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Did you buy it there, or just register it? I thought you couldn't buy a diesel there? --R On 7/14/11 8:32 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Sure we have some diesels here but the selection is extremely limited. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2011, at 6:00 PM, John Freermbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Strange comment as I had a 2005 E320CDI registered in CA for 5 years. Sent from my iPad On Jul 14, 2011, at 6:02 AM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Probably. The thing is, you can buy a 320CDI in an R, ML and a GL, why not everything else? And the smaller diesel engines too, which I presume act about the same as the 320CDI. Probably some sort of marketing thing, maybe some emissions testing/validation issues too. --R On 7/14/11 8:51 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: It's because someone in CA saw a fully-laden double-tandem semi belching coal, and got all huffy. Walt On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: None of the diesels (at least the newer ones) I saw had any smoke or smell, the exhaust on our car had no odor at all. One diesel Benz that was parked next to my car at some place had a slight vinegary odor to it, which the fuel also had, but other than that was not noticeable at all. I don't quite understand the Collyfawnya issues with these vehicles, must be some invisible something or other. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I took a taxi ride in a Pious in Granada, it sorta makes sense in the hilly towns. There were a lot of those things (hilly towns and Piouses) around. I noticed when we were in it that a couple of people nearly stepped out in front of it as they did not hear it coming at them. I thought that only happened to me when I was on my bike. None of the diesels (at least the newer ones) I saw had any smoke or smell, the exhaust on our car had no odor at all. One diesel Benz that was parked next to my car at some place had a slight vinegary odor to it, which the fuel also had, but other than that was not noticeable at all. I don't quite understand the Collyfawnya issues with these vehicles, must be some invisible something or other. --R On 7/13/11 11:29 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: We just get stuck with lame ass priuses here. God forbid we Americans embrace a fuel efficient diesel. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2011, at 10:49 PM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Did a little road trip around Spain and Portugal the last few days. Rented a Peugeot 508 diesel wagon (had 8km on it when Avis gave it to me) 6spd which was a very nice car and quite roomy. Very nice nav system and graphics built in (I took a Tomtom with Iberian maps, but ended up relying on the Spanish-speaking nav system we called Peugie). 4 people and lots of luggage. 2 tanks of fuel in about 9 days of driving, nearly a 1000mi I think, could have been more I will have to look at the receipt. Most every car I saw was a diesel, including lots of Benzes of all sizes from A to S, including some very nice CLS320CDIs and S320CDIs (drool!). Maybe 15% were gassers. Lots of beemers and jap cars too, all diesels. Diesel fuel was the cheapest at about e1.40/ltr give or take, gas another 10-20cents more. Filling the tank was over e70 (ouch). I got pretty good at the manual tranny in some VERY challenging streets in the VERY old hill towns but at one point the clutch was stinking pretty badly (FIIAR). I still wonder why we can't get all these great cars here in the US -- the wagon was getting about 40mpg on the road (if my calculations were close) at 120kph on the Autovia freeways. I want one of those big diesel Benzes. ---R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It's because someone in CA saw a fully-laden double-tandem semi belching coal, and got all huffy. Walt On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I took a taxi ride in a Pious in Granada, it sorta makes sense in the hilly towns. There were a lot of those things (hilly towns and Piouses) around. I noticed when we were in it that a couple of people nearly stepped out in front of it as they did not hear it coming at them. I thought that only happened to me when I was on my bike. None of the diesels (at least the newer ones) I saw had any smoke or smell, the exhaust on our car had no odor at all. One diesel Benz that was parked next to my car at some place had a slight vinegary odor to it, which the fuel also had, but other than that was not noticeable at all. I don't quite understand the Collyfawnya issues with these vehicles, must be some invisible something or other. --R On 7/13/11 11:29 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: We just get stuck with lame ass priuses here. God forbid we Americans embrace a fuel efficient diesel. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2011, at 10:49 PM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Did a little road trip around Spain and Portugal the last few days. Rented a Peugeot 508 diesel wagon (had 8km on it when Avis gave it to me) 6spd which was a very nice car and quite roomy. Very nice nav system and graphics built in (I took a Tomtom with Iberian maps, but ended up relying on the Spanish-speaking nav system we called Peugie). 