Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked a long time ago about the right way to make pizza ...

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 14:03:25 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Actually, the secret to good pizza is in the dough, sauce, and toppings.

I recall much talk when it was discussed last about an exceedingly hot
oven and stone and very attentive, well-trained operators, with the
difference between an ideal pizza and a burnt mess being a matter of
only seconds.


> Good dough (to use anyway) is made from whole grain spelt flour, the
> sauce is my wife's won recipe, though she uses several, and the
> toppings are chopped up finely and mixed together, add thinly sliced
> garlic on top of that, then sprinkle Italian seasoning over the whole
> thing. Oh yes, the mozzarella goes on top of the dough, and the grated
> Parmesan is the last thing added.

Interesting. Does your family, like Max's, have an Italian cohort?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked a long time ago about the right way to make pizza ...

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 23:33:20 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> It changed today! I'll try to get her to write it down 

So it is one of those extemporaneous, from-memory recipes!


> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 7:25 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > >the sauce is my wife's won recipe
> >
> > And the recipe is...?
> >
> > Rick

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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked a long time ago about the right way to make pizza ...

[OK Don via Mercedes]

It changed today! I'll try to get her to write it down 

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 7:25 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> >the sauce is my wife's won recipe
>
> And the recipe is...?
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 129 5 speed

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>Wants to trade me for my 124 cab. 

Thought you sold that. 

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 23:27:49 -0500 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> IMO, POE is the only way to go.

Yes, it is.


> You can get cheap serviceable cameras (like Reolink) for less than $50
> but the imagery is much sharper from better cameras, like Dahua
> starlight series.  Cheaper cameras tend to be blurry for moving objects
> (the only ones you actually care about), especially at night and ID is
> nearly impossible. Low light cameras (like Dahua starlights) run at
> higher shutter speed for less blur.  Several other brands (like Lorex
> and Amcrest) are stripped-down Dahuas.  Hikvision makes good cameras
> too.  Look for international (not china) version cameras that will have
> updatable firmware.  The US government has banned purchase of both of
> these brands (possible spyware in firmware) but that shouldn't matter to
> average users.

I would not put Dahua or HiK cameras on the Internet, but have them on
their own network. Check for updatable firmware. Some of the stuff sold
is not updatable.


> If possible get everything in the same brand.

I have Q-See (rebadged Dahua) cameras and NVR (network video recorder)
which I bought in 2015.


> All ONVIF stuff is supposed to be interoperable but that's theoretical,
> practically there will be limitations with mixed brands.  Go with
> "eyeball" style cameras if possible.  Bullet cameras are easy to
> repoint and they attract spider webs.  Some dome cameras then to fog
> and craze with time. Cat5 hard wire will always be more reliable than
> Wi-Fi and will allow reliable reconfiguration and firmware update over
> the LAN. Most of the better cameras support a mini SD card that can
> record motion events but you probably want a central recording
> capability like a NVR (hopefully same brand as cameras) of software
> like Blue Iris (which is great even with different camera brands).  You
> can use a NAS as a NVR but licenses can be costly and cameras eat a lot
> of bandwidth.  Eight channel NVRs are reasonable, especially if you
> supply the hard drive. The better cameras can be ordered with different
> focal lengths so do some analysis to get the right lens.  For a few
> bucks more you can get a varifocal (zoom) lens to get a custom field of
> view. Don't get too hung up on megapixels.  My 2 MP Dahua starlights
> provide a sharper image than 5 MP Reolinks. Pro-line cameras (like
> Dahua IPC-HDW5442TM-AS, maybe $170) have advanced processing like face
> capture, person counting, etc.

Good information, Scott.

Note also you most likely will not be satisfied with just any old hard
disk long term -- there is a reason WD has a line of disks specifically
for surveillance.


> Finally, https://ipcamtalk.com/ is an excellent information source if
> you can stand the biases of the list mom (fenderman).  Just be aware
> that anyone can post so there is no guarantee posted information is
> accurate.

