from:"Dan Penoff"

I always like the “Lights from Mars” on the front of fire trucks. Those are 
cool.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Light

-D

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Don't get me started about how bright police lights are now. Blinding,
>> very distracting, and the hyperactive strobing makes it even worse. The
>> old rotating gumball lights were tolerable and certainly visible enough.
> 
> I saw a girl felled on the street by one, kind of an epileptic seizure.
> It was even making me woozy.  Traffic control at a parade.  Absolutely
> f'n idiotic design.  Right out of the "brighter/faster MUST be better, right?"
> school of thought.
> 
> The gumball lights were MUCH more friendly, yet plenty visible.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Headlight Bulbs

I had some assh*t behind me on the way to work one morning in a jacked up 
pickup truck with one of the LED light bars hung under his front bumper, which 
was about at my rear view mirror height. I kept brake checking him because he 
was riding my rear, so then I just slowed down so he would pass me. After he 
did I was blinded enough by his light bar that I had to use my brights until he 
was well ahead of me.

They live in the neighborhood, so I made sure I got their license number and 
forwarded it to our community service officer (sheriff) that is responsible for 
the neighborhood.

-D

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> The two worst offenders were an idiot going down the freeway towing a 3 
>> car slant with a giant off road 'LED light bar' on his grille, damn near 
>> blinded me with my door mirror. And another guy with a similar light bar 
>> on his roof driving on a two lane side road. At least he turned it off 
>> before he got to me, but not soon enough to suit my eyes.
> 
> I'm pretty sure light bars (whether incandescent/halogen or LED) are
> illegal everywhere for street use. But I've never seen it enforced.
> 
> Don't get me started about how bright police lights are now. Blinding,
> very distracting, and the hyperactive strobing makes it even worse. The
> old rotating gumball lights were tolerable and certainly visible enough.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New Car

Exactly. At least there always has been for me. And if the seller doesn’t want 
to negotiate, I know if I want it bad enough what it’s going to cost me.

-D



> On Oct 14, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Best negotiating tool you can have - be willing to walk away...
> 
> There's always another car...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New Car

It was advertised at $3200. I looked at it on Friday. It remained listed on CL 
through yesterday. I wasn’t terribly excited about it, so I sort of sandbagged 
on doing anything.

I decided to offer the guy $2600.

I texted him an offer. He asked if he could wait until tomorrow because he had 
someone coming to see the car. I told him no, as I didn’t want to become a 
point of negotiation.

He went quiet for about 30 minutes then texted me back that he would take my 
offer.

Best negotiating tool you can have - be willing to walk away...

And yes, it’s smoke silver. Never understood why they didn’t just call it gold. 
Mushroom interior in very good shape.

-D

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 8:21 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like a good deal (whatever you paid!) and a decent ride. 210 is a 
> good transpo appliance. 
> 
> I think every 210 was silver!  No, wait, I have a white E300 here... 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 14, 2020, at 5:49 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Bought the 1999 E320 4Matic with 143k and two owners. Originally delivered 
>> in PA, shortly after moving to Sarasota, FL. Smoke silver (yuck!) with 
>> mushroom interior.
>> 
>> I’ve driven it about five miles and all appears to be well. It runs well, 
>> has plenty of get up and go, and everything works, even the CD changer.
>> 
>> Ran a full set of diagnostics and got a lot of little “F”s, nearly all that 
>> were related to battery replacement. Cleared all the codes and none came 
>> back, so that’s good. The guy I bought it from put a conductor plate in it 
>> so I reset the adaptations on the transmission.
>> 
>> Went through and made a “list ‘o’ parts” for my dealer guy, mostly soft 
>> stuff as the car doesn’t seem to have much in the way of needs. I’ve got to 
>> pull the cluster to change the bulb behind the odometer, as it appears to be 
>> out, and the turn signal stalk seems sort of stiff but the signals cancel, 
>> so something may be going on there I’ll have a look at.
>> 
>> All in all it seems like a pretty solid car. I’ll Martha the heck out of it 
>> over the next few days and drive it some more to become more familiar with 
>> it.
>> 
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[MBZ] New Car

Bought the 1999 E320 4Matic with 143k and two owners. Originally delivered in 
PA, shortly after moving to Sarasota, FL. Smoke silver (yuck!) with mushroom 
interior.

I’ve driven it about five miles and all appears to be well. It runs well, has 
plenty of get up and go, and everything works, even the CD changer.

Ran a full set of diagnostics and got a lot of little “F”s, nearly all that 
were related to battery replacement. Cleared all the codes and none came back, 
so that’s good. The guy I bought it from put a conductor plate in it so I reset 
the adaptations on the transmission.

Went through and made a “list ‘o’ parts” for my dealer guy, mostly soft stuff 
as the car doesn’t seem to have much in the way of needs. I’ve got to pull the 
cluster to change the bulb behind the odometer, as it appears to be out, and 
the turn signal stalk seems sort of stiff but the signals cancel, so something 
may be going on there I’ll have a look at.

All in all it seems like a pretty solid car. I’ll Martha the heck out of it 
over the next few days and drive it some more to become more familiar with it.

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Re: [MBZ] Re W211 Headlight Bulbs

I never do. In fact, I use an alcohol wipe on them any time they’re handled 
just to be sure there’s nothing on the glass envelope. A box of those little 
single use squares is cheap as wine and they’re really handy in the shop for 
all sorts of things.

-D

> On Oct 14, 2020, at 1:03 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> One thing to remember with the halogen bulbs is you aren't supposed to touch 
> them bare handed. The oils from your fingers get on the glass and severely 
> shorten their useful lifespan. I have had silver star ultras last several 
> years (800-1000 hours).
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
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> Sent: October 13, 2020 9:44 PM
> To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> Cc: ned.kleinh...@gmail.com
> Subject: [MBZ] Re W211 Headlight Bulbs
> 
> I have been buying Orsam-Sylvania H7 (halogen) bulbs from O’Reilly’s.  They
> sell four different price levels of H7 from Basic to XtraVision to
> SilverStar to SilverStar Ultra.  Each successive level represents an
> increase in lumens, color temperature and projected beam distance.  But if
> you read the small print on the back of the bulb packages, you’ll see as
> the price (and performance levels) increase, the life expectancies
> decrease.  Last night O’Reilly’s did not have a Basic or SilverStar Ultra
> available.  I picked up a $17 XtraVision that has a life expectancy of 150
> hours.  I noted the $25 SilverStar is expected to last only about 83 hours.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Re W211 Headlight Bulbs

I really liked the output and color of the Silver Star and Silver Star Ultras, 
but as you mentioned, I found the useful lives of these pretty lousy. At nearly 
$30/pair it was tough to justify replacing them on a regular basis.

-D

> On Oct 13, 2020, at 10:47 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 2020-10-13 22:43, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes wrote:
>> I have been buying Orsam-Sylvania H7 (halogen) bulbs from O’Reilly’s.
> 
> Good. I doubt they have counterfeiters in their supply chain.
> 
> Buying from Amazon means buying from every Tom, Dick, and Harry who subscribe 
> to 'Fulfillment by Amazon' because Amazon commingles inventory with them.
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Re: [MBZ] Mechnical interest/aptitude is not inherited

Accept it, Allen.

I’ve got two boys (men, really), one of which has no interest in cars or even 
maintaining then, it’s just transportation from point A to point B. However, 
when tasked, he’s actually done his own repairs, but that was during a fairly 
short period of time a few years ago and has not occurred since. Not sure what 
the impetus was, but it apparently passed and has not returned.

My youngest isn’t so much into cars, but he understands the value of 
maintaining his and is very good about conducting routine maintenance and even 
repairs when they’ve been necessary. He has a good grasp of how internal 
combustion engines operate and could probably figure most things out with a 
combination of research and tinkering.

It’s clearly not something that’s a part of their DNA.

I don’t fret about it too much. I just offer to assist when necessary and 
gladly offer insight and advice whenever they’re looking over my shoulder when 
they pass by in the garage and I’m working. Our generation was a lot different 
in so many ways, I just accept it as a generational thing and do my best to 
kindle anything in the way of interest when it pops up.

-D

> On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:54 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oldest boy was driving the Focus home tonight. Temperature got hot. He
> continued to drive. Temperature got hotter. He stopped and put what
> water he had in the reservoir (maybe a quart). He noted steam escaping
> from the left hand side of the engine. He got back in and drove home.
> 
> I go out to try to refill the coolant, and now it's just pouring out
> around the flange of the thermostat housing.
> 
> I swear I eyeballed the reservoir tank when I replaced the alternator a
> few weeks ago and it was fine.
> 
> Hoping it's just a failed gasket. The zetec engine supposedly has some
> protection that will shut down cylinders to pump air through the engine
> if it's getting too hot. Hopefully that still works.
> 
> I was rebuilding engines at age 16. This kid hardly understands how an
> engine works and doesn't seem interested to learn. Which is fine, not
> everyone is into that stuff, but it's a little weird how different he
> and I are.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Headlight Bulbs

Enough piracy of their bulbs that they have a QR code on “real” ones you can 
scan and verify authenticity on their web site. I bought some real HID lamps a 
few months ago and they were around $50/each. You could find all sorts of 
pirated ones on eBay and elsewhere for half that.

-D

> On Oct 13, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-10-13 17:06, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> More importantly, what brand bulbs have you been using? Many are junk,
>> even brand name ones.
> 
> Good point. I know there are counterfeit OSRAM/Sylvania bulbs out there, and 
> some of them appear to have more money spent on making the fake OSRAM box 
> than in making the bulb. I still think the Lesjofours (spelling) springs I 
> bought on eBay five years ago are fakes, but the boxes are reasonably 
> convincing.
> 
> I'll buy some things from eBay or Amazon, but never again car parts unless 
> they're used OE or coming from a known vendor like Discount Tire. (Discount 
> Tire's eBay store sold me a set of Generals for the 210 wagon for less than 
> Discount Tire or Discount Tire Online would)
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Re: [MBZ] W211 Headlight Bulbs

More importantly, what brand bulbs have you been using? Many are junk, even 
brand name ones.

-D

> On Oct 13, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> LEDs = lots of unfocused light to blind other drivers with.
> Some LEDs try to approximate filament bulbs, and those which allow you to 
> rotate them for best orientation are coming closer than ever, but none of 
> them really focus right with reflector/lens made for hot filament bulbs.
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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

I would agree with your observations on the W163. Definitely more of a truck 
than a car.

-D

> On Oct 13, 2020, at 9:11 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Interesting...have they been trying to sell it since Thanksgiving, or did 
> they sell it, buy it back and list it at a higher price?
> 
> https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=562277598
> 
> 
> As for the W163...after 3 years and 3000 miles, I think it's like a 210, but 
> shorter, bouncier, heavier (body on frame), with a two range transfer case 
> and C-class interior. Anybody disagree with that?<2003 
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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

Good points, Allen, however, I know where you live and fortunately I won’t have 
the challenges you do as far as hills.

Based on your experiences it sounds like 4Matic would be beneficial anyway.

Thanks!

-D

> On Oct 12, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you're talking about Indiana specifically, I can relate my
> experiences.
> 
> My RWD diesels (W116 and W123) are useless in the snow. Especially with
> the diesel torque they spin out very easily. Out in the county there are
> some hills that have created predicaments for me more than once.
> 
> Same thing has happened with my FWD Volvo XC90, though at the time I was
> also being limited by the traction control. I didn't realize it could be
> turned off and that might have helped me get a better running start at
> the hill. As it was I was close to home so I had one of the boys come
> with the 4WD Frontier and a chain which pulled the Volvo and itself up
> the same hill without issue.
> 
> The one thing missing from the above is good snow tires. I've never
> sprung for that expense, though the Volvo needs new front tires before
> the winter so I will probably do that this winter.
> 
> The AWD Element, prior to its current transmission issues, has also been
> good in snow and has all-season tires.
> 
> So I would say if you're not getting the 4Matic, at least plan to get
> good snow tires.
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> I’m curious to know from those who have experienced it - do you think the 
>> 4Matic is worthwhile in inclement weather or northern climates with snow?
>> 
>> I ask because I was considering this as a requirement for my northern car, 
>> but it’s narrowed the choices so much that I’m wondering if I’m 
>> overemphasizing the value of it.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

Thanks, Mitch! Didn’t know that, just made the assumption since it’s badged as 
an ML350.

I may check it out.

-D


> On Oct 12, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> 
> On 2020-10-12 16:03, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Probably not that often, but if I’m going to find a car for there, I
>> would prefer it to be equipped for the climate in case we’re up there
>> in the winter.
>> I’ve been looking at MLs around here, too. Almost nothing. There’s a
>> 2004 ML350 I could get for a good price, but it’s got 140k on it,
>> meaning the balance shaft is probably about ready to pop. I don’t
>> need/want/have time for projects right now.
> 
> Check the data card.
> My 2003 has the 3.7L M112, with the ignition coils that never make it to 300k.
> As best as I can recall, they never put the junk 3.5 in the W163, just W211 
> and W164.
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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

Probably not that often, but if I’m going to find a car for there, I would 
prefer it to be equipped for the climate in case we’re up there in the winter.

I’ve been looking at MLs around here, too. Almost nothing. There’s a 2004 ML350 
I could get for a good price, but it’s got 140k on it, meaning the balance 
shaft is probably about ready to pop. I don’t need/want/have time for projects 
right now.

The used car market is a real b*tch right now. Slim pickings everywhere.

-D

> On Oct 12, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’m curious to know from those who have experienced it - do you think the 
> 4Matic is worthwhile in inclement weather or northern climates with snow?
> 
> I ask because I was considering this as a requirement for my northern car, 
> but it’s narrowed the choices so much that I’m wondering if I’m 
> overemphasizing the value of it.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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[MBZ] 4Matic - Is It Worth It?

I’m curious to know from those who have experienced it - do you think the 
4Matic is worthwhile in inclement weather or northern climates with snow?

I ask because I was considering this as a requirement for my northern car, but 
it’s narrowed the choices so much that I’m wondering if I’m overemphasizing the 
value of it.

Thanks,

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Re: [MBZ] senior citizen owned and driven

Mitch beat me to it.

Also until the oil cooler starts leaking and you have to replace the seal.

-D

> On Oct 12, 2020, at 4:18 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> Might be a decent deal?
> 
> https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-2006-mercedes-350/721167.html
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Re: [MBZ] post office higher-ups are removing the German automaker's iconic three-point star emblem from the front of the vehicles

We had a contract carrier a few years ago that had a basic Chevy, like a 
Cavalier or Impala, that had rigged a steering wheel on the right side of the 
cabin with a spare steering column and a couple of bicycle sprockets and chain. 
It looked real Rube Goldberg but it was actually pretty cool. Of course the car 
was a beater, but it did the job.

