Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dan says:

>We’ve got plenty of equity and the market is good. We’re going to take the 
>money and plow it into the new house.

Makes sense. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[dan--- via Mercedes]

It would and we know it. However, the market is such that the margin of cash 
flow to costs would be minimal at best, plus I don’t want to be a landlord. And 
the minute I start paying someone to manage it I would be upside down on cash 
flow.

We’ve got plenty of equity and the market is good. We’re going to take the 
money and plow it into the new house.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2019, at 12:30 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan states:
> 
>> This is why I have absolutely no interest in turning my former house into a 
>> rental, thank you.
> 
> 
> Actually your house would make a great rental, as it is an upscale home. 
> Would be good for Airbnb or vacation rental, or perhaps insurance rental when 
> someone's home is uninhabitable for a period (hurricane, flood, tornado, 
> fire). I would think temporarily displaced residents of a similar home would 
> make okay tenants. 
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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 If you had all the utilities centered in one area you could room it off and 
install cameras and a remotely controlled light. Put a sign on the door 
"Cameras in use in this room, if you enter you will be recorded".
Sensors on things like a sump pump are a good idea. I've never been into home 
monitoring but I see a good use case there.

-Curt

On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 12:25:30 PM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Dimitri says:

>Many times tenants are idiots and are lazy, that’s why they are tenants. There 
>are exceptions of course. Do you know how many tripped breaker calls I get? 
>How many times a washer or dryer doesn’t work because it was accidentally 
>unplugged, how many times tenants will go off to visit their parents in the 
>dead of winter and shut off heat to the house so that the pipes will freeze 
>up? Or leave for 2 weeks during winter and leave a window or even a back door 
>wide open?

As much as I hate the idea of having a "smart home", in the case of a rental it 
makes good sense. It would be great to be able to monitor temperature, sump 
pump, garage door, etc. from the convenience of ones own phone or computer. 
Obviously no cameras inside the house, but maybe cameras on the outside too. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dan states:

>This is why I have absolutely no interest in turning my former house into a 
>rental, thank you.


Actually your house would make a great rental, as it is an upscale home. Would 
be good for Airbnb or vacation rental, or perhaps insurance rental when 
someone's home is uninhabitable for a period (hurricane, flood, tornado, fire). 
I would think temporarily displaced residents of a similar home would make okay 
tenants. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dimitri says:

>Many times tenants are idiots and are lazy, that’s why they are tenants. There 
>are exceptions of course. Do you know how many tripped breaker calls I get? 
>How many times a washer or dryer doesn’t work because it was accidentally 
>unplugged, how many times tenants will go off to visit their parents in the 
>dead of winter and shut off heat to the house so that the pipes will freeze 
>up? Or leave for 2 weeks during winter and leave a window or even a back door 
>wide open?

As much as I hate the idea of having a "smart home", in the case of a rental it 
makes good sense. It would be great to be able to monitor temperature, sump 
pump, garage door, etc. from the convenience of ones own phone or computer. 
Obviously no cameras inside the house, but maybe cameras on the outside too. 

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This is why I have absolutely no interest in turning my former house into a 
rental, thank you.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Many times tenants are idiots and are lazy, that’s why they are tenants. 
> There are exceptions of course. Do you know how many tripped breaker calls I 
> get? How many times a washer or dryer doesn’t work because it was 
> accidentally unplugged, how many times tenants will go off to visit their 
> parents in the dead of winter and shut off heat to the house so that the 
> pipes will freeze up? Or leave for 2 weeks during winter and leave a window 
> or even a back door wide open?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:59 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> No!  he left out a period.   No. Breaker was tripped.
>> 
>> Or maybe he left out the exclamation point!   No!   Breaker was tripped.
>> 
>>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>> December 16, 2019 at 8:20 PM
>>> Did you leave out a comma? Was this "No, breaker was tripped." or "No
>>> breaker was tripped." ?
>>> -
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>>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Many times tenants are idiots and are lazy, that’s why they are tenants. There 
are exceptions of course. Do you know how many tripped breaker calls I get? How 
many times a washer or dryer doesn’t work because it was accidentally 
unplugged, how many times tenants will go off to visit their parents in the 
dead of winter and shut off heat to the house so that the pipes will freeze up? 
Or leave for 2 weeks during winter and leave a window or even a back door wide 
open?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:59 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> No!  he left out a period.   No. Breaker was tripped.
> 
> Or maybe he left out the exclamation point!   No!   Breaker was tripped.
> 
>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>> December 16, 2019 at 8:20 PM
>> Did you leave out a comma? Was this "No, breaker was tripped." or "No
>> breaker was tripped." ?
>> -
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>> Charleston SC
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

No!  he left out a period.   No. Breaker was tripped.

