Re: [MBZ] Is this madness?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

The diesel donor car would make it a lot easier.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 8:24 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
> I have most of the parts, but there are some key bits that were sold off,
> like the blue flying saucer vacuum control valve. However, now that The
> White Whale is too rusty to bring much $ as a whole car, she'll be more
> valuable as a donor, so effectively I have more than one car's donor parts.
>
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
>
> Dec 9, 2019 10:20:22 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes :
>
> > Wilton went to great lengths to procure a 1987 W124 300D sedan in
> showroom condition.
> > Then some idiot wrecked it for him.
> > Max got the whole car. I don't know how much he still has.
> > Mitch
> >
> > > On December 9, 2019 at 9:57 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Converting gas to diesel is not trivial. All you wiring will need to be
> > > different, unless you can harvest a terminal block, instrument panel
> and
> > > all wiring from a diesel sedan.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Is this madness?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I have most of the parts, but there are some key bits that were sold off, like 
the blue flying saucer vacuum control valve. However, now that The White Whale 
is too rusty to bring much $ as a whole car, she'll be more valuable as a 
donor, so effectively I have more than one car's donor parts.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Dec 9, 2019 10:20:22 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes :

> Wilton went to great lengths to procure a 1987 W124 300D sedan in showroom 
> condition.
> Then some idiot wrecked it for him.
> Max got the whole car. I don't know how much he still has.
> Mitch
> 
> > On December 9, 2019 at 9:57 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Converting gas to diesel is not trivial. All you wiring will need to be
> > different, unless you can harvest a terminal block, instrument panel and
> > all wiring from a diesel sedan.
> > 
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[MBZ] Speaking about painting ...

[Craig via Mercedes]

Take a look at

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DFORLAE/

Paint2It Pro - Anti Gravity Paint Tray Palette.
Premium Multipurpose Kit for Easy Painting. No Spills, No Drips, No Mess!
by Paint2iT
Price:  $7.23 + $8.25 shipping

Seems like a unique idea. I wonder if, like the fuzzy pad with rollers,
it has some drawbacks which are not readily apparent.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Painting Tip

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 22:35:53 -0500 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
 wrote:

> You can buy these flat fuzzy pad things that have little rollers on the
> holder to run it right along the wall, you can cut in the edges right
> quick. I’m pretty good with a brush so I can do it pretty quickly but
> it does take time and is a pain. 

I had one of those flat fuzzy pad things. It did not work very well and
was a pain to use. IIRC, I went backover the previously painted wall
because it did not control the edge of the new paint and bled over to
where it was not supposed to.

I learned how to cut in with a brush and that's how I have done it for a
long while.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Painting Tip

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

You can buy these flat fuzzy pad things that have little rollers on the holder 
to run it right along the wall, you can cut in the edges right quick. I’m 
pretty good with a brush so I can do it pretty quickly but it does take time 
and is a pain. 

--FT
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> On Dec 9, 2019, at 4:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Still have to cut in the edges, which will probably take me as long as it did 
> to roller the ceiling.

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Re: [MBZ] SL600 video

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I’ve seen that. He got kinda ripped off but that’s his thing. And yes, that is 
the main attraction. No drama. And it just keeps building to felonious speeds...

--FT
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> 
> I assume getting shoved into the seatback is a big part of the attraction.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FcRM-p4koo=300
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Re: [MBZ] Is this madness?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Wilton went to great lengths to procure a 1987 W124 300D sedan in showroom 
condition.
Then some idiot wrecked it for him. 
Max got the whole car. I don't know how much he still has.
Mitch
> On December 9, 2019 at 9:57 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Converting gas to diesel is not trivial. All you wiring will need to be
> different, unless you can harvest a terminal block, instrument panel and
> all wiring from a diesel sedan.

