Re: [MBZ] Realtor Spec W210 with 49k miles - $6,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Possibly fractured the link. Remove the trailing backslash.

https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/franklin-2001-mercedes-e320/7419128618.html

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021, at 12:46 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> Less than an hour away, but must be the worst color combination for that body.
>
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/franklin-2001-mercedes-e320/7419128618.html\
>
> Allan
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[MBZ] Realtor Spec W210 with 49k miles - $6,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Less than an hour away, but must be the worst color combination for that body.

https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/franklin-2001-mercedes-e320/7419128618.html\

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] The 300SD is home

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

FWIW I have been using M1 ATF in my W123 and W116 with no troubles.


On Fri, Dec 10, 2021, at 5:27 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> As I recall the 722.3/4 takes about 8 quarts, give or take a few, for a 
> full drain/refill. I second Jaime's recommendation for the Febi fluid. 
> FCP Euro often has specials on it, it's not expensive.
>
> -D
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Craig via 
> Mercedes 
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 5:23 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Craig 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] The 300SD is home
>
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 16:47:54 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
>> Service manual is available here:
>> https://handbook.w116.org
>
> I found that website, but it does not have information about servicing
> the transmission.
>
>
>> Trans fluid change should be about the same procedure as the 300D 2.5,
>> just easier to work on the W116 since things aren't so tight.  Use Febi
>> 08971 ATF.  Same for the power steering.
>
> How much fluid does it take?
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 6.9

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Car looks familiar.  About 30 years ago I test drove one with the same oogy
velour interior.  Can't remember the exterior color.  Driver's seat had a
big divot in the foam - supposedly the owner always wore his gun in a
holster, which wore a hole in the seat.

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 10:41 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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>
> https://www.copart.com/lot/68434321/clean-title-1977-mercedes-benz-450sel6-9-tx-houston
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[MBZ] 6.9

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

https://www.copart.com/lot/68434321/clean-title-1977-mercedes-benz-450sel6-9-tx-houston


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Re: [MBZ] Clay, did you see this?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

52 y.o. plane.  Must have 1 million miles already.

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 9:34 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Any landing that you can walk away from is a good one. If you can reuse the
> airplane, it's a great one.
>
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 6:50 PM Clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > There was no time to lower them.  He got up, made most of two miles as
> the
> > crow flies, before having to come back down.  I am sure all was going
> well
> > when wheels went up, and went wrong in time to slide on the tarmac of the
> > old airport.
> >
> > Clay
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 10, 2021, at 1:03 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Wheels-up in a DC3?
> > > That won't buff out, even if he landed in snow.
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Wernher
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Re: [MBZ] Lift oil drain bucket

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Get or make a barrel dolly, get a 45 gallon barrel and a big funnel.


On 12/10/2021 8:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
I decided to sign up for HF inside track in order to use the 20% 
coupon and bought 1 high lift stand for the lift.  Tomorrow I will buy 
the next one, then Sunday will buy a lift drain bucket (can only use 
the coupon once a day).  Anyway, should I get this one:


https://www.harborfreight.com/5-gallon-oil-drain-dolly-90582.html

Or splurge and get this one, would use 20% off on either one:

https://www.harborfreight.com/20-gallon-portable-oil-lift-drain-69814.html 



Anybody have either one?


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[MBZ] Lift oil drain bucket

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I decided to sign up for HF inside track in order to use the 20% coupon 
and bought 1 high lift stand for the lift.  Tomorrow I will buy the next 
one, then Sunday will buy a lift drain bucket (can only use the coupon 
once a day).  Anyway, should I get this one:


https://www.harborfreight.com/5-gallon-oil-drain-dolly-90582.html

Or splurge and get this one, would use 20% off on either one:

https://www.harborfreight.com/20-gallon-portable-oil-lift-drain-69814.html

Anybody have either one?


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Re: [MBZ] Clay, did you see this?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Any landing that you can walk away from is a good one. If you can reuse the
airplane, it's a great one.

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 6:50 PM Clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> There was no time to lower them.  He got up, made most of two miles as the
> crow flies, before having to come back down.  I am sure all was going well
> when wheels went up, and went wrong in time to slide on the tarmac of the
> old airport.
>
> Clay
>
>
>
> > On Dec 10, 2021, at 1:03 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Wheels-up in a DC3?
> > That won't buff out, even if he landed in snow.
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Re: [MBZ] 2011 Mercedes Benz C300: Code P0410 - Secondary Air Injection System Malfunction

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

FWIW.
Most European cars of that era have secondary air pumps.
The concertina pipes that connect the air pump to the EGR system turn into
Rice Krispies after about 10 years.
Leaky tubes will set an alarm.
YMMV.
Fred

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 7:36 PM Robert Koziak via Mercedes <
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> Hi all,
>   My daughter's 2011 C300 (90K)  had a check engine light with a code
> P0410 indicating an issue with the secondary air pump.  I replaced the
> secondary pump (which was evidently seized) and reset the code.  Drove it
> about 50 miles with no check engine light so I returned the car and started
> a vacation about 4 hours away.
>  She drove the car and a few hours ago and the check engine light came
> back with the same code.  Should I have replaced the relay and fuse too?
> The fuse looked fine when I checked it before the repair.
>  Does anyone have a schematic of the engine fuse box which lists the
> fuse and relay locations?  I can't seem to locate a good one online.  I
> have the fuse and relay so I could have her replace them and reset the code
> to see if that fixes the problem before I return in a week.
> The secondary air pump was replaced 6 years and 60K ago by the dealer
> under warranty. Is this a common problem?
> Thanks in advance for any assistance!
> Bob K
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Re: [MBZ] The 300SD is home

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 17:38:02 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Its here:
> https://cdn.w116.org/cd/Maintenance/My72/170.pdf
> 
> 5.9 liters for a change.  300SD is a 116.120 and has a 722.120 auto
> transmission.

Thank you, Jaime.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] The 300SD is home

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 22:27:03 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> As I recall the 722.3/4 takes about 8 quarts, give or take a few, for a
> full drain/refill. I second Jaime's recommendation for the Febi fluid.
> FCP Euro often has specials on it, it's not expensive.

Thank you, Dan.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Clay, did you see this?

[Clay via Mercedes]

There was no time to lower them.  He got up, made most of two miles as the crow 
flies, before having to come back down.  I am sure all was going well when 
wheels went up, and went wrong in time to slide on the tarmac of the old 
airport.  

Clay



> On Dec 10, 2021, at 1:03 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Wheels-up in a DC3?
> That won't buff out, even if he landed in snow.