Or maybe he left out the exclamation point!   No!   Breaker was tripped.


Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
December 16, 2019 at 8:20 PM
Did you leave out a comma? Was this "No, breaker was tripped." or "No
breaker was tripped." ?
-
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Charleston SC



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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

No, breaker was tripped 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 16, 2019, at 8:21 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Did you leave out a comma?  Was this "No, breaker was tripped." or "No
> breaker was tripped." ?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 5:53 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> No breaker was tripped.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did you loose you're braker?
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
 On 12/16/19 5:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 I got one at El Mercado De Lowe’s and tested the outlets. I then tested
>> the breakers. Would anybody like to guess what the issue was?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah that's it, you can get them at hardware store or El Mercado de
>> Wal or Lowes/HD or wherever
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 12/15/19 7:49 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
>> Maybe this is the lighted tester:
>> 
>> https://smile.amazon.com/Elitexion-Outlet-Circuit-Receptacle-Tester/dp/B01D2EDB1U/
>> It's a crude device but handy because it's small and checks polarity
>> (ground-neutral-hot) in addition to just indicating if power is on.
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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Did you leave out a comma?  Was this "No, breaker was tripped." or "No
breaker was tripped." ?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 5:53 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No breaker was tripped.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 16, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Did you loose you're braker?
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >> On 12/16/19 5:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I got one at El Mercado De Lowe’s and tested the outlets. I then tested
> the breakers. Would anybody like to guess what the issue was?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yeah that's it, you can get them at hardware store or El Mercado de
> Wal or Lowes/HD or wherever
> >>>
> >>> --FT
> >>>
>  On 12/15/19 7:49 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
>  Maybe this is the lighted tester:
> 
> https://smile.amazon.com/Elitexion-Outlet-Circuit-Receptacle-Tester/dp/B01D2EDB1U/
>  It's a crude device but handy because it's small and checks polarity
> (ground-neutral-hot) in addition to just indicating if power is on.
> >>> --
> >>> --FT
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

No telling 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 16, 2019, at 6:43 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> breaker was tripped because they were trying to run 4 1500 watt electric 
> heaters on the circuit?
> 
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>> December 16, 2019 at 4:18 PM
>> I got one at El Mercado De Lowe’s and tested the outlets. I then tested the 
>> breakers. Would anybody like to guess what the issue was?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

breaker was tripped because they were trying to run 4 1500 watt electric 
heaters on the circuit?



Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
December 16, 2019 at 4:18 PM
I got one at El Mercado De Lowe’s and tested the outlets. I then 
tested the breakers. Would anybody like to guess what the issue was?




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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I must presume you found the cause, so. WHAT WAS IT??


On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 5:15 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Power bill was not paid and power shut off?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 5:53 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > No breaker was tripped.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Dec 16, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Did you loose you're braker?
> > >
> > > --FT
> > >
> > >> On 12/16/19 5:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> I got one at El Mercado De Lowe’s and tested the outlets. I then
> tested
> > the breakers. Would anybody like to guess what the issue was?
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> >  On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Yeah that's it, you can get them at hardware store or El Mercado de
> > Wal or Lowes/HD or wherever
> > >>>
> > >>> --FT
> > >>>
> >  On 12/15/19 7:49 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> >  Maybe this is the lighted tester:
> > 
> >
> https://smile.amazon.com/Elitexion-Outlet-Circuit-Receptacle-Tester/dp/B01D2EDB1U/
> >  It's a crude device but handy because it's small and checks polarity
> > (ground-neutral-hot) in addition to just indicating if power is on.
> > >>> --
> > >>> --FT
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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Power bill was not paid and power shut off?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 5:53 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No breaker was tripped.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 16, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Did you loose you're braker?
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >> On 12/16/19 5:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I got one at El Mercado De Lowe’s and tested the outlets. I then tested
> the breakers. Would anybody like to guess what the issue was?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yeah that's it, you can get them at hardware store or El Mercado de
> Wal or Lowes/HD or wherever
> >>>
> >>> --FT
> >>>
>  On 12/15/19 7:49 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
>  Maybe this is the lighted tester:
> 
> https://smile.amazon.com/Elitexion-Outlet-Circuit-Receptacle-Tester/dp/B01D2EDB1U/
>  It's a crude device but handy because it's small and checks polarity
> (ground-neutral-hot) in addition to just indicating if power is on.
> >>> --
> >>> --FT
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[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

