Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Kind of hard to say if the deaths and cases out of China are accurate. Take
the death of the ophthalmologist guy who blew the whistle on the whole
epidemic, for example. Russia is another case in point where medical
professionals start to fall out of windows if they say anything too far out
of line. We don't know anything they don't want us to know. We have some
ideas from urn orders by mortuaries etc that the death toll in China was
considerably higher than published.

Having said that, none of the official death numbers are accurate, from any
country. They all undercount the true death toll because people were dying
of this disease in nursing homes etc before anyone was testing for it. It
was true in Italy and it was and is true here. Similarly for the lower
working class in major cities here - they cannot afford to not work and
they are not about to go and get tested and told they need to stay home.
Looking at excess deaths for this time of year compared to other years is
likely to be the best way to tell how many people covid 19 ended up
killing. It takes time for those numbers to roll in, though.

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 5:49 PM Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Karl,
>
> Does anybody honestly believe the numbers coming out of China? I find them
> so low as to be a joke...
>
> I'm with Rick, we're all going to get this eventually, it's essentially a
> new, much worse, flu. Get used to the idea now. This who are waiting for a
> vaccine ignore the fact that the record for a vaccine release is 4 years.
>
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 7:52 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> Rick I won't tell either of them that you said they were fat or unhealthy
> :-) Picture very fit, active, healthy moms in their 40s and you will have
> the idea.
>
> My point is exactly that: many people (including me) want to minimize this
> thing by thinking that all the people getting sick are somehow not like
> them, but this is not the case. Statistically sure most young healthy
> people are not going to die from it. But it still makes normal, otherwise
> healthy, middle age people very sick in a way that influenza does not, over
> a much longer interval measured in weeks rather than days. I am talking
> about not being able to speak in full sentences for weeks, being short of
> breath talking on the phone. Having pain in your lungs when you breathe.
> For weeks.
>
> I think the flu comparison article I posted speaks to this. Covid deaths
> this year are multiples of influenza deaths even in a bad year.
>
> Exercise is always good, as is eating right, not smoking and not being fat.
>
> I am not trying to alarm anyone, or advocate for any particular response,
> other than to rank it higher on the list of threats in your thinking than
> the flu, take appropriate precautions, etc. Saying we are all going to get
> it is rather defeatist when it is clearly possible to suppress to virtually
> zero e.g. Taiwan, Hong Kong, China, Singapore, S. Korea. I dont think any
> of us want to give it to our parents or elderly friends. Wash hands, wear a
> mask if you are close to vulnerable people for more than 30 minutes in a
> poorly ventilated space, these are sensible precautions that don't cost
> much. Maybe we will start to track it better so we dont end up shutting the
> whole economy down.
>
> Ok maybe I was silly to bring it up, especially for Euan in New Zealand
> where they dont even have any of this disease.
>
> Maybe the meth jokes arent so bad after all.
>
> As you were.
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2020, 2:28 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Karl inquires:
> >
> > >How many people do you know who have died of the flu?
> >
> > With or of? A few over the years with, none of.
> > I do have know someone who was very close to death from H1N1 in 2009.
> > From, not with. She is still not 100% a decade later. That is/was a VERY
> > nasty virus that directly killed a lot of otherwise healthy people.
> >
> > >The mom of my 3rd grader's classmate has been in >the hospital for about
> > 6 weeks and a colleague of >mine at the hospital was out of work for 5
> > weeks >and still cant breathe well when she lies flat. 40yo RN
> >
> > Estimated BMI over 30? Other comorbidities?
> >
> > Sorry folks, if you are fat, out of shape, or have other health issues,
> > address what you can. The curve has been flattened, but the area under
> the
> > curve has not. Meaning whoever was going to get this virus is still going
> > to get it, just later this year or next. Meaning we will have to fight
> off
> > not only Covid 19, but influenza a or influenza b, AND Covid 19
> > concomitantly. So, with that said,
> >
> > 1. If you smoke, quit. Now. I watched my mom and my brother pass from
> lung
> > cancer. I suspect death from this is 

Re: [MBZ] Covid. was: THe Bug

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Very few transmission events from infected people after two weeks following
symptom onset. Very ill people may be able to shed live virus longer.

