Re: [MBZ] Genny worth messing with?

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2022-07-28 18:01, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

I have a 24kW generator on my house with a 4 ton AC, to give an idea
of size versus load.


I never had any trouble starting a 1.5T AC with a 11hp pull-cord 
generator.

Has a 5-2-1 hard start kit.
When I first put it in, I was in no condition to run a new 240 line 
through the garage ceiling so I used the 15A fast blow circuit that I 
had for a mini split. 7A running, 42A locked rotor, no apparent problems 
running on a 15A fast breaker instead of the specified 20A HACR breaker.


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Re: [MBZ] Genny worth messing with?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I have a 24kW generator on my house with a 4 ton AC, to give an idea of size 
versus load.

-D

> On Jul 28, 2022, at 5:44 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Eh. Maybe not. 5 tons of AC is 17.52 kw.
> You need a smaller house.
> Or an enormous gen set.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Genny worth messing with?
> 
> Put it on a VFD, with a 2-5 second acceleration ramp.
> 
> http://www.vfds.org/single-phase-vfd-with-220v-input-output-924125.html
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: July 28, 2022 4:11 PM
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> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
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> 
> I have a 5 ton heat pump.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2022, at 3:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Won’t start his 4 ton AC unit. Inrush would kill it. A soft start cap might 
>> help, but it would be borderline.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Jul 28, 2022, at 4:41 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 
 Yes, it’s worth messing with but would likely not be adequate to run your 
 whole house.
>>> 
>>> 17.5kW would run us.  Most days it would run two of us.  It's not enough 
>>> for heat,
>>> but then, nothing would be.  (50kW service, all-electric house.)  It'd run 
>>> everything
>>> but the furnace, simultaneously I think.  We rely on wood heat when the 
>>> power is
>>> out, and we have three stoves.  Running two, one up and one down, heats the 
>>> house
>>> well.  Usually we only run one, and stay upstairs.
>>> 
>>> We either run a rope-pull 5.5kW, or Big Bertha (45kW, but 26kW in zig-zag) 
>>> cabled
>>> through a 50A breaker, which is around 11kW, when we need more.
>>> 
>>> Don't they recommend 10-12kW backup for most houses?  17.5 sounds great.
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Genny worth messing with?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Eh. Maybe not. 5 tons of AC is 17.52 kw.
You need a smaller house.
Or an enormous gen set.


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Genny worth messing with?

Put it on a VFD, with a 2-5 second acceleration ramp.

http://www.vfds.org/single-phase-vfd-with-220v-input-output-924125.html


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Genny worth messing with?

I have a 5 ton heat pump.

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> On Jul 28, 2022, at 3:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>
> Won’t start his 4 ton AC unit. Inrush would kill it. A soft start cap might 
> help, but it would be borderline.
>
> -D
>
>> On Jul 28, 2022, at 4:41 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>>
>>> Yes, it’s worth messing with but would likely not be adequate to run your 
>>> whole house.
>>
>> 17.5kW would run us.  Most days it would run two of us.  It's not enough for 
>> heat,
>> but then, nothing would be.  (50kW service, all-electric house.)  It'd run 
>> everything
>> but the furnace, simultaneously I think.  We rely on wood heat when the 
>> power is
>> out, and we have three stoves.  Running two, one up and one down, heats the 
>> house
>> well.  Usually we only run one, and stay upstairs.
>>
>> We either run a rope-pull 5.5kW, or Big Bertha (45kW, but 26kW in zig-zag) 
>> cabled
>> through a 50A breaker, which is around 11kW, when we need more.
>>
>> Don't they recommend 10-12kW backup for most houses?  17.5 sounds great.
>>
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Genny worth messing with?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Put it on a VFD, with a 2-5 second acceleration ramp.

http://www.vfds.org/single-phase-vfd-with-220v-input-output-924125.html


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Genny worth messing with?

I have a 5 ton heat pump.

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> On Jul 28, 2022, at 3:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>
> Won’t start his 4 ton AC unit. Inrush would kill it. A soft start cap might 
> help, but it would be borderline.
>
> -D
>
>> On Jul 28, 2022, at 4:41 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>>
>>> Yes, it’s worth messing with but would likely not be adequate to run your 
>>> whole house.
>>
>> 17.5kW would run us.  Most days it would run two of us.  It's not enough for 
>> heat,
>> but then, nothing would be.  (50kW service, all-electric house.)  It'd run 
>> everything
>> but the furnace, simultaneously I think.  We rely on wood heat when the 
>> power is
>> out, and we have three stoves.  Running two, one up and one down, heats the 
>> house
>> well.  Usually we only run one, and stay upstairs.
>>
>> We either run a rope-pull 5.5kW, or Big Bertha (45kW, but 26kW in zig-zag) 
>> cabled
>> through a 50A breaker, which is around 11kW, when we need more.
>>
>> Don't they recommend 10-12kW backup for most houses?  17.5 sounds great.
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Genny worth messing with?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Heh. Even less likely.

