date:20160808


If it weren't black, I'd be interested.


Max Dillon via Mercedes 
August 8, 2016 at 11:39 PM
Black paint? Deduct another couple hundred

;) Just kidding, If I needed a nice sedan, I'd be plotting a trip to 
get that now.

M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
August 8, 2016 at 11:31 PM
Also, got a replacement wheel for the dented right rear rim?

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 2:10 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel 
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M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
August 8, 2016 at 2:10 PM
"the climate control blower motor does not kick on"

So no A/C?

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Craig via Mercedes 
August 8, 2016 at 1:19 PM
On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:56:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"

How much for the package delivered to Moriarty, NM?


Craig

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August 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM
I will pay cash if you deliver to me in upstate NY.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

I am sure it is not correct, but it was an illustration of some of the 
top level taxes.   Thanks for the info.



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
August 8, 2016 at 11:30 PM
I think your A answer is wrong, twenty-five years ago, the estimated 
cumulative tax on the average grocery store food item was about 75%, 
counting all the taxes starting with the property tax on the land the 
farmer used, to all the taxes at each stage of the chain that the crop 
went through, to the final sales tax paid at the register. The 
taxation power alone is unbelievable, and the effect is immensely 
negative, on both prosperity and liberty.

Curley McLain 
August 8, 2016 at 9:42 PM
That is not at all what I said.  I gave you facts, and an opportunity 
to answer your question, which I believed was a legitimate request.  
You don't have to seek answers, but I will not spoon feed you.


A:  The gooberment interferes with all parts of the economy, and and 
has a huge influence on the prosperity, or lack thereof, of the 
citizenry.  This is done by taxes, yes, but more so by regulatory 
burdens.  There is no business, small or large that does not have a 
huge regulatory burden.  Wanna make some dog treats?  You would not 
BELIEVE the regulatory burden.  Angie wanna make and sell some 
cookies?  Same thing, but actually, not as bad.  Wanna make and sell 
some gizmo for lanterns or snowmobiles?  Endless regulatory burden, 
and IF you happen to be lucky enough to MAKE some money, Uncle is 
there with his hand out.  Over 15% off the top for SS, then medicare 
etc., then state and fed income tax, sales tax, tax and tax, 
bummercare tax, Workmen's comp, and mountains of regulation.  That 
chokes more businesses than  anything else.  You will be looking at 
40% to 65% off the top of your gross sales for taxes alone.


B:  It is big, but it responds to certain things.  The Tax cuts done 
by JFK sparked huge growth.  When RR did the same thing, and even 
bigger, longer period of growth occurred, lasting through most of the 
W period.  The economy does not care if the tax is cut by D or R.  It 
will grow.  The economy does not care if D or R raise taxes.  Either 
way, the economy shrinks.


C:  No comment

D: There are only 2 or 3 ways out from where we are.  1.  Financial 
collapse, depression.  2. Number one plus revolution.  3 growth, 
spurred and started by cutting the regulatory burden and the tax 
burden.   We can GROW out of the mess we are in, but it will take bold 
tax and regulatory burden reforms.


The actual labor component of most products is in the single digit % 
range. (5-9% of gross receipts)  Exceptions are food service, retail 
bakery and other labor intensive businesses.  Those typically run 30% 
to 40% of gross receipts.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
August 8, 2016 at 5:38 PM
So to paraphrase:
RR and the Republican congress in '94 gave us 6 fold growth, Clinton 
and Carter couldn't possibly have had anything to do with it.
Obama clearly gave us only 2 fold growth although half of the last 16 
years had GW Bush and a Republican congress that clearly were doing 
something awesome but Obama is such a terrible guy that doesn't call 
his mother or wipe his behind properly that he limited our growth.

See on the other hand I think:
A. Government actually has very little to do with the economy
B. The economy is a big crazy thing that nobody really understands and 
when somebody says they do they're probably selling something.
C. The economy is NOT rational for the simple reason that people are 
not rational and will cut their own throat to make a buck.

-Curt
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

It is not a fixed sum game.  I'll take a stab at explaining.

In 1980, when RR was elected, the GDP was about 1.6 trillion per
quarter.  The gooberment spent about 325 Billion of this amount.  (or
about 20%)

In 2000, when W was elected, The GDP was about 8.9 trillion per
quarter.  The gooberment spent 1.5 trillion of this. (or about 16%)
http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#reqid=9&step=3&isuri=1&903=10

So in the span of 20 years, the US economy grew roughly 6 fold.  This
growth was the result of the RR policies, and the "contract with
America" of 1994.

in 2016, the GDP is roughly 16.5 trillion per quarter.  The goobermnt
spent about 2.9 billion of this. (or about 17%)
http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#reqid=9&step=3&isuri=1&903=6
so, in the last 16 years, rather than growing 5 fold, the economy has
been choked, and grew only 2 fold.

Here are the questions for you to answer:  (Yep it is homework)
1.  What is the current national debt?
2.  What would the quarterly GDP be in 2016, if the GDP had grown at the
rate of 6 fold in 20 years?
3. What would the gooberment's share of that

Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

Black paint?  Deduct another couple hundred

;)  Just kidding, If I needed a nice sedan, I'd be plotting a trip to get that 
now.
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But the trunk badge says turbo?  Wrong badge, or wrong year listed in the ad?
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2016-08-08 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes

Also, got a replacement wheel for the dented right rear rim?

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 2:10 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel 
wrote:

> "the climate control blower motor does not kick on"
>
> So no A/C?
>
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:56:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > I will deliver for cost of expenses
>>
>> How much for the package delivered to Moriarty, NM?
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

I think your A answer is wrong, twenty-five years ago, the estimated cumulative 
tax on the average grocery store food item was about 75%, counting all the 
taxes starting with the property tax on the land the farmer used, to all the 
taxes at each stage of the chain that the crop went through, to the final sales 
tax paid at the register.  The taxation power alone is unbelievable, and the 
effect is immensely negative, on both prosperity and liberty.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 8, 2016 10:42:58 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>That is not at all what I said.  I gave you facts, and an opportunity
>to 
>answer your question, which I believed was a legitimate request.  You 
>don't have to seek answers, but I will not spoon feed you.
>
>A:  The gooberment interferes with all parts of the economy, and and
>has 
>a huge influence on the prosperity, or lack thereof, of the citizenry. 
>
>This is done by taxes, yes, but more so by regulatory burdens.  There
>is 
>no business, small or large that does not have a huge regulatory 
>burden.  Wanna make some dog treats?  You would not BELIEVE the 
>regulatory burden.  Angie wanna make and sell some cookies?  Same
>thing, 
>but actually, not as bad.  Wanna make and sell some gizmo for lanterns 
>or snowmobiles?  Endless regulatory burden, and IF you happen to be 
>lucky enough to MAKE some money, Uncle is there with his hand out. 
>Over 
>15% off the top for SS, then medicare etc., then state and fed income 
>tax, sales tax, tax and tax, bummercare tax, Workmen's comp, and 
>mountains of regulation.  That chokes more businesses than  anything 
>else.  You will be looking at 40% to 65% off the top of your gross
>sales 
>for taxes alone.
>
>B:  It is big, but it responds to certain things.  The Tax cuts done by
>
>JFK sparked huge growth.  When RR did the same thing, and even bigger, 
>longer period of growth occurred, lasting through most of the W period.
> 
>The economy does not care if the tax is cut by D or R.  It will grow.  
>The economy does not care if D or R raise taxes.  Either way, the 
>economy shrinks.
>
>C:  No comment
>
>D: There are only 2 or 3 ways out from where we are.  1.  Financial 
>collapse, depression.  2. Number one plus revolution.  3 growth,
>spurred 
>and started by cutting the regulatory burden and the tax burden.   We 
>can GROW out of the mess we are in, but it will take bold tax and 
>regulatory burden reforms.
>
>The actual labor component of most products is in the single digit % 
>range. (5-9% of gross receipts)  Exceptions are food service, retail 
>bakery and other labor intensive businesses.  Those typically run 30%
>to 
>40% of gross receipts.
>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> August 8, 2016 at 5:38 PM
>> So to paraphrase:
>> RR and the Republican congress in '94 gave us 6 fold growth, Clinton 
>> and Carter couldn't possibly have had anything to do with it.
>> Obama clearly gave us only 2 fold growth although half of the last 16
>
>> years had GW Bush and a Republican congress that clearly were doing 
>> something awesome but Obama is such a terrible guy that doesn't call 
>> his mother or wipe his behind properly that he limited our growth.
>> See on the other hand I think:
>> A. Government actually has very little to do with the economy
>> B. The economy is a big crazy thing that nobody really understands
>and 
>> when somebody says they do they're probably selling something.
>> C. The economy is NOT rational for the simple reason that people are 
>> not rational and will cut their own throat to make a buck.
>> -Curt
>> From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 6:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
>>
>> It is not a fixed sum game.  I'll take a stab at explaining.
>>
>> In 1980, when RR was elected, the GDP was about 1.6 trillion per
>> quarter.  The gooberment spent about 325 Billion of this amount.  (or
>> about 20%)
>>
>> In 2000, when W was elected, The GDP was about 8.9 trillion per
>> quarter.  The gooberment spent 1.5 trillion of this. (or about 16%)
>>
>http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#reqid=9&step=3&isuri=1&903=10
>>
>> So in the span of 20 years, the US economy grew roughly 6 fold.  This
>> growth was the result of the RR policies, and the "contract with
>> America" of 1994.
>>
>> in 2016, the GDP is roughly 16.5 trillion per quarter.  The goobermnt
>> spent about 2.9 billion of this. (or about 17%)
>>
>http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#reqid=9&step=3&isuri=1&903=6
>> so, in the last 16 years, rather than growing 5 fold, the economy has
>> been choked, and grew only 2 fold.
>>
>> Here are the questions for you to answer:  (Yep it is homework)
>> 1.  What is the current national debt?
>> 2.  What would the quarterly GDP be in 2016, if the GDP had grown at
>the
>> rate of 6 fold in 20 years?
>> 3. What wo

[MBZ] old technology Some of it, I like...


Like a 110 200D or a 123 240D, or a 124 300D, or a 126 300SDL.

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[MBZ] OT: political signs

2016-08-08 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

>
> Anybody with a brain can see that Trump has NO plan, you can't lower
> taxes, pay off the deficit, put more money into defense and deport 11
> million people all while maintaining social security, medicare and "taking
> care of everybody". Thats the kind of plan somebody thats been bankrupt 4
> times would come up with.


Not deport.  Sell into slavery.  That oughta just about pay for it!  :-)

I hate to say it, but I'd prefer "clueless boob" to "evil plotting monster"
any day.  The system is designed to shield us from the former much better
than from the latter.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Fendering

Please, PLEASE interrupt...
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On August 8, 2016 10:02:37 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Curt, I think  the list would prefer that you didn't interrupt the
>erudite
>political diatribe here with a mundane automotive  post about painting
>fenders.
>
>Dwight Giles Jr.
>1982 300CD
>1990 300D
>Wickford RI
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Fendering

Well not wuite,jgiels.

