Re: [MBZ] Have you ever started a new job while overlapping your old job then got a bad feeling about the new job?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Banks making loans to people who don't qualify on any standard debt/income 
ratios -- where have I seen this movie before?

With Carvana about to go over the cliff and CarMax probably not far behind, 
there will be a lot of used cars being liquidated into the market. If you need 
a new car but can wait, I would.


On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, at 20:45, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> That is true, bank B could end up taking the hit, but most of these 
> people are trying to get out of cars they paid $10-20k too much for and 
> now can't afford the payments, so they buy a cheaper car with bank B 
> financing it.
>
> On 12/19/2022 7:36 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> That would seem to be a rather questionable lending practice on bank “B”s 
>> part, I would think. Who s to say the borrower wouldn’t default on the 
>> second (newest) loan first?
>>
>> Sure is nice to not have a car payment.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>> On Dec 19, 2022, at 8:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yea, next year will be rough.  Part of the reason I was interested in this 
>>> new job in the first place is that it deals with the fixed opps (service) 
>>> side of things, which in a big down turn on sales should still be good.  
>>> This plus we have had a lot of product issues lately which they are 
>>> addressing.
>>>
>>> The problem is, all of these people paid way over book value for vehicles 
>>> and now the prices are coming back down, these people are buried in them.  
>>> They will not have a way to get out of them.  This will lead to repos 
>>> flooding the market.  To make matters worse, typically when trading in a 
>>> vehicle, if the DTI will not support 2 car loans, the stips for the loan 
>>> require the old vehicle to be traded in and paid off.  Lenders are now 
>>> starting to NOT require this in order to gain business.  In other words, 
>>> you have a loan with bank A, go to a dealer and bank B sees this, but you 
>>> are too far upside down and bank B goes ahead and does the deal figuring 
>>> you will just default on bank A.  I am assuming if you try to get 2nd loan 
>>> with the same bank, they would not do it.  Banks are now starting to eat 
>>> each other up just to get business while they can. I think its fixing to be 
>>> scary and this could have effects far beyond just the auto industry.
>>>
>>> On 12/19/2022 7:21 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
 Hmm. Perhaps travel will be less of an issue after the first of the year. 
 From what I have been reading the auto market is about to collapse. It is 
 very hard to justify an $750-$800 a month car payment when one can hardly 
 afford the heating and grocery bills. I know folks car shop after tax 
 season, but withholding rules changed, and folks that are expecting a 
 large tax return are probably in for an unpleasant surprise. I don't see a 
 happy ending here.

 You probably have a better feel for the dealer's situations than I do. 
 Hopefully, I am wrong.

 And yeah, you were probably lied to.


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Re: [MBZ] Fire extinguisher

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 23:24:31 -0500 RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Folks
> 
> There is a recall on most all Kidde plastic valve fire extinguishers 
> 
> They replaced a couple for me that were old … one was from 1979 or
> something It still indicated a charge!!
> 
> https://www.kidde.com/home-safety/en/us/support/product-alerts/recall-kidde-fire-extinguisher/

That recall has been going on for about 5 years now. I first called about
replacing my Kidde (pronounced as German, kid-uh) extinguishers on
04 Nov 2017.

When I called I was surprised that the extinguisher from my Kenworth was
also one of those recalled! I checked after the telephone call and found
it has metal handles ...

When I called back the next day, the fellow with whom I spoke said the
extinguisher from the KW was not involved. He did, however, re-submit one
of the extinguishers I had reported the previous day.

Anyway, I got new extinguishers.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car!

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Yes, it also does not damage electronics so it was frequently used in data 
centers. We had big signs posted warning "evacuate room immediately if halon 
alarm sounds" and you had maybe 10 seconds or so to get out.

Halon is a greenhouse gas or ozone depleting gas (can't recall which -- maybe 
both) so its use is greatly reduced from decades ago.


On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, at 18:50, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> I believe that Halon is now a forbidden material to use in fire
> extinguishers for personal use, because Halon binds with oxygen which makes
> it very effective for killing fires, it also removes active oxygen and
> kills humans, or causes them severe injury.
> When Halon first came on the market it was all the rage to have in
> aircraft, which is no place to have a fire in flight Now, on the
> forbidden list.
> Or, I could be wrong... it's been some time since I've reviewed the use of
> Halon. Since it works as a gas, with no dust, it was marketed as the best
> thing since cold beer and sliced bread.. then .
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 4:12 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Not sure what that is.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2386336311528840/
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>>
>> AZBob
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Has anyone ever

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I returned a blower fan control module that I bought for my Volvo. It died less 
than a year after being installed. A/k/a "resistor pack" but it's a bit more 
sophisticated than that on that car. They replaced it no hassles.

I'm sure a few people do return used filters, wiper blades, etc. but to me it 
would not be worth the hassle of completing the return form, packing, and 
shipping them. Guessing they've already run the numbers on their pricing with 
their actual returns experience factored in.

Allan


On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, at 18:33, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
> It’s a ridiculous policy but abusing it will only put them out of 
> business and/or result in price increases to compensate. I wouldn’t 
> return a used oil filter on principle regardless of their return 
> policy. When I was in college in Maine, I’d abuse the overly lenient 
> return policy of next door LL Bean. In retrospect, it was an immature 
> and jerky thing to do!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 19, 2022, at 5:30 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Returned oil filters to FCPEuro or claimed the lifetime replacements. I 
>> have 3 old ones I was going to see about getting replacements.  I had 
>> ordered some of the same items a few weeks ago and have ordered others in 
>> the past. Do they actually want nasty old filters back?
>> 
>> I guess I can check with them tomorrow. If they want them back I guess a 
>> postal service flat rate envelope or similar would be the way to go. With 3 
>> I’d come out ahead I think. 
>> 
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[MBZ] Fire extinguisher

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

Folks

There is a recall on most all Kidde plastic valve fire extinguishers 

They replaced a couple for me that were old … one was from 1979 or something
It still indicated a charge!!

https://www.kidde.com/home-safety/en/us/support/product-alerts/recall-kidde-fire-extinguisher/

Xx rick


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Re: [MBZ] Has anyone ever

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Ship them back the ruined engine.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, 9:31 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> yes i have returnedca few items including a winter coat in exchange for one
> with a better zipper. I read a book on LLB- some woman returned a bunch of
> shirts her departed husband left behind.
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, 7:36 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The interesting thing about the LL Bean policy was that when I was in
> high
> > school I abused the crap out of it. After I realized it was a stupid and
> > jerky thing to do I became a very loyal customer. I'm still quite fond of
> > the place and experience significant nostalgia going there. I remember
> when
> > it was just one big room. I'm sure I've spent enough money with them over
> > the years to make up for my previous activity.
> >
> > Unfortunately not everybody grows out of it...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 06:34:08 PM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via
> > Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It’s a ridiculous policy but abusing it will only put them out of
> business
> > and/or result in price increases to compensate. I wouldn’t return a used
> > oil filter on principle regardless of their return policy. When I was in
> > college in Maine, I’d abuse the overly lenient return policy of next door
> > LL Bean. In retrospect, it was an immature and jerky thing to do!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Dec 19, 2022, at 5:30 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Returned oil filters to FCPEuro or claimed the lifetime replacements.
> I
> > have 3 old ones I was going to see about getting replacements.  I had
> > ordered some of the same items a few weeks ago and have ordered others in
> > the past. Do they actually want nasty old filters back?
> > >
> > > I guess I can check with them tomorrow. If they want them back I guess
> a
> > postal service flat rate envelope or similar would be the way to go.
> With 3
> > I’d come out ahead I think.
> > >
> > > --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Have you ever started a new job while overlapping your old job then got a bad feeling about the new job?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> trading in a vehicle, if the DTI will not support 2 car loans, the
stips for the loan require the old vehicle to be traded in and paid
off.  Lenders are now starting to NOT require this in order to gain
business.  In other words, you have a loan with bank A, go to a dealer
and bank B sees this, but you are too far upside down and bank B goes
ahead and does the deal figuring you will just default on bank A.