-D

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> On Jul 28, 2022, at 5:11 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a 5 ton heat pump. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2022, at 3:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Won’t start his 4 ton AC unit. Inrush would kill it. A soft start cap might 
>> help, but it would be borderline.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Jul 28, 2022, at 4:41 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 
 Yes, it’s worth messing with but would likely not be adequate to run your 
 whole house.
>>> 
>>> 17.5kW would run us.  Most days it would run two of us.  It's not enough 
>>> for heat,
>>> but then, nothing would be.  (50kW service, all-electric house.)  It'd run 
>>> everything
>>> but the furnace, simultaneously I think.  We rely on wood heat when the 
>>> power is
>>> out, and we have three stoves.  Running two, one up and one down, heats the 
>>> house
>>> well.  Usually we only run one, and stay upstairs.
>>> 
>>> We either run a rope-pull 5.5kW, or Big Bertha (45kW, but 26kW in zig-zag) 
>>> cabled
>>> through a 50A breaker, which is around 11kW, when we need more.
>>> 
>>> Don't they recommend 10-12kW backup for most houses?  17.5 sounds great.
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Genny worth messing with?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I have a 5 ton heat pump. 

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> On Jul 28, 2022, at 3:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Won’t start his 4 ton AC unit. Inrush would kill it. A soft start cap might 
> help, but it would be borderline.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2022, at 4:41 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes, it’s worth messing with but would likely not be adequate to run your 
>>> whole house.
>> 
>> 17.5kW would run us.  Most days it would run two of us.  It's not enough for 
>> heat,
>> but then, nothing would be.  (50kW service, all-electric house.)  It'd run 
>> everything
>> but the furnace, simultaneously I think.  We rely on wood heat when the 
>> power is
>> out, and we have three stoves.  Running two, one up and one down, heats the 
>> house
>> well.  Usually we only run one, and stay upstairs.
>> 
>> We either run a rope-pull 5.5kW, or Big Bertha (45kW, but 26kW in zig-zag) 
>> cabled
>> through a 50A breaker, which is around 11kW, when we need more.
>> 
>> Don't they recommend 10-12kW backup for most houses?  17.5 sounds great.
>> 
>> -- Jim
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Genny worth messing with?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Won’t start his 4 ton AC unit. Inrush would kill it. A soft start cap might 
help, but it would be borderline.

-D

> On Jul 28, 2022, at 4:41 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Yes, it’s worth messing with but would likely not be adequate to run your 
>> whole house.
> 
> 17.5kW would run us.  Most days it would run two of us.  It's not enough for 
> heat,
> but then, nothing would be.  (50kW service, all-electric house.)  It'd run 
> everything
> but the furnace, simultaneously I think.  We rely on wood heat when the power 
> is
> out, and we have three stoves.  Running two, one up and one down, heats the 
> house
> well.  Usually we only run one, and stay upstairs.
> 
> We either run a rope-pull 5.5kW, or Big Bertha (45kW, but 26kW in zig-zag) 
> cabled
> through a 50A breaker, which is around 11kW, when we need more.
> 
> Don't they recommend 10-12kW backup for most houses?  17.5 sounds great.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Genny worth messing with?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Yes, it’s worth messing with but would likely not be adequate to run your 
> whole house.

17.5kW would run us.  Most days it would run two of us.  It's not enough for 
heat,
but then, nothing would be.  (50kW service, all-electric house.)  It'd run 
everything
but the furnace, simultaneously I think.  We rely on wood heat when the power is
out, and we have three stoves.  Running two, one up and one down, heats the 
house
well.  Usually we only run one, and stay upstairs.

We either run a rope-pull 5.5kW, or Big Bertha (45kW, but 26kW in zig-zag) 
cabled
through a 50A breaker, which is around 11kW, when we need more.

Don't they recommend 10-12kW backup for most houses?  17.5 sounds great.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 280SEL 4.5 Re: 1978 Mercedes-Benz classic,$1,500

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You heeded bad advice.  This expert suggested you go to see it.  Might be a
life altering decision.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 1:23 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> too bad but prolly wise. first MB I ever drove. not a 1978 though.
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022, 1:19 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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>
> > After some conversation with our resident experts I decided not to look
> at
> > it. Sent the seller a note explaining issues, told her to let me know if
> it
> > doesn’t sell.
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iFōn
> >
> > > On Jul 28, 2022, at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Try to have a good look at the floors and the underside of the car. It
> > appears to have a couple of flat tires and that probably means it has
> been
> > sitting there for a while.  Dampness under the car can ruin it in short
> > order. A friend went to look at a nice looking older MB that had been
> > sitting in a garage with a dirt floor for years. The bottom was totally
> > rusted.
> > >
> > > Randy
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 27/07/2022 6:04 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> I’m headed up there tomorrow.  Other lookers coming the weekend.  The
> > seller is dealing with it for her neighbor.
> > >>
> > >> I’m thinking this is an old dead guy’s car. It’s probably a project
> > that has been sitting for some time and the widder is finally parting
> with
> > it.  Or maybe it was a driver, ran when parked?  A “barn find.”  Could be
> > interesting. The new pics she added show it is in fairly decent condition
> > (best I can tell) and looks complete.
> > >>
> > >> I shall report tomorrow.
> > >>
> > >> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Genny worth messing with?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Depends on the house, I'm pretty sure it would run my place with no issues but 
we're notoriously frugal...