If you want a professional level site, go to IPVM, https://ipvm.com. If
you want an invite, let me know.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

IMO, POE is the only way to go.  It is much neater than a bunch of individual 
POE injectors.  Buy a 1000 ft roll of Cat5e cable ($50), a bunch of RJ-45 
terminals ($10), and a crimp tool ($15) and build your own cables unless your 
setup lends itself to pre-made cables.  Beware fan noise if the switch will be 
near people.  I have a 16 channel POE switch that is terrible loud.  I ended up 
with a Netgear Prosafe switch (12 POE and 12 passive) that is reasonably quiet.
You can get cheap serviceable cameras (like Reolink) for less than $50 but the 
imagery is much sharper from better cameras, like Dahua starlight series.  
Cheaper cameras tend to be blurry for moving objects (the only ones you 
actually care about), especially at night and ID is nearly impossible.  Low 
light cameras (like Dahua starlights) run at higher shutter speed for less  
blur.  Several other brands (like Lorex and Amcrest) are stripped-down Dahuas.  
Hikvision makes good cameras too.  Look for international (not china) version 
cameras that will have updatable firmware.  The US government has banned 
purchase of both of these brands (possible spyware in firmware) but that 
shouldn't matter to average users.
If possible get everything in the same brand.  All ONVIF stuff is supposed to 
be interoperable but that's theoretical, practically there will be limitations 
with mixed brands.  Go with "eyeball" style cameras if possible.  Bullet 
cameras are easy to repoint and they attract spider webs.  Some dome cameras 
then to fog and craze with time.  
Cat5 hard wire will always be more reliable than Wi-Fi and will allow reliable 
reconfiguration and firmware update over the LAN.  
Most of the better cameras support a mini SD card that can record motion events 
but you probably want a central recording capability like a NVR (hopefully same 
brand as cameras) of software like Blue Iris (which is great even with 
different camera brands).  You can use a NAS as a NVR but licenses can be 
costly and cameras eat a lot of bandwidth.  Eight channel NVRs are reasonable, 
especially if you supply the hard drive.  
The better cameras can be ordered with different focal lengths so do some 
analysis to get the right lens.  For a few bucks more you can get a varifocal 
(zoom) lens to get a custom field of view.  
Don't get too hung up on megapixels.  My 2 MP Dahua starlights provide a 
sharper image than 5 MP Reolinks.  
Pro-line cameras (like Dahua IPC-HDW5442TM-AS, maybe $170) have advanced 
processing like face capture, person counting, etc.
Finally, https://ipcamtalk.com/ is an excellent information source if you can 
stand the biases of the list mom (fenderman).  Just be aware that anyone can 
post so there is no guarantee posted information is accurate.   The 
https://ipcamtalk.com/wiki/ip-cam-talk-cliff-notes/ is a great place to start.
Merry Christmas


> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 5:43 PM
> To: Mercedes List 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups
> 
> Looking at what I might do for security cameras at the new ranch. At the
> former house, I had some really basic DLink IP cameras with power run to
> each, which was sort of a PITA as I had to run extension cords for the power
> bricks.
> 
> I’m looking at POE (power over Ethernet) cameras now as it would really
> simplify installation and deployment at the new place. The thing I’m wondering
> about is whether to go with power injectors and my existing 24 port HP
> Procurve switch or just buy an inexpensive POE switch.
> 
> I can get a cheap four port POE switch for maybe $40. Based on what I see so
> far, power supplies and power injectors would cost far more than $40.
> 
> Just wondering if anyone else has been down this road and what their
> experience was…
> 
> And a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all!
> 
> -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curley wrote:

> I thought I was going that way, but ended up with 8 cameras and
> a dvr for $220.  THey arenot IP.

Then you can use POE - right?

Put in a central power supply and pull twisted pair cable for
power along with whatever it needs for video.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Dan wrote:

> Looking at what I might do for security cameras at the new
> ranch. At the former house, I had some really basic DLink IP
> cameras with power run to each,

Ugh!  At least use one power supply for all and run power cables
to each.

> I’m looking at POE (power over Ethernet) cameras 

Good plan.

I recommend ubiquiti cameras.  And pretty much any of their
network gear.

> Just wondering if anyone else has been down this road and what
> their experience was…

POE is quite convenient, works well, and is pretty straight
forward.  As long as the switch can supply enough power for all
the cameras, all is good.  Be sure to note the total power budget,
not just the available power per port.

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Re: [MBZ] 129 5 speed

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That would be a bad trade.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Dec 25, 2019 6:27:21 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> Some dude has a 90 300SL with 5 speed which seems to have dings and dents, 
> comes with a 2nd automatic car. Wants to trade me for my 124 cab. Not really 
> interested but are those manny 129’s rare?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 129 5 speed

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

A 300SL would be kinda not too sporty but a stick would probably help it a lot

--FT
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> On Dec 25, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Some dude has a 90 300SL with 5 speed which seems to have dings and dents, 
> comes with a 2nd automatic car. Wants to trade me for my 124 cab. Not really 
> interested but are those manny 129’s rare?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

They would have to tear the camera off of the mounting surface to get at the 
wires, as they’re run through the base and not externally.

