Re: [MBZ] Finnie Fun!

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

While not strictly necessary, I find that a POR-15 repair lasts longer if the 
rust is completely removed with multiple applications of naval jelly. Over a 
period of 1-2 days, the rust can be completely dissolved giving you a nice rust 
free, pickled surface which is optimal for POR-15 adhesion.

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> 
> http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/23_No_Junk_in_this_Trunk_Part_2.html
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Doesn't look like a special edition to me.  Not burl wood.  No heated seats. No 
VIN to confirm. No special great shift handle. 

However, the price is nice. 
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Re: [MBZ] OM60x belt tensioner

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I think the clutched alternator bearing is probably as important as the
tensioner bearing in terms of preserving the tensioner.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 6:01 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
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> I thought I remembered replacing the one double row bearing with two
> bearings way back when, but I could be remembering Jim's escapade instead …
>
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 8:29 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> > > I knocked out the bearing.  It is a dual row ball bearing, FAG 565593.
> I
> > can't find that number anywhere.  I suspect it is a special bearing just
> > for this application.  german websites yielded nothing also.
> >
> > From my SDL (2004) notes:
> >
> > "I put the SDL back together.  The (2) new belt tensioner bearings I
> > bought were 12mm thick, to replace the (1) 30mm original bearing.
> > That meant I had to come up with 6mm of washer, which I made out of
> > two 3mm thick fender washers in which I burned a bigger center hole
> > with the torch.  Messy job, and I probably need to re-do it at some
> > time, since it turned out a little too thick and the circlip wouldn't
> > go in.  But I need a new belt anyway, and I'll tackle it again when it
> > comes in."
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Re: [MBZ] E300D Transmission pan torque spec?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I think it's 8 Nm?  It's really low.  
-- 
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>How tight should I torque the 6 bolts which hold the pan to the
>automatic
>transmission  in my 1993 E300D/2.5 Turbo?
>
>I looked in the electronic service manual, but could not find the
>number.
>
>Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] BAT Worthy?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Only sellers care about that stuff, right?

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> I’m struggling to understand what makes this car BAT worthy?
>
> I’ll probably get dinged for posting my comment, too….
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Re: [MBZ] New Windshield

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That's frustrating.  This channel was a concern, the aftermarket glass that I 
just replaced had a channel that separated from the glass shortly after 
installation.  Very frustrating, could never get the rubber strip to lay down 
and hold.

Rich and I worked pretty hard to remove the windshield intact, I'm very happy 
that I was able to reuse it.  Not the easiest route, but the end result was 
worth it.
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>That channel was a major issue for me when I was trying and ultimately
>gave up finding a windshield for my 93 400E.
>
>I gave the VIN and all identifying information to the glass company,
>and they guy came THREE times with the later windshield that had the
>bracket. I think it would have fit, however, I wasn’t taking a chance.
>I sent him back every time with the information and we took all the
>trim off and took pictures of the existing windshield so he could prove
>to his people that it didn’t have a bracket. I even arranged for them
>to get the correct one from Mercedes, but they didn’t want to go that
>route because they couldn’t make as much money since it wasn’t cheap
>imported glass that everyone uses these days.
>
>I finally gave up after the third try.
>
>Glad yours worked out.
>
>-D
>
>
>> On Feb 23, 2019, at 6:10 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes
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>> 
>> Follow-up on the installation of a "new" windshield in my '95 E300. 
>Very
>> happy with the installation.  One of the tricky parts on the later
>124 cars
>> is a plastic channel the runs along the bottom edge of the
>windshield.  The
>> channel accepts the top edge of a rubber gasket, which bridges the
>gap
>> between the bottom edge of the glass and the plastic water channels
>that
>> drain off water so it doesn't go down into the electronics and such
>between
>> the firewall and the bulkhead of the passenger compartment.
>> 
>> I had to find an aftermarket supplier of that channel, as MB does not
>sell
>> it separately from a new windshield.  I am happy to report that this
>> channel fits quite nicely.
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this?

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Special Edition? 

Bob R

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[MBZ] Somebody needs this?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Navy files for patent on room-temperature superconductor

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Very cool! (pun intended). I hope it actually works, and that the pulsed
current needed is not a significant factor.