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 7:45 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is a very good writeup IMO.
>
> Do you or anyone else know how long after symptoms of covid subside that
> patients are no longer infectious?
> Thanks,
> Gerry
> 
> Peter Frederick via Mercedes  wrote:
>
> > Actually, isolation is the only way to stop the spread.  This is an
> unusual virus in that it's possible to actually stop the spread, difficulty
> is that it can have a long incubation period with virus shedding going on
> for some days before symptoms get bad enough to send someone in for testing.
> >
> > This isn't the first time, either -- SARS and MERS are similar viruses,
> just much less transmissible.  Another long forgotten incident involved fur
> animals in Manchuria in the early part of the 1900s, when no vaccine was
> possible.  That outbreak was traced back to harvesitng sick animals for
> fur, and was stopped by guess what, cloth masks and social distancing.
> >
> > The key to stopping the spread is testing and contact tracing -- if
> people can be tested easily, it's possible to break the chain of
> transmission, and when no more people are getting infected, eventually the
> virus will no long reproduce.
> >
> > My local county has always had a pretty strong public health department,
> and has been on top of tracing and testing since the start -- luckily, we
> are more or less remote here, and full state wide social restrictions were
> in place before the first cases showed up.  The result is that we have just
> over 200 cases for 200,000 people and two deaths.  Case number per day is
> down to five or six, and I believe nearly all of them were people in
> observation for exposure.
> >
> > Couple people refused to self isolate and were promptly served with stay
> at home orders by a local judge -- we still have quarantine laws on the
> books from when there were no antibiotics or vaccines for common illnesses
> like scarlet fever a measles.
> >
> > while it may seem very harsh and draconian, the lockdown in China
> worked.  You have to understand the filtering of news there, but I suspect
> the reported case numbers are reasonably accurate -- if the Parry lies too
> much, they will be overthrown, it's how things work in China.  South Korea
> and Tiawan, both of whom had serious issues with SARS in the 90s, have very
> low cases as well.
> >
> > One point more -- nightclubs opened in Seol, and at least 126 cases have
> come from a single club over a couple nights.  This is what I'm worried
> about with the lunatics that squeal about how their "rights" are being
> infringed by public health measures.  Only takes one jerk ignoring the
> health rules to infect hundreds of people in close quarters.  Ditto for the
> boob that insisted he run his barber shop in spite of the shutdown -- he's
> now positive and who knows how many of his clients are too as a result.
> >
> > I definitely error on the side of caution, it's why I've driven a Benz
> for decades.  Hardly an imposition to wear a mask compared to getting
> really, really sick or killing my elderly mother.  We are not all isolated
> sovereign states with no responsibilities, we are a community and need to
> remember everyone is entitled to what we are.  Or as my Grandmother used to
> say "You have your rights, true -- until they run into mine, and you are
> standing on my toes"
> >
> > Far too many people who blow on about their "right" to do whatever they
> want are notably absent when it's time to take responsibility for the
> results of their actions.
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Re: [MBZ] Covid. was: THe Bug

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

The repeat tests being positive do not mean the sailors were necessarily
reinfected, or infectious. It is a PCR. Cases like this have been described
in China also, but no documented transmission has occurred from these
individuals to others and they may simply still be shedding viral RNA
without being contagious.

