Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts
I installed new OEM on my 300D last year. They are indeed crap. I also bought a set of OEM for my 250S. They are crap as well. Lesson learned! Buy OE. They are worth it. Jon On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:01 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A friend is looking for motor and tranny mounts for his 78 240D. I'm hearing lately that the OEM are crap and that one should buy OE. Is there a particular OEM brand that is acceptable for this kind of part or must he bite the OE Mercedes bullet? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts
Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote: I installed new OEM on my 300D last year. They are indeed crap. I also bought a set of OEM for my 250S. They are crap as well. Do you remember which OEM? Apparently URO is now OEM for some rubber parts. Did Dr Fatty unsub from all the lists, or just Banned? He usually had a good idea of which parts were good. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts
As a follow up, I have found Tom Hanson at the Classic Center very responsive and the prices better than what I can get at the local stealer. Jon PS: Some cities have dealers that will actually give you a great discount for walking in, but not here in Maine. On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: I installed new OEM on my 300D last year. They are indeed crap. I also bought a set of OEM for my 250S. They are crap as well. Lesson learned! Buy OE. They are worth it. Jon On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:01 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A friend is looking for motor and tranny mounts for his 78 240D. I'm hearing lately that the OEM are crap and that one should buy OE. Is there a particular OEM brand that is acceptable for this kind of part or must he bite the OE Mercedes bullet? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts
Sorry, I do not remember. I had purchased them Rusty the year before. He said they were good (not Chinese), but they were not. On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote: I installed new OEM on my 300D last year. They are indeed crap. I also bought a set of OEM for my 250S. They are crap as well. Do you remember which OEM? Apparently URO is now OEM for some rubber parts. Did Dr Fatty unsub from all the lists, or just Banned? He usually had a good idea of which parts were good. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts
Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote: PS: Some cities have dealers that will actually give you a great discount for walking in, but not here in Maine. Yeah, I'm always envious of Penoff and his relationship with the Tampa dealer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts
X2 for Tom Hanson. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Oct 15, 2014 8:19 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As a follow up, I have found Tom Hanson at the Classic Center very responsive and the prices better than what I can get at the local stealer. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts
I had a similar experience with Rusty on the mounts for my S500. They were supposed to be Lemforders but ended up being something from China, which I figured out after the fact. Less than two years and they're ready to be replaced. That's what I get for not buying OE parts. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:24 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Sorry, I do not remember. I had purchased them Rusty the year before. He said they were good (not Chinese), but they were not. On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote: I installed new OEM on my 300D last year. They are indeed crap. I also bought a set of OEM for my 250S. They are crap as well. Do you remember which OEM? Apparently URO is now OEM for some rubber parts. Did Dr Fatty unsub from all the lists, or just Banned? He usually had a good idea of which parts were good. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts
You just have to ask. That's all I've done, and both of us have benefitted from the arrangement. My dealer charges consumer list to anyone who walks in off the street. That's the high list that you get gouged on. There is a lower list, which is the price you'll see online with places like MB of Atlanta. I think it's either 10% or 15% off consumer list. Then there is the jobber discount, which is what they give local shops. Also known as a trade discount. That's what I get, and it is 25% off consumer list. All I did was tell them I wanted to spend several thousand dollars annually with them, and they gave it to me. And I do spend that kind of money, maybe not every year, but I'm regular enough that they consider me a regular customer. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote: PS: Some cities have dealers that will actually give you a great discount for walking in, but not here in Maine. Yeah, I'm always envious of Penoff and his relationship with the Tampa dealer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts
How does it feel to be taking fuel from the dealer owner's yacht? --R (sent from my miniPad) On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You just have to ask. That's all I've done, and both of us have benefitted from the arrangement. My dealer charges consumer list to anyone who walks in off the street. That's the high list that you get gouged on. There is a lower list, which is the price you'll see online with places like MB of Atlanta. I think it's either 10% or 15% off consumer list. Then there is the jobber discount, which is what they give local shops. Also known as a trade discount. That's what I get, and it is 25% off consumer list. All I did was tell them I wanted to spend several thousand dollars annually with them, and they gave it to me. And I do spend that kind of money, maybe not every year, but I'm regular enough that they consider me a regular customer. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote: PS: Some cities have dealers that will actually give you a great discount for walking in, but not here in Maine. Yeah, I'm always envious of Penoff and his relationship with the Tampa dealer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Subject: 123 fuel sender and hubcap
