Re: [MBZ] gas v Diesel

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 20:29:56 -0700 clay monroe via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Around PNW the price for #2 is on par with 87.  The idiot legislators
> want us to vote to reduce carbon by taxing our fuel another $0.52/gal.
> This makes the dorks in electric cars feel superior, because the power
> plants are exempt from being taxed for spewing carbons.

I presume you are voting against I-1631 ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] gas v Diesel

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

I used to do the premium pump gas, but did not feel it did well in the w220 or 
R107.  When I switched to no ethenol “premium” the old M17 was much happier.  
Without the alcohol, octane drops down to 88.  Pump gas comes in 87 89 and 92 
out west.

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> On Oct 29, 2018, at 7:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So you are in the premium camp. I read that some people say you must run 
> premium, others say regular is fine but might have a little bit less power 
> but not enough to notice. Knutsack says he has run all of his on regular for 
> many years without problem. I have personally always ran my 112/113 cars on 
> premium but have never owned one long term. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 7:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Jonathan Hodgeman (Blue Ridge MB) says that running regular unleaded in an 
>> M112 will make it drop intake valves.
>> 
>> My 1998 E320 wagon averages between 21 and 22 mpg in mixed city/highway 
>> driving with the AC on all the time.  When cooler temps set in and I dump 
>> the AC, the average goes up to 23-24 mpg.  On premium.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:36 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm pretty sure I plugged the converters on my first M112 by running 87 in 
>>> it and retarding the timing. If you buy Premium, I'm sure the diesel wins 
>>> hands down. But 21 is less than I ever got in the E320 4x4 wagon, maybe 
>>> 24mpg in winter with plugged converters, 27-28 in summer. 
>>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] gas v Diesel

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

My 280 SE 4.5 would audibly knock on midgrade and rattled distressingly on 
regular.  Premium only for sure, else you burn the spark plugs up, and risk 
actual detonation and holes drilled in the pistons on the highway.

My TE is unhappy on midgrade.  Toasted plugs, burns the electrodes off.  

On cars with knock sensors, using lower grade fuel will result in retarded 
timing to reduce knock, and that kills performance and milage.  No burned 
plugs, but at the expense of driveability.

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Re: [MBZ] gas v Diesel

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Whhht?

Around PNW the price for #2 is on par with 87.  The idiot legislators want us 
to vote to reduce carbon by taxing our fuel another $0.52/gal.  This makes the 
dorks in electric cars feel superior, because the power plants are exempt from 
being taxed for spewing carbons.

ANYWAY, I filled up the SDL (24 gallons) for $3.46/gal.  That was a penny 
cheaper than the petrol 87.  Safeway fuel, not the expensive stuff from the 
named petrol guys.


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> On Oct 29, 2018, at 4:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So gas is running about 2.39 for 87 now, diesel is around 3.09 to 3.13.  If 
> the combined MPG is 26 for the 210 E300 turbo, and 21 for a E320 gas, at what 
> price point would it be cheaper to run the gas v the diesel assuming you can 
> run 87 in a 112 car?  My math comes up to this over a 400 mile trip:
> 
> E300 15.38 gallons @ $3.09 = $47.52
> 
> E320 19.04 gallons @ $2.39 = $45.50
> 
> So by this math, it appears right now it is actually a little cheaper to 
> drive the gas.  I just used the combined city/highway figure and this of 
> course would change if you burned Premium.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Pretty BMW R75 on BAT

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

I had to give it up when my balance went.  I felt poorly having to refinish the 
valve covers from tipping over at low speeds in urban traffic


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> On Oct 29, 2018, at 4:08 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yup - mine was an '84. great bike, but I didn't like riding in the traffic
> here. I sold it to a guy who wanted something more reliable than his Harley.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 5:13 PM Kevin Kraly via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I had a neighbor that had a 1979 R100S, smooth, plenty of power, and it
>> sounded great!!
>> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:50 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The green is ugly, plus BMW's should be black. The other defect is that
>>> it's not an R100 . . .
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 2:39 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 
 
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-bmw-bmw-r75-5-4/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-10-29
 
 Seems cheap.  Wonder what's wrong with it?
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>>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
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>> who
>>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>>> for themselves."
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>>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
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> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
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> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: OT: Boots update

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

SEE!  Hobos get covered in the rains in California and all that toxic 
nastiness they are coated in gets washing into the waters of the state

clay monroe
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> On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not state employees, but voters. 
> They're collectively proven to be either morons or easily stampeded sheep. 
> 
> Proposition 65, officially known as the Safe Drinking Water and Toxic 
> Enforcement Act of 1986, was enacted as a ballot initiative in November 1986. 
> The proposition protects the state's drinking water sources from being 
> contaminated with chemicals known to cause cancer...
> 
>> On October 29, 2018 at 3:41 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I recently stayed at a hotel in California, a rather new hotel belonging to
>> a major chain.  Very nice place.  A un-helpful sign near the front door
>> explained that this hotel is known by the state of CA to cause cancer.
>> 
>> Absurd signs like these convince me that state employees in CA must be
>> idiots.
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: OT: Boots update

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Ah, now I know how the homeless issue can be addressed.  If a hotel caused 
cancer, then the hobos can be labeled as carcinogens due to the drug use, 
smoking, poor food and alcohol usages, living in constant contact to exhaust 
fumes and urban air.  Yeah, homeless folks be in violation of article 68 or 
whatever that stupid law they have is.

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> On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:41 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I recently stayed at a hotel in California, a rather new hotel belonging to
> a major chain.  Very nice place.  A un-helpful sign near the front door
> explained that this hotel is known by the state of CA to cause cancer.
> 
> Absurd signs like these convince me that state employees in CA must be
> idiots.  Who but an idiot would require every hotel to place a sign near
> the door about the danger of cancer from the hotel, but absolutely NO
> information about what a visitor or employee could do to reduce that risk.
> CA residents need to demand more intelligence from their government.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 3:29 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> That's known as reduction adabsurdum:
>> 
>> "n logic, reductio ad absurdum (Latin  for "reduction to absurdity"), also
>> known as argumentum ad absurdum (Latin for "argument to absurdity") or the
>> appeal to extremes, is a form of argument that attempts either to disprove
>> a statement by showing it inevitably leads to a ridiculous, absurd, or
>> impractical conclusion, or to prove one by showing that if it were not
>> true, the result would be absurd or impossible."
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:06 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Breathing is deadly. After you breath for a few decades, most everyone
>>> dies, thus the cause of death is excessive breathing...
>>> Modern logic in action especially, in the State of California.
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Pretty BMW R75 on BAT

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

A bunch of stuff just does not look right. Holed mufflers, miles are strange, 
not sure the handle bars are correct….