That's what I heard. I couldn't believe it.

> I think its fixing to be scary and this could have
effects far beyond just the auto industry.

Yep. Especially when lenders come after what they are owed from the previous 
car. Mitch is way more familiar with this, but charged off debt is counted as 
income. The IRS just hired a whole lot of new agents.

Repo's, garnishments, charged off debt, bankruptcies.

This is going to be very, very ugly.
Like October, 1929 ugly.

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Re: [MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car!

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Halon is the fire suppression system for the nuke plant control rooms.  

AZBob

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> On Dec 19, 2022, at 5:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, Halon systems were very common in raised floor computer rooms. They 
> also have alarms and and all sorts of warning that light up and make noise 
> before they discharge, so any humans in the area can get out. As Grant 
> described, Halon displaces oxygen, so you wouldn’t want to be in an enclosed 
> space where Halon is being discharged or you will suffocate.
> 
> The current standard in computer rooms and other such equipment spaces where 
> conventional sprinklers can’t be used are halocarbons which have a trade name 
> of “Halotron I” and another vendor’s similar product, “FE-36” or 
> “CleanGuard”. 3M has a similar product that’s brand labeled by them, I don’t 
> recall the name.
> 
> These are all referred to in the industry as “clean” agents as opposed to 
> chemical agents, which might be foam or powder. Argon and nitrogen are also 
> used, but I think they’re for specific types of applications.
> 
> We refurbished a raised floor computer room when I worked for the school 
> district, and these were the choices for our extinguishing system retrofit. 
> They’re interchangeable with Halon so we were able to repurpose nearly all of 
> the system hardware in the process.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 19, 2022, at 7:04 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I worked for this company back in the 80s that had a raised floor computer 
>> room (DEC PDP-11s!) that had a Halon system. One day I hear this big loud 
>> swoosh that went on for a bit, the Halon system had discharged.  It appeared 
>> to be of it's own accord as no one was in there fooling around, and there 
>> was no fire or excess heat. It was an expensive incident.  The owner of the 
>> company was really cheap b@$t@rd so I don't know if it ever got recharged or 
>> not.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 12/19/22 6:50 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I believe that Halon is now a forbidden material to use in fire
>>> extinguishers for personal use, because Halon binds with oxygen which makes
>>> it very effective for killing fires, it also removes active oxygen and
>>> kills humans, or causes them severe injury.
>>> When Halon first came on the market it was all the rage to have in
>>> aircraft, which is no place to have a fire in flight Now, on the
>>> forbidden list.
>>> Or, I could be wrong... it's been some time since I've reviewed the use of
>>> Halon. Since it works as a gas, with no dust, it was marketed as the best
>>> thing since cold beer and sliced bread.. then .
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 4:12 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Not sure what that is.
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Has anyone ever

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

yes i have returnedca few items including a winter coat in exchange for one
with a better zipper. I read a book on LLB- some woman returned a bunch of
shirts her departed husband left behind.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, 7:36 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The interesting thing about the LL Bean policy was that when I was in high
> school I abused the crap out of it. After I realized it was a stupid and
> jerky thing to do I became a very loyal customer. I'm still quite fond of
> the place and experience significant nostalgia going there. I remember when
> it was just one big room. I'm sure I've spent enough money with them over
> the years to make up for my previous activity.
>
> Unfortunately not everybody grows out of it...
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 06:34:08 PM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> It’s a ridiculous policy but abusing it will only put them out of business
> and/or result in price increases to compensate. I wouldn’t return a used
> oil filter on principle regardless of their return policy. When I was in
> college in Maine, I’d abuse the overly lenient return policy of next door
> LL Bean. In retrospect, it was an immature and jerky thing to do!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 19, 2022, at 5:30 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Returned oil filters to FCPEuro or claimed the lifetime replacements. I
> have 3 old ones I was going to see about getting replacements.  I had
> ordered some of the same items a few weeks ago and have ordered others in
> the past. Do they actually want nasty old filters back?
> >
> > I guess I can check with them tomorrow. If they want them back I guess a
> postal service flat rate envelope or similar would be the way to go. With 3
> I’d come out ahead I think.
> >
> > --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Have you ever started a new job while overlapping your old job then got a bad feeling about the new job?

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

You may remember I did two days in the UAE and said no thanks. That was a tough 
decision. I have no regrets. 

AZBob

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> On Dec 19, 2022, at 6:46 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ahh, that makes sense. I didn’t have the context.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 19, 2022, at 8:45 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That is true, bank B could end up taking the hit, but most of these people 
>> are trying to get out of cars they paid $10-20k too much for and now can't 
>> afford the payments, so they buy a cheaper car with bank B financing it.
>> 
>>> On 12/19/2022 7:36 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> That would seem to be a rather questionable lending practice on bank “B”s 
>>> part, I would think. Who s to say the borrower wouldn’t default on the 
>>> second (newest) loan first?
>>> 
>>> Sure is nice to not have a car payment.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Dec 19, 2022, at 8:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Yea, next year will be rough.  Part of the reason I was interested in this 
 new job in the first place is that it deals with the fixed opps (service) 
 side of things, which in a big down turn on sales should still be good.  
 This plus we have had a lot of product issues lately which they are 
 addressing.
 
 The problem is, all of these people paid way over book value for vehicles 
 and now the prices are coming back down, these people are buried in them.  
 They will not have a way to get out of them.  This will lead to repos 
 flooding the market.  To make matters worse, typically when trading in a 
 vehicle, if the DTI will not support 2 car loans, the stips for the loan 
 require the old vehicle to be traded in and paid off.  Lenders are now 
 starting to NOT require this in order to gain business.  In other words, 
 you have a loan with bank A, go to a dealer and bank B sees this, but you 
 are too far upside down and bank B goes ahead and does the deal figuring 
 you will just default on bank A.  I am assuming if you try to get 2nd loan 
 with the same bank, they would not do it.  Banks are now starting to eat 
 each other up just to get business while they can. I think its fixing to 
 be scary and this could have effects far beyond just the auto industry.
 
 On 12/19/2022 7:21 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> Hmm. Perhaps travel will be less of an issue after the first of the year. 
> From what I have been reading the auto market is about to collapse. It is 
> very hard to justify an $750-$800 a month car payment when one can hardly 
> afford the heating and grocery bills. I know folks car shop after tax 
> season, but withholding rules changed, and folks that are expecting a 
> large tax return are probably in for an unpleasant surprise. I don't see 
> a happy ending here.
> 
> You probably have a better feel for the dealer's situations than I do. 
> Hopefully, I am wrong.
> 
> And yeah, you were probably lied to.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Have you ever started a new job while overlapping your old job then got a bad feeling about the new job?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Ahh, that makes sense. I didn’t have the context.

