Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
Besides the fact that the persons most likely to give up that information already work for the car makers... -Curt On Friday, October 2, 2020, 12:32:42 AM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Obscurity is not security. If the car can be "stolen" by "hackers" the manufacturer needs to fix the insecurities that make that possible. Allan Curt Raymond via Mercedes writes: > MA has a big "right to repair" bill in the next voting cycle. The > automakers are using major scare tactics "This bill will give hackers > all the information on your car, they'll steal everything!" -Curt > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
Obscurity is not security. If the car can be "stolen" by "hackers" the manufacturer needs to fix the insecurities that make that possible. Allan Curt Raymond via Mercedes writes: > MA has a big "right to repair" bill in the next voting cycle. The > automakers are using major scare tactics "This bill will give hackers > all the information on your car, they'll steal everything!" -Curt > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT maybe Honda transmission fluid is magic
Well the problem has started to return -- so if the fluid is magic it was used quickly. I guess there is an inline filter in the line to the cooler. I was told the filter was internal to the transmission and not replacable without disassembly. https://www.hondapartsnow.com/genuine/honda~filter~25430-plr-003.html When I start the car I hear a whine like the transmission pump is starved for fluid. That goes away after warm up. But the level is at the max mark on the dipstick. So maybe the filter is so dirty that not enough is circulating when cold and pressure is too low for good gear changes. Anyway it should be one last cheap thing to try. Allan Allan Streib writes: > Didn't end up driving it yesterday. Drove it about 10 or 15 miles today > at a variety of speeds, then did the final drain/fill with the last of > the fresh fluid I have on hand. It's about $8.75/qt so I don't want to > be too frivolous with it. A drain and fill is about 3.5 quarts. > > I'm assuming it might need another change or two at a reduced mileage > interval from normal, but so far so good. > > I've heard the stories that if transmission fluid changes have been > neglected, then changing the fluid can stir up a lot of sediment. Not > sure how true that is, but if that's what happened the last time I > changed it, perhaps that explains what is going on. > > Too bad the filter isn't a FRU. > > Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
MA has a big "right to repair" bill in the next voting cycle. The automakers are using major scare tactics "This bill will give hackers all the information on your car, they'll steal everything!" -Curt On Thursday, October 1, 2020, 9:20:38 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: Yeah. But to revisit a recent theme, they are designing products mainly around people who live in cities, so they can sell a few million, rather than 4. I am looking at my foray into om648 ECU CAN hacking as a potentially important set of skills for ag equipment, though. It is all about who owns the data these days. Several lawsuits about it, whether you can work on your own machine or have access to it, etc. On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 5:52 PM Clay via Mercedes wrote: > Until I return to a civilized city, electric cars are out of the picture. > I found the closest charging station to me is the local power plant, about > four miles away. There are four within drive range of the cars. The next > is 50 miles down the road, the next another 100 beyond that, and another > about 86 miles on. All located at the power company taps for the small > utility companies. No way to get to the plug in at Fairbanks, as you run > out of power half way there. I am trying to figure out why Cordova has a > charging spot. There are no roads to anywhere, and you have to get a ship > to get there. > > > > clay > > “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our > history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this > general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.” > > B. Johnson > 01/09/2020 > > > On Oct 1, 2020, at 4:21 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Get ready. > > > > Forbes: Tesla’s $25,000 Electric Car Means Game Over For Gas And Oil. > > > https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2020/09/26/teslas-25000-electric-car-means-game-over-for-gas-and-oil/ > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
And smoke... -Curt On Thursday, October 1, 2020, 8:30:39 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > How easy is it to reprocess LiOn? Apparently very easy to turn them into heat and light. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
Mitch Haley via Mercedes writes: > Every proposal I saw for per mile taxes involved installing a GPS > tracker in the car. > They probably want the tracking more than they want the road tax money. Yep. Think automatic speeding tickets based on GPS speed. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: A new job for Bob ...Now Fusion
All we need is a scientific breakthrough that overcomes both the laws of physics and reality... concurrently.. Then,,, it will work and be free.. Have to run.. I'm late for my daily Unicorn ride.. On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 3:22 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The high temperature superconductivity is the key to the smaller reactor, > which kind of obsoletes the ITER technology. Perhaps the time projections > are approaching reality as we overcome technological obstacles. It would be > nice :-) > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan > Streib via Mercedes > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2020 3:05 PM > To: Craig via Mercedes > Cc: Allan Streib > Subject: Re: [MBZ] A new job for Bob ... > > Fusion is coming in the next decade (as it has been since 1955) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sJ4iCVCgA8 > > > > Craig via Mercedes writes: > > > On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 20:55:26 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > >> And will the use of Thorium in reactors cause the cost of thoriated > >> lantern mantles to go up? > > > > Are they even available now? I recall hearing comments about the new > > mantles being less bright because they did not have thorium. > > > > > > Craig > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hoovie's old Benzes
For a newer car where the computer can reveal interesting information, I might agree. For an older car, they aren't going to tell you anything you can't see for yourself with a visual inspection. You can tell a lot by just looking closely. There are some good clues that the car had proper care, e.g. is the coolant the right color, do other fluids look OK and at proper levels, are the tires showing any unusual wear patterns, any obvious fluid leaks, etc. How do the hoses and belts look, look at the air filter and see what brand it is and is it reasonably clean or filthy. Allan Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes writes: > It IS possible to find a diamond on the rough with no provenance/records, > but you have to get a PPI. > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 8:04 PM Clay via Mercedes > wrote: > >> The only Benz I bought with records were from the early 1970’s. W115 had >> sparse file but lots of support manuals and receipts of recent work. The >> R107 had all records from second owner (1987 on). The rest were devoid or >> paperwork. >> >> >> clay >> >> >> 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green >> 2014 ‘yota Highlander - Haggis >> >> retired models- >> 1986 SDL - Polei >> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap >> 1982 SD - Allen >> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery >> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran >> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV >> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Oct 1, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > >> > You really don't know this group do you? >> > How many cars do you think have been purchased by folks on this forum in >> the past 10 years that had any significant history of service? >> > Most of what these folks appear to be looking for is a cheap car that >> might be repairable. >> > >> > RB >> > >> > On 01/10/2020 11:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: >> >> Never buy a Mercedes that has no service history. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 10:22 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Bought some overpriced POSs sight unseen >> >>> >> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqJVIin8kN4 >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> --FT >> >>> >> >>> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hoovie's old Benzes
It IS possible to find a diamond on the rough with no provenance/records, but you have to get a PPI. On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 8:04 PM Clay via Mercedes wrote: > The only Benz I bought with records were from the early 1970’s. W115 had > sparse file but lots of support manuals and receipts of recent work. The > R107 had all records from second owner (1987 on). The rest were devoid or > paperwork. > > > clay > > > 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green > 2014 ‘yota Highlander - Haggis > > retired models- > 1986 SDL - Polei > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap > 1982 SD - Allen > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 1, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > You really don't know this group do you? > > How many cars do you think have been purchased by folks on this forum in > the past 10 years that had any significant history of service? > > Most of what these folks appear to be looking for is a cheap car that > might be repairable. > > > > RB > > > > On 01/10/2020 11:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > >> Never buy a Mercedes that has no service history. > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 10:22 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Bought some overpriced POSs sight unseen > >>> > >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqJVIin8kN4 > >>> > >>> -- > >>> --FT > >>> > >>> > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2000 Mercedes ML320 AWD, 167K mile - $2,999