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> 
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-bmw-bmw-r75-5-4/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-10-29
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Re: [MBZ] gas v Diesel

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So you are in the premium camp. I read that some people say you must run 
premium, others say regular is fine but might have a little bit less power but 
not enough to notice. Knutsack says he has run all of his on regular for many 
years without problem. I have personally always ran my 112/113 cars on premium 
but have never owned one long term. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 7:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Jonathan Hodgeman (Blue Ridge MB) says that running regular unleaded in an 
> M112 will make it drop intake valves.
> 
> My 1998 E320 wagon averages between 21 and 22 mpg in mixed city/highway 
> driving with the AC on all the time.  When cooler temps set in and I dump the 
> AC, the average goes up to 23-24 mpg.  On premium.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:36 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm pretty sure I plugged the converters on my first M112 by running 87 in 
>> it and retarding the timing. If you buy Premium, I'm sure the diesel wins 
>> hands down. But 21 is less than I ever got in the E320 4x4 wagon, maybe 
>> 24mpg in winter with plugged converters, 27-28 in summer. 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] importec

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Kaleb,
Nothing but crickets here when I try to call up the link
Something dropped off the end of the internet, I think...

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 4:32 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:19:47 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
>
> > tracert goes thru several hops then eventually times out on my end.
> >
> >
> > On 10/29/2018 6:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Can anybody get importecautoparts.com to pull up?  I was in the
> > > middle of putting an order together and the website seemed sluggish.
> > > I restarted my computer thinking that was it but now it just spins
> > > and never loads their page.  Just wonder if its down or if the
> > > problem is on my end.
>
> My browser just sits with its "I'm still alive" icon making circles ...
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] gas v Diesel

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Jonathan Hodgeman (Blue Ridge MB) says that running regular unleaded in an M112 
will make it drop intake valves.

My 1998 E320 wagon averages between 21 and 22 mpg in mixed city/highway driving 
with the AC on all the time.  When cooler temps set in and I dump the AC, the 
average goes up to 23-24 mpg.  On premium.

-D



> On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:36 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm pretty sure I plugged the converters on my first M112 by running 87 in it 
> and retarding the timing. If you buy Premium, I'm sure the diesel wins hands 
> down. But 21 is less than I ever got in the E320 4x4 wagon, maybe 24mpg in 
> winter with plugged converters, 27-28 in summer. 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] gas v Diesel

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I'm pretty sure I plugged the converters on my first M112 by running 87 in it 
and retarding the timing. If you buy Premium, I'm sure the diesel wins hands 
down. But 21 is less than I ever got in the E320 4x4 wagon, maybe 24mpg in 
winter with plugged converters, 27-28 in summer. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Pretty BMW R75 on BAT

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Ja natürlich!

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 6:48 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> Amen!   (mit weiss pinstripes)
>
> OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > plus BMW's should be black.
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2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boots update

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:53:46 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Absolutely.  It was too hot to be in the sun. and with the hood off for 
> weeks, I needed some form of shelter.  It worked out well, and that 
> engine is still good.

So you learned real well!


Craig


>> the red canopy became my "shop" while I learned how to reassemble an
>> OM621 for my 200D. I hung the canopy from the old box elder tree. 

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Re: [MBZ] Who is in Charge?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

+1   Look for old chargers at auctions/garage sales.  You want one with 
no electronics at all.   A 6/12V switch is ok.   6/8/10 amp.   I have an 
old Schauer 2 A charger (6/12) that I love.  Yes, it takes a day or two 
for a flat battery, but for all but emergency use, that is  ok.   I use 
higher amp ones for emergency charging.   Too many amps can damage the 
battery.


I have a HF, electronic gizmo, and had to use it last week.   It took a 
while to get the nanny to realize the battery needed a charge, but after 
a few tries, it worked.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  You need a dumb charger, I can't remember the brand that I have, I bought it 
around 2003 or so, it'll shove electrons out no matter what, if theres a lot of 
resistance those electrons won't go anywhere but its at least trying to put 
them out...
I'm curious why you tried 2a though, after 3 hours thats 6ah which is 
doodly-squat, you group 49 is something like 70ah so if it was totally dead 
you'd have gotten less than 10% into it. At 10a you'd be closer to half...
-Curt





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Re: [MBZ] Who is in Charge?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

My neighbor has a smart charger. 
About once a year I take a dumb charger over there to jump start his smart 
charger. 
It's too smart to want to charge a dead battery. 

The old fashioned Shumacher on wheels is on sale for $130 at Advance Auto, but 
they don't let you use internet coupons on sale items any more. The $100+ 
purchase would get you $20 off on your next $50 purchase if you join 
Speedperks, I use the $20 coupons to buy two oil change specials when there's a 
Mobil One rebate going.  

> On October 29, 2018 at 8:13 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>  You need a dumb charger,

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Re: [MBZ] Who is in Charge?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 You need a dumb charger, I can't remember the brand that I have, I bought it 
around 2003 or so, it'll shove electrons out no matter what, if theres a lot of 
resistance those electrons won't go anywhere but its at least trying to put 
them out...
I'm curious why you tried 2a though, after 3 hours thats 6ah which is 
doodly-squat, you group 49 is something like 70ah so if it was totally dead 
you'd have gotten less than 10% into it. At 10a you'd be closer to half...
-Curt

On Monday, October 29, 2018, 8:00:03 PM EDT, clay monroe via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 TIme for power upgrades.

I tried to drive Allen yesterday morning and found her dead as a rock.  I 
figured I could give her a jump with Polei, being diesel to diesel, but all I 
got after five minutes of electrons flowing over what now seems to be overly 
fine wire gauge (maybe I need to invest in 00) was a wincing shrug of an 
attempt by the starter.  Screw it, I had Polei running, so I took her.

I got home post game and tossed the sears charger (smart 2/10/50) at 2amp at 
the battery.  I just installed the group 49 in June, battery born 4/18, so was 
bewildered that the battery was non responsive.  Three hours of two amps made 
no impact on the battery, so I popped it to 50 amp start mode and gave it a 
chance to put some electrons back in the box.  No avail.  No action at all from 
a turn of the key.  And, the charger was pretty warm, it was getting dark, and 
I was not interested in messing about with electrons in the rain.  The charger 
and battery came inside and I put it to charge low and slow over night.  

No electrons in the box this morning and just a warm charger.  Multimeter found 
2.8v in the battery and no voltage from the charger.  This forced me to unhook 
the battery tender widget from the R107 and put the battery on that.  The 
Diehard charger just moans and gets warm with no lights or needle action, nor 
expulsion of electrons out the clamps.

I have the receipt for the battery, and will visit the vendor if she does not 
take a charge.  What I would like is the group consensus on replacement charger 
for my gaggle of group 49 batteries.  All are fairly new (under 18 months).  I 
am tempted to get a wheeled charger with ability to jump a cold winter battery 
at this point.  Or, should I get a standard Schumacher set up for $75 with low 
and high amp?  What of a few of the low cost things and just keep them under 
the hood of each car?