-D

> On Dec 19, 2022, at 8:45 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is true, bank B could end up taking the hit, but most of these people 
> are trying to get out of cars they paid $10-20k too much for and now can't 
> afford the payments, so they buy a cheaper car with bank B financing it.
> 
> On 12/19/2022 7:36 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> That would seem to be a rather questionable lending practice on bank “B”s 
>> part, I would think. Who s to say the borrower wouldn’t default on the 
>> second (newest) loan first?
>> 
>> Sure is nice to not have a car payment.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 19, 2022, at 8:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yea, next year will be rough.  Part of the reason I was interested in this 
>>> new job in the first place is that it deals with the fixed opps (service) 
>>> side of things, which in a big down turn on sales should still be good.  
>>> This plus we have had a lot of product issues lately which they are 
>>> addressing.
>>> 
>>> The problem is, all of these people paid way over book value for vehicles 
>>> and now the prices are coming back down, these people are buried in them.  
>>> They will not have a way to get out of them.  This will lead to repos 
>>> flooding the market.  To make matters worse, typically when trading in a 
>>> vehicle, if the DTI will not support 2 car loans, the stips for the loan 
>>> require the old vehicle to be traded in and paid off.  Lenders are now 
>>> starting to NOT require this in order to gain business.  In other words, 
>>> you have a loan with bank A, go to a dealer and bank B sees this, but you 
>>> are too far upside down and bank B goes ahead and does the deal figuring 
>>> you will just default on bank A.  I am assuming if you try to get 2nd loan 
>>> with the same bank, they would not do it.  Banks are now starting to eat 
>>> each other up just to get business while they can. I think its fixing to be 
>>> scary and this could have effects far beyond just the auto industry.
>>> 
>>> On 12/19/2022 7:21 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
 Hmm. Perhaps travel will be less of an issue after the first of the year. 
 From what I have been reading the auto market is about to collapse. It is 
 very hard to justify an $750-$800 a month car payment when one can hardly 
 afford the heating and grocery bills. I know folks car shop after tax 
 season, but withholding rules changed, and folks that are expecting a 
 large tax return are probably in for an unpleasant surprise. I don't see a 
 happy ending here.
 
 You probably have a better feel for the dealer's situations than I do. 
 Hopefully, I am wrong.
 
 And yeah, you were probably lied to.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Has anyone ever

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Better than Mike Hunt.

Or my my personal favorite that a business associate did at Logan one time: 
“Dr. Gondolacar” (in a very thick Indian accent).

-D

> On Dec 19, 2022, at 8:36 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m a pretty loyal customer now too but then again it’s only 15 minutes away! 
> The stuff we did there in college… returns aside, we’d show up at like 3 am 
> (they were open 24 hrs) and ask customer service to page our friend whom we 
> couldn’t find. They were like ok what’s his name? Ben Dover. Sorry sir we 
> can’t do that. But that’s his name. Well how about Benjamin Dover? Sure 
> enough they did it! 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 19, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>> The interesting thing about the LL Bean policy was that when I was in high 
>> school I abused the crap out of it. After I realized it was a stupid and 
>> jerky thing to do I became a very loyal customer. I'm still quite fond of 
>> the place and experience significant nostalgia going there. I remember when 
>> it was just one big room. I'm sure I've spent enough money with them over 
>> the years to make up for my previous activity.
>> 
>> Unfortunately not everybody grows out of it...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 06:34:08 PM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via 
>> Mercedes  wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It’s a ridiculous policy but abusing it will only put them out of business 
>> and/or result in price increases to compensate. I wouldn’t return a used oil 
>> filter on principle regardless of their return policy. When I was in college 
>> in Maine, I’d abuse the overly lenient return policy of next door LL Bean. 
>> In retrospect, it was an immature and jerky thing to do!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 19, 2022, at 5:30 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Returned oil filters to FCPEuro or claimed the lifetime replacements. I 
>>> have 3 old ones I was going to see about getting replacements.  I had 
>>> ordered some of the same items a few weeks ago and have ordered others in 
>>> the past. Do they actually want nasty old filters back?
>>> 
>>> I guess I can check with them tomorrow. If they want them back I guess a 
>>> postal service flat rate envelope or similar would be the way to go. With 3 
>>> I’d come out ahead I think. 
>>> 
>>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Have you ever started a new job while overlapping your old job then got a bad feeling about the new job?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That is true, bank B could end up taking the hit, but most of these 
people are trying to get out of cars they paid $10-20k too much for and 
now can't afford the payments, so they buy a cheaper car with bank B 
financing it.


On 12/19/2022 7:36 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

That would seem to be a rather questionable lending practice on bank “B”s part, 
I would think. Who s to say the borrower wouldn’t default on the second 
(newest) loan first?

Sure is nice to not have a car payment.

-D


On Dec 19, 2022, at 8:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Yea, next year will be rough.  Part of the reason I was interested in this new 
job in the first place is that it deals with the fixed opps (service) side of 
things, which in a big down turn on sales should still be good.  This plus we 
have had a lot of product issues lately which they are addressing.

The problem is, all of these people paid way over book value for vehicles and 
now the prices are coming back down, these people are buried in them.  They 
will not have a way to get out of them.  This will lead to repos flooding the 
market.  To make matters worse, typically when trading in a vehicle, if the DTI 
will not support 2 car loans, the stips for the loan require the old vehicle to 
be traded in and paid off.  Lenders are now starting to NOT require this in 
order to gain business.  In other words, you have a loan with bank A, go to a 
dealer and bank B sees this, but you are too far upside down and bank B goes 
ahead and does the deal figuring you will just default on bank A.  I am 
assuming if you try to get 2nd loan with the same bank, they would not do it.  
Banks are now starting to eat each other up just to get business while they 
can. I think its fixing to be scary and this could have effects far beyond just 
the auto industry.

On 12/19/2022 7:21 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Hmm. Perhaps travel will be less of an issue after the first of the year. From 
what I have been reading the auto market is about to collapse. It is very hard 
to justify an $750-$800 a month car payment when one can hardly afford the 
heating and grocery bills. I know folks car shop after tax season, but 
withholding rules changed, and folks that are expecting a large tax return are 
probably in for an unpleasant surprise. I don't see a happy ending here.

You probably have a better feel for the dealer's situations than I do. 
Hopefully, I am wrong.