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1990 300D
Wickford RI

On Aug 8, 2016 11:00 PM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> JGiels writes:
>
> >Curt, I think the list would prefer >that you didn't interrupt the
> >erudite political diatribe here with >a mundane automotive post >about
> painting fenders.
>
> Especially on a *cough* volkswagen *cough*.
>
> Rick
> Your email is still "JGiels", isn't it?
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1977 Mercedes 300D Turbo $1000

As I thought. My guess is the latter.

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1990 300D
Wickford RI

On Aug 8, 2016 10:58 PM, "Fred Moir via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Dwight.
>
> Nope.
>
> Either an engine swap or the guy is ignorant.
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Dwight Giles
> via Mercedes 
> Sent: 09 August 2016 02:55
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Dwight Giles
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 Mercedes 300D Turbo $1000
>
> There weren't  turbos in 77-right?
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
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> 1990 300D
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Fendering

2016-08-08 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

JGiels writes:

>Curt, I think the list would prefer >that you didn't interrupt the >erudite 
>political diatribe here with >a mundane automotive post >about painting 
>fenders.

Especially on a *cough* volkswagen *cough*.

Rick 
Your email is still "JGiels", isn't it? 

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Re: [MBZ] 1977 Mercedes 300D Turbo $1000

Not until 82 in 123 sedan

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> On Aug 8, 2016, at 9:55 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> There weren't  turbos in 77-right?
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 1990 300D
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Aug 8, 2016 10:46 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Show me pitchers of the turbo.   (that was posted before)  I didn't
>> believe it had a turbo then either.
>> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>> August 8, 2016 at 9:43 PM
>>> 
>>> 1977 Mercedes 300D Turbo
>>> http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/5707055085.html
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Re: [MBZ] 1977 Mercedes 300D Turbo $1000

2016-08-08 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes

Dwight.

Nope.

Either an engine swap or the guy is ignorant.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



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Mercedes 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 Mercedes 300D Turbo $1000

There weren't  turbos in 77-right?

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Re: [MBZ] 1977 Mercedes 300D Turbo $1000

No W123 turbo sedans until 1981.

On Aug 8, 2016 10:55 PM, "Dwight Giles via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> There weren't  turbos in 77-right?
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 1990 300D
> Wickford RI
>
> On Aug 8, 2016 10:46 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Show me pitchers of the turbo.   (that was posted before)  I didn't
> > believe it had a turbo then either.
> >
> > Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> >> August 8, 2016 at 9:43 PM
> >>
> >> 1977 Mercedes 300D Turbo
> >> http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/5707055085.html
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Re: [MBZ] 1977 Mercedes 300D Turbo $1000

There weren't  turbos in 77-right?

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1982 300CD
1990 300D
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On Aug 8, 2016 10:46 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Show me pitchers of the turbo.   (that was posted before)  I didn't
> believe it had a turbo then either.
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> August 8, 2016 at 9:43 PM
>>
>> 1977 Mercedes 300D Turbo
>> http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/5707055085.html
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Ac again

2016-08-08 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

And, of course, how are your pressures?  If they're off, performance at
various operating points can be compromised.

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Re: [MBZ] Ac again

2016-08-08 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

Could your problems be due to a slipping clutch?  They do wear, and can
need adjustment.

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Re: [MBZ] 1977 Mercedes 300D Turbo $1000

Show me pitchers of the turbo.   (that was posted before)  I didn't 
believe it had a turbo then either.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
August 8, 2016 at 9:43 PM

1977 Mercedes 300D Turbo
http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/5707055085.html



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[MBZ] 1977 Mercedes 300D Turbo $1000



1977 Mercedes 300D Turbo
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

That is not at all what I said.  I gave you facts, and an opportunity to 
answer your question, which I believed was a legitimate request.  You 
don't have to seek answers, but I will not spoon feed you.


A:  The gooberment interferes with all parts of the economy, and and has 
a huge influence on the prosperity, or lack thereof, of the citizenry.  
This is done by taxes, yes, but more so by regulatory burdens.  There is 
no business, small or large that does not have a huge regulatory 
burden.  Wanna make some dog treats?  You would not BELIEVE the 
regulatory burden.  Angie wanna make and sell some cookies?  Same thing, 
but actually, not as bad.  Wanna make and sell some gizmo for lanterns 
or snowmobiles?  Endless regulatory burden, and IF you happen to be 
lucky enough to MAKE some money, Uncle is there with his hand out.  Over 
15% off the top for SS, then medicare etc., then state and fed income 
tax, sales tax, tax and tax, bummercare tax, Workmen's comp, and 
mountains of regulation.  That chokes more businesses than  anything 
else.  You will be looking at 40% to 65% off the top of your gross sales 
for taxes alone.


B:  It is big, but it responds to certain things.  The Tax cuts done by 
JFK sparked huge growth.  When RR did the same thing, and even bigger, 
longer period of growth occurred, lasting through most of the W period.  
The economy does not care if the tax is cut by D or R.  It will grow.  
The economy does not care if D or R raise taxes.  Either way, the 
economy shrinks.


C:  No comment

D: There are only 2 or 3 ways out from where we are.  1.  Financial 
collapse, depression.  2. Number one plus revolution.  3 growth, spurred 
and started by cutting the regulatory burden and the tax burden.   We 
can GROW out of the mess we are in, but it will take bold tax and 
regulatory burden reforms.


The actual labor component of most products is in the single digit % 
range. (5-9% of gross receipts)  Exceptions are food service, retail 
bakery and other labor intensive businesses.  Those typically run 30% to 
40% of gross receipts.

Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
August 8, 2016 at 5:38 PM
So to paraphrase:
RR and the Republican congress in '94 gave us 6 fold growth, Clinton 
and Carter couldn't possibly have had anything to do with it.
Obama clearly gave us only 2 fold growth although half of the last 16 
years had GW Bush and a Republican congress that clearly were doing 
something awesome but Obama is such a terrible guy that doesn't call 
his mother or wipe his behind properly that he limited our growth.

See on the other hand I think:
A. Government actually has very little to do with the economy
B. The economy is a big crazy thing that nobody really understands and 
when somebody says they do they're probably selling something.
C. The economy is NOT rational for the simple reason that people are 
not rational and will cut their own throat to make a buck.

-Curt
From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

It is not a fixed sum game.  I'll take a stab at explaining.

In 1980, when RR was elected, the GDP was about 1.6 trillion per
quarter.  The gooberment spent about 325 Billion of this amount.  (or
about 20%)

In 2000, when W was elected, The GDP was about 8.9 trillion per
quarter.  The gooberment spent 1.5 trillion of this. (or about 16%)
http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#reqid=9&step=3&isuri=1&903=10

So in the span of 20 years, the US economy grew roughly 6 fold.  This
growth was the result of the RR policies, and the "contract with
America" of 1994.

in 2016, the GDP is roughly 16.5 trillion per quarter.  The goobermnt
spent about 2.9 billion of this. (or about 17%)
http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#reqid=9&step=3&isuri=1&903=6
so, in the last 16 years, rather than growing 5 fold, the economy has
been choked, and grew only 2 fold.

Here are the questions for you to answer:  (Yep it is homework)
1.  What is the current national debt?
2.  What would the quarterly GDP be in 2016, if the GDP had grown at the
rate of 6 fold in 20 years?
3. What would the gooberment's share of that be, if we limited the
goobermnt to 17% of the GDP (per quarter)?
4.  How many years would it take to pay off the national debt if the
difference between the actual gooberment expenditures and the amount the
goobermnt would have taken in was applied to reduce the national debt?

5.  If that difference were applied to Social Insecurity, where the
average payment is now $1200/mo, (rather an applied to paying down the
national debt) what would the average monthly payment be now?

I await answers from the group.

As you research and determine answers to these 5 simple questions, it
will become obvious how much damage has been done in the last 8/16 years.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Rat rod

Watcha gonna do wit dat lawn mower (says my SWMBO), 'tain't no grass to mow on 
your vast estate?
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 8, 2016 8:22:07 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I ride my bike past this guy's house sometimes, he has some other 
>interesting cars sitting around
>
>https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5722755729.html
>
>
>-- 
>--FT
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Re: [MBZ] 97 e300

It's possible, but it's also possible I am
Just used to the turbo version.

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> On Aug 8, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Perhaps it goes into some kind of reduced power limp mode when the EGR isn't
> working, similar to what the turbos do?
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Re: [MBZ] 97 e300



Perhaps it goes into some kind of reduced power limp mode when the EGR isn't
working, similar to what the turbos do?

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[MBZ] 97 e300

I finally pulled my 97 e300 out of the shop today after a long period of me 
slowly replacing glow plugs, and all the fuel lines and seals under the 
manifold. Took it for a drive today after being used to driving the 98 turbo. 
Boy is it slow. Actually I am not sure if it's normal slow or if there is a 
problem slow. I cleared the engine codes and had an egr code come back which I 
thought was because I didn't have the crossover pipe completely sealed yet. I 
cleared it again and had a check engine light come back on during the test 
drive. I bets it's egr again and that may reduce power. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT2?: political signs

And the problem with that is? Are you trying to convince me to vote for 
trump?
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'95 E300

On August 8, 2016 6:53:39 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Here is a HUGE hint:  He is SUPERB at entering BANKRUPTCY and emerging
>as a
>WINNER.  He will do the same for USA and make our creditors, e.g China
>and
>our others (Russia is exempted) LOOSERS.
>

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[MBZ] Ac again

Yesterday I posted about the expansion valve swap curing the ac not cooling and 
the clutch barking. Drove he car today and it seems to have cured the ac not 
cooling once it reaches set temp, but the barking had returned. It only does it 
when the car is good and hot and it's hot outside. Also at idle such as sitting 
in a parking lot it does not seem to cool at all. The only other thing left is 
the compressor itself. By contrast the ac in the 95 e300 and my 97 e300 will 
freeze you out while just sitting there idling. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Trump will get us out!  Sure  If you believe that...  But make no mistake, 
I'm not voting for H->...
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 8, 2016 5:34:35 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>We invaded Iraq the day after I bought my '83 240D. I remember sitting
>in a hotel room watching TV and thinking "If we get out of this in a
>decade it'll be a miracle." 13 years later I'm thinking "If we get out
>in a decade it'd be a miracle"...
>-Curt
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mercedes-Benz question (now that Dan is gone)

It would, but I've got that KLIMA socket jumped / hacked with an aftermarket 
relay due to no engine RPM signal from the computer.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 8, 2016 6:33:35 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>No, but it'll go inthe white whale.
>
>> WILTON via Mercedes 
>> August 8, 2016 at 5:32 PM
>> A goodun in the wreck.  Are they the same?
>>
>> Wilton
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
>> 
>> To: "Mercedes" 
>> Cc: "Meade Dillon" 
>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 4:05 PM
>> Subject: [MBZ] OT Mercedes-Benz question (now that Dan is gone)
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mercedes-Benz question (now that Dan is gone)

No, the '95 KLIMA is unique to the car.  I just may try the relay from your old 
sedan, it may work but provide slightly different operating parameters?  

