[MBZ] OT An interesting way to kill yourself -- 2012 Motooka j/gl lakester land speed racer, $40, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/872814197613681

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[MBZ] OT This interesting -- urfkwakes

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/2017/06/16/theres-strange-reason-all-those-quakes-near-harrison/403563001/


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Re: [MBZ] OT: An interesting pattern of earthquakes in, Oklahoma and Kansas (this time WITH picture)

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I had 4 parked here these last few days, I heard some rumblings the last 
coupla nights


--JC


On 7/5/16 7:53 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:

Can't be me. I only have 6 of those MBs here.

Manfred


Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 17:04:53 -0500
From: Randy Bennell 

I hear there is another fault being generated in Florida.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT: An interesting pattern of earthquakes in, Oklahoma and Kansas (this time WITH picture)

[MG via Mercedes]

Can't be me. I only have 6 of those MBs here.

Manfred


Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 17:04:53 -0500
From: Randy Bennell 

I hear there is another fault being generated in Florida.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT: An interesting pattern of earthquakes in Oklahoma and Kansas (this time WITH picture)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

More than you could ever imagine….

Dan


> On Jul 5, 2016, at 6:04 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I hear there is another fault being generated in Florida.
> 
> RB
> 
> On 05/07/2016 5:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> That’s the Snook/Striplin Fault Line.  It runs from Wichita to northeast OK 
>> and it’s caused by a large concentration of older Mercedes vehicles 
>> accreting in the area.
>> 
>> Dan OkieList Resident Geologist
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 5, 2016, at 5:04 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I saw this on http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map and thought it
>>> was very interesting.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT: An interesting pattern of earthquakes in Oklahoma and Kansas (this time WITH picture)

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 18:01:21 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> That’s the Snook/Striplin Fault Line.  It runs from Wichita to
> northeast OK and it’s caused by a large concentration of older Mercedes
> vehicles accreting in the area.
> 
> Dan OkieList Resident Geologist

AHA! So that's how it works!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: An interesting pattern of earthquakes in Oklahoma and Kansas (this time WITH picture)

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I hear there is another fault being generated in Florida.

RB

On 05/07/2016 5:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

That’s the Snook/Striplin Fault Line.  It runs from Wichita to northeast OK and 
it’s caused by a large concentration of older Mercedes vehicles accreting in 
the area.

Dan OkieList Resident Geologist





On Jul 5, 2016, at 5:04 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:

I saw this on http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map and thought it
was very interesting.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: An interesting pattern of earthquakes in Oklahoma and Kansas (this time WITH picture)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s the Snook/Striplin Fault Line.  It runs from Wichita to northeast OK and 
it’s caused by a large concentration of older Mercedes vehicles accreting in 
the area.

Dan OkieList Resident Geologist




> On Jul 5, 2016, at 5:04 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I saw this on http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map and thought it
> was very interesting.
> 
> 
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[MBZ] OT: An interesting pattern of earthquakes in Oklahoma and Kansas

[Craig via Mercedes]

I saw this on http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map and thought it
was very interesting.



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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:10:59 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 This is something I picked off of another list that I read. Thought you 
 folks might enjoy it too.
   
 http://yarchive.net/home.html

Since it's all text, there's a lot of reading in little volume.

You can download the sections at http://yarchive.net/downloads/

The aircraft tar/bzip2 archive, for example, is 492 kB.
The very large cars section is 3.4 MB.


Craig

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[MBZ] OT but interesting

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

This is something I picked off of another list that I read. Thought you 
folks might enjoy it too.


RB


I have had the below link bookmarked for years. From what I can gather 
Norman had many varied interests and he spent the time to save 
interesting stuff and put it up on line. When you read this you shall 
see stuff that is dated 1998 and maybe earlier that was posted on the 
Internet. Quite a bit in the metal working section. It's 11* and to cold 
for my shop so I read some. Hope you enjoy

http://yarchive.net/home.html


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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting zombie hunter

[Hendrik and Fay]

I be thinking young Spencer and his new 'toy' will get rid of those 
nasty zombie types in a jiffy.