And yeah, you were probably lied to.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Have you ever started a new job while overlapping your old job then got a bad feeling about the new job?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

In my case, we have had some major product issues lately which is 
basically old slow servers that needed to be upgraded a long time ago.  
Supposedly they are spending $2m on upgrades.  I am not sure if this is 
a lot of money for this stuff or not. This had been leading to daily 
outages of our software which of course dealers do not like, costs them 
money.  These folks came along in the middle of all this happening and I 
am just burned out on dealing with the current situation the change 
sounded good.  I think once the new wore off with having to travel the 
country on a pretty well fixed schedule, it might start sucking.  Now, I 
just travel regionally and schedule my trips how I want.  If I have 
something going on, I can schedule around it.  If I want to go pick up a 
car in an area I travel to, I can work it into a company trip.  In the 
afternoons when I am home, if I want to go piddle around out in the shop 
for a while, I can.  There is actually quite a bit of flexibility 
currently, even if I do sometimes have heavy travel.  I wish I had a 
crystal ball to see if current company will collapse with our current 
issues, employees leaving etc.  I really hate to fully transition then 
regret it.  We are currently under a hiring freeze as well until March 
from what I am told.  We have had plenty of people leave and come back, 
but I would hate to leave, hate it, then if I wanted to come back cant 
for 3 or more months.


On 12/19/2022 7:23 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Typical new job regrets. The devil you know as opposed to the devil you don’t 
know.

The only time in my life I encountered this and acted on it (I'm glad I did) is 
when I finished out the receivership from my generator business in 1984 and 
went to work for a customer of my Dad’s that had a big scissor lift rental 
business.

I had been offered a job by the company that took over our assets from the 
receivership, but was so burned out on the business from going through the 
receivership I wanted nothing to do with it, or so I thought.

First day at work at the new job I spent beating sleeve bearings out of the 
joints on scissor lift arms. I mean All. Day. Long. Nope!

That night I called the GM at the company that took over our assets (he was a 
former employee of my former company, too, that had gone to work for the new 
guys) and told him I had made a terrible mistake. He even renegotiated the 
original deal they had offered me and I got a service truck to drive home at 
night and more money than they had originally offered me. I never regretted 
that decision.

-D


On Dec 19, 2022, at 8:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

That is what I’m dealing with at the moment. Got a job offer, that process went 
quick, maybe too quick. . Sounded great, not a huge increase in salary but 
given our system issues at current job, i think that put in a mode of doom and 
gloom.  They said it used to be 80% but now it’s more like 60%. I am currently 
doing 75-80% so this sounded like less. I started new job last week and was 
also on PTO with old job. The week went well and appeared to be a good fit. 
This week I’m not traveling with either job so just doing training with new job 
while working old job at the same time. Today they had me with the next newest 
guy who has been there 4 months doing some training. I asked the guy how many 
weeks a month he is on the road and he says 4 months, they are on the road 48 
weeks a month, I was expecting 2-3 a month. This sends up my red flags. I do 
not want to be on the road 48 weeks a month.  I call the boss at the new job, 
he claims this guy just came on when they were really busy but there was a 
couple of months this year where their guys did not travel at all because it 
was slow. This is also somewhat concerning.  He said if there was a week I 
needed to be at home they could make it happen. If they did in fact mislead me 
during the interview process as to the level of travel, then their answer to my 
questions now also can’t be believed.

So, I guess that’s the question, anybody starter a new job and then immediately 
start getting a bad feeling about it, or am I just being a wuss.

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Re: [MBZ] Has anyone ever

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I’m a pretty loyal customer now too but then again it’s only 15 minutes away! 
The stuff we did there in college… returns aside, we’d show up at like 3 am 
(they were open 24 hrs) and ask customer service to page our friend whom we 
couldn’t find. They were like ok what’s his name? Ben Dover. Sorry sir we can’t 
do that. But that’s his name. Well how about Benjamin Dover? Sure enough they 
did it! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 19, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> The interesting thing about the LL Bean policy was that when I was in high 
> school I abused the crap out of it. After I realized it was a stupid and 
> jerky thing to do I became a very loyal customer. I'm still quite fond of the 
> place and experience significant nostalgia going there. I remember when it 
> was just one big room. I'm sure I've spent enough money with them over the 
> years to make up for my previous activity.
> 
> Unfortunately not everybody grows out of it...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 06:34:08 PM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via 
> Mercedes  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It’s a ridiculous policy but abusing it will only put them out of business 
> and/or result in price increases to compensate. I wouldn’t return a used oil 
> filter on principle regardless of their return policy. When I was in college 
> in Maine, I’d abuse the overly lenient return policy of next door LL Bean. In 
> retrospect, it was an immature and jerky thing to do!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 19, 2022, at 5:30 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Returned oil filters to FCPEuro or claimed the lifetime replacements. I 
>> have 3 old ones I was going to see about getting replacements.  I had 
>> ordered some of the same items a few weeks ago and have ordered others in 
>> the past. Do they actually want nasty old filters back?
>> 
>> I guess I can check with them tomorrow. If they want them back I guess a 
>> postal service flat rate envelope or similar would be the way to go. With 3 
>> I’d come out ahead I think. 
>> 
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Have you ever started a new job while overlapping your old job then got a bad feeling about the new job?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That would seem to be a rather questionable lending practice on bank “B”s part, 
I would think. Who s to say the borrower wouldn’t default on the second 
(newest) loan first?

Sure is nice to not have a car payment.

-D

> On Dec 19, 2022, at 8:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yea, next year will be rough.  Part of the reason I was interested in this 
> new job in the first place is that it deals with the fixed opps (service) 
> side of things, which in a big down turn on sales should still be good.  This 
> plus we have had a lot of product issues lately which they are addressing.
> 
> The problem is, all of these people paid way over book value for vehicles and 
> now the prices are coming back down, these people are buried in them.  They 
> will not have a way to get out of them.  This will lead to repos flooding the 
> market.  To make matters worse, typically when trading in a vehicle, if the 
> DTI will not support 2 car loans, the stips for the loan require the old 
> vehicle to be traded in and paid off.  Lenders are now starting to NOT 
> require this in order to gain business.  In other words, you have a loan with 
> bank A, go to a dealer and bank B sees this, but you are too far upside down 
> and bank B goes ahead and does the deal figuring you will just default on 
> bank A.  I am assuming if you try to get 2nd loan with the same bank, they 
> would not do it.  Banks are now starting to eat each other up just to get 
> business while they can. I think its fixing to be scary and this could have 
> effects far beyond just the auto industry.
> 
> On 12/19/2022 7:21 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>> Hmm. Perhaps travel will be less of an issue after the first of the year. 
>> From what I have been reading the auto market is about to collapse. It is 
>> very hard to justify an $750-$800 a month car payment when one can hardly 
>> afford the heating and grocery bills. I know folks car shop after tax 
>> season, but withholding rules changed, and folks that are expecting a large 
>> tax return are probably in for an unpleasant surprise. I don't see a happy 
>> ending here.
>> 
>> You probably have a better feel for the dealer's situations than I do. 
>> Hopefully, I am wrong.
>> 
>> And yeah, you were probably lied to.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Have you ever started a new job while overlapping your old job then got a bad feeling about the new job?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea, next year will be rough.  Part of the reason I was interested in 
this new job in the first place is that it deals with the fixed opps 
(service) side of things, which in a big down turn on sales should still 
be good.  This plus we have had a lot of product issues lately which 
they are addressing.