-D

> On Oct 12, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> All of the carriers from Olivet and some of them  from Charlotte are still 
> delivering in private vehicles. (my mom's Charlotte route is served with a 
> USPS van, mine by whatever the carrier owns)
> 
> And it's getting harder and harder to find something with a clear floor that 
> lets you stab at the pedals from the right seat. Something, especially 
> something hybrid or long range EV, that lets you switch sides with the 
> steering wheel would be perfect for rural carriers, if the pedals are 
> likewise usable.
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Re: [MBZ] The Search Continues...

2020-10-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

I think the lack of an engine driven fan is what threw me off. I thought that 
was one of the indicators of a facelift car. Now I know better. Thanks!

I’m thinking about making the guy an offer of maybe $2600 and seeing what his 
reaction is. It still listed today, so I don’t think he’s had any takers yet. 
He said there were some people who were supposed to come by yesterday and look 
at it.

Hmm.

-D

> On Oct 10, 2020, at 8:55 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The 99 will not have steering wheel controls, that started in 00 with the 
> facelift models. Every year from 96-99 was just a little bit different then 
> the facelift models were pretty much the same till the end of the run. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Good to know. I couldn’t figure out how this would be the case. I’ll have 
>> to go back and look at pictures for the steering wheel - I could have been 
>> confusing it with the 2001 I looked at today.
>> 
>> I really like the electric fan. Makes so much more room in the engine 
>> compartment.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 8:14 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The 99 in the link below is not a facelift car. The electric engine fan 
>>> started 99 pre facelift. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I would add that the 99 model was facelift car, so it’s got the newer 
>>>> stuff in the cabin and things like electric cooling fan instead of the 
>>>> engine driven one.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nope. Most dealers won’t let an owner see the VMI, short of maybe letting 
>>>>> them look at it on the computer screen. I have a source for them that 
>>>>> emails them to me. I just haven’t had a chance to get them the 
>>>>> information. I might still get it today, if not, Monday for sure.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We’ll see. I’m still sort of “meh” on this one, but the pickings are 
>>>>> really slim around here for just about anything decent and used, or so it 
>>>>> seems. I hate to act fro desperation as I’m not under any pressure, but I 
>>>>> also don’t want to buy something and not have time to thoroughly vet it 
>>>>> before I drive it across country.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -D
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel >>>>>> <mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Can just the owner order a VMI?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> $2800 is close enough to asking price so you will probably succeed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 4:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>>>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>>>>>> <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Went looking at a couple of W210s sedans with 4Matic, not something 
>>>>>> that’s common around here.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> First one:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html>
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html>>
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html><https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pretty so

Re: [MBZ] Motorwagen

2020-10-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Yeah, I thought that part was pretty funny.

I had to look up what “ligroin” was. Apparently a light solvent like naptha.

-D

> On Oct 11, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> She’s a witch!
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 4:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Give Bertha some credit - she drove this thing over 100km on unpaved roads.
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/vsGrFYD5Nfs <https://youtu.be/vsGrFYD5Nfs> 
>> <https://youtu.be/vsGrFYD5Nfs <https://youtu.be/vsGrFYD5Nfs>>
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1886-benz-patent-motorwagen-replica/
>>> 
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Good to know. I couldn’t figure out how this would be the case. I’ll have to go 
back and look at pictures for the steering wheel - I could have been confusing 
it with the 2001 I looked at today.

I really like the electric fan. Makes so much more room in the engine 
compartment.

-D

> On Oct 10, 2020, at 8:14 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The 99 in the link below is not a facelift car. The electric engine fan 
> started 99 pre facelift. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would add that the 99 model was facelift car, so it’s got the newer stuff 
>> in the cabin and things like electric cooling fan instead of the engine 
>> driven one.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nope. Most dealers won’t let an owner see the VMI, short of maybe letting 
>>> them look at it on the computer screen. I have a source for them that 
>>> emails them to me. I just haven’t had a chance to get them the information. 
>>> I might still get it today, if not, Monday for sure.
>>> 
>>> We’ll see. I’m still sort of “meh” on this one, but the pickings are really 
>>> slim around here for just about anything decent and used, or so it seems. I 
>>> hate to act fro desperation as I’m not under any pressure, but I also don’t 
>>> want to buy something and not have time to thoroughly vet it before I drive 
>>> it across country.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel >>>> <mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Can just the owner order a VMI?
>>>> 
>>>> $2800 is close enough to asking price so you will probably succeed.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 4:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>>>> <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>> wrote:
>>>> Went looking at a couple of W210s sedans with 4Matic, not something that’s 
>>>> common around here.
>>>> 
>>>> First one:
>>>> 
>>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
>>>>  
>>>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html>
>>>>  
>>>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
>>>>  
>>>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html>>
>>>>  
>>>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
>>>>  
>>>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html><https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
>>>>  
>>>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Pretty solid, mostly Florida car, guy is clearly a flipper and I called 
>>>> him out on it (nicely.) I don’t care, flipping is fine with me as long as 
>>>> the price is reasonable for the car. Exterior is good, interior probably 
>>>> an 8 out of 10. When he got the car it needed a conductor plate and 
>>>> connector body as well as front axles, which he’s done himself. Car drives 
>>>> well, everything works from what I can tell. I haven’t seen the VMI on it 
>>>> yet, hoping to get one before the end of the day. Don’t know what his 
>>>> position is on price. Looks like it’s got three accidents reported against 
>>>> it, none major (“no damage reported”) except one in 10/2018 which appears 
>>>> to have been repaired at the dealer in Sarasota.
>>>> 
>>>> I might go for this one if I could get it for maybe $2800.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Number two:
>>>> 
>>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html
>>>>  
>>>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html>
>>>>  
>>>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html
>>>>  
&

Re: [MBZ] The Search Continues...

This is a 99 model year, but it’s definitely a facelift model as it has all the 
stuff. I don’t know when the change took place exactly.

Delivery date was 10-5-98, “approximate” build date was October as well 
according to the data card.

Steering wheel control buttons, door mirror turn signal indicators, etc., etc.

I was surprised as well when I opened the hood, as a giveaway is the change to 
an electric cooling fan.

-D

> On Oct 10, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-10-10 19:06, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I would add that the 99 model was facelift car, so it’s got the newer
>> stuff in the cabin and things like electric cooling fan instead of the
>> engine driven one.
> 
> I thought the main facelifts were
> 
> 1998: optional 4matic, optional ESP.
> 
> 2000: lower ride height, different plastic body parts, door mirror turn 
> signals, steering wheel control buttons...
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I would add that the 99 model was facelift car, so it’s got the newer stuff in 
the cabin and things like electric cooling fan instead of the engine driven one.

-D

> On Oct 10, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Nope. Most dealers won’t let an owner see the VMI, short of maybe letting 
> them look at it on the computer screen. I have a source for them that emails 
> them to me. I just haven’t had a chance to get them the information. I might 
> still get it today, if not, Monday for sure.
> 
> We’ll see. I’m still sort of “meh” on this one, but the pickings are really 
> slim around here for just about anything decent and used, or so it seems. I 
> hate to act fro desperation as I’m not under any pressure, but I also don’t 
> want to buy something and not have time to thoroughly vet it before I drive 
> it across country.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel > <mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Can just the owner order a VMI?
>> 
>> $2800 is close enough to asking price so you will probably succeed.
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 4:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>> wrote:
>> Went looking at a couple of W210s sedans with 4Matic, not something that’s 
>> common around here.
>> 
>> First one:
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
>>  
>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html>
>>  
>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
>>  
>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html>>
>>  
>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
>>  
>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html><https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
>>  
>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html>>>
>> 
>> Pretty solid, mostly Florida car, guy is clearly a flipper and I called him 
>> out on it (nicely.) I don’t care, flipping is fine with me as long as the 
>> price is reasonable for the car. Exterior is good, interior probably an 8 
>> out of 10. When he got the car it needed a conductor plate and connector 
>> body as well as front axles, which he’s done himself. Car drives well, 
>> everything works from what I can tell. I haven’t seen the VMI on it yet, 
>> hoping to get one before the end of the day. Don’t know what his position is 
>> on price. Looks like it’s got three accidents reported against it, none 
>> major (“no damage reported”) except one in 10/2018 which appears to have 
>> been repaired at the dealer in Sarasota.
>> 
>> I might go for this one if I could get it for maybe $2800.
>> 
>> 
>> Number two:
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html
>>  
>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html>
>>  
>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html
>>  
>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html>>
>>  
>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html
>>  
>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html>
>>  
>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html
>>  
>> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html>>>
>> 
>> Looks nice, doesn’t it? This is a classic example of pictures not telling 
>> the whole story. I was pretty stoked about this one, as it looked nice. As 
>> soon as I saw the VMI I knew it would be a bust, but I figured I would look 
>> just in case - you never know unless you look, right?
>> 
>> Delivered in NY, went to Chicago, was up North until 2017. Interestingly, 
>> the miles put on the car while it was in Chicago were really low, like less 
>> than 3,000/year. This was encouraging, as I was hoping that maybe it was a 
>> summer car for a snowbird.

Re: [MBZ] The Search Continues...

Yeah, I know, but I’m not looking for a project, I’m looking for something with 
lower miles that needs a good Martha’ing and some basic maintenance and be 
ready to make a 1200 mile trip without incident. I don’t need to shuttle a car 
until the end of November, but if I get something now I can use it as a DD and 
be comfortable that it’s in good running condition and won’t need additional 
work to make it bulletproof.

There are some potential project cars on the current market, but between the 
crappy weather (heat) here and the limited amount of time I have to wrench 
right now they just don’t make good sense. I’ll pay my money up front in this 
case and get something I’m confident is solid.

-D

> On Oct 10, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> They first one looks decent, would likely be reasonable at $2800 though it 
> would pain me to pay that much!
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Went looking at a couple of W210s sedans with 4Matic,
> 
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Nope. Most dealers won’t let an owner see the VMI, short of maybe letting them 
look at it on the computer screen. I have a source for them that emails them to 
me. I just haven’t had a chance to get them the information. I might still get 
it today, if not, Monday for sure.

We’ll see. I’m still sort of “meh” on this one, but the pickings are really 
slim around here for just about anything decent and used, or so it seems. I 
hate to act fro desperation as I’m not under any pressure, but I also don’t 
want to buy something and not have time to thoroughly vet it before I drive it 
across country.

-D

> On Oct 10, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Can just the owner order a VMI?
> 
> $2800 is close enough to asking price so you will probably succeed.
> 
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 4:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Went looking at a couple of W210s sedans with 4Matic, not something that’s 
> common around here.
> 
> First one:
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
>  
> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html>
>  
> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
>  
> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html>>
> 
> Pretty solid, mostly Florida car, guy is clearly a flipper and I called him 
> out on it (nicely.) I don’t care, flipping is fine with me as long as the 
> price is reasonable for the car. Exterior is good, interior probably an 8 out 
> of 10. When he got the car it needed a conductor plate and connector body as 
> well as front axles, which he’s done himself. Car drives well, everything 
> works from what I can tell. I haven’t seen the VMI on it yet, hoping to get 
> one before the end of the day. Don’t know what his position is on price. 
> Looks like it’s got three accidents reported against it, none major (“no 
> damage reported”) except one in 10/2018 which appears to have been repaired 
> at the dealer in Sarasota.
> 
> I might go for this one if I could get it for maybe $2800.
> 
> 
> Number two:
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html
>  
> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html>
>  
> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html
>  
> <https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html>>
> 
> Looks nice, doesn’t it? This is a classic example of pictures not telling the 
> whole story. I was pretty stoked about this one, as it looked nice. As soon 
> as I saw the VMI I knew it would be a bust, but I figured I would look just 
> in case - you never know unless you look, right?
> 
> Delivered in NY, went to Chicago, was up North until 2017. Interestingly, the 
> miles put on the car while it was in Chicago were really low, like less than 
> 3,000/year. This was encouraging, as I was hoping that maybe it was a summer 
> car for a snowbird. No such luck.
> 
> While it presented well in pictures, I could look into the corners of the 
> front of the engine compartment and see rust. Perforations in undercarriage 
> metal from rust. Surprisingly, the first place I looked was door bottoms, and 
> they were surprisingly clean. But underneath the car was a whole ‘nother 
> story. On top of the front fenders the paint was flaking off, too, something 
> you can’t see in the pictures.
> 
> I gave the car a cursory once-over to be polite and respectful about the 
> guy’s time, but immediately crossed it off the list. And also - it had a CEL 
> and BAS/ABS lights, which of course the seller failed to mention. “My 
> mechanic said it’s something that’s got to do with the wheel sensors”, he 
> said. Yeah, I’ll bet every one of them is rusty.
> 
> Pass.
> 
> I’m giving some serious thought on the first one until I can see the VMI. If 
> it was pranged and the dealer fixed it, I’m fine with that. I didn’t see any 
> indication of body repairs, so whoever did the work did it well. And I would 
> add that the seller disclosed the accident reports when he showed me the car, 
> as he had a CarFax for it that I didn’t look at.
> 
> Hmm.
> 
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[MBZ] The Search Continues...

Went looking at a couple of W210s sedans with 4Matic, not something that’s
common around here.

First one:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html

Pretty solid, mostly Florida car, guy is clearly a flipper and I called him out
on it (nicely.) I don’t care, flipping is fine with me as long as the price is
reasonable for the car. Exterior is good, interior probably an 8 out of 10.
When he got the car it needed a conductor plate and connector body as well as
front axles, which he’s done himself. Car drives well, everything works from
what I can tell. I haven’t seen the VMI on it yet, hoping to get one before the
end of the day. Don’t know what his position is on price. Looks like it’s got
three accidents reported against it, none major (“no damage reported”) except
one in 10/2018 which appears to have been repaired at the dealer in Sarasota.

I might go for this one if I could get it for maybe $2800.

Number two:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/dunedin-2001-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7211065337.html

Looks nice, doesn’t it? This is a classic example of pictures not telling the
whole story. I was pretty stoked about this one, as it looked nice. As soon as
I saw the VMI I knew it would be a bust, but I figured I would look just in
case - you never know unless you look, right?

Delivered in NY, went to Chicago, was up North until 2017. Interestingly, the
miles put on the car while it was in Chicago were really low, like less than
3,000/year. This was encouraging, as I was hoping that maybe it was a summer
car for a snowbird. No such luck.