No breaker was tripped. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 16, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Did you loose you're braker?
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 12/16/19 5:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I got one at El Mercado De Lowe’s and tested the outlets. I then tested the 
>> breakers. Would anybody like to guess what the issue was?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah that's it, you can get them at hardware store or El Mercado de Wal or 
>>> Lowes/HD or wherever
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
 On 12/15/19 7:49 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
 Maybe this is the lighted tester:
 https://smile.amazon.com/Elitexion-Outlet-Circuit-Receptacle-Tester/dp/B01D2EDB1U/
 It's a crude device but handy because it's small and checks polarity 
 (ground-neutral-hot) in addition to just indicating if power is on.
>>> -- 
>>> --FT
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I'm going to guess luser error...

-Curt

On Monday, December 16, 2019, 5:18:36 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I got one at El Mercado De Lowe’s and tested the outlets. I then tested the 
breakers. Would anybody like to guess what the issue was?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah that's it, you can get them at hardware store or El Mercado de Wal or 
> Lowes/HD or wherever
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 12/15/19 7:49 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
>> Maybe this is the lighted tester:
>> https://smile.amazon.com/Elitexion-Outlet-Circuit-Receptacle-Tester/dp/B01D2EDB1U/
>> It's a crude device but handy because it's small and checks polarity 
>> (ground-neutral-hot) in addition to just indicating if power is on.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Did you loose you're braker?

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On 12/16/19 5:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I got one at El Mercado De Lowe’s and tested the outlets. I then tested the 
breakers. Would anybody like to guess what the issue was?

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

Yeah that's it, you can get them at hardware store or El Mercado de Wal or 
Lowes/HD or wherever

--FT


On 12/15/19 7:49 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
Maybe this is the lighted tester:
https://smile.amazon.com/Elitexion-Outlet-Circuit-Receptacle-Tester/dp/B01D2EDB1U/
It's a crude device but handy because it's small and checks polarity 
(ground-neutral-hot) in addition to just indicating if power is on.

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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I got one at El Mercado De Lowe’s and tested the outlets. I then tested the 
breakers. Would anybody like to guess what the issue was?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah that's it, you can get them at hardware store or El Mercado de Wal or 
> Lowes/HD or wherever
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 12/15/19 7:49 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
>> Maybe this is the lighted tester:
>> https://smile.amazon.com/Elitexion-Outlet-Circuit-Receptacle-Tester/dp/B01D2EDB1U/
>> It's a crude device but handy because it's small and checks polarity 
>> (ground-neutral-hot) in addition to just indicating if power is on.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah that's it, you can get them at hardware store or El Mercado de Wal 
or Lowes/HD or wherever


--FT

On 12/15/19 7:49 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

Maybe this is the lighted tester:
https://smile.amazon.com/Elitexion-Outlet-Circuit-Receptacle-Tester/dp/B01D2EDB1U/
It's a crude device but handy because it's small and checks polarity 
(ground-neutral-hot) in addition to just indicating if power is on.


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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

This happens to me all the time with tenants. The breakers appear ok but they 
are in fact tripped.