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Re: [MBZ] Clay, did you see this?

[Clay via Mercedes]

I did not witness it, but read about it in the morning news dump.  I do 
recognize the plane.  Parked out in the open a few blocks from the hacienda.  
Drive past when I venture beyond the confines of the ‘hood.  

clay 


> On Dec 10, 2021, at 11:23 AM, dan penoff.com  via 
> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> https://www.alaskasnewssource.com/2021/12/08/transnorthern-plane-makes-emergency-landing-merrill-field-no-injuries-reported/
>  
> 

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[MBZ] 2011 Mercedes Benz C300: Code P0410 - Secondary Air Injection System Malfunction

[Robert Koziak via Mercedes]

Hi all,
      My daughter's 2011 C300 (90K)  had a check engine light with a code P0410 
indicating an issue with the secondary air pump.  I replaced the secondary pump 
(which was evidently seized) and reset the code.  Drove it about 50 miles with 
no check engine light so I returned the car and started a vacation about 4 
hours away.
     She drove the car and a few hours ago and the check engine light came back 
with the same code.  Should I have replaced the relay and fuse too?  The fuse 
looked fine when I checked it before the repair.  
     Does anyone have a schematic of the engine fuse box which lists the fuse 
and relay locations?  I can't seem to locate a good one online.  I have the 
fuse and relay so I could have her replace them and reset the code to see if 
that fixes the problem before I return in a week.  
    The secondary air pump was replaced 6 years and 60K ago by the dealer under 
warranty. Is this a common problem?
    Thanks in advance for any assistance!
Bob K
     
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Near me

[Robert Massmann via Mercedes]

I completed an engine swap on a 2002 BMW 525i that I had bought in an 
auction, replacement was sold as a running engine out of a 325 series car. I 
guess, I got most everything done right. Have been driving it for at least 5 
years now. No issues with the replacement engine. Previous engine had 
coolant leak into the oil and the car sat for about 6 months, cam was badly 
rusted on top.


Bob Massmann
Oregonia, Ohio

-Original Message- 
From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 3:53 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Floyd Thursby
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Near me

Needs a new engine, would be lots of work to sort out what's in there,
and worse since you don't know what happened to it.  Be easier to just
drop in a replacement if you could find one from a knacker.  Price is
too high though for a car with a bad engine.

I also see this

Old Cotton Warehouse
$59,000

listed https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3136855109966003 below
that ad, I need to move to Midville, GA and take all my cars and
impedimenta with me.  It's actually not too far from where I am now.
Looks like there might be a place to live in it too!  WOOOWOOO!

--FT


On 12/10/21 3:28 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote:
I saw this listed in Facebook Market Place. Maybe someone may be 
interested? I was thinking about but not quite sure I would be up to the 
repair job. There may be more damage than he is saying. Pistons and valve 
need to stay out of each others way or bad things happen on some engine 
design. Not sure if this is the case?


Regards,

Bob Massmann
Oregonia, Ohio

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/675693720086307



2010 Mercedes GL 350 Bluetec



About This Vehicle

Driven 128,444 miles

Automatic transmission

Exterior color: Blue · Interior color: Beige

Fuel type: Diesel

17.0 MPG city · 23.0 MPG highway · 19.0 MPG combined

This vehicle is paid off



Seller's Description

Diesel engine, timing chain jumped, and broke the camshaft. Needs upper 
engine work.

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[MBZ] More miles than JimC's Dodge

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KEJLhnwfxw

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Re: [MBZ] Clay, did you see this?

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

Wheels-up in a DC3?
That won't buff out, even if he landed in snow.

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Re: [MBZ] The 300SD is home

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2021-12-10 14:29, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
I have it, but it's... Big.  1.1GB.  IIRC tranny fluid/filter is 
simple.

Drain/drop pan, replace filter.  Remove drain plug on TC.  Put
everything back, pour in half the new fluid, start, and pour in
the remainder.


Except if it's a 1980, it might not have a TC drain plug.
My 1979 has one. I was able to put a ratchet and socket on the crank 
damper and rotate it while looking for the drain plug to get it lined up 
with the hole on the bottom. It's a bit of a reach for the ratchet with 
your head under the bell housing but its doable.


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Re: [MBZ] People are so stupid

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> What a dummy.

And, sadly, it's not going to get any better.


Rick
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[MBZ] People are so stupid

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Guy with 0% feedback bidding on ML on ebay gets pissed off when I 
message him to try to find out if he is real or not.  After we get past 
that he starts drilling me and insisting the car has a lien on it 
because the autocheck says it does.  I guess the moron is not smart 
enough to figure out that the lien was many years ago when a previous 
owner bought it.  Subsequent title transfers do not show a lien.  I 
guess he thinks because it says lien records found, that means it has a 
lien.  What a dummy.


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Re: [MBZ] The 300SD is home

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

I put Dex III (and a new filter) in the steering reservoir of my 1979 SD 
when I bought it.


I believe (but didn't double check) this is the filter.
https://www.amazon.com/Mann-Filter-H-85-MANN-FILTER/dp/B002528YEU/

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Re: [MBZ] The 300SD is home

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Its here:
https://cdn.w116.org/cd/Maintenance/My72/170.pdf

5.9 liters for a change.  300SD is a 116.120 and has a 722.120 auto
transmission.

Jaime


On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 5:24 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 16:47:54 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Service manual is available here:
> > https://handbook.w116.org
>
> I found that website, but it does not have information about servicing
> the transmission.
>
>
> > Trans fluid change should be about the same procedure as the 300D 2.5,
> > just easier to work on the W116 since things aren't so tight.  Use Febi
> > 08971 ATF.  Same for the power steering.
>
> How much fluid does it take?
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] The 300SD is home

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

As I recall the 722.3/4 takes about 8 quarts, give or take a few, for a full 
drain/refill. I second Jaime's recommendation for the Febi fluid. FCP Euro 
often has specials on it, it's not expensive.

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Craig via Mercedes 

Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 5:23 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Craig 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The 300SD is home

On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 16:47:54 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Service manual is available here:
> https://handbook.w116.org

I found that website, but it does not have information about servicing
the transmission.


> Trans fluid change should be about the same procedure as the 300D 2.5,
> just easier to work on the W116 since things aren't so tight.  Use Febi
> 08971 ATF.  Same for the power steering.

How much fluid does it take?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] The 115 lottery?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Damn, I wanted that price.