Just realized I probably can also jumper past it, like I have in my '87.
-- 
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'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 8, 2016 6:32:23 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes  
wrote:
>A goodun in the wreck.  Are they the same?
>
>Wilton
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
>To: "Mercedes" 
>Cc: "Meade Dillon" 
>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 4:05 PM
>Subject: [MBZ] OT Mercedes-Benz question (now that Dan is gone)
>
>
>> Anyone remember the place he linked that repaired old MB relays?  The
>
>> KLIMA
>> relay for my '95 sedan has decided to get flaky again, and it is
>starting
>> to get old: stopping to open the hood to fiddle with the relay to get
>the
>> AC working, that is.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Fendering

Curt, I think  the list would prefer that you didn't interrupt the erudite
political diatribe here with a mundane automotive  post about painting
fenders.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI

On Aug 8, 2016 8:41 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Perhaps I could interrupt the political discussion with some car talk.
> You might recall I bought some new (used) fenders for our '05 Golf.
> Yesterday I welded a patch on to the driver's side fender's lower rear
> mount. It would appear salt and water collect there as both had some rust.
> I brushed the rust off the other one and stuck both into a bucket of citric
> acid.
> Today I pulled out the passenger side, brushed the rust some more and
> gobbed on some phosphoric acid (naval jelly) since as I brushed back some
> of the paint I found a little more rust. It required another treatment of
> the acid to ensure there was no rust at all. I then washed it good with
> water and denatured alcohol, primed and shot a good heavy coat of black
> paint. This is the back side of the panel mind you so the black won't
> matter on a blue car.
> The color match paint hasn't arrived yet.
> Tomorrow I'll clean up my patch some more and repeat the process with the
> driver's side. Then it'll be time to sand back the existing black paint.
> I'm debating a primer coat, I guess it'll depend if I can get off just the
> color coat leaving the original primer behind...
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs, taking the measure

2016-08-08 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes


I think it has both on the tape.  At least I hope so.

--FT


On 8/8/16 4:48 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Floyd wrote:

Speaking of Johnsons, my Big Johnson tape measures I have been in
love with for years have reached the ends of their useful lives.
These are by far the best tapes I have ever used, and have a belt
clip that is very easy to use.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121789676960

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121692869626

These things are great, I should look into importing them and
selling them on-line or somehow.

Hmm. Metric only?   Metric and Imperial?  In the picture, all I can
see is metric.

How does it lock?  I happen to not like the the style that is
always lock and a button is pushed to allow retracting.

Some other tape measures I have NOT used but have both
metric and Imperial

Starrett KTX12 - big name in precision measuring tools.






--R

Ah!  Your slip shows.

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[MBZ] OT: Fendering

Perhaps I could interrupt the political discussion with some car talk.
You might recall I bought some new (used) fenders for our '05 Golf. Yesterday I 
welded a patch on to the driver's side fender's lower rear mount. It would 
appear salt and water collect there as both had some rust. I brushed the rust 
off the other one and stuck both into a bucket of citric acid.
Today I pulled out the passenger side, brushed the rust some more and gobbed on 
some phosphoric acid (naval jelly) since as I brushed back some of the paint I 
found a little more rust. It required another treatment of the acid to ensure 
there was no rust at all. I then washed it good with water and denatured 
alcohol, primed and shot a good heavy coat of black paint. This is the back 
side of the panel mind you so the black won't matter on a blue car.
The color match paint hasn't arrived yet.
Tomorrow I'll clean up my patch some more and repeat the process with the 
driver's side. Then it'll be time to sand back the existing black paint. I'm 
debating a primer coat, I guess it'll depend if I can get off just the color 
coat leaving the original primer behind...
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms


> On August 8, 2016 at 7:18 PM fmiser via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Years ago, there was a rebellion caused by folks who had banks
> foreclosing on their land because they hadn't been paid as
> promised by the government. 

Bonus Army?

Mitch.

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[MBZ] OT Rat rod

2016-08-08 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

I ride my bike past this guy's house sometimes, he has some other 
interesting cars sitting around


https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5722755729.html


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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

2016-08-08 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

Again - right on! There might be a difference though, the R's spend OUR
money to increase the already rich, who then shovel it off the off-shore
hidden accounts (no, trickle down doesn't happen, never has). The D's say
they are spending OUR money to help the poor - keep them from stealing to
survive, etc., but really too must goes into their own pockets. Either way,
we lose, the politicians win.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I just had kinda a sideways thought since this is not the first time
> somebody on the list has used the "its not a zero sum game" argument.
> How come when a Republican wants to cut taxes and spend money its "not a
> zero sum game" but when a Democrat wants to spend money they're a "tax and
> spend liberal"? If government spending makes more money isn't it always
> good?
> Both parties spend more money, they say they don't but their actions
> refute that.
> -Curt
>
>
>
> --
>
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

2016-08-08 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

Exactly!!!

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So to paraphrase:
> RR and the Republican congress in '94 gave us 6 fold growth, Clinton and
> Carter couldn't possibly have had anything to do with it.
> Obama clearly gave us only 2 fold growth although half of the last 16
> years had GW Bush and a Republican congress that clearly were doing
> something awesome but Obama is such a terrible guy that doesn't call his
> mother or wipe his behind properly that he limited our growth.
> See on the other hand I think:
> A. Government actually has very little to do with the economy
> B. The economy is a big crazy thing that nobody really understands and
> when somebody says they do they're probably selling something.
> C. The economy is NOT rational for the simple reason that people are not
> rational and will cut their own throat to make a buck.
> -Curt
>
>
>


-- 
OK Don

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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

2016-08-08 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> G wrote:
> 
> OK... so when do the public ass whoopings start?
> 
> Seems our leader, whose only published talent is "community
> agitator" couched in political correct as "community organizer"
> has been successful in 7 years of getting Citizens pissed off at
> each other..
> 
> Such rabble rousing always results in violent conflicts, as we
> have seen with the resent assaults on police officers.
> 
> It seems the makings of a perfect storm have arrived... the
> question is.. how can we revert to civilization without having
> the pending violence.

Maybe we can't.  Or shouldn't.

Years ago, there was a rebellion caused by folks who had banks
foreclosing on their land because they hadn't been paid as
promised by the government. Thomas Jefferson's comment was:

  And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers
  are not warned from time to time that their people preserve
  the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is
  to set them right as to facts, pardon, and pacify them. What
  signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of
  liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of
  patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Curt, please stop.  You're gonna make our heads EXPLODE.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 6:47 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I just had kinda a sideways thought since this is not the first time
> somebody on the list has used the "its not a zero sum game" argument.
> How come when a Republican wants to cut taxes and spend money its "not a
> zero sum game" but when a Democrat wants to spend money they're a "tax and
> spend liberal"? If government spending makes more money isn't it always
> good?
> Both parties spend more money, they say they don't but their actions
> refute that.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 6:31 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
>
> It is not a fixed sum game.  I'll take a stab at explaining.
>
> In 1980, when RR was elected, the GDP was about 1.6 trillion per
> quarter.  The gooberment spent about 325 Billion of this amount.  (or
> about 20%)
>
> In 2000, when W was elected, The GDP was about 8.9 trillion per
> quarter.  The gooberment spent 1.5 trillion of this. (or about 16%)
> http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#
> reqid=9&step=3&isuri=1&903=10
>
> So in the span of 20 years, the US economy grew roughly 6 fold.  This
> growth was the result of the RR policies, and the "contract with
> America" of 1994.
>
> in 2016, the GDP is roughly 16.5 trillion per quarter.  The goobermnt
> spent about 2.9 billion of this. (or about 17%)
> http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#
> reqid=9&step=3&isuri=1&903=6
> so, in the last 16 years, rather than growing 5 fold, the economy has
> been choked, and grew only 2 fold.
>
> Here are the questions for you to answer:  (Yep it is homework)
> 1.  What is the current national debt?
> 2.  What would the quarterly GDP be in 2016, if the GDP had grown at the
> rate of 6 fold in 20 years?
> 3. What would the gooberment's share of that be, if we limited the
> goobermnt to 17% of the GDP (per quarter)?
> 4.  How many years would it take to pay off the national debt if the
> difference between the actual gooberment expenditures and the amount the
> goobermnt would have taken in was applied to reduce the national debt?
>
> 5.  If that difference were applied to Social Insecurity, where the
> average payment is now $1200/mo, (rather an applied to paying down the
> national debt) what would the average monthly payment be now?
>
> I await answers from the group.
>
> As you research and determine answers to these 5 simple questions, it
> will become obvious how much damage has been done in the last 8/16 years.
>
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > August 8, 2016 at 4:38 PM
> > So Roger, show me a plan from Trump that makes sense. How is it
> > possible to lower taxes, spend more AND balance the budget. Maybe I'm
> > not smart enough to understand that.
> > -Curt
> >
> > From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
> > To: "List, Mercedes" 
> > Cc: roger...@comcast.net
> > Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 5:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
> >
> > Curt, maybe you and Andrew can form a club, maybe called the Rose
> > Colored Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low
> > intelligence and your own personal massive intellect. Next time I have
> > a tough decision, I'll consult you and then do just the opposite :-))
> > I only hope your sick on election day and can't vote. Nothing serious,
> > maybe just diarrhea or some such to keep you home.
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Re: [MBZ] OT2?: political signs

Here is a HUGE hint:  He is SUPERB at entering BANKRUPTCY and emerging as a
WINNER.  He will do the same for USA and make our creditors, e.g China and
our others (Russia is exempted) LOOSERS.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The executive board gives the shareholders an idea of the plan. The
> employees get to have insight into the plan. In my experience big customers
> tend to get let in on the plan. We the people should know the plan in
> advance. Otherwise its "trust me" which I don't for basically anybody.
> Besides if he had a great plan he'd be telling everybody in detail. I
> recognize that most politicians don't give much detail but Trump gives zero.
> I heard him today talking about how we're going to use more coal and
> steel, doesn't say for what. Doesn't seem to care that renewable energy has
> as many workers as coal. He also says he's the candidate of the future but
> his future sounds to me like the 1950s.
>
> -Curt
>
>   From: Mountain Man 
>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 6:08 PM
>  Subject: OT2?: political signs
>
> Curt wrote:
> > So Roger, show me a plan from Trump that makes sense...
>
> Business people do not show their plans - they want to stay in business?
> Politics is not business - maybe it should be.
> Does the constitution establish preference for political class?
> Does the constitution establish need for political experience?
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mercedes-Benz question

These guys are AWESOME!  Their rebuilt 123 CC amps last forever AND they
LOVE HRC!!

LOL

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> That's it, thanks!
>
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> > http://www.programainc.com/default.aspx
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> >> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> >> August 8, 2016 at 4:09 PM
> >> Ooops, "he" = Dan (Mercedes Martha Stewart).
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

I just had kinda a sideways thought since this is not the first time somebody 
on the list has used the "its not a zero sum game" argument.
How come when a Republican wants to cut taxes and spend money its "not a zero 
sum game" but when a Democrat wants to spend money they're a "tax and spend 
liberal"? If government spending makes more money isn't it always good?
Both parties spend more money, they say they don't but their actions refute 
that.
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 6:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
   
It is not a fixed sum game.  I'll take a stab at explaining.

In 1980, when RR was elected, the GDP was about 1.6 trillion per 
quarter.  The gooberment spent about 325 Billion of this amount.  (or 
about 20%)

In 2000, when W was elected, The GDP was about 8.9 trillion per 
quarter.  The gooberment spent 1.5 trillion of this. (or about 16%)
http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#reqid=9&step=3&isuri=1&903=10

So in the span of 20 years, the US economy grew roughly 6 fold.  This 
growth was the result of the RR policies, and the "contract with 
America" of 1994.

in 2016, the GDP is roughly 16.5 trillion per quarter.  The goobermnt 
spent about 2.9 billion of this. (or about 17%)
http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#reqid=9&step=3&isuri=1&903=6
so, in the last 16 years, rather than growing 5 fold, the economy has 
been choked, and grew only 2 fold.

