   "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>   safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775
>   "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and
> taxes."
>
>> - Benjamin Franklin 1789

  I like that Don.
>>>   "Salad is what food eats".
>>> Or maybe "Food is self propelled at some stage of its life."
>>>
>>> Certain plants can be used to make bioDiesel that is mighty tasty to my
>>> Diesels.
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Re: [MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 tons of contaminated beef

[Dieselhead]

Seems we place our trust and treasure with people and agencies and they let
us down... we die, they retire.. case closed..

Rant off:


Grant...


we die, they retire..on fat pensions; case closed..

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Re: [MBZ] Ode to Breakfast

[Dieselhead]

That is great and hilarious!  I love it!  One of the best things 
about staying in the Baden-Powell House in London was the English 
breakfast of Bacon and eggs and bangers and toast and I can't 
remember what all else!  It was great!


When I was 15, and a dark hole for food, i spent 2 weeks on the 
continent, from belch,  luxembourg to confederation helvetica to 
italia, monaco and back through france.  I had a hard time adjusting 
to coffee (or hot tea) and cold hard rolls for breakfast.




Default *Roger's Ode to Breakfast*

BACON AND EGGS

NOW blest be the Briton, his beef and his beer,
And all the strong waters that keep him in cheer,
But blest beyond cattle and blest beyond kegs
Is the brave British breakfast of bacon and eggs-

Bacon and eggs,
Bacon and eggs;
Sing bacon,
Red bacon,
Red bacon and eggs!

Thus armed and thus engined, well-shaven and gay,
We leap to our labours and conquer the day,
While paltry pale foreigners, meagre as moles,
Must crawl through the morning on coffee and rolls-

Coffee and rolls,
Barbarous rolls;
Sing coffee,
Black coffee,
Vile coffee and rolls!

What wonder the Frenchman, blown out with new
bread, gesticulates oft and is light in the head !
Our perfect control of our arms and our legs
We owe to our ballast of bacon and eggs-

Bacon and eggs.
Unemotional eggs;
Sing bacon,
Fat bacon,
Brave bacon and eggs!

What wonder that Fortune is careful to place
Her loveliest laurels on men of our race,
While sorrow is heaped upon Prussians and Poles
Who shame the glad morning with coffee and rolls-

Coffee and rolls,
Ladylike rolls;
Sing coffee,
Pooh! coffee,
Black coffee and rolls!

What wonder the Russian looks redly because
Our England, old England, is much what it.was!
We fight to the finish, we drink to the dregs
And dare to be Daniels on bacon and eggs-

Bacon and eggs,
Masculine eggs;
'Sing bacon,
Bring bacon,
And fry me two eggs!

But gross Europeans who constantly munch
Too little at breakfast, too freely at lunch
Sit sated in cafes, incapable souls,
And go to the devil on coffee and rolls-

Coffee and rolls,
Windy wet rolls;
At coffee
I'm scoffy,
I execrate rolls!

O breakfast! O breakfast! The meal of my heart!
Bring porridge, bring sausage, bring fish for a start,
Bring kidneys and mushrooms and partridges' legs,
But let the foundation be bacon and eggs-

Bacon and eggs,
Bacon and eggs;
Bring Crisp bacon,
And let there be eggs!

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Re: [MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 tons of contaminated beef

[G Mann]

One of my favorite quotes of Will Rogers:  "Thank God we don't get all the
government we pay for"

Seems to sort of sum up this kind of thing.  In the last 66 yrs I've never
yet seen a government agency or program that preformed to simple business
standards.

Here in Arizona, for example, the Governor just fired and closed the entire
Child Protective Agency and replaced it with an interim cabinet post until
the legislature can form a new version.  The Child Protective folks had
refused to investigate over 6000 cases of child abuse in past year.. seems
they just couldn't get organized while spending more than any other agency
for the number of staff.

Seems we place our trust and treasure with people and agencies and they let
us down... we die, they retire.. case closed..

Rant off:

All efforts to break or wear out my Mercedes have so far failed.. Clean
fuel, Clean air, Clean oil... they just keep on ticking along. [well..
klacka klacka along at least]

Grant...


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 7:30 AM,  wrote:

> My concern when I read stories like this is "where were the USDA
> inspectors BEFORE the product was shipped"? I know they can't be
> everywhere, but it seems they are always good at after the fact finger
> pointing, and yes, probably a big fine for their coffers. With all the IRS
> picking on C4 conservative groups, kinda makes you wonder if this company
> donated big to the RNC. But then, they are in CA, so probably not allowed.
> Before anyone gets their shorts in a bunch, I'm just posing the possible
> humorous, conspiracy side of this story :-)
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] RIP, Frankenheap?

[Dieselhead]

The grille _surround_ is a problem, it's mangled.
Maybe I could hammer it into shape again, but right
now I'm focused on drivability, not beauty.  The
headlight is a problem, I don't really want to
steal one off the 250C.  I thought I had laid in
a spare light or two from the junkyard, but my
first cruise through the piles netted zip.

-- Jim




clay doesn't have spares any more?

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Re: [MBZ] RIP, Frankenheap?