4 people and lots of luggage. 2 tanks of fuel in about 9 days of driving, nearly a 1000mi I think, could have been more I will have to look at the receipt. Most every car I saw was a diesel, including lots of Benzes of all sizes from A to S, including some very nice CLS320CDIs and S320CDIs (drool!). Maybe 15% were gassers. Lots of beemers and jap cars too, all diesels. Diesel fuel was the cheapest at about e1.40/ltr give or take, gas another 10-20cents more. Filling the tank was over e70 (ouch). I got pretty good at the manual tranny in some VERY challenging streets in the VERY old hill towns but at one point the clutch was stinking pretty badly (FIIAR). I still wonder why we can't get all these great cars here in the US -- the wagon was getting about 40mpg on the road (if my calculations were close) at 120kph on the Autovia freeways. I want one of those big diesel Benzes. ---R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Probably. The thing is, you can buy a 320CDI in an R, ML and a GL, why not everything else? And the smaller diesel engines too, which I presume act about the same as the 320CDI. Probably some sort of marketing thing, maybe some emissions testing/validation issues too. --R On 7/14/11 8:51 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: It's because someone in CA saw a fully-laden double-tandem semi belching coal, and got all huffy. Walt On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: None of the diesels (at least the newer ones) I saw had any smoke or smell, the exhaust on our car had no odor at all. One diesel Benz that was parked next to my car at some place had a slight vinegary odor to it, which the fuel also had, but other than that was not noticeable at all. I don't quite understand the Collyfawnya issues with these vehicles, must be some invisible something or other. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They test diesel emissions at idle (or used to), neglecting the fuel efficiency once at speed. So even though it takes half as much fuel to get from point A to point B, since the idle emissions are higher they're bad. I can kinda see the point in dense urban stop/go, but compared to the bug-fogging Honda's and crap that I see, a diesel is much cleaner... Walt On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Probably. The thing is, you can buy a 320CDI in an R, ML and a GL, why not everything else? And the smaller diesel engines too, which I presume act about the same as the 320CDI. Probably some sort of marketing thing, maybe some emissions testing/validation issues too. --R On 7/14/11 8:51 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: It's because someone in CA saw a fully-laden double-tandem semi belching coal, and got all huffy. Walt On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: None of the diesels (at least the newer ones) I saw had any smoke or smell, the exhaust on our car had no odor at all. One diesel Benz that was parked next to my car at some place had a slight vinegary odor to it, which the fuel also had, but other than that was not noticeable at all. I don't quite understand the Collyfawnya issues with these vehicles, must be some invisible something or other. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Great story on Planet Money (NPR program) this week about the economics of the Prius relative to the social influence of driving a hybrid car. Makes for a pretty interesting story on how our need for acceptance and/or social standing influences our choices, as well as the economic impact of the same. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I took a taxi ride in a Pious in Granada, it sorta makes sense in the hilly towns. There were a lot of those things (hilly towns and Piouses) around. I noticed when we were in it that a couple of people nearly stepped out in front of it as they did not hear it coming at them. I thought that only happened to me when I was on my bike. None of the diesels (at least the newer ones) I saw had any smoke or smell, the exhaust on our car had no odor at all. One diesel Benz that was parked next to my car at some place had a slight vinegary odor to it, which the fuel also had, but other than that was not noticeable at all. I don't quite understand the Collyfawnya issues with these vehicles, must be some invisible something or other. --R On 7/13/11 11:29 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: We just get stuck with lame ass priuses here. God forbid we Americans embrace a fuel efficient diesel. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2011, at 10:49 PM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Did a little road trip around Spain and Portugal the last few days. Rented a Peugeot 508 diesel wagon (had 8km on it when Avis gave it to me) 6spd which was a very nice car and quite roomy. Very nice nav system and graphics built in (I took a Tomtom with Iberian maps, but ended up relying on the Spanish-speaking nav system we called Peugie). 4 people and lots of luggage. 