Raspberry sorbet. Delish color. On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 4:50 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Looks halfway nice to me. > > > https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-2000-mercedes-ml320-awd-167k/7205453943.html > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
JAUM .. Jet Aviation Unit of Money $100,000.00 On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 1:37 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > You can be sure that some of the magic smoke in the controllers, actuators, > and computers will escape, thus requiring replacement at what I'd assume > will be a rather high cost, like an AUM or two or three. (AUM = aviation > unit of money = $1,000) > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 1:06 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > "No maintenance" is some of the hype I mentioned in my last message. > > There are still brakes, they last longer than an ICE car but they will > > still need replacement. Tires too. In a Tesla Model S I could see me > > needing tires more often, with that much power on tap it would be hard to > > stay out of the fun pedal. > > Then there's all the passenger comfort stuff to break, little motors and > > sensors etc. An old Tesla is going to be a nightmare to maintain when > those > > bits age. > > -Curt > > > > On Thursday, October 1, 2020, 2:09:15 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via > > Mercedes wrote: > > > > They love their Bolts. They are on their second set of Bolts I think. > Pay > > the 250/mo lease and turn it in for a new one in a few years. No > > maintenance and no fuel. Hard to get much cheaper driving than that in a > > new vehicle. > > > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 5:35 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes writes: > > > > > > > Chevy Bolt is not an uncommon sight here. My neighbor is an EE from > > > > Stanford. He just sold his 67 427 Vette. They drive two Bolts now. > > > > > > I've actually been considering a Bolt. Though $30K would be well over > > > the "insane" line for me for what I would want to pay for a car, > > > nevertheless I've thought about it and tried to consider TCO, etc. > > > > > > I'm not crazy about the styling, but could live with it. > > > > > > Range is still a concern for me. The rated range of a Bolt is something > > > I would consider adequate for most of my needs. But in the wintertime, > > > you're lucky to get half that according to reviews I've read. And > that's > > > not good enough for the price they're asking. > > > > > > I'm also concerned about battery longevity. How much range do you lose > > > after 5 years? 10? Very little real-world data yet. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
Yeah. But to revisit a recent theme, they are designing products mainly around people who live in cities, so they can sell a few million, rather than 4. I am looking at my foray into om648 ECU CAN hacking as a potentially important set of skills for ag equipment, though. It is all about who owns the data these days. Several lawsuits about it, whether you can work on your own machine or have access to it, etc. On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 5:52 PM Clay via Mercedes wrote: > Until I return to a civilized city, electric cars are out of the picture. > I found the closest charging station to me is the local power plant, about > four miles away. There are four within drive range of the cars. The next > is 50 miles down the road, the next another 100 beyond that, and another > about 86 miles on. All located at the power company taps for the small > utility companies. No way to get to the plug in at Fairbanks, as you run > out of power half way there. I am trying to figure out why Cordova has a > charging spot. There are no roads to anywhere, and you have to get a ship > to get there. > > > > clay > > “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our > history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this > general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.” > > B. Johnson > 01/09/2020 > > > On Oct 1, 2020, at 4:21 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Get ready. > > > > Forbes: Tesla’s $25,000 Electric Car Means Game Over For Gas And Oil. > > > https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2020/09/26/teslas-25000-electric-car-means-game-over-for-gas-and-oil/ > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
Very toxic extraction process. But that is ok, as the mines are in Chile. Probably akin to living on the sludge of the Salton Sea for health outcomes. I have no data on reprocessing. I was forced to hand over the dead cells (powertool, laptop, toy) on penalty of death or assault by rainbow unicorns when I lived in SEA. Even the post office had recycle bins, as did most locations taking e-wastes or grocery bags. Maybe the stuff is shoveled into containers and sent to China. We will end up with some form of Gojira WRD slithering to the civilized world from Asian shores in due time. I would have a resounding belly laugh if it turns out China is “remanufacturing” the cells and loading the questionable cells into their EV offerings. Some fellow is tootling down the rice paddy roadway and a blinding flash of light leaves aught but his shadow upon the tarmac. clay “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.” B. Johnson 01/09/2020 > On Oct 1, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > How much pollution is created from making the batteries and disposing of them > when they are dead? clay “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.” B. Johnson 01/09/2020 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
Until I return to a civilized city, electric cars are out of the picture. I found the closest charging station to me is the local power plant, about four miles away. There are four within drive range of the cars. The next is 50 miles down the road, the next another 100 beyond that, and another about 86 miles on. All located at the power company taps for the small utility companies. No way to get to the plug in at Fairbanks, as you run out of power half way there. I am trying to figure out why Cordova has a charging spot. There are no roads to anywhere, and you have to get a ship to get there. clay “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.” B. Johnson 01/09/2020 > On Oct 1, 2020, at 4:21 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes > wrote: > > Get ready. > > Forbes: Tesla’s $25,000 Electric Car Means Game Over For Gas And Oil. > https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2020/09/26/teslas-25000-electric-car-means-game-over-for-gas-and-oil/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
> How easy is it to reprocess LiOn? Apparently very easy to turn them into heat and light. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
How much pollution is created from making the batteries and disposing of them when they are dead? Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 1, 2020, at 7:24 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote: > > I got sucked down the youtube hole last night with How Its Made. The > episode with LiOn car batteries was dated, but mentions something like a 70k > mile life in auto usage. Maybe the things are better now. Short drives of > under a few hundred miles would get you a decade or so of useable life. Is > that the MTBF for EV or effective life cycle for these cars? > > Lead Acid battery recycles ad infinitum. How easy is it to reprocess LiOn? > And when you run out of Lithium salts? Then what? > > > clay > > “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our history, > about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of > self-recrimination and wetness.” > > B. Johnson > 01/09/2020 > >> On Oct 1, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Something I just thought of: LiON batteries have a limited number of >> charge/discharge cycles. I wonder if using them as surge power for the grid >> would limit the lifespan.Presumably not draining them significantly would >> minimize the problem but I certainly wouldn't be down for having my car's >> battery life limited because PG&E can't be bothered to upgrade it's >> infrastructure. >> Of course upgraded infrastructure will result in higher rates for consumers. >> It has to, that money has to come from somewhere. >> I'm a fan of electric cars, they're fun to drive. If you haven't driven one >> you really should. Even the Nissan Leaf is pretty fun. I'm not a fan of the >> hype (and frankly, lies from both sides) surrounding electric cars. >> One last thought: Electric cars are good for those of us who are fans of ICE >> vehicles, more gasoline/diesel fuel for us... >> -Curt >> >> On Thursday, October 1, 2020, 2:06:54 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> The inverter does not need to be in the car any more than the inverter >> needs to be in the solar panel. Inverters are cheap. >> >> I am sure there are considerable technical hurdles to overcome with the >> program, but none of them look insurmountable. Except perhaps the >> regulatory environment. >> >> I think some of these new fast chargers are going to need batteries to be >> able to provide the sort of current they require without overloading >> transmission lines. >> >> Here you can still get some sort of federal and state rebates on a bolt and >> you also save the 5k/yr in fuel, so dont forget to include that in the >> calculation >> >> 99% of our driving is less than 50 miles. And it is warm here of course. >> >>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 5:02 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> On 2020-09-30 19:50, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: Anybody with a 50a 240v dryer outlet can charge an electric car. If solar panels can run hour meter backward, so can a battery. >>> >>> >>> If you put an inverter in the car so it can generate 60hz AC. >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