While it presented well in pictures, I could look into the corners of the front
of the engine compartment and see rust. Perforations in undercarriage metal
from rust. Surprisingly, the first place I looked was door bottoms, and they
were surprisingly clean. But underneath the car was a whole ‘nother story. On
top of the front fenders the paint was flaking off, too, something you can’t
see in the pictures.

I gave the car a cursory once-over to be polite and respectful about the guy’s
time, but immediately crossed it off the list. And also - it had a CEL and
BAS/ABS lights, which of course the seller failed to mention. “My mechanic said
it’s something that’s got to do with the wheel sensors”, he said. Yeah, I’ll
bet every one of them is rusty.

Pass.

I’m giving some serious thought on the first one until I can see the VMI. If it
was pranged and the dealer fixed it, I’m fine with that. I didn’t see any
indication of body repairs, so whoever did the work did it well. And I would
add that the seller disclosed the accident reports when he showed me the car,
as he had a CarFax for it that I didn’t look at.

Hmm.

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Re: [MBZ] Motorwagen

Give Bertha some credit - she drove this thing over 100km on unpaved roads.

https://youtu.be/vsGrFYD5Nfs 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Emergency power has been deployed

Two kinds of governors on these:

Mechanical, or “droop” governor. Runs on flyweights. No load frequency should 
be set at or around 62-63 Hz so when under full load the generator set is at or 
near 60 Hz.

Isochronous or electronic governor. Uses a speed pickup on the flywheel, much 
like our crankshaft position sensors. Maintains generator frequency (speed) at 
60 Hz under all conditions.

Mechanical governors are more common on less expensive sets, as they’re 
relatively cheap. Electronic governors are much more expensive and typically 
found on more expensive units.

-D

> On Oct 9, 2020, at 5:52 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I hear you.  
> 
> Power outages at our NC house were  common in the past, but rare recently.  I 
> think we had less than 10 hours of actual power outage over 15 years since we 
> installed a generator.  I'm still glad we have it, especially if (when?) one 
> of us needs powered home medical equipment in the future.
> 
> We moved to NC in 2005. Our previous house in the FL panhandle had days-long 
> power outages every year.  We are getting older and wanted reliable power at 
> the new house.   The "new" NC house was built in 1854 so the major 2005-2006 
> remodel included a complete rewire/replumb plus a 15KW Generac  automatic 
> standby generator and a 500 gal underground LP tank.   
> 
> In retrospect:
> I think LP was a good choice for fuel ; it also feeds  the stove and 
> fireplaces. The generator gets an annual oil change (usually) with same 
> Mobile 1 5W30 I use in gas engines.  The generator case is steel and it's 
> starting to rust, ugly but not a problem.  This is an older model with a 
> mechanical governor that is load sensitive.  It runs just above 60HZ at light 
> load; cheap UPS systems don't like that and switch to battery, which doesn't 
> last long.  I bought two APC Smart UPS systems (from ExcessUPS.com) which run 
> fine even of the frequency is a slightly high.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From:  Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM
> 
> 
> That’s like the irony of installing a whole house generator system and have 
> no outages since it’s been deployed. Not that I want a hurricane, but...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Emergency power has been deployed

Good question. A lot depends on the prime mover being used and type of fuel. 
With propane you get very little oil dilution, which is good, but you’ll still 
have breakdown over a relatively short time due to the internal forces, I would 
think.

The business uses a “once a year or 100 hours” approach for most units, as I 
recall. Understand that no one uses synthetics or expensive oil in these 
things, either. It’s usually pretty generic stuff for the most part. When I was 
in the business we pretty much used Rotella 15W-40 across the board in 
everything unless something specific was specified by the manufacturer.

-D

> On Oct 9, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> What is the oil life like on a 3600rpm genset under constant usage?
> I'd think around 100-200 hours instead of 25-50 hours, but even that would be 
> once or twice a week in constant duty. I do my mom's LP Generac once a year 
> or after every 24+ hour outage.
> This year, I serviced it a month after a two day outage, and it had a four 
> hour outage less than a week after that.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Emergency power has been deployed

Believe me, I am.

I’ve been following a story on a generator forum I belong to as a SME (subject 
matter expert) about a guy in Lake Charles who has been keeping his generator 
running while they’ve been without power. He was finally able to take it 
offline a week or two ago to perform much needed maintenance on it, as it had 
been running continuously since their last hurricane.

-D

> On Oct 9, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Just be glad you're not in Lake Charles, Louisiana.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 11:30 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> That’s like the irony of installing a whole house generator system and have 
> no outages since it’s been deployed. Not that I want a hurricane, but...
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Oct 9, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > There is no more smug feeling than when you're enjoying the comforts
> > of civilization while your less-prepared brethren are not.  ESPECIALLY
> > if they ridiculed you while you were working on setting it up.
> > 
> > The only trouble is when you make it TOO automatic, and you don't get
> > the credit you deserve from those who share your house.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Emergency power has been deployed

That’s like the irony of installing a whole house generator system and have no 
outages since it’s been deployed. Not that I want a hurricane, but...

-D

> On Oct 9, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> There is no more smug feeling than when you're enjoying the comforts
> of civilization while your less-prepared brethren are not.  ESPECIALLY
> if they ridiculed you while you were working on setting it up.
> 
> The only trouble is when you make it TOO automatic, and you don't get
> the credit you deserve from those who share your house.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I was nearly killed today

2020-10-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Is that like Jaimie Lee Curtis’ “bifidus regularus”?

-D

> On Oct 8, 2020, at 6:51 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You can take some laxatives to help avert that
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 8, 2020, at 10:50 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> When I strained my rectus muscle
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[MBZ] Today's Dealer Fun


So I swing by my dealer to pick up some parts I had ordered today. During idle 
chatter with the counter person, I made a remark about how they're ahead of the 
game because they had the display of “Scent Bombs” that’s always on the counter 
filled up. For whatever reason, my dealer has all sorts of car “scents”, like 
spray bottles, the good old pine tree hanger for the rear view mirror, etc., 
etc. They told me they can’t keep the stuff in stock. I joke about how badly 
the cars they sell must smell if car scents are a major sale item at the parts 
counter.

But wait - it gets better!

So counter person pulls me aside and whispers about how new models have built 
in “air fresheners” that have a little glass jar that holds the smelly stuff. 
The best part? The little glass jars of scent cost $120 They said that 
people blow out worse than when they find out a replacement key fob is $300 
over the $120 scent jars.

Makes me appreciate my “vintage” cars more every day.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] W210 4Matic Wanted

Okie Acres East!

-D

> On Oct 7, 2020, at 4:32 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 07/10/2020 3:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>  Funny you should mention that, next week we're meeting with the guy who 
>> owns the farm next to mine, he wants to sell out and I'm looking to buy.
>> Our access road is deeded access across that farm so a prospective buyer 
>> can't lock us out but could potentially make it a hassle. The farm on the 
>> other side of ours sold and the new owner apparently has people arrested for 
>> trespassing when they go fishing on the river his land abuts. People have 
>> fished that spot for generations...So anyway I don't want a jerk like that 
>> buying the land I access my land from, figure the easiest way is to just buy 
>> it. The guy apparently wants $95k. 60 acres, comes with a falling down house 
>> and a big barn that is, I think, less than 10 years old. We're thinking to 
>> section off the house and maybe 3 acres and sell that off, keep the land. 
>> We've got, I think 72 acres in the abutting lot. The other nice thing is 
>> some of the new land is rented out for farming, maybe we can encourage that 
>> renter to take on some of our existing land also which would save me from 
>> having to mow the grass...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>
> 
> You obviously need to keep the big barn to store more cars and equipment. 
> Patch up the old house and rent it out cheap to someone who will function as 
> an unpaid caretaker to  watch over things when you are not there.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W210 4Matic Wanted

That works, too.

Older siblings are retired or retiring. Wife’s brother is retiring in a few 
years. Everyone lives in or near the south side of Indy except Mom in law, who 
lives down here. Wife’s extensive extended family is all up there. We went up 
to Indy a few weeks ago for my niece’s wedding in Brown County and realized 
that the bulk of our family is there and we rarely see them, so it made sense 
to buy a house up there for a second home.

Ideally, we could both work remotely up there in the summer and winter in 
Florida, but that’s yet to be determined. Either way, it’s something that made 
sense and will allow us to spend more time with family. Homes are cheap up 
there and interest rates are in the tank, so it’s a good time to increase one’s 
real estate holdings for sure.

-D

> On Oct 7, 2020, at 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 07/10/2020 2:19 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Thanks. Looking forward to being able to spend more time with family.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
> I recommend having them visit you in Florida in winter rather than you going 
> north.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W210 4Matic Wanted

Thanks. Looking forward to being able to spend more time with family.

-D

> On Oct 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> The Escape is doing just fine. Bought a second >home in Indianapolis near 
>> family and want to find >a car to put there.
> 
> 
> CONGRATULATIONS
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 headlights?

Yeah, the Czech or Latvian or whatever they are Cars245 guys can get lots of 
good stuff. They got me a set of Magnetti-Marelli Euro headlights for my R129 
when you couldn’t find Euro lights  for an R129 anywhere else. Always order 
from their web site rather then auction on eBay they do as things are cheaper 
on their web site.

Lamin-X is the film to put on those Euro lenses and others. Best stuff there is.

-D

> On Oct 7, 2020, at 2:52 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah. Those guys found a new OE US spec reverse light housing for me. Just
> try to find one any other way. Took about two months but if you can order
> it, they can usually get it. I think they can also get the rear sls struts
> for a w123, which are also unobtanium here, so everyone should just order a
> set from them now, as they have been discontinued by sachs. I keep hoping
> someone will find a nivomat that will fit
> 
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 1:34 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> No, if Cars245 can get it, it will be glass, original Bosch, fit perfectly
>> and look great.
>> 
>> I don't see any 123 euro headlights listed on their website, so you may
>> need to reach out directly to see if they can get them.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:16 PM MG via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh yeah I bet it will! Just what I want on my car
>>> plastic craptastic junk.
>>> 
>>> MG
>>> 
>>> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
 Just put the new ones on from cars245 and get some of that Amazon film
>> to
 put on them. It completely changes the look of the car.
 
 On Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 4:14 AM MG via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
 
> Thanks Max, I'll look at them. What you said about the
> differences is exactly what I was dreading. I can see a
> bit of something like less fluting in the Hellas. They
> look almost clearer then the Bosch.
> 
> Dan, I've been looking on Ebay and found several
> different lights including a set of Bosch that say
> slightly pitted. The seller will be sending me some
> better pictures when he gets back home on Wed. Want to
> see how good the reflectors are. They are the important
> thing 'cause like you say I can get new lenses and be
> good to go.
> 
> MG
> 
> Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> Forgot the link:
>> 
>> https://cars245.com/en/
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 11:19 AM Meade Dillon 
> wrote:
>>> When I bought The White Whale (124.193) it had mismatched euro
> headlights,
>>> and it was obvious they were different.  Drove me kinda nuts, and
>> when
>>> Rusty had a sale on Bosch Euro for about $300 or so I think, I
>> jumped
>>> on
>>> that.
>>> 
>>> If your insurance won't play, then you could check with the Cars245
>>> guys
>>> to see about a new set of lenses or maybe just one new that matches
>>> what
>>> the insco pays for, although the shipping is about as much as the
> lenses.
>>> I just put new Bosch lenses on The White Whale.  Well worth it, they
> look
>>> great.
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 10:36 AM MG via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 That is what I am hoping since the left one on my 300TD
 got crunched so needs to be replaced. I was just
 wondering if I could get the insurance to go for
 replacing both with the same brand because of slight
 differences in looks. I know over time that will drive
 me batty till I replace the other one so they look the
 same.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Pinto runabout

At least it’s got the crash shield ahead of the gas tank so it’s not a rolling 
inferno.

-D

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> wants to branch out into a new field of acquisition.
> 
> I've never seen a gaudier red interior.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W210 4Matic Wanted

The first one is just about ready for a balance shaft to blow out.

> On Oct 7, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> This one is still posted. 211, but it is a 4MATIC.
> 
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/indianapolis-2007-mercedes-benz-e350/7204527341.html

Plenty like it down here, too. I really want a 4Matic for up there for when 
there’s snow on the ground.

Thanks!

-D


> 
> This one is also still posted, but not a 4MATIC
> 
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/west-newton-mercedes-benz-e320/7195269430.html
> 
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> The Escape is doing just fine. Bought a second home in Indianapolis near 
>> family and want to find a car to put there.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2020, at 8:12 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That lets out K'leb.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 6:59 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Looking for a W210 4Matic sedan or wagon, ideally 2nd generation/facelift
>>>> model, in good condition with decent (not high) miles, like under 150k with
>>>> good provenance.
>>>> 
>>>> No fixer uppers, please, this needs to be as near a turnkey car as
>>>> possible.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W210 4Matic Wanted

The Escape is doing just fine. Bought a second home in Indianapolis near family 
and want to find a car to put there.

-D

> On Oct 7, 2020, at 8:12 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That lets out K'leb.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 6:59 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Looking for a W210 4Matic sedan or wagon, ideally 2nd generation/facelift
>> model, in good condition with decent (not high) miles, like under 150k with
>> good provenance.
>> 
>> No fixer uppers, please, this needs to be as near a turnkey car as
>> possible.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
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[MBZ] W210 4Matic Wanted

Looking for a W210 4Matic sedan or wagon, ideally 2nd generation/facelift 
model, in good condition with decent (not high) miles, like under 150k with 
good provenance.

No fixer uppers, please, this needs to be as near a turnkey car as possible.

Thanks!

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Re: [MBZ] Worth saving?

Another donor for Okie Acres and the back 40.

-D

> On Oct 6, 2020, at 8:44 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This wagon has returned home. Sold it to a guy, he sold it to another guy. 
> It’s a 4matic. Guy says the front drive shaft fell out. I have not got under 
> it to see what the damage is. He ran into a mailbox and tore up the hood and 
> bumper. Car has a rebuilt title but runs good. Has about 225k miles. Needs a 
> drivers front seat. I have another identical wagon with 130k miles but also 
> needs a hood, bumper, and left rear door. Not sure if this wagon is worth 
> saving or if I should pull the wagon LR door off to put on the other car. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] hallucinogenics may be involved

At least the lights, horn and radio work.

-D

> On Oct 6, 2020, at 2:22 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
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> 
> 
> https://peoria.craigslist.org/cto/d/peoria-1969-mercedes/7199446286.html
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Re: [MBZ] Nice car, interesting car jibberish

The sovereign citizen stuff gets caught in our data loss prevention system, so 
I’ll see it when it hits the fence. It’s amazing to read and doesn’t seem to be 
totally crazy until you read and parse the whole thing. My Mom got caught up in 
this garbage years ago and was convinced that she wouldn’t have to pay taxes if 
she claimed to be a sovereign citizen. It was silly to think, as  she was 
retired and probably paid little to nothing in taxes to begin with.