Granted, they could do the same thing to any other camera, wired or wireless, 
and take it out of operation in a heartbeat. I try to mount my cameras well 
above the area they’re trained on as well as putting them in discreet locations 
when possible.

-D


> On Dec 25, 2019, at 9:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> With a setup like this, what would stop somebody from simply unplugging them 
> while they were snooping around?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 25, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Looking at what I might do for security cameras at the new ranch. At the 
>> former house, I had some really basic DLink IP cameras with power run to 
>> each, which was sort of a PITA as I had to run extension cords for the power 
>> bricks.
>> 
>> I’m looking at POE (power over Ethernet) cameras now as it would really 
>> simplify installation and deployment at the new place. The thing I’m 
>> wondering about is whether to go with power injectors and my existing 24 
>> port HP Procurve switch or just buy an inexpensive POE switch.
>> 
>> I can get a cheap four port POE switch for maybe $40. Based on what I see so 
>> far, power supplies and power injectors would cost far more than $40.
>> 
>> Just wondering if anyone else has been down this road and what their 
>> experience was…
>> 
>> And a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

With a setup like this, what would stop somebody from simply unplugging them 
while they were snooping around?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 25, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Looking at what I might do for security cameras at the new ranch. At the 
> former house, I had some really basic DLink IP cameras with power run to 
> each, which was sort of a PITA as I had to run extension cords for the power 
> bricks.
> 
> I’m looking at POE (power over Ethernet) cameras now as it would really 
> simplify installation and deployment at the new place. The thing I’m 
> wondering about is whether to go with power injectors and my existing 24 port 
> HP Procurve switch or just buy an inexpensive POE switch.
> 
> I can get a cheap four port POE switch for maybe $40. Based on what I see so 
> far, power supplies and power injectors would cost far more than $40.
> 
> Just wondering if anyone else has been down this road and what their 
> experience was…
> 
> And a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all!
> 
> -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Interesting.

After reading your email I went to the Island of Large Wimmen and did some 
searching. There is a company called “Zosi” that is all over this stuff to the 
point where they sell so many different models and setups it’s mind numbing to 
look at them after a while.

They offer an 8 channel DVR with four outside “bullet” cameras and no hard 
drive for like $80. I’ve got a bunch of 3.5” hard drives laying around , so I 
may risk the $80 and see how this works. No matter what I have to run cables, 
so whether they’re Ethernet or coax doesn’t really matter.

Hmm.

-D


> On Dec 25, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I thought I was going that way, but ended up with 8 cameras and a dvr for 
> $220.  THey arenot IP.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> December 25, 2019 at 4:43 PM
>> Looking at what I might do for security cameras at the new ranch. At the 
>> former house, I had some really basic DLink IP cameras with power run to 
>> each, which was sort of a PITA as I had to run extension cords for the power 
>> bricks.
>> 
>> I’m looking at POE (power over Ethernet) cameras now as it would really 
>> simplify installation and deployment at the new place. The thing I’m 
>> wondering about is whether to go with power injectors and my existing 24 
>> port HP Procurve switch or just buy an inexpensive POE switch.
>> 
>> I can get a cheap four port POE switch for maybe $40. Based on what I see so 
>> far, power supplies and power injectors would cost far more than $40.
>> 
>> Just wondering if anyone else has been down this road and what their 
>> experience was…
>> 
>> And a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, that’s another possibility. I only need four cameras, though, and a lot 
of the systems are for larger numbers like yours.

Thanks!

-D


> On Dec 25, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I thought I was going that way, but ended up with 8 cameras and a dvr for 
> $220.  THey arenot IP.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> December 25, 2019 at 4:43 PM
>> Looking at what I might do for security cameras at the new ranch. At the 
>> former house, I had some really basic DLink IP cameras with power run to 
>> each, which was sort of a PITA as I had to run extension cords for the power 
>> bricks.
>> 
>> I’m looking at POE (power over Ethernet) cameras now as it would really 
>> simplify installation and deployment at the new place. The thing I’m 
>> wondering about is whether to go with power injectors and my existing 24 
>> port HP Procurve switch or just buy an inexpensive POE switch.
>> 
>> I can get a cheap four port POE switch for maybe $40. Based on what I see so 
>> far, power supplies and power injectors would cost far more than $40.
>> 
>> Just wondering if anyone else has been down this road and what their 
>> experience was…
>> 
>> And a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I thought I was going that way, but ended up with 8 cameras and a dvr 
for $220.  THey arenot IP.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 25, 2019 at 4:43 PM
Looking at what I might do for security cameras at the new ranch. At 
the former house, I had some really basic DLink IP cameras with power 
run to each, which was sort of a PITA as I had to run extension cords 
for the power bricks.