Here are the questions for you to answer:  (Yep it is homework)
1.  What is the current national debt?
2.  What would the quarterly GDP be in 2016, if the GDP had grown at the 
rate of 6 fold in 20 years?
3. What would the gooberment's share of that be, if we limited the 
goobermnt to 17% of the GDP (per quarter)?
4.  How many years would it take to pay off the national debt if the 
difference between the actual gooberment expenditures and the amount the 
goobermnt would have taken in was applied to reduce the national debt?

5.  If that difference were applied to Social Insecurity, where the 
average payment is now $1200/mo, (rather an applied to paying down the 
national debt) what would the average monthly payment be now?

I await answers from the group.

As you research and determine answers to these 5 simple questions, it 
will become obvious how much damage has been done in the last 8/16 years.

> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> August 8, 2016 at 4:38 PM
> So Roger, show me a plan from Trump that makes sense. How is it 
> possible to lower taxes, spend more AND balance the budget. Maybe I'm 
> not smart enough to understand that.
> -Curt
>
> From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
> To: "List, Mercedes" 
> Cc: roger...@comcast.net
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 5:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
>
> Curt, maybe you and Andrew can form a club, maybe called the Rose 
> Colored Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low 
> intelligence and your own personal massive intellect. Next time I have 
> a tough decision, I'll consult you and then do just the opposite :-)) 
> I only hope your sick on election day and can't vote. Nothing serious, 
> maybe just diarrhea or some such to keep you home.
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
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> Curt, maybe you and Andrew can form a club, maybe called the Rose 
> Colored Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low 
> intelligence and your own personal massive intellect. Next time I have 
> a tough decision, I'll consult you and then do just the opposite :-)) 
> I only hope your sick on election day and can't vote. Nothing serious, 
> maybe just diarrhea or some such to keep you home.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

So to paraphrase:
RR and the Republican congress in '94 gave us 6 fold growth, Clinton and Carter 
couldn't possibly have had anything to do with it.
Obama clearly gave us only 2 fold growth although half of the last 16 years had 
GW Bush and a Republican congress that clearly were doing something awesome but 
Obama is such a terrible guy that doesn't call his mother or wipe his behind 
properly that he limited our growth.
See on the other hand I think: 
A. Government actually has very little to do with the economy
B. The economy is a big crazy thing that nobody really understands and when 
somebody says they do they're probably selling something.
C. The economy is NOT rational for the simple reason that people are not 
rational and will cut their own throat to make a buck.
-Curt
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Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 6:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
   
It is not a fixed sum game.  I'll take a stab at explaining.

In 1980, when RR was elected, the GDP was about 1.6 trillion per 
quarter.  The gooberment spent about 325 Billion of this amount.  (or 
about 20%)

In 2000, when W was elected, The GDP was about 8.9 trillion per 
quarter.  The gooberment spent 1.5 trillion of this. (or about 16%)
http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#reqid=9&step=3&isuri=1&903=10

So in the span of 20 years, the US economy grew roughly 6 fold.  This 
growth was the result of the RR policies, and the "contract with 
America" of 1994.

in 2016, the GDP is roughly 16.5 trillion per quarter.  The goobermnt 
spent about 2.9 billion of this. (or about 17%)
http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#reqid=9&step=3&isuri=1&903=6
so, in the last 16 years, rather than growing 5 fold, the economy has 
been choked, and grew only 2 fold.

Here are the questions for you to answer:  (Yep it is homework)
1.  What is the current national debt?
2.  What would the quarterly GDP be in 2016, if the GDP had grown at the 
rate of 6 fold in 20 years?
3. What would the gooberment's share of that be, if we limited the 
goobermnt to 17% of the GDP (per quarter)?
4.  How many years would it take to pay off the national debt if the 
difference between the actual gooberment expenditures and the amount the 
goobermnt would have taken in was applied to reduce the national debt?

5.  If that difference were applied to Social Insecurity, where the 
average payment is now $1200/mo, (rather an applied to paying down the 
national debt) what would the average monthly payment be now?

I await answers from the group.

As you research and determine answers to these 5 simple questions, it 
will become obvious how much damage has been done in the last 8/16 years.

> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> August 8, 2016 at 4:38 PM
> So Roger, show me a plan from Trump that makes sense. How is it 
> possible to lower taxes, spend more AND balance the budget. Maybe I'm 
> not smart enough to understand that.
> -Curt
>
> From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
> To: "List, Mercedes" 
> Cc: roger...@comcast.net
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 5:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
>
> Curt, maybe you and Andrew can form a club, maybe called the Rose 
> Colored Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low 
> intelligence and your own personal massive intellect. Next time I have 
> a tough decision, I'll consult you and then do just the opposite :-)) 
> I only hope your sick on election day and can't vote. Nothing serious, 
> maybe just diarrhea or some such to keep you home.
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
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> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
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> Colored Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low 
> intelligence and your own personal massive intellect. Next time I have 
> a tough decision, I'll consult you and then do just the opposite :-)) 
> I only hope your sick on election day and can't vote. Nothing serious, 
> maybe just diarrhea or some such to keep you home.
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mercedes-Benz question (now that Dan is gone)


No, but it'll go inthe white whale.


WILTON via Mercedes 
August 8, 2016 at 5:32 PM
A goodun in the wreck.  Are they the same?

Wilton

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Cc: "Meade Dillon" 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 4:05 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT Mercedes-Benz question (now that Dan is gone)



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Re: [MBZ] OT Mercedes-Benz question (now that Dan is gone)

A goodun in the wreck.  Are they the same?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes" 
Cc: "Meade Dillon" 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 4:05 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT Mercedes-Benz question (now that Dan is gone)

Anyone remember the place he linked that repaired old MB relays?  The 
KLIMA

relay for my '95 sedan has decided to get flaky again, and it is starting
to get old: stopping to open the hood to fiddle with the relay to get the
AC working, that is.
-
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs


It is not a fixed sum game.   I'll take a stab at explaining.

In 1980, when RR was elected, the GDP was about 1.6 trillion per 
quarter.  The gooberment spent about 325 Billion of this amount.  (or 
about 20%)


In 2000, when W was elected, The GDP was about 8.9 trillion per 
quarter.  The gooberment spent 1.5 trillion of this. (or about 16%)

http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#reqid=9&step=3&isuri=1&903=10

So in the span of 20 years, the US economy grew roughly 6 fold.  This 
growth was the result of the RR policies, and the "contract with 
America" of 1994.


in 2016, the GDP is roughly 16.5 trillion per quarter.  The goobermnt 
spent about 2.9 billion of this. (or about 17%)

http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#reqid=9&step=3&isuri=1&903=6
so, in the last 16 years, rather than growing 5 fold, the economy has 
been choked, and grew only 2 fold.


Here are the questions for you to answer:  (Yep it is homework)
1.  What is the current national debt?
2.  What would the quarterly GDP be in 2016, if the GDP had grown at the 
rate of 6 fold in 20 years?
3. What would the gooberment's share of that be, if we limited the 
goobermnt to 17% of the GDP (per quarter)?
4.  How many years would it take to pay off the national debt if the 
difference between the actual gooberment expenditures and the amount the 
goobermnt would have taken in was applied to reduce the national debt?


5.  If that difference were applied to Social Insecurity, where the 
average payment is now $1200/mo, (rather an applied to paying down the 
national debt) what would the average monthly payment be now?


I await answers from the group.

As you research and determine answers to these 5 simple questions, it 
will become obvious how much damage has been done in the last 8/16 years.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
August 8, 2016 at 4:38 PM
So Roger, show me a plan from Trump that makes sense. How is it 
possible to lower taxes, spend more AND balance the budget. Maybe I'm 
not smart enough to understand that.

-Curt

From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
To: "List, Mercedes" 
Cc: roger...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Curt, maybe you and Andrew can form a club, maybe called the Rose 
Colored Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low 
intelligence and your own personal massive intellect. Next time I have 
a tough decision, I'll consult you and then do just the opposite :-)) 
I only hope your sick on election day and can't vote. Nothing serious, 
maybe just diarrhea or some such to keep you home.

Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
August 8, 2016 at 4:07 PM
Curt, maybe you and Andrew can form a club, maybe called the Rose 
Colored Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low 
intelligence and your own personal massive intellect. Next time I have 
a tough decision, I'll consult you and then do just the opposite :-)) 
I only hope your sick on election day and can't vote. Nothing serious, 
maybe just diarrhea or some such to keep you home.

Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] OT2?: political signs

The executive board gives the shareholders an idea of the plan. The employees 
get to have insight into the plan. In my experience big customers tend to get 
let in on the plan. We the people should know the plan in advance. Otherwise 
its "trust me" which I don't for basically anybody.
Besides if he had a great plan he'd be telling everybody in detail. I recognize 
that most politicians don't give much detail but Trump gives zero.
I heard him today talking about how we're going to use more coal and steel, 
doesn't say for what. Doesn't seem to care that renewable energy has as many 
workers as coal. He also says he's the candidate of the future but his future 
sounds to me like the 1950s.

-Curt

  From: Mountain Man 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 6:08 PM
 Subject: OT2?: political signs
   
Curt wrote:
> So Roger, show me a plan from Trump that makes sense...

Business people do not show their plans - they want to stay in business?
Politics is not business - maybe it should be.
Does the constitution establish preference for political class?
Does the constitution establish need for political experience?
mao


   
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

BTW did you notice I'm not a Hillary supporter?
Something I find interesting in some folks who support either Hillary or Trump 
is that they only listen to part of every sentence. Once they hear you're not 
supporting their candidate they stop listening and start formulating their next 
sentence. Politics has become talking, not discussion. For discussion you have 
to listen...
-Curt

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Cc: roger...@comcast.net
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 5:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Curt, maybe you and Andrew can form a club, maybe called the Rose Colored 
Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low intelligence and your 
own personal massive intellect. Next time I have a tough decision, I'll consult 
you and then do just the opposite :-)) I only hope your sick on election day 
and can't vote. Nothing serious, maybe just diarrhea or some such to keep you 
home. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 

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[MBZ] OT2?: political signs

Curt wrote:
> So Roger, show me a plan from Trump that makes sense...

Business people do not show their plans - they want to stay in business?
Politics is not business - maybe it should be.
Does the constitution establish preference for political class?
Does the constitution establish need for political experience?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

So Roger, show me a plan from Trump that makes sense. How is it possible to 
lower taxes, spend more AND balance the budget. Maybe I'm not smart enough to 
understand that.
-Curt

  From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
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Cc: roger...@comcast.net
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 5:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Curt, maybe you and Andrew can form a club, maybe called the Rose Colored 
Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low intelligence and your 
own personal massive intellect. Next time I have a tough decision, I'll consult 
you and then do just the opposite :-)) I only hope your sick on election day 
and can't vote. Nothing serious, maybe just diarrhea or some such to keep you 
home. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

We invaded Iraq the day after I bought my '83 240D. I remember sitting in a 
hotel room watching TV and thinking "If we get out of this in a decade it'll be 
a miracle." 13 years later I'm thinking "If we get out in a decade it'd be a 
miracle"...
-Curt

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 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 3:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

> On August 8, 2016 at 1:47 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> If we'd had a D congress in 2003 we might not have gone into Iraq. Its when
> one party is in control that things go badly...