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Re: [MBZ] Is this madness?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes, so I've got complete wiring harness and most of the rest of the parts, I 
may decide to scrap The White Whale and get the rear end, muffler system, fuel 
tank, and then send that rusty hulk to the crusher.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Dec 9, 2019 9:58:07 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes :

> Converting gas to diesel is not trivial. All you wiring will need to be
> different, unless you can harvest a terminal block, instrument panel and
> all wiring from a diesel sedan. At that point you might as well put a 606
> in, and if you are doing that, maybe just go one better and drop a salvage
> om648 with a 722.6 in it for modern power, shifting, overdrive, economy and
> emissions. Just use the factory ecu and tcu from the donor.
> 
> Rear end ratios are likely different.
> 
> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 8:31 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Hello, my name is Floyd and I am an enabler.
> > 
> > Hello Floyd!
> > 
> > --FT
> > 
> > On 12/8/19 11:16 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > 
> > > I like the plan - it's good to have long term projects to keep your mind
> > > and hands busy.
> > > 
> > > On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 10:02 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Well I guess I'm in good company here!
> > > > 
> > > > Rick you've nailed it, time is the key factor. Progress may be slow,
> > > > 
> > > 
> > but I
> > 
> > > 
> > > > do make progress, so time will be the judge.
> > > > 
> > > > Max Dillon
> > > > Charleston SC
> > > > 
> > > > Dec 8, 2019 10:38:45 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes  > > > 
> > > :
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > I should have answered "yes".
> > > > > Yes, it is madness.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Rick
> > > > > Who forgets to proof read sometimes.
> > > > > 
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Re: [MBZ] Is this madness?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Converting gas to diesel is not trivial. All you wiring will need to be
different, unless you can harvest a terminal block, instrument panel and
all wiring from a diesel sedan. At that point you might as well put a 606
in, and if you are doing that, maybe just go one better and drop a salvage
om648 with a 722.6 in it for modern power, shifting, overdrive, economy and
emissions. Just use the factory ecu and tcu from the donor.

Rear end ratios are likely different.

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 8:31 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hello, my name is Floyd and I am an enabler.
>
> Hello Floyd!
>
> --FT
>
> On 12/8/19 11:16 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > I like the plan - it's good to have long term projects to keep your mind
> > and hands busy.
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 10:02 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Well I guess I'm in good company here!
> >>
> >> Rick you've nailed it, time is the key factor. Progress may be slow,
> but I
> >> do make progress, so time will be the judge.
> >>
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> Dec 8, 2019 10:38:45 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes  >:
> >>
> >>> I should have answered "yes".
> >>> Yes, it is madness.
> >>>
> >>> Rick
> >>> Who forgets to proof read sometimes.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Painting Tip

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

If you look back in the archives, I think you will see I suggested the 
industrial extra wide roller when you asked about paint sprayers.  They 
cover a room way fast!   I never measured the length, but I saw los 
amigos painting rooms in a flash with  them.   It took 3-4 with brushes 
to keep up with one guy with a roller.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 9, 2019 at 3:26 PM
Coworker suggested I invest in some 18” roller stuff. I did.

Amazing.

I’m doing ceilings right now, and with an 18” roller I was able to do 
the whole family room ceiling in roughly 20 minutes. That’s a room 
that’s about 18’ x 16’ or thereabouts with a 12’ ceiling.


Still have to cut in the edges, which will probably take me as long as 
it did to roller the ceiling.


-D


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Re: [MBZ] Barrister Question

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

 
> > On December 9, 2019 at 5:25 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Based on what I hear from a buddy who is connected with Stetson Law, a 
> > local third tier law school, a large percentage of their graduates come out 
> > of school without jobs and have tough times finding one or end up being 
> > under-employed for their level of education.
 
> Around here, the ones who don't give up when they bomb the LSAT go to Cooley 
> Law School.
> If they can't make it in the real world, they hire on with the Persecuting 
> Attorney's office, make some friends, and get themselves appointed to the 
> bench when one of their buddies retire mid-term to avoid the whole messy 
> election process. No matter how useless they are, nobody will pay enough 
> attention to see the need to vote them out of office once they're in. 
> Mitch.
...
According to University of Florida's official 2019 ABA-required disclosures: 
80.6% of the Class of 2018 obtained full-time, long-term JD-required 
bar-passage required employment nine months after graduation. In addition, 7.5% 
obtained full-time, long-term employment where a J.D. is an advantage; 3.75% 
enrolled in graduate degree programs (predominantly in UF’s LL.M. program, 
which is ranked third in the country by U.S. News & World Report); and 0.9% had 
their employment start date deferred or were unknown or not seeking 
employment.[19] University of Florida's Law School Transparency 
under-employment score is 10.9%, indicating the percentage of the Class of 2018 
unemployed, pursuing an additional degree (a large number of UF Law graduates 
pursue LL.M. degrees), or working in a non-professional, short-term, or 
part-time job nine months after 

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Painting Tip

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Yup. I suggested that too. 