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021, 5:16 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The heater blower motor worked in the red car. It was like winning the 115
> lottery.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 10, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is there more to this lottery question?
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >> On 10/12/2021 4:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I did drive it out of the shop today and back in to move it around. The
> pedal does very little so it’s got some sort of linkage issue.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Dec 10, 2021, at 4:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Didn't we see a video of you cranking it until it ran a few days ago?
> >>> Does it now run well enough that you can drive it around?
> >>>
> >>> Randy
> >>>
>  On 10/12/2021 4:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>  Actually this involves in the red 76 I just got running.
> 
> > On 12/10/2021 4:00 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> > The Blue one you just got runs.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> > On 10/12/2021 3:59 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I wish, but no, guess again.
> >>
> >> On 12/10/2021 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> He found a bunch of green ones.
> >>>
> >>> Randy
> >>>
> >>> On 10/12/2021 3:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>  Meaning what?  Barn find that hasn't been moused?
> 
>  On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 4:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone know what it would be to hit the 115 lottery?
> >
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] The 300SD is home

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 16:47:54 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Service manual is available here:
> https://handbook.w116.org

I found that website, but it does not have information about servicing
the transmission.


> Trans fluid change should be about the same procedure as the 300D 2.5,
> just easier to work on the W116 since things aren't so tight.  Use Febi
> 08971 ATF.  Same for the power steering.

How much fluid does it take?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] The 115 lottery?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

The heater blower motor worked in the red car. It was like winning the 115 
lottery. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is there more to this lottery question?
> 
> Randy
> 
>> On 10/12/2021 4:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I did drive it out of the shop today and back in to move it around. The 
>> pedal does very little so it’s got some sort of linkage issue.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Dec 10, 2021, at 4:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Didn't we see a video of you cranking it until it ran a few days ago?
>>> Does it now run well enough that you can drive it around?
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
 On 10/12/2021 4:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 Actually this involves in the red 76 I just got running.
 
> On 12/10/2021 4:00 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> The Blue one you just got runs.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> On 10/12/2021 3:59 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I wish, but no, guess again.
>> 
>> On 12/10/2021 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>>> He found a bunch of green ones.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
>>> On 10/12/2021 3:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 Meaning what?  Barn find that hasn't been moused?
 
 On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 4:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Does anyone know what it would be to hit the 115 lottery?
> 
>>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] The 115 lottery?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Is there more to this lottery question?

Randy

On 10/12/2021 4:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I did drive it out of the shop today and back in to move it around. The pedal 
does very little so it’s got some sort of linkage issue.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 10, 2021, at 4:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
wrote:

Didn't we see a video of you cranking it until it ran a few days ago?
Does it now run well enough that you can drive it around?

Randy


On 10/12/2021 4:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Actually this involves in the red 76 I just got running.


On 12/10/2021 4:00 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
The Blue one you just got runs.

Randy


On 10/12/2021 3:59 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I wish, but no, guess again.

On 12/10/2021 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

He found a bunch of green ones.

Randy

On 10/12/2021 3:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Meaning what?  Barn find that hasn't been moused?

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 4:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Does anyone know what it would be to hit the 115 lottery?






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Re: [MBZ] The 115 lottery?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I did drive it out of the shop today and back in to move it around. The pedal 
does very little so it’s got some sort of linkage issue. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2021, at 4:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Didn't we see a video of you cranking it until it ran a few days ago?
> Does it now run well enough that you can drive it around?
> 
> Randy
> 
>> On 10/12/2021 4:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Actually this involves in the red 76 I just got running.
>> 
>>> On 12/10/2021 4:00 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>>> The Blue one you just got runs.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/12/2021 3:59 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 I wish, but no, guess again.
 
 On 12/10/2021 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> He found a bunch of green ones.
> 
> Randy
> 
> On 10/12/2021 3:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Meaning what?  Barn find that hasn't been moused?
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 4:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Does anyone know what it would be to hit the 115 lottery?
>>> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] The 115 lottery?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Didn't we see a video of you cranking it until it ran a few days ago?
Does it now run well enough that you can drive it around?

Randy

On 10/12/2021 4:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Actually this involves in the red 76 I just got running.

On 12/10/2021 4:00 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

The Blue one you just got runs.

Randy


On 10/12/2021 3:59 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I wish, but no, guess again.

On 12/10/2021 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

He found a bunch of green ones.

Randy

On 10/12/2021 3:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Meaning what?  Barn find that hasn't been moused?

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 4:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Does anyone know what it would be to hit the 115 lottery?






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Re: [MBZ] The 115 lottery?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Actually this involves in the red 76 I just got running.

On 12/10/2021 4:00 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

The Blue one you just got runs.

Randy


On 10/12/2021 3:59 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I wish, but no, guess again.

On 12/10/2021 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

He found a bunch of green ones.

Randy

On 10/12/2021 3:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Meaning what?  Barn find that hasn't been moused?

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 4:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Does anyone know what it would be to hit the 115 lottery?






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Re: [MBZ] The 115 lottery?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

The Blue one you just got runs.

Randy


On 10/12/2021 3:59 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I wish, but no, guess again.

On 12/10/2021 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

He found a bunch of green ones.

Randy

On 10/12/2021 3:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Meaning what?  Barn find that hasn't been moused?

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 4:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Does anyone know what it would be to hit the 115 lottery?






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Re: [MBZ] The 115 lottery?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I wish, but no, guess again.

On 12/10/2021 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

He found a bunch of green ones.

Randy

On 10/12/2021 3:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Meaning what?  Barn find that hasn't been moused?

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 4:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Does anyone know what it would be to hit the 115 lottery?




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Re: [MBZ] The 300SD is home

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Service manual is available here:
https://handbook.w116.org

Trans fluid change should be about the same procedure as the 300D 2.5, just
easier to work on the W116 since things aren't so tight.  Use Febi 08971
ATF.  Same for the power steering.