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> On Dec 15, 2019, at 9:34 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> They are idiots, I would assume they did that, but I am using it as a good 
> reason to check on things.
> 
>> On 12/15/2019 8:33 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> Sometimes a breaker looks like it’s not tripped when in fact it is. If they 
>> haven’t already, ask them to flip the breaker to off and back to on.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Probably a bad GFCI outlet, or check to see if the circuit has a GFCI or 
>>> AFCI breaker, they can go bad too, and the AFCIs are sensitive to the 
>>> neutral and ground connections.
>>> 
>>> Buy one of those little lighted testers you plug in, they are cheap and 
>>> will show you what the fault might be.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
 On 12/15/19 1:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 I will check that out. House was built in 04 so not sure if it has copper 
 or aluminum. I would also think it is one circuit. Does not seem likely 
 that multiple circuits would develop the same issue at the same time.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Dec 15, 2019, at 11:35 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Open the breaker box and check the wire. If it is aluminum wire, it has
> done what aluminum wire in houses does after time. The contact at the 
> crimp
> screw has expanded and contracted with each time electrical load in 
> applied
> [wire heats up, expands, cools down, contracts.]  The wire slowly loses
> contact, and as it does, it starts arcing each time, which builds a
> progressively worse connection, and corrosion at point of contact...
> 
> Disable the panel at the master entry breaker [don't die, we need you]...
> then remove the wire from the offending breaker, clip it back to a new
> contact surface, apply some contact paste [Ace hardware has it.. other 
> hard
> wares should also].
> Re tighten the lugs and re-energize the box...
> 
> Usually cures the issue...
> 
> Can also happen with copper circuits, not as often...
> 
>> On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Renters called, outlets in master bath, master bedroom, and kitchen are
>> not working.  These rooms are all located right next to each other.  I
>> am assuming they are probably on the same breaker.  He says they checked
>> the breakers which I take to mean none are tripped.  I am thinking it is
>> likely a bad breaker or possibly a GFCI outlet on the circuit somewhere
>> might be tripped or bad.  Can breakers go bad and not sending power out
>> but not be tripped?
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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes I have had that happen.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 9:33 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Sometimes a breaker looks like it’s not tripped when in fact it is. If
> they haven’t already, ask them to flip the breaker to off and back to on.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 15, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Probably a bad GFCI outlet, or check to see if the circuit has a GFCI or
> AFCI breaker, they can go bad too, and the AFCIs are sensitive to the
> neutral and ground connections.
> >
> > Buy one of those little lighted testers you plug in, they are cheap and
> will show you what the fault might be.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >> On 12/15/19 1:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I will check that out. House was built in 04 so not sure if it has
> copper or aluminum. I would also think it is one circuit. Does not seem
> likely that multiple circuits would develop the same issue at the same time.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Dec 15, 2019, at 11:35 AM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Open the breaker box and check the wire. If it is aluminum wire, it
> has
> >>> done what aluminum wire in houses does after time. The contact at the
> crimp
> >>> screw has expanded and contracted with each time electrical load in
> applied
> >>> [wire heats up, expands, cools down, contracts.]  The wire slowly loses
> >>> contact, and as it does, it starts arcing each time, which builds a
> >>> progressively worse connection, and corrosion at point of contact...
> >>>
> >>> Disable the panel at the master entry breaker [don't die, we need
> you]...
> >>> then remove the wire from the offending breaker, clip it back to a new
> >>> contact surface, apply some contact paste [Ace hardware has it.. other
> hard
> >>> wares should also].
> >>> Re tighten the lugs and re-energize the box...
> >>>
> >>> Usually cures the issue...
> >>>
> >>> Can also happen with copper circuits, not as often...
> >>>
>  On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Renters called, outlets in master bath, master bedroom, and kitchen
> are
>  not working.  These rooms are all located right next to each other.  I
>  am assuming they are probably on the same breaker.  He says they
> checked
>  the breakers which I take to mean none are tripped.  I am thinking it
> is
>  likely a bad breaker or possibly a GFCI outlet on the circuit
> somewhere
>  might be tripped or bad.  Can breakers go bad and not sending power
> out
>  but not be tripped?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Sometimes a breaker looks like it’s not tripped when in fact it is. If they 
haven’t already, ask them to flip the breaker to off and back to on.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Probably a bad GFCI outlet, or check to see if the circuit has a GFCI or AFCI 
> breaker, they can go bad too, and the AFCIs are sensitive to the neutral and 
> ground connections.
> 
> Buy one of those little lighted testers you plug in, they are cheap and will 
> show you what the fault might be.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 12/15/19 1:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I will check that out. House was built in 04 so not sure if it has copper or 
>> aluminum. I would also think it is one circuit. Does not seem likely that 
>> multiple circuits would develop the same issue at the same time.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2019, at 11:35 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Open the breaker box and check the wire. If it is aluminum wire, it has
>>> done what aluminum wire in houses does after time. The contact at the crimp
>>> screw has expanded and contracted with each time electrical load in applied
>>> [wire heats up, expands, cools down, contracts.]  The wire slowly loses
>>> contact, and as it does, it starts arcing each time, which builds a
>>> progressively worse connection, and corrosion at point of contact...
>>> 
>>> Disable the panel at the master entry breaker [don't die, we need you]...
>>> then remove the wire from the offending breaker, clip it back to a new
>>> contact surface, apply some contact paste [Ace hardware has it.. other hard
>>> wares should also].
>>> Re tighten the lugs and re-energize the box...
>>> 
>>> Usually cures the issue...
>>> 
>>> Can also happen with copper circuits, not as often...
>>> 
 On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Renters called, outlets in master bath, master bedroom, and kitchen are
 not working.  These rooms are all located right next to each other.  I
 am assuming they are probably on the same breaker.  He says they checked
 the breakers which I take to mean none are tripped.  I am thinking it is
 likely a bad breaker or possibly a GFCI outlet on the circuit somewhere
 might be tripped or bad.  Can breakers go bad and not sending power out
 but not be tripped?
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