Rick



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Subject: [MBZ] OT - Painting Tip


Coworker suggested I invest in some 18” roller stuff. I did.

Amazing.

I’m doing ceilings right now, and with an 18” roller I was able to do the whole 
family room ceiling in roughly 20 minutes. That’s a room that’s about 18’ x 16’ 
or thereabouts with a 12’ ceiling.

Still have to cut in the edges, which will probably take me as long as it did 
to roller the ceiling.

-D

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Painting Tip

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 16:26:52 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Coworker suggested I invest in some 18” roller stuff. I did.
> 
> Amazing.
> 
> I’m doing ceilings right now, and with an 18” roller I was able to do
> the whole family room ceiling in roughly 20 minutes. That’s a room
> that’s about 18’ x 16’ or thereabouts with a 12’ ceiling.

Is that a Plain Old Ordinary (POO) roller, or some special type?

How smooth is the ceiling?

How long is the nap?


> Still have to cut in the edges, which will probably take me as long as
> it did to roller the ceiling.

Yes, that's where the work comes in.


Craig

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[MBZ] OT - Painting Tip

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Coworker suggested I invest in some 18” roller stuff. I did.

Amazing.

I’m doing ceilings right now, and with an 18” roller I was able to do the whole 
family room ceiling in roughly 20 minutes. That’s a room that’s about 18’ x 16’ 
or thereabouts with a 12’ ceiling.

Still have to cut in the edges, which will probably take me as long as it did 
to roller the ceiling.

-D

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[MBZ] SL600 video

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I assume getting shoved into the seatback is a big part of the attraction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FcRM-p4koo=300

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Re: [MBZ] Semi-OT: Coffee bean skins for car parts

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Cool beans!
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
2019 Sprinter 82 miles, Der Doodlewagen
1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard

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> On Dec 9, 2019, at 11:27 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> BUSINESSFord to make car parts out of McDonald's coffee bean skins
> 
> Published: Monday, December 9, 2019
> [image: Ian Olson and Debbie Mielewski admire headlamp housing. Photo
> credit: Ford Motor Co.]
> 
> Ian Olson, senior director of global sustainability at McDonald's, and
> Debbie Mielewski, a sustainability research official at Ford Motor Co.,
> admire a headlamp housing created using coffee chaff. Ford Motor Co.
> 
> Ford Motor Co. is teaming up with McDonald's Corp. to convert a byproduct
> of roasted coffee beans into car parts.
> 
> Coffee chaff, which is the dried skin of coffee beans, falls off during the
> roasting process. Ford will start using some of the millions of pounds of
> it that McDonald's produces each year to create car parts such as headlight
> housing, the automaker said.
> 
> The process involves heating coffee chaff and mixing it with plastic and
> other additives to make pellets. Ford will mold those pellets into
> lightweight parts to use in car interiors and under the hood.
> 
> Ford currently uses a talc material to make the plastic composite. Talc is
> an unrenewable mineral, making coffee chaff a more sustainable option.
> 
> Swapping talc with coffee chaff will result in 20% more lightweight car
> parts and use up to 25% less energy during the molding process, according
> to Ford.
> 
> "This is an example of jump starting the closed-loop economy, where
> different industries work together and exchange materials that otherwise
> would be side or waste products," said Debbie Mielewski, Ford's technical
> leader of sustainability materials, in a news release.
> 
> Ian Olson, McDonald's director of sustainability, said the fast-food
> company will supply 76,000 pounds of coffee chaff for the first phase of
> the project.
> 
> "It's just the tip of the iceberg. The potential is unlimited," Olson said
> in a commercial
> 
> styled after Jerry Seinfeld's "Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee"
> television show.
> 
> The coffee chaff project is part of Ford's goal to use recycled and
> renewable plastics in its vehicles. The company has found a number of ways
> to use agricultural byproducts in its supply chain since it started using
> soybean-based foam in seats in 2007. It also uses tomato skins for wiring
> brackets and bamboo in plastic composite parts.
> 
> By 2025, McDonald's aims to use only recycled, renewable and other
> responsibly sourced materials in its packaging.
> 
> "Totally different industries, coming together to find a more sustainable
> solution," Olson said in the commercial. "We've got to do more of this
> stuff."
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[MBZ] Semi-OT: Coffee bean skins for car parts

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

BUSINESSFord to make car parts out of McDonald's coffee bean skins

Published: Monday, December 9, 2019
[image: Ian Olson and Debbie Mielewski admire headlamp housing. Photo
credit: Ford Motor Co.]

