Re: [MBZ] OT: Smoky VW diesel when cold
One of my most embarrassing moments: having our disabled (due to gelled fuel) W115 300D towed into a very busy mall service station so it could warm up. On 2/3/06, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Curt Raymond wrote: > > Hey Johnny, > > > > Have you ever tried the Powerservice 911, the stuff in the red bottle? > It purports "Reliquefies gelled fuel in minutes - no tow truck needed " I'm > curious how that would work, like if you've got gelled fuel in the filter > how does the stuff get there? > > They've got a great animation on their website www.powerservice.comthat > > shows a test tube demo but its not like you can pick up and shake your > car... > > Once the fuel turns solid, allowing it to warm up is the only reliable > solution - just like Johnny B. says. The stuff in the red bottle doesn't > do much good if you can't move it throughout the entire fuel system > and for that, the fuel HAS to flow. > > Marshall > -- > Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) > "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] > '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 > turbo 237kmi > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
Re: [MBZ] OT: Smoky VW diesel when cold
Curt Raymond wrote: Hey Johnny, Have you ever tried the Powerservice 911, the stuff in the red bottle? It purports "Reliquefies gelled fuel in minutes - no tow truck needed " I'm curious how that would work, like if you've got gelled fuel in the filter how does the stuff get there? They've got a great animation on their website www.powerservice.com that shows a test tube demo but its not like you can pick up and shake your car... Once the fuel turns solid, allowing it to warm up is the only reliable solution - just like Johnny B. says. The stuff in the red bottle doesn't do much good if you can't move it throughout the entire fuel system and for that, the fuel HAS to flow. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] OT: Smoky VW diesel when cold
Hey Johnny, Have you ever tried the Powerservice 911, the stuff in the red bottle? It purports "Reliquefies gelled fuel in minutes - no tow truck needed " I'm curious how that would work, like if you've got gelled fuel in the filter how does the stuff get there? They've got a great animation on their website www.powerservice.com that shows a test tube demo but its not like you can pick up and shake your car... -Curt Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:29:19 -0500 From: John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Smoky VW diesel when cold To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I've had trouble with sitting cars starting in dead cold when they were last fueled prior to winterized fuel season. I let a couple of cars wait until spring before starting them one year. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am - Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Feb 03 15:59:48 2006 Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([207.69.195.71]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F53Lg-0005pZ-8G for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:59:48 + Received: from user-10mt01r.cable.mindspring.com ([65.110.128.59] helo=earthlink.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F53Le-bM-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:59:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:59:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Smoky VW diesel when cold X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:59:48 - On Friday, February 3, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > Hey Johnny, > > Have you ever tried the Powerservice 911, the stuff in the red > bottle? It purports "Reliquefies gelled fuel in minutes - no tow truck > needed " I'm curious how that would work, like if you've got gelled > fuel in the filter how does the stuff get there? > They've got a great animation on their website www.powerservice.com > that shows a test tube demo but its not like you can pick up and shake > your car... > > -Curt > I've used it for algae/h2o but without enough heat the fuel will not flow, so the cure can't get to the problem. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] OT: Smoky VW diesel when cold
On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 03:43:03 -0600 Robert & Tara Ludwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Real common for VW diesels to get sticky rings, especially if you are > getting oil smell in the exhaust.Compression will drop and get hard to > start and act just as you describe. > Best thing I've found is Auto RX to clean them out ( www.auto-rx.com ) > costy but it really works. Liqui Moly sells a cleaner called Oil Schlamm > spulung that does a fair job but doesn't get it all. How about changing to Mobil 1 and driving it like you stole it? Craig