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Re: [MBZ] Looks like a good deal

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Yes glow plugs but if you do have to replace them and you follow the proper 
procedures you can get them out without too much issue 

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> On Oct 29, 2018, at 6:49 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> And Glow plugs corroded to the head   and nannies...
> 
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yes
>> 
>> Rust
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/29/2018 9:00 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 20:49:22 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 1996 Mercedes Benz E300 Diesel
 
 https://lascruces.craigslist.org/cto/d/1996-mercedes-benz-e300-diesel/6734978327.html
  
>>> And that has the naturally-aspirated OM606?
>>> 
>>> Anything to look out for?
>>> 
>>> 
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[MBZ] Who is in Charge?

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

TIme for power upgrades.

I tried to drive Allen yesterday morning and found her dead as a rock.  I 
figured I could give her a jump with Polei, being diesel to diesel, but all I 
got after five minutes of electrons flowing over what now seems to be overly 
fine wire gauge (maybe I need to invest in 00) was a wincing shrug of an 
attempt by the starter.  Screw it, I had Polei running, so I took her.

I got home post game and tossed the sears charger (smart 2/10/50) at 2amp at 
the battery.  I just installed the group 49 in June, battery born 4/18, so was 
bewildered that the battery was non responsive.  Three hours of two amps made 
no impact on the battery, so I popped it to 50 amp start mode and gave it a 
chance to put some electrons back in the box.  No avail.  No action at all from 
a turn of the key.  And, the charger was pretty warm, it was getting dark, and 
I was not interested in messing about with electrons in the rain.  The charger 
and battery came inside and I put it to charge low and slow over night.  

No electrons in the box this morning and just a warm charger.  Multimeter found 
2.8v in the battery and no voltage from the charger.  This forced me to unhook 
the battery tender widget from the R107 and put the battery on that.  The 
Diehard charger just moans and gets warm with no lights or needle action, nor 
expulsion of electrons out the clamps.

I have the receipt for the battery, and will visit the vendor if she does not 
take a charge.  What I would like is the group consensus on replacement charger 
for my gaggle of group 49 batteries.  All are fairly new (under 18 months).  I 
am tempted to get a wheeled charger with ability to jump a cold winter battery 
at this point.  Or, should I get a standard Schumacher set up for $75 with low 
and high amp?  What of a few of the low cost things and just keep them under 
the hood of each car?



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boots update

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Absolutely.  It was too hot to be in the sun. and with the hood off for 
weeks, I needed some form of shelter.  It worked out well, and that 
engine is still good.


Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:24:57 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
  wrote:


I was using that 50 years ago.   back then, you got it by buying a
surplus parachute; then cutting off the shroud lines.   the red canopy
became my "shop"  while I learned how to reassemble an OM621 for my
200D.   I hung the canopy from the old box elder tree.   I still have
some of the red line around somewhere


A true "shade tree mechanic"!


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] Looks like a good deal

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

And Glow plugs corroded to the head   and nannies...

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Yes

Rust


On 10/29/2018 9:00 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 20:49:22 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:


1996 Mercedes Benz E300 Diesel

https://lascruces.craigslist.org/cto/d/1996-mercedes-benz-e300-diesel/6734978327.html 


And that has the naturally-aspirated OM606?

Anything to look out for?


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Re: [MBZ] Pretty BMW R75 on BAT

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Amen!   (mit weiss pinstripes)

OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

plus BMW's should be black.



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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: OT: Boots update

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

They are too fruity, flaked out, stoned, or otherwise impaired to 
perceive the need.


Anyone who relies on goobermnt to warn them of dangers, WILL DIE.
(probably sooner than normal)


Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I recently stayed at a hotel in California, a rather new hotel belonging to
a major chain.  Very nice place.  A un-helpful sign near the front door
explained that this hotel is known by the state of CA to cause cancer.

Absurd signs like these convince me that state employees in CA must be
idiots.  Who but an idiot would require every hotel to place a sign near
the door about the danger of cancer from the hotel, but absolutely NO
information about what a visitor or employee could do to reduce that risk.
CA residents need to demand more intelligence from their government.

-
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: OT: Boots update

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 LOL
I too have been concerned about those "Known to cause cancer in the state of 
California." As a warning sign they're pretty useless.
Reminds me of high school chemistry class where old Mr. Black would put 
warnings on all the chemicals, the one with the most dire warnings was good old 
H2O. He warned about drowning, heart attacks from shoveling snow, the danger of 
electrolyte imbalance and I don't remember what else, dude had a very dry sense 
of humor.
-Curt

On Monday, October 29, 2018, 3:51:22 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 The ultimate oxymoron:

"Intelligence from government"


On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 12:42 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I recently stayed at a hotel in California, a rather new hotel belonging to
> a major chain.  Very nice place.  A un-helpful sign near the front door
> explained that this hotel is known by the state of CA to cause cancer.
>
> Absurd signs like these convince me that state employees in CA must be
> idiots.  Who but an idiot would require every hotel to place a sign near
> the door about the danger of cancer from the hotel, but absolutely NO
> information about what a visitor or employee could do to reduce that risk.
> CA residents need to demand more intelligence from their government.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 3:29 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > That's known as reduction adabsurdum:
> >
> > "n logic, reductio ad absurdum (Latin  for "reduction to absurdity"),
> also
> > known as argumentum ad absurdum (Latin for "argument to absurdity") or
> the
> > appeal to extremes, is a form of argument that attempts either to
> disprove
> > a statement by showing it inevitably leads to a ridiculous, absurd, or
> > impractical conclusion, or to prove one by showing that if it were not
> > true, the result would be absurd or impossible."
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:06 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Breathing is deadly. After you breath for a few decades, most everyone
> > > dies, thus the cause of death is excessive breathing...
> > > Modern logic in action especially, in the State of California.
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boots update

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Sounds like well lubricated krauts!   Fun. Probably mucho 
Gemütlecheit (sp?) was had by all!


MG via Mercedes wrote:
It was just right in Orlando for our 2nd Octoberfest weekend. It sure 
brought the people out. We almost sold out of beer. Emptied about 125 
50lt kegs. Fun was had by all. Some more so then others.


MG



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boots update

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On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:24:57 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I was using that 50 years ago.   back then, you got it by buying a 
> surplus parachute; then cutting off the shroud lines.   the red canopy 
> became my "shop"  while I learned how to reassemble an OM621 for my 
> 200D.   I hung the canopy from the old box elder tree.   I still have 
> some of the red line around somewhere

A true "shade tree mechanic"!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] gas v Diesel

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:19:17 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> So gas is running about 2.39 for 87 now, diesel is around 3.09 to
> 3.13. If the combined MPG is 26 for the 210 E300 turbo[diesel], and 21
> for a E320 gas, at what price point would it be cheaper to run the gas
> v the diesel assuming you can run 87 in a 112 car?  My math comes up to
> this over a 400 mile trip:
> 
> E300 15.38 gallons @ $3.09 = $47.52
> 
> E320 19.04 gallons @ $2.39 = $45.50

The price below which it is cheaper to drive the diesel is:

  26 mpg
-- x $2.399 =  $2.970
  21 mpg

So if diesel is less than $2.97 it is cheaper to drive the diesel.
Otherwise, driving the gas is cheaper.