Ian Olson, senior director of global sustainability at McDonald's, and
Debbie Mielewski, a sustainability research official at Ford Motor Co.,
admire a headlamp housing created using coffee chaff. Ford Motor Co.

Ford Motor Co. is teaming up with McDonald's Corp. to convert a byproduct
of roasted coffee beans into car parts.

Coffee chaff, which is the dried skin of coffee beans, falls off during the
roasting process. Ford will start using some of the millions of pounds of
it that McDonald's produces each year to create car parts such as headlight
housing, the automaker said.

The process involves heating coffee chaff and mixing it with plastic and
other additives to make pellets. Ford will mold those pellets into
lightweight parts to use in car interiors and under the hood.

Ford currently uses a talc material to make the plastic composite. Talc is
an unrenewable mineral, making coffee chaff a more sustainable option.

Swapping talc with coffee chaff will result in 20% more lightweight car
parts and use up to 25% less energy during the molding process, according
to Ford.

"This is an example of jump starting the closed-loop economy, where
different industries work together and exchange materials that otherwise
would be side or waste products," said Debbie Mielewski, Ford's technical
leader of sustainability materials, in a news release.

Ian Olson, McDonald's director of sustainability, said the fast-food
company will supply 76,000 pounds of coffee chaff for the first phase of
the project.

"It's just the tip of the iceberg. The potential is unlimited," Olson said
in a commercial

 styled after Jerry Seinfeld's "Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee"
television show.

The coffee chaff project is part of Ford's goal to use recycled and
renewable plastics in its vehicles. The company has found a number of ways
to use agricultural byproducts in its supply chain since it started using
soybean-based foam in seats in 2007. It also uses tomato skins for wiring
brackets and bamboo in plastic composite parts.

By 2025, McDonald's aims to use only recycled, renewable and other
responsibly sourced materials in its packaging.

"Totally different industries, coming together to find a more sustainable
solution," Olson said in the commercial. "We've got to do more of this
stuff."
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap '94 E320 wagon

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You also need to lower the suspension.

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 9:55 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It’s a pretty nice car. Good $500 find. A few bits and bobs it’ll be a
> runner. I could see a V12 in it.
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
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> >
> >
> > Got it for a Caleb price. Needs a radiator, front turn signal, third
> brake light, some paint, plus ... TBD.
> >
> > Max Dillon
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Roomba

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I bought an 880 in 2014 and have been very happy with it. It has the later 
rubber rollers (vs brushes), which is relevant if you have a cat, dog, 
vietnamese potbellied pig, etc. I have replaced the battery and the rotary 
sweeper, but apart from that no other issues.

And no, it is not intended to replace your normal vacuum, but as others pointed 
out, it IS intended to replace the drudgery of regular maintenance vacuuming. 
You can set it to run on a particular schedule (we do not use that feature). It 
will figure out most obstacles, including "cliff detection" for stairs, and 
usually comes with "lighthouses" that you can set (with a switch) to act either 
as a do-not-pass barrier, or an indicator that the machine has entered another 
room.

In response to competitive pressure, the newer models are square, with better 
edge-to-edge coverage, and are self-emptying.

D.

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019, Dan Penoff wrote:
>
>Wondering if anyone out there has one of these or a clone/knockoff and how 
>they do or don?t like it.
>
>Spousal unit is hinting that she wants one, and a few people I?ve talked to 
>that have them say they work but they?re not that great for a number of 
>reasons.
>
>-D

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Re: [MBZ] Barrister Question

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

The degree only matters for the big firms.  They have to feel they are 
purchasing cream of the crop.  SWMBA’s firm was big fish in the small PDX pond, 
but really wanted Ivy League talent.  Those folks tended to either have been 
locals and would stay put, or left in a few years.  Turned out the most loyal 
shysters were local.   They also tended to be less brusque with clients and 
colleagues.