I’m looking at POE (power over Ethernet) cameras now as it would 
really simplify installation and deployment at the new place. The 
thing I’m wondering about is whether to go with power injectors and my 
existing 24 port HP Procurve switch or just buy an inexpensive POE switch.


I can get a cheap four port POE switch for maybe $40. Based on what I 
see so far, power supplies and power injectors would cost far more 
than $40.


Just wondering if anyone else has been down this road and what their 
experience was…


And a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all!

-D



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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked a long time ago about the right way to make pizza ...

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>the sauce is my wife's won recipe

And the recipe is...?

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] OT Socks was Gross Incompetence. (RANT)

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I had never heard of Red Head until this year when I bought a camo fleece hat 
and gloves at Cabelas. Both are warm and sort of shed water, for awhile 
anyway.Appears to have been around for a long time. Currently owned by Bass Pro.
-Curt

On Wednesday, December 25, 2019, 3:31:52 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 22:10:44 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > On December 19, 2019 at 9:48 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> 
> > OTOH "Darn Tough" socks are the best I've ever worn and I'm not
> > buying anything else. They're the most expensive socks I've ever had
> > and worth every penny. Made in USA too.
> 
> Somebody mentioned these in a sock discussion on another forum, and I
> bought a six pack yesterday. They appear to be a suitable substitute at
> $18/6pr instead of $20/pr. Thicker than my Darn Tough socks, I'll let
> you know in a year if they are as durable. More wool and much less
> spandex than my DTs.

I received two pairs of these for Christmas.

I have not tried them on yet, so I cannot say how they fit.


Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 129 5 speed

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

This is the car in question 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vuiUk7GbSI4

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> On Dec 25, 2019, at 6:11 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> " fewer than 200 examples powered by a 3.0-liter inline-six paired with a
> five-speed manual transmission." Sold for $24k yesterday -  must be rare,
> and at least somewhat desirable.
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 6:07 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mercedes-benz-300sl-8/
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 25, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some dude has a 90 300SL with 5 speed which seems to have dings and
>> dents, comes with a 2nd automatic car. Wants to trade me for my 124 cab.
>> Not really interested but are those manny 129’s rare?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 129 5 speed

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Not sure how rare but I believe that transmission setup will bolt right
into a w123

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019, 4:11 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
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> " fewer than 200 examples powered by a 3.0-liter inline-six paired with a
> five-speed manual transmission." Sold for $24k yesterday -  must be rare,
> and at least somewhat desirable.
>
> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 6:07 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mercedes-benz-300sl-8/
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> > > On Dec 25, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Some dude has a 90 300SL with 5 speed which seems to have dings and
> > dents, comes with a 2nd automatic car. Wants to trade me for my 124 cab.
> > Not really interested but are those manny 129’s rare?
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] 129 5 speed

[OK Don via Mercedes]

" fewer than 200 examples powered by a 3.0-liter inline-six paired with a
five-speed manual transmission." Sold for $24k yesterday -  must be rare,
and at least somewhat desirable.

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 6:07 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mercedes-benz-300sl-8/
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Dec 25, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Some dude has a 90 300SL with 5 speed which seems to have dings and
> dents, comes with a 2nd automatic car. Wants to trade me for my 124 cab.
> Not really interested but are those manny 129’s rare?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 129 5 speed

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-mercedes-benz-300sl-8/

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 25, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> Some dude has a 90 300SL with 5 speed which seems to have dings and dents, 
> comes with a 2nd automatic car. Wants to trade me for my 124 cab. Not really 
> interested but are those manny 129’s rare?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 129 5 speed

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I think so. There was a nice red one on BAT recently.

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> On Dec 25, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Some dude has a 90 300SL with 5 speed which seems to have dings and dents, 
> comes with a 2nd automatic car. Wants to trade me for my 124 cab. Not really 
> interested but are those manny 129’s rare?
> 
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[MBZ] 129 5 speed

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Some dude has a 90 300SL with 5 speed which seems to have dings and dents, 
comes with a 2nd automatic car. Wants to trade me for my 124 cab. Not really 
interested but are those manny 129’s rare?