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> Interesting!
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
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>
> > <
> >
> https://phys.org/news/2019-02-navy-patent-room-temperature-superconductor.html
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] E300D Transmission pan torque spec?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

To me it is less than "snug."  I looked it up once and remembered the 
feel.  That is my "torque wrench" now.  start all bolts  and un un unil 
there are just a couple turns left.  Then run in the bolts until they 
just start to fell resistance. That is about all there is.   It is 
better done with an inch-lb wrench.


Craig via Mercedes wrote on 2/23/19 7:36 PM:

On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 19:18:26 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:


I don't have the spec but it seems loose.  I think it is about 10 ft
lb.  Maybe 12.   No more than 15 for sure.  As a reference, 25 ft lb is
as tight as you can go with one hand on a ratchet, wit your thumb
wrapped around the head of the ratchet.    Do not tighten to 20 ft lb,
as that WILL bend the pan.

Thank you. I recalled the problem of bending the pan and wanted to make
sure to not do that!


Craig




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[MBZ] Finnie Fun!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yup, no rest for the wicked. Got the trunk cleaned out in preparation for some 
POR-15 and some more trim work done.

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/23_No_Junk_in_this_Trunk_Part_2.html

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Re: [MBZ] W124 Facelift?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The facelift primarily affected the front clip.

-D


> On Feb 23, 2019, at 8:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 90-93 had updated trim etc but was not facelifted 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Feb 23, 2019, at 7:03 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> There must have been two facelifts then, because the '90-'93 had the
>> plastic panels on the bottom of the fenders and doors, while the '86-'89
>> didn't. My '90 and '93 were the same, the son's '87 was the first style.
>> 
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 5:17 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Facelift was 95/95
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 23, 2019, at 5:09 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 But didn't the 300D 2,5t stay the same from 90-93?   Why did I think
 facelift was 94 & 95?
 I stand to learn.
 
 Dwight Giles Jr.
 Wickford RI
 
 On Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 3:17 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
> I it was in 1993.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes >>> 
> wrote:
>> 
>> When did the W124 facelift occur?
>> 
>> Was it simultaneous for all W124 models?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] E300D Transmission pan torque spec?

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On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 19:18:26 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I don't have the spec but it seems loose.  I think it is about 10 ft 
> lb.  Maybe 12.   No more than 15 for sure.  As a reference, 25 ft lb is 
> as tight as you can go with one hand on a ratchet, wit your thumb 
> wrapped around the head of the ratchet.    Do not tighten to 20 ft lb, 
> as that WILL bend the pan.

Thank you. I recalled the problem of bending the pan and wanted to make
sure to not do that!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W124 Facelift?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

90-93 had updated trim etc but was not facelifted 

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> On Feb 23, 2019, at 7:03 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> There must have been two facelifts then, because the '90-'93 had the
> plastic panels on the bottom of the fenders and doors, while the '86-'89
> didn't. My '90 and '93 were the same, the son's '87 was the first style.
> 
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 5:17 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Facelift was 95/95
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2019, at 5:09 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> But didn't the 300D 2,5t stay the same from 90-93?   Why did I think
>>> facelift was 94 & 95?
>>> I stand to learn.
>>> 
>>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>>> Wickford RI
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 3:17 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I it was in 1993.
 
 -D
 
 
> On Feb 23, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes >> 
 wrote:
> 
> When did the W124 facelift occur?
> 
> Was it simultaneous for all W124 models?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Facelift?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

But no grille/headlight changes till 94?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 8:04 PM OK Don via Mercedes  There must have been two facelifts then, because the '90-'93 had the
> plastic panels on the bottom of the fenders and doors, while the '86-'89
> didn't. My '90 and '93 were the same, the son's '87 was the first style.
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 5:17 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Facelift was 95/95
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> > > On Feb 23, 2019, at 5:09 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > But didn't the 300D 2,5t stay the same from 90-93?   Why did I think
> > > facelift was 94 & 95?
> > > I stand to learn.
> > >
> > > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > > Wickford RI
> > >
> > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 3:17 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I it was in 1993.
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Feb 23, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes <
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> > >
> > >> wrote:
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> > >>> When did the W124 facelift occur?
> > >>>
> > >>> Was it simultaneous for all W124 models?
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Facelift?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That was a 94

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> On Feb 23, 2019, at 7:21 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> the 93 kleb sold me had the newer prastic and the new style hood and grill.
> 
> OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 2/23/19 7:03 PM:
>> There must have been two facelifts then, because the '90-'93 had the
>> plastic panels on the bottom of the fenders and doors, while the '86-'89
>> didn't. My '90 and '93 were the same, the son's '87 was the first style.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Facelift?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

the 93 kleb sold me had the newer prastic and the new style hood and grill.

OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 2/23/19 7:03 PM:

There must have been two facelifts then, because the '90-'93 had the
plastic panels on the bottom of the fenders and doors, while the '86-'89
didn't. My '90 and '93 were the same, the son's '87 was the first style.





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Re: [MBZ] It's broke

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

front or rear?  You can do it with a jack stand or blocks and a floor jack.
 you really don't need the Klann for a 123.


Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote on 2/23/19 6:59 PM:

W123 left coil spring.  Pieces laying on the driveway.
Klann comes to mind as the special tool to remove the spring, but this
spring appears to be already removed, in pieces.  OOPS
Tell me about this fix, please?  Has anyone done this?
Thanks.
tin




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Re: [MBZ] E300D Transmission pan torque spec?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I don't have the spec but it seems loose.  I think it is about 10 ft 
lb.  Maybe 12.   No more than 15 for sure.  As a reference, 25 ft lb is 
as tight as you can go with one hand on a ratchet, wit your thumb 
wrapped around the head of the ratchet.    Do not tighten to 20 ft lb, 
as that WILL bend the pan.


Craig via Mercedes wrote on 2/23/19 6:28 PM:

How tight should I torque the 6 bolts which hold the pan to the automatic
transmission  in my 1993 E300D/2.5 Turbo?

I looked in the electronic service manual, but could not find the number.

Thanks,


Craig





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Re: [MBZ] W124 Facelift?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

In the year 2525, if man is still alive...

https://youtu.be/izQB2-Kmiic

-- 
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Charleston SC

On February 23, 2019 6:17:40 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>Facelift was 95/95
>
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: OT to the nth: Why do zebras have stripes?

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Gerry wrote:
> A character in Hemingways book said something like that.

Hemingway grew up in the same town I did - Oak Park.
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Facelift?

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There must have been two facelifts then, because the '90-'93 had the
plastic panels on the bottom of the fenders and doors, while the '86-'89
didn't. My '90 and '93 were the same, the son's '87 was the first style.

On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 5:17 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Facelift was 95/95
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 23, 2019, at 5:09 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > But didn't the 300D 2,5t stay the same from 90-93?   Why did I think
> > facelift was 94 & 95?
> > I stand to learn.
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 3:17 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I it was in 1993.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Feb 23, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes  >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> When did the W124 facelift occur?
> >>>
> >>> Was it simultaneous for all W124 models?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Craig
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[MBZ] It's broke

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

W123 left coil spring.  Pieces laying on the driveway.
Klann comes to mind as the special tool to remove the spring, but this
spring appears to be already removed, in pieces.  OOPS
Tell me about this fix, please?  Has anyone done this?
Thanks.
tin

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Re: [MBZ] 129 SL top

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It’s silver not black but if I can get it cheap I have some notion it would be 
good to have around, just because you never know when there might be a tree hit 
or something. 

I’ll wave $150, that’s probably reasonable esp if he has to move and get out of 
there

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Feb 23, 2019, at 5:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Happens all the time. In a lot of cases people think they’re worth big bucks, 
> but I see them around here on CL in the range you’re seeing.
> 
> He’s got a limited market of customers. Insult him while waving the cash in 
> front of him. These DO NOT sell on eBay for $1000. Challenge him to show you 
> a completed auction for one at that price. Unless he’s confused his with a 
> panoramic hard top, which is worth about $2k-$3k, eBay sold/completed  
> auctions are in the $200-$300 range.
> 
> Is it the same color as your car? If not, why bother? And when you look at 
> it, be sure to check the headliner for condition, the weatherstrip, and the 
> window seals. All areas where you could beat him down on condition. I’ll bet 
> the headliner is loose or hanging.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> saw this on CL, figured an extra top couldn't be a bad thing
>> 
>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/pts/d/charleston-mercedes-r129-sl500-sl600/6824295378.html
>> 
>> He wants $250 but offer $200 if in OK shape?  Guy sold the car and for 
>> reason kept the top now they are moving and want to get rid of it.  Should I 
>> insult him with $150?
>> 
>> I wonder if that thing will fit in the Suburban
>> 
>> -- 
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[MBZ] E300D Transmission pan torque spec?