clay



> On Dec 9, 2019, at 2:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Based on what I hear from a buddy who is connected with Stetson Law, a local 
> third tier law school, a large percentage of their graduates come out of 
> school without jobs and have tough times finding one or end up being 
> under-employed for their level of education.
> 
> That being said, a good friend who is also our real estate attorney has 
> pointed out that in the roughly 40 years he’s been practicing, no one has 
> ever asked him where he got his law degree, it all boils down to how good you 
> are at your job. I’ve never asked, so I have no idea where he went to law 
> school. Don’t care, as he kicks ass when it comes to real estate law. In 
> fact, we had some issues with our recent home purchase that he sorted in 
> short order. I gladly delivered an envelope full of dead presidents to him on 
> Friday for his assistance.
> 
> -D


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Roomba

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

We had/have one.  It was the pet hair edition, because that was supposed to be 
the top of the line at the time.  Pretty simple to operate once it was charged 
up.  Let it loose and over time it would map the space and become much more 
reliable at removing dirt.  When it died, #2 boy adopted it and is keeping it 
imprisoned here in SEA.

The lesser aspects of the unit.  It needs either low furniture, or higher legs 
to drive under, or it gets trapped.  There were a pair of navigational 
restraints (RF transmitters) so you could “block” an area from activity.  Say a 
set of stairs or other room.  Those kind of worked.  The suction is not Hoover 
good, but fine for constant patrolling with the whiskers doing a good job of 
sweeping debris.  Capacity of the tank is minimal, so you do need to empty it 
after each sweep.  Sometimes the robot could not mount itself into the charging 
station.  And, the thing that got it retired, was that the battery was more 
than the thing was worth for the quality of the job done.  I think it worked 
out for almost two years of occasional usage patrolling 900 sqft (the main 
floor of the house).

I see many retired units at the thrift store.  Probably all with dead battery 
that nobody wanted to pay over $100 for.


clay 



> On Dec 9, 2019, at 2:19 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Wondering if anyone out there has one of these or a clone/knockoff and how 
> they do or don’t like it.
> 
> Spousal unit is hinting that she wants one, and a few people I’ve talked to 
> that have them say they work but they’re not that great for a number of 
> reasons.
> 
> -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Roomba

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

We have a eufy and we love that thing. All wood floors with some rugs. Sure
it chokes on legos and other random objects but after it runs it is always
full of dirt and lint that would otherwise still be in the floor somewhere.
200 bucks on Amazon. Runs every day at 9am. No gimmicks, apps, programs or
laser beams. Sure it gets stuck under the couch and rarely finds it's way
home but when you see it sitting somewhere you just put it on the charger
again and it vacuums while u are at work. What it lacks in hp it makes up
for in time spent doing the job - its tolerance for vacuuming is far
greater than any human. To some extent the best vacuum is the one that gets
used and there is no way I am vacuuming every day of the week for an hour
or paying anyone to do that. Total weekly cfm is in favor of the robot.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 8:32 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
> We bought one years ago, clone of some type. Useless. Bin is small, work
> quality is terrible, and usually it would fail to park on the charger so
> the battery world die and the programming would fail, so in order to get it
> going again was a pain. Someone else already said you've got to keep the
> floors clear, that doesn't happen magically, and once the floors are clear,
> I can vacuum a room in minutes and achieve a far higher quality of work.
>
> The basic issue is physics. A small slow moving battery operated machine
> simply doesn't have the power of a corded vacuum, doesn't have the sensors
> (eyes and ears) to determine if the job is done right, and cannot overcome
> simple obstacles (Jimmy put your toys away now or I'm putting them out on
> the street curb for the kids in the neighborhood!).
>
> They are a curiosity, not a real tool.
>
> If you can get a free in-home trial period, probably will only take a few
> days or a week to see if the machine is right or not.
>
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
>
> Dec 9, 2019 5:20:24 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes :
>
> > Wondering if anyone out there has one of these or a clone/knockoff and
> how they do or don’t like it.
> >
> > Spousal unit is hinting that she wants one, and a few people I’ve talked
> to that have them say they work but they’re not that great for a number of
> reasons.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Roomba

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

We bought one years ago, clone of some type. Useless. Bin is small, work 
quality is terrible, and usually it would fail to park on the charger so the 
battery world die and the programming would fail, so in order to get it going 
again was a pain. Someone else already said you've got to keep the floors 
clear, that doesn't happen magically, and once the floors are clear, I can 
vacuum a room in minutes and achieve a far higher quality of work.

