Re: [MBZ] OT: Boots update

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curt wrote:

> I can't remember who suggested neets foot oil with bees wax

That was me.  I still haven't mixed up a batch.

> Mixed up my regular beeswax cut about 50% with the oil. I was pleased how
> easily it works in...   The leather feels softer than before so
> at least something has happened. 

Nice!  Wax to keep out the water, oil to keep the leather happy.
I'm glad it seems to be doing something helpful.

> Maybe tomorrow I'll give them a shot, certainly Buster didn't
> like sitting inside all day today but it was blustery and
> miserable.

And that's the real test - does it keep the water out?  And is the
leather staying flexible?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boots update

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 28, 2018 at 8:42 PM archer75--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> That was what we were told in the 1950s about an event that happened in the 
> 1930s. Debating the deadliness of a drug that is no longer given to patients 
> under any circumstance is fine if you just like to debate, but I would rather 
> debate the deadliness of drugs and nutrients that are still in wide use.

I wasn't trying to debate, I was trying to stop the spread of inaccurate 
information. 
Somebody tells you 70 years ago that it killed everybody who it was 
administered to,
you tell this list, we mention it to a few others, and pretty soon an 
inaccurate story with some basis in fact is spread to another whole generation 
of people. 

But your bringing the subject up made me wonder just what the 20 year mortality 
rate was. 
Wiki says 100x increase in liver cancer, but from that I don't know if it's 1 
in 10,000 becoming 1 in 100, or 1 in 500 becoming 1 in 5...

It appears that liver cancer is about as dangerous as car crashes (around 30k 
per year in USA), so it's not an insignificant cause of death and anything that 
made it 100x worse would be really bad. 
Mitch.

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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: OT: Boots update

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Breathing is deadly. After you breath for a few decades, most everyone
dies, thus the cause of death is excessive breathing...
Modern logic in action especially, in the State of California.

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 6:25 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Anything in excess is toxic. The question is whether everything needs
> regulation/oversight, or whether we are left to our own devices to discern
> the safety of these highly advertised substances. As I read somewhere
> recently (maybe here?) "Snake oil always sells."
>
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 7:43 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > That was what we were told in the 1950s about an event that happened in
> > the 1930s. Debating the deadliness of a drug that is no longer given to
> > patients under any circumstance is fine if you just like to debate, but I
> > would rather debate the deadliness of drugs and nutrients that are still
> in
> > wide use.
> >
> > An example is green tea.
> > (Another is soy protein extract:
> > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4435388/)
> > Green tea has been drunk by millions of people for centuries and recently
> > it has been widely advertised as being of value for weight loss and other
> > conditions in the form of an extract. The average person would not think
> > that a simple ethanol extract of green tea could be deadly, but
> apparently
> > it can:
> > .
> > Abstract:
> >
> > "Green tea extract: A potential cause of acute liver failure
> >
> >  Despite the generally touted benefits of green tea as a whole, clinical
> > concern regarding its use is emerging and has been linked to its
> > concentration in multiple herbal supplements.
> >
> > Interestingly, the suspected harmful compounds are those previously
> > proposed to be advantageous for weight-loss, cancer remedy, and
> > anti-inflammatory purposes.
> >
> > Green tea extract is one of the most common herbal supplements ingested
> > worldwide and is manufactured into more than 100 different
> over-the-counter
> > products. Although traditionally considered safe, it has been linked to
> > hepatotoxicity and led to acute impending liver failure in our adolescent
> > patient. The lack of regulation and provider guidance in the use of this
> > product and dietary supplements in general is significant. We highlight
> the
> > importance of monitoring patient use of dietary supplements. (snip)
> >
> > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3746392/
> >
> > The following link shows that green tea extract is still being sold as a
> > supplement with no warnings about liver toxicity.
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-ab=green+tea+extract+safe+dosage=X=0ahUKEwiL3sm1nqreAhVE0FMKHRMCBGkQ1QIIuAEoBg=742=400
> >
> > The subject for debate is whether such sales should be stopped or allowed
> > to continue until a large number of people taking green tea extract have
> > had documented liver damage.
> > Gerry
> > ==
> > Mitch Haley via Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> > > And https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1770067/.
> > > Wiki agrees that Thorotrast was VERY dangerous, but well short of what
> > you're implying:
> > >
> > > Due to the release of alpha particles, Thorotrast was found to be
> > extremely carcinogenic. There is a high over-incidence of various cancers
> > in patients who have been treated with Thorotrast. The cancers occur some
> > years (usually 20-30) after injection of Thorotrast. The risk of
> developing
> > liver cancer (or bile duct cancer) in former Thorotrast patients has been
> > measured to be well above 100 times the risk of the rest of the
> population.
> > The risk of leukemia appears to be 20 times higher in Thorotrast
> patients.
> > >
> > >
> > > > On October 27, 2018 at 11:37 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > > One of the saddest cases of radiation poisoning in the 1930s was
> > Thorotrast.
> > > > It was an oral contrast medium that did a beautiful job of outlining
> > and diagnosing the liver. Every single patient to whom it was given died;
> > usually after about ten years of misery.
> >
> >
> >
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[MBZ] Looks like a good deal