They are idiots, I would assume they did that, but I am using it as a 
good reason to check on things.


On 12/15/2019 8:33 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:

Sometimes a breaker looks like it’s not tripped when in fact it is. If they 
haven’t already, ask them to flip the breaker to off and back to on.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 15, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

Probably a bad GFCI outlet, or check to see if the circuit has a GFCI or AFCI 
breaker, they can go bad too, and the AFCIs are sensitive to the neutral and 
ground connections.

Buy one of those little lighted testers you plug in, they are cheap and will 
show you what the fault might be.

--FT


On 12/15/19 1:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
I will check that out. House was built in 04 so not sure if it has copper or 
aluminum. I would also think it is one circuit. Does not seem likely that 
multiple circuits would develop the same issue at the same time.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 15, 2019, at 11:35 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

Open the breaker box and check the wire. If it is aluminum wire, it has
done what aluminum wire in houses does after time. The contact at the crimp
screw has expanded and contracted with each time electrical load in applied
[wire heats up, expands, cools down, contracts.]  The wire slowly loses
contact, and as it does, it starts arcing each time, which builds a
progressively worse connection, and corrosion at point of contact...

Disable the panel at the master entry breaker [don't die, we need you]...
then remove the wire from the offending breaker, clip it back to a new
contact surface, apply some contact paste [Ace hardware has it.. other hard
wares should also].
Re tighten the lugs and re-energize the box...

Usually cures the issue...

Can also happen with copper circuits, not as often...


On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Renters called, outlets in master bath, master bedroom, and kitchen are
not working.  These rooms are all located right next to each other.  I
am assuming they are probably on the same breaker.  He says they checked
the breakers which I take to mean none are tripped.  I am thinking it is
likely a bad breaker or possibly a GFCI outlet on the circuit somewhere
might be tripped or bad.  Can breakers go bad and not sending power out
but not be tripped?


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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

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On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 19:49:30 -0500 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Maybe this is the lighted tester:
> https://smile.amazon.com/Elitexion-Outlet-Circuit-Receptacle-Tester/dp/B01D2EDB1U/

You need one which also tests GFCI outlets like:
https://www.amazon.com/Sperry-Instruments-GFI6302-Receptacle-Professional/dp/B000RUL2UU/


> 
> I also like those non-contact voltage testers like this:
> https://smile.amazon.com/Klein-Tools-NCVT-1-Non-Contact-Indicator/dp/B001UAHZAM/

Or get both in one purchase:

https://www.amazon.com/Sperry-Instruments-STK001-Non-Contact-Receptacle/dp/B002JGQAQ6


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

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Maybe this is the lighted tester:
https://smile.amazon.com/Elitexion-Outlet-Circuit-Receptacle-Tester/dp/B01D2EDB1U/
It's a crude device but handy because it's small and checks polarity 
(ground-neutral-hot) in addition to just indicating if power is on.  

