[MBZ] OT - Flatbed Scanner

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Not sure if this is something anyone would be interested in, but…

I have an Epson 4990 flatbed scanner. This was a pretty high-end scanner for 
its time, used by me mainly to create archives of my medium format negatives 
and slides using holders for the film stock. It uses USB or FireWire for 
communication.

I rarely, if ever, use it anymore. If anyone here might be interested, you can 
have it for the cost of shipping. I think I might even have the original box 
for it, too, I’ve got to look in my storage. It is heavy, but it was a 
professional grade scanner, so it’s pretty beefy. You can have the film 
holders, too. I believe I have 35mm versions as well.


Epson Perfection 4990 Photo | Support | Epson 
US
epson.com
[favicon.ico]

Drop me a private note if you’re interested.

Thanks!

-D
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[MBZ] That Paint is New?

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

https://mohave.craigslist.org/cto/d/hualapai-1983-mercedes-benz-300sd-turbo/7696069734.html

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Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

It’s the million mile engine 

--FT
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> On Dec 17, 2023, at 10:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My '85 300SD has the 617 engine, right?  I don't believe there is any
> theoretical limit to its longevity.
> 
>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 7:57 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> yes great list of diesel engines. I have had 616, 617, & 602.
>> 
>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2023, 7:22 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Seems like OM615, 616, 617, 601, 602, 603 and 606 are the way to go…..
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 17, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 The OM251 has the timing chain at the rear. I have heard they have a
>>> problem stretching and breaking.
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Oil cooler issues have never arisen in either my E250 or GLK 250.
>>> This is
> only a problem in the 6 cylinder models, e.g. ML 350 Bluetec..
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 10:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree, an older mechanical diesel is still desirable but the newer
>>> ones
>> with DEF and emissions crap and computers required to run them I
>> would
>> avoid. They are really only suitable for drivers who need to make
>>> frequent
>> long highway trips. If you're driving infrequently and/or on mostly
>>> short
>> errands they are the wrong choice.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, at 17:36, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Or simply stick with a gasser.
>>> 
>>> I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel
>>> any
>>> more, especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and DEF
>>> crapola?
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to
>> avoid DEF.
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right
>>> now,
>> many of them reasonably priced.
> Steer clear?
> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He  maintains,
>> that among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350.
> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be
>>> deliberate.
>> I’m not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if
>>> I get
>> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a
>> trailer.
> 
> Here we go.
> 
> AZBob
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My '85 300SD has the 617 engine, right?  I don't believe there is any
theoretical limit to its longevity.

On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 7:57 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> yes great list of diesel engines. I have had 616, 617, & 602.
>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2023, 7:22 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Seems like OM615, 616, 617, 601, 602, 603 and 606 are the way to go…..
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Dec 17, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > The OM251 has the timing chain at the rear. I have heard they have a
> > problem stretching and breaking.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Oil cooler issues have never arisen in either my E250 or GLK 250.
> > This is
> > >> only a problem in the 6 cylinder models, e.g. ML 350 Bluetec..
> > >>
> > >>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 10:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I agree, an older mechanical diesel is still desirable but the newer
> > ones
> > >>> with DEF and emissions crap and computers required to run them I
> would
> > >>> avoid. They are really only suitable for drivers who need to make
> > frequent
> > >>> long highway trips. If you're driving infrequently and/or on mostly
> > short
> > >>> errands they are the wrong choice.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >  On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, at 17:36, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> >  Or simply stick with a gasser.
> > 
> >  I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel
> > any
> >  more, especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and DEF
> >  crapola?
> > 
> >  AZBob
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > > On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to
> > >>> avoid DEF.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right
> > now,
> > >>> many of them reasonably priced.
> > >> Steer clear?
> > >> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He  maintains,
> > >>> that among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350.
> > >> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be
> > deliberate.
> > >>> I’m not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if
> > I get
> > >>> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a
> > >>> trailer.
> > >>
> > >> Here we go.
> > >>
> > >> AZBob
> > >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Quite a storm today

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Fort Lauderdale has been hit with unusual deluges this year, more or less
site specific to that city.  Over a foot at times.  Right now Maryland/DC
is getting slammed, with 2.5-3" predicted.  Exactly a week ago a similar
storm dumped 1.5" in my backyard rain gauge.