The problem is, all of these people paid way over book value for 
vehicles and now the prices are coming back down, these people are 
buried in them.  They will not have a way to get out of them.  This will 
lead to repos flooding the market.  To make matters worse, typically 
when trading in a vehicle, if the DTI will not support 2 car loans, the 
stips for the loan require the old vehicle to be traded in and paid 
off.  Lenders are now starting to NOT require this in order to gain 
business.  In other words, you have a loan with bank A, go to a dealer 
and bank B sees this, but you are too far upside down and bank B goes 
ahead and does the deal figuring you will just default on bank A.  I am 
assuming if you try to get 2nd loan with the same bank, they would not 
do it.  Banks are now starting to eat each other up just to get business 
while they can. I think its fixing to be scary and this could have 
effects far beyond just the auto industry.


On 12/19/2022 7:21 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Hmm. Perhaps travel will be less of an issue after the first of the year. From 
what I have been reading the auto market is about to collapse. It is very hard 
to justify an $750-$800 a month car payment when one can hardly afford the 
heating and grocery bills. I know folks car shop after tax season, but 
withholding rules changed, and folks that are expecting a large tax return are 
probably in for an unpleasant surprise. I don't see a happy ending here.

You probably have a better feel for the dealer's situations than I do. 
Hopefully, I am wrong.

And yeah, you were probably lied to.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Have you ever started a new job while overlapping your old job then got a bad feeling about the new job?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Typical new job regrets. The devil you know as opposed to the devil you don’t 
know.

The only time in my life I encountered this and acted on it (I'm glad I did) is 
when I finished out the receivership from my generator business in 1984 and 
went to work for a customer of my Dad’s that had a big scissor lift rental 
business.

I had been offered a job by the company that took over our assets from the 
receivership, but was so burned out on the business from going through the 
receivership I wanted nothing to do with it, or so I thought.

First day at work at the new job I spent beating sleeve bearings out of the 
joints on scissor lift arms. I mean All. Day. Long. Nope!

That night I called the GM at the company that took over our assets (he was a 
former employee of my former company, too, that had gone to work for the new 
guys) and told him I had made a terrible mistake. He even renegotiated the 
original deal they had offered me and I got a service truck to drive home at 
night and more money than they had originally offered me. I never regretted 
that decision.

-D

> On Dec 19, 2022, at 8:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is what I’m dealing with at the moment. Got a job offer, that process 
> went quick, maybe too quick. . Sounded great, not a huge increase in salary 
> but given our system issues at current job, i think that put in a mode of 
> doom and gloom.  They said it used to be 80% but now it’s more like 60%. I am 
> currently doing 75-80% so this sounded like less. I started new job last week 
> and was also on PTO with old job. The week went well and appeared to be a 
> good fit. This week I’m not traveling with either job so just doing training 
> with new job while working old job at the same time. Today they had me with 
> the next newest guy who has been there 4 months doing some training. I asked 
> the guy how many weeks a month he is on the road and he says 4 months, they 
> are on the road 48 weeks a month, I was expecting 2-3 a month. This sends up 
> my red flags. I do not want to be on the road 48 weeks a month.  I call the 
> boss at the new job, he claims this guy just came on when they were really 
> busy but there was a couple of months this year where their guys did not 
> travel at all because it was slow. This is also somewhat concerning.  He said 
> if there was a week I needed to be at home they could make it happen. If they 
> did in fact mislead me during the interview process as to the level of 
> travel, then their answer to my questions now also can’t be believed.
> 
> So, I guess that’s the question, anybody starter a new job and then 
> immediately start getting a bad feeling about it, or am I just being a wuss. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Have you ever started a new job while overlapping your old job then got a bad feeling about the new job?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Hmm. Perhaps travel will be less of an issue after the first of the year. From 
what I have been reading the auto market is about to collapse. It is very hard 
to justify an $750-$800 a month car payment when one can hardly afford the 
heating and grocery bills. I know folks car shop after tax season, but 
withholding rules changed, and folks that are expecting a large tax return are 
probably in for an unpleasant surprise. I don't see a happy ending here.

You probably have a better feel for the dealer's situations than I do. 
Hopefully, I am wrong.

And yeah, you were probably lied to.


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[MBZ] Have you ever started a new job while overlapping your old job then got a bad feeling about the new job?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That is what I’m dealing with at the moment. Got a job offer, that process went 
quick, maybe too quick. . Sounded great, not a huge increase in salary but 
given our system issues at current job, i think that put in a mode of doom and 
gloom.  They said it used to be 80% but now it’s more like 60%. I am currently 
doing 75-80% so this sounded like less. I started new job last week and was 
also on PTO with old job. The week went well and appeared to be a good fit. 
This week I’m not traveling with either job so just doing training with new job 
while working old job at the same time. Today they had me with the next newest 
guy who has been there 4 months doing some training. I asked the guy how many 
weeks a month he is on the road and he says 4 months, they are on the road 48 
weeks a month, I was expecting 2-3 a month. This sends up my red flags. I do 
not want to be on the road 48 weeks a month.  I call the boss at the new job, 
he claims this guy just came on when they were really busy but there was a 
couple of months this year where their guys did not travel at all because it 
was slow. This is also somewhat concerning.  He said if there was a week I 
needed to be at home they could make it happen. If they did in fact mislead me 
during the interview process as to the level of travel, then their answer to my 
questions now also can’t be believed.

So, I guess that’s the question, anybody starter a new job and then immediately 
start getting a bad feeling about it, or am I just being a wuss. 

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Re: [MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Yes, Halon systems were very common in raised floor computer rooms. They also 
have alarms and and all sorts of warning that light up and make noise before 
they discharge, so any humans in the area can get out. As Grant described, 
Halon displaces oxygen, so you wouldn’t want to be in an enclosed space where 
Halon is being discharged or you will suffocate.

The current standard in computer rooms and other such equipment spaces where 
conventional sprinklers can’t be used are halocarbons which have a trade name 
of “Halotron I” and another vendor’s similar product, “FE-36” or “CleanGuard”. 
3M has a similar product that’s brand labeled by them, I don’t recall the name.

These are all referred to in the industry as “clean” agents as opposed to 
chemical agents, which might be foam or powder. Argon and nitrogen are also 
used, but I think they’re for specific types of applications.

We refurbished a raised floor computer room when I worked for the school 
district, and these were the choices for our extinguishing system retrofit. 
They’re interchangeable with Halon so we were able to repurpose nearly all of 
the system hardware in the process.

-D

> On Dec 19, 2022, at 7:04 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I worked for this company back in the 80s that had a raised floor computer 
> room (DEC PDP-11s!) that had a Halon system. One day I hear this big loud 
> swoosh that went on for a bit, the Halon system had discharged.  It appeared 
> to be of it's own accord as no one was in there fooling around, and there was 
> no fire or excess heat. It was an expensive incident.  The owner of the 
> company was really cheap b@$t@rd so I don't know if it ever got recharged or 
> not.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 12/19/22 6:50 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>> I believe that Halon is now a forbidden material to use in fire
>> extinguishers for personal use, because Halon binds with oxygen which makes
>> it very effective for killing fires, it also removes active oxygen and
>> kills humans, or causes them severe injury.
>> When Halon first came on the market it was all the rage to have in
>> aircraft, which is no place to have a fire in flight Now, on the
>> forbidden list.
>> Or, I could be wrong... it's been some time since I've reviewed the use of
>> Halon. Since it works as a gas, with no dust, it was marketed as the best
>> thing since cold beer and sliced bread.. then .
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 4:12 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Not sure what that is.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2386336311528840/
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Which reminds me I need to go through all of the grooming machines and get new 
extinguishers...