The basic issue is physics. A small slow moving battery operated machine simply 
doesn't have the power of a corded vacuum, doesn't have the sensors (eyes and 
ears) to determine if the job is done right, and cannot overcome simple 
obstacles (Jimmy put your toys away now or I'm putting them out on the street 
curb for the kids in the neighborhood!).

They are a curiosity, not a real tool.

If you can get a free in-home trial period, probably will only take a few days 
or a week to see if the machine is right or not.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Dec 9, 2019 5:20:24 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes :

> Wondering if anyone out there has one of these or a clone/knockoff and how 
> they do or don’t like it.
> 
> Spousal unit is hinting that she wants one, and a few people I’ve talked to 
> that have them say they work but they’re not that great for a number of 
> reasons.
> 
> -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Roomba

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Like Peter said about stuff on the floor. Got one as a present recently and 
works great on vinyl floors. Has several faults, however, such as its bin which 
is too small. Came with 3 "beam" devices battery operated that will confine it 
to a specific area. It can be programmed via an app on Iphones, so it appeals 
to some technical minded people. Son and his wife love them but I just grab up 
a broom and then a bucket and mop. "Hands on" people might not like them. It's 
fiddly and travels slow. Son asked me to fix his early model. The battery was 
dying and it cost almost as much as a new Roomba. Current models may be better 
in that respect. Housewifes, who have spent hours pushing a Hoover, might love 
them because they can sit and watch it do their former job. 
Gerry

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 06:13:01 -0600
Peter Frederick via Mercedes  wrote:

> I visited a friend over Thanksgiving that has one.  Works great IF you have 
> wood or tile or terazzo floors and nothing that keeps them from roaming into 
> all the corners, etc.
> 
> Would not work at my house, way too much stuff on the floor and too much 
> carpet.  Probably choke to death on cat hair too, I have three.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Roomba

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

My impression, not having had one is that they are mostly a gimmick.  It 
appears they take as much attention as what it would take to dust or 
vacuum the floor anyway.   I believe that is why so many are donated.   
However there is a new one that is supposed to go back "home" and empty 
itself.  That MAY change the equation (or not).



Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
December 9, 2019 at 7:34 AM
We had one, it seemed to work well enough on wood floors. It would 
occasionally jam itself under the couches and disappear as it just fit 
under. The little bin on them is not very big so it needs to be 
emptied often.


--R


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Roomba

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

We had one, it seemed to work well enough on wood floors. It would occasionally 
jam itself under the couches and disappear as it just fit under. The little bin 
on them is not very big so it needs to be emptied often. 

--R
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> On Dec 9, 2019, at 5:19 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Wondering if anyone out there has one of these or a clone/knockoff and how 
> they do or don’t like it.
> 
> Spousal unit is hinting that she wants one, and a few people I’ve talked to 
> that have them say they work but they’re not that great for a number of 
> reasons.
> 
> -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Barrister Question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Amen

Then after a few years they get themselves appointed to be bankruptcy 
trustees where they can commit whatever fraud they can dream up, because 
the poor suckers in BR court don't have the money to fight, and they 
have already been beaten up to the point of BR.

Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
December 9, 2019 at 6:27 AM


Around here, the ones who don't give up when they bomb the LSAT go to 
Cooley Law School.
If they can't make it in the real world, they hire on with the 
Persecuting Attorney's office, make some friends, and get themselves 
appointed to the bench when one of their buddies retire mid-term to 
avoid the whole messy election process. No matter how useless they 
are, nobody will pay enough attention to see the need to vote them out 
of office once they're in.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Roomba

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The Fab lab in  3 lakes takes them apart and put in lektronics they can 
program that uses the motors and such, then they have the kids build a 
program to make them run a prescribed route.   Good fun.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 9, 2019 at 4:19 AM
Wondering if anyone out there has one of these or a clone/knockoff and 
how they do or don’t like it.


Spousal unit is hinting that she wants one, and a few people I’ve 
talked to that have them say they work but they’re not that great for 
a number of reasons.