Every proposal I saw for per mile taxes involved installing a GPS tracker in the car. They probably want the tracking more than they want the road tax money. Mitch. On 2020-10-01 20:17, Clay via Mercedes wrote: Seattle and socialist Washington State just recently bumped up the registration fee on EV and hybrids due to the lack of revenue from emission testing and gas taxes. One favored solution is to tax per mile driven. I can picture odometers being spun backward wholesale. Somebody will figure out how to hack the computers to make that happen. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
I got sucked down the youtube hole last night with How Its Made. The episode with LiOn car batteries was dated, but mentions something like a 70k mile life in auto usage. Maybe the things are better now. Short drives of under a few hundred miles would get you a decade or so of useable life. Is that the MTBF for EV or effective life cycle for these cars? Lead Acid battery recycles ad infinitum. How easy is it to reprocess LiOn? And when you run out of Lithium salts? Then what? clay “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.” B. Johnson 01/09/2020 > On Oct 1, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > Something I just thought of: LiON batteries have a limited number of > charge/discharge cycles. I wonder if using them as surge power for the grid > would limit the lifespan.Presumably not draining them significantly would > minimize the problem but I certainly wouldn't be down for having my car's > battery life limited because PG&E can't be bothered to upgrade it's > infrastructure. > Of course upgraded infrastructure will result in higher rates for consumers. > It has to, that money has to come from somewhere. > I'm a fan of electric cars, they're fun to drive. If you haven't driven one > you really should. Even the Nissan Leaf is pretty fun. I'm not a fan of the > hype (and frankly, lies from both sides) surrounding electric cars. > One last thought: Electric cars are good for those of us who are fans of ICE > vehicles, more gasoline/diesel fuel for us... > -Curt > >On Thursday, October 1, 2020, 2:06:54 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes > wrote: > > The inverter does not need to be in the car any more than the inverter > needs to be in the solar panel. Inverters are cheap. > > I am sure there are considerable technical hurdles to overcome with the > program, but none of them look insurmountable. Except perhaps the > regulatory environment. > > I think some of these new fast chargers are going to need batteries to be > able to provide the sort of current they require without overloading > transmission lines. > > Here you can still get some sort of federal and state rebates on a bolt and > you also save the 5k/yr in fuel, so dont forget to include that in the > calculation > > 99% of our driving is less than 50 miles. And it is warm here of course. > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 5:02 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> On 2020-09-30 19:50, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: >>> Anybody with a 50a 240v dryer outlet can charge an electric car. >>> >>> If solar panels can run hour meter backward, so can a battery. >> >> >> If you put an inverter in the car so it can generate 60hz AC. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
Get ready. Forbes: Tesla’s $25,000 Electric Car Means Game Over For Gas And Oil. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2020/09/26/teslas-25000-electric-car-means-game-over-for-gas-and-oil/ On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 5:18 PM Clay via Mercedes wrote: > Seattle and socialist Washington State just recently bumped up the > registration fee on EV and hybrids due to the lack of revenue from emission > testing and gas taxes. One favored solution is to tax per mile driven. I > can picture odometers being spun backward wholesale. Somebody will figure > out how to hack the computers to make that happen. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAmE9zNmThs > > The above lays out just how off base the ecological claims of electron > cars may be. An effective $35 savings that engenders $15k in public > subsidies to promote the narrative. I do not think the Golden State will > be handing out cash to purchasers of the battery cars. Time for the true > cost of purchase and ownership to no longer be subsidized by the public at > large. > > clay > > “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our > history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this > general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.” > > B. Johnson > 01/09/2020 > > > On Oct 1, 2020, at 9:57 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes writes: > > > >> Here you can still get some sort of federal and state rebates on a bolt > and > >> you also save the 5k/yr in fuel, so dont forget to include that in the > >> calculation > > > > Yes, but how much more do you pay in electricity, assuming you charge at > > home using utility power? I'm sure it's less than the cost of the > > gasoline but it's not zero. > > > > The state is also foregoing whatever taxes it would have collected on > > that gasoline, as well as assuming the costs of whatever credits and > > other goodies they are handing out. Yet the roads still need to be > > maintained. When and how does that lost revenue get made up? Indiana for > > example already charges a hefty registration fee for EVs to partly make > > up for the lost gasoline tax revenue, since it's not really practical to > > tax the electricity used for charging. > > > > Allan > > > clay > > “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our > history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this > general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.” > > B. Johnson > 01/09/2020 > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
Seattle and socialist Washington State just recently bumped up the registration fee on EV and hybrids due to the lack of revenue from emission testing and gas taxes. One favored solution is to tax per mile driven. I can picture odometers being spun backward wholesale. Somebody will figure out how to hack the computers to make that happen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAmE9zNmThs The above lays out just how off base the ecological claims of electron cars may be. An effective $35 savings that engenders $15k in public subsidies to promote the narrative. I do not think the Golden State will be handing out cash to purchasers of the battery cars. Time for the true cost of purchase and ownership to no longer be subsidized by the public at large. clay “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.” B. Johnson 01/09/2020 > On Oct 1, 2020, at 9:57 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes writes: > >> Here you can still get some sort of federal and state rebates on a bolt and >> you also save the 5k/yr in fuel, so dont forget to include that in the >> calculation > > Yes, but how much more do you pay in electricity, assuming you charge at > home using utility power? I'm sure it's less than the cost of the > gasoline but it's not zero. > > The state is also foregoing whatever taxes it would have collected on > that gasoline, as well as assuming the costs of whatever credits and > other goodies they are handing out. Yet the roads still need to be > maintained. When and how does that lost revenue get made up? Indiana for > example already charges a hefty registration fee for EVs to partly make > up for the lost gasoline tax revenue, since it's not really practical to > tax the electricity used for charging. > > Allan clay “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.” B. Johnson 01/09/2020 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hoovie's old Benzes
The only Benz I bought with records were from the early 1970’s. W115 had sparse file but lots of support manuals and receipts of recent work. The R107 had all records from second owner (1987 on). The rest were devoid or paperwork. clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 2014 ‘yota Highlander - Haggis retired models- 1986 SDL - Polei 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap 1982 SD - Allen 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers > On Oct 1, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > You really don't know this group do you? > How many cars do you think have been purchased by folks on this forum in the > past 10 years that had any significant history of service? > Most of what these folks appear to be looking for is a cheap car that might > be repairable. > > RB > > On 01/10/2020 11:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: >> Never buy a Mercedes that has no service history. >> >> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 10:22 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> Bought some overpriced POSs sight unseen >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqJVIin8kN4 >>> >>> -- >>> --FT >>> >>> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A new job for Bob ...