-Curt




On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 06:49:05 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 18:36:49 -0500 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> My daughter for some reason had a fire extinguisher in her car, might 
> have been in there when she got it a year or two ago. She was driving 
> somewhere on the interstate and there was a woman standing on the side 
> of the road and smoke pouring out of her car.  Daughter stopped, pulled 
> out the FE and hit the fire and put it out.  She waited until a tow 
> truck or cop or something showed up.  The woman was incredibly 
> appreciative and whoever showed up was astounded she did that.  She got 
> another one and keeps it in the pass footwell.

Bravo for her!


> I keep thinking I should get some for the cars.

That's why commercial trucks are required to carry fire extinguishers.


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] Has anyone ever

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The interesting thing about the LL Bean policy was that when I was in high 
school I abused the crap out of it. After I realized it was a stupid and jerky 
thing to do I became a very loyal customer. I'm still quite fond of the place 
and experience significant nostalgia going there. I remember when it was just 
one big room. I'm sure I've spent enough money with them over the years to make 
up for my previous activity.

Unfortunately not everybody grows out of it...

-Curt



On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 06:34:08 PM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





It’s a ridiculous policy but abusing it will only put them out of business 
and/or result in price increases to compensate. I wouldn’t return a used oil 
filter on principle regardless of their return policy. When I was in college in 
Maine, I’d abuse the overly lenient return policy of next door LL Bean. In 
retrospect, it was an immature and jerky thing to do!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 19, 2022, at 5:30 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Returned oil filters to FCPEuro or claimed the lifetime replacements. I have 
> 3 old ones I was going to see about getting replacements.  I had ordered some 
> of the same items a few weeks ago and have ordered others in the past. Do 
> they actually want nasty old filters back?
> 
> I guess I can check with them tomorrow. If they want them back I guess a 
> postal service flat rate envelope or similar would be the way to go. With 3 
> I’d come out ahead I think. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car!

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 19:04:35 -0500 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I worked for this company back in the 80s that had a raised floor 
> computer room (DEC PDP-11s!) that had a Halon system.

I used a PDP-11 to automate laser wavelength scanning when I was in grad
school.


> One day I hear this big loud swoosh that went on for a bit, the Halon
> system had discharged.  It appeared to be of it's own accord as no one
> was in there fooling around, and there was no fire or excess heat. It
> was an expensive incident.

I am sure it was!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I worked for this company back in the 80s that had a raised floor 
computer room (DEC PDP-11s!) that had a Halon system. One day I hear 
this big loud swoosh that went on for a bit, the Halon system had 
discharged.  It appeared to be of it's own accord as no one was in there 
fooling around, and there was no fire or excess heat. It was an 
expensive incident.  The owner of the company was really cheap b@$t@rd 
so I don't know if it ever got recharged or not.


--FT

On 12/19/22 6:50 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

I believe that Halon is now a forbidden material to use in fire
extinguishers for personal use, because Halon binds with oxygen which makes
it very effective for killing fires, it also removes active oxygen and
kills humans, or causes them severe injury.
When Halon first came on the market it was all the rage to have in
aircraft, which is no place to have a fire in flight Now, on the
forbidden list.
Or, I could be wrong... it's been some time since I've reviewed the use of
Halon. Since it works as a gas, with no dust, it was marketed as the best
thing since cold beer and sliced bread.. then .

On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 4:12 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Not sure what that is.



https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2386336311528840/



AZBob



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[MBZ] More CL600 fun

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I sucked the overfilled oil out of the car and managed to get too much 
out, so had to get another jug of old Quaker State I had and pour in 
another quart or two to get the level up to where it should be.  But I 
have a coupla gallons of good chain saw bar/chain oil I guess.


I started the car up this afternoon to warm up the oil to suck some out, 
cold start, and it wasn't smoking that much though some, definitely not 
as bad as yesterday.  I thought maybe that the lower oil level had 
something to do with that.  The exhaust did smell pretty bad though, 
rich gas smell and burned sort of stuff.  I was wondering if this was 
the catalysts getting overwhelmed by raw fuel or oil or something.


After I got the oil sorted and vacuumed and washed the car (it looks 
really good!) I decided to take it for a little shakedown ride on the 
road.  I pulled out of my driveway and it would not accelerate much and 
started blowing smoke really bad.  UHOH. I just went a 1/4mi or so and 
came back home.


The more I think about it maybe this is due to the bad cam position 
sensor, which apparently tells the ECU when to fire, etc. like a crank 
position sensor and if it is not working all manner of Bad Things can 
happen.  I found a code for it when I first looked at the car and 
scanned it.  So now I'm thinking maybe the smoke is from the bad cam 
sensor causing the ECU to dump fuel or timing is off or something.  I 
ordered a new sensor last night, $50 or so, was shipped out today, who 
knows when it will get here with all the Christmas busyness.  So will 
see if that solves the issue.  If I have some time I might put the 
scanner or the DAS on it and see if I can see any issues in real time 
with the car running, might be instructive if I can figure anything out 
from the real-time data.


So waiting on that to see what is going on.  I do not see oil blowing 
out of the engine though, looks like a bit maybe at the bell housing 
which might be a rear main seal or something, but it isn't too bad.  The 
pass door soft close works! but the driver door is hissing.  The 
multicontour seats seemed like they were trying to do something, the bum 
warmer worked though.  Some other little details to sort out, I need to 
get another instrument cluster in there and see if there is some way to 
reprogram the miles. That is some sort of theft-related/rollback issue 
and without the old one to clone to the new one it might not be 
possible.  I'll see how that might work.


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Re: [MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car!

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I believe that Halon is now a forbidden material to use in fire
extinguishers for personal use, because Halon binds with oxygen which makes
it very effective for killing fires, it also removes active oxygen and
kills humans, or causes them severe injury.
When Halon first came on the market it was all the rage to have in
aircraft, which is no place to have a fire in flight Now, on the
forbidden list.
Or, I could be wrong... it's been some time since I've reviewed the use of
Halon. Since it works as a gas, with no dust, it was marketed as the best
thing since cold beer and sliced bread.. then .

On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 4:12 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Not sure what that is.
>
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2386336311528840/
>
>
>
> AZBob
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car!

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 18:36:49 -0500 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> My daughter for some reason had a fire extinguisher in her car, might 
> have been in there when she got it a year or two ago. She was driving 
> somewhere on the interstate and there was a woman standing on the side 
> of the road and smoke pouring out of her car.  Daughter stopped, pulled 
> out the FE and hit the fire and put it out.  She waited until a tow 
> truck or cop or something showed up.  The woman was incredibly 
> appreciative and whoever showed up was astounded she did that.  She got 
> another one and keeps it in the pass footwell.

Bravo for her!


> I keep thinking I should get some for the cars.

That's why commercial trucks are required to carry fire extinguishers.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

My daughter for some reason had a fire extinguisher in her car, might 
have been in there when she got it a year or two ago. She was driving 
somewhere on the interstate and there was a woman standing on the side 
of the road and smoke pouring out of her car.  Daughter stopped, pulled 
out the FE and hit the fire and put it out.  She waited until a tow 
truck or cop or something showed up.  The woman was incredibly 
appreciative and whoever showed up was astounded she did that.  She got 
another one and keeps it in the pass footwell.  I keep thinking I should 
get some for the cars.