Probably would have anyway. It had 40% support from Dems and 97% support from
Republicans. 
That says to me a House of 80% Dems and 20% Rs would have been pretty evenly
split. Even I thought we needed to finish what GHWB left undone there. But
mostly, we managed to prove that not invading Iraq was one of the smarter things
GHWB did. (and not telling Saddam "if you mess with Kuwait, we'll kick your ass
into the Dark Ages" in clear and convincing language was still one of the dumber
things from the GHWB administration)
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2002/h455

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mercedes-Benz question (now that Dan is gone)

So I just mail the relay to "Boca Rathole FL" with a check?  Too easy!

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On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> They are in Boca rathole, FL
>
> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>> August 8, 2016 at 3:05 PM
>>
>> Anyone remember the place he linked that repaired old MB relays? The KLIMA
>> relay for my '95 sedan has decided to get flaky again, and it is starting
>> to get old: stopping to open the hood to fiddle with the relay to get the
>> AC working, that is.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mercedes-Benz question (now that Dan is gone)


read more than the first line!

Quote:

OnMon, Aug 8, 2016  at 4:18 PM,  Curley McLain via Mercedes<
mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:



He who?

http://www.programainc.com   They are in FL.


End quote

Otherwise, try http://www.programainc.com/default.aspx   This is the 
third email with the URL, Andrew




Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
August 8, 2016 at 4:10 PM
So I just mail the relay to "Boca Rathole FL" with a check? Too easy!

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Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
August 8, 2016 at 3:05 PM
Anyone remember the place he linked that repaired old MB relays? The KLIMA
relay for my '95 sedan has decided to get flaky again, and it is starting
to get old: stopping to open the hood to fiddle with the relay to get the
AC working, that is.
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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mercedes-Benz question

That's it, thanks!

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> http://www.programainc.com/default.aspx
>
>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>> August 8, 2016 at 4:09 PM
>> Ooops, "he" = Dan (Mercedes Martha Stewart).
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Now now, we are ALL going to have diarrhea before this thing is over, I
fear

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On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:07 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Curt, maybe you and Andrew can form a club, maybe called the Rose Colored
> Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low intelligence and
> your own personal massive intellect. Next time I have a tough decision,
> I'll consult you and then do just the opposite :-)) I only hope your sick
> on election day and can't vote. Nothing serious, maybe just diarrhea or
> some such to keep you home.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mercedes-Benz question


http://www.programainc.com/default.aspx

Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
August 8, 2016 at 4:09 PM
Ooops, "he" = Dan (Mercedes Martha Stewart).

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mercedes-Benz question

Ooops, "he" = Dan (Mercedes Martha Stewart).

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On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> He who?
>
> http://www.programainc.com  They are in FL.
>
>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>> August 8, 2016 at 3:05 PM
>> Anyone remember the place he linked that repaired old MB relays? The KLIMA
>> relay for my '95 sedan has decided to get flaky again, and it is starting
>> to get old: stopping to open the hood to fiddle with the relay to get the
>> AC working, that is.
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>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

2016-08-08 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes

Curt, maybe you and Andrew can form a club, maybe called the Rose Colored 
Glasses club. And I'm glad to know of your father's low intelligence and your 
own personal massive intellect. Next time I have a tough decision, I'll consult 
you and then do just the opposite :-)) I only hope your sick on election day 
and can't vote. Nothing serious, maybe just diarrhea or some such to keep you 
home. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT Mercedes-Benz question (now that Dan is gone)


They are in Boca rathole, FL


Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
August 8, 2016 at 3:05 PM
Anyone remember the place he linked that repaired old MB relays? The KLIMA
relay for my '95 sedan has decided to get flaky again, and it is starting
to get old: stopping to open the hood to fiddle with the relay to get the
AC working, that is.
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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] My new $500 124 Convertible

Better get it running first!

Meade Dillon via Mercedes
August 8, 2016 at 3:03 PM
Thanks, I've saved that down to my 'puter. Also thanks for the other
links.

Convertible top operation and repair: Finding lots of good info at
Benzworld in the 124 DIY stickies.

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Curley McLain
August 7, 2016 at 4:23 PM
Cautions on COP stuff:
http://www.w124performance.com/service/w124CD1/Program/Engine/104/Engine%20104%20Combustion%20I/General%20Notes.pdf

Max Dillon via Mercedes
August 6, 2016 at 10:56 PM
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bxk8a928B3RxcFhMVjNrLUYzOHM

Spotted this Thursday, SWMBO was interested, so today I recruited
Floyd to take a look with me. It's a 1995 E320 convertible, white with
grey interior.

This car DIDN'T run when parked a couple years ago!

Long story, basically owner died while car was at shop, shop sat on
car, finally shop moved locations and abandoned car gets towed, tow
truck company owner gets title, now tow truck co. owner decides to
dump it, three weeks after posting it on Craig's list I call, and a
few hours later we have a deal.

Supposedly the car needed a fuel pump and some repair to the gear
shift linkage, when it was delivered to the shop.

Now it needs a lot more work! Drivers window has been down for two
years, and that is just the start. Convertible top is probably
inoperable. Center console is torn up pretty bad, probably from when
the "mechanic" was "diagnosing" the linkage. Ignition cylinder is all
jacked up, and the keys are missing. Engine coolant tank was empty,
and there was a partial jug of pre-mixed coolant in the trunk. Engine
oil looked normal, so I don't think the engine has a blown head
gasket, but that is yet to be determined.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs, taking the measure

2016-08-08 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> Floyd wrote:
> 
> Speaking of Johnsons, my Big Johnson tape measures I have been in
> love with for years have reached the ends of their useful lives.

> These are by far the best tapes I have ever used, and have a belt
> clip that is very easy to use.
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121789676960
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121692869626
> 
> These things are great, I should look into importing them and
> selling them on-line or somehow.

Hmm. Metric only?   Metric and Imperial?  In the picture, all I can
see is metric.

How does it lock?  I happen to not like the the style that is
always lock and a button is pushed to allow retracting. 

Some other tape measures I have NOT used but have both
metric and Imperial

Starrett KTX12 - big name in precision measuring tools.





> --R

Ah!  Your slip shows. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mercedes-Benz question


He who?

http://www.programainc.com  They are in FL.

Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
August 8, 2016 at 3:05 PM
Anyone remember the place he linked that repaired old MB relays? The KLIMA
relay for my '95 sedan has decided to get flaky again, and it is starting
to get old: stopping to open the hood to fiddle with the relay to get the
AC working, that is.
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Charleston SC
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[MBZ] OT Mercedes-Benz question (now that Dan is gone)

Anyone remember the place he linked that repaired old MB relays?  The KLIMA
relay for my '95 sedan has decided to get flaky again, and it is starting
to get old: stopping to open the hood to fiddle with the relay to get the
AC working, that is.
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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] My new $500 124 Convertible

Thanks, I've saved that down to my 'puter.  Also thanks for the other links.

Convertible top operation and repair: Finding lots of good info at
Benzworld in the 124 DIY stickies.

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Max
Charleston SC

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Cautions on COP stuff:  http://www.w124performance.com
> /service/w124CD1/Program/Engine/104/Engine%20104%20Combustio
> n%20I/General%20Notes.pdf
>
> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>> August 6, 2016 at 10:56 PM
>> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bxk8a928B3RxcFhMVjNrLUYzOHM
>>
>> Spotted this Thursday, SWMBO was interested, so today I recruited Floyd
>> to take a look with me. It's a 1995 E320 convertible, white with grey
>> interior.
>>
>> This car DIDN'T run when parked a couple years ago!
>>
>> Long story, basically owner died while car was at shop, shop sat on car,
>> finally shop moved locations and abandoned car gets towed, tow truck
>> company owner gets title, now tow truck co. owner decides to dump it, three
>> weeks after posting it on Craig's list I call, and a few hours later we
>> have a deal.
>>
>> Supposedly the car needed a fuel pump and some repair to the gear shift
>> linkage, when it was delivered to the shop.
>>
>> Now it needs a lot more work! Drivers window has been down for two years,
>> and that is just the start. Convertible top is probably inoperable. Center
>> console is torn up pretty bad, probably from when the "mechanic" was
>> "diagnosing" the linkage. Ignition cylinder is all jacked up, and the keys
>> are missing. Engine coolant tank was empty, and there was a partial jug of
>> pre-mixed coolant in the trunk. Engine oil looked normal, so I don't think
>> the engine has a blown head gasket, but that is yet to be determined.
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Might have been blackmailed or they threatened his family

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 3:52 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Probably?
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
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> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 1:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
>
>
> Anyone who voluntarily returns to Iran is probably nuts.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Meanwhile, we have the first confirmed death directly tied to Hillary's
>>> "What difference does it make" home-brew email server  I guess wiping
>>> it with a cloth and lying through her teeth were not enough to save one
>>> of
>>> the little people.  I'm wondering if his family (in Iran) would be able
>>> to
>>> bring a civil suit against Hillary for the death?
>>>
>>> http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cotton-clinton-discussed-
>>> executed-iranian-scientist-on-email/article/2598807
>>>
>>>
>>> Neither one is "qualified" for the job, we shall find out in November
>>> which
>>> one prevails...
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Probably?

Wilton

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From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" ; "Meade Dillon" 

Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Anyone who voluntarily returns to Iran is probably nuts.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Meanwhile, we have the first confirmed death directly tied to Hillary's
"What difference does it make" home-brew email server  I guess wiping
it with a cloth and lying through her teeth were not enough to save one 
of
the little people.  I'm wondering if his family (in Iran) would be able 
to

bring a civil suit against Hillary for the death?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cotton-clinton-discussed-
executed-iranian-scientist-on-email/article/2598807

Neither one is "qualified" for the job, we shall find out in November 
which

one prevails...

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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Nobody else does, either - loose canon.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
To: "Andrew Strasfogel" ; "Mercedes Discussion List" 

Cc: "Curt Raymond" 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

I'm making no declarations, I didn't think he'd get this far, I have no 
idea what he's going to do.

-Curt

 From: Andrew Strasfogel 
To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 

Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

So who else thinks he will renounce his candidacy and withdraw from the 
race by the end of August?
On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

The way Trump is imploding lately I'm starting to give credence to the 
idea. He's stopped announcing his poll numbers and started crowing about 
how the election is rigged...

-Curt

From: clay 
To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 

Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

For the conspiracy crowd….

Trump is being bought by H->. She needed a complete disaster to be able to 
be seen as a viable candidate. With Trump, the road to election is paved. 
He was not ever a real GOP sort. Trump cozied up to H-> and the perv for 
years. There must be a deal they struck to pay him to run and the DNC is 
playing along. See how they screwed over Bernie? The underlings went 
around screwing over the other GOP dudes so that Trump would be the only 
one left at the end of the day

clay

On Aug 8, 2016, at 6:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Trump seems to have gone out of his way to make people hate him. 
Somewhere along the line he forgot or didn't know that half the people in 
the country aren't like him and he can't win the presidency with just the 
white bigot vote.
Gary Johnson and Bill Weld are doing better than any third party 
candidate in a century. I'm hopeful.