-D


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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: Prank

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Language. You don’t want to get pooferated by the list mom

--FT
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> On Dec 9, 2019, at 4:23 AM, dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Tempus fugit, too!
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2019, at 9:12 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Semper vigilans
>> 
>>> Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>>> December 8, 2019 at 6:00 PM
>>> So, in a way, my "prank" to my son was a gentle reminder:
>>> 
>>> NEVER forget. 12/7 and 9/11
>>> 
>>> Greg
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curley 
>>> McLain via Mercedes
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 2:24 PM
>>> To: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
>>> Cc: Curley McLain
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: Prank
>>> 
>>> Good one. Ask him if he has any contact with Bob Ritchie, USCG
>>> (Ret.) If so, I'd like to get in contact with Bob. How's things on
>>> Sand Island?
>>> 
>>> I thought about it, but didn't get it done yesterday; to post a
>>> remembrance of Dec 7, 1941.
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Re: [MBZ] Barrister Question

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 9, 2019 at 5:25 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Based on what I hear from a buddy who is connected with Stetson Law, a local 
> third tier law school, a large percentage of their graduates come out of 
> school without jobs and have tough times finding one or end up being 
> under-employed for their level of education.

Around here, the ones who don't give up when they bomb the LSAT go to Cooley 
Law School.
If they can't make it in the real world, they hire on with the Persecuting 
Attorney's office, make some friends, and get themselves appointed to the bench 
when one of their buddies retire mid-term to avoid the whole messy election 
process. No matter how useless they are, nobody will pay enough attention to 
see the need to vote them out of office once they're in. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Roomba

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I visited a friend over Thanksgiving that has one.  Works great IF you have 
wood or tile or terazzo floors and nothing that keeps them from roaming into 
all the corners, etc.

Would not work at my house, way too much stuff on the floor and too much 
carpet.  Probably choke to death on cat hair too, I have three.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Barrister Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Based on what I hear from a buddy who is connected with Stetson Law, a local 
third tier law school, a large percentage of their graduates come out of school 
without jobs and have tough times finding one or end up being under-employed 
for their level of education.

That being said, a good friend who is also our real estate attorney has pointed 
out that in the roughly 40 years he’s been practicing, no one has ever asked 
him where he got his law degree, it all boils down to how good you are at your 
job. I’ve never asked, so I have no idea where he went to law school. Don’t 
care, as he kicks ass when it comes to real estate law. In fact, we had some 
issues with our recent home purchase that he sorted in short order. I gladly 
delivered an envelope full of dead presidents to him on Friday for his 
assistance.

-D
 
> On Dec 8, 2019, at 1:58 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> SWMBA passed the bar in a number of jurisdictions.  I used to read the 
> Discipline section of their publications to see who had stepped into it and 
> how badly.  There were always a number who just lost their way.   And then 
> there are the egregious ones.
> 
> There are a number of lawyers on the ground.  Most are working low wage jobs, 
> in keeping with their moral compass, qualifications, or will soon be ambling 
> off to assume another line of work.  Law schools graduate a high number of 
> women, but the gals fail to lean in and end up dropping onto the mommy track 
> or starting a cupcake business, more in keeping with their need for work/life 
> balance.  Or to get away from the swinging D*ck hard charging guys
> 
> Just my perspective from the back seat
> 
> clay
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2019, at 12:03 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> "The number of active attorneys in the United States has increased by 15.2 
>> percent over the last decade, according to the ABA's National Lawyer 
>> Population Survey. The total number of lawyers in the United States as of 
>> Dec. 31 was 1,338,678. Ten years before that, the total number was 
>> 1,162,124."
>> 
>> Out of a population that large, there are bound to be a number of attorneys 
>> with mental, emotional, or behavioural problems. IMO that is most likely 
>> Hooks problem unless he is simply passing on his clients opinion in the 
>> clients own words.
>> Gerry
>> 
 On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 07:41:04 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
  wrote:
 
> NO offense intended to our resident barrister and lawyer.
> 
> not an attorney, but my opinion FWIW:
> IN light of other goings on in our "society" I'd say one frustrated
> liar talking to another liar.Hook has a paucity of adjectives in
> his vocabularysnip
>> 
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[MBZ] OT - Roomba

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Wondering if anyone out there has one of these or a clone/knockoff and how they 
do or don’t like it.

Spousal unit is hinting that she wants one, and a few people I’ve talked to 
that have them say they work but they’re not that great for a number of reasons.