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Re: [MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes but we just bought all Ubiquiti stuff including the cloud key, cameras
and  16 port poe switch. Not the most cost effective but it all works
perfectly and is accessible with a great phone app.

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019, 2:44 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Looking at what I might do for security cameras at the new ranch. At the
> former house, I had some really basic DLink IP cameras with power run to
> each, which was sort of a PITA as I had to run extension cords for the
> power bricks.
>
> I’m looking at POE (power over Ethernet) cameras now as it would really
> simplify installation and deployment at the new place. The thing I’m
> wondering about is whether to go with power injectors and my existing 24
> port HP Procurve switch or just buy an inexpensive POE switch.
>
> I can get a cheap four port POE switch for maybe $40. Based on what I see
> so far, power supplies and power injectors would cost far more than $40.
>
> Just wondering if anyone else has been down this road and what their
> experience was…
>
> And a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all!
>
> -D
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[MBZ] OT - POE Setups

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Looking at what I might do for security cameras at the new ranch. At the former 
house, I had some really basic DLink IP cameras with power run to each, which 
was sort of a PITA as I had to run extension cords for the power bricks.

I’m looking at POE (power over Ethernet) cameras now as it would really 
simplify installation and deployment at the new place. The thing I’m wondering 
about is whether to go with power injectors and my existing 24 port HP Procurve 
switch or just buy an inexpensive POE switch.

I can get a cheap four port POE switch for maybe $40. Based on what I see so 
far, power supplies and power injectors would cost far more than $40.

Just wondering if anyone else has been down this road and what their experience 
was…

And a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all!

-D


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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I should buy this

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On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 12:18:46 -0500 Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
 wrote:

> No it had Nagasaki Hyde with a rich glow.

Hiroshima Hyde would be similar, as the attached picture shows ...


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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I should buy this

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What? Foreign leather in an American car Travesty! Should have been
from a Texas Black Angus!

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 11:31 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> It did. Very nice burgundy leather.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:40 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yea but did it have the rich Corinthian leather?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 25, 2019, at 5:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dad had a 76, or whatever the first year model was - they had round
> headlights. Silver with a red landau top and burgundy interior. Absolutely
> beautiful car. Might have even had wire wheel covers, I don’t recall.
> >>
> >> After he left General Motors he was a Chrysler guy for a number of
> years until he bought a Honda.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 9:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked a long time ago about the right way to make pizza ...

[OK Don via Mercedes]

We have learned that you can get good results in the oven by heating the
stone at 500° for half an hour, then put the pizza in, turn on the broiler,
and bake/broil it for 7 minutes, or as needed.
Actually, the secret to good pizza is in the dough, sauce, and toppings.
Good dough (to use anyway) is made from whole grain spelt flour, the sauce
is my wife's won recipe, though she uses several, and the toppings are
chopped up finely and mixed together, add thinly sliced garlic on top of
that, then sprinkle Italian seasoning over the whole thing. Oh yes, the
mozzarella goes on top of the dough, and the grated Parmesan is the last
thing added.

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 1:31 AM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> and why all the chain stuff tastes like cardboard.
>
> Well, here is a way to do it right, yourself:
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Pizzacraft-Pizzeria-Pronto-Outdoor-Pizza/dp/B00FKWLWWI/
> Pizzacraft PC6000 Pizzeria Pronto Portable Outdoor Pizza Oven
>
>
> Free Amazon tech support included
>
>  * Pre-heats to 700F in 10 minutes, pizza cooks in only 5 minutes
>  * Heat-diffusing hollow-core pizza stone cooks crust evenly
>  * Lid reflects heat back on to pizza, vent at top prevents soggy results
>  * Light weight, portable, safe on virtually any solid surface
>  * Built in thermometer, matchless starter, and gas hose
>  * Uses standard 20 lb. propane tank, adaptor (included)
>  allows use of 1 lb tank
>
> This item:
> Pizzacraft PC6000 Pizzeria Pronto Portable Outdoor Pizza Oven $249.15
> Pizzacraft Pizza Oven Accessories/Folding Peel & Stone Brush -
> PC0217 $23.05
> Pizzacraft Pizza Oven Leg Kit - PC6011 $41.99
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Re: [MBZ] Hearing test

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I had to get and install extra power strips. These systems aren't mission 
critical so the second connection isn't required other than the noise was 
driving me up the wall...