-Curt

From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
To: "List, Mercedes" 
Cc: roger...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

My wife reads all the hearing testimony and the released emails. From 
what she passes on to me, I can only surmise that the people who are 
still supporting Hillary have their heads so far up their butts that they 
are looking out through their ears. If the establishment wants that POS 
Paul Ryan more than Trump, then the establishment republicans need to be 
dumped. Ryan is a POS in the mold of Boehner. Hillary is just a plain 
liar and a crook. If women want a female president, then at least pick a 
good female. The polls again are like statistics, you choose the sample 
and you get the results you pay for, but it doesn't mean they are 
accurate. Trump needs to keep speaking plain talk, that's what energizes 
his base, not kowtowing to advisers and media types.

Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

Another pathetic deflection.  You need to up your game, Curly.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You mean like Billayres and beradettedohrn?   We could put bummer buddies
> RvWright and crazyLooie in that group too...
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> August 8, 2016 at 2:38 PM
>> Or, how do certain individuals stay out of prison despite advocating
>> violent overthrow of the government?
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

That, too.

Wilton

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From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Curt Raymond" 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

BTW I didn't say he was a racist, I said he's a bigot, big difference.
-Curt

 From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
To: "List, Mercedes" 
Cc: roger...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Curt, I hate to break it to you, but all white people aren't bigots and 
racists. I know that line fits the liberal media mold and allows so many 
to "play the race card". I vote based upon what I believe, has nothing to 
do with racism or bigotry, and I hope you do the same. Trump is merely 
stating that the average taxpayer, not having a job, not having good 
healthcare, etc., because of the state of affairs in the current USA, is 
pissed off. If you have a good job, live in a nice neighborhood, etc, then 
you probably aren't pissed off, but a lot of people don't have thata 
lot of people of multiple colors I might add.

Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

You mean like Billayres and beradettedohrn?   We could put bummer 
buddies RvWright and crazyLooie in that group too...



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
August 8, 2016 at 2:38 PM
Or, how do certain individuals stay out of prison despite advocating
violent overthrow of the government?


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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

'Crazy as Hell.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Curt Raymond" 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Anybody with a brain can see that Trump has NO plan, you can't lower 
taxes, pay off the deficit, put more money into defense and deport 11 
million people all while maintaining social security, medicare and "taking 
care of everybody". Thats the kind of plan somebody thats been bankrupt 4 
times would come up with.

Trump hasn't got one idea that could actually be accomplished, all he's 
doing is playing off the fears of the mindless many.

-Curt

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To: "List, Mercedes" 
Cc: roger...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Curt, I hate to break it to you, but all white people aren't bigots and 
racists. I know that line fits the liberal media mold and allows so many 
to "play the race card". I vote based upon what I believe, has nothing to 
do with racism or bigotry, and I hope you do the same. Trump is merely 
stating that the average taxpayer, not having a job, not having good 
healthcare, etc., because of the state of affairs in the current USA, is 
pissed off. If you have a good job, live in a nice neighborhood, etc, then 
you probably aren't pissed off, but a lot of people don't have thata 
lot of people of multiple colors I might add.

Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

> On August 8, 2016 at 1:47 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> If we'd had a D congress in 2003 we might not have gone into Iraq. Its when
> one party is in control that things go badly...

Probably would have anyway. It had 40% support from Dems and 97% support from
Republicans. 
That says to me a House of 80% Dems and 20% Rs would have been pretty evenly
split. Even I thought we needed to finish what GHWB left undone there. But
mostly, we managed to prove that not invading Iraq was one of the smarter things
GHWB did. (and not telling Saddam "if you mess with Kuwait, we'll kick your ass
into the Dark Ages" in clear and convincing language was still one of the dumber
things from the GHWB administration)
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2002/h455

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

Grant wrote:
> It seems the makings of a perfect storm have arrived... the question is..
> how can we revert to civilization without having the pending violence.

How about Turkey?
Call it falseflag or small venue implementation of plans.
Turkey is a nice country not unlike the States, political democracy.
Same festering type politic is real in Turkey as has been being
generated in US.  Try a little bit of overthrow, quash it, see how it
plays in public eye.  It doesn't play.  Turkey and US are not
unlike... maybe?  democracy, unrest, expectations...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

Or, how do certain individuals stay out of prison despite advocating
violent overthrow of the government?

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 2:39 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> OK... so when do the public ass whoopings start?
>
> Seems our leader, whose only published talent is "community agitator"
> couched in political correct as "community organizer" has been successful
> in 7 years of getting Citizens pissed off at each other..
>
> Such rabble rousing always results in violent conflicts, as we have seen
> with the resent assaults on police officers.
>
> It seems the makings of a perfect storm have arrived... the question is..
> how can we revert to civilization without having the pending violence.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > As you read this, you must remember that the "news" is simply propaganda
> > from the (J) party.
> >
> > So this story is reporting that the (J) party propaganda is making the
> > dumb masses angry on purpose.Same tactic used by Lenin to overthrow
> the
> > ruskie goobermnt.  This all fits with the real (mostly hidden) agenda of
> > the (J) party (AKA Mar xist party)
> >
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >> January 7, 2016 at 9:50 AM
> >> 
> >>
> >> - By: Kevin Mathews 
> >> - January 6, 2016
> >>
> >>
> >> - About Kevin 
> >>
> >> It seems every time I scroll through the latest news stories, I can’t
> >> prevent my blood from starting to boil. With all of the injustices in
> the
> >> world, I imagine many Care2 readers can’t help but get angry. If it’s
> any
> >> comfort, we’re not alone in experiencing this news-related rage. A new
> >> Esquire
> >> & NBC News poll
> >> 
> >> found that Americans are angrier than they’ve been in a long time.
> >>
> >> This sense of rage is coming on quickly, no less. A full 50 percent of
> >> Americans report being more pissed off now than they were a year ago.
> The
> >> majority of U.S. citizens say that the news upsets them at least once a
> >> day
> >> at this point in time.
> >>
> >> Altogether, just 11 percent of people surveyed say they get angry at the
> >> news rarely or once a month. The largest share, 37 percent, report
> getting
> >> angry once a day, while 31 percent say they get heated over the news a
> few
> >> times a day. The remaining 20 percent say they feel anger on a weekly
> >> basis.
> >>
> >>
> >> The statistics on *which* demographics
> >>  >> ier-ever-220043535.html>
> >> are getting angrier are perhaps even more telling:
> >>
> >> - White people
> >> - Women
> >> - Republicans
> >> - The shrinking middle class
> >>
> >> While African Americans were most likely to get angry at headlines about
> >> police brutality and discrimination, on the whole, they still tended to
> >> get
> >> less angry than Caucasian Americans. Overall, blacks were more
> optimistic
> >> about life and still had more faith in the American dream than whites.
> >>
> >> As for white people, they were more likely to claim to be victimized by
> >> something or other. They disproportionately thought they were making
> less
> >> money than they should and blamed circumstances beyond their control for
> >> this lack of success. 21 percent of white men were angry at the
> >> mistreatment they claim to suffer in this country.
> >>
> >> Researched chalked up women’s heightened anger to them having a greater
> >> sense of empathy. Women were more likely to feel bad when people other
> >> than
> >> themselves were negatively impacted by the world’s injustices, therefore
> >> causing them to be angry more often.
> >>
> >> While Republicans were more likely to get angry multiple times on a
> given
> >> day, make no mistake that Democrats’ fury was on the rise, as well.
> >> However, the types of issues that upset each side don’t generally sync
> up.
> >> Is the hostile political rhetoric that has emerged in the recent
> >> presidential campaign the result of this heightened anger or are we just
> >> getting angrier because the political rhetoric is getting more hostile?
> >>
> >> For the record, I don’t think the collective anger this country is
> >> experiencing is entirely a bad thing. Sure, it’d be better if we all had
> >> nothing to be angry about, but given the issues facing the world today,
> it
> >> makes sense that people are emotionally disturbed by the news. If people
> >> weren’t angry, it’d probably indicate that they weren’t paying
> attention.
> >> The rise in anger is a sign that more people are aware of the suffering
> >> going on around them.
> >>
> >> At the same time, anger is only productive when we channel it into
> >> something better. If you read bad news and fail to take

Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Here is photographic evidence that the hag can't even go up a few 
stairs.  I recently saw a video on TV propaganda where if you watched 
the had and ignored the wwords, it was clear to see that hag could 
barely negotiate walking down 3 or 4 steps on stairs from a platform.


http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/unstable-hillary-gets-help-climbing-stairs/

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

Andrew wrote:
> What else but anger leads to beating up protesters at Trump rallies?

H shills.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Max wrote:
> Neither one is "qualified" for the job, we shall find out in November which
> one prevails...

"Qualified"?
That's the problem.  WE have been duped to think that "qualified" is needed.
I challenge that argument
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

clay wrote:
> For the conspiracy crowd….

Yep - as you said.  We are being played.
Cue transition muzak back to okiebenz... even though I like the comments here.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Curt wrote:
> Grid-lock is actually what we need, the government that governs best governs 
> least.

I like that.  Nice plan to achieve that - let's do that.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Curt wrote:
> Anybody with a brain can see that Trump has NO plan...

Trump is a person that runs a business.  Business people do NOT reveal
their plans - that is the nature of business.
...at least that is what I understand...  Ask Roger - he has a
business - Dinnerware Classics.
mao

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2016-08-08 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes

"the climate control blower motor does not kick on"

So no A/C?

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:56:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
>
> > I will deliver for cost of expenses
>
> How much for the package delivered to Moriarty, NM?
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

2016-08-08 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

OK... so when do the public ass whoopings start?

Seems our leader, whose only published talent is "community agitator"
couched in political correct as "community organizer" has been successful
in 7 years of getting Citizens pissed off at each other..

Such rabble rousing always results in violent conflicts, as we have seen
with the resent assaults on police officers.

It seems the makings of a perfect storm have arrived... the question is..
how can we revert to civilization without having the pending violence.