Good luck!
Jaime


On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 2:18 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> As the attached picture shows, the BaT 1980 300SD is now in our shop
> (aka The Big Room).
>
> Does anyone have a copy of the W116 electronic shop manuals?
>
> I'd really like the procedure for changing the transmission fluid and
> filter, considering the fiasco I had with the '93 300D/2.5 Turbo!
>
> I think I can handle engine oil and filter, power steering filter, and
> air filter.
>
> What should I use for power steering fluid? I vaguely recall using ATF in
> our '82 240D/3.0, but used the Febi stuff for W124s.
>
> Since this is our first W116, I have questions to ask, but I will leave
> them for later.
>
>
> Craig
>
> --
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>  '93 E300D/2.5 Turbo   354 kmi
>  '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville   230 kmi
>  (the Big Red Van, BRV)
>  '00 Kenworth W900  Helmut 943 kmi
>
>Past: '90 E300D/2.5 Turbo   265 kmi   RIP
>  '07 Peterbilt 386  Bruno  885 kmi
>  '95 E320   Sebastian  135 kmi   RIP
>  '94 E420   Oskar  127 kmi   RIP
>  '82 240D/3.0   Bluebell   286 kmi
>  '87 Dodge Grand Caravan RIP
>  '86 190E/2.3
>  '72 220/8
>  '61 Willys Utility Wagon
>  '59 Willys Utility Wagon
>  '67 Volkswagen Fastback
>  '64 190Dc  Emma
>  '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi
>  '69 Lotus Europa
>  '64 Alfa Romeo Turrisimo Internationale
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Re: [MBZ] The 115 lottery?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

ROFL.  He earned his luck.

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 4:22 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> He found a bunch of green ones.
>
> Randy
>
> On 10/12/2021 3:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Meaning what?  Barn find that hasn't been moused?
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 4:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Does anyone know what it would be to hit the 115 lottery?
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] The 300SD is home

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 14:55:20 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Did you have it hauled or go and drive it home?

I had it hauled.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] The 115 lottery?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

He found a bunch of green ones.

Randy

On 10/12/2021 3:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Meaning what?  Barn find that hasn't been moused?

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 4:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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Does anyone know what it would be to hit the 115 lottery?




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Re: [MBZ] The 115 lottery?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Meaning what?  Barn find that hasn't been moused?

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 4:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Does anyone know what it would be to hit the 115 lottery?
>
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[MBZ] The 115 lottery?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Does anyone know what it would be to hit the 115 lottery?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De Ville 62 series,$11,500

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 The old Metro was pretty unrefined but a fun drive. A friend had a convertible 
with the 3cyl. As they say its more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast 
car slow. I definitely would prefer a Cruze in an accident.
Just for giggles I plugged a '19 Cruze, '21 Spark and '98 Metro into fuel 
economy.gov 
Cruze 28/38 32
Spark 29/38 33
Metro 36/44 40

The Spark disappoints me. For a little crap box I'd have thought it would do 
better. It's really range limited to, they list it as 297 miles on a tank.

-Curt

On Friday, December 10, 2021, 02:37:16 PM EST, mitch--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 2021-12-10 13:39, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> It seems to me with all these advancements, instead of having engines
> that are smaller and make crap tons more power, why not have them get
> crap tons better mileage and keep the power the same? Surely these
> things should be getting 60-80 mpg my now?

30 years ago a 1600lb Metro got 50+ mpg at 55mph.
Now a 2900lb Cruze gets 50+mpg at 55mph, but a lot worse than the Metro 
around town.

It would be interesting to put a 50hp GDI engine in the Metro and see 
what mpg it gets with the same performance as before.
I kind of want to make a mid engine car out of an old Sprint/Swift/Metro 
and a Cruze/Civic drivetrain. Keep it under 2000lb and it'll run circles 
around an old R5 Turbo.

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Re: [MBZ] The 300SD is home

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Did you have it hauled or go and drive it home?

Randy


On 10/12/2021 1:17 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

As the attached picture shows, the BaT 1980 300SD is now in our shop
(aka The Big Room).

Does anyone have a copy of the W116 electronic shop manuals?

I'd really like the procedure for changing the transmission fluid and
filter, considering the fiasco I had with the '93 300D/2.5 Turbo!

I think I can handle engine oil and filter, power steering filter, and
air filter.

What should I use for power steering fluid? I vaguely recall using ATF in
our '82 240D/3.0, but used the Febi stuff for W124s.

Since this is our first W116, I have questions to ask, but I will leave
them for later.


Craig

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Present: '80 300SD 180 kmi
  '93 E300D/2.5 Turbo   354 kmi
  '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville   230 kmi
  (the Big Red Van, BRV)
  '00 Kenworth W900  Helmut 943 kmi

Past: '90 E300D/2.5 Turbo   265 kmi   RIP
  '07 Peterbilt 386  Bruno  885 kmi
  '95 E320   Sebastian  135 kmi   RIP
  '94 E420   Oskar  127 kmi   RIP
  '82 240D/3.0   Bluebell   286 kmi
  '87 Dodge Grand Caravan RIP
  '86 190E/2.3
  '72 220/8
  '61 Willys Utility Wagon
  '59 Willys Utility Wagon
  '67 Volkswagen Fastback
  '64 190Dc  Emma
  '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi
  '69 Lotus Europa
  '64 Alfa Romeo Turrisimo Internationale
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Near me

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Needs a new engine, would be lots of work to sort out what's in there, 
and worse since you don't know what happened to it.  Be easier to just 
drop in a replacement if you could find one from a knacker.  Price is 
too high though for a car with a bad engine.


I also see this

Old Cotton Warehouse
$59,000

listed https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3136855109966003 below 
that ad, I need to move to Midville, GA and take all my cars and 
impedimenta with me.  It's actually not too far from where I am now.  
Looks like there might be a place to live in it too!  WOOOWOOO!


--FT


On 12/10/21 3:28 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote:

I saw this listed in Facebook Market Place. Maybe someone may be interested? I 
was thinking about but not quite sure I would be up to the repair job. There 
may be more damage than he is saying. Pistons and valve need to stay out of 
each others way or bad things happen on some engine design. Not sure if this is 
the case?

Regards,

Bob Massmann
Oregonia, Ohio

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/675693720086307



2010 Mercedes GL 350 Bluetec



About This Vehicle

Driven 128,444 miles

Automatic transmission

Exterior color: Blue · Interior color: Beige

Fuel type: Diesel

17.0 MPG city · 23.0 MPG highway · 19.0 MPG combined

This vehicle is paid off



Seller's Description

Diesel engine, timing chain jumped, and broke the camshaft. Needs upper engine 
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Re: [MBZ] The 300SD is home

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Sure is pretty Craig.
IIRC the rule of thumb for power steering is that if it's got V belts it uses 
ATF and a serpentine belt wants the other stuff. ATF seemed to kill the seals 
in the unit on my '85 190D...
I think the 116 is one of the best looking models, certainly nothing since it 
has been anywhere near as classy. I think they're great to drive too.
-Curt

On Friday, December 10, 2021, 02:18:45 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 As the attached picture shows, the BaT 1980 300SD is now in our shop
(aka The Big Room).

Does anyone have a copy of the W116 electronic shop manuals?