On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 8:10 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It didn’t happen
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On Dec 17, 2023, at 8:02 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > But what about the things that fell that you didn’t hear?
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:55 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> There wasn’t much wind here although this morning I heard something big
> fall in the woods but didn’t see anything
> >>
> >>
> >> --FT
> >> Sent from iFōn
> >>
>  On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It was definitely rowdier on the Atlantic side of the peninsula, at
> least from what I recall of yesterday’s radar.
> >>>
> >>> I had a neighbor who used to be a deckhand and later a tugboat master
> in Tampa Bay. He talked about how a loaded freighter or cruise ship could
> push you around like a toy in a bathtub if things got rowdy. Some of the
> smaller ships can come in and use their bow and stern thrusters, but even
> they can’t handle it when the winds kick up.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  I saw some posts in some fakebook cruise groups I am in a bunch of
> ships are sitting outside the port in Ft. Lauderdale IIRC waiting to dock.
> A lot of people complaining they could not dock down in the Bahamas due to
> high wind and rough seas.
> 
> > On 12/17/2023 4:36 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > Could very well have been. When it gets windy, they’ll close the
> port, so they have to sit out in the Gulf and wait for it to open. The
> cruise terminal is right down the street from my office, but I avoid it
> like the plague, of course. It’s either going 100 miles an hour because
> there are ships in port, or it’s shuttered.
> >
> > No doubt it was windier than it usually can be during a storm, but
> it just didn’t seem all that bad to me. I was watching the radar all
> afternoon yesterday to see when the dookie was going to hit the fan, but
> there was very little that affected us. Most of the rowdy stuff was out in
> the Gulf or to the east of us as it moved north.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I will say lots of cruise ships didn’t get to dock at their ports
> and seas were rough, so I read.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Dec 17, 2023, at 4:19 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> They ginned this one up like it was going to be a Big Deal, but
> other than a lot of wind from the south, I don’t think it’s been that bad.
> Having said that, I did see several trees down and a lot of stuff dropped
> out of them like you would see after a hurricane or strong thunderstorm
> while running errands this morning, so maybe it was pretty rowdy. Must have
> been so overnight as I didn’t see anything during the day.
> >>>
> >>> It’s the dry season here so any rain is a big help.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:10 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  We have been getting quite a storm today. Like a tropical storm
> and raining quite hard. Started late last night. Lots of thunder earlier. I
> went on a little ramble while the rain slacked off checking out the
> flooding and effects of this storm. It’s fairly warm so not unpleasant. The
> road to Seabrook was closed earlier at high tide at the Haulover (between 2
> creeks and the marsh) and there’s still maybe 6” over the road by the
> marina. Some people are braving it but still blasting through like morons.
> Lots of other moronic behavior related to driving through high water
> earlier it appears. “I have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!!!”  Saw 4 or 5 high-end SUVs
> (Audi BMW Lexi no Benzes) on flatbed haulers getting dragged to the shop
> and 2  one with water draining out of the front under pan. I guess they
> didn’t have high enough clearance to blast through a foot of water.
> 
>  All those electronics in there get Very Unhappy as I guess
> they’ll find out soon enough. And I doubt if insurance or warranty will be
> prone to pay for stupidity like that.
> 
>  Rain started fairly hard again. I forgot to look at my rain gauge
> but my cousin in Savannah earlier said they had 5” so far.
> 
>  The very high tide had the back yard flooded pretty good earlier.
> 

Re: [MBZ] Quite a storm today

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

It didn’t happen 

--FT
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> On Dec 17, 2023, at 8:02 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> But what about the things that fell that you didn’t hear?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:55 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There wasn’t much wind here although this morning I heard something big fall 
>> in the woods but didn’t see anything
>> 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
 On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It was definitely rowdier on the Atlantic side of the peninsula, at least 
>>> from what I recall of yesterday’s radar.
>>> 
>>> I had a neighbor who used to be a deckhand and later a tugboat master in 
>>> Tampa Bay. He talked about how a loaded freighter or cruise ship could push 
>>> you around like a toy in a bathtub if things got rowdy. Some of the smaller 
>>> ships can come in and use their bow and stern thrusters, but even they 
>>> can’t handle it when the winds kick up.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I saw some posts in some fakebook cruise groups I am in a bunch of ships 
 are sitting outside the port in Ft. Lauderdale IIRC waiting to dock.  A 
 lot of people complaining they could not dock down in the Bahamas due to 
 high wind and rough seas.
 