On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 7:01 PM Clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Ask the Navy.  Seems sailors on the Roosevelt (docked in Guam) are getting
> cleared for duty after multiple tests show clean.  There have been around a
> half dozen or more who have been re-infected.
>
> Same sort of situations reported in UK, Canada, as well as other nations.
>  This may not be something that ever “goes away”.
>
>
> clay
>
> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>
>
>
> > On May 16, 2020, at 6:44 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is a very good writeup IMO.
> >
> > Do you or anyone else know how long after symptoms of covid subside that
> patients are no longer infectious?
> > Thanks,
> > Gerry
> > 
> > Peter Frederick via Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >> Actually, isolation is the only way to stop the spread.  This is an
> unusual virus in that it's possible to actually stop the spread, difficulty
> is that it can have a long incubation period with virus shedding going on
> for some days before symptoms get bad enough to send someone in for testing.
> >>
> >> This isn't the first time, either -- SARS and MERS are similar viruses,
> just much less transmissible.  Another long forgotten incident involved fur
> animals in Manchuria in the early part of the 1900s, when no vaccine was
> possible.  That outbreak was traced back to harvesitng sick animals for
> fur, and was stopped by guess what, cloth masks and social distancing.
> >>
> >> The key to stopping the spread is testing and contact tracing -- if
> people can be tested easily, it's possible to break the chain of
> transmission, and when no more people are getting infected, eventually the
> virus will no long reproduce.
> >>
> >> My local county has always had a pretty strong public health
> department, and has been on top of tracing and testing since the start --
> luckily, we are more or less remote here, and full state wide social
> restrictions were in place before the first cases showed up.  The result is
> that we have just over 200 cases for 200,000 people and two deaths.  Case
> number per day is down to five or six, and I believe nearly all of them
> were people in observation for exposure.
> >>
> >> Couple people refused to self isolate and were promptly served with
> stay at home orders by a local judge -- we still have quarantine laws on
> the books from when there were no antibiotics or vaccines for common
> illnesses like scarlet fever a measles.
> >>
> >> while it may seem very harsh and draconian, the lockdown in China
> worked.  You have to understand the filtering of news there, but I suspect
> the reported case numbers are reasonably accurate -- if the Parry lies too
> much, they will be overthrown, it's how things work in China.  South Korea
> and Tiawan, both of whom had serious issues with SARS in the 90s, have very
> low cases as well.
> >>
> >> One point more -- nightclubs opened in Seol, and at least 126 cases
> have come from a single club over a couple nights.  This is what I'm
> worried about with the lunatics that squeal about how their "rights" are
> being infringed by public health measures.  Only takes one jerk ignoring
> the health rules to infect hundreds of people in close quarters.  Ditto for
> the boob that insisted he run his barber shop in spite of the shutdown --
> he's now positive and who knows how many of his clients are too as a result.
> >>
> >> I definitely error on the side of caution, it's why I've driven a Benz
> for decades.  Hardly an imposition to wear a mask compared to getting
> really, really sick or killing my elderly mother.  We are not all isolated
> sovereign states with no responsibilities, we are a community and need to
> remember everyone is entitled to what we are.  Or as my Grandmother used to
> say "You have your rights, true -- until they run into mine, and you are
> standing on my toes"
> >>
> >> Far too many people who blow on about their "right" to do whatever they
> want are notably absent when it's time to take responsibility for the
> results of their actions.
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Re: [MBZ] A project for some Jaime or Poos?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If Grant jumps on it he would find that the dry desert air actually cures
existing rust.

On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 11:33 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
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> Could be a real sleeper of a deal.
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 11:26 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1634911066684679/
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Re: [MBZ] A project for some Jaime or Poos?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Could be a real sleeper of a deal.

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Re: [MBZ] A project for some Jaime or Poos?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Those magic words.. "Ran when Parked"..just before Noah finished the
Ark
Great starting point for a multi decade restoration...
Jump on it.. "only" $300 each

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[MBZ] A project for some Jaime or Poos?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

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[MBZ] Care of your aging R107 SL - webinar

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Webinar from George Murhy.  Just passing it along, I have no stake in this.

https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/care-of-your-aging-107sl-peachtree-mbca-virtual-georgia-940356
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Re: [MBZ] OT hard ice cream vs soft

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

We have a local dairy here that sells whole raw milk to the public. I’m sure 
the laws are different here maybe. 