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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: OT: Boots update

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Anything in excess is toxic. The question is whether everything needs
regulation/oversight, or whether we are left to our own devices to discern
the safety of these highly advertised substances. As I read somewhere
recently (maybe here?) "Snake oil always sells."

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 7:43 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That was what we were told in the 1950s about an event that happened in
> the 1930s. Debating the deadliness of a drug that is no longer given to
> patients under any circumstance is fine if you just like to debate, but I
> would rather debate the deadliness of drugs and nutrients that are still in
> wide use.
>
> An example is green tea.
> (Another is soy protein extract:
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4435388/)
> Green tea has been drunk by millions of people for centuries and recently
> it has been widely advertised as being of value for weight loss and other
> conditions in the form of an extract. The average person would not think
> that a simple ethanol extract of green tea could be deadly, but apparently
> it can:
> .
> Abstract:
>
> "Green tea extract: A potential cause of acute liver failure
>
>  Despite the generally touted benefits of green tea as a whole, clinical
> concern regarding its use is emerging and has been linked to its
> concentration in multiple herbal supplements.
>
> Interestingly, the suspected harmful compounds are those previously
> proposed to be advantageous for weight-loss, cancer remedy, and
> anti-inflammatory purposes.
>
> Green tea extract is one of the most common herbal supplements ingested
> worldwide and is manufactured into more than 100 different over-the-counter
> products. Although traditionally considered safe, it has been linked to
> hepatotoxicity and led to acute impending liver failure in our adolescent
> patient. The lack of regulation and provider guidance in the use of this
> product and dietary supplements in general is significant. We highlight the
> importance of monitoring patient use of dietary supplements. (snip)
>
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3746392/
>
> The following link shows that green tea extract is still being sold as a
> supplement with no warnings about liver toxicity.
>
>
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-ab=green+tea+extract+safe+dosage=X=0ahUKEwiL3sm1nqreAhVE0FMKHRMCBGkQ1QIIuAEoBg=742=400
>
> The subject for debate is whether such sales should be stopped or allowed
> to continue until a large number of people taking green tea extract have
> had documented liver damage.
> Gerry
> ==
> Mitch Haley via Mercedes  wrote:
>
> > And https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1770067/.
> > Wiki agrees that Thorotrast was VERY dangerous, but well short of what
> you're implying:
> >
> > Due to the release of alpha particles, Thorotrast was found to be
> extremely carcinogenic. There is a high over-incidence of various cancers
> in patients who have been treated with Thorotrast. The cancers occur some
> years (usually 20-30) after injection of Thorotrast. The risk of developing
> liver cancer (or bile duct cancer) in former Thorotrast patients has been
> measured to be well above 100 times the risk of the rest of the population.
> The risk of leukemia appears to be 20 times higher in Thorotrast patients.
> >
> >
> > > On October 27, 2018 at 11:37 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > One of the saddest cases of radiation poisoning in the 1930s was
> Thorotrast.
> > > It was an oral contrast medium that did a beautiful job of outlining
> and diagnosing the liver. Every single patient to whom it was given died;
> usually after about ten years of misery.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boots update

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

That was what we were told in the 1950s about an event that happened in the 
1930s. Debating the deadliness of a drug that is no longer given to patients 
under any circumstance is fine if you just like to debate, but I would rather 
debate the deadliness of drugs and nutrients that are still in wide use.