> On 12/17/2023 4:36 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Could very well have been. When it gets windy, they’ll close the port, so 
> they have to sit out in the Gulf and wait for it to open. The cruise 
> terminal is right down the street from my office, but I avoid it like the 
> plague, of course. It’s either going 100 miles an hour because there are 
> ships in port, or it’s shuttered.
> 
> No doubt it was windier than it usually can be during a storm, but it 
> just didn’t seem all that bad to me. I was watching the radar all 
> afternoon yesterday to see when the dookie was going to hit the fan, but 
> there was very little that affected us. Most of the rowdy stuff was out 
> in the Gulf or to the east of us as it moved north.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I will say lots of cruise ships didn’t get to dock at their ports and 
>> seas were rough, so I read.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2023, at 4:19 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> They ginned this one up like it was going to be a Big Deal, but other 
>>> than a lot of wind from the south, I don’t think it’s been that bad. 
>>> Having said that, I did see several trees down and a lot of stuff 
>>> dropped out of them like you would see after a hurricane or strong 
>>> thunderstorm while running errands this morning, so maybe it was pretty 
>>> rowdy. Must have been so overnight as I didn’t see anything during the 
>>> day.
>>> 
>>> It’s the dry season here so any rain is a big help.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:10 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 We have been getting quite a storm today. Like a tropical storm and 
 raining quite hard. Started late last night. Lots of thunder earlier. 
 I went on a little ramble while the rain slacked off checking out the 
 flooding and effects of this storm. It’s fairly warm so not 
 unpleasant. The road to Seabrook was closed earlier at high tide at 
 the Haulover (between 2 creeks and the marsh) and there’s still maybe 
 6” over the road by the marina. Some people are braving it but still 
 blasting through like morons.  Lots of other moronic behavior related 
 to driving through high water earlier it appears. “I have FOUR WHEEL 
 DRIVE!!!”  Saw 4 or 5 high-end SUVs (Audi BMW Lexi no Benzes) on 
 flatbed haulers getting dragged to the shop and 2  one with water 
 draining out of the front under pan. I guess they didn’t have high 
 enough clearance to blast through a foot of water.
 
 All those electronics in there get Very Unhappy as I guess they’ll 
 find out soon enough. And I doubt if insurance or warranty will be 
 prone to pay for stupidity like that.
 
 Rain started fairly hard again. I forgot to look at my rain gauge but 
 my cousin in Savannah earlier said they had 5” so far.
 
 The very high tide had the back yard flooded pretty good earlier. A 
 buddy down the road had about a foot of water over his dock on the 
 creek.
 
 
 
 --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Quite a storm today

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

But what about the things that fell that you didn’t hear?

-D

> On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:55 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There wasn’t much wind here although this morning I heard something big fall 
> in the woods but didn’t see anything 
> 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It was definitely rowdier on the Atlantic side of the peninsula, at least 
>> from what I recall of yesterday’s radar.
>> 
>> I had a neighbor who used to be a deckhand and later a tugboat master in 
>> Tampa Bay. He talked about how a loaded freighter or cruise ship could push 
>> you around like a toy in a bathtub if things got rowdy. Some of the smaller 
>> ships can come in and use their bow and stern thrusters, but even they can’t 
>> handle it when the winds kick up.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I saw some posts in some fakebook cruise groups I am in a bunch of ships 
>>> are sitting outside the port in Ft. Lauderdale IIRC waiting to dock.  A lot 
>>> of people complaining they could not dock down in the Bahamas due to high 
>>> wind and rough seas.
>>> 
 On 12/17/2023 4:36 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 Could very well have been. When it gets windy, they’ll close the port, so 
 they have to sit out in the Gulf and wait for it to open. The cruise 
 terminal is right down the street from my office, but I avoid it like the 
 plague, of course. It’s either going 100 miles an hour because there are 
 ships in port, or it’s shuttered.
 
 No doubt it was windier than it usually can be during a storm, but it just 
 didn’t seem all that bad to me. I was watching the radar all afternoon 
 yesterday to see when the dookie was going to hit the fan, but there was 
 very little that affected us. Most of the rowdy stuff was out in the Gulf 
 or to the east of us as it moved north.
 
 -D
 
> On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I will say lots of cruise ships didn’t get to dock at their ports and 
> seas were rough, so I read.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2023, at 4:19 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> They ginned this one up like it was going to be a Big Deal, but other 
>> than a lot of wind from the south, I don’t think it’s been that bad. 
>> Having said that, I did see several trees down and a lot of stuff 
>> dropped out of them like you would see after a hurricane or strong 
>> thunderstorm while running errands this morning, so maybe it was pretty 
>> rowdy. Must have been so overnight as I didn’t see anything during the 
>> day.
>> 
>> It’s the dry season here so any rain is a big help.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:10 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We have been getting quite a storm today. Like a tropical storm and 
>>> raining quite hard. Started late last night. Lots of thunder earlier. I 
>>> went on a little ramble while the rain slacked off checking out the 
>>> flooding and effects of this storm. It’s fairly warm so not unpleasant. 
>>> The road to Seabrook was closed earlier at high tide at the Haulover 
>>> (between 2 creeks and the marsh) and there’s still maybe 6” over the 
>>> road by the marina. Some people are braving it but still blasting 
>>> through like morons.  Lots of other moronic behavior related to driving 
>>> through high water earlier it appears. “I have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!!!”  
>>> Saw 4 or 5 high-end SUVs (Audi BMW Lexi no Benzes) on flatbed haulers 
>>> getting dragged to the shop and 2  one with water draining out of the 
>>> front under pan. I guess they didn’t have high enough clearance to 
>>> blast through a foot of water.
>>> 
>>> All those electronics in there get Very Unhappy as I guess they’ll find 
>>> out soon enough. And I doubt if insurance or warranty will be prone to 
>>> pay for stupidity like that.
>>> 
>>> Rain started fairly hard again. I forgot to look at my rain gauge but 
>>> my cousin in Savannah earlier said they had 5” so far.
>>> 
>>> The very high tide had the back yard flooded pretty good earlier. A 
>>> buddy down the road had about a foot of water over his dock on the 
>>> creek.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
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Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