--FT

On 12/19/22 6:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Yup. Standard issue at the time, I believe. At least for some countries.

If you’ve ever seen a VW Beetle with an engine fire, you would understand.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] Has anyone ever

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

It’s a ridiculous policy but abusing it will only put them out of business 
and/or result in price increases to compensate. I wouldn’t return a used oil 
filter on principle regardless of their return policy. When I was in college in 
Maine, I’d abuse the overly lenient return policy of next door LL Bean. In 
retrospect, it was an immature and jerky thing to do!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 19, 2022, at 5:30 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Returned oil filters to FCPEuro or claimed the lifetime replacements. I have 
> 3 old ones I was going to see about getting replacements.  I had ordered some 
> of the same items a few weeks ago and have ordered others in the past. Do 
> they actually want nasty old filters back?
> 
> I guess I can check with them tomorrow. If they want them back I guess a 
> postal service flat rate envelope or similar would be the way to go. With 3 
> I’d come out ahead I think. 
> 
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Yup. Standard issue at the time, I believe. At least for some countries.

If you’ve ever seen a VW Beetle with an engine fire, you would understand.

-D

On Dec 19, 2022, at 6:22 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

I figured it was a typo for halon, but I have never heard of a halon 
extinguisher in euro cars.

Crazy what you learn.

AZBob

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From: dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2022 4:20 PM
To: Okie Benz
Cc: dan penoff.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car!

I really like the conformance sticker - “Marto’s Motors”. Never heard of them 
as someone who Federalized cars, although I’m sure there were plenty of Mom & 
Pops that did it.

-D



> On Dec 19, 2022, at 6:15 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> If you look closely at the picture with the driver’s seat in it, you can just 
> barely see the edges of the standard fire extinguisher supplied in Euro 
> vehicles, which this is. They are highly prized by purists here, even if by 
> now the halon charge has long since left the bottle. There is a bracket that 
> is mounted on the front of the seat base for it and a strap holds the 
> extinguisher in place.
>
> -D
>
> On Dec 19, 2022, at 6:13 PM, Dan Penoff 
> mailto:d...@penoff.com>> wrote:
>
> Halon.
>
> It’s a typo.
>
> -D
>
> On Dec 19, 2022, at 6:11 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
>  wrote:
>
> Not sure what that is.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2386336311528840/
>
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Re: [MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car!

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I figured it was a typo for halon, but I have never heard of a halon extinguisher in euro cars. Crazy what you learn. AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows From: dan penoff.com via MercedesSent: Monday, December 19, 2022 4:20 PMTo: Okie BenzCc: dan penoff.comSubject: Re: [MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car! I really like the conformance sticker - “Marto’s Motors”. Never heard of them as someone who Federalized cars, although I’m sure there were plenty of Mom & Pops that did it. -D   > On Dec 19, 2022, at 6:15 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes  wrote:> > If you look closely at the picture with the driver’s seat in it, you can just barely see the edges of the standard fire extinguisher supplied in Euro vehicles, which this is. They are highly prized by purists here, even if by now the halon charge has long since left the bottle. There is a bracket that is mounted on the front of the seat base for it and a strap holds the extinguisher in place.> > -D> > On Dec 19, 2022, at 6:13 PM, Dan Penoff > wrote:> > Halon.> > It’s a typo.> > -D> > On Dec 19, 2022, at 6:11 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote:> > Not sure what that is.> > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2386336311528840/> > AZBob> > Sent from Mail for Windows> > ___> http://www.okiebenz.com> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> > > ___> http://www.okiebenz.com> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>  ___http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com  

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Re: [MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Only if you can find someone to give you $2,000 for the extinguisher and 
bracket.

-D

On Dec 19, 2022, at 6:18 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Does that make it worth the asking price?

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To: Okie Benz
Cc: dan penoff.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car!

If you look closely at the picture with the driver’s seat in it, you can just 
barely see the edges of the standard fire extinguisher supplied in Euro 
vehicles, which this is. They are highly prized by purists here, even if by now 
the halon charge has long since left the bottle. There is a bracket that is 
mounted on the front of the seat base for it and a strap holds the extinguisher 
in place.

-D

On Dec 19, 2022, at 6:13 PM, Dan Penoff 
mailto:d...@penoff.com>> wrote:

Halon.

It’s a typo.

-D

On Dec 19, 2022, at 6:11 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
 wrote:

Not sure what that is.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2386336311528840/

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Re: [MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I really like the conformance sticker - “Marto’s Motors”. Never heard of them 
as someone who Federalized cars, although I’m sure there were plenty of Mom & 
Pops that did it.

-D



> On Dec 19, 2022, at 6:15 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you look closely at the picture with the driver’s seat in it, you can just 
> barely see the edges of the standard fire extinguisher supplied in Euro 
> vehicles, which this is. They are highly prized by purists here, even if by 
> now the halon charge has long since left the bottle. There is a bracket that 
> is mounted on the front of the seat base for it and a strap holds the 
> extinguisher in place.
> 
> -D
> 
> On Dec 19, 2022, at 6:13 PM, Dan Penoff 
> mailto:d...@penoff.com>> wrote:
> 
> Halon.
> 
> It’s a typo.
> 
> -D
> 
> On Dec 19, 2022, at 6:11 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> Not sure what that is.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2386336311528840/
> 
> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car!

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Does that make it worth the asking price? Sent from Mail for Windows From: dan penoff.com via MercedesSent: Monday, December 19, 2022 4:16 PMTo: Okie BenzCc: dan penoff.comSubject: Re: [MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car! If you look closely at the picture with the driver’s seat in it, you can just barely see the edges of the standard fire extinguisher supplied in Euro vehicles, which this is. They are highly prized by purists here, even if by now the halon charge has long since left the bottle. There is a bracket that is mounted on the front of the seat base for it and a strap holds the extinguisher in place. -D On Dec 19, 2022, at 6:13 PM, Dan Penoff > wrote: Halon. It’s a typo. -D On Dec 19, 2022, at 6:11 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: Not sure what that is. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2386336311528840/ AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows ___http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com  ___http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com  

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Re: [MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

If you look closely at the picture with the driver’s seat in it, you can just 
barely see the edges of the standard fire extinguisher supplied in Euro 
vehicles, which this is. They are highly prized by purists here, even if by now 
the halon charge has long since left the bottle. There is a bracket that is 
mounted on the front of the seat base for it and a strap holds the extinguisher 
in place.

-D

On Dec 19, 2022, at 6:13 PM, Dan Penoff 
mailto:d...@penoff.com>> wrote:

Halon.

It’s a typo.

-D

On Dec 19, 2022, at 6:11 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Not sure what that is.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2386336311528840/

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Halon.

It’s a typo.

-D

On Dec 19, 2022, at 6:11 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Not sure what that is.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2386336311528840/

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[MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car!

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Not sure what that is.  https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2386336311528840/ AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows 

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Re: [MBZ] New radio for 300D

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I can look up the model number, as there are a bunch of variants, but the 
Continental with just Bluetooth and USB is the way to go. They work great, can 
be a little difficult to figure out initially, and look period correct. I was 
always happy with them.