Crai

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[MBZ] Importec

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

LocationStatusIP
(ms)
(ms)
(ms)
(ms)SizeResponse
Time (ms)
Fremont-CA - US-Read time out.
Toronto - CA-Read time out.
Amsterdam - NL-Read time out.
Singapore - SG-Read time out.
Chennai - IN-Read time out.
Melbourne - AUS-Read time out.
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Re: [MBZ] importec

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:19:47 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> tracert goes thru several hops then eventually times out on my end.
> 
> 
> On 10/29/2018 6:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > Can anybody get importecautoparts.com to pull up?  I was in the
> > middle of putting an order together and the website seemed sluggish.
> > I restarted my computer thinking that was it but now it just spins
> > and never loads their page.  Just wonder if its down or if the
> > problem is on my end.

My browser just sits with its "I'm still alive" icon making circles ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boots update

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I was using that 50 years ago.   back then, you got it by buying a 
surplus parachute; then cutting off the shroud lines.   the red canopy 
became my "shop"  while I learned how to reassemble an OM621 for my 
200D.   I hung the canopy from the old box elder tree.   I still have 
some of the red line around somewhere


Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Michael, get some parachute cord and make your own laces.  True parachute cord 
is far stronger and more durable than leather laces.  More cachet too.



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[MBZ] Spam

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I made an adjustment to the Spam filter, so lets see if that cuts out 
all the messages getting flagged as spam.



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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: importec

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 7:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> importecautoparts.com 
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Re: [MBZ] importec

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

tracert goes thru several hops then eventually times out on my end.


On 10/29/2018 6:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Can anybody get importecautoparts.com to pull up?  I was in the middle 
of putting an order together and the website seemed sluggish.  I 
restarted my computer thinking that was it but now it just spins and 
never loads their page.  Just wonder if its down or if the problem is 
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[MBZ] gas v Diesel

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So gas is running about 2.39 for 87 now, diesel is around 3.09 to 3.13.  
If the combined MPG is 26 for the 210 E300 turbo, and 21 for a E320 gas, 
at what price point would it be cheaper to run the gas v the diesel 
assuming you can run 87 in a 112 car?  My math comes up to this over a 
400 mile trip:


E300 15.38 gallons @ $3.09 = $47.52

E320 19.04 gallons @ $2.39 = $45.50

So by this math, it appears right now it is actually a little cheaper to 
drive the gas.  I just used the combined city/highway figure and this of 
course would change if you burned Premium.




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[MBZ] importec

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Can anybody get importecautoparts.com to pull up?  I was in the middle 
of putting an order together and the website seemed sluggish.  I 
restarted my computer thinking that was it but now it just spins and 
never loads their page.  Just wonder if its down or if the problem is on 
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Re: [MBZ] Pretty BMW R75 on BAT

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Yup - mine was an '84. great bike, but I didn't like riding in the traffic
here. I sold it to a guy who wanted something more reliable than his Harley.

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 5:13 PM Kevin Kraly via Mercedes <
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> I had a neighbor that had a 1979 R100S, smooth, plenty of power, and it
> sounded great!!
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:50 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > The green is ugly, plus BMW's should be black. The other defect is that
> > it's not an R100 . . .
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 2:39 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-bmw-bmw-r75-5-4/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-10-29
> >>
> >> Seems cheap.  Wonder what's wrong with it?
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> of
> > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> >
> > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who
> > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> > for themselves."
> >
> > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Looks like a good deal

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Remove manifold then you can get to everything.  Replace delivery valve 
seals, and just replace all the clear plastic lines under there and it 
will be good to go.



On 10/29/2018 9:08 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 20:49:22 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:


1996 Mercedes Benz E300 Diesel

https://lascruces.craigslist.org/cto/d/1996-mercedes-benz-e300-diesel/6734978327.html

How difficult is it to reseal the IP? Does it need to be taken out of the
car?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Looks like a good deal

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes

Rust


On 10/29/2018 9:00 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 20:49:22 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:


1996 Mercedes Benz E300 Diesel

https://lascruces.craigslist.org/cto/d/1996-mercedes-benz-e300-diesel/6734978327.html

And that has the naturally-aspirated OM606?

Anything to look out for?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Pretty BMW R75 on BAT

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I had a neighbor that had a 1979 R100S, smooth, plenty of power, and it sounded 
great!!
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR

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> On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:50 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The green is ugly, plus BMW's should be black. The other defect is that
> it's not an R100 . . .
> 
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 2:39 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-bmw-bmw-r75-5-4/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-10-29
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: OT: Boots update

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Not state employees, but voters. 
They're collectively proven to be either morons or easily stampeded sheep. 

Proposition 65, officially known as the Safe Drinking Water and Toxic 
Enforcement Act of 1986, was enacted as a ballot initiative in November 1986. 
The proposition protects the state's drinking water sources from being 
contaminated with chemicals known to cause cancer...

> On October 29, 2018 at 3:41 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I recently stayed at a hotel in California, a rather new hotel belonging to
> a major chain.  Very nice place.  A un-helpful sign near the front door
> explained that this hotel is known by the state of CA to cause cancer.
> 
> Absurd signs like these convince me that state employees in CA must be
> idiots.

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: OT: Boots update

[G Mann via Mercedes]

The ultimate oxymoron:

"Intelligence from government"


On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 12:42 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I recently stayed at a hotel in California, a rather new hotel belonging to
> a major chain.  Very nice place.  A un-helpful sign near the front door
> explained that this hotel is known by the state of CA to cause cancer.
>
> Absurd signs like these convince me that state employees in CA must be
> idiots.  Who but an idiot would require every hotel to place a sign near
> the door about the danger of cancer from the hotel, but absolutely NO
> information about what a visitor or employee could do to reduce that risk.
> CA residents need to demand more intelligence from their government.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 3:29 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > That's known as reduction adabsurdum:
> >
> > "n logic, reductio ad absurdum (Latin  for "reduction to absurdity"),
> also
> > known as argumentum ad absurdum (Latin for "argument to absurdity") or
> the
> > appeal to extremes, is a form of argument that attempts either to
> disprove
> > a statement by showing it inevitably leads to a ridiculous, absurd, or
> > impractical conclusion, or to prove one by showing that if it were not
> > true, the result would be absurd or impossible."
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:06 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Breathing is deadly. After you breath for a few decades, most everyone
> > > dies, thus the cause of death is excessive breathing...
> > > Modern logic in action especially, in the State of California.
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Pretty BMW R75 on BAT

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The green is ugly, plus BMW's should be black. The other defect is that
it's not an R100 . . .