Last call. Does anyone have a 123 fuel sender or a midnight blue hubcap for a 123? I've had no positive responses so far.If you have one or the other, let me know. It looks like I will have to find a junkyard on car-part.com. Curly..I have two hubcaps from my 78 240d which are yellow/ivory that I had painted the way Wilton said. Just take the time to mask it out paint it 904 [midnight blue]. My present 83 240d is Midnight Blue but has bundt wheels Email me offlist if interested. Let me know your location for shipping info Bob ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT - More B-52 stuff
From Air Force Magazine Daily Report Friday, October 10, 2014 Getting More BUFF -John A. Tirpak A perennial B-52 upgrade idea - re-engining - is being considered again, Lt. Gen. Stephen Wilson, head of Air Force Global Strike Command, said Thursday. Speaking at an AFA-sponsored, Air Force breakfast in Arlington, Va., Wilson said plans call for the B-52 to remain in service until 2040 and possibly beyond. Wilson told Air Force Magazine that he's been talking to engine contractors, who say a commercial motor for the B-52 could save us 25-30 percent on fuel, but an even bigger payback could come from ripple effects in logistics and operations. Some new engines can stay on-wing for 20 years producing large savings on depot maintenance, and greater fuel efficiency translates to greater range, reducing the need for tankers, he said. An engine replacement might pay for itself by the mid-'30s but make even more sense because Wilson thinks the B-52 will serve longer than that. We're flying them less, and racking up hours more slowly, he said. There's no money in the coming budget for new engines, but Wilson said he's exploring whether Congress would be willing to allow the Air Force to use some money earmarked for energy-saving upgrades at installations for the project. Right now, the money can't be used for aircraft modifications. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - More B-52 stuff
When you design something right to start with, it lasts. B 52 stands as testimony of that mindset. Which is exactly why this board exists. We own and drive ancient Mercedes because they were engineered to out live current fashion. Like the B 52, we find they are also out living the parts supply as well.. [Mercedes content complete] ATTA BOY! Wilton. Grant... On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 7:10 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: From Air Force Magazine Daily Report Friday, October 10, 2014 Getting More BUFF -John A. Tirpak A perennial B-52 upgrade idea - re-engining - is being considered again, Lt. Gen. Stephen Wilson, head of Air Force Global Strike Command, said Thursday. Speaking at an AFA-sponsored, Air Force breakfast in Arlington, Va., Wilson said plans call for the B-52 to remain in service until 2040 and possibly beyond. Wilson told Air Force Magazine that he's been talking to engine contractors, who say a commercial motor for the B-52 could save us 25-30 percent on fuel, but an even bigger payback could come from ripple effects in logistics and operations. Some new engines can stay on-wing for 20 years producing large savings on depot maintenance, and greater fuel efficiency translates to greater range, reducing the need for tankers, he said. An engine replacement might pay for itself by the mid-'30s but make even more sense because Wilson thinks the B-52 will serve longer than that. We're flying them less, and racking up hours more slowly, he said. There's no money in the coming budget for new engines, but Wilson said he's exploring whether Congress would be willing to allow the Air Force to use some money earmarked for energy-saving upgrades at installations for the project. Right now, the money can't be used for aircraft modifications. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - More B-52 stuff
Great idea. Too bad the washington fools spend the money on stupid stuff in place of good stuff like new engines for the B-52s. I can forsee the B-52 being serviceable 100 years after the original design (2046). I hope by then we are smart enough to manage our money so congress/USAF can order some new, updated ones, but they should still be B-52(x) I?, J?, K? From Air Force Magazine Daily Report Friday, October 10, 2014 Getting More BUFF -John A. Tirpak A perennial B-52 upgrade idea - re-engining - is being considered again, Lt. Gen. Stephen Wilson, head of Air Force Global Strike Command, said Thursday. Speaking at an AFA-sponsored, Air Force breakfast in Arlington, Va., Wilson said plans call for the B-52 to remain in service until 2040 and possibly beyond. Wilson told Air Force Magazine that he's been talking to engine contractors, who say a commercial motor for the B-52 could save us 25-30 percent on fuel, but an even bigger payback could come from ripple effects in logistics and operations. Some new engines can stay on-wing for 20 years producing large savings on depot maintenance, and greater fuel efficiency translates to greater range, reducing the need for tankers, he said. An engine replacement might pay for itself by the mid-'30s but make even more sense because Wilson thinks the B-52 will serve longer than that. We're flying them less, and racking up hours more slowly, he said. There's no money in the coming budget for new engines, but Wilson said he's exploring whether Congress would be willing to allow the Air Force to use some money earmarked for energy-saving upgrades at installations for the project. Right now, the money can't be used for aircraft modifications. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Is it dead?
Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Is it dead?
I think Gary is. Sent from my iPad On Oct 15, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Is it dead?
There is a faint pulse but it may be time to call for the Priest. Hendrik who has been self moderating On 16/10/14 09:34, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I think Gary is. Sent from my iPad On Oct 15, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Subject: 123 fuel sender and hubcap
I replied but never got a message back from you. Manfred Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:36:33 -0400 Subject: [MBZ] Subject: 123 fuel sender and hubcap Last call. Does anyone have a 123 fuel sender or a midnight blue hubcap for a 123? I've had no positive responses so far.If you have one or the other, let me know. It looks like I will have to find a junkyard on car-part.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Is it dead?