[Craig via Mercedes]

How tight should I torque the 6 bolts which hold the pan to the automatic
transmission  in my 1993 E300D/2.5 Turbo?

I looked in the electronic service manual, but could not find the number.

Thanks,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] New Windshield

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That channel was a major issue for me when I was trying and ultimately gave up 
finding a windshield for my 93 400E.

I gave the VIN and all identifying information to the glass company, and they 
guy came THREE times with the later windshield that had the bracket. I think it 
would have fit, however, I wasn’t taking a chance. I sent him back every time 
with the information and we took all the trim off and took pictures of the 
existing windshield so he could prove to his people that it didn’t have a 
bracket. I even arranged for them to get the correct one from Mercedes, but 
they didn’t want to go that route because they couldn’t make as much money 
since it wasn’t cheap imported glass that everyone uses these days.

I finally gave up after the third try.

Glad yours worked out.

-D


> On Feb 23, 2019, at 6:10 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
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> 
> Follow-up on the installation of a "new" windshield in my '95 E300.  Very
> happy with the installation.  One of the tricky parts on the later 124 cars
> is a plastic channel the runs along the bottom edge of the windshield.  The
> channel accepts the top edge of a rubber gasket, which bridges the gap
> between the bottom edge of the glass and the plastic water channels that
> drain off water so it doesn't go down into the electronics and such between
> the firewall and the bulkhead of the passenger compartment.
> 
> I had to find an aftermarket supplier of that channel, as MB does not sell
> it separately from a new windshield.  I am happy to report that this
> channel fits quite nicely.
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: OT to the nth: Why do zebras have stripes?

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

A character in Hemingways book said something like that. Maybe that's where 
they got the idea for the song.
Gerry

> From the song “Africa” by the band Toto.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Feb 23, 2019, at 11:53 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
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> > From: "The Snows of Kilimanjaro" by Ernest Hemingway???
> > 
> >> As sure as Kilimanjaro rises like Olympus above the Serengeti
> >> I seek to cure what's deep inside, frightened of this thing that I've 
> >> become
> >> 
> >> --FT
> >> 
> >> On 2/22/19 4:38 PM, Rdeafboy via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> I was in Africa in the Serengeti  and I know why they are striped ...Off 
> >>> in the distance the pack of zebras were hiding in the forest of GRAY ash 
> >>> trees after a stampede . You could NOT see them Blends right in...BTW 
> >>>  they are 50/50 when it comes to black/white coloration.
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Facelift?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Facelift was 95/95

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 23, 2019, at 5:09 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> But didn't the 300D 2,5t stay the same from 90-93?   Why did I think
> facelift was 94 & 95?
> I stand to learn.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 3:17 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
>> I it was in 1993.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> When did the W124 facelift occur?
>>> 
>>> Was it simultaneous for all W124 models?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Facelift?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Oh OK. I got it.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 3:29 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  To clarify, 1994 and 1995 models were facelift. The change took place at
> the end of the 1993 model year.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Feb 23, 2019, at 3:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I it was in 1993.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >> On Feb 23, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> When did the W124 facelift occur?
> >>
> >> Was it simultaneous for all W124 models?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >>
> >> Craig
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[MBZ] New Windshield

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Follow-up on the installation of a "new" windshield in my '95 E300.  Very
happy with the installation.  One of the tricky parts on the later 124 cars
is a plastic channel the runs along the bottom edge of the windshield.  The
channel accepts the top edge of a rubber gasket, which bridges the gap
between the bottom edge of the glass and the plastic water channels that
drain off water so it doesn't go down into the electronics and such between
the firewall and the bulkhead of the passenger compartment.