-Curt



On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 03:54:27 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote: 


J series water cooled unit, 17.5 RDJC. Sort of the 240D of the Onan product 
line at the time, with the air cooled diesel (DJC) being the pinnacle and the 
water cooled variant (RDJC) being close behind.

Yes, it’s worth messing with but would likely not be adequate to run your whole 
house.

-D

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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/748115906239416/
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Re: [MBZ] Genny worth messing with?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

What issues is it likely to have?

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> On Jul 28, 2022, at 2:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> J series water cooled unit, 17.5 RDJC. Sort of the 240D of the Onan product 
> line at the time, with the air cooled diesel (DJC) being the pinnacle and the 
> water cooled variant (RDJC) being close behind.
> 
> Yes, it’s worth messing with but would likely not be adequate to run your 
> whole house.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2022, at 1:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
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>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/748115906239416/
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Re: [MBZ] Genny worth messing with?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

J series water cooled unit, 17.5 RDJC. Sort of the 240D of the Onan product 
line at the time, with the air cooled diesel (DJC) being the pinnacle and the 
water cooled variant (RDJC) being close behind.

Yes, it’s worth messing with but would likely not be adequate to run your whole 
house.

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Genny worth messing with?

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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/748115906239416/ 
> 

In short, yes.  Were it local, I'd be all over it.

-- Jim

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[MBZ] Genny worth messing with?

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[MBZ] First CL500 mpg check

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Filled up today after the first fill up the other day, 19mpg. This is pretty 
good. I figured it would be a lot worse. Mostly driving in town and rural 
roads. Probably be a bit better on the highway 

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Re: [MBZ] 280SEL 4.5 Re: 1978 Mercedes-Benz classic,$1,500

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

too bad but prolly wise. first MB I ever drove. not a 1978 though.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022, 1:19 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> After some conversation with our resident experts I decided not to look at
> it. Sent the seller a note explaining issues, told her to let me know if it
> doesn’t sell.
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On Jul 28, 2022, at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Try to have a good look at the floors and the underside of the car. It
> appears to have a couple of flat tires and that probably means it has been
> sitting there for a while.  Dampness under the car can ruin it in short
> order. A friend went to look at a nice looking older MB that had been
> sitting in a garage with a dirt floor for years. The bottom was totally
> rusted.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> >> On 27/07/2022 6:04 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I’m headed up there tomorrow.  Other lookers coming the weekend.  The
> seller is dealing with it for her neighbor.
> >>
> >> I’m thinking this is an old dead guy’s car. It’s probably a project
> that has been sitting for some time and the widder is finally parting with
> it.  Or maybe it was a driver, ran when parked?  A “barn find.”  Could be
> interesting. The new pics she added show it is in fairly decent condition
> (best I can tell) and looks complete.
> >>
> >> I shall report tomorrow.
> >>
> >> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] 280SEL 4.5 Re: 1978 Mercedes-Benz classic,$1,500

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

After some conversation with our resident experts I decided not to look at it. 
Sent the seller a note explaining issues, told her to let me know if it doesn’t 
sell. 

--FT
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> On Jul 28, 2022, at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Try to have a good look at the floors and the underside of the car. It 
> appears to have a couple of flat tires and that probably means it has been 
> sitting there for a while.  Dampness under the car can ruin it in short 
> order. A friend went to look at a nice looking older MB that had been sitting 
> in a garage with a dirt floor for years. The bottom was totally rusted.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
>> On 27/07/2022 6:04 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> I’m headed up there tomorrow.  Other lookers coming the weekend.  The seller 
>> is dealing with it for her neighbor.
>> 
>> I’m thinking this is an old dead guy’s car. It’s probably a project that has 
>> been sitting for some time and the widder is finally parting with it.  Or 
>> maybe it was a driver, ran when parked?  A “barn find.”  Could be 
>> interesting. The new pics she added show it is in fairly decent condition 
>> (best I can tell) and looks complete.
>> 
>> I shall report tomorrow.
>> 
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] 280SEL 4.5 Re: 1978 Mercedes-Benz classic,$1,500

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Try to have a good look at the floors and the underside of the car. It 
appears to have a couple of flat tires and that probably means it has 
been sitting there for a while.  Dampness under the car can ruin it in 
short order. A friend went to look at a nice looking older MB that had 
been sitting in a garage with a dirt floor for years. The bottom was 
totally rusted.


Randy


On 27/07/2022 6:04 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

I’m headed up there tomorrow.  Other lookers coming the weekend.  The seller is 
dealing with it for her neighbor.

I’m thinking this is an old dead guy’s car. It’s probably a project that has 
been sitting for some time and the widder is finally parting with it.  Or maybe 
it was a driver, ran when parked?  A “barn find.”  Could be interesting. The 
new pics she added show it is in fairly decent condition (best I can tell) and 
looks complete.

I shall report tomorrow.

--FT



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[MBZ] 220 fintail on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Was originally moss green, repainted to a different shade.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-mercedes-benz-220-2/
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