I'd really like the procedure for changing the transmission fluid and
filter, considering the fiasco I had with the '93 300D/2.5 Turbo!

I think I can handle engine oil and filter, power steering filter, and
air filter.

What should I use for power steering fluid? I vaguely recall using ATF in
our '82 240D/3.0, but used the Febi stuff for W124s.

Since this is our first W116, I have questions to ask, but I will leave
them for later.


Craig

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        '93 E300D/2.5 Turbo          354 kmi
        '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville  230 kmi
                (the Big Red Van, BRV)
        '00 Kenworth W900  Helmut    943 kmi

  Past: '90 E300D/2.5 Turbo          265 kmi  RIP
        '07 Peterbilt 386  Bruno      885 kmi
        '95 E320          Sebastian  135 kmi  RIP
        '94 E420          Oskar      127 kmi  RIP
        '82 240D/3.0      Bluebell  286 kmi
        '87 Dodge Grand Caravan                RIP
        '86 190E/2.3
        '72 220/8
        '61 Willys Utility Wagon
        '59 Willys Utility Wagon
        '67 Volkswagen Fastback
        '64 190Dc          Emma
        '72 220D/8        Herman    186 kmi
        '69 Lotus Europa
        '64 Alfa Romeo Turrisimo Internationale
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[MBZ] Mercedes Near me

[Robert Massmann via Mercedes]

I saw this listed in Facebook Market Place. Maybe someone may be interested? I 
was thinking about but not quite sure I would be up to the repair job. There 
may be more damage than he is saying. Pistons and valve need to stay out of 
each others way or bad things happen on some engine design. Not sure if this is 
the case?

Regards,

Bob Massmann
Oregonia, Ohio

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/675693720086307



2010 Mercedes GL 350 Bluetec



About This Vehicle

Driven 128,444 miles

Automatic transmission

Exterior color: Blue · Interior color: Beige

Fuel type: Diesel

17.0 MPG city · 23.0 MPG highway · 19.0 MPG combined

This vehicle is paid off



Seller's Description

Diesel engine, timing chain jumped, and broke the camshaft. Needs upper engine 
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[MBZ] Clay, did you see this?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

https://www.alaskasnewssource.com/2021/12/08/transnorthern-plane-makes-emergency-landing-merrill-field-no-injuries-reported/

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TransNorthern plane makes emergency landing at Merrill Field, no injuries 
reported
Johnson said the plane took off from Ted Stevens Anchorage International 
Airport and was headed to Kodiak Airport. According to Federal Aviation 
Administration records, the plane is a 1952 manufacturer year aircraft that is 
powered by turbo propellers. “They departed from Anchorage International, 
originally headed to Kodiak, had a loss of engine power very shortly after 
takeoff, made the ...
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-D
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Re: [MBZ] $900E500 Airmatic craziness, update

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I fooled around with the car a bit this afternoon.  Pulled the RR inner 
fender liner and found the connector for the sensors, took those apart 
and cleaned them and sprayed cleaner then swabbed them out.  It was 
actually fairly clean around the block although a bit dirty.  I hosed it 
all down under the liner, there was a lot of dirt in there.  The liner 
was kinda chewed up so not sure if that is just wear and tear or 
someone(s) has been in there before.  I took the heat gun and dried 
everything out in the connector just to make sure it was all clean, 
looked good and was dry.


There is another connector back around the diff that seems to connect to 
both sides, it is in a stupid place where it can get a lot of water and 
crap.  It was not particularly dirty but when I took it apart water ran 
out of the wires and connector.  h not good.  So I sprayed that with 
cleaner, swabbed it with alcohol and hit it with the heat and it got dry 
so that was good.  I will wrap it with something when I'm all done.


Started the car up and cleared codes, it ran for awhile with no codes 
showing but the air pump would not come on.  The car is jacked up so 
maybe it needs to be down for that to happen.  I jumpered the relay 
again and the pump worked so it is not turning on.  It pumped up and did 
hold pressure in the system fairly well so does not seem to be much 
leakage.  While I have the car up and tires off I should test the 
connection with some soapy water to make sure there are no leaks


After awhile I got the RR code again, solenoids open circuit, so I guess 
it was not the connectors.  Maybe the bag is bad inside where these 
solenoids are.  It also threw a code for the relay then, maybe that was 
due to me fooling around with it.  New relays coming tomorrow so can 
swap one out.  I will also get the fender liners and tires back on and 
drop it on the ground and see what happens.  With it on the ground I 
will put the Majick Computer on it and see what I can make it do.


Given the car was OK before with the same RR solenoid codes it is kind 
of a puzzlement as to why it was slammed after doing the tranny.


More to come...

--
--FT


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Re: [MBZ] Flip For Dan?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I haven't done the research. Good to know.
Thanks.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: December 10, 2021 12:29 PM
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Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Flip For Dan?

On 2021-12-10 12:12, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>> > That sucks. No amenities = no seat heaters I take it
>
>
>> Don't need those much in Flagstaff or Tampa.
>
>
> I was thinking about the prospect of bringing a *rust free* vehicle
> North. As a resident of Michigan, surely you can appreciate that.

When you find one with seat heaters, you might want to find out what if
anything was done about them in the class action suit. I forget what the
choices were, but in typical procrastinator fashion I ended up with the
default, which I believe was a short term warranty extension so they'd
rewire the seats after my ML caught fire.

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Re: [MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De Ville 62 series,$11,500

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2021-12-10 13:39, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

It seems to me with all these advancements, instead of having engines
that are smaller and make crap tons more power, why not have them get
crap tons better mileage and keep the power the same? Surely these
things should be getting 60-80 mpg my now?


30 years ago a 1600lb Metro got 50+ mpg at 55mph.
Now a 2900lb Cruze gets 50+mpg at 55mph, but a lot worse than the Metro 
around town.


It would be interesting to put a 50hp GDI engine in the Metro and see 
what mpg it gets with the same performance as before.
I kind of want to make a mid engine car out of an old Sprint/Swift/Metro 
and a Cruze/Civic drivetrain. Keep it under 2000lb and it'll run circles 
around an old R5 Turbo.


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Re: [MBZ] The 300SD is home

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021, at 2:17 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

> I'd really like the procedure for changing the transmission fluid and
> filter, considering the fiasco I had with the '93 300D/2.5 Turbo!

I don't recall it being a big deal on my 1979 300SD.