I had to find an aftermarket supplier of that channel, as MB does not sell
it separately from a new windshield.  I am happy to report that this
channel fits quite nicely.
-
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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Facelift?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

But didn't the 300D 2,5t stay the same from 90-93?   Why did I think
facelift was 94 & 95?
I stand to learn.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 3:17 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  I it was in 1993.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Feb 23, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
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> >
> > When did the W124 facelift occur?
> >
> > Was it simultaneous for all W124 models?
> >
> > Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Navy files for patent on room-temperature superconductor

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Interesting!
-
Max
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> <
> https://phys.org/news/2019-02-navy-patent-room-temperature-superconductor.html
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Re: [MBZ] 129 SL top

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Happens all the time. In a lot of cases people think they’re worth big bucks, 
but I see them around here on CL in the range you’re seeing.

He’s got a limited market of customers. Insult him while waving the cash in 
front of him. These DO NOT sell on eBay for $1000. Challenge him to show you a 
completed auction for one at that price. Unless he’s confused his with a 
panoramic hard top, which is worth about $2k-$3k, eBay sold/completed  auctions 
are in the $200-$300 range.

Is it the same color as your car? If not, why bother? And when you look at it, 
be sure to check the headliner for condition, the weatherstrip, and the window 
seals. All areas where you could beat him down on condition. I’ll bet the 
headliner is loose or hanging.

-D


 
> On Feb 23, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> saw this on CL, figured an extra top couldn't be a bad thing
> 
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/pts/d/charleston-mercedes-r129-sl500-sl600/6824295378.html
> 
> He wants $250 but offer $200 if in OK shape?  Guy sold the car and for reason 
> kept the top now they are moving and want to get rid of it.  Should I insult 
> him with $150?
> 
> I wonder if that thing will fit in the Suburban
> 
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[MBZ] 129 SL top

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

saw this on CL, figured an extra top couldn't be a bad thing

https://charleston.craigslist.org/pts/d/charleston-mercedes-r129-sl500-sl600/6824295378.html

He wants $250 but offer $200 if in OK shape?  Guy sold the car and for 
reason kept the top now they are moving and want to get rid of it.  
Should I insult him with $150?


I wonder if that thing will fit in the Suburban

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Re: [MBZ] W124 Facelift?

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On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 13:13:16 -0700 Craig via Mercedes
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> When did the W124 facelift occur?
> 
> Was it simultaneous for all W124 models?

Thank you Dan and Kaleb for the information.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT I'm changing my name to Sonny

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When I have the car the ladies will flock to Sonny!

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On 2/23/19 3:14 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

With bid at $124,000 better hurry up with those coke busts and asset
seizures for some ready green. Wonder what a tuneup costs on one of those?
$5,000?

Then, there is the arm candy cost... have to keep a stable of hot chicks to
ride along happy.

On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 9:32 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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buying some pastel-colored clothes (wait. I have some already), and
buying this car

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-ferrari-512-tr-5/

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Re: [MBZ] W124 Facelift?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

To clarify, 1994 and 1995 models were facelift. The change took place at the 
end of the 1993 model year.

-D


> On Feb 23, 2019, at 3:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> I it was in 1993.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> When did the W124 facelift occur?
>> 
>> Was it simultaneous for all W124 models?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Facelift?

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94

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 23, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> When did the W124 facelift occur?
> 
> Was it simultaneous for all W124 models?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Facelift?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I it was in 1993.

-D


> On Feb 23, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> When did the W124 facelift occur?
> 
> Was it simultaneous for all W124 models?
> 
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> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT I'm changing my name to Sonny

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With bid at $124,000 better hurry up with those coke busts and asset
seizures for some ready green. Wonder what a tuneup costs on one of those?
$5,000?

Then, there is the arm candy cost... have to keep a stable of hot chicks to
ride along happy.

On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 9:32 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> buying some pastel-colored clothes (wait. I have some already), and
> buying this car
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-ferrari-512-tr-5/
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[MBZ] W124 Facelift?

[Craig via Mercedes]

When did the W124 facelift occur?

Was it simultaneous for all W124 models?

Thanks,


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[MBZ] OT: Navy files for patent on room-temperature superconductor

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

 

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: OT to the nth: Why do zebras have stripes?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

From the song “Africa” by the band Toto.