Must be we need YAOT (Yet Another Oil Thread). Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Is it dead? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - More B-52 stuff
Since the J-75 or whatever it was was slapped on as what was out there in the first place, a re-engine is at least 40 years overdue. There is absolutely no excuse for not putting a bypass engine on there instead of a straight turbojet. The JT-7D was literally a J-75 with a fan stuck on the front of the compressor shaft and a new housing for it, increased static thrust at least 20%, and that was in 1960. After all, the AF FINALLY put CFM-56 engines on the KC-135 -- can't be in too much of a hurry, after all, gotta wait until the commerical aviation system quits using it, eh? The CFM-56 has been available since what, the early 80's? All the hard work was done already in that case as the B737 wing is very close in design to the KC135 (it's the wing on the 707 if I remember correctly). Almost a simple as putting the other engine on. I'd guess at least 30% less fuel, probably 35%, and equally higher all up weight if the airframe can handle it (probably not). Shorter runways, much less fuel, vastly greater low speed handling, 30% more range, why has this taken so long? However, when my brother worked at GE engines, every single engineering improvement was rejected by the AF. Every one, even if it would make the engines last twice as long or burn much less fuel. Some BS about supply chain confusion and not wanting multiple versions in service, etc. Seems to me at the rate they burn out, it should not take long to replace them all anyway. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - More B-52 stuff
Enhanced definitions. Elephant: A mouse built under government contract. Any questions? On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Since the J-75 or whatever it was was slapped on as what was out there in the first place, a re-engine is at least 40 years overdue. There is absolutely no excuse for not putting a bypass engine on there instead of a straight turbojet. The JT-7D was literally a J-75 with a fan stuck on the front of the compressor shaft and a new housing for it, increased static thrust at least 20%, and that was in 1960. After all, the AF FINALLY put CFM-56 engines on the KC-135 -- can't be in too much of a hurry, after all, gotta wait until the commerical aviation system quits using it, eh? The CFM-56 has been available since what, the early 80's? All the hard work was done already in that case as the B737 wing is very close in design to the KC135 (it's the wing on the 707 if I remember correctly). Almost a simple as putting the other engine on. I'd guess at least 30% less fuel, probably 35%, and equally higher all up weight if the airframe can handle it (probably not). Shorter runways, much less fuel, vastly greater low speed handling, 30% more range, why has this taken so long? However, when my brother worked at GE engines, every single engineering improvement was rejected by the AF. Every one, even if it would make the engines last twice as long or burn much less fuel. Some BS about supply chain confusion and not wanting multiple versions in service, etc. Seems to me at the rate they burn out, it should not take long to replace them all anyway. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fw: OT - More B-52 stuff
- Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - More B-52 stuff J-57's (12k lbs. to nearly 13k+ lbs. thrust plus water-alcohol injection for more thrust on take off) were on B-52A through B-52G; TF-33's, a by-pass engine, (17k lbs thrust - no water injection) has been on B-52H's since they were built in '61-'62. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - More B-52 stuff Since the J-75 or whatever it was was slapped on as what was out there in the first place, a re-engine is at least 40 years overdue. There is absolutely no excuse for not putting a bypass engine on there instead of a straight turbojet. The JT-7D was literally a J-75 with a fan stuck on the front of the compressor shaft and a new housing for it, increased static thrust at least 20%, and that was in 1960. After all, the AF FINALLY put CFM-56 engines on the KC-135 -- can't be in too much of a hurry, after all, gotta wait until the commerical aviation system quits using it, eh? The CFM-56 has been available since what, the early 80's? All the hard work was done already in that case as the B737 wing is very close in design to the KC135 (it's the wing on the 707 if I remember correctly). Almost a simple as putting the other engine on. I'd guess at least 30% less fuel, probably 35%, and equally higher all up weight if the airframe can handle it (probably not). Shorter runways, much less fuel, vastly greater low speed handling, 30% more range, why has this taken so long? However, when my brother worked at GE engines, every single engineering improvement was rejected by the AF. Every one, even if it would make the engines last twice as long or burn much less fuel. Some BS about supply chain confusion and not wanting multiple versions in service, etc. Seems to me at the rate they burn out, it should not take long to replace them all anyway. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Is it dead?
what dead? My 240D needs a midnight blue hubcap and a fuel sender. Do you have any? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fw: OT - More B-52 stuff
Still no excuse for not using JT7-Ds, and no excuse for not using a higher bypass engine when they became available. 1960 was a LONG time ago in terms of jet engine design. One reason I heard via rumor is that the smaller intake has a smaller radar profile, as if you could sneak a B-52 anywhere anyway. And the Tupolev has turboprops. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