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>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-bmw-bmw-r75-5-4/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-10-29
>
> Seems cheap.  Wonder what's wrong with it?
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: OT: Boots update

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I recently stayed at a hotel in California, a rather new hotel belonging to
a major chain.  Very nice place.  A un-helpful sign near the front door
explained that this hotel is known by the state of CA to cause cancer.

Absurd signs like these convince me that state employees in CA must be
idiots.  Who but an idiot would require every hotel to place a sign near
the door about the danger of cancer from the hotel, but absolutely NO
information about what a visitor or employee could do to reduce that risk.
CA residents need to demand more intelligence from their government.

-
Max
Charleston SC


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That's known as reduction adabsurdum:
>
> "n logic, reductio ad absurdum (Latin  for "reduction to absurdity"), also
> known as argumentum ad absurdum (Latin for "argument to absurdity") or the
> appeal to extremes, is a form of argument that attempts either to disprove
> a statement by showing it inevitably leads to a ridiculous, absurd, or
> impractical conclusion, or to prove one by showing that if it were not
> true, the result would be absurd or impossible."
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
>
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:06 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Breathing is deadly. After you breath for a few decades, most everyone
> > dies, thus the cause of death is excessive breathing...
> > Modern logic in action especially, in the State of California.
> >
>
>
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[MBZ] Pretty BMW R75 on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-bmw-bmw-r75-5-4/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-10-29

Seems cheap.  Wonder what's wrong with it?
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[MBZ] Pomposity ad nauseum

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

This week's award goes to the seller of a 1988 560 SEC on BAT:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-mercedes-benz-560sec-8/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-10-29

*Chromed *Gullideckel *wheels are shod in Cooper 205/65 touring tires
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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: OT: Boots update

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That's known as reduction adabsurdum:

"n logic, reductio ad absurdum (Latin  for "reduction to absurdity"), also
known as argumentum ad absurdum (Latin for "argument to absurdity") or the
appeal to extremes, is a form of argument that attempts either to disprove
a statement by showing it inevitably leads to a ridiculous, absurd, or
impractical conclusion, or to prove one by showing that if it were not
true, the result would be absurd or impossible."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:06 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Breathing is deadly. After you breath for a few decades, most everyone
> dies, thus the cause of death is excessive breathing...
> Modern logic in action especially, in the State of California.
>
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 6:25 PM OK Don via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > Anything in excess is toxic. The question is whether everything needs
> > regulation/oversight, or whether we are left to our own devices to
> discern
> > the safety of these highly advertised substances. As I read somewhere
> > recently (maybe here?) "Snake oil always sells."
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 7:43 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > That was what we were told in the 1950s about an event that happened in
> > > the 1930s. Debating the deadliness of a drug that is no longer given to
> > > patients under any circumstance is fine if you just like to debate,
> but I
> > > would rather debate the deadliness of drugs and nutrients that are
> still
> > in
> > > wide use.
> > >
> > > An example is green tea.
> > > (Another is soy protein extract:
> > > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4435388/)
> > > Green tea has been drunk by millions of people for centuries and
> recently
> > > it has been widely advertised as being of value for weight loss and
> other
> > > conditions in the form of an extract. The average person would not
> think
> > > that a simple ethanol extract of green tea could be deadly, but
> > apparently
> > > it can:
> > > .
> > > Abstract:
> > >
> > > "Green tea extract: A potential cause of acute liver failure
> > >
> > >  Despite the generally touted benefits of green tea as a whole,
> clinical
> > > concern regarding its use is emerging and has been linked to its
> > > concentration in multiple herbal supplements.
> > >
> > > Interestingly, the suspected harmful compounds are those previously
> > > proposed to be advantageous for weight-loss, cancer remedy, and
> > > anti-inflammatory purposes.
> > >
> > > Green tea extract is one of the most common herbal supplements ingested
> > > worldwide and is manufactured into more than 100 different
> > over-the-counter
> > > products. Although traditionally considered safe, it has been linked to
> > > hepatotoxicity and led to acute impending liver failure in our
> adolescent
> > > patient. The lack of regulation and provider guidance in the use of
> this
> > > product and dietary supplements in general is significant. We highlight
> > the
> > > importance of monitoring patient use of dietary supplements. (snip)
> > >
> > > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3746392/
> > >
> > > The following link shows that green tea extract is still being sold as
> a
> > > supplement with no warnings about liver toxicity.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-ab=green+tea+extract+safe+dosage=X=0ahUKEwiL3sm1nqreAhVE0FMKHRMCBGkQ1QIIuAEoBg=742=400
> > >
> > > The subject for debate is whether such sales should be stopped or
> allowed
> > > to continue until a large number of people taking green tea extract
> have
> > > had documented liver damage.
> > > Gerry
> > > ==
> > > Mitch Haley via Mercedes  wrote:
> > >
> > > > And https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1770067/.
> > > > Wiki agrees that Thorotrast was VERY dangerous, but well short of
> what
> > > you're implying:
> > > >
> > > > Due to the release of alpha particles, Thorotrast was found to be
> > > extremely carcinogenic. There is a high over-incidence of various
> cancers
> > > in patients who have been treated with Thorotrast. The cancers occur
> some
> > > years (usually 20-30) after injection of Thorotrast. The risk of
> > developing
> > > liver cancer (or bile duct cancer) in former Thorotrast patients has
> been
> > > measured to be well above 100 times the risk of the rest of the
> > population.
> > > The risk of leukemia appears to be 20 times higher in Thorotrast
> > patients.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On October 27, 2018 at 11:37 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > > > One of the saddest cases of radiation poisoning in the 1930s was
> > > Thorotrast.
> > > > > It was an oral contrast medium that did a beautiful job of
> outlining
> > > and diagnosing the liver. Every single patient to whom it was given
> died;
> > > 

Re: [MBZ] OT: Boots update

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Why didn’t you just wait a few days and retrieve it from the yard?

-D

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 3:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Are you laces the thin black material thats kinda waxy? I kinda like those, 
> Buster ate one of mine so I replaced with cheaper, thicker brown cord. I'd 
> kind of like to get another set of the originals...
> -Curt
> 
>On Monday, October 29, 2018, 7:29:06 AM EDT, Michael Esh via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Is neetsfoot with beeswax sold in stores or is it a home brew?  
> I ended up buying a mid price Redwing steel toe boot called Irish Setter from 
> Okun Bros shoe store in Kalamazoo. They have been in business for 90 years. 
> The were $169.00. 
> I probably could have ordered them and saved 15.00 but going to the store, 
> seeing my options and trying them on was worth it. The only thing I did not 
> like about them were the laces. They were very thin and did not feel good in 
> my hands. I replaced them with the laces from my old boots. (Even though the 
> shorts are getting a bit worn.)
> I’m hoping they will outlive me. 
> Has anyone successfully cut laces out of the leather of their old boots?
> 
> Here is a link to them if anyone is interested.  
> https://www.irishsetterboots.com/USD/product/work-boots/83624-6-brown?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvY3x38Or3gIVW7XACh3JjwWvEAQYBiABEgLnSvD_BwE
> Michael E. Esh
> 
> 
> On Oct 28, 2018, at 11:07 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>>> Curt wrote:
>> 
>>> I can't remember who suggested neets foot oil with bees wax
>> 
>> That was me.  I still haven't mixed up a batch.
>> 
>>> Mixed up my regular beeswax cut about 50% with the oil. I was pleased how
>>> easily it works in...  The leather feels softer than before so
>>> at least something has happened. 
>> 
>> Nice!  Wax to keep out the water, oil to keep the leather happy.
>> I'm glad it seems to be doing something helpful.
>> 
>>> Maybe tomorrow I'll give them a shot, certainly Buster didn't
>>> like sitting inside all day today but it was blustery and
>>> miserable.
>> 
>> And that's the real test - does it keep the water out?  And is the
>> leather staying flexible?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boots update