[Jim Cathey]

I made a grill out of a drop-in light panel from a hanging
ceiling... Sprayed it to match the car color...


Clever, but too much work for the situation.  I have
a 116 grille panel in the scrap pile, I cut pieces
off of it to glue onto some other grille that had
a bit of damage.  That'd probably be a decent base
to build on.

The grille _surround_ is a problem, it's mangled.
Maybe I could hammer it into shape again, but right
now I'm focused on drivability, not beauty.  The
headlight is a problem, I don't really want to
steal one off the 250C.  I thought I had laid in
a spare light or two from the junkyard, but my
first cruise through the piles netted zip.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT - bloody old computer

[Jim Cathey]

I wonder if this [Colossus] was a programmable computer and
if it could interface on the web today?


Yes it was programmable, but only via plugboard.  It
was not a stored-program computer but rather resembled
analog computers.

With only at most 10,000 logic elements (100 gates claimed),
no memory to speak of, and a high-speed input processing
capability of about 750 bits/second, you would find it
difficult to access in _any_ way today.

With some work you could perhaps make it into a peripheral
to a more standard computer, but I'm not sure what the point
would be, unless you needed an 8kW web-equipped space heater
with less calculating power than is found in the newer
computer's _keyboard_!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Vitamin B-12

[Curt Raymond]

I had dinner at an organic pizza place last night, build your own pizza from 
good ingredients, nice place.
They've got one of those "million flavors" of coke machines. I made an Arnold 
Palmer from the "zero percent juice" lemonade and real actual iced tea. I 
should have skipped the lemonade, it tasted fake and of chemicals.

So I sat around and watched the zombies guzzling HFCS and chemicals and 
pondered the nature of people who would seek out organic pizza (people were 
checking on that "its organic right?") and then guzzle chemicals. It baffles me.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 20:14:32 -0600
From: Mountain Man 
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Andrew wrote:
> The whole point, it seems to me, is to find naturally grown foods that
> satisfy a body's essential needs.

That is totally true.
Today I had a glass of Chocoriffic drink.  It has HFCS and not much
fat and very little dairy product (close-dated markdown food is why I
purchased it).  It was fundamentally unsatisfying.  Our body wants
food, not junk, so our body will not sate until food not junk is
consumed.  Eat fat, eat cholesterol, eat food, not chemicals and many
problems do not happen.  Satisfy a body's essential needs is critical
and until we get that correct, we have problems.
Great point, Andrew.
mao
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[MBZ] Ode to Breakfast

[arche...@embarqmail.com]

Default *Roger's Ode to Breakfast*

BACON AND EGGS

NOW blest be the Briton, his beef and his beer,
And all the strong waters that keep him in cheer,
But blest beyond cattle and blest beyond kegs
Is the brave British breakfast of bacon and eggs—

Bacon and eggs,
Bacon and eggs;
Sing bacon,
Red bacon,
Red bacon and eggs!

Thus armed and thus engined, well-shaven and gay,
We leap to our labours and conquer the day,
While paltry pale foreigners, meagre as moles,
Must crawl through the morning on coffee and rolls—

Coffee and rolls,
Barbarous rolls;
Sing coffee,
Black coffee,
Vile coffee and rolls!

What wonder the Frenchman, blown out with new
bread, gesticulates oft and is light in the head !
Our perfect control of our arms and our legs
We owe to our ballast of bacon and eggs—

Bacon and eggs.
Unemotional eggs;
Sing bacon,
Fat bacon,
Brave bacon and eggs!

What wonder that Fortune is careful to place
Her loveliest laurels on men of our race,
While sorrow is heaped upon Prussians and Poles
Who shame the glad morning with coffee and rolls-

Coffee and rolls,
Ladylike rolls;
Sing coffee,
Pooh! coffee,
Black coffee and rolls!

What wonder the Russian looks redly because
Our England, old England, is much what it.was!
We fight to the finish, we drink to the dregs
And dare to be Daniels on bacon and eggs—

Bacon and eggs,
Masculine eggs;
'Sing bacon,
Bring bacon,
And fry me two eggs!

But gross Europeans who constantly munch
Too little at breakfast, too freely at lunch
Sit sated in cafes, incapable souls,
And go to the devil on coffee and rolls—

Coffee and rolls,
Windy wet rolls;
At coffee
I'm scoffy,
I execrate rolls!

O breakfast! O breakfast! The meal of my heart!
Bring porridge, bring sausage, bring fish for a start,
Bring kidneys and mushrooms and partridges' legs,
But let the foundation be bacon and eggs—

Bacon and eggs,
Bacon and eggs;
Bring Crisp bacon,
And let there be eggs!

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[MBZ] US company recalls 4,000 tons of contaminated beef

[rogerhga]

My concern when I read stories like this is "where were the USDA inspectors 
BEFORE the product was shipped"? I know they can't be everywhere, but it seems 
they are always good at after the fact finger pointing, and yes, probably a big 
fine for their coffers. With all the IRS picking on C4 conservative groups, 
kinda makes you wonder if this company donated big to the RNC. But then, they 
are in CA, so probably not allowed. Before anyone gets their shorts in a bunch, 
I'm just posing the possible humorous, conspiracy side of this story :-) 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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