-D

> On Dec 19, 2022, at 5:45 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I am replacing the aftermarket stereo in my 1985 300D. I seem to remember 
> some posts about Continental being a good product.  Just looking for a radio 
> with Bluetooth capability.  No CD or any extras.  
> Does anyone have any recommendations?
> Thanks,
> Mike
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[MBZ] New radio for 300D

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

I am replacing the aftermarket stereo in my 1985 300D. I seem to remember some 
posts about Continental being a good product.  Just looking for a radio with 
Bluetooth capability.  No CD or any extras.  
Does anyone have any recommendations?
Thanks,
Mike

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Re: [MBZ] Ordered me a new BMW - Selling 1994 S320 - 85k miles - $7, 500

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That looks pretty nice but I can’t see that price for a 320. I like the color 

--FT
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> On Dec 19, 2022, at 4:09 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> One of my least favorite colors but looks like it might be in nice shape.
> 
> https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/new-albany-1994-mercede-k-miles/7569992136.html
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[MBZ] Has anyone ever

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Returned oil filters to FCPEuro or claimed the lifetime replacements. I have 3 
old ones I was going to see about getting replacements.  I had ordered some of 
the same items a few weeks ago and have ordered others in the past. Do they 
actually want nasty old filters back?

I guess I can check with them tomorrow. If they want them back I guess a postal 
service flat rate envelope or similar would be the way to go. With 3 I’d come 
out ahead I think. 

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[MBZ] Ordered me a new BMW - Selling 1994 S320 - 85k miles - $7, 500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

One of my least favorite colors but looks like it might be in nice shape.

https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/new-albany-1994-mercede-k-miles/7569992136.html

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Re: [MBZ] 3 on the tree? 4.5 -- 1972 mercedes V8 280 Sel,$2,000

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If the title is obtainable it is a buy at the asking price, assuming it
runs/drives/stops and not too much rust.  The intact steering wheel (no big
cracks) is a good yardstick of a well maintained 108.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 11:01 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Doesn't actually look too awful but $2k might be a bit much.
>
> Yes it's available. Selling as parts car still on tow truck as of today
> . Was promised a title when purchased but never came through. Not
> parting out good engine and transmission. The parts are easily worth
> more than listed price. You can get a title with mvr4 will give previous
> owners #
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Re: [MBZ] Recent Transmission Trouble: Stuck in low gear... 2007 Mercedes R350 - $3, 900 (Myrtle Beach)

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Would the diesel version of this R class have the same or a different
transmission?

On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 10:41 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Take $3k off the price and it might be worth considering
>
> Per Local Mercedes Dealership it needs a Valve body for the
> Transmissionquoted at $2700. While waiting for that quote I
> purchased a smaller car and selling this one. I am not willing to have
> it repaired at the local Mercedes Dealership as I don't trust them and
> think they are too expensive.
>
>
> https://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/cto/d/myrtle-beach-2007-mercedes-r350/7569679789.html
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Re: [MBZ] 1966 W110 230 - $800

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Aah.  Different license plates as well.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 11:27 AM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Picture 2 of 7 does not match picture 5 of 7  completely different
> front. Unusual in that the body is the same color in both... very faded red
> ish..
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 9:01 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The one with the different headlights and front bumper.
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, at 10:44, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > > Which one?
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 12:56 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> Someone needs this. Manual transmission. Doesn't look half bad for
> $800.
> > >>
> > >> One thing that's suspicious is that one of the photos is of a
> different
> > car.
> > >>
> > >>
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Todays 116 update

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

The thermostatic idle air valve on our 450SL needed re-adjustment with a hammer.
The plug in the body had started working out, meaning it no longer was all that 
thermostatic.
You could adjust it for cold-start.  Or warm running.  But not both.  After the 
'hammer cure',
it worked properly again.

IIRC when 'bad' it looked stepped on top, because the body plug, which should 
have
been flush with the housing, protruded a bit.  I think I used a socket to fit 
over the middle
part, and a hammer to drive the socket in (gently!) until the outer part of the 
plug was flush
with the body.

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Re: [MBZ] 1966 W110 230 - $800

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Picture 2 of 7 does not match picture 5 of 7  completely different
front. Unusual in that the body is the same color in both... very faded red
ish..

On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 9:01 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The one with the different headlights and front bumper.
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, at 10:44, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > Which one?
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 12:56 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> Someone needs this. Manual transmission. Doesn't look half bad for $800.
> >>
> >> One thing that's suspicious is that one of the photos is of a different
> car.
> >>
> >>
> https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/saint-louis-mercedes-benz-1966/7569762059.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT 1971 AM General m35a2,$26,800

[G Mann via Mercedes]

"Formerly owned by Darwin Award runner up, now unable to drive due to
massive kidney injuries."

On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 9:06 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This would probably tow just about anything at 50mph while pureeing your
> innards but it looks very cool
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/863842744937847
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[MBZ] OT 1971 AM General m35a2,$26,800

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

This would probably tow just about anything at 50mph while pureeing your 
innards but it looks very cool


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[MBZ] It needs work-- 2001 Mercedes-Benz ml320,$1,000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/892267885111458

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Re: [MBZ] 1966 W110 230 - $800

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

The one with the different headlights and front bumper.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, at 10:44, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> Which one?
> 
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 12:56 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Someone needs this. Manual transmission. Doesn't look half bad for $800.
>> 
>> One thing that's suspicious is that one of the photos is of a different car.
>> 
>> https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/saint-louis-mercedes-benz-1966/7569762059.html
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[MBZ] 3 on the tree? 4.5 -- 1972 mercedes V8 280 Sel,$2,000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Doesn't actually look too awful but $2k might be a bit much.

Yes it's available. Selling as parts car still on tow truck as of today 
. Was promised a title when purchased but never came through. Not 
parting out good engine and transmission. The parts are easily worth 
more than listed price. You can get a title with mvr4 will give previous 
owners #


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/700752218385500

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Re: [MBZ] 1966 W110 230 - $800

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Which one?

On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 12:56 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Someone needs this. Manual transmission. Doesn't look half bad for $800.
>
> One thing that's suspicious is that one of the photos is of a different
> car.
>
>
> https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/saint-louis-mercedes-benz-1966/7569762059.html
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[MBZ] Recent Transmission Trouble: Stuck in low gear... 2007 Mercedes R350 - $3, 900 (Myrtle Beach)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Take $3k off the price and it might be worth considering

Per Local Mercedes Dealership it needs a Valve body for the 
Transmissionquoted at $2700. While waiting for that quote I 
purchased a smaller car and selling this one. I am not willing to have 
it repaired at the local Mercedes Dealership as I don't trust them and 
think they are too expensive.


https://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/cto/d/myrtle-beach-2007-mercedes-r350/7569679789.html

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[MBZ] No Low Ballers, , NO Dealer Fees, , NO African Checks... 2001 MERCEDES BENZS S430 FLAGSHIP With ONLY ** 24K MILES ** - $19, 999

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

garage kept 2001 S430 Mercedes Flagship that has 24K Miles. DRIVES LIKE 
A DREAM
It is an Executive World Class Car that is loaded and in Pristine 
Condition...


https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/d/jacksonville-2001-mercedes-benzs-s430/7569853721.html

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