Had a bit of trouble finding the right filter, as the "neck" on the first one I 
got was not tall enough. Or maybe it was too tall I can't recall it was a 
few years ago.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] The 300SD is home

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I have it, but it's... Big.  1.1GB.  IIRC tranny fluid/filter is simple.
Drain/drop pan, replace filter.  Remove drain plug on TC.  Put
everything back, pour in half the new fluid, start, and pour in
the remainder.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De Ville 62 series,$11,500

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Everybody "needs" an SUV or crossover. Everybody "needs" AWD.

I have no use for them.  Give me a sedan, convertible, or truck as needed.
We actually do need AWD where we live.  I really don't like the bat-out-of-hell
on the ragged edge of control 50mph run up the icy hill to try to get home in
a 2wd vehicle, with no guarantee of success, even when taking half a dozen
runs at it.  (And the hammerhead turn at the top after a failed attempt is quite
pucker-inducing, too.)  Going to have to go with the immortal words of Murtaugh
on that one... and my wife was _always_ too old.

I made it up almost every time, but there were a few walk-homes necessary.
(Killed a dog too, once, when it chose to saunter down the very middle of the
road on one of my successive rampages up the hill.  That sucked.)

The X5, or the AWD E320, with a set of studded Hakkas on it turns going
home into a non-event.  Same tires as before, just with 4wd.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De Ville 62 series,$11,500

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> The 345ci 5.7l Hemi in my 2010 Dodge RAM made 390hp 407#ft from the 
> factory.The Cadillac 500 was only rated for 400hp and 500#ft in 1970

The older Dodge truck 488ci 8.0l V10 is 300/450 on regular gas.  It's torque 
that makes a truck
a truck, and not a haul-ass grocery getter.

My rating system for vehicle power plants:

Enough power for the job
Reliability/longevity
Simplicity

The Dodge truck engines I have (6BTA, V10) both rate pretty well.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De Ville 62 series,$11,500

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> why not have them get crap tons better mileage and keep the power the same?
> Surely these things should be getting 60-80 mpg my now?

My thoughts, exactly.  Keep in mind it's torque that makes cars pleasantly
drivable, so optimize for that rather than HP.  My 200D had only what, 55HP?
But it had a fair amount of torque, and so drove rather nicely around town.
It was only on the freeway that the lack of HP became noticeable.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De Ville 62 series,$11,500

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 You'd think. The sheep mindlessly want more power and big vehicles. Big 
vehicles make more money for the carmaker. If you think about it what you're 
really buying in a more expensive, larger vehicle, is air.
Look at the new hybrids, they're not sedans, they're mostly SUVs or crossovers. 
Then they say "Look at the great mileage you're getting!" which is 25mpg 
instead of 50mpg in a sedan.
We live in a world of lifestyle creep. Everybody "needs" an SUV or crossover. 
Everybody "needs" AWD. Everybody "needs" a big house etc, etc, ad nauseum.
-Curt

On Friday, December 10, 2021, 01:39:52 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 It seems to me with all these advancements, instead of having engines that are 
smaller and make crap tons more power, why not have them get crap tons better 
mileage and keep the power the same? Surely these things should be getting 
60-80 mpg my now?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Realistically a modern 350 can easily make more hp/torque than a '50s 
> vintage slow turning big Cadillac engine while using way less fuel and 
> requiring way less maintenance.
> The 345ci 5.7l Hemi in my 2010 Dodge RAM made 390hp 407#ft from the 
> factory.The Cadillac 500 was only rated for 400hp and 500#ft in 1970 and of 
> course it went down after the emissions restrictions of the mid-'70s.
> Interestingly the Caddy only weighs about 50# more...
> The Ford 3.5l v6 ecoboost in the Raptor F150 is rated at 450/510 and comes in 
> at 100# less (about 20%!). In the Ford GT the same engine is turned up to 
> 660/550 although it spins faster to make that extra power.
> The technology in modern engines is amazing and a lot of it is available to 
> home gamers. Check out the Independence build on Vice Grip Garage, he's got 
> Holley's aftermarket EFI on a big block Chevy with a supercharger...
> 
> 
> -Curt
> 
>    On Friday, December 10, 2021, 12:31:47 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> wrote:  
> 
>  I don't want it but it is an interesting car. I doubt there was much 
> point in putting a small block with aluminum heads etc in it or a shift 
> kit in the transmission. That beast needs big cubic inches and tons of 
> torque rather than high rpm horsepower. Maybe a 472 or 500 cid Cadillac 
> engine if it will fit or a diesel out of a 3/4 ton pickup truck.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
>> On 10/12/2021 11:24 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> The "Rural King" battery gives me great confidence in the work done on the 
>> car by this owner.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Floyd Thursby 
>> via Mercedes 
>> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 10:40 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Floyd Thursby 
>> Subject: [MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De Ville 
>> 62 series,$11,500
>> 
>> This is cool
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/398474382017919
>> 
>> --
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>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De Ville 62 series,$11,500

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Agreed. Just seemed to sort of tie everything together on that listing.

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curt Raymond via 
Mercedes 
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Cc: Curt Raymond 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De 
Ville 62 series,$11,500

Looks like that is true: https://www.cartechbooks.com/blogs/techtips/battery
Different quality standards go into some of them but they're a commodity...
I used to really like CarQuest batteries, not sure what to get now that they're 
gone.
-Curt

On Friday, December 10, 2021, 01:29:45 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:

 I've always heard that almost all car batteries sold in the USA are made by 
Johnson Controls or Exide. If that's still true, the branding on the battery 
probably doesn't make a lot of difference.

Allan

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021, at 12:27 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> On 2021-12-10 12:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> The "Rural King" battery gives me great confidence in the work done on
>> the car by this owner.
>
> My dad bought all his batteries at Tractor Supply, and they were
> generally pretty long lasting.
>
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Re: [MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De Ville 62 series,$11,500