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Are you laces the thin black material thats kinda waxy? I kinda like those, 
Buster ate one of mine so I replaced with cheaper, thicker brown cord. I'd kind 
of like to get another set of the originals...
-Curt

On Monday, October 29, 2018, 7:29:06 AM EDT, Michael Esh via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Is neetsfoot with beeswax sold in stores or is it a home brew?  
I ended up buying a mid price Redwing steel toe boot called Irish Setter from 
Okun Bros shoe store in Kalamazoo. They have been in business for 90 years. The 
were $169.00. 
I probably could have ordered them and saved 15.00 but going to the store, 
seeing my options and trying them on was worth it. The only thing I did not 
like about them were the laces. They were very thin and did not feel good in my 
hands. I replaced them with the laces from my old boots. (Even though the 
shorts are getting a bit worn.)
I’m hoping they will outlive me. 
Has anyone successfully cut laces out of the leather of their old boots?

Here is a link to them if anyone is interested.  
https://www.irishsetterboots.com/USD/product/work-boots/83624-6-brown?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvY3x38Or3gIVW7XACh3JjwWvEAQYBiABEgLnSvD_BwE
Michael E. Esh


On Oct 28, 2018, at 11:07 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

>> Curt wrote:
> 
>> I can't remember who suggested neets foot oil with bees wax
> 
> That was me.  I still haven't mixed up a batch.
> 
>> Mixed up my regular beeswax cut about 50% with the oil. I was pleased how
>> easily it works in...  The leather feels softer than before so
>> at least something has happened. 
> 
> Nice!  Wax to keep out the water, oil to keep the leather happy.
> I'm glad it seems to be doing something helpful.
> 
>> Maybe tomorrow I'll give them a shot, certainly Buster didn't
>> like sitting inside all day today but it was blustery and
>> miserable.
> 
> And that's the real test - does it keep the water out?  And is the
> leather staying flexible?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boots update

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Yesterday was a success, dry feet, water beads off the boots nicely and I 
think that the leather feels softer than before overall a success. I'll know 
more in a couple weeks when I go to deer camp, a week in the bush is a good 
test...
-Curt

On Sunday, October 28, 2018, 11:08:35 PM EDT, fmiser via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 > Curt wrote:

> I can't remember who suggested neets foot oil with bees wax

That was me.  I still haven't mixed up a batch.

> Mixed up my regular beeswax cut about 50% with the oil. I was pleased how
> easily it works in...  The leather feels softer than before so
> at least something has happened. 

Nice!  Wax to keep out the water, oil to keep the leather happy.
I'm glad it seems to be doing something helpful.

> Maybe tomorrow I'll give them a shot, certainly Buster didn't
> like sitting inside all day today but it was blustery and
> miserable.

And that's the real test - does it keep the water out?  And is the
leather staying flexible?

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Re: [MBZ] 124 master cylinder

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Seems like there are some anti tamper labeling and packaging requirements
also, fwiw.

https://www.loftware.com/blog/ece-r90-regulation-calls-for-new-labeling-of-brake-components

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 8:39 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Similar issue with checking to see if your money is held in a bank account
> covered by FDIC insurance.  Crucial step in verifying that is going to the
> FDIC website to see if your bank is covered.
>
> In this case, I tried to go to any UN website for ECE to find out if they
> list brake pad makers who meet the cert, but Fire Fox says the page is
> unsafe - doesn't meet security.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 9:34 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I thought the same thing. Maybe it takes them awhile to catch up.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 5:23 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The counterfeits don't copy all the certification stamps?
> > > Mitch.
> > >
> > > > On October 28, 2018 at 8:07 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Im sure real akebono are fine. I think the point of the cert is to
> > > > distinguish real ones from counterfeit ones
> > > >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Electrical weirdness

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I got that also. Works great but the light is better.

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 9:02 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Fuses C and 9 both seem to be related to "Comfort Circuit" as well as a
> bunch of other stuff, I'll have to dig into the wiring diagram a bit to
> puzzle it out.
>
> I think that 100 mA draw is excessive, would like to know if I can fix
> that, IF it is not normal.
>
> BTW I ordered the $28 Clamp-on DC meter (Amazon) that was recently shared
> on the list, if it is any good it will help with future diagnoses.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 9:57 AM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 12:59:53 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Pulling either fuse C or fuse 9 would almost totally eliminate that
> > > drain.
> >
> > Or?  What do fuse C and fuse 9 power?
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boots update

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Make 'em as long as you can stand 'em, if you ever find yourself in a survival 
situation, you can use them in many ways (hang your socks to dry, make a small 
animal trap, make a sling to kill Goliath, etc.).
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 29, 2018 12:43:32 PM EDT, Michael Esh via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>A, hadn’t thought of that.  Good idea. 
>
>Michael E. Esh
>
>
>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 7:56 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> Michael, get some parachute cord and make your own laces.  True
>parachute cord is far stronger and more durable than leather laces. 
>More cachet too.
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>>> On October 29, 2018 7:28:15 AM EDT, Michael Esh via Mercedes
> wrote:
>>> Is neetsfoot with beeswax sold in stores or is it a home brew?  
>>> I ended up buying a mid price Redwing steel toe boot called Irish
>>> Setter from Okun Bros shoe store in Kalamazoo. They have been in
>>> business for 90 years. The were $169.00. 
>>> I probably could have ordered them and saved 15.00 but going to the
>>> store, seeing my options and trying them on was worth it. The only
>>> thing I did not like about them were the laces. They were very thin
>and
>>> did not feel good in my hands. I replaced them with the laces from
>my
>>> old boots. (Even though the shorts are getting a bit worn.)
>>> I’m hoping they will outlive me. 
>>> Has anyone successfully cut laces out of the leather of their old
>>> boots?
>>> 
>>> Here is a link to them if anyone is interested.   
>>>
>https://www.irishsetterboots.com/USD/product/work-boots/83624-6-brown?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvY3x38Or3gIVW7XACh3JjwWvEAQYBiABEgLnSvD_BwE
>>> Michael E. Esh
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 11:07 PM, fmiser via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
> Curt wrote:
 
> I can't remember who suggested neets foot oil with bees wax
 
 That was me.  I still haven't mixed up a batch.
 