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> On May 17, 2020, at 9:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I like how our local dairies sell whole raw milk for “pet consumption”. Only 
> legal way they can sell the stuff.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On May 17, 2020, at 9:50 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Local family dairy.  Before the milk industry forced them to co-mingle and 
>> purchase back milk for home delivery.  Good, clean, muddy cows from out in 
>> the fields.  Also just around the time the enviro-weirdness settled in.  
>> Vegan store at the time was about the size of a one car garage.  May 
>> actually have been one.
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On May 16, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Artisanal, grass fed, free range, antibiotic free ice cream?
>>> 
>>> We've had one of these scoops that has some sort of mystery juice inside of 
>>> it for years. It cuts through the hardest ice cream like buttah. All sorts 
>>> of warnings about not putting it in hot water or the dishwasher. Maybe it 
>>> would explode?
>>> 
>>> https://tinyurl.com/yd5uoy9e
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Re: [MBZ] OT hard ice cream vs soft

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I like how our local dairies sell whole raw milk for “pet consumption”. Only 
legal way they can sell the stuff.

-D


> On May 17, 2020, at 9:50 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Local family dairy.  Before the milk industry forced them to co-mingle and 
> purchase back milk for home delivery.  Good, clean, muddy cows from out in 
> the fields.  Also just around the time the enviro-weirdness settled in.  
> Vegan store at the time was about the size of a one car garage.  May actually 
> have been one.
> 
> clay 
> 
> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 16, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Artisanal, grass fed, free range, antibiotic free ice cream?
>> 
>> We've had one of these scoops that has some sort of mystery juice inside of 
>> it for years. It cuts through the hardest ice cream like buttah. All sorts 
>> of warnings about not putting it in hot water or the dishwasher. Maybe it 
>> would explode?
>> 
>> https://tinyurl.com/yd5uoy9e
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Covid. was: THe Bug

[Clay via Mercedes]

Ask the Navy.  Seems sailors on the Roosevelt (docked in Guam) are getting 
cleared for duty after multiple tests show clean.  There have been around a 
half dozen or more who have been re-infected.

Same sort of situations reported in UK, Canada, as well as other nations.   
This may not be something that ever “goes away”.


clay 

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.



> On May 16, 2020, at 6:44 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> This is a very good writeup IMO.
> 
> Do you or anyone else know how long after symptoms of covid subside that 
> patients are no longer infectious?
> Thanks,
> Gerry
> 
> Peter Frederick via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
>> Actually, isolation is the only way to stop the spread.  This is an unusual 
>> virus in that it's possible to actually stop the spread, difficulty is that 
>> it can have a long incubation period with virus shedding going on for some 
>> days before symptoms get bad enough to send someone in for testing.
>> 
>> This isn't the first time, either -- SARS and MERS are similar viruses, just 
>> much less transmissible.  Another long forgotten incident involved fur 
>> animals in Manchuria in the early part of the 1900s, when no vaccine was 
>> possible.  That outbreak was traced back to harvesitng sick animals for fur, 
>> and was stopped by guess what, cloth masks and social distancing.
>> 
>> The key to stopping the spread is testing and contact tracing -- if people 
>> can be tested easily, it's possible to break the chain of transmission, and 
>> when no more people are getting infected, eventually the virus will no long 
>> reproduce.
>> 
>> My local county has always had a pretty strong public health department, and 
>> has been on top of tracing and testing since the start -- luckily, we are 
>> more or less remote here, and full state wide social restrictions were in 
>> place before the first cases showed up.  The result is that we have just 
>> over 200 cases for 200,000 people and two deaths.  Case number per day is 
>> down to five or six, and I believe nearly all of them were people in 
>> observation for exposure.
>> 
>> Couple people refused to self isolate and were promptly served with stay at 
>> home orders by a local judge -- we still have quarantine laws on the books 
>> from when there were no antibiotics or vaccines for common illnesses like 
>> scarlet fever a measles.
>> 
>> while it may seem very harsh and draconian, the lockdown in China worked.  
>> You have to understand the filtering of news there, but I suspect the 
>> reported case numbers are reasonably accurate -- if the Parry lies too much, 
>> they will be overthrown, it's how things work in China.  South Korea and 
>> Tiawan, both of whom had serious issues with SARS in the 90s, have very low 
>> cases as well.
>> 
>> One point more -- nightclubs opened in Seol, and at least 126 cases have 
>> come from a single club over a couple nights.  This is what I'm worried 
>> about with the lunatics that squeal about how their "rights" are being 
>> infringed by public health measures.  Only takes one jerk ignoring the 
>> health rules to infect hundreds of people in close quarters.  Ditto for the 
>> boob that insisted he run his barber shop in spite of the shutdown -- he's 
>> now positive and who knows how many of his clients are too as a result.
>> 
>> I definitely error on the side of caution, it's why I've driven a Benz for 
>> decades.  Hardly an imposition to wear a mask compared to getting really, 
>> really sick or killing my elderly mother.  We are not all isolated sovereign 
>> states with no responsibilities, we are a community and need to remember 
>> everyone is entitled to what we are.  Or as my Grandmother used to say "You 
>> have your rights, true -- until they run into mine, and you are standing on 
>> my toes"
>> 
>> Far too many people who blow on about their "right" to do whatever they want 
>> are notably absent when it's time to take responsibility for the results of 
>> their actions.
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Re: [MBZ] OT hard ice cream vs soft