yes great list of diesel engines. I have had 616, 617, & 602.

On Sun, Dec 17, 2023, 7:22 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Seems like OM615, 616, 617, 601, 602, 603 and 606 are the way to go…..
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 17, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The OM251 has the timing chain at the rear. I have heard they have a
> problem stretching and breaking.
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Oil cooler issues have never arisen in either my E250 or GLK 250.
> This is
> >> only a problem in the 6 cylinder models, e.g. ML 350 Bluetec..
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 10:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I agree, an older mechanical diesel is still desirable but the newer
> ones
> >>> with DEF and emissions crap and computers required to run them I would
> >>> avoid. They are really only suitable for drivers who need to make
> frequent
> >>> long highway trips. If you're driving infrequently and/or on mostly
> short
> >>> errands they are the wrong choice.
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, at 17:36, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>  Or simply stick with a gasser.
> 
>  I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel
> any
>  more, especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and DEF
>  crapola?
> 
>  AZBob
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to
> >>> avoid DEF.
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> >> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right
> now,
> >>> many of them reasonably priced.
> >> Steer clear?
> >> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He  maintains,
> >>> that among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350.
> >> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be
> deliberate.
> >>> I’m not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if
> I get
> >>> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a
> >>> trailer.
> >>
> >> Here we go.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Seems like OM615, 616, 617, 601, 602, 603 and 606 are the way to go…..

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> On Dec 17, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The OM251 has the timing chain at the rear. I have heard they have a problem 
> stretching and breaking.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Oil cooler issues have never arisen in either my E250 or GLK 250.  This is
>> only a problem in the 6 cylinder models, e.g. ML 350 Bluetec..
>> 
>>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 10:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree, an older mechanical diesel is still desirable but the newer ones
>>> with DEF and emissions crap and computers required to run them I would
>>> avoid. They are really only suitable for drivers who need to make frequent
>>> long highway trips. If you're driving infrequently and/or on mostly short
>>> errands they are the wrong choice.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, at 17:36, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
 Or simply stick with a gasser.
 
 I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel any
 more, especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and DEF
 crapola?
 
 AZBob
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to
>>> avoid DEF.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now,
>>> many of them reasonably priced.
>> Steer clear?
>> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He  maintains,
>>> that among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350.
>> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate.
>>> I’m not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get
>>> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a
>>> trailer.
>> 
>> Here we go.
>> 
>> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] Quite a storm today

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

There wasn’t much wind here although this morning I heard something big fall in 
the woods but didn’t see anything 


--FT
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> On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It was definitely rowdier on the Atlantic side of the peninsula, at least 
> from what I recall of yesterday’s radar.
> 
> I had a neighbor who used to be a deckhand and later a tugboat master in 
> Tampa Bay. He talked about how a loaded freighter or cruise ship could push 
> you around like a toy in a bathtub if things got rowdy. Some of the smaller 
> ships can come in and use their bow and stern thrusters, but even they can’t 
> handle it when the winds kick up.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I saw some posts in some fakebook cruise groups I am in a bunch of ships are 
>> sitting outside the port in Ft. Lauderdale IIRC waiting to dock.  A lot of 
>> people complaining they could not dock down in the Bahamas due to high wind 
>> and rough seas.
>> 
>>> On 12/17/2023 4:36 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Could very well have been. When it gets windy, they’ll close the port, so 
>>> they have to sit out in the Gulf and wait for it to open. The cruise 
>>> terminal is right down the street from my office, but I avoid it like the 
>>> plague, of course. It’s either going 100 miles an hour because there are 
>>> ships in port, or it’s shuttered.
>>> 
>>> No doubt it was windier than it usually can be during a storm, but it just 
>>> didn’t seem all that bad to me. I was watching the radar all afternoon 
>>> yesterday to see when the dookie was going to hit the fan, but there was 
>>> very little that affected us. Most of the rowdy stuff was out in the Gulf 
>>> or to the east of us as it moved north.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I will say lots of cruise ships didn’t get to dock at their ports and seas 
 were rough, so I read.
 