> Mixed up my regular beeswax cut about 50% with the oil. I was
>>> pleased how
> easily it works in...   The leather feels softer than before so
> at least something has happened. 
 
 Nice!  Wax to keep out the water, oil to keep the leather happy.
 I'm glad it seems to be doing something helpful.
 
> Maybe tomorrow I'll give them a shot, certainly Buster didn't
> like sitting inside all day today but it was blustery and
> miserable.
 
 And that's the real test - does it keep the water out?  And is the
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Re: [MBZ] OT Did U.S. Geological Survey employee collude with the Russians to Hack Hillary?

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On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 11:29:30 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

>  Probably wasn't Andrew.
> "Government auditors traced a malware infection back to a single
> porn-watching employee within the U.S. Geological Survey."
> https://www.nextgov.com/cio-briefing/2018/10/porn-watching-employee-infected-government-networks-russian-malware-ig-says/152307/
> 
> "The problem is so prevalent that Rep. Mark Meadows, R-N.C., has
> introduced legislation
> 
> banning pornography at federal agencies three different times."

At the Lab in Los Alamos, pornography was definitely forbidden. Even Ebay
was suspect.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boots update

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A, hadn’t thought of that.  Good idea. 

Michael E. Esh


> On Oct 29, 2018, at 7:56 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Michael, get some parachute cord and make your own laces.  True parachute 
> cord is far stronger and more durable than leather laces.  More cachet too.
> -- 
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> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
>> On October 29, 2018 7:28:15 AM EDT, Michael Esh via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Is neetsfoot with beeswax sold in stores or is it a home brew?  
>> I ended up buying a mid price Redwing steel toe boot called Irish
>> Setter from Okun Bros shoe store in Kalamazoo. They have been in
>> business for 90 years. The were $169.00. 
>> I probably could have ordered them and saved 15.00 but going to the
>> store, seeing my options and trying them on was worth it. The only
>> thing I did not like about them were the laces. They were very thin and
>> did not feel good in my hands. I replaced them with the laces from my
>> old boots. (Even though the shorts are getting a bit worn.)
>> I’m hoping they will outlive me. 
>> Has anyone successfully cut laces out of the leather of their old
>> boots?
>> 
>> Here is a link to them if anyone is interested.   
>> https://www.irishsetterboots.com/USD/product/work-boots/83624-6-brown?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvY3x38Or3gIVW7XACh3JjwWvEAQYBiABEgLnSvD_BwE
>> Michael E. Esh
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 11:07 PM, fmiser via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
 Curt wrote:
>>> 
 I can't remember who suggested neets foot oil with bees wax
>>> 
>>> That was me.  I still haven't mixed up a batch.
>>> 
 Mixed up my regular beeswax cut about 50% with the oil. I was
>> pleased how
 easily it works in...   The leather feels softer than before so
 at least something has happened. 
>>> 
>>> Nice!  Wax to keep out the water, oil to keep the leather happy.
>>> I'm glad it seems to be doing something helpful.
>>> 
 Maybe tomorrow I'll give them a shot, certainly Buster didn't
 like sitting inside all day today but it was blustery and
 miserable.
>>> 
>>> And that's the real test - does it keep the water out?  And is the
>>> leather staying flexible?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boots update

[MG via Mercedes]

It was just right in Orlando for our 2nd 
Octoberfest weekend. It sure brought the 
people out. We almost sold out of beer. 
Emptied about 125 50lt kegs. Fun was had by 
all. Some more so then others.


MG

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

 Is that warm for this time of year? The temp here is about right (high in the 
low '40s) for this time of year but the wind and rain were quite vicious.
I was in Vancouver the past week, it was lovely there until Thursday, then 
rainy but still fairly warm. Spent 3 hours in LA on Friday while flying home, 
sunny and hot, big surprise...
-Curt

On Saturday, October 27, 2018, 8:25:17 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 >

Maybe tomorrow I'll give them a shot, certainly Buster didn't like
sitting inside all day today but it was blustery and miserable... -Curt

What would Buster have done if you had turned him out into the blustery
miserableness?



Hmmm . fickle weather. It was sunny and 78F today here while two of us ran
another 500 ft. of replacement runway light wire (it should have been in
conduit the first time).



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Re: [MBZ] Electrical weirdness

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Fuses C and 9 both seem to be related to "Comfort Circuit" as well as a
bunch of other stuff, I'll have to dig into the wiring diagram a bit to
puzzle it out.

I think that 100 mA draw is excessive, would like to know if I can fix
that, IF it is not normal.

BTW I ordered the $28 Clamp-on DC meter (Amazon) that was recently shared
on the list, if it is any good it will help with future diagnoses.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 9:57 AM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 12:59:53 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Pulling either fuse C or fuse 9 would almost totally eliminate that
> > drain.
>
> Or?  What do fuse C and fuse 9 power?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Looks like a good deal

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That sounds like all the o-rings on the fuel lines (about seven of them I
think) need to be replaced.  IP stays in the car, just need to remove the
intake manifold (new gasket) to get to all of them.  Rather a tedious job,
need to get the o-rings in advance.
-
Max
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On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 10:09 AM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 20:49:22 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
>
> > 1996 Mercedes Benz E300 Diesel
> >
> >
> https://lascruces.craigslist.org/cto/d/1996-mercedes-benz-e300-diesel/6734978327.html
>
> How difficult is it to reseal the IP? Does it need to be taken out of the
> car?
>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 master cylinder

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Similar issue with checking to see if your money is held in a bank account
covered by FDIC insurance.  Crucial step in verifying that is going to the
FDIC website to see if your bank is covered.

In this case, I tried to go to any UN website for ECE to find out if they
list brake pad makers who meet the cert, but Fire Fox says the page is
unsafe - doesn't meet security.
-
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On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 9:34 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I thought the same thing. Maybe it takes them awhile to catch up.
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 5:23 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The counterfeits don't copy all the certification stamps?
> > Mitch.
> >
> > > On October 28, 2018 at 8:07 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Im sure real akebono are fine. I think the point of the cert is to
> > > distinguish real ones from counterfeit ones
> > >
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[MBZ] OT Did U.S. Geological Survey employee collude with the Russians to Hack Hillary?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

 Probably wasn't Andrew.
"Government auditors traced a malware infection back to a single
porn-watching employee within the U.S. Geological Survey."
https://www.nextgov.com/cio-briefing/2018/10/porn-watching-employee-infected-government-networks-russian-malware-ig-says/152307/

"The problem is so prevalent that Rep. Mark Meadows, R-N.C., has introduced
legislation
 banning
pornography at federal agencies three different times."