Hendrik
who just got the cent a meter working, or as I like to call it, the 
worry meter which is telling me that we're using 1.22kw and it is 20.1 
degrees C with a humidity of 64 at my computer


On 23/09/13 03:56, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Ok so a stupid question for Wilton, but very important I suppose. So 
say we were having a Q somewhere and a zombie outbreak happens. There 
is a B52 or similar near by.  Our only escape is for Wilton to fly us 
out of there.  Can you fire it up and fly us out?  Or are we all 
zombie food?  Maybe Ok Don can be the co pilot.


On 9/22/2013 12:18 PM, OK Don wrote:

Excellent article, as usual. Thanks for sharing it with us.


On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 9:55 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


Here's the straight poop.  A piece I did for briefing a Kiwanis group
several months ago.




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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting wings falling off planes with nasty stuff aboard

[Hendrik and Fay]

Yeah but you're gonna have people perhaps wanting to dig that nasty 
stuff up to do bad things.

I am actually wondering why the wing fell off the plane, fatigue?

Hendrik
who might need something a bit bigger than his little machines to go digging

On 23/09/13 13:01, WILTON wrote:
Oh, in reference to Snowden:  I haven't revealed anything that's 
classified.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 11:16 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT but interesting


Journalists and wannabe journalists enjoy bringing the subject up 
every few
years and touting it each time as a new, story spiced with 
sensationalism.
Many of them tend to fill in any gaps in their new knowledge about 
the subject
with imagination or what they may have seen in some fictitious movie, 
such
as Strangelove and others.  The facts of the accident are what they 
are,
and physics is physics.  All (the number easily available for 
counting in
the official Sandia report) of the switches, except those in bomb #2 
that

were precluded by other physical factors, worked mechanically and
electrically as designed and built.
Oh, it was a terrible aircraft and nuclear accident, alright, but the 
bombs worked exactly as they were designed to work.


Wilton





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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[Rick Knoble]

On Sep 22, 2013, at 10:32 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Oh, in reference to Snowden:  I haven't revealed anything that's classified.


Do you have knowledge of the event that IS classified?

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[Curt Raymond]

Do they know what caused the plane to break up?

-Curt

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 10:55:32 -0400
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] OT but interesting
Message-ID: 8360FBE8F5784F8CA39F435EB7810FFC@wiltonPC
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
reply-type=response

Here's the straight poop.  A piece I did for briefing a Kiwanis group 
several months ago.

GOLDSBORO BROKEN ARROW
By Wilton Strickland
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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[Rich Thomas]

W -- your story would be great to submit to our local paper -- they had 
a small article playing off the UK report so it would be an interesting 
follow-up and they like to do that stuff.  If you would like, I can 
forward your write-up to a reporter I know, she could figure out what to 
do with it.  I'm sure they might like to run something as it is sorta of 
local interest.


--R


On 9/22/13 11:16 PM, WILTON wrote:
Journalists and wannabe journalists enjoy bringing the subject up 
every few
years and touting it each time as a new, story spiced with 
sensationalism.
Many of them tend to fill in any gaps in their new knowledge about 
the subject
with imagination or what they may have seen in some fictitious movie, 
such
as Strangelove and others.  The facts of the accident are what they 
are,

and physics is physics.  All (the number easily available for counting in
the official Sandia report) of the switches, except those in bomb #2 that
were precluded by other physical factors, worked mechanically and
electrically as designed and built.
Oh, it was a terrible aircraft and nuclear accident, alright, but the 
bombs worked exactly as they were designed to work.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting



Another comment.
Perhaps you should gain a bit more notoriety and submit this article
to The Guardian so some correct press is gained about this incident.
You could become the Edward Snowden of nuke accidents... if this is
considered a nuke accident?  I suspect you do not consider this as
accident, merely excellent design?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[WILTON]

Yes; certain procedures and limiting factors on employment.  'Course, the 
LATEST I know anything about is at least 32 years old, so probably not worth 
much.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting



On Sep 22, 2013, at 10:32 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Oh, in reference to Snowden:  I haven't revealed anything that's 
classified.



Do you have knowledge of the event that IS classified?

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[WILTON]

Fatigue cracks near right wing root and possible design deficiency as part 
of going from bladder fuel tanks in older models to wet wing fuel tanks in 
the G model - fuel stored directly on inside of the structure.
An effort to make the airplane lighter.  Because of this, we were restricted 
to 270 knots IAS at low altitude for several years until they could get 
modifications done to all of the aircraft.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com

To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting



Do they know what caused the plane to break up?