Curt

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  On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 11:29 PM, Max Dillon via 
Mercedes wrote:   
Power diversity is a good thing, what was the other guy's objection to having 
both power supplies online? I hope you have the second power supply on a 
different circuit.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Dec 24, 2019 7:03:19 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes :

> I shared a machine room at work for a couple years, the other guy couldn't 
> hear the screech some of the servers make when only one power supply was 
> plugged in but it drove me up the wall.A couple years ago he moved to a 
> different position so its my show now and the first thing I did was work out 
> how to plug in the second power supply on each server...
> -Curt
> 
> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 3:18:53 PM EST, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 22 kHz. No one can hear 222kHz!
> 
> Hearing like that has made for an interesting life. I used to shut off the 
> mower and go in the house to answer the phone in graduate school, drove my 
> housemate nuts (she was partially deaf and the phone had an extra loud 
> ringer, but it was still a mechanical bell). Other than the fact it was 
> actually ringing she would have accused me of making things up.
> 
> Ultrasonic alarms are not ultrasonic for me, they used to run around 20kHz. 
> Loud bastards.
> 
> I hear all sorts of things at work no one else does, too -- I can tell when 
> one of my HPLC pumps isn't working right by the "screeech" it makes, when the 
> pressure is low or oscillating, the sound changes on the fill (fast) stroke. 
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> HPLC, but they aren't running.
> 
> Over driven transistor amps have been known to run me out of the room with my 
> hands over my ears -- clipping causes very loud transient harmonics in that 
> situation, and while it wasn't bothering anyone else, it was so freaking loud 
> it was painful to me. The guys on the dorm floor thought I hated rock and 
> roll, especially Yes. Not my favorite music for sure, but it's unbearable 
> with the ear-spitting high frequency noise.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I should buy this

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

My buddy in school drove a prelude with about 250k on it. 5 speed manual.
Thing drove great. Never needed anything. He drove it through residency and
fellowship, at which point his wife convinced him to buy a used, new style
volvo wagon. That was a big step down in just about every department except
number of doors.

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019, 6:23 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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> Might have been, I was thinking of it as a two door, not seating
> positions. His was a two door with a stick as I recall. First year model, a
> 1978 I believe.
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Dec 25, 2019, at 9:17 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> >
> >
> >> On December 25, 2019 at 7:24 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think that was the impetus for him to buy the Honda Prelude. He loved
> the front wheel drive aspect and I don’t think there were many domestic
> front wheel drive offerings at that time that were two seaters and
> relatively upscale cars. Not sure - not a subject we covered before he
> passed.
> >
> > Prelude was always a 2+2, wasn't it?
> > Started out as an Accord coupe and moved upward from there.
> > By 1990ish you could get one with a form of four wheel steering.
> >
> > CRX and Del Sol were 2 seaters, and more recently S2000.
> >
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I should buy this

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Nice

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> On Dec 25, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It did. Very nice burgundy leather.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:40 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yea but did it have the rich Corinthian leather?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Dec 25, 2019, at 5:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dad had a 76, or whatever the first year model was - they had round 
>>> headlights. Silver with a red landau top and burgundy interior. Absolutely 
>>> beautiful car. Might have even had wire wheel covers, I don’t recall.
>>> 
>>> After he left General Motors he was a Chrysler guy for a number of years 
>>> until he bought a Honda.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 24, 2019, at 9:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 https://barnfinds.com/no-corinthian-leather-1979-cordoba-survivor/
 
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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I should buy this

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It did. Very nice burgundy leather.

-D


> On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:40 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yea but did it have the rich Corinthian leather?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 25, 2019, at 5:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dad had a 76, or whatever the first year model was - they had round 
>> headlights. Silver with a red landau top and burgundy interior. Absolutely 
>> beautiful car. Might have even had wire wheel covers, I don’t recall.
>> 
>> After he left General Motors he was a Chrysler guy for a number of years 
>> until he bought a Honda.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I should buy this

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No it had Nagasaki Hyde with a rich glow.

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> On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:40 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Yea but did it have the rich Corinthian leather?
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>> wrote:
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>> Dad had a 76, or whatever the first year model was - they had round 
>> headlights. Silver with a red landau top and burgundy interior. Absolutely 
>> beautiful car. Might have even had wire wheel covers, I don’t recall.
>> 
>> After he left General Motors he was a Chrysler guy for a number of years 
>> until he bought a Honda.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I should buy this

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Yeah trash cars.