On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> As you read this, you must remember that the "news" is simply propaganda
> from the (J) party.
>
> So this story is reporting that the (J) party propaganda is making the
> dumb masses angry on purpose.Same tactic used by Lenin to overthrow the
> ruskie goobermnt.  This all fits with the real (mostly hidden) agenda of
> the (J) party (AKA Mar xist party)
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> January 7, 2016 at 9:50 AM
>> 
>>
>> - By: Kevin Mathews 
>> - January 6, 2016
>>
>>
>> - About Kevin 
>>
>> It seems every time I scroll through the latest news stories, I can’t
>> prevent my blood from starting to boil. With all of the injustices in the
>> world, I imagine many Care2 readers can’t help but get angry. If it’s any
>> comfort, we’re not alone in experiencing this news-related rage. A new
>> Esquire
>> & NBC News poll
>> 
>> found that Americans are angrier than they’ve been in a long time.
>>
>> This sense of rage is coming on quickly, no less. A full 50 percent of
>> Americans report being more pissed off now than they were a year ago. The
>> majority of U.S. citizens say that the news upsets them at least once a
>> day
>> at this point in time.
>>
>> Altogether, just 11 percent of people surveyed say they get angry at the
>> news rarely or once a month. The largest share, 37 percent, report getting
>> angry once a day, while 31 percent say they get heated over the news a few
>> times a day. The remaining 20 percent say they feel anger on a weekly
>> basis.
>>
>>
>> The statistics on *which* demographics
>> > ier-ever-220043535.html>
>> are getting angrier are perhaps even more telling:
>>
>> - White people
>> - Women
>> - Republicans
>> - The shrinking middle class
>>
>> While African Americans were most likely to get angry at headlines about
>> police brutality and discrimination, on the whole, they still tended to
>> get
>> less angry than Caucasian Americans. Overall, blacks were more optimistic
>> about life and still had more faith in the American dream than whites.
>>
>> As for white people, they were more likely to claim to be victimized by
>> something or other. They disproportionately thought they were making less
>> money than they should and blamed circumstances beyond their control for
>> this lack of success. 21 percent of white men were angry at the
>> mistreatment they claim to suffer in this country.
>>
>> Researched chalked up women’s heightened anger to them having a greater
>> sense of empathy. Women were more likely to feel bad when people other
>> than
>> themselves were negatively impacted by the world’s injustices, therefore
>> causing them to be angry more often.
>>
>> While Republicans were more likely to get angry multiple times on a given
>> day, make no mistake that Democrats’ fury was on the rise, as well.
>> However, the types of issues that upset each side don’t generally sync up.
>> Is the hostile political rhetoric that has emerged in the recent
>> presidential campaign the result of this heightened anger or are we just
>> getting angrier because the political rhetoric is getting more hostile?
>>
>> For the record, I don’t think the collective anger this country is
>> experiencing is entirely a bad thing. Sure, it’d be better if we all had
>> nothing to be angry about, but given the issues facing the world today, it
>> makes sense that people are emotionally disturbed by the news. If people
>> weren’t angry, it’d probably indicate that they weren’t paying attention.
>> The rise in anger is a sign that more people are aware of the suffering
>> going on around them.
>>
>> At the same time, anger is only productive when we channel it into
>> something better. If you read bad news and fail to take action, then
>> you’re
>> just another negative person in a negative world. If you devote time to
>> trying to fix the injustices you hear about, then that anger is at least
>> worthwhile since it inspires a step toward making the world a more
>> positive
>> place.
>>
>> When I’m feeling really pissed off, I like to sign online petitions
>>  hoping that

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2016-08-08 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:56:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> I will deliver for cost of expenses 

How much for the package delivered to Moriarty, NM?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

Protestors at Trump rallies kind of deserve what they get. You see an angry dog 
on the street and you get bit by it you deserved to get bit. You go protest at 
a Trump rally, something is gonna happen and I bet they aren't going to bake 
you cookies.
Garrison Keillor had it right when Bush got elected, Republicans send hate 
mail. Democrats send "I'm disappointed in you" mail.
-Curt

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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 2:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms
   
What else but anger leads to beating up protesters at Trump rallies?

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hear Here!
>
> G Mann via Mercedes 
>> January 7, 2016 at 12:46 PM
>> It is my observation the word "angry" is improperly applied to the
>> majority
>> of the American public. It seems more likely the word "disgusted" would be
>> more correct in encapsulation the tenure and tone of the bulk of
>> unrepresented Americans.
>>
>> News media lives by the "If it bleeds it leads" rule, so their natural
>> inclination is to select words that are an inflammatory as possible in
>> their reporting, thus also in their poll taking.
>>
>> While there are classes and colors of Americans who express how they feel
>> as "angry"... the root cause is really "disgust", because their
>> expectations are not being met.
>>
>> This "disgust" is expressed by the "politically correct" crowd in passive
>> aggressive wording carefully crafted to appear not to insult those they
>> wish to insult and chastise. This disingenuous verb-age serves to further
>> disgust anyone who feels differently, thus further widening the gap of
>> good
>> communication.
>>
>> We now have, as a society, become quite dysfunctional in expressing our
>> "disgust" at how others are acting, and have progressively lost the
>> ability
>> to communicate plainly, which, by necessity, often results in one person
>> or
>> group telling another person or group, in plain language, to "get the hell
>> off my lawn".
>>
>> It is my considered opine that good social order requires boundaries and
>> limits. Our present practices of social order routinely insults the
>> established boundaries and limits. Those insults are carried further and
>> deeper by the passive aggressive political correct responses now practiced
>> by a select few who have self appointed themselves as sole arbiters of
>> society mores.
>>
>> Which disgusts me. A lot.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

What else but anger leads to beating up protesters at Trump rallies?

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hear Here!
>
> G Mann via Mercedes 
>> January 7, 2016 at 12:46 PM
>> It is my observation the word "angry" is improperly applied to the
>> majority
>> of the American public. It seems more likely the word "disgusted" would be
>> more correct in encapsulation the tenure and tone of the bulk of
>> unrepresented Americans.
>>
>> News media lives by the "If it bleeds it leads" rule, so their natural
>> inclination is to select words that are an inflammatory as possible in
>> their reporting, thus also in their poll taking.
>>
>> While there are classes and colors of Americans who express how they feel
>> as "angry"... the root cause is really "disgust", because their
>> expectations are not being met.
>>
>> This "disgust" is expressed by the "politically correct" crowd in passive
>> aggressive wording carefully crafted to appear not to insult those they
>> wish to insult and chastise. This disingenuous verb-age serves to further
>> disgust anyone who feels differently, thus further widening the gap of
>> good
>> communication.
>>
>> We now have, as a society, become quite dysfunctional in expressing our
>> "disgust" at how others are acting, and have progressively lost the
>> ability
>> to communicate plainly, which, by necessity, often results in one person
>> or
>> group telling another person or group, in plain language, to "get the hell
>> off my lawn".
>>
>> It is my considered opine that good social order requires boundaries and
>> limits. Our present practices of social order routinely insults the
>> established boundaries and limits. Those insults are carried further and
>> deeper by the passive aggressive political correct responses now practiced
>> by a select few who have self appointed themselves as sole arbiters of
>> society mores.
>>
>> Which disgusts me. A lot.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms


Hear Here!


G Mann via Mercedes 
January 7, 2016 at 12:46 PM
It is my observation the word "angry" is improperly applied to the 
majority

of the American public. It seems more likely the word "disgusted" would be
more correct in encapsulation the tenure and tone of the bulk of
unrepresented Americans.

News media lives by the "If it bleeds it leads" rule, so their natural
inclination is to select words that are an inflammatory as possible in
their reporting, thus also in their poll taking.

While there are classes and colors of Americans who express how they feel
as "angry"... the root cause is really "disgust", because their
expectations are not being met.

This "disgust" is expressed by the "politically correct" crowd in passive
aggressive wording carefully crafted to appear not to insult those they
wish to insult and chastise. This disingenuous verb-age serves to further
disgust anyone who feels differently, thus further widening the gap of 
good

communication.

We now have, as a society, become quite dysfunctional in expressing our
"disgust" at how others are acting, and have progressively lost the 
ability
to communicate plainly, which, by necessity, often results in one 
person or

group telling another person or group, in plain language, to "get the hell
off my lawn".

It is my considered opine that good social order requires boundaries and
limits. Our present practices of social order routinely insults the
established boundaries and limits. Those insults are carried further and
deeper by the passive aggressive political correct responses now practiced
by a select few who have self appointed themselves as sole arbiters of
society mores.

Which disgusts me. A lot.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Politics are making us angrier than usual, poll confirms

As you read this, you must remember that the "news" is simply propaganda
from the (J) party.

So this story is reporting that the (J) party propaganda is making the
dumb masses angry on purpose.Same tactic used by Lenin to overthrow
the ruskie goobermnt. This all fits with the real (mostly hidden)
agenda of the (J) party (AKA Mar xist party)

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
January 7, 2016 at 9:50 AM

- By: Kevin Mathews
- January 6, 2016

- About Kevin

It seems every time I scroll through the latest news stories, I can’t
prevent my blood from starting to boil. With all of the injustices in the
world, I imagine many Care2 readers can’t help but get angry. If it’s any
comfort, we’re not alone in experiencing this news-related rage. A new
Esquire

& NBC News poll

found that Americans are angrier than they’ve been in a long time.

This sense of rage is coming on quickly, no less. A full 50 percent of
Americans report being more pissed off now than they were a year ago. The
majority of U.S. citizens say that the news upsets them at least once
a day

at this point in time.

Altogether, just 11 percent of people surveyed say they get angry at the
news rarely or once a month. The largest share, 37 percent, report getting
angry once a day, while 31 percent say they get heated over the news a few
times a day. The remaining 20 percent say they feel anger on a weekly
basis.

The statistics on *which* demographics

are getting angrier are perhaps even more telling:

- White people
- Women
- Republicans
- The shrinking middle class

While African Americans were most likely to get angry at headlines about
police brutality and discrimination, on the whole, they still tended
to get

less angry than Caucasian Americans. Overall, blacks were more optimistic
about life and still had more faith in the American dream than whites.

As for white people, they were more likely to claim to be victimized by
something or other. They disproportionately thought they were making less
money than they should and blamed circumstances beyond their control for
this lack of success. 21 percent of white men were angry at the
mistreatment they claim to suffer in this country.

Researched chalked up women’s heightened anger to them having a greater
sense of empathy. Women were more likely to feel bad when people other
than

themselves were negatively impacted by the world’s injustices, therefore
causing them to be angry more often.

While Republicans were more likely to get angry multiple times on a given
day, make no mistake that Democrats’ fury was on the rise, as well.
However, the types of issues that upset each side don’t generally sync up.
Is the hostile political rhetoric that has emerged in the recent
presidential campaign the result of this heightened anger or are we just
getting angrier because the political rhetoric is getting more hostile?

For the record, I don’t think the collective anger this country is
experiencing is entirely a bad thing. Sure, it’d be better if we all had
nothing to be angry about, but given the issues facing the world today, it
makes sense that people are emotionally disturbed by the news. If people
weren’t angry, it’d probably indicate that they weren’t paying attention.
The rise in anger is a sign that more people are aware of the suffering
going on around them.

At the same time, anger is only productive when we channel it into
something better. If you read bad news and fail to take action, then
you’re

just another negative person in a negative world. If you devote time to
trying to fix the injustices you hear about, then that anger is at least
worthwhile since it inspires a step toward making the world a more
positive

place.

When I’m feeling really pissed off, I like to sign online petitions
hoping that my voice and name will help
to bring about some positive change. What are some of the ways you try to
channel your anger into something positive? Share with the Care2 community
in the comments.

Read more:
http://www.care2.com/causes/politics-are-making-us-angrier-than-usual-poll-confirms.html#ixzz3wZeXPv12
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Seriously - it is a VERY nice looking and affordable car.