Coleman brand mantles haven't been thoriated since the '90s I think. The Peerless mantles I use all have thorium although I guess they changed their formula in the last year or two. I bought a bunch a few years ago and go through them fairly slowly. Off brand are a mixed bag, you can tell when they've got thorium though by the bright white light. -Curt On Thursday, October 1, 2020, 5:12:57 PM EDT, Craig wrote: On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 20:55:26 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > And will the use of Thorium in reactors cause the cost of thoriated > lantern mantles to go up? Are they even available now? I recall hearing comments about the new mantles being less bright because they did not have thorium. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A new job for Bob ...
>But, does it use thorium??? >From what I can glean from the article, sadly no. A couple more articles. https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Energy/Mini-nuclear-reactors-with-key-South-Korean-parts-cleared-by-US https://www.energy.gov/ne/nuclear-reactor-technologies/small-modular-nuclear-reactors https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottcarpenter/2020/08/31/bill-gates-nuclear-firm-says-new-reactor-can-backstop-grid-with-molten-salt-storage/ None of the articles indicate anything about thorium for fuel. Pity. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: A new job for Bob ...Now Fusion
The high temperature superconductivity is the key to the smaller reactor, which kind of obsoletes the ITER technology. Perhaps the time projections are approaching reality as we overcome technological obstacles. It would be nice :-) -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2020 3:05 PM To: Craig via Mercedes Cc: Allan Streib Subject: Re: [MBZ] A new job for Bob ... Fusion is coming in the next decade (as it has been since 1955) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sJ4iCVCgA8 Craig via Mercedes writes: > On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 20:55:26 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > >> And will the use of Thorium in reactors cause the cost of thoriated >> lantern mantles to go up? > > Are they even available now? I recall hearing comments about the new > mantles being less bright because they did not have thorium. > > > Craig > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A new job for Bob ...
Fusion is coming in the next decade (as it has been since 1955) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sJ4iCVCgA8 Craig via Mercedes writes: > On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 20:55:26 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > >> And will the use of Thorium in reactors cause the cost of thoriated >> lantern mantles to go up? > > Are they even available now? I recall hearing comments about the new > mantles being less bright because they did not have thorium. > > > Craig > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
But, as they say in the investment world, past performance is not a prediction of future performance. Myself, I'd never dream of paying 89% of new for a used EV, especially one that's still on the market. Mitch. On 2020-10-01 17:27, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: And then there is this to consider: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a33935142/tesla-model-3-depreciate-electric-car/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
And then there is this to consider: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a33935142/tesla-model-3-depreciate-electric-car/ On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 2:05 PM Karl Wittnebel wrote: > And more directly here: > > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1HqBIOtNsYPalG51nAw_nubgskv4TQPGx8WhPZO4a_U8/htmlview > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 2:04 PM Karl Wittnebel wrote: > >> Oh the maintenance stuff for the S can be found in this Video, if I >> recall correctly: >> >> https://youtu.be/rhbD44jXffY >> >> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 1:58 PM Karl Wittnebel >> wrote: >> >>> Teslas dont use brakes. They have progressive motor braking that you can >>> adjust. So as you lift off the accelerator, the car slows down immediately. >>> No brake pedal required unless you want to stop from walking speed. The >>> dealer here said they have cars with over 300k miles on the original brake >>> pads. >>> >>> Basically at 0.13 per kwh you pay something like 3.6 cents a mile in >>> fuel to drive a Model 3 assuming 85% charging efficiency. Gas cars are >>> something like 15 cents a mile. So it is 75-80% less fuel cost. I think I >>> figured it out for us and it was like 3500/yr several years ago across two >>> cars. But that was with $4+ fuel. We don't put many miles on, though, so I >>> imagine that was conservative. Anyway the average family could easily >>> save some thousands of dollars per year on fuel driving electric rather >>> than gas cars. >>> >>> The tax thing is not my problem. I am going to use the law to my >>> advantage, just like the economists expect me to. >>> >>> Yes it only makes sense to compare new cars to new cars. After 20 years >>> my old diesel doesnt owe me anything, either. The insurance is expensive no >>> matter what I seem to drive. I like old cars. I think people will always be >>> able to license a historic vehicle no matter what motor is in it, even >>> here. I have no real interest in a new gas car, so they can ban them all >>> they want. >>> >>> Harry had Johnny Cash's old Rolls in his shop a couple weeks back for a >>> new interior. Nice old car, initials on the rear door. "Look under the >>> hood" Harry says. Come to find out it has a 400hp electric powertrain in >>> it. Up from something like 170 new. Wave of the future. Cool restomod stuff. >>> >>> In diesel news, I found a 2.65 diff out of a 77 450 SLC to put in the >>> 123 Frankenwagon, which is what that motor had in the 2006 car. So we will >>> see how it bolts up and drives. I don't mind having a low first gear, but >>> currently it is so low it seems like a waste. I guess I am slowly being >>> lured down the path of fixing it up. Probably going to get totalled out >>> though I imagine. Waiting for the body shop. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 12:59 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> My annual fuel costs for a household with two drivers is only about $1000 to $1500. Either the price of California fuel is 5x the price here in SC, or Karl drives far more than I. Under the Wuhan Red Death shutdown, we're probably only spending $500 a year or less. Max Dillon Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
And more directly here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1HqBIOtNsYPalG51nAw_nubgskv4TQPGx8WhPZO4a_U8/htmlview On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 2:04 PM Karl Wittnebel wrote: > Oh the maintenance stuff for the S can be found in this Video, if I recall > correctly: > > https://youtu.be/rhbD44jXffY > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 1:58 PM Karl Wittnebel wrote: > >> Teslas dont use brakes. They have progressive motor braking that you can >> adjust. So as you lift off the accelerator, the car slows down immediately. >> No brake pedal required unless you want to stop from walking speed. The >> dealer here said they have cars with over 300k miles on the original brake >> pads. >> >> Basically at 0.13 per kwh you pay something like 3.6 cents a mile in fuel >> to drive a Model 3 assuming 85% charging efficiency. Gas cars are something >> like 15 cents a mile. So it is 75-80% less fuel cost. I think I figured it >> out for us and it was like 3500/yr several years ago across two cars. But >> that was with $4+ fuel. We don't put many miles on, though, so I imagine >> that was conservative. Anyway the average family could easily save some >> thousands of dollars per year on fuel driving electric rather than gas >> cars. >> >> The tax thing is not my problem. I am going to use the law to my >> advantage, just like the economists expect me to. >> >> Yes it only makes sense to compare new cars to new cars. After 20 years >> my old diesel doesnt owe me anything, either. The insurance is expensive no >> matter what I seem to drive. I like old cars. I think people will always be >> able to license a historic vehicle no matter what motor is in it, even >> here. I have no real interest in a new gas car, so they can ban them all >> they want. >> >> Harry had Johnny Cash's old Rolls in his shop a couple weeks back for a >> new interior. Nice old car, initials on the rear door. "Look under the >> hood" Harry says. Come to find out it has a 400hp electric powertrain in >> it. Up from something like 170 new. Wave of the future. Cool restomod stuff. >> >> In diesel news, I found a 2.65 diff out of a 77 450 SLC to put in the 123 >> Frankenwagon, which is what that motor had in the 2006 car. So we will see >> how it bolts up and drives. I don't mind having a low first gear, but >> currently it is so low it seems like a waste. I guess I am slowly being >> lured down the path of fixing it up. Probably going to get totalled out >> though I imagine. Waiting for the body shop. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 12:59 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> My annual fuel costs for a household with two drivers is only about >>> $1000 to $1500. Either the price of California fuel is 5x the price here >>> in SC, or Karl drives far more than I. Under the Wuhan Red Death shutdown, >>> we're probably only spending $500 a year or less. >>> Max Dillon >>> Charleston SC >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
Oh the maintenance stuff for the S can be found in this Video, if I recall correctly: https://youtu.be/rhbD44jXffY On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 1:58 PM Karl Wittnebel wrote: > Teslas dont use brakes. They have progressive motor braking that you can > adjust. So as you lift off the accelerator, the car slows down immediately. > No brake pedal required unless you want to stop from walking speed. The > dealer here said they have cars with over 300k miles on the original brake > pads. > > Basically at 0.13 per kwh you pay something like 3.6 cents a mile in fuel > to drive a Model 3 assuming 85% charging efficiency. Gas cars are something > like 15 cents a mile. So it is 75-80% less fuel cost. I think I figured it > out for us and it was like 3500/yr several years ago across two cars. But > that was with $4+ fuel. We don't put many miles on, though, so I imagine > that was conservative. Anyway the average family could easily save some > thousands of dollars per year on fuel driving electric rather than gas > cars. > > The tax thing is not my problem. I am going to use the law to my > advantage, just like the economists expect me to. > > Yes it only makes sense to compare new cars to new cars. After 20 years my > old diesel doesnt owe me anything, either. The insurance is expensive no > matter what I seem to drive. I like old cars. I think people will always be > able to license a historic vehicle no matter what motor is in it, even > here. I have no real interest in a new gas car, so they can ban them all > they want. > > Harry had Johnny Cash's old Rolls in his shop a couple weeks back for a > new interior. Nice old car, initials on the rear door. "Look under the > hood" Harry says. Come to find out it has a 400hp electric powertrain in > it. Up from something like 170 new. Wave of the future. Cool restomod stuff. > > In diesel news, I found a 2.65 diff out of a 77 450 SLC to put in the 123 > Frankenwagon, which is what that motor had in the 2006 car. So we will see > how it bolts up and drives. I don't mind having a low first gear, but > currently it is so low it seems like a waste. I guess I am slowly being > lured down the path of fixing it up. Probably going to get totalled out > though I imagine. Waiting for the body shop. > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 12:59 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> My annual fuel costs for a household with two drivers is only about $1000 >> to $1500. Either the price of California fuel is 5x the price here in SC, >> or Karl drives far more than I. Under the Wuhan Red Death shutdown, we're >> probably only spending $500 a year or less. >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A new job for Bob ...
On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 20:55:26 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > And will the use of Thorium in reactors cause the cost of thoriated > lantern mantles to go up? Are they even available now? I recall hearing comments about the new mantles being less bright because they did not have thorium. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
Teslas dont use brakes. They have progressive motor braking that you can adjust. So as you lift off the accelerator, the car slows down immediately. No brake pedal required unless you want to stop from walking speed. The dealer here said they have cars with over 300k miles on the original brake pads. Basically at 0.13 per kwh you pay something like 3.6 cents a mile in fuel to drive a Model 3 assuming 85% charging efficiency. Gas cars are something like 15 cents a mile. So it is 75-80% less fuel cost. I think I figured it out for us and it was like 3500/yr several years ago across two cars. But that was with $4+ fuel. We don't put many miles on, though, so I imagine that was conservative. Anyway the average family could easily save some thousands of dollars per year on fuel driving electric rather than gas cars. The tax thing is not my problem. I am going to use the law to my advantage, just like the economists expect me to. Yes it only makes sense to compare new cars to new cars. After 20 years my old diesel doesnt owe me anything, either. The insurance is expensive no matter what I seem to drive. I like old cars. I think people will always be able to license a historic vehicle no matter what motor is in it, even here. I have no real interest in a new gas car, so they can ban them all they want. Harry had Johnny Cash's old Rolls in his shop a couple weeks back for a new interior. Nice old car, initials on the rear door. "Look under the hood" Harry says. Come to find out it has a 400hp electric powertrain in it. Up from something like 170 new. Wave of the future. Cool restomod stuff. In diesel news, I found a 2.65 diff out of a 77 450 SLC to put in the 123 Frankenwagon, which is what that motor had in the 2006 car. So we will see how it bolts up and drives. I don't mind having a low first gear, but currently it is so low it seems like a waste. I guess I am slowly being lured down the path of fixing it up. Probably going to get totalled out though I imagine. Waiting for the body shop. On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 12:59 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > My annual fuel costs for a household with two drivers is only about $1000 > to $1500. Either the price of California fuel is 5x the price here in SC, > or Karl drives far more than I. Under the Wuhan Red Death shutdown, we're > probably only spending $500 a year or less. > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A new job for Bob ...
And will the use of Thorium in reactors cause the cost of thoriated lantern mantles to go up? Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 4:40 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: But, does it use thorium??? On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 3:37 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Quite fancy. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 1, 2020, at 8:20 AM, Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > > https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/south-korean-made-mini-nuclear-reactors-wont-melt-down-approved-us > > > > > > South Korean-Built Mini Nuclear Reactors That "Won't Melt Down" Approved > > For US Profile picture for user Tyler Durden > > by Tyler Durden > > Tue, 09/29/2020 - 22:45 > > > > Apparently it's not over for South Korea's commercial nuclear development > > industry after in 2017 President Moon Jae-in initiated his plan to phase > > out nuclear power and halt all reactor construction projects in the > > country. > > > > Now for the first time South Korean-built key nuclear components will be > > used in the United States as part of efforts to introduced further > > safeguards at US facilities. The cutting edge new 'miniature' design was > > previously described in Forbes as a reactor that "doesn’t need the > > complex back-up power systems that traditional reactors require" and > > which "won’t melt down or otherwise cause any of the nightmares people > > think about when imagining the worse for nuclear power." > > > > Nikkei Asian Review reports this week that "Miniature nuclear reactors > > that use key components from South Korea's Doosan Heavy Industries & > > Construction have won first-of-its-kind certification for use in the > U.S." > > > > (Continued on the website) > > > > > > Craig > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 2000 Mercedes ML320 AWD, 167K mile - $2,999
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Re: [MBZ] A new job for Bob ...
But, does it use thorium??? On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 3:37 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Quite fancy. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 1, 2020, at 8:20 AM, Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > > https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/south-korean-made-mini-nuclear-reactors-wont-melt-down-approved-us > > > > > > South Korean-Built Mini Nuclear Reactors That "Won't Melt Down" Approved > > For US Profile picture for user Tyler Durden > > by Tyler Durden > > Tue, 09/29/2020 - 22:45 > > > > Apparently it's not over for South Korea's commercial nuclear development > > industry after in 2017 President Moon Jae-in initiated his plan to phase > > out nuclear power and halt all reactor construction projects in the > > country. > > > > Now for the first time South Korean-built key nuclear components will be > > used in the United States as part of efforts to introduced further > > safeguards at US facilities. The cutting edge new 'miniature' design was > > previously described in Forbes as a reactor that "doesn’t need the > > complex back-up power systems that traditional reactors require" and > > which "won’t melt down or otherwise cause any of the nightmares people > > think about when imagining the worse for nuclear power." > > > > Nikkei Asian Review reports this week that "Miniature nuclear reactors > > that use key components from South Korea's Doosan Heavy Industries & > > Construction have won first-of-its-kind certification for use in the > U.S." > > > > (Continued on the website) > > > > > > Craig > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
I was thinking of more AV gas On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 1:04 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > One last thought: Electric cars are good for those of us who are > fans of ICE vehicles, more gasoline/diesel fuel for us... > -Curt > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A new job for Bob ...
Quite fancy. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 1, 2020, at 8:20 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/south-korean-made-mini-nuclear-reactors-wont-melt-down-approved-us > > > South Korean-Built Mini Nuclear Reactors That "Won't Melt Down" Approved > For US Profile picture for user Tyler Durden > by Tyler Durden > Tue, 09/29/2020 - 22:45 > > Apparently it's not over for South Korea's commercial nuclear development > industry after in 2017 President Moon Jae-in initiated his plan to phase > out nuclear power and halt all reactor construction projects in the > country. > > Now for the first time South Korean-built key nuclear components will be > used in the United States as part of efforts to introduced further > safeguards at US facilities. The cutting edge new 'miniature' design was > previously described in Forbes as a reactor that "doesn’t need the > complex back-up power systems that traditional reactors require" and > which "won’t melt down or otherwise cause any of the nightmares people > think about when imagining the worse for nuclear power." > > Nikkei Asian Review reports this week that "Miniature nuclear reactors > that use key components from South Korea's Doosan Heavy Industries & > Construction have won first-of-its-kind certification for use in the U.S." > > (Continued on the website) > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
You can be sure that some of the magic smoke in the controllers, actuators, and computers will escape, thus requiring replacement at what I'd assume will be a rather high cost, like an AUM or two or three. (AUM = aviation unit of money = $1,000) On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 1:06 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > "No maintenance" is some of the hype I mentioned in my last message. > There are still brakes, they last longer than an ICE car but they will > still need replacement. Tires too. In a Tesla Model S I could see me > needing tires more often, with that much power on tap it would be hard to > stay out of the fun pedal. > Then there's all the passenger comfort stuff to break, little motors and > sensors etc. An old Tesla is going to be a nightmare to maintain when those > bits age. > -Curt > > On Thursday, October 1, 2020, 2:09:15 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via > Mercedes wrote: > > They love their Bolts. They are on their second set of Bolts I think. Pay > the 250/mo lease and turn it in for a new one in a few years. No > maintenance and no fuel. Hard to get much cheaper driving than that in a > new vehicle. > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 5:35 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes writes: > > > > > Chevy Bolt is not an uncommon sight here. My neighbor is an EE from > > > Stanford. He just sold his 67 427 Vette. They drive two Bolts now. > > > > I've actually been considering a Bolt. Though $30K would be well over > > the "insane" line for me for what I would want to pay for a car, > > nevertheless I've thought about it and tried to consider TCO, etc. > > > > I'm not crazy about the styling, but could live with it. > > > > Range is still a concern for me. The rated range of a Bolt is something > > I would consider adequate for most of my needs. But in the wintertime, > > you're lucky to get half that according to reviews I've read. And that's > > not good enough for the price they're asking. > > > > I'm also concerned about battery longevity. How much range do you lose > > after 5 years? 10? Very little real-world data yet. > > > > Allan > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
My annual fuel costs for a household with two drivers is only about $1000 to $1500. Either the price of California fuel is 5x the price here in SC, or Karl drives far more than I. Under the Wuhan Red Death shutdown, we're probably only spending $500 a year or less. Max Dillon Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Repower kit for Wilton's scooter
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Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
> Karl may be able to give more accurate figures, but assuming 0.30/kWh Here in the wilds of Washington I believe it's still $0.055/kWH, thank you BPA. I'm sure that'll change soon, if it hasn't already, and the whole fees/taxes/plates thing will be along soon, if it isn't already. What was that about Death, and Taxes? WA is one of the few States where an EV driver really CAN be smug about his impact on air quality. (Hydro, nuke, solar, and wind together supply the bulk of our electrical energy.) Of course, it'll only take ONE surprise EV fire that starts a forest fire in order to wipe out all its air quality savings, for all time. And that of every other like model made, in all likelihood. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes writes: > They love their Bolts. They are on their second set of Bolts I think. Pay > the 250/mo lease and turn it in for a new one in a few years. No > maintenance and no fuel. Hard to get much cheaper driving than that in a > new vehicle. So charging them is free somehow? Back of the envelope math, if I leased two Bolts that's $6,000 year, every year. Add to that the higher cost of registration and insurance on a new car, and the need to rent a conventional car anytime I need to go anywhere beyond the battery range. Compare to the older cars I normally buy, which would set me back maybe $8,000, once, and I can get some amount of that back when I sell them. They are cheap to register, cheap to insure. So after roughly a year, it seems to me that I'm money ahead not having lease payments. I don't spend anywhere close to $500/month in gasoline. Even including regular maintenance I don't spend that. What am I overlooking? Driving a "new car" doesn't provide any value for me, by itself. It's not a clear win to me, though it's subjective to some extent. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
A Cruze is a much bigger/more useful car than a Spark. An extra $0.02/mi is almost certainly worth it... -Curt On Thursday, October 1, 2020, 2:09:37 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: On 2020-10-01 13:57, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes writes: > >> Here you can still get some sort of federal and state rebates on a >> bolt and >> you also save the 5k/yr in fuel, so dont forget to include that in the >> calculation > > Yes, but how much more do you pay in electricity, assuming you charge > at > home using utility power? I'm sure it's less than the cost of the > gasoline but it's not zero. Karl may be able to give more accurate figures, but assuming 0.30/kWh inclusive of fees and taxes, at 4 miles per kWh we're looking at 7.5 cents per mile. (I'm sitting about 0.15/kWh, I know Karl's is higher but I don't know if it's double) If your Equinox gets 25mpg and California gas costs $3, you're looking at 12 cents per mile. So you're saving, but I strongly doubt it's $5k/year. For me, the numbers are more like 3 cents per mile for a Spark EV (5mpkWh@0.15) vs 5 cents for a Cruze (40mpg@$2/gallon). Until the Cruze cracked a piston, it was easier to just get a Cruze and not worry about replacing a battery in 6-10 years. The 'fuel savings' would be wiped out by the higher plate costs ($29k car vs $21k car, plus the added $90/yr EV tax that got added to our plates 3 years ago). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
On 2020-10-01 14:06, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: "No maintenance" is some of the hype I mentioned in my last message. There are still brakes, they last longer than an ICE car but they will still need replacement. Tires too. Karl's neighbor leases, ignores maintenance (easily done for 2-3 years), and probably has to pay for tires at lease turn-in. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
On 2020-10-01 13:57, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes writes: Here you can still get some sort of federal and state rebates on a bolt and you also save the 5k/yr in fuel, so dont forget to include that in the calculation Yes, but how much more do you pay in electricity, assuming you charge at home using utility power? I'm sure it's less than the cost of the gasoline but it's not zero. Karl may be able to give more accurate figures, but assuming 0.30/kWh inclusive of fees and taxes, at 4 miles per kWh we're looking at 7.5 cents per mile. (I'm sitting about 0.15/kWh, I know Karl's is higher but I don't know if it's double) If your Equinox gets 25mpg and California gas costs $3, you're looking at 12 cents per mile. So you're saving, but I strongly doubt it's $5k/year. For me, the numbers are more like 3 cents per mile for a Spark EV (5mpkWh@0.15) vs 5 cents for a Cruze (40mpg@$2/gallon). Until the Cruze cracked a piston, it was easier to just get a Cruze and not worry about replacing a battery in 6-10 years. The 'fuel savings' would be wiped out by the higher plate costs ($29k car vs $21k car, plus the added $90/yr EV tax that got added to our plates 3 years ago). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
"No maintenance" is some of the hype I mentioned in my last message. There are still brakes, they last longer than an ICE car but they will still need replacement. Tires too. In a Tesla Model S I could see me needing tires more often, with that much power on tap it would be hard to stay out of the fun pedal. Then there's all the passenger comfort stuff to break, little motors and sensors etc. An old Tesla is going to be a nightmare to maintain when those bits age. -Curt On Thursday, October 1, 2020, 2:09:15 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: They love their Bolts. They are on their second set of Bolts I think. Pay the 250/mo lease and turn it in for a new one in a few years. No maintenance and no fuel. Hard to get much cheaper driving than that in a new vehicle. On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 5:35 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes writes: > > > Chevy Bolt is not an uncommon sight here. My neighbor is an EE from > > Stanford. He just sold his 67 427 Vette. They drive two Bolts now. > > I've actually been considering a Bolt. Though $30K would be well over > the "insane" line for me for what I would want to pay for a car, > nevertheless I've thought about it and tried to consider TCO, etc. > > I'm not crazy about the styling, but could live with it. > > Range is still a concern for me. The rated range of a Bolt is something > I would consider adequate for most of my needs. But in the wintertime, > you're lucky to get half that according to reviews I've read. And that's > not good enough for the price they're asking. > > I'm also concerned about battery longevity. How much range do you lose > after 5 years? 10? Very little real-world data yet. > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
Something I just thought of: LiON batteries have a limited number of charge/discharge cycles. I wonder if using them as surge power for the grid would limit the lifespan.Presumably not draining them significantly would minimize the problem but I certainly wouldn't be down for having my car's battery life limited because PG&E can't be bothered to upgrade it's infrastructure. Of course upgraded infrastructure will result in higher rates for consumers. It has to, that money has to come from somewhere. I'm a fan of electric cars, they're fun to drive. If you haven't driven one you really should. Even the Nissan Leaf is pretty fun. I'm not a fan of the hype (and frankly, lies from both sides) surrounding electric cars. One last thought: Electric cars are good for those of us who are fans of ICE vehicles, more gasoline/diesel fuel for us... -Curt On Thursday, October 1, 2020, 2:06:54 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: The inverter does not need to be in the car any more than the inverter needs to be in the solar panel. Inverters are cheap. I am sure there are considerable technical hurdles to overcome with the program, but none of them look insurmountable. Except perhaps the regulatory environment. I think some of these new fast chargers are going to need batteries to be able to provide the sort of current they require without overloading transmission lines. Here you can still get some sort of federal and state rebates on a bolt and you also save the 5k/yr in fuel, so dont forget to include that in the calculation 99% of our driving is less than 50 miles. And it is warm here of course. On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 5:02 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > On 2020-09-30 19:50, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: > > Anybody with a 50a 240v dryer outlet can charge an electric car. > > > > If solar panels can run hour meter backward, so can a battery. > > > If you put an inverter in the car so it can generate 60hz AC. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes writes: > Here you can still get some sort of federal and state rebates on a bolt and > you also save the 5k/yr in fuel, so dont forget to include that in the > calculation Yes, but how much more do you pay in electricity, assuming you charge at home using utility power? I'm sure it's less than the cost of the gasoline but it's not zero. The state is also foregoing whatever taxes it would have collected on that gasoline, as well as assuming the costs of whatever credits and other goodies they are handing out. Yet the roads still need to be maintained. When and how does that lost revenue get made up? Indiana for example already charges a hefty registration fee for EVs to partly make up for the lost gasoline tax revenue, since it's not really practical to tax the electricity used for charging. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Hoovie's old Benzes
My ML had lots of service records from dealers listed in the carfax Kaleb sent me. That was a big help to pull the trigger. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2020 9:56 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hoovie's old Benzes And the dealer-serviced, high mileage 2014 GLK 250 for which I paid $1500 less than comparable examples. On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 12:51 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Good example is the E320 CDI I sold Kaleb. Dealer maintained from 0 to > 317k, I got it with 327k. > > -D > > > On Oct 1, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > With a little effort you can find an old Benz that does have service > > records which coupled with high mileage, could be a bargain. > > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 12:30 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> You really don't know this group do you? > >> How many cars do you think have been purchased by folks on this forum in > >> the past 10 years that had any significant history of service? > >> Most of what these folks appear to be looking for is a cheap car that > >> might be repairable. > >> > >> RB > >> > >> On 01/10/2020 11:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > >>> Never buy a Mercedes that has no service history. > >>> > >>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 10:22 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > Bought some overpriced POSs sight unseen > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqJVIin8kN4 > > -- > --FT > > > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hoovie's old Benzes
And the dealer-serviced, high mileage 2014 GLK 250 for which I paid $1500 less than comparable examples. On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 12:51 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Good example is the E320 CDI I sold Kaleb. Dealer maintained from 0 to > 317k, I got it with 327k. > > -D > > > On Oct 1, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > With a little effort you can find an old Benz that does have service > > records which coupled with high mileage, could be a bargain. > > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 12:30 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> You really don't know this group do you? > >> How many cars do you think have been purchased by folks on this forum in > >> the past 10 years that had any significant history of service? > >> Most of what these folks appear to be looking for is a cheap car that > >> might be repairable. > >> > >> RB > >> > >> On 01/10/2020 11:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > >>> Never buy a Mercedes that has no service history. > >>> > >>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 10:22 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > Bought some overpriced POSs sight unseen > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqJVIin8kN4 > > -- > --FT > > > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hoovie's old Benzes
Good example is the E320 CDI I sold Kaleb. Dealer maintained from 0 to 317k, I got it with 327k. -D > On Oct 1, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > With a little effort you can find an old Benz that does have service > records which coupled with high mileage, could be a bargain. > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 12:30 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> You really don't know this group do you? >> How many cars do you think have been purchased by folks on this forum in >> the past 10 years that had any significant history of service? >> Most of what these folks appear to be looking for is a cheap car that >> might be repairable. >> >> RB >> >> On 01/10/2020 11:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: >>> Never buy a Mercedes that has no service history. >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 10:22 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> Bought some overpriced POSs sight unseen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqJVIin8kN4 -- --FT >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hoovie's old Benzes
With a little effort you can find an old Benz that does have service records which coupled with high mileage, could be a bargain. On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 12:30 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > You really don't know this group do you? > How many cars do you think have been purchased by folks on this forum in > the past 10 years that had any significant history of service? > Most of what these folks appear to be looking for is a cheap car that > might be repairable. > > RB > > On 01/10/2020 11:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > Never buy a Mercedes that has no service history. > > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 10:22 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> Bought some overpriced POSs sight unseen > >> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqJVIin8kN4 > >> > >> -- > >> --FT > >> > >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hoovie's old Benzes
You really don't know this group do you? How many cars do you think have been purchased by folks on this forum in the past 10 years that had any significant history of service? Most of what these folks appear to be looking for is a cheap car that might be repairable. RB On 01/10/2020 11:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Never buy a Mercedes that has no service history. On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 10:22 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Bought some overpriced POSs sight unseen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqJVIin8kN4 -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hoovie's old Benzes
Never buy a Mercedes that has no service history. On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 10:22 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Bought some overpriced POSs sight unseen > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqJVIin8kN4 > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] A new job for Bob ...
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/south-korean-made-mini-nuclear-reactors-wont-melt-down-approved-us South Korean-Built Mini Nuclear Reactors That "Won't Melt Down" Approved For US Profile picture for user Tyler Durden by Tyler Durden Tue, 09/29/2020 - 22:45 Apparently it's not over for South Korea's commercial nuclear development industry after in 2017 President Moon Jae-in initiated his plan to phase out nuclear power and halt all reactor construction projects in the country. Now for the first time South Korean-built key nuclear components will be used in the United States as part of efforts to introduced further safeguards at US facilities. The cutting edge new 'miniature' design was previously described in Forbes as a reactor that "doesn’t need the complex back-up power systems that traditional reactors require" and which "won’t melt down or otherwise cause any of the nightmares people think about when imagining the worse for nuclear power." Nikkei Asian Review reports this week that "Miniature nuclear reactors that use key components from South Korea's Doosan Heavy Industries & Construction have won first-of-its-kind certification for use in the U.S." (Continued on the website) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Hoovie's old Benzes
Bought some overpriced POSs sight unseen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqJVIin8kN4 -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes 300SDL Turbo Diesel $750 (Calabash, NC)
You need to contact him, I am probably on his do not call list now --FT On 10/1/20 8:43 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: This car might be a good deal, would be a nice road trip, hmmm... Max Dillon Charleston SC Sep 30, 2020 3:23:24 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes : Nobody bought the car (because I won't let anybody look at it). Therefore I should lower the price (and continue to not let anybody look at it?). Contact him again. You live 4 miles away from him, but you're at work now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes 300SDL Turbo Diesel $750 (Calabash, NC)
This car might be a good deal, would be a nice road trip, hmmm... Max Dillon Charleston SC Sep 30, 2020 3:23:24 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes : > Nobody bought the car (because I won't let anybody look at it). > Therefore I should lower the price (and continue to not let anybody look at > it?). > > Contact him again. You live 4 miles away from him, but you're at work now. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] runs and drives but the transmission stuck in first gear
Well, I did --FT Sent from iPhone > On Oct 1, 2020, at 4:24 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > On 2020-09-30 23:00, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: >> Transmission Control Module. Electronic nanny under the dash below the >> steering wheel. Not supposed to have tranny fluid in it! > > But have you checked to see if there is tranny fluid in it? > MBZ tranny wiring is great at wicking thin oil when the connector doesn't > keep it in the tranny. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] runs and drives but the transmission stuck in first gear
On 2020-09-30 23:00, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: Transmission Control Module. Electronic nanny under the dash below the steering wheel. Not supposed to have tranny fluid in it! But have you checked to see if there is tranny fluid in it? MBZ tranny wiring is great at wicking thin oil when the connector doesn't keep it in the tranny. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
On 2020-10-01 02:05, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: The inverter does not need to be in the car any more than the inverter needs to be in the solar panel. Inverters are cheap. So we're back to what I suggested originally, using the high voltage DC (level 3) port? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