2 tanks of fuel in about 9 days of driving, nearly a 1000mi I think, could have been more I will have to look at the receipt. Most every car I saw was a diesel, including lots of Benzes of all sizes from A to S, including some very nice CLS320CDIs and S320CDIs (drool!). Maybe 15% were gassers. Lots of beemers and jap cars too, all diesels. Diesel fuel was the cheapest at about e1.40/ltr give or take, gas another 10-20cents more. Filling the tank was over e70 (ouch). I got pretty good at the manual tranny in some VERY challenging streets in the VERY old hill towns but at one point the clutch was stinking pretty badly (FIIAR). I still wonder why we can't get all these great cars here in the US -- the wagon was getting about 40mpg on the road (if my calculations were close) at 120kph on the Autovia freeways. I want one of those big diesel Benzes. ---R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The Massholes also got on the Collyfawnya wagon and banned diesels some years ago (after I left, fortunately, and went to Texas where I got bit). Don't know if that has changed or not. Maybe we can get Bwawney Fwank and Jon Carry to look into it when they have some time after destroying the economy. --R On 7/14/11 9:17 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: I don't quite understand the Collyfawnya issues with these vehicles, must be some invisible something or other. CARB doesn't like diesel cooties. They saw a 1950's GMC bus once, and a bulldozer, and it scared them. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Close Walt, but it was 40 years ago, a 2 stroke GM diesel that the owner turned up the injection for more power and the brain children of CARB KNOW all diesels are like that. It's because someone in CA saw a fully-laden double-tandem semi belching coal, and got all huffy. Walt On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I took a taxi ride in a Pious in Granada, it sorta makes sense in the hilly towns. There were a lot of those things (hilly towns and Piouses) around. I noticed when we were in it that a couple of people nearly stepped out in front of it as they did not hear it coming at them. I thought that only happened to me when I was on my bike. None of the diesels (at least the newer ones) I saw had any smoke or smell, the exhaust on our car had no odor at all. One diesel Benz that was parked next to my car at some place had a slight vinegary odor to it, which the fuel also had, but other than that was not noticeable at all. I don't quite understand the Collyfawnya issues with these vehicles, must be some invisible something or other. --R On 7/13/11 11:29 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: We just get stuck with lame ass priuses here. God forbid we Americans embrace a fuel efficient diesel. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2011, at 10:49 PM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Did a little road trip around Spain and Portugal the last few days. Rented a Peugeot 508 diesel wagon (had 8km on it when Avis gave it to me) 6spd which was a very nice car and quite roomy. Very nice nav system and graphics built in (I took a Tomtom with Iberian maps, but ended up relying on the Spanish-speaking nav system we called Peugie). 4 people and lots of luggage. 2 tanks of fuel in about 9 days of driving, nearly a 1000mi I think, could have been more I will have to look at the receipt. Most every car I saw was a diesel, including lots of Benzes of all sizes from A to S, including some very nice CLS320CDIs and S320CDIs (drool!). Maybe 15% were gassers. Lots of beemers and jap cars too, all diesels. Diesel fuel was the cheapest at about e1.40/ltr give or take, gas another 10-20cents more. Filling the tank was over e70 (ouch). I got pretty good at the manual tranny in some VERY challenging streets in the VERY old hill towns but at one point the clutch was stinking pretty badly (FIIAR). I still wonder why we can't get all these great cars here in the US -- the wagon was getting about 40mpg on the road (if my calculations were close) at 120kph on the Autovia freeways. I want one of those big diesel Benzes. ---R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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GM Diesel cars of late '70's didn't help American's perception of Diesels , either. I think they contributed greatly to demise of the American Diesel market. Wilton - Original Message - From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Back in the US of A It's because someone in CA saw a fully-laden double-tandem semi belching coal, and got all huffy. Walt On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I took a taxi ride in a Pious in Granada, it sorta makes sense in the hilly towns. There were a lot of those things (hilly towns and Piouses) around. I noticed when we were in it that a couple of people nearly stepped out in front of it as they did not hear it coming at them. I thought that only happened to me when I was on my bike. None of the diesels (at least the newer ones) I saw had any smoke or smell, the exhaust on our car had no odor at all. One diesel Benz that was parked next to my car at some place had a slight vinegary odor to it, which the fuel also had, but other than that was not noticeable at all. I don't quite understand the Collyfawnya issues with these vehicles, must be some invisible something or other. --R On 7/13/11 11:29 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: We just get stuck with lame ass priuses here. God forbid we Americans embrace a fuel efficient diesel. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2011, at 10:49 PM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Did a little road trip around Spain and Portugal the last few days. Rented a Peugeot 508 diesel wagon (had 8km on it when Avis gave it to me) 6spd which was a very nice car and quite roomy. Very nice nav system and graphics built in (I took a Tomtom with Iberian maps, but ended up relying on the Spanish-speaking nav system we called Peugie). 4 people and lots of luggage. 2 tanks of fuel in about 9 days of driving, nearly a 1000mi I think, could have been more I will have to look at the receipt. Most every car I saw was a diesel, including lots of Benzes of all sizes from A to S, including some very nice CLS320CDIs and S320CDIs (drool!). Maybe 15% were gassers. Lots of beemers and jap cars too, all diesels. Diesel fuel was the cheapest at about e1.40/ltr give or take, gas another 10-20cents more. Filling the tank was over e70 (ouch). I got pretty good at the manual tranny in some VERY challenging streets in the VERY old hill towns but at one point the clutch was stinking pretty badly (FIIAR). I still wonder why we can't get all these great cars here in the US -- the wagon was getting about 40mpg on the road (if my calculations were close) at 120kph on the Autovia freeways. I want one of those big diesel Benzes. ---R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Perhaps the new state of Southern California will break away from the land of fruits and nuts and set a new standard of operation, while the old state of fruits and nuts and all their regulations will drop into the ocean when the san andreas finally works properly. A.. I forgot... they are now so broke they have regulated themselves out of existence already, just haven't faced up to the reason why there has been a mass exodus of companies and people all who pay taxes. Which has been followed by Fed gov. It makes me so mad, I'm gonna peel out in my cheby volt... ohhh... it won't... On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 5:35 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I took a taxi ride in a Pious in Granada, it sorta makes sense in the hilly towns. There were a lot of those things (hilly towns and Piouses) around. I noticed when we were in it that a couple of people nearly stepped out in front of it as they did not hear it coming at them. I thought that only happened to me when I was on my bike. None of the diesels (at least the newer ones) I saw had any smoke or smell, the exhaust on our car had no odor at all. One diesel Benz that was parked next to my car at some place had a slight vinegary odor to it, which the fuel also had, but other than that was not noticeable at all. I don't quite understand the Collyfawnya issues with these vehicles, must be some invisible something or other. --R On 7/13/11 11:29 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: We just get stuck with lame ass priuses here. God forbid we Americans embrace a fuel efficient diesel. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2011, at 10:49 PM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79TD300@** constructivity.net richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Did a little road trip around Spain and Portugal the last few days. Rented a Peugeot 508 diesel wagon (had 8km on it when Avis gave it to me) 6spd which was a very nice car and quite roomy. Very nice nav system and graphics built in (I took a Tomtom with Iberian maps, but ended up relying on the Spanish-speaking nav system we called Peugie). 4 people and lots of luggage. 2 tanks of fuel in about 9 days of driving, nearly a 1000mi I think, could have been more I will have to look at the receipt. Most every car I saw was a diesel, including lots of Benzes of all sizes from A to S, including some very nice CLS320CDIs and S320CDIs (drool!). Maybe 15% were gassers. Lots of beemers and jap cars too, all diesels. Diesel fuel was the cheapest at about e1.40/ltr give or take, gas another 10-20cents more. Filling the tank was over e70 (ouch). I got pretty good at the manual tranny in some VERY challenging streets in the VERY old hill towns but at one point the clutch was stinking pretty badly (FIIAR). I still wonder why we can't get all these great cars here in the US -- the wagon was getting about 40mpg on the road (if my calculations were close) at 120kph on the Autovia freeways. I want one of those big diesel Benzes. ---R __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I was in Abilene, TX Sun-Wed, had a Dodge Avenger. What a horrible cheap feeling POS. Massive throttle lag when you really stomp on it plus massive transmission lag almost got me killed on a couple occasions where my 190D would have been much faster off the line. The AC could barely keep up at 95F, never mind the daytime high of 106F... ~22mpg, abysmal, its not a very big car. Why didn't we let Chrysler die? -Curt Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:49:40 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Back in the US of A Message-ID: 4e1e5944.2010...