I also like those non-contact voltage testers like this:
https://smile.amazon.com/Klein-Tools-NCVT-1-Non-Contact-Indicator/dp/B001UAHZAM/
but much cheaper generic versions on ebay.  These indicate if power is present 
without removing insulation, even in a romex cable.  Very handy for sorting 
which cable goes to which switch or fixture.  Just beware that some of the 
cheap ones need to be very close to the conductor to work.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2019 1:33 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue
> 
> I figured if there was a tripped or bad GFCI outlet upstream from the others 
> it
> could knock them out.  Since bathroom and kitchen outlets are involved I
> figured that could be a possibility.
> 
> What is this lighted tester you speak of?
> 
> On 12/15/2019 12:16 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> > Probably a bad GFCI outlet, or check to see if the circuit has a GFCI
> > or AFCI breaker, they can go bad too, and the AFCIs are sensitive to
> > the neutral and ground connections.
> >
> > Buy one of those little lighted testers you plug in, they are cheap
> > and will show you what the fault might be.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 12/15/19 1:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I will check that out. House was built in 04 so not sure if it has
> >> copper or aluminum. I would also think it is one circuit. Does not
> >> seem likely that multiple circuits would develop the same issue at
> >> the same time.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Dec 15, 2019, at 11:35 AM, G Mann via Mercedes
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Open the breaker box and check the wire. If it is aluminum wire, it
> >>> has done what aluminum wire in houses does after time. The contact
> >>> at the crimp screw has expanded and contracted with each time
> >>> electrical load in applied [wire heats up, expands, cools down,
> >>> contracts.]  The wire slowly loses contact, and as it does, it
> >>> starts arcing each time, which builds a progressively worse
> >>> connection, and corrosion at point of contact...
> >>>
> >>> Disable the panel at the master entry breaker [don't die, we need
> >>> you]...
> >>> then remove the wire from the offending breaker, clip it back to a
> >>> new contact surface, apply some contact paste [Ace hardware has it..
> >>> other hard
> >>> wares should also].
> >>> Re tighten the lugs and re-energize the box...
> >>>
> >>> Usually cures the issue...
> >>>
> >>> Can also happen with copper circuits, not as often...
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Renters called, outlets in master bath, master bedroom, and kitchen
> >>>> are not working.  These rooms are all located right next to each
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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I’m wondering if their refrigerator is tripping one of the GFCI outlets like 
what happened at our house. They didn’t mention anything about refrigerator not 
working though. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2019, at 2:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 1.) If the house was built in 2004 it doesn’t have AL wire.
> 
> 2.) Open and then close the breaker. Sometimes you’ll get a “nuisance trip) 
> that doesn’t display the trip flag in the little window.
> 
> 3.) If it’s on a circuit with a GFCI, check to see what receptacles are 
> downstream of the GFCI receptacle. Quite possible something downstream is 
> causing it to trip, or the GFCI is failing.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2019, at 2:31 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Breakers do go bad sometimes. But first check by pushing the breaker to the
>> full off position and then back on. Many times a tripped breaker will
>> appear to still be on, at least visually.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 13:33 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I figured if there was a tripped or bad GFCI outlet upstream from the
>>> others it could knock them out.  Since bathroom and kitchen outlets are
>>> involved I figured that could be a possibility.
>>> 
>>> What is this lighted tester you speak of?
>>> 
>>> On 12/15/2019 12:16 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
 Probably a bad GFCI outlet, or check to see if the circuit has a GFCI
 or AFCI breaker, they can go bad too, and the AFCIs are sensitive to
 the neutral and ground connections.
 
 Buy one of those little lighted testers you plug in, they are cheap
 and will show you what the fault might be.
 
 --FT
 
 On 12/15/19 1:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> I will check that out. House was built in 04 so not sure if it has
> copper or aluminum. I would also think it is one circuit. Does not
> seem likely that multiple circuits would develop the same issue at
> the same time.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2019, at 11:35 AM, G Mann via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Open the breaker box and check the wire. If it is aluminum wire, it
>> has
>> done what aluminum wire in houses does after time. The contact at
>> the crimp
>> screw has expanded and contracted with each time electrical load in
>> applied
>> [wire heats up, expands, cools down, contracts.]  The wire slowly loses
>> contact, and as it does, it starts arcing each time, which builds a
>> progressively worse connection, and corrosion at point of contact...
>> 
>> Disable the panel at the master entry breaker [don't die, we need
>> you]...
>> then remove the wire from the offending breaker, clip it back to a new
>> contact surface, apply some contact paste [Ace hardware has it..
>> other hard
>> wares should also].
>> Re tighten the lugs and re-energize the box...
>> 
>> Usually cures the issue...
>> 
>> Can also happen with copper circuits, not as often...
>> 
>>> On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Renters called, outlets in master bath, master bedroom, and kitchen
>>> are
>>> not working.  These rooms are all located right next to each other.  I
>>> am assuming they are probably on the same breaker.  He says they
>>> checked
>>> the breakers which I take to mean none are tripped.  I am thinking
>>> it is
>>> likely a bad breaker or possibly a GFCI outlet on the circuit
>>> somewhere
>>> might be tripped or bad.  Can breakers go bad and not sending power
>>> out
>>> but not be tripped?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

1.) If the house was built in 2004 it doesn’t have AL wire.