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

It seems to me with all these advancements, instead of having engines that are 
smaller and make crap tons more power, why not have them get crap tons better 
mileage and keep the power the same? Surely these things should be getting 
60-80 mpg my now?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Realistically a modern 350 can easily make more hp/torque than a '50s 
> vintage slow turning big Cadillac engine while using way less fuel and 
> requiring way less maintenance.
> The 345ci 5.7l Hemi in my 2010 Dodge RAM made 390hp 407#ft from the 
> factory.The Cadillac 500 was only rated for 400hp and 500#ft in 1970 and of 
> course it went down after the emissions restrictions of the mid-'70s.
> Interestingly the Caddy only weighs about 50# more...
> The Ford 3.5l v6 ecoboost in the Raptor F150 is rated at 450/510 and comes in 
> at 100# less (about 20%!). In the Ford GT the same engine is turned up to 
> 660/550 although it spins faster to make that extra power.
> The technology in modern engines is amazing and a lot of it is available to 
> home gamers. Check out the Independence build on Vice Grip Garage, he's got 
> Holley's aftermarket EFI on a big block Chevy with a supercharger...
> 
> 
> -Curt
> 
>On Friday, December 10, 2021, 12:31:47 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
>   I don't want it but it is an interesting car. I doubt there was much 
> point in putting a small block with aluminum heads etc in it or a shift 
> kit in the transmission. That beast needs big cubic inches and tons of 
> torque rather than high rpm horsepower. Maybe a 472 or 500 cid Cadillac 
> engine if it will fit or a diesel out of a 3/4 ton pickup truck.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
>> On 10/12/2021 11:24 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> The "Rural King" battery gives me great confidence in the work done on the 
>> car by this owner.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Floyd Thursby 
>> via Mercedes 
>> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 10:40 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Floyd Thursby 
>> Subject: [MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De Ville 
>> 62 series,$11,500
>> 
>> This is cool
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/398474382017919
>> 
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>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De Ville 62 series,$11,500

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Looks like that is true: https://www.cartechbooks.com/blogs/techtips/battery
Different quality standards go into some of them but they're a commodity...
I used to really like CarQuest batteries, not sure what to get now that they're 
gone.
-Curt

On Friday, December 10, 2021, 01:29:45 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I've always heard that almost all car batteries sold in the USA are made by 
Johnson Controls or Exide. If that's still true, the branding on the battery 
probably doesn't make a lot of difference.

Allan

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021, at 12:27 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> On 2021-12-10 12:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> The "Rural King" battery gives me great confidence in the work done on
>> the car by this owner.
>
> My dad bought all his batteries at Tractor Supply, and they were 
> generally pretty long lasting.
>
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Re: [MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De Ville 62 series,$11,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I've always heard that almost all car batteries sold in the USA are made by 
Johnson Controls or Exide. If that's still true, the branding on the battery 
probably doesn't make a lot of difference.

Allan

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021, at 12:27 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> On 2021-12-10 12:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> The "Rural King" battery gives me great confidence in the work done on
>> the car by this owner.
>
> My dad bought all his batteries at Tractor Supply, and they were 
> generally pretty long lasting.
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Re: [MBZ] Flip For Dan?

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2021-12-10 12:12, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

> That sucks. No amenities = no seat heaters I take it




Don't need those much in Flagstaff or Tampa.



I was thinking about the prospect of bringing a *rust free* vehicle
North. As a resident of Michigan, surely you can appreciate that.


When you find one with seat heaters, you might want to find out what if 
anything was done about them in the class action suit. I forget what the 
choices were, but in typical procrastinator fashion I ended up with the 
default, which I believe was a short term warranty extension so they'd 
rewire the seats after my ML caught fire.


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Re: [MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De Ville 62 series,$11,500

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2021-12-10 12:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

The "Rural King" battery gives me great confidence in the work done on
the car by this owner.


My dad bought all his batteries at Tractor Supply, and they were 
generally pretty long lasting.


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Re: [MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De Ville 62 series,$11,500

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Realistically a modern 350 can easily make more hp/torque than a '50s vintage 
slow turning big Cadillac engine while using way less fuel and requiring way 
less maintenance.
The 345ci 5.7l Hemi in my 2010 Dodge RAM made 390hp 407#ft from the factory.The 
Cadillac 500 was only rated for 400hp and 500#ft in 1970 and of course it went 
down after the emissions restrictions of the mid-'70s.
Interestingly the Caddy only weighs about 50# more...
The Ford 3.5l v6 ecoboost in the Raptor F150 is rated at 450/510 and comes in 
at 100# less (about 20%!). In the Ford GT the same engine is turned up to 
660/550 although it spins faster to make that extra power.
The technology in modern engines is amazing and a lot of it is available to 
home gamers. Check out the Independence build on Vice Grip Garage, he's got 
Holley's aftermarket EFI on a big block Chevy with a supercharger...


-Curt

On Friday, December 10, 2021, 12:31:47 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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   I don't want it but it is an interesting car. I doubt there was much 
point in putting a small block with aluminum heads etc in it or a shift 
kit in the transmission. That beast needs big cubic inches and tons of 
torque rather than high rpm horsepower. Maybe a 472 or 500 cid Cadillac 
engine if it will fit or a diesel out of a 3/4 ton pickup truck.

Randy


On 10/12/2021 11:24 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> The "Rural King" battery gives me great confidence in the work done on the 
> car by this owner.
>
> -D
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Floyd Thursby via 
> Mercedes 
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 10:40 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Floyd Thursby 
> Subject: [MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De Ville 
> 62 series,$11,500
>
> This is cool
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/398474382017919
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Re: [MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De Ville 62 series,$11,500

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

 I don't want it but it is an interesting car. I doubt there was much 
point in putting a small block with aluminum heads etc in it or a shift 
kit in the transmission. That beast needs big cubic inches and tons of 
torque rather than high rpm horsepower. Maybe a 472 or 500 cid Cadillac 
engine if it will fit or a diesel out of a 3/4 ton pickup truck.


Randy


On 10/12/2021 11:24 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

The "Rural King" battery gives me great confidence in the work done on the car 
by this owner.

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Floyd Thursby via 
Mercedes 
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 10:40 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Floyd Thursby 
Subject: [MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De Ville 62 
series,$11,500

This is cool

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/398474382017919

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Re: [MBZ] Flip For Dan?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I can. Want me to check it out if it's still available this weekend? I'll be 
back in Tampa on Saturday.

-D

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Rick Knoble via 
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Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 12:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Flip For Dan?

> > That sucks. No amenities = no seat heaters I take it


> Don't need those much in Flagstaff or Tampa.


I was thinking about the prospect of bringing a *rust free* vehicle North. As a 
resident of Michigan, surely you can appreciate that.


Rick

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Re: [MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De Ville 62 series,$11,500

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

The "Rural King" battery gives me great confidence in the work done on the car 
by this owner.

-D

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Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 10:40 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De Ville 62 
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This is cool

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Re: [MBZ] Flip For Dan?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> > That sucks. No amenities = no seat heaters I take it


> Don't need those much in Flagstaff or Tampa.


I was thinking about the prospect of bringing a *rust free* vehicle North. As a 
resident of Michigan, surely you can appreciate that.