 
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> On Dec 17, 2023, at 4:19 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> They ginned this one up like it was going to be a Big Deal, but other 
> than a lot of wind from the south, I don’t think it’s been that bad. 
> Having said that, I did see several trees down and a lot of stuff dropped 
> out of them like you would see after a hurricane or strong thunderstorm 
> while running errands this morning, so maybe it was pretty rowdy. Must 
> have been so overnight as I didn’t see anything during the day.
> 
> It’s the dry season here so any rain is a big help.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:10 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> We have been getting quite a storm today. Like a tropical storm and 
>> raining quite hard. Started late last night. Lots of thunder earlier. I 
>> went on a little ramble while the rain slacked off checking out the 
>> flooding and effects of this storm. It’s fairly warm so not unpleasant. 
>> The road to Seabrook was closed earlier at high tide at the Haulover 
>> (between 2 creeks and the marsh) and there’s still maybe 6” over the 
>> road by the marina. Some people are braving it but still blasting 
>> through like morons.  Lots of other moronic behavior related to driving 
>> through high water earlier it appears. “I have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!!!”  Saw 
>> 4 or 5 high-end SUVs (Audi BMW Lexi no Benzes) on flatbed haulers 
>> getting dragged to the shop and 2  one with water draining out of the 
>> front under pan. I guess they didn’t have high enough clearance to blast 
>> through a foot of water.
>> 
>> All those electronics in there get Very Unhappy as I guess they’ll find 
>> out soon enough. And I doubt if insurance or warranty will be prone to 
>> pay for stupidity like that.
>> 
>> Rain started fairly hard again. I forgot to look at my rain gauge but my 
>> cousin in Savannah earlier said they had 5” so far.
>> 
>> The very high tide had the back yard flooded pretty good earlier. A 
>> buddy down the road had about a foot of water over his dock on the creek.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Quite a storm today

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

It was definitely rowdier on the Atlantic side of the peninsula, at least from 
what I recall of yesterday’s radar.

I had a neighbor who used to be a deckhand and later a tugboat master in Tampa 
Bay. He talked about how a loaded freighter or cruise ship could push you 
around like a toy in a bathtub if things got rowdy. Some of the smaller ships 
can come in and use their bow and stern thrusters, but even they can’t handle 
it when the winds kick up.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I saw some posts in some fakebook cruise groups I am in a bunch of ships are 
> sitting outside the port in Ft. Lauderdale IIRC waiting to dock.  A lot of 
> people complaining they could not dock down in the Bahamas due to high wind 
> and rough seas.
> 
> On 12/17/2023 4:36 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Could very well have been. When it gets windy, they’ll close the port, so 
>> they have to sit out in the Gulf and wait for it to open. The cruise 
>> terminal is right down the street from my office, but I avoid it like the 
>> plague, of course. It’s either going 100 miles an hour because there are 
>> ships in port, or it’s shuttered.
>> 
>> No doubt it was windier than it usually can be during a storm, but it just 
>> didn’t seem all that bad to me. I was watching the radar all afternoon 
>> yesterday to see when the dookie was going to hit the fan, but there was 
>> very little that affected us. Most of the rowdy stuff was out in the Gulf or 
>> to the east of us as it moved north.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will say lots of cruise ships didn’t get to dock at their ports and seas 
>>> were rough, so I read.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 17, 2023, at 4:19 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 They ginned this one up like it was going to be a Big Deal, but other 
 than a lot of wind from the south, I don’t think it’s been that bad. 
 Having said that, I did see several trees down and a lot of stuff dropped 
 out of them like you would see after a hurricane or strong thunderstorm 
 while running errands this morning, so maybe it was pretty rowdy. Must 
 have been so overnight as I didn’t see anything during the day.
 
 It’s the dry season here so any rain is a big help.
 
 -D
 
> On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:10 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We have been getting quite a storm today. Like a tropical storm and 
> raining quite hard. Started late last night. Lots of thunder earlier. I 
> went on a little ramble while the rain slacked off checking out the 
> flooding and effects of this storm. It’s fairly warm so not unpleasant. 
> The road to Seabrook was closed earlier at high tide at the Haulover 
> (between 2 creeks and the marsh) and there’s still maybe 6” over the road 
> by the marina. Some people are braving it but still blasting through like 
> morons.  Lots of other moronic behavior related to driving through high 
> water earlier it appears. “I have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!!!”  Saw 4 or 5 
> high-end SUVs (Audi BMW Lexi no Benzes) on flatbed haulers getting 
> dragged to the shop and 2  one with water draining out of the front under 
> pan. I guess they didn’t have high enough clearance to blast through a 
> foot of water.
> 
> All those electronics in there get Very Unhappy as I guess they’ll find 
> out soon enough. And I doubt if insurance or warranty will be prone to 
> pay for stupidity like that.
> 
> Rain started fairly hard again. I forgot to look at my rain gauge but my 
> cousin in Savannah earlier said they had 5” so far.
> 
> The very high tide had the back yard flooded pretty good earlier. A buddy 
> down the road had about a foot of water over his dock on the creek.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Quite a storm today

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I saw some posts in some fakebook cruise groups I am in a bunch of ships 
are sitting outside the port in Ft. Lauderdale IIRC waiting to dock.  A 
lot of people complaining they could not dock down in the Bahamas due to 
high wind and rough seas.