An example is green tea. 
(Another is soy protein extract: 
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4435388/)
Green tea has been drunk by millions of people for centuries and recently it 
has been widely advertised as being of value for weight loss and other 
conditions in the form of an extract. The average person would not think that a 
simple ethanol extract of green tea could be deadly, but apparently it can:
.
Abstract:

"Green tea extract: A potential cause of acute liver failure

 Despite the generally touted benefits of green tea as a whole, clinical 
concern regarding its use is emerging and has been linked to its concentration 
in multiple herbal supplements. 

Interestingly, the suspected harmful compounds are those previously proposed to 
be advantageous for weight-loss, cancer remedy, and anti-inflammatory purposes. 

Green tea extract is one of the most common herbal supplements ingested 
worldwide and is manufactured into more than 100 different over-the-counter 
products. Although traditionally considered safe, it has been linked to 
hepatotoxicity and led to acute impending liver failure in our adolescent 
patient. The lack of regulation and provider guidance in the use of this 
product and dietary supplements in general is significant. We highlight the 
importance of monitoring patient use of dietary supplements. (snip)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3746392/

The following link shows that green tea extract is still being sold as a 
supplement with no warnings about liver toxicity.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-ab=green+tea+extract+safe+dosage=X=0ahUKEwiL3sm1nqreAhVE0FMKHRMCBGkQ1QIIuAEoBg=742=400

The subject for debate is whether such sales should be stopped or allowed to 
continue until a large number of people taking green tea extract have had 
documented liver damage.
Gerry
==
Mitch Haley via Mercedes  wrote:

> And https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1770067/. 
> Wiki agrees that Thorotrast was VERY dangerous, but well short of what you're 
> implying:
> 
> Due to the release of alpha particles, Thorotrast was found to be extremely 
> carcinogenic. There is a high over-incidence of various cancers in patients 
> who have been treated with Thorotrast. The cancers occur some years (usually 
> 20-30) after injection of Thorotrast. The risk of developing liver cancer (or 
> bile duct cancer) in former Thorotrast patients has been measured to be well 
> above 100 times the risk of the rest of the population. The risk of leukemia 
> appears to be 20 times higher in Thorotrast patients.
> 
> 
> > On October 27, 2018 at 11:37 PM archer75--- via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > One of the saddest cases of radiation poisoning in the 1930s was Thorotrast.
> > It was an oral contrast medium that did a beautiful job of outlining and 
> > diagnosing the liver. Every single patient to whom it was given died; 
> > usually after about ten years of misery.




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Re: [MBZ] Electrical weirdness

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

The test procedures that ultimately prevailed were:

1. Replacing the battery and eliminating that as the culprit.

2. Unplugging the glow plug relay, engine running, and observing that the 
problem remained.

3. Disconnecting the alternator, then starting the car, and the problem 
resolved.

The battery is suspect now due to age and the near total drain.  I'll put that 
on my battery maintainer / de-sulfinator for a few months and then test its 
capacity.

I spent too much time analyzing the battery drain while the engine was off, 
between steps two and three.  I could have finished the job faster if I'd 
skipped that.  Ultimately I found that the battery drain settled at about 100 
mA.  Pulling either fuse C or fuse 9 would almost totally eliminate that drain.
-- 
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Charleston SC
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'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Andy's ML 350 Dissel

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Black interior is a deal-breaker.

On Oct 28, 2018 6:09 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> What would you pay for a 2014, paint color
> 755U - TENORITE GRAY METALLIC PAINT
> with black tex interior,
> in pre District of Columbia'd condition?
> Looks like you could replace the windshield to make it legal and you'd fit
> right in with DC drivers or MA drivers. Too bad you live in MD.
>
> https://www.copart.com/lot/47345398
>
> Mitch.
>
>
> > On October 28, 2018 at 5:57 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I searched on ebay.  Cheapest ML 350 (2012 and newer) is $18,900.  I'll
> > wait awhile.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 124 master cylinder

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Im sure real akebono are fine. I think the point of the cert is to
distinguish real ones from counterfeit ones