-Curt

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 10:55:32 -0400
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] OT but interesting
Message-ID: 8360FBE8F5784F8CA39F435EB7810FFC@wiltonPC
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
reply-type=response

Here's the straight poop.  A piece I did for briefing a Kiwanis group
several months ago.

GOLDSBORO BROKEN ARROW
By Wilton Strickland
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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[WILTON]

OK, forward if you like.  Thnks.
Oh, by local, you mean Goldsboro News-Argus or Raleigh News and Observer?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting


W -- your story would be great to submit to our local paper -- they had a 
small article playing off the UK report so it would be an interesting 
follow-up and they like to do that stuff.  If you would like, I can forward 
your write-up to a reporter I know, she could figure out what to do with 
it.  I'm sure they might like to run something as it is sorta of local 
interest.


--R


On 9/22/13 11:16 PM, WILTON wrote:
Journalists and wannabe journalists enjoy bringing the subject up every 
few
years and touting it each time as a new, story spiced with 
sensationalism.
Many of them tend to fill in any gaps in their new knowledge about the 
subject
with imagination or what they may have seen in some fictitious movie, 
such
as Strangelove and others.  The facts of the accident are what they 
are,

and physics is physics.  All (the number easily available for counting in
the official Sandia report) of the switches, except those in bomb #2 that
were precluded by other physical factors, worked mechanically and
electrically as designed and built.
Oh, it was a terrible aircraft and nuclear accident, alright, but the 
bombs worked exactly as they were designed to work.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting



Another comment.
Perhaps you should gain a bit more notoriety and submit this article
to The Guardian so some correct press is gained about this incident.
You could become the Edward Snowden of nuke accidents... if this is
considered a nuke accident?  I suspect you do not consider this as
accident, merely excellent design?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[Rich Thomas]

Charleston, SC Post  Courier.  They set up a new format and have a 
section now called The South so that would fit in well.


--R


On 9/23/13 9:08 AM, WILTON wrote:

OK, forward if you like.  Thnks.
Oh, by local, you mean Goldsboro News-Argus or Raleigh News and Observer?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting


W -- your story would be great to submit to our local paper -- they 
had a small article playing off the UK report so it would be an 
interesting follow-up and they like to do that stuff.  If you would 
like, I can forward your write-up to a reporter I know, she could 
figure out what to do with it.  I'm sure they might like to run 
something as it is sorta of local interest.


--R


On 9/22/13 11:16 PM, WILTON wrote:
Journalists and wannabe journalists enjoy bringing the subject up 
every few
years and touting it each time as a new, story spiced with 
sensationalism.
Many of them tend to fill in any gaps in their new knowledge about 
the subject
with imagination or what they may have seen in some fictitious 
movie, such
as Strangelove and others.  The facts of the accident are what 
they are,
and physics is physics.  All (the number easily available for 
counting in
the official Sandia report) of the switches, except those in bomb #2 
that

were precluded by other physical factors, worked mechanically and
electrically as designed and built.
Oh, it was a terrible aircraft and nuclear accident, alright, but 
the bombs worked exactly as they were designed to work.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Mountain Man 
maontin@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting



Another comment.
Perhaps you should gain a bit more notoriety and submit this article
to The Guardian so some correct press is gained about this incident.
You could become the Edward Snowden of nuke accidents... if this is
considered a nuke accident?  I suspect you do not consider this as
accident, merely excellent design?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting zombie hunter

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I think he will need more than a BB gun to get them

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On Sep 23, 2013, at 2:17 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote:

 I be thinking young Spencer and his new 'toy' will get rid of those nasty 
 zombie types in a jiffy.
 
 Hendrik
 who just got the cent a meter working, or as I like to call it, the worry 
 meter which is telling me that we're using 1.22kw and it is 20.1 degrees C 
 with a humidity of 64 at my computer
 
 On 23/09/13 03:56, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 Ok so a stupid question for Wilton, but very important I suppose. So say we 
 were having a Q somewhere and a zombie outbreak happens. There is a B52 or 
 similar near by.  Our only escape is for Wilton to fly us out of there.  Can 
 you fire it up and fly us out?  Or are we all zombie food?  Maybe Ok Don can 
 be the co pilot.
 
 On 9/22/2013 12:18 PM, OK Don wrote:
 Excellent article, as usual. Thanks for sharing it with us.
 
 
 On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 9:55 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 
 Here's the straight poop.  A piece I did for briefing a Kiwanis group
 several months ago.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[Randy Bennell]

On 23/09/2013 5:39 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:

On Sep 22, 2013, at 10:32 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


Oh, in reference to Snowden:  I haven't revealed anything that's classified.


Do you have knowledge of the event that IS classified?

Rick



If he told you, you know what he would have to do . . . . .

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[WILTON]

Yep.

Wilton

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From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting



On 23/09/2013 5:39 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:

On Sep 22, 2013, at 10:32 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Oh, in reference to Snowden:  I haven't revealed anything that's 
classified.


Do you have knowledge of the event that IS classified?

Rick



If he told you, you know what he would have to do . . . . .

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[Craig]

On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:01:03 -0500 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
wrote:

 Are there any pictures of a secondary - just to see that 1960's
 technology that has enabled a disaster to not turn in to a fiasco?

No.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[Mountain Man]

Craig wrote:
 Are there any pictures of a secondary...

 No.

Have you seen a secondary? - or would you need to kill okiebenz if
you say anything...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[Craig]

On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 17:10:52 -0500 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
wrote:

 Craig wrote:
  Are there any pictures of a secondary...
 
  No.
 
 Have you seen a secondary? - or would you need to kill okiebenz if
 you say anything...
 mao

It's probably best that I not say any more.


Craig

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[MBZ] OT but interesting

[WILTON]

Here's the straight poop.  A piece I did for briefing a Kiwanis group 
several months ago.


GOLDSBORO BROKEN ARROW
By Wilton Strickland

BROKEN ARROW - an accident with a nuclear weapon or component that does not 
pose threat of nuclear war.


For more than 40 years after WW II, The United States and The Soviet Union 
did not trust each other, and each felt certain that the other was about to 
attack.  Therefore, The US developed a policy of deterrence and Mutually 
Assured Destruction (MAD) - an attack by one would result in complete 
destruction of  both by an all-out nuclear exchange.


As a result of this deterrent policy, the US Air Force Strategic Air Command 
kept nuclear-armed long range bombers and intercontinental ballistic 
missiles on ground alert for 35 years ready to launch at a moment's notice 
and strike targets in the Soviet Union.  They also kept B-52's on airborne 
alert for at least 7 years (1961-'68), also loaded with nuclear weapons and 
ready to turn at a moment's notice and strike targets in the Soviet Union.


Seymour Johnson AFB, NC, (Goldsboro) of course, was deeply involved in all 
of this.  B-52's were on ground alert with nuclear weapons at Seymour 
Johnson for 23 years (1959 - '82), and crews at Seymour Johnson also flew 
many airborne alert missions, as did I from Robins AFB, GA.


One of these airborne alert missions began on the morning of Jan 23, 1961, 
when crew R-10 at Seymour Johnson took off on a B-52 on a 24-hour airborne 
alert mission with 2 MK 39 nuclear weapons aboard.  The crew was composed of 
the normal crew of 6 plus 2 extras.  The normal crew consisted of the pilot, 
co-pilot, electronic warfare officer (EW) and gunner in upward ejection 
seats on the upper deck and the radar-navigator/bombardier (RN) and 
navigator (Nav) in downward ejection seats on the lower deck.  One of the 
extra crew members was a wing staff electronic warfare officer sitting in 
the instructor navigator's (IN) seat, a non-ejection seat, on the lower deck 
5 feet or so behind the 2 navigators.  The other extra crewman was a third 
or relief pilot sitting in the instructor pilot's (IP) seat, a non-ejection 
seat immediately behind and slightly to the right of the pilot.  Planned 
bailout procedures call for crewmen not in ejection seats to proceed to the 
lower deck and jump or drop manually out through one of the navigators' open 
hatches after they have ejected.


The planned route for this mission was to track back and forth several times 
over the eastern third of the US.  This was the very early days of airborne 
alert, and the overseas routes had not yet been fully established.  About 3 
years later, I flew several 24-hour airborne alert missions from Warner 
Robins, GA, up across Greenland, across the North Pole and back and from 
Robins, out across the North Atlantic, across Spain, into the Mediterranean 
and back to Robins.


After about 10 hours into the mission by crew R-10 and during air refueling 
over SC, the tanker boom operator noticed fuel streaming from a gushing leak 
in the right wing a few feet outboard of the wing root.  They stopped 
refueling immediately, of course, and called their wing command post at 
Seymour Johnson, who also called the manufacturer, Boeing, for additional 
advice.


The crew was directed to proceed to a point about 10 NM off shore east of 
Wilmington to burn off fuel and await further instructions from Boeing.


After about 2 hours holding off Wilmington, the local wing commander 
directed the crew to proceed back to Seymour Johnson and land.


On approach to Seymour Johnson from the east-northeast at about 10 thousand 
feet and immediately after putting flaps down, the crew suddenly heard a 
loud CRACK! and felt a shudder.  The aircraft immediately went into an 
uncontrollable roll to the right; the pilot was unable to regain control of 
the aircraft, and the crew heard more loud CRACKS! as the right wing broke 
off and the aircraft began to violently roll, spin and tumble.  The aircraft 
fuselage also broke in two across the middle of the bomb bay between the two 
bombs.


Meanwhile, the pilot had given the order to bailout.  The navigator ejected 
downward immediately and survived; the co-pilot and electronic warfare 
officer (EW) ejected upward and survived.  EW landed in a pasture near a 
cow, thought it was a bull and ran, breaking his ankle trying to jump over a 
fence.  The gunner pulled the first part of his ejection trigger mechanism 
to blow the overhead hatch, but he never squeezed the second part of the 
trigger mechanism to eject his seat; his body was found in the wreckage 
strewn across Big Daddy's Rd. southwest of Faro.  Meanwhile, the radar 
navigator ejected downward, but his body was found the next morning hanging 
from his parachute in a tree.  Joel Dobson, author of The Goldsboro Broken 
Arrow, recently talked to one of the men who helped recover the gunner's 
body.  He told Dobson that they found part of a pine tree 

Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[OK Don]

Excellent article, as usual. Thanks for sharing it with us.


On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 9:55 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Here's the straight poop.  A piece I did for briefing a Kiwanis group
 several months ago.






-- 
OK Don
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safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775
in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes.
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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Ok so a stupid question for Wilton, but very important I suppose. So say 
we were having a Q somewhere and a zombie outbreak happens. There is a 
B52 or similar near by.  Our only escape is for Wilton to fly us out of 
there.  Can you fire it up and fly us out?  Or are we all zombie food?  
Maybe Ok Don can be the co pilot.


On 9/22/2013 12:18 PM, OK Don wrote:

Excellent article, as usual. Thanks for sharing it with us.


On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 9:55 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


Here's the straight poop.  A piece I did for briefing a Kiwanis group
several months ago.









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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[Gerry Archer]

Question:  If the parachute had not failed on the second bomb, would it have 
gone off.

Thanks,
Gerry


On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 9:55 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


Here's the straight poop.  A piece I did for briefing a Kiwanis group
several months ago.



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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[WILTON]

If that's what it takes for survival, we'll manage something.
Bring Agne along for good measure.

Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting


Ok so a stupid question for Wilton, but very important I suppose. So say 
we were having a Q somewhere and a zombie outbreak happens. There is a 
B52 or similar near by.  Our only escape is for Wilton to fly us out of 
there.  Can you fire it up and fly us out?  Or are we all zombie food?  
Maybe Ok Don can be the co pilot.


On 9/22/2013 12:18 PM, OK Don wrote:

Excellent article, as usual. Thanks for sharing it with us.


On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 9:55 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


Here's the straight poop.  A piece I did for briefing a Kiwanis group
several months ago.









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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[WILTON]

Not very likely - same as bomb #1, ARM/SAFE switches were SAFE.  Crew RN had 
not armed them and never would have without a properly authenticated go-code 
and certainly not even then, over friendly territory.


Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting


Question:  If the parachute had not failed on the second bomb, would it 
have gone off.

Thanks,
Gerry


On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 9:55 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


Here's the straight poop.  A piece I did for briefing a Kiwanis group
several months ago.



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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[Mountain Man]

Wy cool description, Wilton - thanks.
Are there any pictures of a secondary - just to see that 1960's
technology that has enabled a disaster to not turn in to a fiasco?
Perhaps you never saw the internals of the package that you flew with?
 Perhaps it was deemed unimportant for you guys to know what was in
the Sandia Corp. creation - you guys just needed to know the exact
procedure?
Interesting exposure - thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[Mountain Man]

Another comment.
Perhaps you should gain a bit more notoriety and submit this article
to The Guardian so some correct press is gained about this incident.
You could become the Edward Snowden of nuke accidents... if this is
considered a nuke accident?  I suspect you do not consider this as
accident, merely excellent design?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[WILTON]

I've seen only sketches and illustrations of secondaries - no more than such 
found on internet today.  'Some mockups of internal controls 50 years ago.


Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting



Wy cool description, Wilton - thanks.
Are there any pictures of a secondary - just to see that 1960's
technology that has enabled a disaster to not turn in to a fiasco?
Perhaps you never saw the internals of the package that you flew with?
Perhaps it was deemed unimportant for you guys to know what was in
the Sandia Corp. creation - you guys just needed to know the exact
procedure?
Interesting exposure - thanks.
mao

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[MBZ] OT but interesting

[WILTON]

Journalists and wannabe journalists enjoy bringing the subject up every few
years and touting it each time as a new, story spiced with sensationalism.
Many of them tend to fill in any gaps in their new knowledge about the 
subject

with imagination or what they may have seen in some fictitious movie, such
as Strangelove and others.  The facts of the accident are what they are,
and physics is physics.  All (the number easily available for counting in
the official Sandia report) of the switches, except those in bomb #2 that
were precluded by other physical factors, worked mechanically and
electrically as designed and built.
Oh, it was a terrible aircraft and nuclear accident, alright, but the bombs 
worked exactly as they were designed to work.


Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting



Another comment.
Perhaps you should gain a bit more notoriety and submit this article
to The Guardian so some correct press is gained about this incident.
You could become the Edward Snowden of nuke accidents... if this is
considered a nuke accident?  I suspect you do not consider this as
accident, merely excellent design?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[WILTON]

Oh, in reference to Snowden:  I haven't revealed anything that's classified.

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 11:16 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT but interesting


Journalists and wannabe journalists enjoy bringing the subject up every 
few
years and touting it each time as a new, story spiced with 
sensationalism.
Many of them tend to fill in any gaps in their new knowledge about the 
subject

with imagination or what they may have seen in some fictitious movie, such
as Strangelove and others.  The facts of the accident are what they are,
and physics is physics.  All (the number easily available for counting in
the official Sandia report) of the switches, except those in bomb #2 that
were precluded by other physical factors, worked mechanically and
electrically as designed and built.
Oh, it was a terrible aircraft and nuclear accident, alright, but the 
bombs worked exactly as they were designed to work.


Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting



Another comment.
Perhaps you should gain a bit more notoriety and submit this article
to The Guardian so some correct press is gained about this incident.
You could become the Edward Snowden of nuke accidents... if this is
considered a nuke accident?  I suspect you do not consider this as
accident, merely excellent design?
mao

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[MBZ] OT but interesting

[Rich Thomas]

So back when an a-bomb was accidentally dropped right near where Milton 
lives.  Yesterday's WSJ had a book review of a new book about bomb 
accidents, mostly missile explosions that expelled the warheads, and 
caused various other problems.  It also mentioned this incident and 
suggested the package was still where it fell and buried itself, though 
I find that hard to believe.  Anyway, now a report saying NC almost got 
nuked then.  I guess Milt would be living outside the exclusion zone, or 
maybe in full Mad Max mode by now.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/20/usaf-atomic-bomb-north-carolina-1961

--R


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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[WILTON]

It is amazing the number of supposedly well-educated people who keep writing 
books about the 1961 incident 12 mile from here but evidently don't know how 
to count (each one comes up with a different number of switches - usually 
sprinkled between 4 and 9) and can't seem to understand that all of the 
bombs' internal switches, devices and timers, including the ARM/SAFE 
switches worked mechanically and electrically exactly as they were designed 
and built to work.  They were all designed and built to allow/produce a nuke 
det only if the bombs were released under very specific conditions of 
altitude and airspeed.  The breakup of the airplane caused the bombs to 
separate from it as if they had been deliberately released - the altitude 
and airspeed conditions were met.  On one bomb, all of the switches, 
including ARM/SAFE switch worked.  Firing signal was produced, but it could 
not get past the ARM/SAFE switch, which, of course, the crew 
radar-navigator/bombardier had not armed and never would have without a 
properly authenticated go-code/order.  So one bomb did not produce nuke det 
because ARM/SAFE switch was SAFE.


In the second bomb, all of the switches, timers, etc., except those that 
were precluded by other physical factors (severed parachute static line and 
premature impact with ground) also worked as designed and built.  When first 
found in the impact crater, the ARM/SAFE switch for this bomb appeared to be 
ARMED, but detailed analysis by Sandia Corp. found that only the case was 
damaged making it to merely appear to be armed but was, in fact, SAFE.  This 
bomb did not produce nuke det 'cause it was destroyed upon impact with 
ground before fusing/firing sequence was complete; ARM/SAFE switch was also 
SAFE.


In addition to the internal switches, timers and devices being designed and 
built to allow/produce a nuclear detonation ONLY under certain specific 
conditions of airspeed and altitude, they were also designed and built to 
prevent an accidental nuclear detonation while undergoing ground 
maintenance, and handling, routine transport and any other time not 
deliberately intended.  Airspeed and altitude conditions were satisfied, 
though, so the switches worked, but because they each did not act as a 
roadblock to the fusing/firing sequence in this accidental situation, they 
are considered by some to have failed - that's how the story got out about 
so many switches failing.


Wilton


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Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 3:17 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT but interesting


So back when an a-bomb was accidentally dropped right near where Milton 
lives.  Yesterday's WSJ had a book review of a new book about bomb 
accidents, mostly missile explosions that expelled the warheads, and 
caused various other problems.  It also mentioned this incident and 
suggested the package was still where it fell and buried itself, though I 
find that hard to believe.  Anyway, now a report saying NC almost got 
nuked then.  I guess Milt would be living outside the exclusion zone, or 
maybe in full Mad Max mode by now.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/20/usaf-atomic-bomb-north-carolina-1961

--R


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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[WILTON]

Oh, I forgot - part of second bomb - secondary package of radioactive 
material (200 to 300 lbs) is still in the ground, depth unknown, maybe 180 
feet or so.  Unable to recover it in '61 because of water, mud,  etc.


Wilt

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting


It is amazing the number of supposedly well-educated people who keep 
writing books about the 1961 incident 12 mile from here but evidently 
don't know how to count (each one comes up with a different number of 
switches - usually sprinkled between 4 and 9) and can't seem to understand 
that all of the bombs' internal switches, devices and timers, including 
the ARM/SAFE switches worked mechanically and electrically exactly as they 
were designed and built to work.  They were all designed and built to 
allow/produce a nuke det only if the bombs were released under very 
specific conditions of altitude and airspeed.  The breakup of the airplane 
caused the bombs to separate from it as if they had been deliberately 
released - the altitude and airspeed conditions were met.  On one bomb, 
all of the switches, including ARM/SAFE switch worked.  Firing signal was 
produced, but it could not get past the ARM/SAFE switch, which, of course, 
the crew radar-navigator/bombardier had not armed and never would have 
without a properly authenticated go-code/order.  So one bomb did not 
produce nuke det because ARM/SAFE switch was SAFE.


In the second bomb, all of the switches, timers, etc., except those that 
were precluded by other physical factors (severed parachute static line 
and premature impact with ground) also worked as designed and built.  When 
first found in the impact crater, the ARM/SAFE switch for this bomb 
appeared to be ARMED, but detailed analysis by Sandia Corp. found that 
only the case was damaged making it to merely appear to be armed but was, 
in fact, SAFE.  This bomb did not produce nuke det 'cause it was destroyed 
upon impact with ground before fusing/firing sequence was complete; 
ARM/SAFE switch was also SAFE.