On 12/17/2023 4:36 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Could very well have been. When it gets windy, they’ll close the port, so they 
have to sit out in the Gulf and wait for it to open. The cruise terminal is 
right down the street from my office, but I avoid it like the plague, of 
course. It’s either going 100 miles an hour because there are ships in port, or 
it’s shuttered.

No doubt it was windier than it usually can be during a storm, but it just 
didn’t seem all that bad to me. I was watching the radar all afternoon 
yesterday to see when the dookie was going to hit the fan, but there was very 
little that affected us. Most of the rowdy stuff was out in the Gulf or to the 
east of us as it moved north.

-D


On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I will say lots of cruise ships didn’t get to dock at their ports and seas were 
rough, so I read.


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 17, 2023, at 4:19 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:

They ginned this one up like it was going to be a Big Deal, but other than a 
lot of wind from the south, I don’t think it’s been that bad. Having said that, 
I did see several trees down and a lot of stuff dropped out of them like you 
would see after a hurricane or strong thunderstorm while running errands this 
morning, so maybe it was pretty rowdy. Must have been so overnight as I didn’t 
see anything during the day.

It’s the dry season here so any rain is a big help.

-D


On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:10 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:

We have been getting quite a storm today. Like a tropical storm and raining 
quite hard. Started late last night. Lots of thunder earlier. I went on a 
little ramble while the rain slacked off checking out the flooding and effects 
of this storm. It’s fairly warm so not unpleasant. The road to Seabrook was 
closed earlier at high tide at the Haulover (between 2 creeks and the marsh) 
and there’s still maybe 6” over the road by the marina. Some people are braving 
it but still blasting through like morons.  Lots of other moronic behavior 
related to driving through high water earlier it appears. “I have FOUR WHEEL 
DRIVE!!!”  Saw 4 or 5 high-end SUVs (Audi BMW Lexi no Benzes) on flatbed 
haulers getting dragged to the shop and 2  one with water draining out of the 
front under pan. I guess they didn’t have high enough clearance to blast 
through a foot of water.

All those electronics in there get Very Unhappy as I guess they’ll find out 
soon enough. And I doubt if insurance or warranty will be prone to pay for 
stupidity like that.

Rain started fairly hard again. I forgot to look at my rain gauge but my cousin 
in Savannah earlier said they had 5” so far.

The very high tide had the back yard flooded pretty good earlier. A buddy down 
the road had about a foot of water over his dock on the creek.



--FT
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Re: [MBZ] Quite a storm today

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Could very well have been. When it gets windy, they’ll close the port, so they 
have to sit out in the Gulf and wait for it to open. The cruise terminal is 
right down the street from my office, but I avoid it like the plague, of 
course. It’s either going 100 miles an hour because there are ships in port, or 
it’s shuttered.

No doubt it was windier than it usually can be during a storm, but it just 
didn’t seem all that bad to me. I was watching the radar all afternoon 
yesterday to see when the dookie was going to hit the fan, but there was very 
little that affected us. Most of the rowdy stuff was out in the Gulf or to the 
east of us as it moved north.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I will say lots of cruise ships didn’t get to dock at their ports and seas 
> were rough, so I read. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2023, at 4:19 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> They ginned this one up like it was going to be a Big Deal, but other than 
>> a lot of wind from the south, I don’t think it’s been that bad. Having said 
>> that, I did see several trees down and a lot of stuff dropped out of them 
>> like you would see after a hurricane or strong thunderstorm while running 
>> errands this morning, so maybe it was pretty rowdy. Must have been so 
>> overnight as I didn’t see anything during the day.
>> 
>> It’s the dry season here so any rain is a big help.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:10 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We have been getting quite a storm today. Like a tropical storm and raining 
>>> quite hard. Started late last night. Lots of thunder earlier. I went on a 
>>> little ramble while the rain slacked off checking out the flooding and 
>>> effects of this storm. It’s fairly warm so not unpleasant. The road to 
>>> Seabrook was closed earlier at high tide at the Haulover (between 2 creeks 
>>> and the marsh) and there’s still maybe 6” over the road by the marina. Some 
>>> people are braving it but still blasting through like morons.  Lots of 
>>> other moronic behavior related to driving through high water earlier it 
>>> appears. “I have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!!!”  Saw 4 or 5 high-end SUVs (Audi BMW 
>>> Lexi no Benzes) on flatbed haulers getting dragged to the shop and 2  one 
>>> with water draining out of the front under pan. I guess they didn’t have 
>>> high enough clearance to blast through a foot of water.
>>> 
>>> All those electronics in there get Very Unhappy as I guess they’ll find out 
>>> soon enough. And I doubt if insurance or warranty will be prone to pay for 
>>> stupidity like that.
>>> 
>>> Rain started fairly hard again. I forgot to look at my rain gauge but my 
>>> cousin in Savannah earlier said they had 5” so far.
>>> 
>>> The very high tide had the back yard flooded pretty good earlier. A buddy 
>>> down the road had about a foot of water over his dock on the creek.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Quite a storm today