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 1:16 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Thanks for sharing that article regarding ECE R90.  I wonder if the
> Akebono ceramic pads have that certification?  Have to look that up later.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On October 25, 2018 3:53:02 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >Interesting. Seems unlikely that the pads are in wrong, but never say
> >never. I changed all the calipers, so this isnt just a brake job.
> >
> >I found this european cert thing in an email from autohaus (finally got
> >the
> >500e master cyl today btw). Anyway it may interest the list:
> >
> >
> >See More Articles and Tech Tips at AutohausAZ.com/tech-tips.
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> >
> >Brake Safety- ECE R90
> >
> >Safety has always been at the forefront of European vehicle design.
> >When
> >you hear the word “safety”, one tends to think of the passive safety
> >features such as seatbelts or airbags, or the newer active safety
> >features
> >such as lane-departure warning and traction or stability control. But
> >hands
> >down the most important safety system on a car is the braking system.
> >The
> >disc brake system on a modern car relies on a complex system of
> >hydraulics,
> >electrics, electronics, and of course human input to safely bring a
> >vehicle
> >to a stop every time. But the most fundamental pieces of the braking
> >system
> >are the mechanical bits that do the actual stopping, the brake pads and
> >rotors. These components convert the kinetic energy of a vehicle in
> >motion
> >into heat energy, using nothing more than simple friction.
> >
> >Brake pads and rotors are of course a wear item on any vehicle.
> >Depending
> >on driving style and other factors, these components may have a longer
> >or
> >shorter lifespan, but on any car they will eventually need to be
> >replaced.
> >When shopping for brake pads and rotors for your vehicle you will find
> >a
> >confusing array of parts to choose from. There are different compounds
> >of
> >pads from semi-metallic to organic to ceramic. Rotors can be
> >high-carbon,
> >coated, drilled or slotted. How is a consumer to know what the best
> >choice
> >for their vehicle is?
> >
> >Regardless of what pad compound or type of rotor you choose, a good
> >place
> >to start when shopping for brakes on a European vehicle is to choose a
> >manufacturer that offers pads and rotors that are certified to meet ECE
> >R90
> >regulations.What is ECE R90? The Economic Commission for Europe, or
> >ECE, is
> >a body that regulates certain aspects of vehicle design throughout
> >Europe
> >and has been adopted in many other regions around the world. Regulation
> >90,
> >or R90 as it is commonly known, specifies that a certified pad or rotor
> >must pass several rigorous tests to verify both the braking performance
> >and
> >physical characters of the part do not widely deviate from the OEM
> >parts
> >that originally came with the vehicle. The standard was developed in
> >response to the rise of low-cost or counterfeit aftermarket brake pads
> >and
> >rotors that did not always perform properly. This of course is a major
> >safety hazard to all drivers on the road and the ECE decided to
> >implement
> >this strict set of rules for replacement brake pads and rotors
> >beginning in
> >November of 2016. While in the US it is not a requirement for vehicles
> >to
> >be fitted with replacement parts that meet the ECE R90 spec, it is
> >highly
> >advised.
> >
> >How do you tell if a part is certified as meeting ECE R90? All parts
> >will
> >be physically marked with a code that looks like this: [image:
> >Winterizing
> >Your Vehicle], followed by a unique set of approval numbers. This mark
> >ensures that you are installing a part that meets or exceeds the
> >requirements the OEM originally specified during development of the
> >vehicle. To reduce the likelihood of counterfeit products entering the
> >market falsely claiming to meet R90, packaging will typically be sealed
> >by
> >the manufacturer and many times also includes holograms or other
> >security
> >features that are difficult to duplicate. This is an additional layer
> >of
> >security that 

Re: [MBZ] OM603 revival

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

BEST THING TO DO IS TO TAKE THE SIDE COVER OFF THE IP, then see if 
wiggleing the stop lever will move the rack at all.   If not, the rack 
may be stuck/rusted.   You will probably be able to see some rust, if 
that is the problem.  If the lever doed not wiggle the rack at all, try 
to see if you can move it a thousandth or 2 (or 5) manually, with a 
finger or screwdriver, but DON"T force it!   Next step would be to hook 
a hose to the vacuum shutoff and suck (or alternately; suck then blow)  
on it, and see it that wiggles the lever at all.  If not, remove the 
vacuum actuator, then see if the rack advances when the footfeed is floored.


One extremely odd thing that happened is a broken governor that slammed 
the rack to the off position, but that happened as soon as the car 
started.   I don't think that is the case here, because the shutoff 
lever is stuck down, but the point is, sometimes unheard of things happen.


Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Jack&  Tim;

Gentle pressure on the stop lever is fine, but I wouldn't get too aggressive.  
Inside the injection pump, the stop lever moves the fuel rack.  The fuel rack 
is connected to the plunger / barrel assemblies at one end, and the governor at 
the other end.



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Re: [MBZ] Andy's ML 350 Dissel

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

What would you pay for a 2014, paint color 
755U - TENORITE GRAY METALLIC PAINT
with black tex interior, 
in pre District of Columbia'd condition?
Looks like you could replace the windshield to make it legal and you'd fit 
right in with DC drivers or MA drivers. Too bad you live in MD. 

https://www.copart.com/lot/47345398

Mitch. 


> On October 28, 2018 at 5:57 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I searched on ebay.  Cheapest ML 350 (2012 and newer) is $18,900.  I'll
> wait awhile.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Andy's ML 350 Dissel

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I searched on ebay.  Cheapest ML 350 (2012 and newer) is $18,900.  I'll
wait awhile.

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 1:18 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It's also sold at Costco but I think all warehouses carry different
> products.  What is available at one may not be available at another.  I
> assume ya'll are talking about the Bluetec juice?
>
> LarryT
> 91 300D
> 06 E350 (on the road again)
>
>
>
> On 10/26/2018 9:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > Also at NAPA and the other FLAPS.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 8:14 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> They sell bottles of Diesel Exhaust Fluid,at some filling stations.
> >>
> >> Dwight Giles Jr.
> >> Wickford RI
> >>
> >> On Oct 26, 2018 8:34 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >> wrote:
> >>
>  On October 26, 2018 at 6:14 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
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> and
> >>> was VERY entertaining to drive. The blue juice needs to be filled now
> and
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boots update

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

And every single patient given water in the 1800s died. 
Wiki agrees that Thorotrast was VERY dangerous, but well short of what you're 
implying:

Due to the release of alpha particles, Thorotrast was found to be extremely 
carcinogenic. There is a high over-incidence of various cancers in patients who 
have been treated with Thorotrast. The cancers occur some years (usually 20-30) 
after injection of Thorotrast. The risk of developing liver cancer (or bile 
duct cancer) in former Thorotrast patients has been measured to be well above 
100 times the risk of the rest of the population. The risk of leukemia appears 
to be 20 times higher in Thorotrast patients.


> On October 27, 2018 at 11:37 PM archer75--- via Mercedes 
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> One of the saddest cases of radiation poisoning in the 1930s was Thorotrast.
> It was an oral contrast medium that did a beautiful job of outlining and 
> diagnosing the liver. Every single patient to whom it was given died; usually 
> after about ten years of misery.
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Andy's ML 350 Dissel

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

It's also sold at Costco but I think all warehouses carry different 
products.  What is available at one may not be available at another.  I 
assume ya'll are talking about the Bluetec juice?


LarryT
91 300D
06 E350 (on the road again)



On 10/26/2018 9:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Also at NAPA and the other FLAPS.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 8:14 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


They sell bottles of Diesel Exhaust Fluid,at some filling stations.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Oct 26, 2018 8:34 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
On October 26, 2018 at 6:14 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


My ex-wife has one. As I recall it was doing closer to 30 on trips, and

was VERY entertaining to drive. The blue juice needs to be filled now and
then.

Is the filler for the DEF behind the fuel door, so you just go to a truck
stop every couple thousand miles and stick the nozzle in?

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[MBZ] OT: Medical Radiation. was: OT: Boots update

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

archer75 wrote:
Thanks for looking it up. I read about it, or heard about it, when I was 
studying xray technology in the 1950s.
Currently the concern about medical overexposure to radiation has been directed 
at widely used computed tomography scans (ct scans). Here is a 2013 report from 
Scientific American:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-much-ct-scans-increase-risk-cancer/

Here is an interesting 2017 report showing that "mice" with cancer lived longer 
than control mice after receiving multiple ct scans.