-D


> On Feb 23, 2019, at 11:53 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
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> From: "The Snows of Kilimanjaro" by Ernest Hemingway???
> 
>> As sure as Kilimanjaro rises like Olympus above the Serengeti
>> I seek to cure what's deep inside, frightened of this thing that I've become
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> On 2/22/19 4:38 PM, Rdeafboy via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I was in Africa in the Serengeti  and I know why they are striped ...Off in 
>>> the distance the pack of zebras were hiding in the forest of GRAY ash trees 
>>> after a stampede . You could NOT see them Blends right in...BTW  they 
>>> are 50/50 when it comes to black/white coloration.
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: OT to the nth: Why do zebras have stripes?

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From: "The Snows of Kilimanjaro" by Ernest Hemingway???

> As sure as Kilimanjaro rises like Olympus above the Serengeti
> I seek to cure what's deep inside, frightened of this thing that I've become
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 2/22/19 4:38 PM, Rdeafboy via Mercedes wrote:
> > I was in Africa in the Serengeti  and I know why they are striped ...Off in 
> > the distance the pack of zebras were hiding in the forest of GRAY ash trees 
> > after a stampede . You could NOT see them Blends right in...BTW  they 
> > are 50/50 when it comes to black/white coloration.
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[MBZ] OT I'm changing my name to Sonny

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

buying some pastel-colored clothes (wait. I have some already), and 
buying this car


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-ferrari-512-tr-5/

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Re: [MBZ] OT - FedEx shipping

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On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 01:34:21 -0600 fmiser via Mercedes
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> > Craig wrote:
> 
> > WHY DOES CLICKING REPLY ON CURT'S EMAIL SEND THE REPLY ONLY TO
> > HIM?!
> 
> Maybe Yahoo?
> 
> Same with Jim Cathey, but he doesn't have a Yahoo account.
> 
> Or it is how their clients are configured.  I have to remember to
> "reply all", then delete the non-list name.  

I have to remember to "reply all" and then delete the non-list name, too,
only that time I forgot.


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Re: [MBZ] 124 thumpidy thump

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Dunno, maybe they defer to Classic Center?

This one goes back to 1980:
https://mercedesbenzpartsnow.com/

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 1:03 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
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> So why do all of these parts lookups start with model year 1984?
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> > Penoff via Mercedes
> > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 6:47 PM
> > To: Okie Benz 
> > Cc: Dan Penoff 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 thumpidy thump
> >
> > https://www.genuinemercedesparts.com
> >
> > https://www.mbdirectparts.com
> >
> > https://www.mboemparts.com
> >
> > Any of these dealers will sell to you via the internets at or near
> jobber prices.
> > Granted, you’ll have to pay shipping, but it still may be a good deal
> compared
> > to how badly you local stealership if applying the “MBCA discount” (List
> + 30%
> > less 10%).
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 17, 2019, at 6:32 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > yep, on the 124, you have to take out the whole rod assembly and arm to
> > change the bushing.
> > >
> > > Motor mounts are good, trans mount is new. (now)  new shifter bushing.
> It
> > still goes thumpity thump.   I remember the deal now:  Last year I put
> the new
> > M mounts in, and was going to put in the trans mount but since it looked
> ok,
> > ans I was unable to get the nut off the top, (and ran out of time) I
> left it.   I put
> > a flat washer under the nut, so next time will be no problem.
> > >
> > > Plan now is to get a new bearing and holder/mount; put them on a spare
> > driveshaft, then some time after that is done, swap out the whole
> assembly.
> > >
> > > I need to find a good stealer to by parts from.  not the local keystone
> > cops/robbers.  Will consult the Star for that, and maybe try the stealer
> Q used
> > to get parts from.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote on 2/17/19 5:12 PM:
> > >> Take the shift lever off,  attempting to replace with the lever on
> will result in
> > a chewed up hand.  I know, I tried.  I always take the lever off these
> days.
> > >>
> > >> If the tranny mount was mush, your trouble will go away.
> > >>
> > >> If the rubber part of the mount is well above the frame the engine
> mounts
> > are good.  When they leak out, the rubber gets really close to the
> frame, or
> > actually touches.
> > >>
> > >> Peter
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