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> On Dec 25, 2019, at 10:51 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> I hate FWD. 
> 
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>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, he was a hard core U.S. iron guy after having worked for GM for many 
>> years. That being said, he did order a 450SL in the early 70s, just before 
>> the gas crisis occurred. I’ve told that story before, but to recap, he 
>> ordered the car, it came in a few months later when the you know what had 
>> really hit the fan with Arab embargo on oil, and he had to back out of the 
>> deal as many of his customers would have taken offense at him driving a 
>> foreign car. Closest I ever saw the man to crying. Made me realize that this 
>> must have been one special car and probably unknowingly affected my interest 
>> in Mercedes.
>> 
>> The last American iron he owned was a Plymouth Horizon TC3. Had an 
>> aftermarket pop-up style sunroof installed in it that “didn’t leak!” Dark 
>> blue with a matching interior. He loved that car, as it was his first front 
>> wheel drive car and the handling was something he had never experienced. He 
>> used to like to bury the front end in a snowdrift and then show everyone how 
>> easily it could extract itself.
>> 
>> I think that was the impetus for him to buy the Honda Prelude. He loved the 
>> front wheel drive aspect and I don’t think there were many domestic front 
>> wheel drive offerings at that time that were two seaters and relatively 
>> upscale cars. Not sure - not a subject we covered before he passed.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 25, 2019, at 7:03 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bought a Honda. And that’s when it all ended for this country.
>>> 
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> On Dec 25, 2019, at 6:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Dad had a 76, or whatever the first year model was - they had round 
 headlights. Silver with a red landau top and burgundy interior. Absolutely 
 beautiful car. Might have even had wire wheel covers, I don’t recall.
 
 After he left General Motors he was a Chrysler guy for a number of years 
 until he bought a Honda.
 
 -D
 
 
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I hate FWD. 

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> On Dec 25, 2019, at 6:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, he was a hard core U.S. iron guy after having worked for GM for many 
> years. That being said, he did order a 450SL in the early 70s, just before 
> the gas crisis occurred. I’ve told that story before, but to recap, he 
> ordered the car, it came in a few months later when the you know what had 
> really hit the fan with Arab embargo on oil, and he had to back out of the 
> deal as many of his customers would have taken offense at him driving a 
> foreign car. Closest I ever saw the man to crying. Made me realize that this 
> must have been one special car and probably unknowingly affected my interest 
> in Mercedes.
> 
> The last American iron he owned was a Plymouth Horizon TC3. Had an 
> aftermarket pop-up style sunroof installed in it that “didn’t leak!” Dark 
> blue with a matching interior. He loved that car, as it was his first front 
> wheel drive car and the handling was something he had never experienced. He 
> used to like to bury the front end in a snowdrift and then show everyone how 
> easily it could extract itself.
> 
> I think that was the impetus for him to buy the Honda Prelude. He loved the 
> front wheel drive aspect and I don’t think there were many domestic front 
> wheel drive offerings at that time that were two seaters and relatively 
> upscale cars. Not sure - not a subject we covered before he passed.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Dec 25, 2019, at 7:03 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Bought a Honda. And that’s when it all ended for this country.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Dec 25, 2019, at 6:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dad had a 76, or whatever the first year model was - they had round 
>>> headlights. Silver with a red landau top and burgundy interior. Absolutely 
>>> beautiful car. Might have even had wire wheel covers, I don’t recall.
>>> 
>>> After he left General Motors he was a Chrysler guy for a number of years 
>>> until he bought a Honda.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I should buy this

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea but did it have the rich Corinthian leather?

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> On Dec 25, 2019, at 5:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dad had a 76, or whatever the first year model was - they had round 
> headlights. Silver with a red landau top and burgundy interior. Absolutely 
> beautiful car. Might have even had wire wheel covers, I don’t recall.
> 
> After he left General Motors he was a Chrysler guy for a number of years 
> until he bought a Honda.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 9:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] Hearing test

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

There was a recording artist a few years back (maybe a few decades now!) who 
was recording choral and orchestral works the "old way" in stereo -- two mics, 
one facing and and back angled in properly muffled auditoriums (draped to 
simulate  people in the seats).  Unlike the modern habit of recording every 
instrument close up and "mixing" a performance, he was recording what one would 
hear sitting in the auditorium.

No filters, so no way to "mix out" mistakes or off notes, but the difference 
was amazing.  Every performance I've ever seen involves people sitting 
stationary with the director determining the "mix", no one is running around 
the stage sticking their head down horn bells, etc.