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I will say lots of cruise ships didn’t get to dock at their ports and seas were 
rough, so I read. 


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> On Dec 17, 2023, at 4:19 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> They ginned this one up like it was going to be a Big Deal, but other than a 
> lot of wind from the south, I don’t think it’s been that bad. Having said 
> that, I did see several trees down and a lot of stuff dropped out of them 
> like you would see after a hurricane or strong thunderstorm while running 
> errands this morning, so maybe it was pretty rowdy. Must have been so 
> overnight as I didn’t see anything during the day.
> 
> It’s the dry season here so any rain is a big help.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:10 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> We have been getting quite a storm today. Like a tropical storm and raining 
>> quite hard. Started late last night. Lots of thunder earlier. I went on a 
>> little ramble while the rain slacked off checking out the flooding and 
>> effects of this storm. It’s fairly warm so not unpleasant. The road to 
>> Seabrook was closed earlier at high tide at the Haulover (between 2 creeks 
>> and the marsh) and there’s still maybe 6” over the road by the marina. Some 
>> people are braving it but still blasting through like morons.  Lots of other 
>> moronic behavior related to driving through high water earlier it appears. 
>> “I have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!!!”  Saw 4 or 5 high-end SUVs (Audi BMW Lexi no 
>> Benzes) on flatbed haulers getting dragged to the shop and 2  one with water 
>> draining out of the front under pan. I guess they didn’t have high enough 
>> clearance to blast through a foot of water.
>> 
>> All those electronics in there get Very Unhappy as I guess they’ll find out 
>> soon enough. And I doubt if insurance or warranty will be prone to pay for 
>> stupidity like that.
>> 
>> Rain started fairly hard again. I forgot to look at my rain gauge but my 
>> cousin in Savannah earlier said they had 5” so far.
>> 
>> The very high tide had the back yard flooded pretty good earlier. A buddy 
>> down the road had about a foot of water over his dock on the creek.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Quite a storm today

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They ginned this one up like it was going to be a Big Deal, but other than a 
lot of wind from the south, I don’t think it’s been that bad. Having said that, 
I did see several trees down and a lot of stuff dropped out of them like you 
would see after a hurricane or strong thunderstorm while running errands this 
morning, so maybe it was pretty rowdy. Must have been so overnight as I didn’t 
see anything during the day.

It’s the dry season here so any rain is a big help.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2023, at 5:10 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> 
> We have been getting quite a storm today. Like a tropical storm and raining 
> quite hard. Started late last night. Lots of thunder earlier. I went on a 
> little ramble while the rain slacked off checking out the flooding and 
> effects of this storm. It’s fairly warm so not unpleasant. The road to 
> Seabrook was closed earlier at high tide at the Haulover (between 2 creeks 
> and the marsh) and there’s still maybe 6” over the road by the marina. Some 
> people are braving it but still blasting through like morons.  Lots of other 
> moronic behavior related to driving through high water earlier it appears. “I 
> have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!!!”  Saw 4 or 5 high-end SUVs (Audi BMW Lexi no Benzes) 
> on flatbed haulers getting dragged to the shop and 2  one with water draining 
> out of the front under pan. I guess they didn’t have high enough clearance to 
> blast through a foot of water. 
> 
> All those electronics in there get Very Unhappy as I guess they’ll find out 
> soon enough. And I doubt if insurance or warranty will be prone to pay for 
> stupidity like that. 
> 
> Rain started fairly hard again. I forgot to look at my rain gauge but my 
> cousin in Savannah earlier said they had 5” so far. 
> 
> The very high tide had the back yard flooded pretty good earlier. A buddy 
> down the road had about a foot of water over his dock on the creek. 
> 
> 
> 
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[MBZ] Quite a storm today