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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** This looks pretty nice

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

You can just leave the top down and drive it like that, won't have to 
think about the ragtop aspect.  Truly a roadster!


--FT


On 10/29/18 10:10 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Crap class convertibles are cabriolets, meaning they are ragtops rather than 
the hard top “Vario” roofs.

No crap class cars, thank you.

-D


On Oct 29, 2018, at 10:04 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:

good price just in time for winter, I think Poos needs it

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/2003-mercedes-benz/6734991792.html

Some of the hydraulics gone wonky?

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** This looks pretty nice

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Crap class convertibles are cabriolets, meaning they are ragtops rather than 
the hard top “Vario” roofs.

No crap class cars, thank you.

-D

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 10:04 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> good price just in time for winter, I think Poos needs it
> 
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/2003-mercedes-benz/6734991792.html
> 
> Some of the hydraulics gone wonky?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Looks like a good deal

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On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 20:49:22 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> 1996 Mercedes Benz E300 Diesel
> 
> https://lascruces.craigslist.org/cto/d/1996-mercedes-benz-e300-diesel/6734978327.html

How difficult is it to reseal the IP? Does it need to be taken out of the
car?


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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** This looks pretty nice

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

good price just in time for winter, I think Poos needs it

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/2003-mercedes-benz/6734991792.html

Some of the hydraulics gone wonky?

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Re: [MBZ] Looks like a good deal

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On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 20:49:22 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> 1996 Mercedes Benz E300 Diesel
> 
> https://lascruces.craigslist.org/cto/d/1996-mercedes-benz-e300-diesel/6734978327.html

And that has the naturally-aspirated OM606?

Anything to look out for?


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Re: [MBZ] Electrical weirdness

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On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 12:59:53 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Pulling either fuse C or fuse 9 would almost totally eliminate that
> drain.

Or?  What do fuse C and fuse 9 power?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 124 master cylinder

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I thought the same thing. Maybe it takes them awhile to catch up.

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 5:23 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The counterfeits don't copy all the certification stamps?
> Mitch.
>
> > On October 28, 2018 at 8:07 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OM603 revival

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

Any possibility that the problem relates to some POF the rest of the 
linkage?Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 Date: 2018-10-28  7:03 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 revival BEST THING TO DO IS TO TAKE THE SIDE COVER OFF 
THE IP, then see if wiggleing the stop lever will move the rack at all.   If 
not, the rack may be stuck/rusted.   You will probably be able to see some 
rust, if that is the problem.  If the lever doed not wiggle the rack at all, 
try to see if you can move it a thousandth or 2 (or 5) manually, with a finger 
or screwdriver, but DON"T force it!   Next step would be to hook a hose to the 
vacuum shutoff and suck (or alternately; suck then blow)  on it, and see it 
that wiggles the lever at all.  If not, remove the vacuum actuator, then see if 
the rack advances when the footfeed is floored.One extremely odd thing that 
happened is a broken governor that slammed the rack to the off position, but 
that happened as soon as the car started.   I don't think that is the case 
here, because the shutoff lever is stuck down, but the point is, sometimes 
unheard of things happen.Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:> Jack&  Tim;>> Gentle 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 master cylinder

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The counterfeits don't copy all the certification stamps?
Mitch. 

> On October 28, 2018 at 8:07 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Im sure real akebono are fine. I think the point of the cert is to
> distinguish real ones from counterfeit ones
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boots update

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Michael, get some parachute cord and make your own laces.  True parachute cord 
is far stronger and more durable than leather laces.  More cachet too.
-- 
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'95 E300

On October 29, 2018 7:28:15 AM EDT, Michael Esh via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Is neetsfoot with beeswax sold in stores or is it a home brew?  
>I ended up buying a mid price Redwing steel toe boot called Irish
>Setter from Okun Bros shoe store in Kalamazoo. They have been in
>business for 90 years. The were $169.00. 
>I probably could have ordered them and saved 15.00 but going to the
>store, seeing my options and trying them on was worth it. The only
>thing I did not like about them were the laces. They were very thin and
>did not feel good in my hands. I replaced them with the laces from my
>old boots. (Even though the shorts are getting a bit worn.)
>I’m hoping they will outlive me. 
>Has anyone successfully cut laces out of the leather of their old
>boots?
>
>Here is a link to them if anyone is interested.   
>https://www.irishsetterboots.com/USD/product/work-boots/83624-6-brown?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvY3x38Or3gIVW7XACh3JjwWvEAQYBiABEgLnSvD_BwE
>Michael E. Esh
>
>
>On Oct 28, 2018, at 11:07 PM, fmiser via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>>> Curt wrote:
>> 
>>> I can't remember who suggested neets foot oil with bees wax
>> 
>> That was me.  I still haven't mixed up a batch.
>> 
>>> Mixed up my regular beeswax cut about 50% with the oil. I was
>pleased how
>>> easily it works in...   The leather feels softer than before so
>>> at least something has happened. 
>> 
>> Nice!  Wax to keep out the water, oil to keep the leather happy.
>> I'm glad it seems to be doing something helpful.
>> 
>>> Maybe tomorrow I'll give them a shot, certainly Buster didn't
>>> like sitting inside all day today but it was blustery and
>>> miserable.
>> 
>> And that's the real test - does it keep the water out?  And is the
>> leather staying flexible?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Boots update

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

Is neetsfoot with beeswax sold in stores or is it a home brew?  
I ended up buying a mid price Redwing steel toe boot called Irish Setter from 
Okun Bros shoe store in Kalamazoo. They have been in business for 90 years. The 
were $169.00. 
I probably could have ordered them and saved 15.00 but going to the store, 
seeing my options and trying them on was worth it. The only thing I did not 
like about them were the laces. They were very thin and did not feel good in my 
hands. I replaced them with the laces from my old boots. (Even though the 
shorts are getting a bit worn.)
I’m hoping they will outlive me. 
Has anyone successfully cut laces out of the leather of their old boots?

Here is a link to them if anyone is interested.   
https://www.irishsetterboots.com/USD/product/work-boots/83624-6-brown?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvY3x38Or3gIVW7XACh3JjwWvEAQYBiABEgLnSvD_BwE
Michael E. Esh


On Oct 28, 2018, at 11:07 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

>> Curt wrote:
> 
>> I can't remember who suggested neets foot oil with bees wax
> 
> That was me.  I still haven't mixed up a batch.
> 
>> Mixed up my regular beeswax cut about 50% with the oil. I was pleased how
>> easily it works in...   The leather feels softer than before so
>> at least something has happened. 
> 
> Nice!  Wax to keep out the water, oil to keep the leather happy.
> I'm glad it seems to be doing something helpful.
> 
>> Maybe tomorrow I'll give them a shot, certainly Buster didn't
>> like sitting inside all day today but it was blustery and
>> miserable.
> 
> And that's the real test - does it keep the water out?  And is the
> leather staying flexible?
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