To my ears, the result was quite satisfactory.  I didn't like the "ping pong" 
effect so popular when stereo became common either (and yes, I'm old enough to 
remember when everything vinyl was in mono)
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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I should buy this

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Room for two adults and two little kids IIRC. 
Not much distance between the back of the doors and the back window. 
Ah, here's a very good pic, and in the color of the one I almost bought around 
1990.
https://www.favcars.com/wallpapers-honda-prelude-1978-83-256735.htm

The 1991 Si with variable valve timing and rear wheel steering looked like this.
Big change in 13 years since 1978.
https://www.favcars.com/honda-prelude-si-vtec-bb4-1991-96-images-50626

> On December 25, 2019 at 9:22 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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> 
> 
> Might have been, I was thinking of it as a two door, not seating positions. 
> His was a two door with a stick as I recall. First year model, a 1978 I 
> believe.

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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I should buy this

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Might have been, I was thinking of it as a two door, not seating positions. His 
was a two door with a stick as I recall. First year model, a 1978 I believe.

-D



> On Dec 25, 2019, at 9:17 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On December 25, 2019 at 7:24 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think that was the impetus for him to buy the Honda Prelude. He loved the 
>> front wheel drive aspect and I don’t think there were many domestic front 
>> wheel drive offerings at that time that were two seaters and relatively 
>> upscale cars. Not sure - not a subject we covered before he passed.
> 
> Prelude was always a 2+2, wasn't it?
> Started out as an Accord coupe and moved upward from there. 
> By 1990ish you could get one with a form of four wheel steering. 
> 
> CRX and Del Sol were 2 seaters, and more recently S2000.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I should buy this

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> On December 25, 2019 at 7:24 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think that was the impetus for him to buy the Honda Prelude. He loved the 
> front wheel drive aspect and I don’t think there were many domestic front 
> wheel drive offerings at that time that were two seaters and relatively 
> upscale cars. Not sure - not a subject we covered before he passed.

Prelude was always a 2+2, wasn't it?
Started out as an Accord coupe and moved upward from there. 
By 1990ish you could get one with a form of four wheel steering. 

CRX and Del Sol were 2 seaters, and more recently S2000.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I should buy this

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Yeah, he was a hard core U.S. iron guy after having worked for GM for many 
years. That being said, he did order a 450SL in the early 70s, just before the 
gas crisis occurred. I’ve told that story before, but to recap, he ordered the 
car, it came in a few months later when the you know what had really hit the 
fan with Arab embargo on oil, and he had to back out of the deal as many of his 
customers would have taken offense at him driving a foreign car. Closest I ever 
saw the man to crying. Made me realize that this must have been one special car 
and probably unknowingly affected my interest in Mercedes.

The last American iron he owned was a Plymouth Horizon TC3. Had an aftermarket 
pop-up style sunroof installed in it that “didn’t leak!” Dark blue with a 
matching interior. He loved that car, as it was his first front wheel drive car 
and the handling was something he had never experienced. He used to like to 
bury the front end in a snowdrift and then show everyone how easily it could 
extract itself.

I think that was the impetus for him to buy the Honda Prelude. He loved the 
front wheel drive aspect and I don’t think there were many domestic front wheel 
drive offerings at that time that were two seaters and relatively upscale cars. 
Not sure - not a subject we covered before he passed.

-D

 
> On Dec 25, 2019, at 7:03 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
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> 
> Bought a Honda. And that’s when it all ended for this country.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 25, 2019, at 6:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dad had a 76, or whatever the first year model was - they had round 
>> headlights. Silver with a red landau top and burgundy interior. Absolutely 
>> beautiful car. Might have even had wire wheel covers, I don’t recall.
>> 
>> After he left General Motors he was a Chrysler guy for a number of years 
>> until he bought a Honda.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
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Bought a Honda. And that’s when it all ended for this country.

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> On Dec 25, 2019, at 6:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dad had a 76, or whatever the first year model was - they had round 
> headlights. Silver with a red landau top and burgundy interior. Absolutely 
> beautiful car. Might have even had wire wheel covers, I don’t recall.
> 
> After he left General Motors he was a Chrysler guy for a number of years 
> until he bought a Honda.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I should buy this

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Dad had a 76, or whatever the first year model was - they had round headlights. 
Silver with a red landau top and burgundy interior. Absolutely beautiful car. 
Might have even had wire wheel covers, I don’t recall.

After he left General Motors he was a Chrysler guy for a number of years until 
he bought a Honda.

-D


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