Fortunately, my brother, a commercial banker who also took care of her 
financials, convinced her it would be a very bad idea for her to pursue this. 
She backed off.

-D

> On Oct 6, 2020, at 9:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was at a trade show of some sort once, this well-dressed, well-spoken guy 
> comes up to me and engages in a conversation, seemed pretty smart and 
> interested in whatever I was flogging at the time.  After a few minutes he 
> says he needs to go look at other stuff but could I take a look at this stack 
> of papers he pulls from his satchel then get back to him on how to proceed.  
> I say sure, he hands me the papers and walks off.
> 
> I had a slow time so I started reading this stuff.  It was several pages of 
> well-written nonsense, single-spaced, no paragraph breaks, something about 
> atomic energy if I recall. Stuff like this.  Guy stops by a bit later and 
> wants to engage on my thoughts on his report, was very persistent.  I guess I 
> was the only person to talk with him.  He got annoying so finally I had to 
> tell him I couldn't talk anymore, he got pretty agitated but finally left.  
> It was weird, I guess he was total schizo.  Kinda said too as the guy was 
> clearly pretty smart but just batsh*t crazy.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 10/6/20 9:50 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> This reminds me of the crazy long letters the nutcases who claim sovereign 
>> citizenship send in to our clerk’s office to be recorded.
>> 
>> https://people.howstuffworks.com/sovereign-citizen-movement.htm
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2020, at 9:46 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Read the stuff below in the description
>>> 
>>> https://greensboro.craigslist.org/ctd/d/roswell-2019-mercedes-benz-class-560/7208960041.html
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Nice car, interesting car jibberish

This reminds me of the crazy long letters the nutcases who claim sovereign 
citizenship send in to our clerk’s office to be recorded.

https://people.howstuffworks.com/sovereign-citizen-movement.htm

-D

> On Oct 6, 2020, at 9:46 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> Read the stuff below in the description
> 
> https://greensboro.craigslist.org/ctd/d/roswell-2019-mercedes-benz-class-560/7208960041.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Clear drug abuse issues

Wow. I’ll say.

-D

> On Oct 5, 2020, at 8:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/360581355144677/
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 Diesel Mercedes 350SD - $6,000 (BRUNSWICK)

$6k is about the price for a decent one that doesn’t have a branded title.

-D

> On Oct 5, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> No pics
> 
> https://brunswick.craigslist.org/cto/d/brunswick-1991-diesel-mercedes-350sd/7208685404.html
> 
> I am the second owner of this car and have loved / taken good care of this 
> car. Unfortunately years ago, I was in an accident (was ran off the highway) 
> and the car was deemed a total loss. I loved the car so much, I bought it 
> back from the insurance company and I fully restored the vehicle mechanically 
> as well as the bodywork. It is titled as salvage rebuilt due to it being 
> fully restored. Replaced the engine with a new/used engine with a little over 
> 100K miles on it. Runs smoothly, is a beautiful car and drives like a dream. 
> I no longer need the vehicle as I am recently married and starting a family 
> and no longer need an additional vehicle as I am trying to simplify. Would 
> love to sell to the right buyer. Carfax available upon request.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1986 300SDL - $1, 500 needs to be sold or it goes to the crusher

Good point, hadn’t thought of that…

-D

> On Oct 5, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> If you don't give me $1500 for it, I'll haul it to the crusher for $150.
> 
> Adds like that are just begging for "I'll give you 20% over scrap and you 
> don't have to drag it to the recyclers".
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Re: [MBZ] Hey I’m Vince and I’m selling my 2003 Mercedes Benz s430

Take the gas cap off, pry the seal out of the groove, flip it over, and put it 
back in.

I haven’t driven the wagon enough to determine if my P0400 CEL was resolved by 
the discovery of a cracked vacuum line yet. I need to drive it some to see how 
my new HID headlights are working, too…

-D

> On Oct 5, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-10-05 15:55, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> In my experience this is almost always something emissions
>> related. Oxygen sensor, etc. Could also be any other abnormal sensor
>> reading such as fuel pressure.
> 
> My 2003 ML put up a CEL yesterday.
> Scanned it today, and it was P0442, slight leak in evap system.
> I interpret that as either 'my gas cap is 17 years old', or 'I'm tired of 
> being parked all the time'. Cleared the code and filled the tank, will see 
> what happens next.
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Re: [MBZ] 1986 300SDL - $1, 500 needs to be sold or it goes to the crusher

They need to drop the “1”.

-D

> On Oct 5, 2020, at 4:06 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> For sale or Best Offer 1985 Mercedes Benz 300 SDL. 2 owner 4 dr. Rust
> free, exterior in very good condition. Excellent dash, door panels, and
> headliner. Engine needs some work to get running. Options are pwr wind.,
> a/c, sun roof, bucket seats w/ console, pwr driver & pass seats. This
> needs to be sold or it goes to the crusher. It needs to go. Last chance
> to buy an excellent project car or donor to finish a project. Clean
> Title in hand. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Getting a Cummins

Is it because of the commercials with the banners the cars drove through?

https://youtu.be/7p90_8JJQUI

-D

> On Oct 5, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I use Chevon Delo in my OM617s.
> 
> I have a 30 year old grudge against Shell so I avoid their products.
> 
> Allan
> 
> G Mann via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Besides the Mercedes fleet I also own and operate 5 Ford F350 with the 7.3
>> diesel engine and one F 450, also 7.3 engine.
>> Rotella oil in those engines leaks and blows out... fresh oil change and
>> 1,500 miles I lose a quart.. all the engines are in good shape, wear and
>> maintenance wise..
>> When I removed the Rotella oil and shifted to Castrol Diesel oil... each
>> engine immediately did not lose oil, or leak oil. Since then, I've tried
>> other diesel oils [all 15 / 40 wt] with no oil loss... as soon as I do a
>> shift back to Rotella... oil loss...
>> 
>> So.. Rotella is on my "don't like list".. for the trucks, and everything
>> else in the diesel fleet.
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 5:40 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Why are you not a fan of Rotella? What oil do you like?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 4, 2020, at 10:44 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
 
 Change the fuel filter now... and travel with a spare..
 
 Oil "should make the trip" with the miles it has since last change...
 However.. it's been driven only short trips and been setting a lot, which
 is perfect to absorb moisture I would change oil and filter before
 taking the road.
 I'm not a fan of Rotella... you get to pick what you put in it.  Diesel
 synthetic has won me over... 15-40 wt...
 
 I'm a Ford Powerstroke guy and I have friends who drive Cummins Dodges...
 have a look at:
 www.Oilburners.net
 Discussion board that has a very active group for Cummins and good folks
 [has another one for Fords, where I visit]
 
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 7:26 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
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> 
> My pops and I swapped trucks. He wanted my 2016 Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi 80k
> miles,  I get his2005 Dodge 2500 SLT Cummins 5.7 4x4  112k miles, and a
>>> $4k
> check. Drove here to Illinois to make the swap. He was trying to guilt
>>> me
> into it saying I’d feel bad if my 85 year old father somehow fell and
>>> broke
> a hip while climbing into a 2500 4x4 while knowing he wanted my truck.
> He bought it new when he still lived in AZ. Up until last year he towed
> around a backhoe he had that he used to dig holes to set septic tanks.
> Right around Thanksgiving last year he sold the backhoe, finally ready
>>> to
> really retire at 85. Since then, he has barley driven it except for the
> occasional trip to Menards.
> Three questions. I know nothing yet about Cummins 5.7 engines yet. The
>>> oil
> (Rotella non-synthetic) is a year old, a little less than 1000 miles on
>>> it.
> Should I change the oil before I head back or change it after the 1850
>>> mile
> trip back...or both? Also, should i change  or anticipate having to
>>> change
> the fuel filter on the way back?  What else should i be concerned about
> before we take off?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: German Cars For Sale Blog

A little, but not bad. These are fairly rare any more, and this one appears to 
be in very nice condition and with low (>100k) miles.

Show up with $5k cash and see what they do. It’s worth that.

-D

> On Oct 5, 2020, at 12:05 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> $6k?  Seems steep
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 10/5/20 11:48 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> AZ Bob needs to run down and make a deal on this ASAP:
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: German Cars For Sale Blog 
>>> Subject: German Cars For Sale Blog
>>> Date: October 5, 2020 at 11:46:07 AM EDT
>>> To: d...@penoff.com
>>> Reply-To: German Cars For Sale Blog 
>>> 
>>> German Cars For Sale Blog <https://germancarsforsaleblog.com/>  
>>> 2000 Mercedes-Benz E430 
>>> <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/GermanCarsForSaleBlog/~3/tCzLi9_j4t8/?utm_source=feedburner_medium=email>
>>> Posted: 05 Oct 2020 07:00 AM PDT
>>>  <https://bit.ly/33qkREz>
>>> I think the days of V8s in mid-size sedans are numbered. With emissions 
>>> regulations and fuel economy standards becoming more stringent as the years 
>>> go on, you’ll be seeing smaller and smaller displacement engines along with 
>>> hybrid systems becoming the norm in almost every car except the ultra-high 
>>> performance models. Look right now, the current Mercedes-Benz E-Class 
>>> lineup lacks a V8 until you get to the top of the range E63 AMG, which 
>>> starts at $110,000. Even ten years ago, you could get your E500 with a 5.0 
>>> V8 and call it a day. Not anymore, two 2.0L inline-fours and an 3.0L 
>>> inline-six are what awaits your down payment. Buyers don’t really care, as 
>>> long as the car looks good and the lease numbers and performance are good, 
>>> sign ’em up.
>>> 
>>> So rewind 20 years and head back to the new Millennium where the E-Class 
>>> lineup was simple. There was the 3.2L V6 E320, 4.3L V8 E430, and 5.4L V8 
>>> E55 AMG. Done. The buyers for E320s and E55s were very different people, as 
>>> the E320 was $47,000, while the E55 was a significant amount more at 
>>> $72,000. Turns out its not cheap to pay a bunch of Germans in a small town 
>>> to hand-assemble a car. So what about the E430? $53,000. Suddenly that 
>>> extra six grand seems like a worthwhile upgrade over the E320. You had more 
>>> than respectable numbers at the time with 275 horsepower and 295 lb.-ft of 
>>> torque. Still, every time you saw an E55, which lets be honest probably 
>>> never because of the extremely low production numbers, you wanted those 18″ 
>>> Monoblocks and special body kit. Now that is 20 years later, does it still 
>>> make sense to buy an E430? I think so, especially this one.
>>> 
>>> CLICK FOR DETAILS: 2000 Mercedes-Benz E430 on eBay <https://bit.ly/33qkREz>
>>> 
>>>  <https://bit.ly/33qkREz>
>>> Year: 2000
>>> Model: E430
>>> VIN: WDBJF70J8YA968307
>>> Engine: 4.3 liter V8
>>> Transmission: 5-speed automatic
>>> Mileage: 103,843 mi
>>> Location: Mesa, Arizona
>>> Price: $5,995 Buy It Now
>>> 
>>>  <https://bit.ly/33qkREz>
>>> Just arrived! This 1 owner California car with clean carfax and extensive 
>>> history of dealer service. Super clean cosmetics and nice running example 
>>> of classic Mercedes build quality. AZ Euros has inspected, serviced and 
>>> replaced motor mount, ac compressor and full synthetic oil change and the 
>>> E430 is ready to hit the road.
>>> 
>>> Power memory seats, Elegance package, sunroof and two keys.
>>> 
>>>  <https://bit.ly/33qkREz>
>>> For 100,000 miles, this is a super clean example. Usually almost any W210 
>>> by now has had a hard life and is maybe on its last legs, but thankfully 
>>> not this one. The seats looks great, and even the engine bay is spotless. 
>>> Not a leaking valve cover gasket to be found. Kind of funny that this car 
>>> wasn’t optioned with heated seats, but I guess you had to pay to play back 
>>> then. The only real flaw I see is the the missing badge on top of the shift 
>>> knob, but that fixable with a dab of glue.
>>> 
>>> For $6,000, this is a good buy all day. You have slightly lower running 
>>> costs than the big brother E55, while still having that torquey M119 V8. I 
>>> think the thing here is that you have to be satisfied with it just being an 
>>> E430 a

[MBZ] Fwd: German Cars For Sale Blog

AZ Bob needs to run down and make a deal on this ASAP:

-D

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: German Cars For Sale Blog 
> Subject: German Cars For Sale Blog
> Date: October 5, 2020 at 11:46:07 AM EDT
> To: d...@penoff.com
> Reply-To: German Cars For Sale Blog 
> 
> German Cars For Sale Blog 
> 2000 Mercedes-Benz E430 
> 
> Posted: 05 Oct 2020 07:00 AM PDT
>  
> I think the days of V8s in mid-size sedans are numbered. With emissions 
> regulations and fuel economy standards becoming more stringent as the years 
> go on, you’ll be seeing smaller and smaller displacement engines along with 
> hybrid systems becoming the norm in almost every car except the ultra-high 
> performance models. Look right now, the current Mercedes-Benz E-Class lineup 
> lacks a V8 until you get to the top of the range E63 AMG, which starts at 
> $110,000. Even ten years ago, you could get your E500 with a 5.0 V8 and call 
> it a day. Not anymore, two 2.0L inline-fours and an 3.0L inline-six are what 
> awaits your down payment. Buyers don’t really care, as long as the car looks 
> good and the lease numbers and performance are good, sign ’em up.
> 
> So rewind 20 years and head back to the new Millennium where the E-Class 
> lineup was simple. There was the 3.2L V6 E320, 4.3L V8 E430, and 5.4L V8 E55 
> AMG. Done. The buyers for E320s and E55s were very different people, as the 
> E320 was $47,000, while the E55 was a significant amount more at $72,000. 
> Turns out its not cheap to pay a bunch of Germans in a small town to 
> hand-assemble a car. So what about the E430? $53,000. Suddenly that extra six 
> grand seems like a worthwhile upgrade over the E320. You had more than 
> respectable numbers at the time with 275 horsepower and 295 lb.-ft of torque. 
> Still, every time you saw an E55, which lets be honest probably never because 
> of the extremely low production numbers, you wanted those 18″ Monoblocks and 
> special body kit. Now that is 20 years later, does it still make sense to buy 
> an E430? I think so, especially this one.
> 
> CLICK FOR DETAILS: 2000 Mercedes-Benz E430 on eBay 
> 
>  
> Year: 2000
> Model: E430
> VIN: WDBJF70J8YA968307
> Engine: 4.3 liter V8
> Transmission: 5-speed automatic
> Mileage: 103,843 mi
> Location: Mesa, Arizona
> Price: $5,995 Buy It Now
> 
>  
> Just arrived! This 1 owner California car with clean carfax and extensive 
> history of dealer service. Super clean cosmetics and nice running example of 
> classic Mercedes build quality. AZ Euros has inspected, serviced and replaced 
> motor mount, ac compressor and full synthetic oil change and the E430 is 
> ready to hit the road.
> 
> Power memory seats, Elegance package, sunroof and two keys.
> 
>  
> For 100,000 miles, this is a super clean example. Usually almost any W210 by 
> now has had a hard life and is maybe on its last legs, but thankfully not 
> this one. The seats looks great, and even the engine bay is spotless. Not a 
> leaking valve cover gasket to be found. Kind of funny that this car wasn’t 
> optioned with heated seats, but I guess you had to pay to play back then. The 
> only real flaw I see is the the missing badge on top of the shift knob, but 
> that fixable with a dab of glue.
> 
> For $6,000, this is a good buy all day. You have slightly lower running costs 
> than the big brother E55, while still having that torquey M119 V8. I think 
> the thing here is that you have to be satisfied with it just being an E430 
> and not constantly reminding yourself it isn’t the E55. I know you won’t be 
> touching a similar condition E55 for this price now.
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Re: [MBZ] 280SEL Restoration Project

Agreed. A W108 with the inline six is an excellent compromise between style and 
economy. While it would be nice to have the power of  V8, maintaining the V8s 
is getting to be an expensive and sometimes frustrating endeavor.