Re: [MBZ] OT: Smoky VW diesel when cold
Real common for VW diesels to get sticky rings, especially if you are getting oil smell in the exhaust.Compression will drop and get hard to start and act just as you describe. Best thing I've found is Auto RX to clean them out ( www.auto-rx.com ) costy but it really works. Liqui Moly sells a cleaner called Oil Schlamm spulung that does a fair job but doesn't get it all. Robert Dave M. wrote: Hi all, My 1981 VW Dasher diesel (1.5L, mechanical lifters) has been getting crankier on cold starts lately. I did a valve adjustment a few months ago to get things in spec so that shouldn't be a problem. Power and MPG is normal (42-45mpg). It's just the cold starts that are a problem. When the car sits overnight, I'll do 2-3 glow cycles when it's cold (30-40F), and I have a rudimentary 'afterglow' setup as well. But when I start it, it runs quite rough, and smokes terribly for a good 10-15 seconds. I need to keep my foot halfway down to keep it running at all until it smooths out. And for the first 30-45 seconds, it may even misfire at times. The afterglow doesn't change things, it acts the same with or with the plugs on when cold. The smoke is blueish/whitish, and smells of both engine oil and fuel, so I can't pin down what the cause is. Warm starts are fine, glow plugs are all good and verified with ohmmeter AND current draw test, and the car doesn't smoke significantly when warm. Any ideas? :-( -- Dave M. Boise, ID 1994 E500 - 95kmi (Q-ship) 1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] OT: Smoky VW diesel when cold
My 240D acts similar but with the temp shifted down to 18-25F. Cranks a little more than I'd like and then I have to keep my foot into it for 10-15 seconds to get good idle. It'd stay running even without my pressing on the pedal but it'd lope and spit. In the past I've had these symptoms and changed the oil (just routine maintenance) and had them go away. With the coming of the 190D (soon, my wife's been sick) I'd rather not spend any money (probably change it to dino before I sell it. I know, I'm such bad person) so I've been stretching the change interval since it consumes alot of oil (5 or 6 quarts in 6,000 miles) I figure its probably consuming the contaminents too. At any rate I'm probably only just over the change interval. I usually change at 6,000 it might be around 6500. So anyway I figure Hammie needs a new battery, the one in it is at least 3 years old, probably more like 4 1/2 and has been discharged several times. The plan is once I get the 190D back to put a new battery in it and keep the better of the two old ones for the 240D. The one currently in the 190D is rated higher (1000cca vs 900cca) but I want to test them to see first. The 190D seems to spin quicker but I'm wondering if thats mostly because of the different engine. -Curt '83 240D "Hammie" 253kmi '85 190D "Dory" 233kmi Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:21:03 -0700 From: "Dave M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [MBZ] OT: Smoky VW diesel when cold To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Joe Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi all, My 1981 VW Dasher diesel (1.5L, mechanical lifters) has been getting crankier on cold starts lately. I did a valve adjustment a few months ago to get things in spec so that shouldn't be a problem. Power and MPG is normal (42-45mpg). It's just the cold starts that are a problem. When the car sits overnight, I'll do 2-3 glow cycles when it's cold (30-40F), and I have a rudimentary 'afterglow' setup as well. But when I start it, it runs quite rough, and smokes terribly for a good 10-15 seconds. I need to keep my foot halfway down to keep it running at all until it smooths out. And for the first 30-45 seconds, it may even misfire at times. The afterglow doesn't change things, it acts the same with or with the plugs on when cold. The smoke is blueish/whitish, and smells of both engine oil and fuel, so I can't pin down what the cause is. Warm starts are fine, glow plugs are all good and verified with ohmmeter AND current draw test, and the car doesn't smoke significantly when warm. Any ideas? :-( -- Dave M. Boise, ID 1994 E500 - 95kmi (Q-ship) 1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline) - Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 02 01:51:19 2006 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com ([66.249.82.198]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4Tcx-0008F0-EK for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 01:51:17 + Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s11so242839wxc for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:51:13 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XxQvD8Yf7mcauEIzTmfsWTbM+EsxnGzLmcJ2yhP74A03lUTwrp4pY2gUNGtXtSwE9AoTkVhHJjFkOlRcB5LSvwYphd3tuWQOJS+8pAeiYhZiKEYMJam+g9sbkpwn24VqmyrAumVcPOIA7V7Gm4MacOsczdfPRU2ASfLdy6L0yvg= Received: by 10.70.61.8 with SMTP id j8mr270247wxa; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:51:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.123.14 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:51:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:51:13 -0600 From: OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] W126 Repair and PM kit X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscr
Re: [MBZ] OT: Smoky VW diesel when cold
Testing for air leaks on a VW is pretty easy if you have a loose electric fuel pump. Put the Fuel pump in the line between the tank and the filter. Hook up the power to a switched circuit. Let the pump run until the fuel pressures up (usually about the same time as it takes to glow) then start. The VW does not have a transfer pump. Anything that allows air into the fuel system causes first the hard to start/smoking symptom, then progresses to crank it for 2-3 minutes on cold start, then it sputters and smokes symptom on cold starts. Rubber parts or steel tubes with pinhole leaks will allow AIR IN before they will get wet or show fuel leakage. (Difference in molecule size.) The alternative is to carefully replace all rubber parts and see if it helps. If so, you are done. If not, then you replace the steel lines. At 02:21 PM 2/1/2006, you wrote: Hi all, My 1981 VW Dasher diesel (1.5L, mechanical lifters) has been getting crankier on cold starts lately. I did a valve adjustment a few months ago to get things in spec so that shouldn't be a problem. Power and MPG is normal (42-45mpg). It's just the cold starts that are a problem. When the car sits overnight, I'll do 2-3 glow cycles when it's cold (30-40F), and I have a rudimentary 'afterglow' setup as well. But when I start it, it runs quite rough, and smokes terribly for a good 10-15 seconds. I need to keep my foot halfway down to keep it running at all until it smooths out. And for the first 30-45 seconds, it may even misfire at times. The afterglow doesn't change things, it acts the same with or with the plugs on when cold. The smoke is blueish/whitish, and smells of both engine oil and fuel, so I can't pin down what the cause is. Warm starts are fine, glow plugs are all good and verified with ohmmeter AND current draw test, and the car doesn't smoke significantly when warm. Any ideas? :-( -- Dave M. Boise, ID 1994 E500 - 95kmi (Q-ship) 1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT: Smoky VW diesel when cold
I am having difficulty starting the Quantum the last couple of days. I think it is due to a leaking fuel return line at the tank -- letting air into the system. You don't have an air leak anywhere, do you? On 2/1/06, John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 03:21 PM, Dave M. wrote: > > > Any ideas? > > > > :-( > > > > Maybe a leaky injector. Does it feel like compression is up to > snuff? > > Johnny B. > I Mac Therefore I am > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] OT: Smoky VW diesel when cold
On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 03:21 PM, Dave M. wrote: Any ideas? :-( Maybe a leaky injector. Does it feel like compression is up to snuff? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
[MBZ] OT: Smoky VW diesel when cold
Hi all, My 1981 VW Dasher diesel (1.5L, mechanical lifters) has been getting crankier on cold starts lately. I did a valve adjustment a few months ago to get things in spec so that shouldn't be a problem. Power and MPG is normal (42-45mpg). It's just the cold starts that are a problem. When the car sits overnight, I'll do 2-3 glow cycles when it's cold (30-40F), and I have a rudimentary 'afterglow' setup as well. But when I start it, it runs quite rough, and smokes terribly for a good 10-15 seconds. I need to keep my foot halfway down to keep it running at all until it smooths out. And for the first 30-45 seconds, it may even misfire at times. The afterglow doesn't change things, it acts the same with or with the plugs on when cold. The smoke is blueish/whitish, and smells of both engine oil and fuel, so I can't pin down what the cause is. Warm starts are fine, glow plugs are all good and verified with ohmmeter AND current draw test, and the car doesn't smoke significantly when warm. Any ideas? :-( -- Dave M. Boise, ID 1994 E500 - 95kmi (Q-ship) 1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline)