Quote.. To our knowledge, this is the first reported study to show that 
repeated CT scans, when administered after tumor initiation, can improve cancer 
morbidity by delaying the progression of specific types of radiation-induced 
cancers in Trp53+/- mice. (mice that are cancer prone)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28741984

Gerry
... 
> > One of the saddest cases of radiation poisoning in the 1930s was
> > Thorotrast. It was an oral contrast medium that did a beautiful job of
> > outlining and diagnosing the liver. Every single patient to whom it was
> > given died; usually after about ten years of misery. Gerry
> 
> From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorotrast :
> 
> Thorotrast is a suspension containing particles of the radioactive
> compound thorium dioxide, ThO2, that was used as a radiocontrast agent in
> medical radiography in the 1930s and 1940s. Use in some countries, such
> as the U.S., continued into the 1950s.
> 
> Thorium compounds produce excellent images because of thorium's high
> opacity to X-rays (it has a high cross section for absorption). However,
> thorium is retained in the body, and it is radioactive, emitting harmful
> alpha radiation as it decays. Because the suspension offered high image
> quality and had virtually no immediate side-effects compared to the
> alternatives available at the time, Thorotrast became widely used after
> its introduction in 1931. António Egas Moniz contributed to its
> development.[1] About 2 to 10 million patients worldwide have been
> treated with Thorotrast. However, today it has shown an increase risk
> in certain cancers such as cholangiocarcinomas and angiosarcomas of the
> liver.
> 
> Safety
> 
> Even at the time of introduction, there was concern about the safety of
> Thorotrast. Following injection, the drug is distributed to the liver,
> spleen, lymph nodes, and bone, where it is absorbed. After this initial
> absorption, redistribution takes place at a very slow pace. Specifically,
> the biological half-life is estimated to be 22 years.[2] This means that
> the organs of patients who have been given Thorotrast will be exposed to
> internal alpha radiation for the rest of their lives. The significance of
> this long-term exposure was not fully understood at the time of
> Thorotrast's introduction in 1931.
> 
> Due to the release of alpha particles, Thorotrast was found to be
> extremely carcinogenic. There is a high over-incidence of various cancers
> in patients who have been treated with Thorotrast. The cancers occur some
> years (usually 20-30) after injection of Thorotrast. The risk of
> developing liver cancer (or bile duct cancer) in former Thorotrast
> patients has been measured to be well above 100 times the risk of the
> rest of the population. The risk of leukemia appears to be 20 times
> higher in Thorotrast patients.[3] Thorotrast exposure has also been
> associated with the development of angiosarcoma. German patients exposed
> to Thorotrast had their median life-expectancy shortened by 14 years in
> comparison to a similar non-exposed control group.[4]
> 
> Thorium is no longer used in X-ray contrast agents. Today, iodinated
> hydrophilic (water-soluble) molecules are universally used as injected
> contrast agents in X-ray procedures.
> 
> The Danish director Nils Malmros's movie, Facing the Truth (original
> Danish title At Kende Sandheden) from 2002, portrays the dilemma that
> faced Malmros's father, Richard Malmros, when treating his patients in
> the 1940s. Richard Malmros was deeply concerned about the persistence of
> Thorotrast in the body but was forced to use Thorotrast, because the only
> available alternative (per-abrodil) had serious immediate side-effects,
> suffered from image quality problems and was difficult to obtain during
> the Second World War. The use of Thorotrast in Denmark ended in 1947 when
> safer alternatives became available.
> 
> Current use
> 
> Thorotrast has also been used in research to stain neural tissue samples
> for examination by historadiography.[5]
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Re: [MBZ] OM603 revival

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Jack & Tim;

Gentle pressure on the stop lever is fine, but I wouldn't get too aggressive.  
Inside the injection pump, the stop lever moves the fuel rack.  The fuel rack 
is connected to the plunger / barrel assemblies at one end, and the governor at 
the other end.  
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 27, 2018 7:24:06 PM EDT, Tim Crone via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Thanks Jim!  We'll give it a go.  Should I be worried about breaking
>off
>the stop lever?
>
>Jack (son in question) just subscribed to the list also, hi Jack!
>
>Best,
>Tim
>
>
>On Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 2:12 PM Jim Cathey 
>wrote:
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>> 1) the intake manifold has been off for a long time (5 years?)
>>> ... Suggestions for
>>> more effective cleaning methods?
>>>
>>
>> After you do all that, I'd hit it with compressed air, see if
>anything
>> blows back up and out.
>>
>>
>>> 2) the stop lever is stuck downShould I try to cajole it up?
>>>
>>
>> I would.
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
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