-D

> On Oct 5, 2020, at 6:17 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> True, but it’s still a cool ride. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
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>> On Oct 5, 2020, at 6:05 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, but there’s nothing showing the rust on the door bottoms or 
>> elsewhere. Need more information.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 5, 2020, at 6:00 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You know you want that car. And NEED it. I like it. 
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 5, 2020, at 5:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Lousy pictures, but the price is pretty good:
>>>> 
>>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/tampa-1970-one-owner-mercedes-280sel/7208287502.html
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 280SEL Restoration Project

Yeah, but there’s nothing showing the rust on the door bottoms or elsewhere. 
Need more information.

-D

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> You know you want that car. And NEED it. I like it. 
> 
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>> wrote:
>> 
>> Lousy pictures, but the price is pretty good:
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/tampa-1970-one-owner-mercedes-280sel/7208287502.html
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[MBZ] 280SEL Restoration Project

Lousy pictures, but the price is pretty good:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/tampa-1970-one-owner-mercedes-280sel/7208287502.html

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[MBZ] Kleb Car if There Ever Was One

2020-10-04 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

You need to come back down here, Kaleb.

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/tampa-1983-mercedes-300sd-turbo-diesel/7200203657.html

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Re: [MBZ] Today's Fun

Yeah, it’s a bit of a pig on W210s. You have to unbolt the AC compressor to get 
the driver’s side mount out, and the passenger side isn’t much easier. Glad I 
didn’t need to do it.

Put my belly pan on, too Been sitting in the garage for I don’t know how long, 
I keep meaning to put it on but never have a reason to get under there.

-D

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> Boy you are a busy Benz repairer. Glad you didn't need motor mounts.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 10:57 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Just got out from under the car after determining that I don’t need the 
> mounts replaced. I knew the PO did it (OE mounts, too!) but I wasn’t sure how 
> long ago. They’re clearly tall enough that there’s nothing to be gained by 
> replacing them. I did, however, notice that the front sway bar bushings were 
> getting cracked, so I ordered a pair along with a pair of new links. Under 
> $50 for the whole shebang from the dealer, a cheap and easy repair.
> 
> Maybe I’ll tackle the fuel filter now…
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > And yesterday’s, too.
> > 
> > I’ve had a CEL on the 1998 S210 wagon for some time, P0400, which is the 
> > EGR or related stuff. I replaced it for just that issue about 14 months 
> > ago, and the CEL returned maybe 2-3 months ago. With minimal driving and 
> > knowing it wasn’t anything significant, I just let it go.
> > 
> > As the weather has cooled off here relatively speaking, I went out last 
> > night and spent some time poking around. Found the short U-shaped vacuum 
> > line between the manifold connector and pressure transducer at the EGR was 
> > split at one end. This would definitely cause a P0400 error, so I replaced 
> > the cracked hose and reset the computer. It takes two driving cycles for 
> > the computer to decide there’s an issue, so I’ll have to drive it a bit to 
> > see if the CEL returns, but I’m optimistic the problem is solved.
> > 
> > Today I’m going to replace the motor mounts and transmission mounts. The 
> > ones on the car are not original and not in too bod shape, but I have a set 
> > of Lemförder mounts that are taking up space on the shelf so I figure i’ll 
> > put them on. I need to replace the fuel filter, too, so maybe I’ll do that 
> > as well.
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Fun

So I ended up replacing the fuel filter, which was due, along with an air 
filter element, which was also due.

Car is now good for many thousands of miles more. Gotta love these W210s, the 
ultimate “gas and go” cars.

-D

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Just got out from under the car after determining that I don’t need the 
> mounts replaced. I knew the PO did it (OE mounts, too!) but I wasn’t sure how 
> long ago. They’re clearly tall enough that there’s nothing to be gained by 
> replacing them. I did, however, notice that the front sway bar bushings were 
> getting cracked, so I ordered a pair along with a pair of new links. Under 
> $50 for the whole shebang from the dealer, a cheap and easy repair.
> 
> Maybe I’ll tackle the fuel filter now…
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> And yesterday’s, too.
>> 
>> I’ve had a CEL on the 1998 S210 wagon for some time, P0400, which is the EGR 
>> or related stuff. I replaced it for just that issue about 14 months ago, and 
>> the CEL returned maybe 2-3 months ago. With minimal driving and knowing it 
>> wasn’t anything significant, I just let it go.
>> 
>> As the weather has cooled off here relatively speaking, I went out last 
>> night and spent some time poking around. Found the short U-shaped vacuum 
>> line between the manifold connector and pressure transducer at the EGR was 
>> split at one end. This would definitely cause a P0400 error, so I replaced 
>> the cracked hose and reset the computer. It takes two driving cycles for the 
>> computer to decide there’s an issue, so I’ll have to drive it a bit to see 
>> if the CEL returns, but I’m optimistic the problem is solved.
>> 
>> Today I’m going to replace the motor mounts and transmission mounts. The 
>> ones on the car are not original and not in too bod shape, but I have a set 
>> of Lemförder mounts that are taking up space on the shelf so I figure i’ll 
>> put them on. I need to replace the fuel filter, too, so maybe I’ll do that 
>> as well.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Fun

Did you read the first paragraph?

-D

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Remind us which car this is?
> 
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 10:57 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Just got out from under the car after determining that I don’t need the 
> mounts replaced. I knew the PO did it (OE mounts, too!) but I wasn’t sure how 
> long ago. They’re clearly tall enough that there’s nothing to be gained by 
> replacing them. I did, however, notice that the front sway bar bushings were 
> getting cracked, so I ordered a pair along with a pair of new links. Under 
> $50 for the whole shebang from the dealer, a cheap and easy repair.
> 
> Maybe I’ll tackle the fuel filter now…
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > And yesterday’s, too.
> > 
> > I’ve had a CEL on the 1998 S210 wagon for some time, P0400, which is the 
> > EGR or related stuff. I replaced it for just that issue about 14 months 
> > ago, and the CEL returned maybe 2-3 months ago. With minimal driving and 
> > knowing it wasn’t anything significant, I just let it go.
> > 
> > As the weather has cooled off here relatively speaking, I went out last 
> > night and spent some time poking around. Found the short U-shaped vacuum 
> > line between the manifold connector and pressure transducer at the EGR was 
> > split at one end. This would definitely cause a P0400 error, so I replaced 
> > the cracked hose and reset the computer. It takes two driving cycles for 
> > the computer to decide there’s an issue, so I’ll have to drive it a bit to 
> > see if the CEL returns, but I’m optimistic the problem is solved.
> > 
> > Today I’m going to replace the motor mounts and transmission mounts. The 
> > ones on the car are not original and not in too bod shape, but I have a set 
> > of Lemförder mounts that are taking up space on the shelf so I figure i’ll 
> > put them on. I need to replace the fuel filter, too, so maybe I’ll do that 
> > as well.
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Fun

Just got out from under the car after determining that I don’t need the mounts 
replaced. I knew the PO did it (OE mounts, too!) but I wasn’t sure how long 
ago. They’re clearly tall enough that there’s nothing to be gained by replacing 
them. I did, however, notice that the front sway bar bushings were getting 
cracked, so I ordered a pair along with a pair of new links. Under $50 for the 
whole shebang from the dealer, a cheap and easy repair.

Maybe I’ll tackle the fuel filter now…

-D

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> And yesterday’s, too.
> 
> I’ve had a CEL on the 1998 S210 wagon for some time, P0400, which is the EGR 
> or related stuff. I replaced it for just that issue about 14 months ago, and 
> the CEL returned maybe 2-3 months ago. With minimal driving and knowing it 
> wasn’t anything significant, I just let it go.
> 
> As the weather has cooled off here relatively speaking, I went out last night 
> and spent some time poking around. Found the short U-shaped vacuum line 
> between the manifold connector and pressure transducer at the EGR was split 
> at one end. This would definitely cause a P0400 error, so I replaced the 
> cracked hose and reset the computer. It takes two driving cycles for the 
> computer to decide there’s an issue, so I’ll have to drive it a bit to see if 
> the CEL returns, but I’m optimistic the problem is solved.
> 
> Today I’m going to replace the motor mounts and transmission mounts. The ones 
> on the car are not original and not in too bod shape, but I have a set of 
> Lemförder mounts that are taking up space on the shelf so I figure i’ll put 
> them on. I need to replace the fuel filter, too, so maybe I’ll do that as 
> well.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 430ML

I can understand the ML500, but I would have thought the 320s would do better. 
No doubt a lot of the energy is lost in the drive train.

-D

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is one thing I never understood about the ML, why they seem to get such 
> poor fuel mileage. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 8:11 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah speakinawhich... I did a gas check on the $675ML500 (now $700 with the 
>> new ignition switch) yesterday.  Filled up at Costco.  I had noticed the 
>> gauge seemed to decline rather rapidly. 14.6mpg. Ugh. My trucks do better 
>> than that. It is kinda funner to mash the pedal though...
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Except for the gas you would have to put in it.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:27 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2020-10-03 07:13, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> That could be a good cheepcheep project. Get the fancy computer or a
>>>>> good scanner, diagnose it and get it running. If it wasn’t so far I’d
>>>>> jump on that.
>>>> 
>>>> A $1000 ML (assuming it doesn't need tires) would be a neat thing for 
>>>> driving up to the cabin in Maine.
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[MBZ] Today's Fun

And yesterday’s, too.

I’ve had a CEL on the 1998 S210 wagon for some time, P0400, which is the EGR or 
related stuff. I replaced it for just that issue about 14 months ago, and the 
CEL returned maybe 2-3 months ago. With minimal driving and knowing it wasn’t 
anything significant, I just let it go.

As the weather has cooled off here relatively speaking, I went out last night 
and spent some time poking around. Found the short U-shaped vacuum line between 
the manifold connector and pressure transducer at the EGR was split at one end. 
This would definitely cause a P0400 error, so I replaced the cracked hose and 
reset the computer. It takes two driving cycles for the computer to decide 
there’s an issue, so I’ll have to drive it a bit to see if the CEL returns, but 
I’m optimistic the problem is solved.

Today I’m going to replace the motor mounts and transmission mounts. The ones 
on the car are not original and not in too bod shape, but I have a set of 
Lemförder mounts that are taking up space on the shelf so I figure i’ll put 
them on. I need to replace the fuel filter, too, so maybe I’ll do that as well.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 430ML

Yup. The ML500 was lucky to average 14mpg on a good tank. However, when you 
mashed on that accelerator, it definitely stood up on it’s hind legs, so to 
speak.

-D

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah speakinawhich... I did a gas check on the $675ML500 (now $700 with the 
> new ignition switch) yesterday.  Filled up at Costco.  I had noticed the 
> gauge seemed to decline rather rapidly. 14.6mpg. Ugh. My trucks do better 
> than that. It is kinda funner to mash the pedal though...
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Except for the gas you would have to put in it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:27 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 2020-10-03 07:13, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> That could be a good cheepcheep project. Get the fancy computer or a
>>>> good scanner, diagnose it and get it running. If it wasn’t so far I’d
>>>> jump on that.
>>> 
>>> A $1000 ML (assuming it doesn't need tires) would be a neat thing for 
>>> driving up to the cabin in Maine.
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes 430ML

Except for the gas you would have to put in it.

-D

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:27 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-10-03 07:13, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> That could be a good cheepcheep project. Get the fancy computer or a
>> good scanner, diagnose it and get it running. If it wasn’t so far I’d
>> jump on that.
> 
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> up to the cabin in Maine.
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Re: [MBZ] Car insurance— interesting “feature”

2020-10-02 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

The app gives you the ability to remove or delete “trips” that it records. For 
instance, if you’re not driving, you can tell it you’re not.

You can also disable the app’s ability to phone home, too, if you want.

-D

> On Oct 2, 2020, at 12:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So, when you feel like blasting around with you foot down, you "forget" the 
> phone at home?
> 
> RB
> 
> 
> On 02/10/2020 11:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I’m using it at present, although grudgingly. Remember, I’m an IT security 
>> professional.
>> 
>> Why do I use it? Because I get a significant discount with it, like 20%. 
>> When your insurance costs exceed $3k/year for two cars, ten bucks is ten 
>> bucks, as Geddy Lee says. I vetted the app and found that it’s pretty 
>> innocuous for the most part, relying primarily on the accelerometer to 
>> determine braking, acceleration and speed. Those are the biggies. They also 
>> ding you for time of day, with late night and early morning being bad times 
>> to drive statistically. They don’t appear to be getting any sort of location 
>> information from what I can see.
>> 
>> As long as you don’t exceed 80 mph, change lanes rapidly, or jam on your 
>> brakes, you’re good. In other words, Mrs. Dan DOES NOT have this app on her 
>> phone.
>> 
>> My biggest gripe about it? It’s horribly inefficient and sucks battery 
>> power. I’ve given feedback about it in this regard, and received 
>> notifications that they’re aware of this and working to make it less of a 
>> drain. When I was recently up in Indiana for four days I turned it off. 
>> Yeah, I was driving on occasion, but I also didn’t want to have to have my 
>> phone on a charger the whole time, either.
>> 
>> If the discount wasn’t as significant I wouldn’t bother with it. Sometimes 
>> you have to balance security with benefits. In this case I’ll take the money 
>> and let them look over my shoulder.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I paid my Allstate car insurance using their app on my phone. The app 
>>> updated at some point.
>>> 
>>> When I started it a pop-up prompted me to set up some “feature” wherein it 
>>> could track my location and driving behaviors or something. I declined to 
>>> continue with enabling that “feature” and did not explore its benefits
>>> 
>>> --R
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Re: [MBZ] Car insurance— interesting “feature”

2020-10-02 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

I’m using it at present, although grudgingly. Remember, I’m an IT security 
professional.