[Clay via Mercedes]

Local family dairy.  Before the milk industry forced them to co-mingle and 
purchase back milk for home delivery.  Good, clean, muddy cows from out in the 
fields.  Also just around the time the enviro-weirdness settled in.  Vegan 
store at the time was about the size of a one car garage.  May actually have 
been one.

clay 

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> On May 16, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Artisanal, grass fed, free range, antibiotic free ice cream?
> 
> We've had one of these scoops that has some sort of mystery juice inside of 
> it for years. It cuts through the hardest ice cream like buttah. All sorts of 
> warnings about not putting it in hot water or the dishwasher. Maybe it would 
> explode?
> 
> https://tinyurl.com/yd5uoy9e

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Re: [MBZ] Forget About an AMG E60 or the Like, Kaleb

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Where’s the fun in that?

--FT
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> On May 17, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Quit buying $500 junks, sell a few cars and save up some cash.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Many tractors have a hook to hold the clutch pedal in the down position...

Or a hand-operated clutch, like the Minneapolis Moline.  You could tie
a rope to it, and yourself, so that if you fell off the back it'd stop the 
machine.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Forget About an AMG E60 or the Like, Kaleb

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>damn I need that

It will be for sale soon. Dude lives in Shitcago and he has too many cars. It 
is very expensive to own a vehicle in Crook county. I'll post it when it goes 
up for sale.  
Quit buying $500 junks, sell a few cars and save up some cash. 

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] 1955 Mercedes-Benz 180D for sale #2401588 - Hemmings Motor News

[OK Don via Mercedes]

My 36HP VW would maintain 70 mph as long as the head wind wasn't too strong
nor the hills too steep. That Diesel will have much more torque as well. I
think it will easily do 75mph.

On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 2:39 PM Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is about what I was thinking:
> 42hp
> 0-60mph 37s
> 0-100kph 42s
> Top speed 68mph.
> But that was a manual trans, and the Hemmings car is supposed to be an
> automatic?
>
> Compares favorably to a 36hp VW a friend drove 60 years ago that had to
> draft a truck to maintain 65mph.
>
>
> https://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/1955/1460195/mercedes-benz_180_d.html
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2020 9:32 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > Todd Knutson would be the best resource on this, but I believe he has
> > said these cars will hold their own on todays roads as far as speed.
> > Definitely the six cylinder models will.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Many tractors have a hook to hold the clutch pedal in the down position and 
disengage the clutch during long-idle periods.  These, of course, have 
mechanical linkages.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK
> Don via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 1:03 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: OK Don 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
> 
> Ah - true! I'd forgotten that little detail.
> 
> On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 10:40 AM MG via Mercedes
> 
> wrote:
> 
> > If the car hasn't been used for a long time it may be that the disk is
> > rusted to the flywheel. That has happened more then once on some cars
> > I have had.
> >
> > If you can start it in gear you should be able to break it loose by
> > sudden acceleration deceleration while holding the clutch down.
> >
> > MG
> >
> >
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> 
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> and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Wernher Von Braun
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> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] 1955 Mercedes-Benz 180D for sale #2401588 - Hemmings Motor News

[Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes]

This is about what I was thinking:
42hp
0-60mph 37s
0-100kph 42s
Top speed 68mph.
But that was a manual trans, and the Hemmings car is supposed to be an
automatic?

Compares favorably to a 36hp VW a friend drove 60 years ago that had to
draft a truck to maintain 65mph.

https://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/1955/1460195/mercedes-benz_180_d.html

On Sun, May 17, 2020 9:32 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> Todd Knutson would be the best resource on this, but I believe he has
> said these cars will hold their own on todays roads as far as speed.
> Definitely the six cylinder models will.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Ah - true! I'd forgotten that little detail.

On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 10:40 AM MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

> If the car hasn't been used for a long time it may be
> that the disk is rusted to the flywheel. That has
> happened more then once on some cars I have had.
>
> If you can start it in gear you should be able to break
> it loose by sudden acceleration deceleration while
> holding the clutch down.
>
> MG
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Forget About an AMG E60 or the Like, Kaleb

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

damn I need that

--FT

On 5/16/20 11:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Do this to your E320 CDI:

https://youtu.be/cjIYsfKEYKM

-D

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Re: [MBZ] 1955 Mercedes-Benz 180D for sale #2401588 - Hemmings Motor News

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

At least the first one is. I wonder how old that picture is, and what the car 
really looks like today?

That’s a major, major pet peeve for me. People who use pictures that are years 
old for a current advertisement. I once considered a W110 in CT (thanks, Dwight 
and friends!) that had photos in the ad that were between two and three years 
old. The car barely resembled them, if I recall correctly.

-D

> On May 17, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> period-correct photos
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 5/16/20 10:17 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
>> https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz/180d/2401588.html?refer=alert_source=alert_medium=email_campaign=2020-05-15
>> 
>> 
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] 1955 Mercedes-Benz 180D for sale #2401588 - Hemmings Motor News

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

period-correct photos

--FT

On 5/16/20 10:17 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz/180d/2401588.html?refer=alert_source=alert_medium=email_campaign=2020-05-15


Dwight Giles Jr.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch

[MG via Mercedes]

If the car hasn't been used for a long time it may be 
that the disk is rusted to the flywheel. That has 
happened more then once on some cars I have had.


If you can start it in gear you should be able to break 
it loose by sudden acceleration deceleration while 
holding the clutch down.


MG

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Yea but in this case noting does happen, can’t shift it into gear. 


Sent from my iPhone


On May 16, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
 wrote:

When the clutches are really good, pressing the pedal does feel like
nothing is connected.  If the pedal comes back up when you push it down,
that’s a really good sign.

Jaime



On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the
underside and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front end
work. Will need ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for sure.
Have not looked at the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably need to
just redo the entire front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk and
center support. Moved on to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder up to
the brake reservoir then opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and got a
good steady stream of fluid out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while. Does
this mean my issue is not air on the system? When pressing the clutch it
pushed down and comes right back up but does not feel like it is actually
doing doing anything. I pulled the under dash cover and nothing is
disconnected there. How do I go about figuring out what the actual issue is
as far as if it’s a master cylinder issue, slave cylinder or something else?

I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car
around. After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going because
I do not want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying on my
back under the car. Screw that.

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Re: [MBZ] 1955 Mercedes-Benz 180D for sale #2401588 - Hemmings Motor News

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Todd Knutson would be the best resource on this, but I believe he has said 
these cars will hold their own on todays roads as far as speed. Definitely the 
six cylinder models will.

-D

> On May 17, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes 
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> 
> If a 240D does 85mph, how fast is a 180D?
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] 1955 Mercedes-Benz 180D for sale #2401588 - Hemmings Motor News

[Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes]

If a 240D does 85mph, how fast is a 180D?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Hey... We’re all upside down!

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Thanks !
The sig info got clipped for some reason... so I missed that.


On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 10:44 PM fmiser via Mercedes 
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> > G wrote:
>
> > ...fill me in, what are you driving and fixing.
>
> Oh Grant,  you should look back a couple messages and read his sig. :)
>
> > > Euan
>
> > > 1985 W123 300TD 5-spd manual
> > > 223K miles
>
> > > Christchurch, NZ
>
> I betting that '85 is just fine - I'm sure not fond of the MBUSA 1985
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