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Did a little road trip around Spain and Portugal the last few days. Rented a Peugeot 508 diesel wagon (had 8km on it when Avis gave it to me) 6spd which was a very nice car and quite roomy. Very nice nav system and graphics built in (I took a Tomtom with Iberian maps, but ended up relying on the Spanish-speaking nav system we called Peugie). 4 people and lots of luggage. 2 tanks of fuel in about 9 days of driving, nearly a 1000mi I think, could have been more I will have to look at the receipt. Most every car I saw was a diesel, including lots of Benzes of all sizes from A to S, including some very nice CLS320CDIs and S320CDIs (drool!). Maybe 15% were gassers. Lots of beemers and jap cars too, all diesels. Diesel fuel was the cheapest at about e1.40/ltr give or take, gas another 10-20cents more. Filling the tank was over e70 (ouch). I got pretty good at the manual tranny in some VERY challenging streets in the VERY old hill towns but at one point the clutch was stinking pretty badly (FIIAR). I still wonder why we can't get all these great cars here in the US -- the wagon was getting about 40mpg on the road (if my calculations were close) at 120kph on the Autovia freeways. I want one of those big diesel Benzes. ---R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Good times, enjoying a beautiful country while driving something new and different. last trip to Italy we had a BMW diesel wagon, my nephew-in-law drives an Alfa Romeo diesel sedan. We won't see anything like those until the market demands it. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Did a little road trip around Spain and Portugal the last few days. Rented a Peugeot 508 diesel wagon (had 8km on it when Avis gave it to me) 6spd which was a very nice car and quite roomy. Very nice nav system and graphics built in (I took a Tomtom with Iberian maps, but ended up relying on the Spanish-speaking nav system we called Peugie). 4 people and lots of luggage. 2 tanks of fuel in about 9 days of driving, nearly a 1000mi I think, could have been more I will have to look at the receipt. Most every car I saw was a diesel, including lots of Benzes of all sizes from A to S, including some very nice CLS320CDIs and S320CDIs (drool!). Maybe 15% were gassers. Lots of beemers and jap cars too, all diesels. Diesel fuel was the cheapest at about e1.40/ltr give or take, gas another 10-20cents more. Filling the tank was over e70 (ouch). I got pretty good at the manual tranny in some VERY challenging streets in the VERY old hill towns but at one point the clutch was stinking pretty badly (FIIAR). I still wonder why we can't get all these great cars here in the US -- the wagon was getting about 40mpg on the road (if my calculations were close) at 120kph on the Autovia freeways. I want one of those big diesel Benzes. ---R _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Strange comment as I had a 2005 E320CDI registered in CA for 5 years. Sent from my iPad On Jul 14, 2011, at 6:02 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Probably. The thing is, you can buy a 320CDI in an R, ML and a GL, why not everything else? And the smaller diesel engines too, which I presume act about the same as the 320CDI. Probably some sort of marketing thing, maybe some emissions testing/validation issues too. --R On 7/14/11 8:51 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: It's because someone in CA saw a fully-laden double-tandem semi belching coal, and got all huffy. Walt On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: None of the diesels (at least the newer ones) I saw had any smoke or smell, the exhaust on our car had no odor at all. One diesel Benz that was parked next to my car at some place had a slight vinegary odor to it, which the fuel also had, but other than that was not noticeable at all. I don't quite understand the Collyfawnya issues with these vehicles, must be some invisible something or other. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sure we have some diesels here but the selection is extremely limited. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2011, at 6:00 PM, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Strange comment as I had a 2005 E320CDI registered in CA for 5 years. Sent from my iPad On Jul 14, 2011, at 6:02 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Probably. The thing is, you can buy a 320CDI in an R, ML and a GL, why not everything else? And the smaller diesel engines too, which I presume act about the same as the 320CDI. Probably some sort of marketing thing, maybe some emissions testing/validation issues too. --R On 7/14/11 8:51 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: It's because someone in CA saw a fully-laden double-tandem semi belching coal, and got all huffy. Walt On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: None of the diesels (at least the newer ones) I saw had any smoke or smell, the exhaust on our car had no odor at all. One diesel Benz that was parked next to my car at some place had a slight vinegary odor to it, which the fuel also had, but other than that was not noticeable at all. I don't quite understand the Collyfawnya issues with these vehicles, must be some invisible something or other. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Did a little road trip around Spain and Portugal the last few days. Rented a Peugeot 508 diesel wagon (had 8km on it when Avis gave it to me) 6spd which was a very nice car and quite roomy. Very nice nav system and graphics built in (I took a Tomtom with Iberian maps, but ended up relying on the Spanish-speaking nav system we called Peugie). 4 people and lots of luggage. 2 tanks of fuel in about 9 days of driving, nearly a 1000mi I think, could have been more I will have to look at the receipt. Most every car I saw was a diesel, including lots of Benzes of all sizes from A to S, including some very nice CLS320CDIs and S320CDIs (drool!). Maybe 15% were gassers. Lots of beemers and jap cars too, all diesels. Diesel fuel was the cheapest at about e1.40/ltr give or take, gas another 10-20cents more. Filling the tank was over e70 (ouch). I got pretty good at the manual tranny in some VERY challenging streets in the VERY old hill towns but at one point the clutch was stinking pretty badly (FIIAR). I still wonder why we can't get all these great cars here in the US -- the wagon was getting about 40mpg on the road (if my calculations were close) at 120kph on the Autovia freeways. I want one of those big diesel Benzes. ---R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: I still wonder why we can't get all these great cars here in the US -- One word: California -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We just get stuck with lame ass priuses here. God forbid we Americans embrace a fuel efficient diesel. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2011, at 10:49 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Did a little road trip around Spain and Portugal the last few days. Rented a Peugeot 508 diesel wagon (had 8km on it when Avis gave it to me) 6spd which was a very nice car and quite roomy. Very nice nav system and graphics built in (I took a Tomtom with Iberian maps, but ended up relying on the Spanish-speaking nav system we called Peugie). 4 people and lots of luggage. 2 tanks of fuel in about 9 days of driving, nearly a 1000mi I think, could have been more I will have to look at the receipt. Most every car I saw was a diesel, including lots of Benzes of all sizes from A to S, including some very nice CLS320CDIs and S320CDIs (drool!). Maybe 15% were gassers. Lots of beemers and jap cars too, all diesels. Diesel fuel was the cheapest at about e1.40/ltr give or take, gas another 10-20cents more. Filling the tank was over e70 (ouch). I got pretty good at the manual tranny in some VERY challenging streets in the VERY old hill towns but at one point the clutch was stinking pretty badly (FIIAR). I still wonder why we can't get all these great cars here in the US -- the wagon was getting about 40mpg on the road (if my calculations were close) at 120kph on the Autovia freeways. I want one of those big diesel Benzes. ---R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So should we hope for a mega earthquake in ca. The state will sink and we can get our cars! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: I still wonder why we can't get all these great cars here in the US -- One word: California -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So true. Ridiculous I say. I love my diesels now, imagine if they got real mileage like the Europeans cars do. Mike On Jul 13, 2011 11:29 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: We just get stuck with lame ass priuses here. God forbid we Americans embrace a fuel efficient diesel. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2011, at 10:49 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Did a little road trip around Spain and Portugal the last few days. Rented a Peugeot 508 diesel wagon (had 8km on it when Avis gave it to me) 6spd which was a very nice car and quite roomy. Very nice nav system and graphics built in (I took a Tomtom with Iberian maps, but ended up relying on the Spanish-speaking nav system we called Peugie). 4 people and lots of luggage. 2 tanks of fuel in about 9 days of driving, nearly a 1000mi I think, could have been more I will have to look at the receipt. Most every car I saw was a diesel, including lots of Benzes of all sizes from A to S, including some very nice CLS320CDIs and S320CDIs (drool!). Maybe 15% were gassers. Lots of beemers and jap cars too, all diesels. Diesel fuel was the cheapest at about e1.40/ltr give or take, gas another 10-20cents more. Filling the tank was over e70 (ouch). I got pretty good at the manual tranny in some VERY challenging streets in the VERY old hill towns but at one point the clutch was stinking pretty badly (FIIAR). I still wonder why we can't get all these great cars here in the US -- the wagon was getting about 40mpg on the road (if my calculations were close) at 120kph on the Autovia freeways. I want one of those big diesel Benzes. ---R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