Why do I use it? Because I get a significant discount with it, like 20%. When 
your insurance costs exceed $3k/year for two cars, ten bucks is ten bucks, as 
Geddy Lee says. I vetted the app and found that it’s pretty innocuous for the 
most part, relying primarily on the accelerometer to determine braking, 
acceleration and speed. Those are the biggies. They also ding you for time of 
day, with late night and early morning being bad times to drive statistically. 
They don’t appear to be getting any sort of location information from what I 
can see.

As long as you don’t exceed 80 mph, change lanes rapidly, or jam on your 
brakes, you’re good. In other words, Mrs. Dan DOES NOT have this app on her 
phone.

My biggest gripe about it? It’s horribly inefficient and sucks battery power. 
I’ve given feedback about it in this regard, and received notifications that 
they’re aware of this and working to make it less of a drain. When I was 
recently up in Indiana for four days I turned it off. Yeah, I was driving on 
occasion, but I also didn’t want to have to have my phone on a charger the 
whole time, either.

If the discount wasn’t as significant I wouldn’t bother with it. Sometimes you 
have to balance security with benefits. In this case I’ll take the money and 
let them look over my shoulder.

-D

> On Oct 2, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I paid my Allstate car insurance using their app on my phone. The app updated 
> at some point. 
> 
> When I started it a pop-up prompted me to set up some “feature” wherein it 
> could track my location and driving behaviors or something. I declined to 
> continue with enabling that “feature” and did not explore its benefits 
> 
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] Hoovie's old Benzes

2020-10-01 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Good example is the E320 CDI I sold Kaleb.  Dealer maintained from 0 to 317k, I 
got it with 327k.

-D

> On Oct 1, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> With a little effort you can find an old Benz that does have service
> records which coupled with high mileage, could be a bargain.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 12:30 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> You really don't know this group do you?
>> How many cars do you think have been purchased by folks on this forum in
>> the past 10 years that had any significant history of service?
>> Most of what these folks appear to be looking for is a cheap car that
>> might be repairable.
>> 
>> RB
>> 
>> On 01/10/2020 11:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Never buy a Mercedes that has no service history.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 10:22 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Bought some overpriced POSs sight unseen
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqJVIin8kN4
 
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Re: [MBZ] runs and drives but the transmission stuck in first gear

2020-09-30 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

BAPMIC is a Asian supplier, I believe. I think they’re one of the places that 
makes the blower motor controllers for my R129 that can’t be found anywhere 
else.

The reviews are all good for the most part.

-D

> On Sep 30, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Wow, this is cheap.
> Chinesium?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Headlight polishing

2020-09-30 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Agree with the spar varnish approach. Yes, it works, but it has to be reapplied 
on a semi-annual basis depending on the climate. That an if you screw up the 
application it’s tough to get off to redo.

-D

> On Sep 30, 2020, at 11:14 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I used spar varnish on a piece of outdoor wooden furniture and found that
> it lasted about three years, and is now peeling like the clear coat on an
> old Mercedes. I asked my sea captain BIL about it, and said that yes, spar
> varnish is great stuff, but you have to re-apply it every year!
> 
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 10:01 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> In one of the blog posts I read about this subject, the author used
>> urethane spar varnish as a clear coat on his refinished plastic
>> headlights. Claims it stays clear and stops/slows further UV
>> damage. Using the Focus as a testbed, I might try it on one light and
>> use 303 on the other light and see how they compare over time.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> Headlight film, such as Lamin-X, won’t prevent UV degradation, but it
>> will slow it down. I don’t use it on my plastic lensed cars, but I do on
>> the ones with glass lenses, as it eliminates things like “sandblasting”
>> that occur over time.
>>> 
>>> Good stuff, I highly recommend.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 30, 2020, at 12:21 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Headlight protection film or the glass lenses?
>>>> 
>>>> I've not used any, should show up in a google search though.
>>>> 
>>>> Glass lenses are better if you can find them for your vehicle.
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Headlight polishing

2020-09-30 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Headlight film, such as Lamin-X, won’t prevent UV degradation, but it will slow 
it down. I don’t use it on my plastic lensed cars, but I do on the ones with 
glass lenses, as it eliminates things like “sandblasting” that occur over time.

Good stuff, I highly recommend.

-D

> On Sep 30, 2020, at 12:21 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> Headlight protection film or the glass lenses?  
> 
> I've not used any, should show up in a google search though.
> 
> Glass lenses are better if you can find them for your vehicle.
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Re: [MBZ] Headlight polishing

I’ve used this kit from 3M a number of times, and it works great and doesn’t 
cost an arm and a leg.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B001AIZ5HY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1

There’s really no “treatment” that will fix the hazing that occurs. It’s 
because the plastic breaks down.

-D

> On Sep 29, 2020, at 8:21 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone recommend a good headlight polishing kit that actually works?
> 
> All my cars with plastic headlight covers are hazy and yellowed. Would
> like to address that if I can, but don't want to spring for new
> headlights.
> 
> From what I understand this is caused by sunlight degrading the top
> layer of plastic, and it can (more or less) be polished off, but I don't
> want to make matters worse by using the wrong approach.
> 
> Would regular UV treatment, e.g. 303 Marine treatment, be of any help to
> keep them clear?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!

Allan,

So Indiana still does the excise tax thing based on value on a sliding scale - 
for what, 12 years, I believe? At that point the car’s value is to the point 
where it’s a fixed fee, right?

-D

> On Sep 29, 2020, at 7:20 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Actually now that I think of it I realize some of the scumbags across
>> the street are driving cars on VT plates. I wonder if they're avoiding
>> MA taxes by doing that...
> 
> People in IN used to do that with IL plates. Maybe still do. IL charged
> a flat fee for registration, whereas in IN there's an excise tax based
> on the value of the car. So registering a new or valuable car in IN can
> be hundreds of dollars, every year. In IL it was like $35 flat fee last
> I knew. No idea if they've changed that, but given the financial
> disaster that is the state of IL finances, I would not be surprised.
> 
> Reminds me I need to renew all my plates in October. Since all my cars
> are old and not worth much, it's not too bad.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!

Florida penalizes you 30 days after the purchase if you haven’t registered and 
titled the vehicle. I believe it’s a pretty common thing for most states.

That being said, I don’t think it’s a significant amount.

-D

> On Sep 29, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like the commies are taking over your state.  Time to move to FL.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:35 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> It used to be that way here, but now they don’t care and start the
>> penalties after 30 days regardless.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Congrats, nice victory!
>>> 
>>> Regarding the County for the taxes, make sure that you tell them that you
>>> bought the car in a state of disrepair and you could not drive it until
>> you
>>> got it repaired.  Bring the receipt(s) for the ignition switch maybe, so
>>> you have some evidence?  In my case, when I bought the blue '95 E300, it
>>> took me several months or maybe a year to get that all sorted to the
>> point
>>> it was roadworthy, so there was no fine / late payment penalty after I
>> let
>>> the county tax desk know that.
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:11 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, VT sent me plates and some sort of registration certificate, I got
>>>> insurance so as far as I am concerned it is now "legal" to be on the
>>>> road.  VT don't do titles on vehicles 15yo or older, so this one fell in
>>>> that range.  I need to call the TitleMax guy tomorrow I guess, I just
>>>> haven't done it yet.  I wonder if he cleared the lien so VT did not see
>>>> anything.  Kaleb suggested just going to the DMV here and seeing if they
>>>> will take the VT registration certificate and turn it into a title, I
>>>> guess I could do that too but it might be less of a surprise to call TM
>>>> first.
>>>> 
>>>> I should probably call the TM guy first to see if there will be some
>>>> issue, SCDMV are kinda PsITA about stuff sometimes, and I need to do it
>>>> before the 30days happens or they ding me on days it was not registered
>>>> here.  I have to check about how they are doing things now, they were
>>>> only doing appointments before, and last time I went there I had to get
>>>> one like 3 weeks out.  You first have to go to the County Assessor and
>>>> tax office (2 transactions) to get a title request form sorted out, I
>>>> think they calculate the tax, then hand that to the tax man and pay the
>>>> tax before you can go to the DMV.  Fortunately the 2 county desks are in
>>>> the same room so that is easy enough (why they cannot do both at once at
>>>> one desk is beyond me), but then you have to go to the DMV which is
>>>> either 1) just down the road from the County offices and is a bit, um,
>>>> challenging, or 2) a new one in a less challenging location.  I guess if
>>>> I went to the county that shows DMV I was trying to be good...
>>>> 
>>>> --FT
>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/29/20 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> Dude, that’s great. Gotta love the easy (and cheap!) fixes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Was this the one that had the lien on it? Did you ever get that sorted
>>>> out?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -D
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So if you recall I bought this 05 ML500 in kind of a shady deal, $400
>>>> for the vehicle, $275 to spring it from jail where it had been towed.
>> It
>>>> had a "Start Error" which would not allow it to start.  I spent a lot of
>>>> time digging into it with the majick computer, and managed to clear the
>>>> Start Error message on the dash.  Was not apparently the keys and code
>>>> chips as those all checked out OK, the DAS (Drive Authorization System,
>> a
>>>> little loop antenna around the key switch that reads the chip in the
>> keys)
>>

Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!

Dude, that’s great. Gotta love the easy (and cheap!) fixes.

Was this the one that had the lien on it? Did you ever get that sorted out?

-D

> On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So if you recall I bought this 05 ML500 in kind of a shady deal, $400 for the 
> vehicle, $275 to spring it from jail where it had been towed.  It had a 
> "Start Error" which would not allow it to start.  I spent a lot of time 
> digging into it with the majick computer, and managed to clear the Start 
> Error message on the dash.  Was not apparently the keys and code chips as 
> those all checked out OK, the DAS (Drive Authorization System, a little loop 
> antenna around the key switch that reads the chip in the keys) appeared to be 
> happy.  I had pulled a DAS loop and module from a junker for cheap, they are 
> like $175 new, did not need to use it.
> 
> Still would not start, after doing some research it was suggested that the 
> starter power K11 relay in the fuse box under the hood was either bad or it 
> was not getting power to make it work. Swapped out relays (there are a bunch 
> that are the same), still no workies.  Turns out after doing some electrical 
> diagnosis I discovered I could jumper the relay contacts to get the engine to 
> turn over and start with the key in Run position 2 (all dash lights come on.  
> (YAY).  I put a momentary contact switch on the jumper wires so I could 
> lift the hood and turn over the engine to start.  (I tried to run it into the 
> cabin but couldn't find a convenient hole).
> 
> So that suggested that an electrical switch behind the key lock switch, that 
> the key lock actually actuates to start the car, was bad in the start 
> position 3 -- positions 1 and 2 worked and I could start and drive the 
> vehicle in position 2.There is a way to test the switch and wires right 
> there at the switch (pink wire I think, marked #15?) but it is tight in there 
> so I didn't bother with that aspect, in any case that wire is what goes to 
> the relay activator contacts (these are the contacts in back of the relay 
> slot that are along the axis of the car, the actual starter actuator contacts 
> are the front ones that are transverse) and I was getting no power to 
> activate the relay.
> 
> Common issue on these vehicles apparently,  can make you crazy, a new part is 
> like $25 so I ordered one the other day.
> 
> There are 3 covers to take off around the back of the steering wheel and the 
> various arms behind it.  There are 3 Torx T25 screws on the bottom one, some 
> plastic tabs on the top one, and some tabs and metal snap connectors on the 
> right panel.  They mostly pop out with release of the tabs and a bit of 
> gyration and having the wheel tilt up or down.
> 
> The electrical switch is at 90deg to the key switch in a round housing.  They 
> are (fairly) easy to pull once you get the covers off.  Small hands would 
> help but I managed to get the connector off (there are locking tabs with 
> little arms you can squeeze with your fingers, although I used a screwdriver 
> to push the front lock tab you can see and managed to squeeze the back one 
> and the connector popped right off.  Note that there are some tabs on the top 
> of the copnnector that slide into the back of the lock and in the housing so 
> it will only orient one way, pretty much with the tabs on the top at 12 
> oclock if you could look from the back.
> 
> The actual switch is further inside the round housing, and there are also 2 
> locking tabs that hold it in.  You can feel inside the round housing and get 
> the tabs released, although again you can use a screwdriver on the one if 
> front.  I could not get a good grip on it to pull it out so got a small pair 
> of pliers to grab a contact tab and pull it right out.
> 
> There is a small tab on the back of the key switch that turns the ignition 
> switch, it is like 1/4" wide it looks like, you can see on the new one how it 
> will fit over the key switch tab.  The old one was clearly chewed up a bit 
> and it was hard to turn with a screwdriver even if the slot was OK (which it 
> wasn't) so that was the problem, the switch wore out or bound up and would 
> not turn to position 3 to start the engine.
> 
> The new one slid in OK once I got the tabs oriented to the slot in the 
> housing, as with the connector, although I did have to put the key in a move 
> it a bit before the new switch would slide over it but that was easy enough.
> 
> Buttoned everything back up, took out my jumper switch, popped the relay back 
> in, and JOY  Engine started right up.  YAY ME  I did notice too that 
> the key turned more easily so the switch was definitely buggered from that 
> indication as well.
> 
> This time it took like an hour, next time would be like 20min.
> 
> I"m going to put this in Benzworld with pics of all the bits involved.
> 
>

Re: [MBZ] More rental house fun

Just make sure the doors are open and you’re beating a heater when you put the 
next coat of the stuff on.