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I will deliver for cost of expenses 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Anyone who voluntarily returns to Iran is probably nuts.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> Meanwhile, we have the first confirmed death directly tied to Hillary's
> "What difference does it make" home-brew email server  I guess wiping
> it with a cloth and lying through her teeth were not enough to save one of
> the little people.  I'm wondering if his family (in Iran) would be able to
> bring a civil suit against Hillary for the death?
>
> http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cotton-clinton-discussed-
> executed-iranian-scientist-on-email/article/2598807
>
>
> Neither one is "qualified" for the job, we shall find out in November which
> one prevails...
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

Meanwhile, we have the first confirmed death directly tied to Hillary's
"What difference does it make" home-brew email server  I guess wiping
it with a cloth and lying through her teeth were not enough to save one of
the little people.  I'm wondering if his family (in Iran) would be able to
bring a civil suit against Hillary for the death?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cotton-clinton-discussed-executed-iranian-scientist-on-email/article/2598807


Neither one is "qualified" for the job, we shall find out in November which
one prevails...

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

I'm making no declarations, I didn't think he'd get this far, I have no idea 
what he's going to do.
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 1:53 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
   
So who else thinks he will renounce his candidacy and withdraw from the race by 
the end of August?
On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

The way Trump is imploding lately I'm starting to give credence to the idea. 
He's stopped announcing his poll numbers and started crowing about how the 
election is rigged...

-Curt

      From: clay 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 

 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 1:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

For the conspiracy crowd….

Trump  is being bought by H->.  She needed a complete disaster to be able to be 
seen as a viable candidate.  With Trump, the road to election is paved.  He was 
not ever a real GOP sort.  Trump cozied up to H-> and the perv for years.  
There must be a deal they struck to pay him to run and the DNC is playing 
along.  See how they screwed over Bernie?  The underlings went around screwing 
over the other GOP dudes so that Trump would be the only one left at the end of 
the day

clay

> On Aug 8, 2016, at 6:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
>
> Trump seems to have gone out of his way to make people hate him. Somewhere 
> along the line he forgot or didn't know that half the people in the country 
> aren't like him and he can't win the presidency with just the white bigot 
> vote.
> Gary Johnson and Bill Weld are doing better than any third party candidate in 
> a century. I'm hopeful.
> -Curt
>
>      From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
> To: "List, Mercedes" 
> Cc: roger...@comcast.net
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 9:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
>
> My wife reads all the hearing testimony and the released emails. From what 
> she passes on to me, I can only surmise that the people who are still 
> supporting Hillary have their heads so far up their butts that they are 
> looking out through their ears. If the establishment wants that POS Paul Ryan 
> more than Trump, then the establishment republicans need to be dumped. Ryan 
> is a POS in the mold of Boehner. Hillary is just a plain liar and a crook. If 
> women want a female president, then at least pick a good female. The polls 
> again are like statistics, you choose the sample and you get the results you 
> pay for, but it doesn't mean they are accurate. Trump needs to keep speaking 
> plain talk, that's what energizes his base, not kowtowing to advisers and 
> media types.
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

So who else thinks he will renounce his candidacy and withdraw from the
race by the end of August?

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The way Trump is imploding lately I'm starting to give credence to the
> idea. He's stopped announcing his poll numbers and started crowing about
> how the election is rigged...
>
> -Curt
>
>   From: clay 
>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 1:49 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
>
> For the conspiracy crowd….
>
> Trump  is being bought by H->.  She needed a complete disaster to be able
> to be seen as a viable candidate.  With Trump, the road to election is
> paved.  He was not ever a real GOP sort.  Trump cozied up to H-> and the
> perv for years.  There must be a deal they struck to pay him to run and the
> DNC is playing along.  See how they screwed over Bernie?  The underlings
> went around screwing over the other GOP dudes so that Trump would be the
> only one left at the end of the day
>
> clay
>
> > On Aug 8, 2016, at 6:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Trump seems to have gone out of his way to make people hate him.
> Somewhere along the line he forgot or didn't know that half the people in
> the country aren't like him and he can't win the presidency with just the
> white bigot vote.
> > Gary Johnson and Bill Weld are doing better than any third party
> candidate in a century. I'm hopeful.
> > -Curt
> >
> >  From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
> > To: "List, Mercedes" 
> > Cc: roger...@comcast.net
> > Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 9:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
> >
> > My wife reads all the hearing testimony and the released emails. From
> what she passes on to me, I can only surmise that the people who are still
> supporting Hillary have their heads so far up their butts that they are
> looking out through their ears. If the establishment wants that POS Paul
> Ryan more than Trump, then the establishment republicans need to be dumped.
> Ryan is a POS in the mold of Boehner. Hillary is just a plain liar and a
> crook. If women want a female president, then at least pick a good female.
> The polls again are like statistics, you choose the sample and you get the
> results you pay for, but it doesn't mean they are accurate. Trump needs to
> keep speaking plain talk, that's what energizes his base, not kowtowing to
> advisers and media types.
> > Best Wishes,
> > Roger
> > Roger Hale
> > Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> > Monroe, Ga.
> > 770-267-0850
> > www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

The way Trump is imploding lately I'm starting to give credence to the idea. 
He's stopped announcing his poll numbers and started crowing about how the 
election is rigged...

-Curt

  From: clay 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 1:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
   
For the conspiracy crowd….

Trump  is being bought by H->.  She needed a complete disaster to be able to be 
seen as a viable candidate.  With Trump, the road to election is paved.  He was 
not ever a real GOP sort.  Trump cozied up to H-> and the perv for years.  
There must be a deal they struck to pay him to run and the DNC is playing 
along.  See how they screwed over Bernie?  The underlings went around screwing 
over the other GOP dudes so that Trump would be the only one left at the end of 
the day

clay

> On Aug 8, 2016, at 6:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Trump seems to have gone out of his way to make people hate him. Somewhere 
> along the line he forgot or didn't know that half the people in the country 
> aren't like him and he can't win the presidency with just the white bigot 
> vote.
> Gary Johnson and Bill Weld are doing better than any third party candidate in 
> a century. I'm hopeful.
> -Curt
> 
>      From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
> To: "List, Mercedes"  
> Cc: roger...@comcast.net
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 9:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
> 
> My wife reads all the hearing testimony and the released emails. From what 
> she passes on to me, I can only surmise that the people who are still 
> supporting Hillary have their heads so far up their butts that they are 
> looking out through their ears. If the establishment wants that POS Paul Ryan 
> more than Trump, then the establishment republicans need to be dumped. Ryan 
> is a POS in the mold of Boehner. Hillary is just a plain liar and a crook. If 
> women want a female president, then at least pick a good female. The polls 
> again are like statistics, you choose the sample and you get the results you 
> pay for, but it doesn't mean they are accurate. Trump needs to keep speaking 
> plain talk, that's what energizes his base, not kowtowing to advisers and 
> media types. 
> Best Wishes, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs, taking the measure

Back when American tool companies made stuff in USA, I always preferred Lufkin
tapes to Stanley Powerlock. The rocker switch lock on the Lufkin didn't make the
blade creep back 1/8", and the Lufkin had a rubber bumper pad where the blade
hook hit upon retracting. 
The ones I bought in the 1980s looked like this:
http://www.lufkintool.com/tapes/tape-measures/lufkin-hv420-1-x-20-hi-viz-r-orange-power-return-tape-measure.html

Lufkin now has 1 3/16" tapes, stand erect to 10' instead of 7', but I can see
where that English tape has some advantages too:
http://www.lufkintool.com/tapes/tape-measures/lufkin-xl8525d-1-3-16-x-25-power-return-tape-measure-engineers-orange-case-cushion-grip.html

> On August 8, 2016 at 12:02 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Speaking of Johnsons, my Big Johnson tape measures I have been in love 
> with for years have reached the ends of their useful lives.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

2016-08-08 Thread clay via Mercedes

For the conspiracy crowd….

Trump  is being bought by H->.  She needed a complete disaster to be able to be 
seen as a viable candidate.  With Trump, the road to election is paved.  He was 
not ever a real GOP sort.  Trump cozied up to H-> and the perv for years.  
There must be a deal they struck to pay him to run and the DNC is playing 
along.  See how they screwed over Bernie?  The underlings went around screwing 
over the other GOP dudes so that Trump would be the only one left at the end of 
the day

clay

> On Aug 8, 2016, at 6:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Trump seems to have gone out of his way to make people hate him. Somewhere 
> along the line he forgot or didn't know that half the people in the country 
> aren't like him and he can't win the presidency with just the white bigot 
> vote.
> Gary Johnson and Bill Weld are doing better than any third party candidate in 
> a century. I'm hopeful.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
> To: "List, Mercedes"  
> Cc: roger...@comcast.net
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 9:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
> 
> My wife reads all the hearing testimony and the released emails. From what 
> she passes on to me, I can only surmise that the people who are still 
> supporting Hillary have their heads so far up their butts that they are 
> looking out through their ears. If the establishment wants that POS Paul Ryan 
> more than Trump, then the establishment republicans need to be dumped. Ryan 
> is a POS in the mold of Boehner. Hillary is just a plain liar and a crook. If 
> women want a female president, then at least pick a good female. The polls 
> again are like statistics, you choose the sample and you get the results you 
> pay for, but it doesn't mean they are accurate. Trump needs to keep speaking 
> plain talk, that's what energizes his base, not kowtowing to advisers and 
> media types. 
> Best Wishes, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

I think Hillary has a plan where the numbers have a reasonable chance to add 
up, its pie in the sky of course but rooted in reality. Trump basically has no 
plan since three of our economies couldn't make it work.
The thing the democrats seem to see better than the Republicans is that you 
can't "start over" because you can't STOP. This is not auto mechanics, its 
heart surgery, you have to do it while the patient is alive. Thats my argument 
against the repeated "repeal Obamacare" votes, other than wasting time you 
can't repeal and replace because you need to structure first. I would accept 
"incremental modification" which is the only way it could possibly have a hope 
of working but of course that doesn't work in sound bites...
Regulation and stupid tax policy comes from both sides. When you get right down 
to it the two parties (the parties mind you, ignoring the candidates) differ 
only in what exactly they want to screw up...
Grid-lock is actually what we need, the government that governs best governs 
least. If we'd had an R congress in 2008 we wouldn't have Obamacare. If we'd 
had a D congress in 2003 we might not have gone into Iraq. Its when one party 
is in control that things go badly...
-Curt

  From: Meade Dillon 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 1:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
   
Curt, do you think Hillary's plan (more of Obama's plan) will somehow work this 
time, because   Yes Trump is playing on fear, which is very real for a big 
part of the population.  Trump didn't create that fear, but he certainly has 
figured out how to tap into it.  Hillary is attempting to tap into fear as 
well, fear of Trump.

Trump (as a businessman) should understand (I'm hoping) that the real key is to 
get the economy fired up and rolling again, which will generate tax revenues to 
fund his plan (which we all know is typical campaign pie-in-the-sky, as general 
and attractive-sounding as possible to his base).  Regulation and really stupid 
tax policy, which has been building for decades, are finally about to choke the 
country into bankruptcy.  Medicare and SS cannot be saved without getting the 
economy going, and I'll pick anyone over Hillary to see if they can do better 
than just picking up where Obama left off.  Remember that the house will 
probably stay Republican, so I think we'll just get continued grid-lock from 
WDC under Hillary.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Anybody with a brain can see that Trump has NO plan, you can't lower taxes, pay 
off the deficit, put more money into defense and deport 11 million people all 
while maintaining social security, medicare and "taking care of everybody". 
Thats the kind of plan somebody thats been bankrupt 4 times would come up with.

Trump hasn't got one idea that could actually be accomplished, all he's doing 
is playing off the fears of the mindless many.
-Curt
      




  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs