Re: [MBZ] Wheel paint code?
On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 18:37:09 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > This guy has lots and lots of info posted. > http://oudemercedesbrochures.nl/index.html http://oudemercedesbrochures.nl/W124_Zeichnungen_1084.html is quite enlightening (and has a column for English. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Student Pilot EM Landing
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/student-pilot-loses-engine-during-flight-video-inside-cockpit/ Interesting videos. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1993 500SL - 101k miles - $6,500
Pre-facelift R129s are a bag of hurt, guaranteed. -D > On Jul 23, 2021, at 8:49 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Replaced self-destructing wiring. Needs plastic windows and AC work, maybe > tires. > > https://terrehaute.craigslist.org/cto/d/terre-haute-1993-mercedes-500sl/7355201572.html > > Allan > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1993 500SL - 101k miles - $6,500
Replaced self-destructing wiring. Needs plastic windows and AC work, maybe tires. https://terrehaute.craigslist.org/cto/d/terre-haute-1993-mercedes-500sl/7355201572.html Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Holy crack
Complimented By Turbo Compressor Sent from my iPad > On Jul 23, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > 1991 Mercedes Benz 350sdl Turbo Diesel Classic Car > > https://austin.craigslist.org/cto/d/1991-mercedes-benz-350sdl-turbo-diesel/7355206837.html > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB to go all electric by 2030?
Speaking of solar power and vehicles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dqTwUuKEM On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 8:30 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The Pebble Mine was shot down by the Bristol Bay fishermen and their > allies. > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:05 PM Clay via Mercedes > wrote: > > > GWN is a perfect example of the intractable situation EVs face. Only in > > the past 18 months has there been a connected “grid” for electricity. > Oh, > > there were six or seven individual providers who had an overly complex > > interchange/pancaked rates exchange that could have seen an electron > moved > > from one end of the grid to the other, but the thing would have cost > > thousands of % more by the time it got there. Now, it is all “one” from > > Seward to Fairbanks, at a reasonable fee. > > > > Nothing else is connected to anything at all. Micro generation for each > > village or outpost at a cost of dollars per kilowatt hour. Not that > there > > are roads between these remote places, so no need for EV anyway. > Sometime > > in the next few months, maybe by Spring 2022, a person could EV from > > Fairbanks south and have charge points so you actually arrive. Battery > > life at -30C is not going to be good. > > > > Then, there is all the magic minerals to make an EV function. There are > > at least 19 rare earth minerals in mineable quantities. All have been > > mined and processed before. Most recently WWII based on recent articles. > > A massive graphite mine is attempting to get approved. It makes the > > magical blend that is perfect for Elon’s battery packs. And let us not > > overlook the MASSIVE copper deposit that would supply US needs well into > > the 22nd century. But that is not to be, the enviro-weenies at Corps of > > Engineers yanked their approval after a call by the current resident. > > > > If you expect to own an EV, it will be made out of Chinese minerals and > > labor. > > > > Clay > > > > > > inter urinas et faeces nascimur > > > > > On Jul 22, 2021, at 7:55 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > I hate to rain on the EV parade, but, who is going to invest the > critical > > > and much needed $400 Trillion in building new electrical generation and > > > transmission lines to support all these new EV vehicles, in the next 9 > > > years? > > > Graphic example: California just ordered all EV vehicles NOT to charge, > > > because the power transmission lines were at peak load and could not > meet > > > the expected charging demands. > > > Record heat, record AC use, forest fires caused by overheated and > sagging > > > transmission lines... etc etc... repeat across Europe. > > > Presently, there is serious discussion about shutting down Hoover Dam > > > because of extreme drought. The water level in Lake Meade is lower than > > it > > > has been in 50 years. > > > Mining for EV battery materials and critical component materials is in > > > extreme short supply, for the projected future. > > > Large power plants historically take 20 or more years to build, Large > > > transformers have lead times measured in years. Transmission lines? Who > > > knows for sure, few have been built in the past 40 years. Steel for > > > towers... made in the steel mills in China... Wire for lines... ? Who > > mines > > > the raw materials and what is the real lead time to make thousands of > > miles > > > of new transmission lines? > > > Asking for a friend. > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Red death
Give it time, Curt. On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 10:59 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Again the vaccine is not a cure, it doesn't mean you can't be infected > although that would be the ideal. It means your body is more prepared to > fight an infection should one occur.The death rate staying very low while > infections rise seems to bear out that idea although as others have > mentioned many of the weakest have already been killed off. > I'm still interested to see the data in the future that might explain why > young, seemingly healthy, people seem to just up and die while older folks > with multiple co-morbidities sometimes manage to survive. My pet theory is > that over-cleanliness causes some (mostly younger) folks to not have as > highly developed immune systems. > I'm personally amazed that all the fools in the house across the street > from me have somehow managed to survive. No masks, big groups, booze, > drugs, etc. Grandma and grandpa recently retired, both are massively > overweight, breathing issues etc. By the normal assumptions for covid they > were goners. > -Curt > > On Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:10:05 PM EDT, Max Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Yeah, I heard something about most of those getting hit with the delta > variant were already jabbed, so the vax seems to be no good for it. Anyone > else hear that? At first I thought I heard wrong, was some radio show. > > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > > > Jul 22, 2021 4:18:31 PM OK Don via Mercedes : > > > Apparently the delta variant is killing a higher percentage of young > people > > now. > > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 11:40 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> Correct, if you believe in evolution, then it should be easy to > understand > >> that the virus will mutate (evolve) to become (a) more infectious and > (b) > >> less deadly. Killing the host is not a good way to spread, just want to > >> reproduce and spread. Survival of the fittest. The first wave of the > >> original virus has killed off the most vulnerable, that alone should > reduce > >> the deaths this time around. > >> > >> Max Dillon > >> Charleston SC > >> > >> > >> Jul 22, 2021 12:26:59 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com>: > >> > >>> It is impossible to contain a virus that has become endemic. The OC43 > >> coronavirus likely caused an epidemic in the mid 1800's. It is now a > common > >> cold. That's how coronavirus' work. If they killed their hosts, the > virus > >> would burn itself out (see "ebola"). They become easier to spread, but > less > >> lethal. This particular virus will mutate to become another cold virus. > >> Whether or not the media and the politicians will admit that is another > >> story. > >>> > >>> Secondary assignment. Look up ADE, and for bonus credit look up > Original > >> Antigenic Sin. > >>> > >>> > >>> Rick > >>> > >>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >>> Sent: July 22, 2021 11:07 AM > >>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >>> Cc: curtlud...@yahoo.com > >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Red death > >>> > >>> The 2+ week lag is always interesting. I also find it interesting that > >> they'll talk about the number of cases but "forget" to mention that the > >> death rate is way down... > >>> -Curt > >>> > >>> On Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:59:30 AM EDT, Randy Bennell via > >> Mercedes wrote: > >>> > >>> > >> > https://twitter.com/CDCgov/status/1417952565686382592?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet > >>> > >>> due to gatherings on the 4th of July likely - up 52.5% from the > previous > >>> week > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 21/07/2021 6:38 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > The media is getting the fear going again and j bet we are fixing to > be > >> locked down again. > > > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ok
Re: [MBZ] Holy crack
Tell him you assume there was a typo, and that you will bring along 29 C notes to consummate the transaction. On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 5:37 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > 1991 Mercedes Benz 350sdl Turbo Diesel Classic Car > > > https://austin.craigslist.org/cto/d/1991-mercedes-benz-350sdl-turbo-diesel/7355206837.html > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB to go all electric by 2030?
The Pebble Mine was shot down by the Bristol Bay fishermen and their allies. On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:05 PM Clay via Mercedes wrote: > GWN is a perfect example of the intractable situation EVs face. Only in > the past 18 months has there been a connected “grid” for electricity. Oh, > there were six or seven individual providers who had an overly complex > interchange/pancaked rates exchange that could have seen an electron moved > from one end of the grid to the other, but the thing would have cost > thousands of % more by the time it got there. Now, it is all “one” from > Seward to Fairbanks, at a reasonable fee. > > Nothing else is connected to anything at all. Micro generation for each > village or outpost at a cost of dollars per kilowatt hour. Not that there > are roads between these remote places, so no need for EV anyway. Sometime > in the next few months, maybe by Spring 2022, a person could EV from > Fairbanks south and have charge points so you actually arrive. Battery > life at -30C is not going to be good. > > Then, there is all the magic minerals to make an EV function. There are > at least 19 rare earth minerals in mineable quantities. All have been > mined and processed before. Most recently WWII based on recent articles. > A massive graphite mine is attempting to get approved. It makes the > magical blend that is perfect for Elon’s battery packs. And let us not > overlook the MASSIVE copper deposit that would supply US needs well into > the 22nd century. But that is not to be, the enviro-weenies at Corps of > Engineers yanked their approval after a call by the current resident. > > If you expect to own an EV, it will be made out of Chinese minerals and > labor. > > Clay > > > inter urinas et faeces nascimur > > > On Jul 22, 2021, at 7:55 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > I hate to rain on the EV parade, but, who is going to invest the critical > > and much needed $400 Trillion in building new electrical generation and > > transmission lines to support all these new EV vehicles, in the next 9 > > years? > > Graphic example: California just ordered all EV vehicles NOT to charge, > > because the power transmission lines were at peak load and could not meet > > the expected charging demands. > > Record heat, record AC use, forest fires caused by overheated and sagging > > transmission lines... etc etc... repeat across Europe. > > Presently, there is serious discussion about shutting down Hoover Dam > > because of extreme drought. The water level in Lake Meade is lower than > it > > has been in 50 years. > > Mining for EV battery materials and critical component materials is in > > extreme short supply, for the projected future. > > Large power plants historically take 20 or more years to build, Large > > transformers have lead times measured in years. Transmission lines? Who > > knows for sure, few have been built in the past 40 years. Steel for > > towers... made in the steel mills in China... Wire for lines... ? Who > mines > > the raw materials and what is the real lead time to make thousands of > miles > > of new transmission lines? > > Asking for a friend. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB to go all electric by 2030?
About two decades ago, feller up the street knocked down a small house and erected a mega green home. I think it is four stories, 3900 sqft, has rain capture cisterns, SIPs, eco-this and that. He tossed up PV and thermal panels on the roof. What he did not do was remove a 60 foot evergreen that shaded his roof. Last May I noted his roof is pine needles, moss and end of life PV panels. When I had spoken with him while he was having it built, I learned that all the PVs were wired in series and not parallel, which I gather limits generation to that of the weakest panel. Those homes with more recent PV installs did not have any obvious obscuring impediments to generation so the Tesla cars were being fully charged during the day. clay I have no pronouns please do not refer to me. > On Jul 23, 2021, at 8:15 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > I'm on a wooded lot. I'd have to cut a lot of trees to get full sun on the > roof for more than about 4 hours a day. Also the peak of my roof runs > north/south so panels on either half of the roof would only get light before > or after noon, respectively. > > I have a clear area where I could possibly site ground-level panels, but that > would preclude using it for anything else such as a garden. > > Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] WAS Re: Red death, NOW self terminations
Weekly news stories from all over are extolling the virtues of the current fiasco as increasing mortality linked to overdoses. Left coast had something like a 50% growth in recreational self terminations in that manner, with an even larger cohort exiting the stage in 2021 based on results/data over the past six months as reported to CDC. These are not breakthrough cases or related to injection reactions.. since those are not getting recorded, or maybe they are listed as OD instead. Clay inter urinas et faeces nascimur > On Jul 23, 2021, at 4:44 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > "Suicides outpaced COVID deaths 20-fold among those 18 and younger in 2020" > in California, which saw some of the harshest lockdowns. > > https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/kids-suicide-and-mental-health-hospitalizations-spiked-amid-covid > > Do we really want to go back and try to kill more kids? So happy I live in > a state / county that only let that nonsense go on for a few months. > > - > Max > Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB to go all electric by 2030?
GWN is a perfect example of the intractable situation EVs face. Only in the past 18 months has there been a connected “grid” for electricity. Oh, there were six or seven individual providers who had an overly complex interchange/pancaked rates exchange that could have seen an electron moved from one end of the grid to the other, but the thing would have cost thousands of % more by the time it got there. Now, it is all “one” from Seward to Fairbanks, at a reasonable fee. Nothing else is connected to anything at all. Micro generation for each village or outpost at a cost of dollars per kilowatt hour. Not that there are roads between these remote places, so no need for EV anyway. Sometime in the next few months, maybe by Spring 2022, a person could EV from Fairbanks south and have charge points so you actually arrive. Battery life at -30C is not going to be good. Then, there is all the magic minerals to make an EV function. There are at least 19 rare earth minerals in mineable quantities. All have been mined and processed before. Most recently WWII based on recent articles. A massive graphite mine is attempting to get approved. It makes the magical blend that is perfect for Elon’s battery packs. And let us not overlook the MASSIVE copper deposit that would supply US needs well into the 22nd century. But that is not to be, the enviro-weenies at Corps of Engineers yanked their approval after a call by the current resident. If you expect to own an EV, it will be made out of Chinese minerals and labor. Clay inter urinas et faeces nascimur > On Jul 22, 2021, at 7:55 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > I hate to rain on the EV parade, but, who is going to invest the critical > and much needed $400 Trillion in building new electrical generation and > transmission lines to support all these new EV vehicles, in the next 9 > years? > Graphic example: California just ordered all EV vehicles NOT to charge, > because the power transmission lines were at peak load and could not meet > the expected charging demands. > Record heat, record AC use, forest fires caused by overheated and sagging > transmission lines... etc etc... repeat across Europe. > Presently, there is serious discussion about shutting down Hoover Dam > because of extreme drought. The water level in Lake Meade is lower than it > has been in 50 years. > Mining for EV battery materials and critical component materials is in > extreme short supply, for the projected future. > Large power plants historically take 20 or more years to build, Large > transformers have lead times measured in years. Transmission lines? Who > knows for sure, few have been built in the past 40 years. Steel for > towers... made in the steel mills in China... Wire for lines... ? Who mines > the raw materials and what is the real lead time to make thousands of miles > of new transmission lines? > Asking for a friend. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT residential air conditioner issue
My A coil has two drains. The primary is about 1/2 below the safety. The primary is trapped and plumbed to a safe drain (in my case the condensate pump for my furnace). The secondary is left wide open, if you ever see water there the main drain is plugged. On 2021-07-23 17:17, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: When the AC is in operation, on my AC, the cold A coil in the air handler will produce a lot of condensate dripping from it, as the warm air hits the cold coils. There is a pan below the coil, which has a drain outside the house. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel paint code?
Is that the code also for 123 Bundts? Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 6:35 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Here you go. Mercedes paint code 735. > > http://oudemercedesbrochures.nl/W124_MetallicColours_ca85.html > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 6:09 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Astral silver was my guess. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jul 23, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > Astral Silver is all I remember as the color. > > > - > > > Max > > > Charleston SC > > > > > > > > >> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 5:26 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> Is there a wheel paint code? I’m getting the set of 15 hole alloys > that > > >> Max sent me refinished and the wheel refurbishers tell me there’s no > > paint > > >> code. They were supposed to strip, powder coat prime and then paint > and > > >> clear to match oem color as best as possible. Instead they decided to > > just > > >> powercoat them and they look very off. Too dark, no vibrancy or depth. > > >> Look like gray primer with some metal flake. They will redo them but > > >> thought I’d get some more info on possible paint codes before handing > > them > > >> back. > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> > > >> ___ > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel paint code?
This guy has lots and lots of info posted. http://oudemercedesbrochures.nl/index.html - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 6:34 PM Meade Dillon wrote: > Here you go. Mercedes paint code 735. > > http://oudemercedesbrochures.nl/W124_MetallicColours_ca85.html > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 6:09 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Astral silver was my guess. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 23, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > >> > Astral Silver is all I remember as the color. >> > - >> > Max >> > Charleston SC >> > >> > >> >> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 5:26 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Is there a wheel paint code? I’m getting the set of 15 hole alloys that >> >> Max sent me refinished and the wheel refurbishers tell me there’s no >> paint >> >> code. They were supposed to strip, powder coat prime and then paint and >> >> clear to match oem color as best as possible. Instead they decided to >> just >> >> powercoat them and they look very off. Too dark, no vibrancy or depth. >> >> Look like gray primer with some metal flake. They will redo them but >> >> thought I’d get some more info on possible paint codes before handing >> them >> >> back. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel paint code?
Here you go. Mercedes paint code 735. http://oudemercedesbrochures.nl/W124_MetallicColours_ca85.html - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 6:09 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Astral silver was my guess. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 23, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Astral Silver is all I remember as the color. > > - > > Max > > Charleston SC > > > > > >> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 5:26 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> Is there a wheel paint code? I’m getting the set of 15 hole alloys that > >> Max sent me refinished and the wheel refurbishers tell me there’s no > paint > >> code. They were supposed to strip, powder coat prime and then paint and > >> clear to match oem color as best as possible. Instead they decided to > just > >> powercoat them and they look very off. Too dark, no vibrancy or depth. > >> Look like gray primer with some metal flake. They will redo them but > >> thought I’d get some more info on possible paint codes before handing > them > >> back. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel paint code?
Astral silver was my guess. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 23, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Astral Silver is all I remember as the color. > - > Max > Charleston SC > > >> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 5:26 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Is there a wheel paint code? I’m getting the set of 15 hole alloys that >> Max sent me refinished and the wheel refurbishers tell me there’s no paint >> code. They were supposed to strip, powder coat prime and then paint and >> clear to match oem color as best as possible. Instead they decided to just >> powercoat them and they look very off. Too dark, no vibrancy or depth. >> Look like gray primer with some metal flake. They will redo them but >> thought I’d get some more info on possible paint codes before handing them >> back. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel paint code?
Astral Silver is all I remember as the color. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 5:26 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Is there a wheel paint code? I’m getting the set of 15 hole alloys that > Max sent me refinished and the wheel refurbishers tell me there’s no paint > code. They were supposed to strip, powder coat prime and then paint and > clear to match oem color as best as possible. Instead they decided to just > powercoat them and they look very off. Too dark, no vibrancy or depth. > Look like gray primer with some metal flake. They will redo them but > thought I’d get some more info on possible paint codes before handing them > back. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT residential air conditioner issue
Check to make sure you don't have a leak in the delivery side blowing on the return duct, as a cold wall on the return will cause condensation on the inside. Only thing I can think of other than a plumbing leak upstairs that is somehow making it's way into the return. Just had another thought, prompted by my brother's experiences with his ductwork -- is that return duct fitted with internal insulation? Usually something like 1/8" material. If it falls off you get two problems -- interference with airflow (my brother's problem, burned out heater coils and cost a fortune) or exposure to cool enough metal ducting to create condensation. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Holy crack
1991 Mercedes Benz 350sdl Turbo Diesel Classic Car https://austin.craigslist.org/cto/d/1991-mercedes-benz-350sdl-turbo-diesel/7355206837.html Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT residential air conditioner issue
Agreed, if it's condensation it has to be coming from the cold air side somhow. I've never seen condensation on the return air side, no matter how humid it is, and I don't think it's possible. That's room-temperature air coming back to be cycled through the evaporator again. Allan On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, at 5:17 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > When the AC is in operation, on my AC, the cold A coil in the air handler > will produce a lot of condensate dripping from it, as the warm air hits the > cold coils. There is a pan below the coil, which has a drain outside the > house. > > Perhaps your drain is plugged, so the water has found another route? > > Periodic monthly maintenance here, during AC season, is to put a "pan tab" > into the drip pan and drain line, to keep fungus from growing and plugging > up the line. > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 3:02 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > My house has a basic HVAC system. We have a gas fired furnace in the > > basement and central air installed with the furnace. The evaporator A > > coil sits in the warm air plenum above the furnace. The Condenser sits > > outside by the back door. The whole setup of furnace and air conditioner > > is Lennox and about 5 years old - installed in the summer of 2016. The > > previous furnace was Lennox and was installed when the house was new in > > 1981. The AC was added later in the summer of 1984. It worked fine and > > was still working fine when we replaced it, primarily to get a higher > > efficiency furnace. > > > > The furnace sits near the south wall of the basement and there is a > > rectangular duct above the plenum on the unit to feed warmed or cooled > > air across the basement from which smaller round ducts carry the air to > > the rooms on the 1st and 2nd floors - 2 storey house. There is also a > > rectangular duct that provides a cold air return to the vertical duct > > that feeds air through the filter at the floor level to the blower in > > the bottom of the furnace. > > > > All very common - nothing unusual. > > > > The current system appears to be working fine. The house is cool and the > > compressor turns on and off like it should. > > > > However, we are experiencing an issue that we have not seen previously. > > The cold air return duct extends from the furnace north across the > > basement ceiling. It also extends south but only for a couple of feet > > and there are round ducts off of it to pick up air from upstairs. The > > issue is that we have water dripping out of the rectangular cold air > > return duct on the short side of the furnace. We do not believe we have > > ever experienced this before. The electric hot water tank is below the > > duct and we have a rectangular plastic wash basin about the size that > > fits in a double kitchen sink sitting on top of the hot water tank. I am > > emptying it 2 or 3 times each day with and inch or two of water in it. > > That means it is a fairly significant drip. I can install a drain on the > > duct to take the water down to the floor level and over to the sump pit > > but I would like to confirm the source of the water. I have to assume it > > is just condensation forming on the inside of the ducting. > > > > I have looked all over above the cold air return duct and there are no > > leaking water pipes or drain pipes that I can identify. I drilled a hole > > into the cold air return duct near where it drips and fed a boroscope > > (sp?) into it to have a look and I see a little moisture but no puddle > > and no frost or ice forming on the metal ducting. > > > > Water does not appear to be flowing down the cold air return duct to the > > bottom of the furnace, or at least not significantly. The filter is not > > wet except for maybe 3/4" on the one lower corner. I have pulled the > > cover off of the furnace and see no evidence of water infiltration. > > > > I may drill a couple more holes so that I can look into the plenum above > > the furnace to see what the evaporator looks like. > > > > We have had hot weather (for us anyway). Today it is 30C which is about > > 86F. It is humid today as we have had some rain in the past few days. It > > has been warm throughout most of July but it was very dry as we had not > > had much rain. We were experiencing the water dripping when it was dry > > outside as this has existed for all of July. > > > > We also run a dehumidifier in the basement to keep the moisture level down. > > > > We have been in this house since 1981 and have never had this issue > > before to our knowledge. Certainly not to the extent we have it right > > now in any event. I don't go back behind the furnace all that often so > > it might have dripped before but if it had done so at the level it is > > doing now, it would have flowed out to where it was obvious. > > > > Anyone have any thoughts on the issue? > > > > Randy > > > > > > _
[MBZ] Wheel paint code?
Is there a wheel paint code? I’m getting the set of 15 hole alloys that Max sent me refinished and the wheel refurbishers tell me there’s no paint code. They were supposed to strip, powder coat prime and then paint and clear to match oem color as best as possible. Instead they decided to just powercoat them and they look very off. Too dark, no vibrancy or depth. Look like gray primer with some metal flake. They will redo them but thought I’d get some more info on possible paint codes before handing them back. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT residential air conditioner issue
When the AC is in operation, on my AC, the cold A coil in the air handler will produce a lot of condensate dripping from it, as the warm air hits the cold coils. There is a pan below the coil, which has a drain outside the house. Perhaps your drain is plugged, so the water has found another route? Periodic monthly maintenance here, during AC season, is to put a "pan tab" into the drip pan and drain line, to keep fungus from growing and plugging up the line. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 3:02 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > My house has a basic HVAC system. We have a gas fired furnace in the > basement and central air installed with the furnace. The evaporator A > coil sits in the warm air plenum above the furnace. The Condenser sits > outside by the back door. The whole setup of furnace and air conditioner > is Lennox and about 5 years old - installed in the summer of 2016. The > previous furnace was Lennox and was installed when the house was new in > 1981. The AC was added later in the summer of 1984. It worked fine and > was still working fine when we replaced it, primarily to get a higher > efficiency furnace. > > The furnace sits near the south wall of the basement and there is a > rectangular duct above the plenum on the unit to feed warmed or cooled > air across the basement from which smaller round ducts carry the air to > the rooms on the 1st and 2nd floors - 2 storey house. There is also a > rectangular duct that provides a cold air return to the vertical duct > that feeds air through the filter at the floor level to the blower in > the bottom of the furnace. > > All very common - nothing unusual. > > The current system appears to be working fine. The house is cool and the > compressor turns on and off like it should. > > However, we are experiencing an issue that we have not seen previously. > The cold air return duct extends from the furnace north across the > basement ceiling. It also extends south but only for a couple of feet > and there are round ducts off of it to pick up air from upstairs. The > issue is that we have water dripping out of the rectangular cold air > return duct on the short side of the furnace. We do not believe we have > ever experienced this before. The electric hot water tank is below the > duct and we have a rectangular plastic wash basin about the size that > fits in a double kitchen sink sitting on top of the hot water tank. I am > emptying it 2 or 3 times each day with and inch or two of water in it. > That means it is a fairly significant drip. I can install a drain on the > duct to take the water down to the floor level and over to the sump pit > but I would like to confirm the source of the water. I have to assume it > is just condensation forming on the inside of the ducting. > > I have looked all over above the cold air return duct and there are no > leaking water pipes or drain pipes that I can identify. I drilled a hole > into the cold air return duct near where it drips and fed a boroscope > (sp?) into it to have a look and I see a little moisture but no puddle > and no frost or ice forming on the metal ducting. > > Water does not appear to be flowing down the cold air return duct to the > bottom of the furnace, or at least not significantly. The filter is not > wet except for maybe 3/4" on the one lower corner. I have pulled the > cover off of the furnace and see no evidence of water infiltration. > > I may drill a couple more holes so that I can look into the plenum above > the furnace to see what the evaporator looks like. > > We have had hot weather (for us anyway). Today it is 30C which is about > 86F. It is humid today as we have had some rain in the past few days. It > has been warm throughout most of July but it was very dry as we had not > had much rain. We were experiencing the water dripping when it was dry > outside as this has existed for all of July. > > We also run a dehumidifier in the basement to keep the moisture level down. > > We have been in this house since 1981 and have never had this issue > before to our knowledge. Certainly not to the extent we have it right > now in any event. I don't go back behind the furnace all that often so > it might have dripped before but if it had done so at the level it is > doing now, it would have flowed out to where it was obvious. > > Anyone have any thoughts on the issue? > > Randy > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT residential air conditioner issue
We just had our A coil, lines and outdoor A/C unit replaced a couple months ago. Once it was put back together, air flow wasn’t the same as before. When they went underneath the house to check things out, they found that excess condensation had rusted out the bottom of the air handler and a significant percentage of air was being blown into the crawl space. The cause was believed to be a failing condensate pump. If that’s your problem, the fix should be easy enough. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 2019 Sprinter 3500mi, Low Mileage Lutgard 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard, still in hibernation Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 23, 2021, at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > My house has a basic HVAC system. We have a gas fired furnace in the > basement and central air installed with the furnace. The evaporator A coil > sits in the warm air plenum above the furnace. The Condenser sits outside by > the back door. The whole setup of furnace and air conditioner is Lennox and > about 5 years old - installed in the summer of 2016. The previous furnace was > Lennox and was installed when the house was new in 1981. The AC was added > later in the summer of 1984. It worked fine and was still working fine when > we replaced it, primarily to get a higher efficiency furnace. > > The furnace sits near the south wall of the basement and there is a > rectangular duct above the plenum on the unit to feed warmed or cooled air > across the basement from which smaller round ducts carry the air to the rooms > on the 1st and 2nd floors - 2 storey house. There is also a rectangular duct > that provides a cold air return to the vertical duct that feeds air through > the filter at the floor level to the blower in the bottom of the furnace. > > All very common - nothing unusual. > > The current system appears to be working fine. The house is cool and the > compressor turns on and off like it should. > > However, we are experiencing an issue that we have not seen previously. The > cold air return duct extends from the furnace north across the basement > ceiling. It also extends south but only for a couple of feet and there are > round ducts off of it to pick up air from upstairs. The issue is that we have > water dripping out of the rectangular cold air return duct on the short side > of the furnace. We do not believe we have ever experienced this before. The > electric hot water tank is below the duct and we have a rectangular plastic > wash basin about the size that fits in a double kitchen sink sitting on top > of the hot water tank. I am emptying it 2 or 3 times each day with and inch > or two of water in it. That means it is a fairly significant drip. I can > install a drain on the duct to take the water down to the floor level and > over to the sump pit but I would like to confirm the source of the water. I > have to assume it is just condensation forming on the inside of the ducting. > > I have looked all over above the cold air return duct and there are no > leaking water pipes or drain pipes that I can identify. I drilled a hole into > the cold air return duct near where it drips and fed a boroscope (sp?) into > it to have a look and I see a little moisture but no puddle and no frost or > ice forming on the metal ducting. > > Water does not appear to be flowing down the cold air return duct to the > bottom of the furnace, or at least not significantly. The filter is not wet > except for maybe 3/4" on the one lower corner. I have pulled the cover off of > the furnace and see no evidence of water infiltration. > > I may drill a couple more holes so that I can look into the plenum above the > furnace to see what the evaporator looks like. > > We have had hot weather (for us anyway). Today it is 30C which is about 86F. > It is humid today as we have had some rain in the past few days. It has been > warm throughout most of July but it was very dry as we had not had much rain. > We were experiencing the water dripping when it was dry outside as this has > existed for all of July. > > We also run a dehumidifier in the basement to keep the moisture level down. > > We have been in this house since 1981 and have never had this issue before to > our knowledge. Certainly not to the extent we have it right now in any event. > I don't go back behind the furnace all that often so it might have dripped > before but if it had done so at the level it is doing now, it would have > flowed out to where it was obvious. > > Anyone have any thoughts on the issue? > > Randy > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change deliver
[MBZ] OT residential air conditioner issue
My house has a basic HVAC system. We have a gas fired furnace in the basement and central air installed with the furnace. The evaporator A coil sits in the warm air plenum above the furnace. The Condenser sits outside by the back door. The whole setup of furnace and air conditioner is Lennox and about 5 years old - installed in the summer of 2016. The previous furnace was Lennox and was installed when the house was new in 1981. The AC was added later in the summer of 1984. It worked fine and was still working fine when we replaced it, primarily to get a higher efficiency furnace. The furnace sits near the south wall of the basement and there is a rectangular duct above the plenum on the unit to feed warmed or cooled air across the basement from which smaller round ducts carry the air to the rooms on the 1st and 2nd floors - 2 storey house. There is also a rectangular duct that provides a cold air return to the vertical duct that feeds air through the filter at the floor level to the blower in the bottom of the furnace. All very common - nothing unusual. The current system appears to be working fine. The house is cool and the compressor turns on and off like it should. However, we are experiencing an issue that we have not seen previously. The cold air return duct extends from the furnace north across the basement ceiling. It also extends south but only for a couple of feet and there are round ducts off of it to pick up air from upstairs. The issue is that we have water dripping out of the rectangular cold air return duct on the short side of the furnace. We do not believe we have ever experienced this before. The electric hot water tank is below the duct and we have a rectangular plastic wash basin about the size that fits in a double kitchen sink sitting on top of the hot water tank. I am emptying it 2 or 3 times each day with and inch or two of water in it. That means it is a fairly significant drip. I can install a drain on the duct to take the water down to the floor level and over to the sump pit but I would like to confirm the source of the water. I have to assume it is just condensation forming on the inside of the ducting. I have looked all over above the cold air return duct and there are no leaking water pipes or drain pipes that I can identify. I drilled a hole into the cold air return duct near where it drips and fed a boroscope (sp?) into it to have a look and I see a little moisture but no puddle and no frost or ice forming on the metal ducting. Water does not appear to be flowing down the cold air return duct to the bottom of the furnace, or at least not significantly. The filter is not wet except for maybe 3/4" on the one lower corner. I have pulled the cover off of the furnace and see no evidence of water infiltration. I may drill a couple more holes so that I can look into the plenum above the furnace to see what the evaporator looks like. We have had hot weather (for us anyway). Today it is 30C which is about 86F. It is humid today as we have had some rain in the past few days. It has been warm throughout most of July but it was very dry as we had not had much rain. We were experiencing the water dripping when it was dry outside as this has existed for all of July. We also run a dehumidifier in the basement to keep the moisture level down. We have been in this house since 1981 and have never had this issue before to our knowledge. Certainly not to the extent we have it right now in any event. I don't go back behind the furnace all that often so it might have dripped before but if it had done so at the level it is doing now, it would have flowed out to where it was obvious. Anyone have any thoughts on the issue? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB to go all electric by 2030?
Or we need a way to idle non-solar production during sunny hours and then ramp it back up as solar production goes offline. We'd also need more non-solar production on cloudy/stormy days. Use the grid to consume solar when its being made. EVs don't have to be at home to charge. My office has 6 EV charging stations, the grocery store near work has 4 that claim "free charging", heck even my small town has 4 charging stations in the park.The EV you drove to work charges while you're there and the sun is shining... Seems like this is much more practical than storing the energy. -Curt On Friday, July 23, 2021, 12:22:27 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: The true short fall with solar is not panels, it is battery storage, or some sort of storage yet to be invented. We now have decent panels, at decent prices, and panel production facilities with excess capacity [which was not the case even 5 years ago]. What we do not have to "make it all work" is some way to capture energy during daylight, and then store it for use at night, to charge EV cars, cool or heat our homes, etc. Easily, during a "solar day" there are megawatts of energy available for collection. We as a society just have not been smart enough to figure out a way to capture and store it for later use. Producing more EV cars, and destroying fossil fuel production, without solving this one critical issue first is stupid in a classical way. If you want to be the next richest man in the world, invent a solution to this storage issue that works, is cheap, and can be used by normal low tech people, as part of their home equipment. On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:00 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Home PV (photovoltaics) to run aircon also makes good sense. Cool the > house during the hottest part of the day by capturing the stuff making the > house hot. > PV on business roofs makes solid sense too since you've got a lot of > heating/cooling/lighting/etc going on in big buildings. > The problem is that the solar industry has lost a bunch of believably due > to the obvious lies told by the greenwashers. The diysolar group on Reddit > is full of questions like "How do I run my apartment aircon on solar?" from > people who have no idea how much energy it takes to run even a small aircon > and thing they can do it from a 100w panel on their balcony... > -Curt > > On Friday, July 23, 2021, 11:47:50 AM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Home solar to charge an EV sorta makes sense, if your car is at home > during the day. It's the ideal use case though, with no complicated grid > tie-ins or transfer switches. > > Allan > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > > The thing is, they don't. Over about a 30 year span they degrade slowly > but never stop producing power. Nobody knows how long they'll continue to > produce or what the final level will be. > > Even if they break or quit producing power they're mostly just silicon > and copper, very easy to recycle. > > Solar is a really great power producer, the problem is the greenwashing > that makes people think it can be the ONLY power producer. Ideally we > should be installing a ton of solar to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels > and working out systems to more easily spin up or down as needed to make up > for shortfalls in renewables. > > -Curt > > > > On Friday, July 23, 2021, 9:48:35 AM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > What's your plan for disposal when the solar panels reach the end of > their > > useful life? > > - > > Max > > Charleston SC > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:26 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > Meanwhile, I am busy ordering more solar panels for my home since the > price > > > has come down 40 percent. > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:16 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I guess they should have been building more nuke plants. > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 2021, at 10:56 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I hate to rain on the EV parade, but, who is going to invest the > > > > critical > > > > > and much needed $400 Trillion in building new electrical > generation and > > > > > transmission lines to support all these new EV vehicles, in the > next 9 > > > > > years? > > > > > Graphic example: California just ordered all EV vehicles NOT to > charge, > > > > > because the power transmission lines were at peak load and could > not > > > meet > > > > > the expected charging demands. > > > > > Record heat, record AC use, forest fires caused by overheated and > > > sagging > > > > > transmission lines... etc etc... repeat across Europe. > > > > > Presently, there is serious discussion about shutting down Hoover > Dam > > > > > becau
Re: [MBZ] MB to go all electric by 2030?
That's the problem we have at camp, the camp sits down in a valley, the sun doesn't really clear the trees on the far side, especially not in the winter. To really fix the issue we'd have to clear out all the trees on the other side which would promote erosion and screw up the seclusion of the valley. It doesn't mean you don't make any solar, we do okay with only 300w of panels but we make well below what the panels are capable of. At some point I intend to (at least) double our production. Ideally that means moving to 300w panels, well from a cost perspective ideal but panels that large start to get difficult to handle. Solar isn't for everybody. It's not the ultimate solution, it's a part of a well developed energy sector. -Curt On Friday, July 23, 2021, 12:16:21 PM EDT, Allan Streib wrote: I'm on a wooded lot. I'd have to cut a lot of trees to get full sun on the roof for more than about 4 hours a day. Also the peak of my roof runs north/south so panels on either half of the roof would only get light before or after noon, respectively. I have a clear area where I could possibly site ground-level panels, but that would preclude using it for anything else such as a garden. Allan On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Home PV (photovoltaics) to run aircon also makes good sense. Cool the house during the hottest part of the day by capturing the stuff making the house hot. PV on business roofs makes solid sense too since you've got a lot of heating/cooling/lighting/etc going on in big buildings. The problem is that the solar industry has lost a bunch of believably due to the obvious lies told by the greenwashers. The diysolar group on Reddit is full of questions like "How do I run my apartment aircon on solar?" from people who have no idea how much energy it takes to run even a small aircon and thing they can do it from a 100w panel on their balcony... -Curt On Friday, July 23, 2021, 11:47:50 AM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Home solar to charge an EV sorta makes sense, if your car is at home during the day. It's the ideal use case though, with no complicated grid tie-ins or transfer switches. Allan On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > The thing is, they don't. Over about a 30 year span they degrade slowly but > never stop producing power. Nobody knows how long they'll continue to produce > or what the final level will be. > Even if they break or quit producing power they're mostly just silicon and > copper, very easy to recycle. > Solar is a really great power producer, the problem is the greenwashing that > makes people think it can be the ONLY power producer. Ideally we should be > installing a ton of solar to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels and working > out systems to more easily spin up or down as needed to make up for > shortfalls in renewables. > -Curt > > On Friday, July 23, 2021, 9:48:35 AM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > What's your plan for disposal when the solar panels reach the end of their > useful life? > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:26 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Meanwhile, I am busy ordering more solar panels for my home since the price > > has come down 40 percent. > > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:16 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > I guess they should have been building more nuke plants. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 2021, at 10:56 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I hate to rain on the EV parade, but, who is going to invest the > > > critical > > > > and much needed $400 Trillion in building new electrical generation and > > > > transmission lines to support all these new EV vehicles, in the next 9 > > > > years? > > > > Graphic example: California just ordered all EV vehicles NOT to charge, > > > > because the power transmission lines were at peak load and could not > > meet > > > > the expected charging demands. > > > > Record heat, record AC use, forest fires caused by overheated and > > sagging > > > > transmission lines... etc etc... repeat across Europe. > > > > Presently, there is serious discussion about shutting down Hoover Dam > > > > because of extreme drought. The water level in Lake Meade is lower than > > > it > > > > has been in 50 years. > > > > Mining for EV battery materials and critical component materials is in > > > > extreme short supply, for the projected future. > > > > Large power plants historically take 20 or more years to build, Large > > > > transformers have lead times measured in years. Transmission lines? Who > > > > knows for sure, few have been built in the past 40 years. Steel for > > > > towers... made in the steel mills in China... Wire for lines... ? Who > > > mines > > > > the raw materials and what is the
Re: [MBZ] MB to go all electric by 2030?
The true short fall with solar is not panels, it is battery storage, or some sort of storage yet to be invented. We now have decent panels, at decent prices, and panel production facilities with excess capacity [which was not the case even 5 years ago]. What we do not have to "make it all work" is some way to capture energy during daylight, and then store it for use at night, to charge EV cars, cool or heat our homes, etc. Easily, during a "solar day" there are megawatts of energy available for collection. We as a society just have not been smart enough to figure out a way to capture and store it for later use. Producing more EV cars, and destroying fossil fuel production, without solving this one critical issue first is stupid in a classical way. If you want to be the next richest man in the world, invent a solution to this storage issue that works, is cheap, and can be used by normal low tech people, as part of their home equipment. On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:00 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Home PV (photovoltaics) to run aircon also makes good sense. Cool the > house during the hottest part of the day by capturing the stuff making the > house hot. > PV on business roofs makes solid sense too since you've got a lot of > heating/cooling/lighting/etc going on in big buildings. > The problem is that the solar industry has lost a bunch of believably due > to the obvious lies told by the greenwashers. The diysolar group on Reddit > is full of questions like "How do I run my apartment aircon on solar?" from > people who have no idea how much energy it takes to run even a small aircon > and thing they can do it from a 100w panel on their balcony... > -Curt > > On Friday, July 23, 2021, 11:47:50 AM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Home solar to charge an EV sorta makes sense, if your car is at home > during the day. It's the ideal use case though, with no complicated grid > tie-ins or transfer switches. > > Allan > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > > The thing is, they don't. Over about a 30 year span they degrade slowly > but never stop producing power. Nobody knows how long they'll continue to > produce or what the final level will be. > > Even if they break or quit producing power they're mostly just silicon > and copper, very easy to recycle. > > Solar is a really great power producer, the problem is the greenwashing > that makes people think it can be the ONLY power producer. Ideally we > should be installing a ton of solar to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels > and working out systems to more easily spin up or down as needed to make up > for shortfalls in renewables. > > -Curt > > > >On Friday, July 23, 2021, 9:48:35 AM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > What's your plan for disposal when the solar panels reach the end of > their > > useful life? > > - > > Max > > Charleston SC > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:26 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > Meanwhile, I am busy ordering more solar panels for my home since the > price > > > has come down 40 percent. > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:16 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I guess they should have been building more nuke plants. > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 2021, at 10:56 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I hate to rain on the EV parade, but, who is going to invest the > > > > critical > > > > > and much needed $400 Trillion in building new electrical > generation and > > > > > transmission lines to support all these new EV vehicles, in the > next 9 > > > > > years? > > > > > Graphic example: California just ordered all EV vehicles NOT to > charge, > > > > > because the power transmission lines were at peak load and could > not > > > meet > > > > > the expected charging demands. > > > > > Record heat, record AC use, forest fires caused by overheated and > > > sagging > > > > > transmission lines... etc etc... repeat across Europe. > > > > > Presently, there is serious discussion about shutting down Hoover > Dam > > > > > because of extreme drought. The water level in Lake Meade is lower > than > > > > it > > > > > has been in 50 years. > > > > > Mining for EV battery materials and critical component materials > is in > > > > > extreme short supply, for the projected future. > > > > > Large power plants historically take 20 or more years to build, > Large > > > > > transformers have lead times measured in years. Transmission > lines? Who > > > > > knows for sure, few have been built in the past 40 years. Steel for > > > > > towers... made in the steel mills in China... Wire for lines... ? > Who > > > > mines > > > > > the raw materials and what is the real lead time to make thousands > of > >
Re: [MBZ] MB to go all electric by 2030?
I'm on a wooded lot. I'd have to cut a lot of trees to get full sun on the roof for more than about 4 hours a day. Also the peak of my roof runs north/south so panels on either half of the roof would only get light before or after noon, respectively. I have a clear area where I could possibly site ground-level panels, but that would preclude using it for anything else such as a garden. Allan On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > > Home PV (photovoltaics) to run aircon also makes good sense. Cool the house > during the hottest part of the day by capturing the stuff making the house > hot. > > PV on business roofs makes solid sense too since you've got a lot of > heating/cooling/lighting/etc going on in big buildings. > > The problem is that the solar industry has lost a bunch of believably due to > the obvious lies told by the greenwashers. The diysolar group on Reddit is > full of questions like "How do I run my apartment aircon on solar?" from > people who have no idea how much energy it takes to run even a small aircon > and thing they can do it from a 100w panel on their balcony... > > -Curt > > On Friday, July 23, 2021, 11:47:50 AM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Home solar to charge an EV sorta makes sense, if your car is at home during > the day. It's the ideal use case though, with no complicated grid tie-ins or > transfer switches. > > Allan > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > > The thing is, they don't. Over about a 30 year span they degrade slowly but > > never stop producing power. Nobody knows how long they'll continue to > > produce or what the final level will be. > > Even if they break or quit producing power they're mostly just silicon and > > copper, very easy to recycle. > > Solar is a really great power producer, the problem is the greenwashing > > that makes people think it can be the ONLY power producer. Ideally we > > should be installing a ton of solar to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels > > and working out systems to more easily spin up or down as needed to make up > > for shortfalls in renewables. > > -Curt > > > >On Friday, July 23, 2021, 9:48:35 AM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > What's your plan for disposal when the solar panels reach the end of their > > useful life? > > - > > Max > > Charleston SC > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:26 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > Meanwhile, I am busy ordering more solar panels for my home since the > > > price > > > has come down 40 percent. > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:16 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I guess they should have been building more nuke plants. > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 2021, at 10:56 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I hate to rain on the EV parade, but, who is going to invest the > > > > critical > > > > > and much needed $400 Trillion in building new electrical generation > > > > > and > > > > > transmission lines to support all these new EV vehicles, in the next 9 > > > > > years? > > > > > Graphic example: California just ordered all EV vehicles NOT to > > > > > charge, > > > > > because the power transmission lines were at peak load and could not > > > meet > > > > > the expected charging demands. > > > > > Record heat, record AC use, forest fires caused by overheated and > > > sagging > > > > > transmission lines... etc etc... repeat across Europe. > > > > > Presently, there is serious discussion about shutting down Hoover Dam > > > > > because of extreme drought. The water level in Lake Meade is lower > > > > > than > > > > it > > > > > has been in 50 years. > > > > > Mining for EV battery materials and critical component materials is in > > > > > extreme short supply, for the projected future. > > > > > Large power plants historically take 20 or more years to build, Large > > > > > transformers have lead times measured in years. Transmission lines? > > > > > Who > > > > > knows for sure, few have been built in the past 40 years. Steel for > > > > > towers... made in the steel mills in China... Wire for lines... ? Who > > > > mines > > > > > the raw materials and what is the real lead time to make thousands of > > > > miles > > > > > of new transmission lines? > > > > > Asking for a friend. > > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 7:55 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > > > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/mercedes-benz-go-all-electric-2030-n1274708 > > > > >> > > > > >> Plans to invest more than $47 billion by 2030 to develop > > > > battery-electric > > > > >> vehicles, and be ready for an all-electric car market by 2030. > > > > >> > > > > >> Spending on tradition
Re: [MBZ] MB to go all electric by 2030?
Home PV (photovoltaics) to run aircon also makes good sense. Cool the house during the hottest part of the day by capturing the stuff making the house hot. PV on business roofs makes solid sense too since you've got a lot of heating/cooling/lighting/etc going on in big buildings. The problem is that the solar industry has lost a bunch of believably due to the obvious lies told by the greenwashers. The diysolar group on Reddit is full of questions like "How do I run my apartment aircon on solar?" from people who have no idea how much energy it takes to run even a small aircon and thing they can do it from a 100w panel on their balcony... -Curt On Friday, July 23, 2021, 11:47:50 AM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Home solar to charge an EV sorta makes sense, if your car is at home during the day. It's the ideal use case though, with no complicated grid tie-ins or transfer switches. Allan On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > The thing is, they don't. Over about a 30 year span they degrade slowly but > never stop producing power. Nobody knows how long they'll continue to produce > or what the final level will be. > Even if they break or quit producing power they're mostly just silicon and > copper, very easy to recycle. > Solar is a really great power producer, the problem is the greenwashing that > makes people think it can be the ONLY power producer. Ideally we should be > installing a ton of solar to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels and working > out systems to more easily spin up or down as needed to make up for > shortfalls in renewables. > -Curt > > On Friday, July 23, 2021, 9:48:35 AM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > What's your plan for disposal when the solar panels reach the end of their > useful life? > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:26 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Meanwhile, I am busy ordering more solar panels for my home since the price > > has come down 40 percent. > > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:16 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > I guess they should have been building more nuke plants. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 2021, at 10:56 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I hate to rain on the EV parade, but, who is going to invest the > > > critical > > > > and much needed $400 Trillion in building new electrical generation and > > > > transmission lines to support all these new EV vehicles, in the next 9 > > > > years? > > > > Graphic example: California just ordered all EV vehicles NOT to charge, > > > > because the power transmission lines were at peak load and could not > > meet > > > > the expected charging demands. > > > > Record heat, record AC use, forest fires caused by overheated and > > sagging > > > > transmission lines... etc etc... repeat across Europe. > > > > Presently, there is serious discussion about shutting down Hoover Dam > > > > because of extreme drought. The water level in Lake Meade is lower than > > > it > > > > has been in 50 years. > > > > Mining for EV battery materials and critical component materials is in > > > > extreme short supply, for the projected future. > > > > Large power plants historically take 20 or more years to build, Large > > > > transformers have lead times measured in years. Transmission lines? Who > > > > knows for sure, few have been built in the past 40 years. Steel for > > > > towers... made in the steel mills in China... Wire for lines... ? Who > > > mines > > > > the raw materials and what is the real lead time to make thousands of > > > miles > > > > of new transmission lines? > > > > Asking for a friend. > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 7:55 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/mercedes-benz-go-all-electric-2030-n1274708 > > > >> > > > >> Plans to invest more than $47 billion by 2030 to develop > > > battery-electric > > > >> vehicles, and be ready for an all-electric car market by 2030. > > > >> > > > >> Spending on traditional combustion-engine technology "close to zero" > > by > > > >> 2025. > > > >> ___ > > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > > >> > > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > >> > > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ___ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > __
Re: [MBZ] MB to go all electric by 2030?
Home solar to charge an EV sorta makes sense, if your car is at home during the day. It's the ideal use case though, with no complicated grid tie-ins or transfer switches. Allan On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > The thing is, they don't. Over about a 30 year span they degrade slowly but > never stop producing power. Nobody knows how long they'll continue to produce > or what the final level will be. > Even if they break or quit producing power they're mostly just silicon and > copper, very easy to recycle. > Solar is a really great power producer, the problem is the greenwashing that > makes people think it can be the ONLY power producer. Ideally we should be > installing a ton of solar to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels and working > out systems to more easily spin up or down as needed to make up for > shortfalls in renewables. > -Curt > > On Friday, July 23, 2021, 9:48:35 AM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > What's your plan for disposal when the solar panels reach the end of their > useful life? > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:26 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Meanwhile, I am busy ordering more solar panels for my home since the price > > has come down 40 percent. > > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:16 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > I guess they should have been building more nuke plants. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 2021, at 10:56 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I hate to rain on the EV parade, but, who is going to invest the > > > critical > > > > and much needed $400 Trillion in building new electrical generation and > > > > transmission lines to support all these new EV vehicles, in the next 9 > > > > years? > > > > Graphic example: California just ordered all EV vehicles NOT to charge, > > > > because the power transmission lines were at peak load and could not > > meet > > > > the expected charging demands. > > > > Record heat, record AC use, forest fires caused by overheated and > > sagging > > > > transmission lines... etc etc... repeat across Europe. > > > > Presently, there is serious discussion about shutting down Hoover Dam > > > > because of extreme drought. The water level in Lake Meade is lower than > > > it > > > > has been in 50 years. > > > > Mining for EV battery materials and critical component materials is in > > > > extreme short supply, for the projected future. > > > > Large power plants historically take 20 or more years to build, Large > > > > transformers have lead times measured in years. Transmission lines? Who > > > > knows for sure, few have been built in the past 40 years. Steel for > > > > towers... made in the steel mills in China... Wire for lines... ? Who > > > mines > > > > the raw materials and what is the real lead time to make thousands of > > > miles > > > > of new transmission lines? > > > > Asking for a friend. > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 7:55 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/mercedes-benz-go-all-electric-2030-n1274708 > > > >> > > > >> Plans to invest more than $47 billion by 2030 to develop > > > battery-electric > > > >> vehicles, and be ready for an all-electric car market by 2030. > > > >> > > > >> Spending on traditional combustion-engine technology "close to zero" > > by > > > >> 2025. > > > >> ___ > > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > > >> > > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > >> > > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ___ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mai
Re: [MBZ] Mini splits
I have been thinking about it too. Would be nice to have AC in the garage in the summer. Though this July has been unseasonably mild here. Haven't run the house AC in weeks. Allan On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, at 9:49 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > I really need to get off my butt and install one in my garage. > - > Max > Charleston SC > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB to go all electric by 2030?
The decrease has been staggering, 5-6 years ago when we first installed at camp I was thinking that $1/w was great. 15 years ago $2/w was a decent price. New prices are annoyingly difficult to get, buying on the consumer retail market, like Amazon, you're still looking at $1/w, especially for 12v panels. I'd like to swap out the 100w panels we have at camp for 250w or better but then you have to talk to somebody and they want to sell you on services etc... -Curt On Friday, July 23, 2021, 11:03:18 AM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: On 2021-07-23 09:25, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > Meanwhile, I am busy ordering more solar panels for my home since the > price > has come down 40 percent. Do you know what the panels themselves cost? I was seeing 50-70 cents a rated watt in 2018-2019, but thought they went up with other building materials last year. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB to go all electric by 2030?
The thing is, they don't. Over about a 30 year span they degrade slowly but never stop producing power. Nobody knows how long they'll continue to produce or what the final level will be. Even if they break or quit producing power they're mostly just silicon and copper, very easy to recycle. Solar is a really great power producer, the problem is the greenwashing that makes people think it can be the ONLY power producer. Ideally we should be installing a ton of solar to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels and working out systems to more easily spin up or down as needed to make up for shortfalls in renewables. -Curt On Friday, July 23, 2021, 9:48:35 AM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: What's your plan for disposal when the solar panels reach the end of their useful life? - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:26 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Meanwhile, I am busy ordering more solar panels for my home since the price > has come down 40 percent. > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:16 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > I guess they should have been building more nuke plants. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jul 22, 2021, at 10:56 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > I hate to rain on the EV parade, but, who is going to invest the > > critical > > > and much needed $400 Trillion in building new electrical generation and > > > transmission lines to support all these new EV vehicles, in the next 9 > > > years? > > > Graphic example: California just ordered all EV vehicles NOT to charge, > > > because the power transmission lines were at peak load and could not > meet > > > the expected charging demands. > > > Record heat, record AC use, forest fires caused by overheated and > sagging > > > transmission lines... etc etc... repeat across Europe. > > > Presently, there is serious discussion about shutting down Hoover Dam > > > because of extreme drought. The water level in Lake Meade is lower than > > it > > > has been in 50 years. > > > Mining for EV battery materials and critical component materials is in > > > extreme short supply, for the projected future. > > > Large power plants historically take 20 or more years to build, Large > > > transformers have lead times measured in years. Transmission lines? Who > > > knows for sure, few have been built in the past 40 years. Steel for > > > towers... made in the steel mills in China... Wire for lines... ? Who > > mines > > > the raw materials and what is the real lead time to make thousands of > > miles > > > of new transmission lines? > > > Asking for a friend. > > > > > >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 7:55 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/mercedes-benz-go-all-electric-2030-n1274708 > > >> > > >> Plans to invest more than $47 billion by 2030 to develop > > battery-electric > > >> vehicles, and be ready for an all-electric car market by 2030. > > >> > > >> Spending on traditional combustion-engine technology "close to zero" > by > > >> 2025. > > >> ___ > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB to go all electric by 2030?
On 2021-07-23 09:25, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Meanwhile, I am busy ordering more solar panels for my home since the price has come down 40 percent. Do you know what the panels themselves cost? I was seeing 50-70 cents a rated watt in 2018-2019, but thought they went up with other building materials last year. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Red death
Again the vaccine is not a cure, it doesn't mean you can't be infected although that would be the ideal. It means your body is more prepared to fight an infection should one occur.The death rate staying very low while infections rise seems to bear out that idea although as others have mentioned many of the weakest have already been killed off. I'm still interested to see the data in the future that might explain why young, seemingly healthy, people seem to just up and die while older folks with multiple co-morbidities sometimes manage to survive. My pet theory is that over-cleanliness causes some (mostly younger) folks to not have as highly developed immune systems. I'm personally amazed that all the fools in the house across the street from me have somehow managed to survive. No masks, big groups, booze, drugs, etc. Grandma and grandpa recently retired, both are massively overweight, breathing issues etc. By the normal assumptions for covid they were goners. -Curt On Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:10:05 PM EDT, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Yeah, I heard something about most of those getting hit with the delta variant were already jabbed, so the vax seems to be no good for it. Anyone else hear that? At first I thought I heard wrong, was some radio show. Max Dillon Charleston SC Jul 22, 2021 4:18:31 PM OK Don via Mercedes : > Apparently the delta variant is killing a higher percentage of young people > now. > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 11:40 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Correct, if you believe in evolution, then it should be easy to understand >> that the virus will mutate (evolve) to become (a) more infectious and (b) >> less deadly. Killing the host is not a good way to spread, just want to >> reproduce and spread. Survival of the fittest. The first wave of the >> original virus has killed off the most vulnerable, that alone should reduce >> the deaths this time around. >> >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> >> >> Jul 22, 2021 12:26:59 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes : >> >>> It is impossible to contain a virus that has become endemic. The OC43 >> coronavirus likely caused an epidemic in the mid 1800's. It is now a common >> cold. That's how coronavirus' work. If they killed their hosts, the virus >> would burn itself out (see "ebola"). They become easier to spread, but less >> lethal. This particular virus will mutate to become another cold virus. >> Whether or not the media and the politicians will admit that is another >> story. >>> >>> Secondary assignment. Look up ADE, and for bonus credit look up Original >> Antigenic Sin. >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Sent: July 22, 2021 11:07 AM >>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Cc: curtlud...@yahoo.com >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Red death >>> >>> The 2+ week lag is always interesting. I also find it interesting that >> they'll talk about the number of cases but "forget" to mention that the >> death rate is way down... >>> -Curt >>> >>> On Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:59:30 AM EDT, Randy Bennell via >> Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> >> https://twitter.com/CDCgov/status/1417952565686382592?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet >>> >>> due to gatherings on the 4th of July likely - up 52.5% from the previous >>> week >>> >>> >>> >>> On 21/07/2021 6:38 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: The media is getting the fear going again and j bet we are fixing to be >> locked down again. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http:
Re: [MBZ] 1991 ????? $1,000
Did you buy it yet? How rusty is it? How many forward speeds in that manny tranny? - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 2:56 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Any questions? > > > https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/cto/d/wheatfield-1991-mercedes-benz/7354590859.html > > Allan > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB to go all electric by 2030?
> What's your plan for disposal when the solar panels reach the end of their > useful life? 1) Base substrate material for vitrification of high-level nuclear waste. 2) Shingles. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mini splits
I really need to get off my butt and install one in my garage. - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB to go all electric by 2030?
What's your plan for disposal when the solar panels reach the end of their useful life? - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:26 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Meanwhile, I am busy ordering more solar panels for my home since the price > has come down 40 percent. > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:16 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > I guess they should have been building more nuke plants. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jul 22, 2021, at 10:56 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > I hate to rain on the EV parade, but, who is going to invest the > > critical > > > and much needed $400 Trillion in building new electrical generation and > > > transmission lines to support all these new EV vehicles, in the next 9 > > > years? > > > Graphic example: California just ordered all EV vehicles NOT to charge, > > > because the power transmission lines were at peak load and could not > meet > > > the expected charging demands. > > > Record heat, record AC use, forest fires caused by overheated and > sagging > > > transmission lines... etc etc... repeat across Europe. > > > Presently, there is serious discussion about shutting down Hoover Dam > > > because of extreme drought. The water level in Lake Meade is lower than > > it > > > has been in 50 years. > > > Mining for EV battery materials and critical component materials is in > > > extreme short supply, for the projected future. > > > Large power plants historically take 20 or more years to build, Large > > > transformers have lead times measured in years. Transmission lines? Who > > > knows for sure, few have been built in the past 40 years. Steel for > > > towers... made in the steel mills in China... Wire for lines... ? Who > > mines > > > the raw materials and what is the real lead time to make thousands of > > miles > > > of new transmission lines? > > > Asking for a friend. > > > > > >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 7:55 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/mercedes-benz-go-all-electric-2030-n1274708 > > >> > > >> Plans to invest more than $47 billion by 2030 to develop > > battery-electric > > >> vehicles, and be ready for an all-electric car market by 2030. > > >> > > >> Spending on traditional combustion-engine technology "close to zero" > by > > >> 2025. > > >> ___ > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB to go all electric by 2030?
Meanwhile, I am busy ordering more solar panels for my home since the price has come down 40 percent. On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:16 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I guess they should have been building more nuke plants. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 22, 2021, at 10:56 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > I hate to rain on the EV parade, but, who is going to invest the > critical > > and much needed $400 Trillion in building new electrical generation and > > transmission lines to support all these new EV vehicles, in the next 9 > > years? > > Graphic example: California just ordered all EV vehicles NOT to charge, > > because the power transmission lines were at peak load and could not meet > > the expected charging demands. > > Record heat, record AC use, forest fires caused by overheated and sagging > > transmission lines... etc etc... repeat across Europe. > > Presently, there is serious discussion about shutting down Hoover Dam > > because of extreme drought. The water level in Lake Meade is lower than > it > > has been in 50 years. > > Mining for EV battery materials and critical component materials is in > > extreme short supply, for the projected future. > > Large power plants historically take 20 or more years to build, Large > > transformers have lead times measured in years. Transmission lines? Who > > knows for sure, few have been built in the past 40 years. Steel for > > towers... made in the steel mills in China... Wire for lines... ? Who > mines > > the raw materials and what is the real lead time to make thousands of > miles > > of new transmission lines? > > Asking for a friend. > > > >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 7:55 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/mercedes-benz-go-all-electric-2030-n1274708 > >> > >> Plans to invest more than $47 billion by 2030 to develop > battery-electric > >> vehicles, and be ready for an all-electric car market by 2030. > >> > >> Spending on traditional combustion-engine technology "close to zero" by > >> 2025. > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB to go all electric by 2030?
I guess they should have been building more nuke plants. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 22, 2021, at 10:56 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > I hate to rain on the EV parade, but, who is going to invest the critical > and much needed $400 Trillion in building new electrical generation and > transmission lines to support all these new EV vehicles, in the next 9 > years? > Graphic example: California just ordered all EV vehicles NOT to charge, > because the power transmission lines were at peak load and could not meet > the expected charging demands. > Record heat, record AC use, forest fires caused by overheated and sagging > transmission lines... etc etc... repeat across Europe. > Presently, there is serious discussion about shutting down Hoover Dam > because of extreme drought. The water level in Lake Meade is lower than it > has been in 50 years. > Mining for EV battery materials and critical component materials is in > extreme short supply, for the projected future. > Large power plants historically take 20 or more years to build, Large > transformers have lead times measured in years. Transmission lines? Who > knows for sure, few have been built in the past 40 years. Steel for > towers... made in the steel mills in China... Wire for lines... ? Who mines > the raw materials and what is the real lead time to make thousands of miles > of new transmission lines? > Asking for a friend. > >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 7:55 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> >> https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/mercedes-benz-go-all-electric-2030-n1274708 >> >> Plans to invest more than $47 billion by 2030 to develop battery-electric >> vehicles, and be ready for an all-electric car market by 2030. >> >> Spending on traditional combustion-engine technology "close to zero" by >> 2025. >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Red death
Enough. This thread is closed. ListMom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Red death
"Suicides outpaced COVID deaths 20-fold among those 18 and younger in 2020" in California, which saw some of the harshest lockdowns. https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/kids-suicide-and-mental-health-hospitalizations-spiked-amid-covid Do we really want to go back and try to kill more kids? So happy I live in a state / county that only let that nonsense go on for a few months. - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB to go all electric by 2030?
https://www.amusingplanet.com/2018/10/when-blowing-smoke-up-your-ass-was-real.html This device was made just for all who believe the wind / solar will fix everything myth. On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 9:09 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Haven't you heard? Solar and wind, man. That will fix it all. > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2021, at 11:55 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > I hate to rain on the EV parade, but, who is going to invest the critical > > and much needed $400 Trillion in building new electrical generation and > > transmission lines to support all these new EV vehicles, in the next 9 > > years? > > Graphic example: California just ordered all EV vehicles NOT to charge, > > because the power transmission lines were at peak load and could not meet > > the expected charging demands. > > Record heat, record AC use, forest fires caused by overheated and sagging > > transmission lines... etc etc... repeat across Europe. > > Presently, there is serious discussion about shutting down Hoover Dam > > because of extreme drought. The water level in Lake Meade is lower than > it > > has been in 50 years. > > Mining for EV battery materials and critical component materials is in > > extreme short supply, for the projected future. > > Large power plants historically take 20 or more years to build, Large > > transformers have lead times measured in years. Transmission lines? Who > > knows for sure, few have been built in the past 40 years. Steel for > > towers... made in the steel mills in China... Wire for lines... ? Who > mines > > the raw materials and what is the real lead time to make thousands of > miles > > of new transmission lines? > > Asking for a friend. > > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 7:55 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/mercedes-benz-go-all-electric-2030-n1274708 > > > > > > Plans to invest more than $47 billion by 2030 to develop > battery-electric > > > vehicles, and be ready for an all-electric car market by 2030. > > > > > > Spending on traditional combustion-engine technology "close to zero" by > > > 2025. > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