-D



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Re: [MBZ] Getting on a cruise

[dan--- via Mercedes]

Visiting any of the Lesser Antilles or other islands in the Caribbean is always 
a good time as long as you’re not one of the “ugly American” touristas. They’re 
each culturally diverse as well as different in climate and topography, so it’s 
like visiting a totally different country each time in most cases.

When I was a youngster my folks participated in “CAT” tours with their flying 
buddies. These were groups of aircraft owners who would fly together as a group 
to various locations. I’ve Island hopped from Hispañola all the way down to the 
ABCs (Aruba, Bonaire and Curaçao) in a Beechcraft V35.

We typically spent a day or two on each island, sometimes more, before moving 
on to the next. Loads of fun and an awesome experience.

-D

> On Dec 8, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> We've gone on several Caribbean cruises, they're pretty fun, theres lots to 
> do on the floating hotel ships, shows, pools, climbing walls. Think of it as 
> a floating all inclusive (except alcohol) resort. I like getting to see 
> several places during the trip. We've had fun in Dominica, Honduras, Mexico, 
> Belize (cave tubing, super fun), St. Thomas, Puerto Rico, St. Kitts, 
> Martinique, and Barbados. I'm sure I've gotten a couple more too.
> 
> Angie says we're due for another one, I think our last was 2016.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Saturday, December 7, 2019, 4:54:53 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> In the interest of full disclosure I went on a cruise on my honeymoon, but it 
> was on a now defunct Greek line call “Costa” which was very nice. Understand 
> that this was in 1980 when the average cruise passenger was an old lady of 
> maybe 65-70 years of age and you packed evening wear. The ship was relatively 
> small, like under 500 passengers, but it was a nice way to travel. We learned 
> a valuable lesson on that cruise - don’t bother popping for a suite. We got 
> one of four suites on the ship, and I use the term “suite” lightly. However, 
> because we had a suite we were on one of the higher decks which was nice, and 
> we had our own cabin boy.
> 
> Due to the demographics of the times we were two of the few people on the 
> ship younger that 60, so we were a bit of a novelty. Got to have dinner at 
> the captain’s table one night because of it, though. Nice guy, crappy way to 
> make a living, I thought, but all the good (Italian) food you could eat, so 
> maybe that had some value.
> 
> Still wasn’t that impressed. I drank more than than I do now, but didn’t care 
> to gamble, so there wasn’t much to do onboard outside of honeymoon 
> activities….
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Dec 7, 2019, at 4:30 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
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> > What line?
> > 
> > I've never been on a Caribbean cruise, only Alaska, Bermuda, and Across the 
> > pond twice. The Atlantic crossings on QE2 were the ideal cruising lifestyle 
> > IMO. And the inside passage was amazing for the views and comfort. The 
> > Atlantic can be rough even for an actual ocean liner like QE2 as opposed to 
> > a floating hotel.
> > 
> > Greg
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb 
> > Striplin via Mercedes
> > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2019 9:05 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List; davesl...@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: Kaleb Striplin
> > Subject: [MBZ] Getting on a cruise
> > 
> > We are in Galveston getting ready to get on a cruise and I discovered I 
> > forgot the passports. I was not too worried as you don’t have to have a 
> > passport for a cruise. What I did forget is OK does not have the new real 
> > ID thing yet so in addition to DL you have to have birth certificate. Crap. 
> > Luckily the kid is home and is emailing us copies. I still do not like the 
> > idea of being out of the country without it in case we have to make an 
> > emergency flight home. It also takes a lot longer to get back thru customs 
> > without a passport on the way back. 
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: Prank

[dan--- via Mercedes]

Tempus fugit, too!

-D

> On Dec 8, 2019, at 9:12 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Semper vigilans
> 
>> Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>> December 8, 2019 at 6:00 PM
>> So, in a way, my "prank" to my son was a gentle reminder:
>> 
>> NEVER forget. 12/7 and 9/11
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curley 
>> McLain via Mercedes
>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 2:24 PM
>> To: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
>> Cc: Curley McLain
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: Prank
>> 
>> Good one. Ask him if he has any contact with Bob Ritchie, USCG
>> (Ret.) If so, I'd like to get in contact with Bob. How's things on
>> Sand Island?
>> 
>> I thought about it, but didn't get it done yesterday; to post a
>> remembrance of Dec 7, 1941.
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