Re: [MBZ] OT: Compressed air storage
She gave a speech (more like an 8th grader reading a report to the class) that was incredibly annoying. I couldn't even understand what she was saying, the delivery was so bad. She should just do a Max Headroom and have a computer monitor read whatever it is she might want to say to the selected audiences. She was known to my wife's cousin's family as Lardass when she visited them. My FIL used to laugh about that. I think the cousin is Terry McAuliffe, now gubnah of VA, but might have been another one (big Irish family) who knew her before Bill. --R On 6/24/15 5:01 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote: ...queen hillary holds the record for production... I don't know how you can say that; she hardly says anything these days. Rather than speak and expose her statements to the analysis of (the few remaining) critical thinkers, she prefers to run on her record...or at least her plumbing structure. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 1:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: G Mann Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Compressed air storage I hate to poke a hole in your new found love of compressed air, but... queen hillary holds the record for production, now if we can just find a storage facility... Ft. Leavenworth Federal should work nicely... Gotta run.. I'm late for the shareholders meeting for Uranium Mines... On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The Republican debates, including the Plan B debacle for junior varsity (not-ready-for-prime-time) candidates, would be a great way to test that concept. The hot air emanating from these bloviators would generate awesome pressure and take forever to cool. On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 3:39 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew wrote: I used to think this was an elaborate hoax. Now I am leading in the other direction (non-hoax). Canadian-based company NRStor Inc. set its sights on solving the complicated and critical problem of energy storage with technology that would compress air and store it in salt caverns to backup the grid when the wind isn't blowing. Interesting idea. I think if there is a hill that pumping water to the top will probably have less losses. One issue with compressed gas is the act of compressing it makes it hot, and for long term storage that heat will be lost. The greater the pressure, the greater the heat and the greater the loss. If they have figured out a way to effectively use low-pressure air to generate electricity, it might work out really good. But if it's just a turbine, high pressure makes the turbine more effective, so there will be a compromise either way. Short term storage - as in day vs night - the heat could be retained and then the system looks pretty good. Except for the explosion dangers. -- Philip, speaking before reading up on the details ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Compressed air storage
I also was thinking of the heat of compression, and that storing it in caves would cool it considerably, but then read NRStor is joining up with Massachusetts-based General Compression Inc., which developed a compressed-air technology that uses heat exchangers in a so-called near-isothermal process instead of fuel. There have to be losses in the heat exchange process, and to what are the pumping the heat? I guess if they heat water high enough with the heat, they could use it to drive turbines as well. My geothermal heat pump heats the water heater with excess heat in the summer, I guess they could do the same. I do think that using gravity to store the excess energy via pumping it up hill, and letting it run down through a turbine would be better though. On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:39 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Interesting idea. I think if there is a hill that pumping water to the top will probably have less losses. One issue with compressed gas is the act of compressing it makes it hot, and for long term storage that heat will be lost. The greater the pressure, the greater the heat and the greater the loss. If they have figured out a way to effectively use low-pressure air to generate electricity, it might work out really good. But if it's just a turbine, high pressure makes the turbine more effective, so there will be a compromise either way. Short term storage - as in day vs night - the heat could be retained and then the system looks pretty good. Except for the explosion dangers. -- Philip, speaking before reading up on the details -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Compressed air storage
In the interest of trying not to inflame anyone s passions I will withhold any caustic comments and just ask a compound question. In another segment of life, I was task with extraction of useful information from prisoners. It is a given that they lie, so the pattern of interrogation always followed that the questions would follow the lies which always became compound in depth and scope, ie layers of lies... sooner or later, the interrogated individual would reach a realization that they were trapped, with no way out, and that I had revealed their first set of lies through investigation of the second and third set of lies [these sessions had no time limit]. Always at that point, there was a physical tell [skilled people in the business knew what to look for] that would then be followed by clamming up. Then followed by attempts to coverup the previous sets of lies... ie the devil made me do it. This silent period was always the key point in interrogation, because suddenly, the trap of their own making had slammed on them and there was a degree of panic, knowing the jig was up.. Any new story would cause incrimination, and revelation of events and guilt. Is Hillary in that place about now? Does anything she may say serve to illuminate the untruths that make up her past actions?.. Did destruction of the file server and emails break the law? Did she sell influence to foreign persons while holding Sec of State office? How involved was she in the sale of Uranium mining [a DOD controlled substance] to foreign nationals while holding public office? Did the Clinton Foundation launder foreign funds? Should she be held accountable and investigated? Or What difference does it make now? On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: ...queen hillary holds the record for production... I don't know how you can say that; she hardly says anything these days. Rather than speak and expose her statements to the analysis of (the few remaining) critical thinkers, she prefers to run on her record...or at least her plumbing structure. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 1:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: G Mann Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Compressed air storage I hate to poke a hole in your new found love of compressed air, but... queen hillary holds the record for production, now if we can just find a storage facility... Ft. Leavenworth Federal should work nicely... Gotta run.. I'm late for the shareholders meeting for Uranium Mines... On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The Republican debates, including the Plan B debacle for junior varsity (not-ready-for-prime-time) candidates, would be a great way to test that concept. The hot air emanating from these bloviators would generate awesome pressure and take forever to cool. On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 3:39 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew wrote: I used to think this was an elaborate hoax. Now I am leading in the other direction (non-hoax). Canadian-based company NRStor Inc. set its sights on solving the complicated and critical problem of energy storage with technology that would compress air and store it in salt caverns to backup the grid when the wind isn't blowing. Interesting idea. I think if there is a hill that pumping water to the top will probably have less losses. One issue with compressed gas is the act of compressing it makes it hot, and for long term storage that heat will be lost. The greater the pressure, the greater the heat and the greater the loss. If they have figured out a way to effectively use low-pressure air to generate electricity, it might work out really good. But if it's just a turbine, high pressure makes the turbine more effective, so there will be a compromise either way. Short term storage - as in day vs night - the heat could be retained and then the system looks pretty good. Except for the explosion dangers. -- Philip, speaking before reading up on the details ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http
Re: [MBZ] OT: Compressed air storage
The Republican debates, including the Plan B debacle for junior varsity (not-ready-for-prime-time) candidates, would be a great way to test that concept. The hot air emanating from these bloviators would generate awesome pressure and take forever to cool. On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 3:39 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew wrote: I used to think this was an elaborate hoax. Now I am leading in the other direction (non-hoax). Canadian-based company NRStor Inc. set its sights on solving the complicated and critical problem of energy storage with technology that would compress air and store it in salt caverns to backup the grid when the wind isn't blowing. Interesting idea. I think if there is a hill that pumping water to the top will probably have less losses. One issue with compressed gas is the act of compressing it makes it hot, and for long term storage that heat will be lost. The greater the pressure, the greater the heat and the greater the loss. If they have figured out a way to effectively use low-pressure air to generate electricity, it might work out really good. But if it's just a turbine, high pressure makes the turbine more effective, so there will be a compromise either way. Short term storage - as in day vs night - the heat could be retained and then the system looks pretty good. Except for the explosion dangers. -- Philip, speaking before reading up on the details ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