Rick

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Re: [MBZ] Where's the hood stack?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

"The person i purchased the vehicle from was a ghetto mechanic"

and I am a dumbass

FIFY

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On 12/10/21 11:07 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  What a train wreck...I'd like to know what happened when he finally realized 
the trunk was rusted out and the rear end was moving around...
-Curt

 On Friday, December 10, 2021, 10:40:59 AM EST, mitch--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:
  
  Where did the dumbasses go before Facebook W123 group?


Oh, yeah...

I cut 2" off my springs and now my suspension is messed up.

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/weird-noise-in-rear-suspension.1983065/

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Re: [MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De Ville 62 series,$11,500

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Run away. Half-assed restoration. Intractable or stubborn problems remain.

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> This is cool
>
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Re: [MBZ] Where's the hood stack?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Some of them were and maybe still are on that other MB forum.


On 10/12/2021 8:40 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:

Where did the dumbasses go before Facebook W123 group?

Oh, yeah...

I cut 2" off my springs and now my suspension is messed up.

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/weird-noise-in-rear-suspension.1983065/





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Re: [MBZ] Pristine 450SL C on BAT

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On 2021-12-10 10:05, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

So rare to find one that has been undriven.  Was $41K new.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-mercedes-benz-450slc-18/


They put R134 in a 15kmi car

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Re: [MBZ] Teal green 1999 Mercedes-Benz M-Class,$3,200

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Scarab green.

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021, 10:52 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> Unusual color, doesn't look too bad, high for the miles
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1020641038786937
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Re: [MBZ] Pristine 450SL C on BAT

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

One of my best friends in middle school was crazy about these. Was his dream 
car.


On Fri, Dec 10, 2021, at 10:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> So rare to find one that has been undriven.  Was $41K new.
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-mercedes-benz-450slc-18/
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Re: [MBZ] Where's the hood stack?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 What a train wreck...I'd like to know what happened when he finally realized 
the trunk was rusted out and the rear end was moving around...
-Curt

On Friday, December 10, 2021, 10:40:59 AM EST, mitch--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Where did the dumbasses go before Facebook W123 group?

Oh, yeah...

I cut 2" off my springs and now my suspension is messed up.

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/weird-noise-in-rear-suspension.1983065/

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[MBZ] Teal green 1999 Mercedes-Benz M-Class,$3,200

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Unusual color, doesn't look too bad, high for the miles

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1020641038786937

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[MBZ] Party wagon with stripper pole -- 2020 Mercedes-Benz sprinter 3500xd 170 extended, $119, 900

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

price is firm no low ball offers do not have to sell it

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2987635461498579

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[MBZ] Where's the hood stack?

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

Where did the dumbasses go before Facebook W123 group?

Oh, yeah...

I cut 2" off my springs and now my suspension is messed up.

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/weird-noise-in-rear-suspension.1983065/

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[MBZ] I may trade for a classic Mercedes’ -- 1953 Cadillac De Ville 62 series,$11,500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

This is cool

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/398474382017919

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Re: [MBZ] if you going to make a juck yard offer. 2005 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 500 Sedan 4D, $1, 900

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

 Too ugly to show without a crumpled cover hiding its face.

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 10:32 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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>
> Buy my POS turd
>
>
> Seller's Description
>
> Yes it has 85k miles been sitting for a long time before me. Project car
> had it for 2 years thinking I was going to get it going but all I did
> was change the suspension to gas shocks that cost me over 500 need ESP
> Brake system repair, battery , and a lot of more things. If this add is
> still up YES ITS AVAILABLE. if you going to make a juck yard offer. I
> have a trailer I can take it my self.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/311371477372649
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[MBZ] if you going to make a juck yard offer. 2005 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 500 Sedan 4D, $1, 900

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

   Buy my POS turd


   Seller's Description

Yes it has 85k miles been sitting for a long time before me. Project car 
had it for 2 years thinking I was going to get it going but all I did 
was change the suspension to gas shocks that cost me over 500 need ESP 
Brake system repair, battery , and a lot of more things. If this add is 
still up YES ITS AVAILABLE. if you going to make a juck yard offer. I 
have a trailer I can take it my self.


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/311371477372649

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[MBZ] 82 sl380 1982 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 500 E Hatchback 2D, $75

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

no loballers I don't know what I got

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Re: [MBZ] Flip For Dan?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Rarely if ever. It's not uncommon to see it on the roof before the sun comes 
up, but hard frosts here are pretty rare. If you get another few miles inland 
it can happen, and does every year or so. Makes life miserable or the 
strawberry growers, as just east of me in Plant City is the center of the 
largest concentration of strawberry farms in the country, I believe. Blueberry, 
too. Yum.

-D

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Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Flip For Dan?

On 2021-12-10 01:39, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> That sucks. No amenities = no seat heaters I take it
>

Don't need those much in Flagstaff or Tampa.

Does it ever frost in Tampa?
Happens occasionally in Lady Lake, but that's farther from the ocean.

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[MBZ] Patina -- it has never been titled in America or registered but title can be applied for 1979 Mercedes-Benz G-Class, $8, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Rusty dissolving turd.  Diesel?

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/608376437043147

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[MBZ] This looks nice -- 1985 Mercedes-Benz 300 SE,$8,500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3052925754995375

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[MBZ] No title, bill of sale only. Must buy title. Good ass price 2001 Mercedes-Benz S-Class S 430 Sedan 4D, $1, 300

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/254836429968885

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[MBZ] Looks nice, crack price -- 1993 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 E, $6, 500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Same colors as the daughter unit's E320 except with tutone

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/687335662236336

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[MBZ] Pristine 450SL C on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So rare to find one that has been undriven.  Was $41K new.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-mercedes-benz-450slc-18/
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Re: [MBZ] The transmission started slipping and the car has been parked, not sure what it needs.. 1998/Mercedes Benz E320 - $1, 675 (ZEBULON)

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Slipped when parked.

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> maybe some fluid?  It looks pretty nice
>
>
> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/zebulon-1998-mercedes-benz-e320/7418901615.html
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[MBZ] The transmission started slipping and the car has been parked, not sure what it needs.. 1998/Mercedes Benz E320 - $1, 675 (ZEBULON)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

maybe some fluid?  It looks pretty nice

https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/zebulon-1998-mercedes-benz-e320/7418901615.html

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Re: [MBZ] This might actually be a good deal

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Not sure about the black/red combination...

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Re: [MBZ] Flip For Dan?

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On 2021-12-10 01:39, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

That sucks. No amenities = no seat heaters I take it



Don't need those much in Flagstaff or Tampa.

Does it ever frost in Tampa?
Happens occasionally in Lady Lake, but that's farther from the ocean.

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