-D

> On Sep 28, 2020, at 8:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> It had somewhat of an oder when applying it but not a really strong Oder like 
> I thought it would. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 7:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On 2020-09-28 19:42, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I may need another heavy coat. I started noticing the piss smell
>>> faintly before we left.
>> 
>> Did it give off a smell which overwhelmed the piss smell?
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Re: [MBZ] Sunroof recall

I would call first. Last time I checked on this recall they had a “range” of 
vehicles but hadn’t pinned down the actual VINs that were affected. It’s 
Kaleb’s problem now…

-D


> On Sep 28, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I will take it in but will also check it first. I never open the
> sunroof-just tilt it.
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 4:33 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yea me too, well me 3. I got 3 of them.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Got a recall letter today from MB. Seems that 2001-2011 various models
>> have
>>> a glass separating issue.
>>> I Have to go see the dealer for my w211.
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 1982 300CD
>>> 2005 E320 4Matic
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Re: [MBZ] Can someone try this please

I have EPC access. What are you looking for? Give me a VIN.

-D



> On Sep 28, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks. I also tried
> 
> http://mb-teilekatalog.info/view_GroupAction.php?lang=E=BM=1=FG=06H=163175=0=33
> 
> and some links on Front Axle work
> 
> http://mb-teilekatalog.info/view_GroupAction.php?lang=E=BM=1=FG=06H=163175=0=33
> 
> but this one, the one I think I need,  is gorked
> 
> http://mb-teilekatalog.info/view_SubGroupAction.php?lang=E=BM=1=FG=06H=163175=33=225
> 
> 
> 
> UNION
> SELECT *, 'bm_images_arc_image_v' tabl_name FROM bm_images_arc_image_v WHERE 
> image_name IN ('B3322506.110524','B3322507.000627')
> 
> MySQLi_conn::query: Exec query Error: You have an error in your SQL syntax; 
> check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right 
> syntax to use near 'UNION SELECT *, 'bm_images_arc_image_v' tabl_name FROM 
> bm_images_arc_image_v WHE' at line 1
> 
> I guess I need to fire up the winders laptop and see if I can get the EPC I 
> have on that machine to work, as painful as it is
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 9/28/20 11:08 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Same error here.  It's at the website.
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 10:02 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> http://mbepc.net/1/fg/ml/06h/163175#gsc.tab=0
>>> 
>>> I click on http://mbepc.net/1/fg/ml/06h/163175/0/33/
>>> 
>>> to go to Front Axle (and any other links on that top page) and get this
>>> apparent error:
>>> 
>>> uncomment: mysqli_conn line 86
>>> 
>>> Tried 2 browsers, neither works
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT maybe Honda transmission fluid is magic

He needs to sell it while it’s working well if he’s not planning on keeping it.

-D

> On Sep 28, 2020, at 8:41 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That does sound good!  Any update?
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Sep 25, 2020 9:38:35 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes :
> 
>> Not expecting much, I decided I'd try changing the transmission fluid on
>> the Element that won't stay in gear. My alternative was to try selling
>> it as-is and probably getting little more than salvage value for it.
>> 
>> Last time I changed it, I used Castrol fluid that said "for Honda" on
>> the label.
>> 
>> Fluid was black when I drained it. Filled with genuine Honda fluid,
>> drove it around until it was warm. Drove better, but still dropped out
>> of gear a few times (it seems to just drop into neutral instead of
>> properly shifting to the next gear). Did the drain/fill again. Fluid was
>> again black. It was dark by then so I called it a night.
>> 
>> Today, drove it around the neighborhood for a while to warm it
>> up. Shifted perfectly. Drained the fluid again, was somewhat dark but
>> still transparent and red. Filled again, will drive it some more
>> tomorrow. I have enough fluid for one more drain/fill.
>> 
>> Not confident yet that this is a long term fix but so far it's looking
>> hopeful.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Pumpkin Shortage?

That almost sounds naughty. And thanks for the reminder, I forgot about the 
setup.

-D

> On Sep 27, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-09-27 16:52, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> So, just out of curiosity, how do you “dispatch” the little buggers?
> 
> They do it themselves, by grabbing the nuts glued to the triggers of Victor 
> rat traps.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Pumpkin Shortage?

So, just out of curiosity, how do you “dispatch” the little buggers?

-D

> On Sep 27, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I trapped chipmunk #16 for the year today, plus one mole. I've got 4 traps 
> out now, 3 chipmunks yesterday.
> 
> I hadn't put the traps out since the end of July, chippie activity was down 
> and the ants were eating the almonds I use for bait. I've noticed a lot of 
> activity in the last two weeks so it was time to get back at it.
> 
> Which reminds me, its time to renew the decon and mouse traps in the basement 
> too.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Sunday, September 27, 2020, 4:21:06 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Mrs. Dan and oldest son were all “We’re going to put out a garden this year!”
> 
> Uh, yeah.
> 
> Florida is a hellish place to garden, not to mention all of the varmints and 
> bugs we have. They put out tomatoes, beans and jalapenos.
> 
> I’ve been making jalapeno poppers for lunch with jalapenos. Nothing else has 
> survived the varmints. Apparently they don’t care for hot peppers.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Sep 27, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > We only had one this year but it went bonkers. I've got a 3'x10' raised 
> > bed, dang zucchini hung over both sides of the bed, musta been 5' in 
> > diameter. It kept branching out and making more fruits. We actually froze 
> > some this year. Tried some the other day, it seems to have worked out good, 
> > we'll probably do more next year.
> > -Curt
> > 
> >On Sunday, September 27, 2020, 2:03:38 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:  
> > 
> > Have you tried zucchini? My parents used to have a few plants in their
> > garden and always had so much they had to give it away.
> > 
> > 
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> writes:
> > 
> >> I have had no luck with any form of squash or melon, until this year.  A
> >> cantaloupe "volunteered" and I picked it before a borer got a chance to
> >> breach the flesh completely.  I will wait a little longer to allow it to
> >> ripen further..
> >> 
> >> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 1:41 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> >> 
> >>> And don't forget Punkin Chunkin.
> >>> https://www.brownielocks.com/PunkinChunkin.html 
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> >>> 
> >>> On 2020-09-27 13:27, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>> I worked in Morton IL (small town near Peoria) for a short time in the
> >>>> early 1990s. Libby's had a large pumpkin canning operation there. Every
> >>>> fall they had a mountain of pumpkins sitting outside the plant. Morton
> >>>> called itself the "Pumpkin Capital" and had a pumpkin festival every
> >>>> fall.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Pumpkin Shortage?

Mrs. Dan and oldest son were all “We’re going to put out a garden this year!”

Uh, yeah.

Florida is a hellish place to garden, not to mention all of the varmints and 
bugs we have. They put out tomatoes, beans and jalapenos.

I’ve been making jalapeno poppers for lunch with jalapenos. Nothing else has 
survived the varmints. Apparently they don’t care for hot peppers.

-D

> On Sep 27, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We only had one this year but it went bonkers. I've got a 3'x10' raised bed, 
> dang zucchini hung over both sides of the bed, musta been 5' in diameter. It 
> kept branching out and making more fruits. We actually froze some this year. 
> Tried some the other day, it seems to have worked out good, we'll probably do 
> more next year.
> -Curt
> 
>On Sunday, September 27, 2020, 2:03:38 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Have you tried zucchini? My parents used to have a few plants in their
> garden and always had so much they had to give it away.
> 
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> I have had no luck with any form of squash or melon, until this year.  A
>> cantaloupe "volunteered" and I picked it before a borer got a chance to
>> breach the flesh completely.  I will wait a little longer to allow it to
>> ripen further..
>> 
>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 1:41 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> And don't forget Punkin Chunkin.
>>> https://www.brownielocks.com/PunkinChunkin.html
>>> 
>>> On 2020-09-27 13:27, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
 I worked in Morton IL (small town near Peoria) for a short time in the
 early 1990s. Libby's had a large pumpkin canning operation there. Every
 fall they had a mountain of pumpkins sitting outside the plant. Morton
 called itself the "Pumpkin Capital" and had a pumpkin festival every
 fall.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Pumpkin Shortage?

Yeah, that’s why I couldn’t find any. Okie hoarding. And here I was going to 
blame it on Starbucks.

-D

> On Sep 27, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yep. The wife bought every can of it one is the stores here had the other 
> day. Something like 3 cases. It was for her bakery business deal. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Mrs. Dan had a couple of cans of pumpkin pie filling on the grocery list 
>> for a bundt cake she was going to make today.
>> 
>> No (canned) pumpkin to be found anywhere. Publix had a sign on the shelf 
>> saying there were “production shortages” of pumpkin. How can that be?
>> 
>> Guess I’ll have to go with the real thing and buy some pumpkins…
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Pumpkin Shortage?

Good to know, Peter, thanks!

Guess we’ll hoard the one big can we have for Thanksgiving.

-D

> On Sep 27, 2020, at 9:12 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The vast majority of the pie filling pumpkins are grown in a small area in 
> Iowa (I think) -- a specific variety that isn't common elsewhere.  Those big 
> decorative pumpkins don't make good pies, you want the small "sugar" or New 
> England Field ones.  The big ones have watery slop for pulp when cooked.
> 
> Production problems have been more common up that way the last couple years.  
> Excessive rainfall, too cold too late, too hot and dry too early.  And this 
> year the field labor to pick them probably came down with CoVid 19, it's the 
> same immigrant (often illegal) labor that handles nearly all commercial 
> produce in the US.
> 
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[MBZ] OT - Pumpkin Shortage?

Mrs. Dan had a couple of cans of pumpkin pie filling on the grocery list for a 
bundt cake she was going to make today.

No (canned) pumpkin to be found anywhere. Publix had a sign on the shelf saying 
there were “production shortages” of pumpkin. How can that be?

Guess I’ll have to go with the real thing and buy some pumpkins…

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Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.

Karl,

Based on what I’m reading it’s not so much of hate for California as it is for 
the perception that Californians are all of the same political persuasion, 
which some people don’t care for.

Guess some of these people know nothing of Orange County, do they?

Anyway, this thread is taking a political bent that is bordering on 
inappropriate. Let’s keep it on topic without the veiled political references 
or close it, please.

For what it’s worth, I lived in San Bruno and Montara (San Francisco) and found 
it to be a lovely place with great people. If it wasn’t for the cost of living 
I might still be there.

-D


> On Sep 27, 2020, at 1:56 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Where does all this animosity toward CA come from? I mean I live here, and
> there is plenty of crazy stuff going on, but I don't obsess about what is
> going on in other states.
> 
> For some reason people seem to enjoy slagging on California, even when they
> dont pay any taxes here. That seems weird to me.
> 
> We are a federation of states. If 37 million people in a given state want
> to live a certain way or mismanage their finances or motor vehicle laws for
> whatever reason, it is their constitutional right to do so. Or at least I
> thought that was what this country was about.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 12:17 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I really hope CA, WA, and OR secede.  Then the remaining states can
>> declare war on the "West", occupy (probably without resistance) everything
>> but some coastal enclaves and shut off the water and power to those blue
>> anthills.  We won't be so lucky.
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Max Dillon via Mercedes
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 9:23 AM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> Cc: Max Dillon 
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by
>>> 2035.
>>> 
>>> Insanity.  Let the forests burn, releasing more carbon dioxide and other
>> very
>>> toxic pollution in a week than all those cars in a year or more, and
>> banish
>>> gasoline engines instead.  Ignore that your state is burning down around
>> your
>>> ears, but find a boogey man that you can attack to signal your virtue.
>>> 
>>> So will all the firefighting equipment be battery powered, hydrogen
>> powered,
>>> or use unicorn farts?  Maybe all the trees will be burned down by then,
>> so no
>>> more firefighting equipment will be needed?
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> Sep 24, 2020 7:50:52 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>>> :
>>> 
 California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
 
 Gov. Gavin Newsom, who has made urgent calls this year for sweeping
>>> actions to curb carbon emissions as massive wildfires have devastated the
>>> West Coast, signed an order Wednesday aimed at helping to phase out
>>> combustion vehicles in the nation’s most populous state. The measure
>> targets
>>> ending the sale of new gasoline- and diesel-powered passenger cars in
>>> California by 2035. The Democratic governor said transitioning to zero-
>>> emissions vehicles would significantly reduce the state’s greenhouse gas
>>> output, about half of which comes from transportation. Currently, less
>> than
>>> 10% of all new vehicle sales in the state are electric. A leading auto-
>>> manufacturing lobbying group voiced support for expanding electric
>> offerings
>>> but called for more consumer incentives and infrastructure investments to
>>> boost demand.
 
 --FT
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[MBZ] Clay's Got a Big Blow Coming!

2020-09-26 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Looks like Clay is going to be close to a Arctic hurricane!

https://forecast.weather.gov/showsigwx.php?warnzone=AKZ017=AKC282=AKZ017_place1=25%20Miles%20WNW%20Point%20Latouche%20AK=Special+Weather+Statement=59.988=-140.3174
 


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Re: [MBZ] W123 yellow Bosch fog lamp

2020-09-26 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Buy the headlight assembly and toss the extras on the shelf in case you need 
them later. The fog lamp is $266 from the dealer new, and aftermarket not much 
cheaper.

-D

> On Sep 26, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> My '83 300TD wagon has a badly cracked front left fog lamp.  I need just
> the yellow bulb, as seen in this headlamp assembly listed on ebay for $60.
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/MERCEDES-W123-FRONT-RIGHT-PASSENGER-SIDE-HEADLIGHT-LAMP-OEM/264641768369?hash=item3d9de0ebb1:g:Sy0AAOSwQZFeTsHE
> 
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] Aviation version of cheap benz?

My project days are pretty much over. I’m focused on the end run towards 
retirement. Maybe then…

-D

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 9:03 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> When you run out of Mercedes projects, you can always put together a Lancair, 
> Van's RV, or Tailwind. I saw a LNC235 kit, the fuselage halves were joined 
> but otherwise not much done, for $8k a couple of years ago. I had to tell 
> myself "you don't have a GA pilot's license, and you have a terrible track 
> record on finishing projects since you turned 40".
> 
> Mitch.
> 
> On 2020-09-25 20:38, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
>> A Luscombe will outrun a Sedan. But the Sedan carries four people.
>> I joined a flying club with some Cessnas and whatnot, so no real need to
>> buy anything just yet.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

I just stick to direct flights when possible and spend as little time in the 
airport as I can. Flying still stinks. Can’t imagine what it’s like to be a 
road warrior this day in age.