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

We have been getting quite a storm today. Like a tropical storm and raining 
quite hard. Started late last night. Lots of thunder earlier. I went on a 
little ramble while the rain slacked off checking out the flooding and effects 
of this storm. It’s fairly warm so not unpleasant. The road to Seabrook was 
closed earlier at high tide at the Haulover (between 2 creeks and the marsh) 
and there’s still maybe 6” over the road by the marina. Some people are braving 
it but still blasting through like morons.  Lots of other moronic behavior 
related to driving through high water earlier it appears. “I have FOUR WHEEL 
DRIVE!!!”  Saw 4 or 5 high-end SUVs (Audi BMW Lexi no Benzes) on flatbed 
haulers getting dragged to the shop and 2  one with water draining out of the 
front under pan. I guess they didn’t have high enough clearance to blast 
through a foot of water. 

All those electronics in there get Very Unhappy as I guess they’ll find out 
soon enough. And I doubt if insurance or warranty will be prone to pay for 
stupidity like that. 

Rain started fairly hard again. I forgot to look at my rain gauge but my cousin 
in Savannah earlier said they had 5” so far. 

The very high tide had the back yard flooded pretty good earlier. A buddy down 
the road had about a foot of water over his dock on the creek. 



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[MBZ] This could be a good deal 2010 Mercedes-Benz r-class R 350 4MATIC Sport Wagon 4D, $2, 700

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Changing rear airbag is no big deal

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/574082341564719

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[MBZ] Car for sale with engine failure and I don't have time to fix it 2005 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 500 Sedan 4D, $1, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

$400 for parts unless it is something simple

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1076579230153738

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[MBZ] Fairly low miles and clean, nice colors -- 2006 Mercedes-Benz s-class S 500 4MATIC Sedan 4D, $6, 300

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Ask is too high

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/898155278607916/

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[MBZ] Only another $150k after you buy it

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https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-mercedes-benz-300sel-6-3-4/

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[MBZ] I like this Maybach

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3LQYWAg7/2004-maybach-62

—FT

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Re: [MBZ] OT Ain't this sumpin -- 1985 Baker-Zaiker 1 of 12, $30, 000

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Yes, the addition of the candelabra on the front fenders I found to be quite 
tasteful, along the lines of “Grey Poupon” sort of stuff.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> I remember him driving that thing. The lamps on the fenders were a nice touch
> 
> —FT
> 
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>> On Dec 17, 2023, at 12:30 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.themix.org.uk/travel-and-lifestyle/thegranddraw-enter-for-a-chance-to-win-this-car-49165.html
>> 
>> I'm just sayin'.
>> 
>> -MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] OT Ain't this sumpin -- 1985 Baker-Zaiker 1 of 12, $30, 000

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I remember him driving that thing. The lamps on the fenders were a nice touch

—FT

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> On Dec 17, 2023, at 12:30 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> https://www.themix.org.uk/travel-and-lifestyle/thegranddraw-enter-for-a-chance-to-win-this-car-49165.html
> 
> I'm just sayin'.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb Car

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

That would be a decent ride, fix the bumper if it is a botheration

—FT

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> On Dec 17, 2023, at 10:34 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> 
> [00h0h_ceWFXa40XmI_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
> 1999 mercedes benz e320 for sale by owner - Naples, FL - 
> craigslist
> fortmyers.craigslist.org
> 
> 
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[MBZ] Kleb Car

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

[00h0h_ceWFXa40XmI_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
1999 mercedes benz e320 for sale by owner - Naples, FL - 
craigslist
fortmyers.craigslist.org


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Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

The OM251 has the timing chain at the rear. I have heard they have a problem 
stretching and breaking.


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> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Oil cooler issues have never arisen in either my E250 or GLK 250.  This is
> only a problem in the 6 cylinder models, e.g. ML 350 Bluetec..
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 10:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree, an older mechanical diesel is still desirable but the newer ones
>> with DEF and emissions crap and computers required to run them I would
>> avoid. They are really only suitable for drivers who need to make frequent
>> long highway trips. If you're driving infrequently and/or on mostly short
>> errands they are the wrong choice.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, at 17:36, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Or simply stick with a gasser.
>>> 
>>> I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel any
>>> more, especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and DEF
>>> crapola?
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
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 On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to
>> avoid DEF.
 
 
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> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now,
>> many of them reasonably priced.
> Steer clear?
> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He  maintains,
>> that among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350.
> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate.
>> I’m not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get
>> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a
>> trailer.
> 
> Here we go.
> 
> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] OT Ain't this sumpin -- 1985 Baker-Zaiker 1 of 12, $30, 000

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

And they’ve only raised 27,000 pounds for it, so that says something about 
value.

-D


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> 
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