In addition to the internal switches, timers and devices being designed 
and built to allow/produce a nuclear detonation ONLY under certain 
specific conditions of airspeed and altitude, they were also designed and 
built to prevent an accidental nuclear detonation while undergoing ground 
maintenance, and handling, routine transport and any other time not 
deliberately intended.  Airspeed and altitude conditions were satisfied, 
though, so the switches worked, but because they each did not act as a 
roadblock to the fusing/firing sequence in this accidental situation, they 
are considered by some to have failed - that's how the story got out about 
so many switches failing.


Wilton


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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 3:17 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT but interesting


So back when an a-bomb was accidentally dropped right near where Milton 
lives.  Yesterday's WSJ had a book review of a new book about bomb 
accidents, mostly missile explosions that expelled the warheads, and 
caused various other problems.  It also mentioned this incident and 
suggested the package was still where it fell and buried itself, though I 
find that hard to believe.  Anyway, now a report saying NC almost got 
nuked then.  I guess Milt would be living outside the exclusion zone, or 
maybe in full Mad Max mode by now.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/20/usaf-atomic-bomb-north-carolina-1961

--R


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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

[WILTON]

BTW, 'tickles me when the article says recently declassified doc. first 
conclusive evidence, etc.  BS - I've had several of the relevant 
declassified docs., including report of detailed analysis by Sandia Corp., 
here on my desk for several years.  I've read and understand them all in 
great detail.


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting


It is amazing the number of supposedly well-educated people who keep 
writing books about the 1961 incident 12 mile from here but evidently 
don't know how to count (each one comes up with a different number of 
switches - usually sprinkled between 4 and 9) and can't seem to understand 
that all of the bombs' internal switches, devices and timers, including 
the ARM/SAFE switches worked mechanically and electrically exactly as they 
were designed and built to work.  They were all designed and built to 
allow/produce a nuke det only if the bombs were released under very 
specific conditions of altitude and airspeed.  The breakup of the airplane 
caused the bombs to separate from it as if they had been deliberately 
released - the altitude and airspeed conditions were met.  On one bomb, 
all of the switches, including ARM/SAFE switch worked.  Firing signal was 
produced, but it could not get past the ARM/SAFE switch, which, of course, 
the crew radar-navigator/bombardier had not armed and never would have 
without a properly authenticated go-code/order.  So one bomb did not 
produce nuke det because ARM/SAFE switch was SAFE.


In the second bomb, all of the switches, timers, etc., except those that 
were precluded by other physical factors (severed parachute static line 
and premature impact with ground) also worked as designed and built.  When 
first found in the impact crater, the ARM/SAFE switch for this bomb 
appeared to be ARMED, but detailed analysis by Sandia Corp. found that 
only the case was damaged making it to merely appear to be armed but was, 
in fact, SAFE.  This bomb did not produce nuke det 'cause it was destroyed 
upon impact with ground before fusing/firing sequence was complete; 
ARM/SAFE switch was also SAFE.


In addition to the internal switches, timers and devices being designed 
and built to allow/produce a nuclear detonation ONLY under certain 
specific conditions of airspeed and altitude, they were also designed and 
built to prevent an accidental nuclear detonation while undergoing ground 
maintenance, and handling, routine transport and any other time not 
deliberately intended.  Airspeed and altitude conditions were satisfied, 
though, so the switches worked, but because they each did not act as a 
roadblock to the fusing/firing sequence in this accidental situation, they 
are considered by some to have failed - that's how the story got out about 
so many switches failing.


Wilton


- Original Message - 
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 3:17 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT but interesting


So back when an a-bomb was accidentally dropped right near where Milton 
lives.  Yesterday's WSJ had a book review of a new book about bomb 
accidents, mostly missile explosions that expelled the warheads, and 
caused various other problems.  It also mentioned this incident and 
suggested the package was still where it fell and buried itself, though I 
find that hard to believe.  Anyway, now a report saying NC almost got 
nuked then.  I guess Milt would be living outside the exclusion zone, or 
maybe in full Mad Max mode by now.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/20/usaf-atomic-bomb-north-carolina-1961

--R


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[MBZ] OT some interesting old machine work documents

[Rich Thomas]

Don't know who might be into machining, but here are some interesting 
old books and manuals


http://www.wewilliams.net/SBLibrary.htm

--R

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