-D

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 9:01 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I always added a day ahead of work to try to get my clock sorted a bit. I 
> flew BA to/from BOS-LHR a lot, had a gold card, usually biz or first, started 
> in the BA lounge to get ready...  the First/Concorde club at LHR was amazing 
> 
> I hate flying now, haven’t been on a plane in 3-4 years now. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I could never do that. On the way over I typically had to be functional and 
>> ready to work the next day. My flights usually put me in late in the day, so 
>> I would grab a light meal and try to sleep after staying awake on the plane 
>> all the way over. Our Medical Department issued sleeping pills (prescription 
>> strength stuff) and in the case of my return flights I usually had a good 
>> meal after takeoff, took a sleeping pill, and woke up in time for breakfast 
>> and landing shortly after.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yup, my last trip to the Philippines I went economy plus which included 
>>> access to the British Airways lounge in Logan. I drank a BUNCH of free BA 
>>> wine. Then had a couple more with dinner. Slept like a log most of the 
>>> flight, it was lovely.
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>  On Friday, September 25, 2020, 8:22:27 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via 
>>> Mercedes  wrote:  
>>> 
>>> Drinking helps. Anesthetize yourself for 8 or 10 hours then spend the last 
>>> hours eating 
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yup. My Singapore route connected through Narita.
>>>> 
>>>> Singapore to NAR - 7:00
>>>> 
>>>> NAR to ORD (O’ Hare) - 12:00
>>>> 
>>>> That’s a brutal, brutal day.
>>>> 
>>>> When I would fly to Seoul I often flew from Detroit direct on Northwest. 
>>>> That’s over 14 hours in the air non-stop. Even in business class that was 
>>>> unpleasant. I can’t even begin to imagine what it’s like in coach.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Flying home from Tokyo direct to Boston the flight leaves at like 4:10pm 
>>>>> and arrives (13 hours later) at like 4:05pm the same day...
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Curt
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Friday, September 25, 2020, 4:52:01 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I traveled to Asia a number of times each year. It was a total mind f*ck 
>>>>> whenever I went because of the “loss” of a day going over. Worse than 
>>>>> that, trying to interact with people back in the States was even worse, 
>>>>> like “OK, it’s 12 noon here so it’s midnight last night at home.” That 
>>>>> leaves a fairly small window of time to call home and not be disruptive, 
>>>>> like at breakfast (yesterday’s dinner time) or dinner (same day’s 
>>>>> breakfast time).
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, coming back was even worse. If I came back from say Singapore, I 
>>>>> would leave at 8:00 am local time and arrive back in Chicago 19 hours 
>>>>> later at 2:00 PM the same day in the afternoon.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Talk about messing up your mind. It certainly did.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -D
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>>>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I went to Tokyo once and it was weird being a whole nuther day, it was 
>>>>>> the first day of spring when I was there so I don't know what time 
>>>>>> distortion it was, but it was 14hr ahead in Tokyo from Boston
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --FT
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 9/25/20 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>>> I've got a class

Re: [MBZ] Aviation version of cheap benz?

An old guy who was the A mechanic at the FBO at the little country airport in 
Indiana my Dad flew out of years ago had what I believe was an UC-90, a tandem 
version that the military used. His name was “Smokey” and he always flew it to 
Florida for the winter with his girlfriend. I asked him one day how long it 
took him and he said, “Oh, 3-4 days with a tailwind.”

I thought he was joking.

-D

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:38 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A Luscombe will outrun a Sedan. But the Sedan carries four people.
> 
> I joined a flying club with some Cessnas and whatnot, so no real need to
> buy anything just yet.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 1:53 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Luscombe, doc, you need a Luscombe.
>> 
>> Something you can fly that will arrive after a car driven the same route.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, that's one part of the wing that will not need rebuilding at least.
>>> 
>>> More than one person has told me to buy a 180hp Stinson. That and Aeronca
>>> sedans.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 9:24 AM G Mann via Mercedes >> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Dying is not on my bucket list...tyvm... However, I have a long history
>> of
>>>> cheating death.
>>>> 
>>>> Wing spars on the 108 Stinsons are extruded aluminium and with holes in
>> the
>>>> fabric or not, corrosion inspection is part of every annual inspection
>> for
>>>> the wing spars Replacement new spars are not obtainable $$$.
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:00 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> If you fly home in it, what's the worst that can go wrong, you die
>> doing
>>>>> what you loved?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mitch.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2020-09-25 11:51, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>> Ad neglected to mention the wing spar is wood. Imagine it is in great
>>>>>> shape
>>>>>> sitting out in the rain with holes in the fabric.
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

I could never do that. On the way over I typically had to be functional and 
ready to work the next day. My flights usually put me in late in the day, so I 
would grab a light meal and try to sleep after staying awake on the plane all 
the way over. Our Medical Department issued sleeping pills (prescription 
strength stuff) and in the case of my return flights I usually had a good meal 
after takeoff, took a sleeping pill, and woke up in time for breakfast and 
landing shortly after.

-D

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yup, my last trip to the Philippines I went economy plus which included 
> access to the British Airways lounge in Logan. I drank a BUNCH of free BA 
> wine. Then had a couple more with dinner. Slept like a log most of the 
> flight, it was lovely.
> -Curt
> 
>On Friday, September 25, 2020, 8:22:27 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via 
> Mercedes  wrote:  
> 
> Drinking helps. Anesthetize yourself for 8 or 10 hours then spend the last 
> hours eating 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yup. My Singapore route connected through Narita.
>> 
>> Singapore to NAR - 7:00
>> 
>> NAR to ORD (O’ Hare) - 12:00
>> 
>> That’s a brutal, brutal day.
>> 
>> When I would fly to Seoul I often flew from Detroit direct on Northwest. 
>> That’s over 14 hours in the air non-stop. Even in business class that was 
>> unpleasant. I can’t even begin to imagine what it’s like in coach.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Flying home from Tokyo direct to Boston the flight leaves at like 4:10pm 
>>> and arrives (13 hours later) at like 4:05pm the same day...
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Friday, September 25, 2020, 4:52:01 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I traveled to Asia a number of times each year. It was a total mind f*ck 
>>> whenever I went because of the “loss” of a day going over. Worse than that, 
>>> trying to interact with people back in the States was even worse, like “OK, 
>>> it’s 12 noon here so it’s midnight last night at home.” That leaves a 
>>> fairly small window of time to call home and not be disruptive, like at 
>>> breakfast (yesterday’s dinner time) or dinner (same day’s breakfast time).
>>> 
>>> However, coming back was even worse. If I came back from say Singapore, I 
>>> would leave at 8:00 am local time and arrive back in Chicago 19 hours later 
>>> at 2:00 PM the same day in the afternoon.
>>> 
>>> Talk about messing up your mind. It certainly did.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I went to Tokyo once and it was weird being a whole nuther day, it was the 
>>>> first day of spring when I was there so I don't know what time distortion 
>>>> it was, but it was 14hr ahead in Tokyo from Boston
>>>> 
>>>> --FT
>>>> 
>>>> On 9/25/20 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been 
>>>>> running classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is 
>>>>> figuring out when I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled 
>>>>> the class for 9am JST on the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the 
>>>>> instructor schedule has me teaching on the 29th.
>>>>> It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the 
>>>>> 28th...
>>>>> I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for 
>>>>> another class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for 
>>>>> another class (earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
>>>>> Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably 
>>>>> isn't going to work on Friday" you'd be right!
>>>>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

Well, if things get bad over the next few weeks I’ll know. I’m going back up 
there the first week of November.

-D

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> From what I've read it could be even more desolate as flu season hits and if 
> there is a resurgence in COVID 19.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:17 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Just flew up to Indianapolis last week to see family. It was surreal.
> 
> The airports, even at what would normally be considered peak times (Sunday 
> afternoon) were empty. Wander through security leisurely. No stores or 
> restaurants open, other than sit-down ones, and those were all serving 
> everything with take-out materials.
> 
> Southwest requires middle seats to be empty, so the planes were no more than 
> 2/3 full. People actually got on and off in an orderly fashion, too.
> 
> Going back up in November, wondering if it will be the same.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > I haven't flown anywhere since the first week of February. Its a weird 
> > feeling.
> > We've figured out how to run classes online. In most cases its nearly as 
> > good as in-person although the students don't get any of the networking you 
> > get in-person. I don't get to learn about them either. A lot of my students 
> > I know their whole story, I've met kids and wives and even a couple 
> > mistresses...
> > -Curt
> > 
> >On Friday, September 25, 2020, 4:36:15 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via 
> > Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:  
> > 
> > I trust this is all being done on-line these days and you are not about 
> > to fly to Japan?
> > 
> > RB
> > 
> > On 25/09/2020 3:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been 
> >> running classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is 
> >> figuring out when I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled the 
> >> class for 9am JST on the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the instructor 
> >> schedule has me teaching on the 29th.
> >> It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the 
> >> 28th...
> >> I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for 
> >> another class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for 
> >> another class (earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
> >> Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably 
> >> isn't going to work on Friday" you'd be right!
> >> -Curt
> >> 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

Just flew up to Indianapolis last week to see family. It was surreal.

The airports, even at what would normally be considered peak times (Sunday 
afternoon) were empty. Wander through security leisurely. No stores or 
restaurants open, other than sit-down ones, and those were all serving 
everything with take-out materials.

Southwest requires middle seats to be empty, so the planes were no more than 
2/3 full. People actually got on and off in an orderly fashion, too.

Going back up in November, wondering if it will be the same.

-D

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I haven't flown anywhere since the first week of February. Its a weird 
> feeling.
> We've figured out how to run classes online. In most cases its nearly as good 
> as in-person although the students don't get any of the networking you get 
> in-person. I don't get to learn about them either. A lot of my students I 
> know their whole story, I've met kids and wives and even a couple 
> mistresses...
> -Curt
> 
>On Friday, September 25, 2020, 4:36:15 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> I trust this is all being done on-line these days and you are not about 
> to fly to Japan?
> 
> RB
> 
> On 25/09/2020 3:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been running 
>> classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is figuring out 
>> when I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled the class for 9am 
>> JST on the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the instructor schedule has me 
>> teaching on the 29th.
>> It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the 28th...
>> I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for another 
>> class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for another class 
>> (earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
>> Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably 
>> isn't going to work on Friday" you'd be right!
>> -Curt
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

Yup. My Singapore route connected through Narita.

Singapore to NAR - 7:00

NAR to ORD (O’ Hare) - 12:00

That’s a brutal, brutal day.

When I would fly to Seoul I often flew from Detroit direct on Northwest. That’s 
over 14 hours in the air non-stop. Even in business class that was unpleasant. 
I can’t even begin to imagine what it’s like in coach.

-D

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Flying home from Tokyo direct to Boston the flight leaves at like 4:10pm and 
> arrives (13 hours later) at like 4:05pm the same day...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Friday, September 25, 2020, 4:52:01 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I traveled to Asia a number of times each year. It was a total mind f*ck 
> whenever I went because of the “loss” of a day going over. Worse than that, 
> trying to interact with people back in the States was even worse, like “OK, 
> it’s 12 noon here so it’s midnight last night at home.” That leaves a fairly 
> small window of time to call home and not be disruptive, like at breakfast 
> (yesterday’s dinner time) or dinner (same day’s breakfast time).
> 
> However, coming back was even worse. If I came back from say Singapore, I 
> would leave at 8:00 am local time and arrive back in Chicago 19 hours later 
> at 2:00 PM the same day in the afternoon.
> 
> Talk about messing up your mind. It certainly did.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > I went to Tokyo once and it was weird being a whole nuther day, it was the 
> > first day of spring when I was there so I don't know what time distortion 
> > it was, but it was 14hr ahead in Tokyo from Boston
> > 
> > --FT
> > 
> > On 9/25/20 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been 
> >> running classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is 
> >> figuring out when I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled the 
> >> class for 9am JST on the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the instructor 
> >> schedule has me teaching on the 29th.
> >> It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the 
> >> 28th...
> >> I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for 
> >> another class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for 
> >> another class (earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
> >> Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably 
> >> isn't going to work on Friday" you'd be right!
> >> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird

Heck, I don’t want to travel anywhere that I can’t sleep in my own bed at night.

-D

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> Yes i experienced that time warp working in Hong Kong  & Taiwan. At this 
> point in my life i don't want to travel anywhere where i can't get there by 
> 300CD  
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 4:52 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> I traveled to Asia a number of times each year. It was a total mind f*ck 
> whenever I went because of the “loss” of a day going over. Worse than that, 
> trying to interact with people back in the States was even worse, like “OK, 
> it’s 12 noon here so it’s midnight last night at home.” That leaves a fairly 
> small window of time to call home and not be disruptive, like at breakfast 
> (yesterday’s dinner time) or dinner (same day’s breakfast time).
> 
> However, coming back was even worse. If I came back from say Singapore, I 
> would leave at 8:00 am local time and arrive back in Chicago 19 hours later 
> at 2:00 PM the same day in the afternoon.
> 
> Talk about messing up your mind. It certainly did.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > I went to Tokyo once and it was weird being a whole nuther day, it was the 
> > first day of spring when I was there so I don't know what time distortion 
> > it was, but it was 14hr ahead in Tokyo from Boston
> > 
> > --FT
> > 
> > On 9/25/20 4:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I've got a class for students in Japan next week. I've already been 
> >> running classes online so thats not the weird part.The weird part is 
> >> figuring out when I'm supposed to teach the dang thing. They scheduled the 
> >> class for 9am JST on the 29th which is 8pm here. Then in the instructor 
> >> schedule has me teaching on the 29th.
> >> It finally occured to me that 9am JST on the 29th is 8pm here on the 
> >> 28th...
> >> I didn't want to do this class because they'd already booked me for 
> >> another class on the 29th, turns out they had already booked me for 
> >> another class (earlier in the day) on the 28th too...
> >> Its a 4 day class, Monday through Thursday, if you thought "He probably 
> >> isn't going to work on Friday" you'd be right!
> >> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Aviation version of cheap benz?

Luscombe, doc, you need a Luscombe.

Something you can fly that will arrive after a car driven the same route.

-D

> On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
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> Well, that's one part of the wing that will not need rebuilding at least.
> 
> More than one person has told me to buy a 180hp Stinson. That and Aeronca
> sedans.
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> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 9:24 AM G Mann via Mercedes 
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>> Dying is not on my bucket list...tyvm... However, I have a long history of
>> cheating death.
>> 
>> Wing spars on the 108 Stinsons are extruded aluminium and with holes in the
>> fabric or not, corrosion inspection is part of every annual inspection for
>> the wing spars Replacement new spars are not obtainable $$$.
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>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:00 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>>> If you fly home in it, what's the worst that can go wrong, you die doing
>>> what you loved?
>>> 
>>> Mitch.
>>> 
>>> On 2020-09-25 11:51, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
 Ad neglected to mention the wing spar is wood. Imagine it is in great
 shape
 sitting out in the rain with holes in the fabric.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dealing with Asia is weird