2.) Open and then close the breaker. Sometimes you’ll get a “nuisance trip) 
that doesn’t display the trip flag in the little window.

3.) If it’s on a circuit with a GFCI, check to see what receptacles are 
downstream of the GFCI receptacle. Quite possible something downstream is 
causing it to trip, or the GFCI is failing.

-D


> On Dec 15, 2019, at 2:31 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Breakers do go bad sometimes. But first check by pushing the breaker to the
> full off position and then back on. Many times a tripped breaker will
> appear to still be on, at least visually.
> 
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 13:33 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I figured if there was a tripped or bad GFCI outlet upstream from the
>> others it could knock them out.  Since bathroom and kitchen outlets are
>> involved I figured that could be a possibility.
>> 
>> What is this lighted tester you speak of?
>> 
>> On 12/15/2019 12:16 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Probably a bad GFCI outlet, or check to see if the circuit has a GFCI
>>> or AFCI breaker, they can go bad too, and the AFCIs are sensitive to
>>> the neutral and ground connections.
>>> 
>>> Buy one of those little lighted testers you plug in, they are cheap
>>> and will show you what the fault might be.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> On 12/15/19 1:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 I will check that out. House was built in 04 so not sure if it has
 copper or aluminum. I would also think it is one circuit. Does not
 seem likely that multiple circuits would develop the same issue at
 the same time.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Dec 15, 2019, at 11:35 AM, G Mann via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> Open the breaker box and check the wire. If it is aluminum wire, it
> has
> done what aluminum wire in houses does after time. The contact at
> the crimp
> screw has expanded and contracted with each time electrical load in
> applied
> [wire heats up, expands, cools down, contracts.]  The wire slowly loses
> contact, and as it does, it starts arcing each time, which builds a
> progressively worse connection, and corrosion at point of contact...
> 
> Disable the panel at the master entry breaker [don't die, we need
> you]...
> then remove the wire from the offending breaker, clip it back to a new
> contact surface, apply some contact paste [Ace hardware has it..
> other hard
> wares should also].
> Re tighten the lugs and re-energize the box...
> 
> Usually cures the issue...
> 
> Can also happen with copper circuits, not as often...
> 
>> On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Renters called, outlets in master bath, master bedroom, and kitchen
>> are
>> not working.  These rooms are all located right next to each other.  I
>> am assuming they are probably on the same breaker.  He says they
>> checked
>> the breakers which I take to mean none are tripped.  I am thinking
>> it is
>> likely a bad breaker or possibly a GFCI outlet on the circuit
>> somewhere
>> might be tripped or bad.  Can breakers go bad and not sending power
>> out
>> but not be tripped?
>> 
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[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Breakers do go bad sometimes. But first check by pushing the breaker to the
full off position and then back on. Many times a tripped breaker will
appear to still be on, at least visually.

On Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 13:33 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I figured if there was a tripped or bad GFCI outlet upstream from the
> others it could knock them out.  Since bathroom and kitchen outlets are
> involved I figured that could be a possibility.
>
> What is this lighted tester you speak of?
>
> On 12/15/2019 12:16 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> > Probably a bad GFCI outlet, or check to see if the circuit has a GFCI
> > or AFCI breaker, they can go bad too, and the AFCIs are sensitive to
> > the neutral and ground connections.
> >
> > Buy one of those little lighted testers you plug in, they are cheap
> > and will show you what the fault might be.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 12/15/19 1:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I will check that out. House was built in 04 so not sure if it has
> >> copper or aluminum. I would also think it is one circuit. Does not
> >> seem likely that multiple circuits would develop the same issue at
> >> the same time.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Dec 15, 2019, at 11:35 AM, G Mann via Mercedes
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Open the breaker box and check the wire. If it is aluminum wire, it
> >>> has
> >>> done what aluminum wire in houses does after time. The contact at
> >>> the crimp
> >>> screw has expanded and contracted with each time electrical load in
> >>> applied
> >>> [wire heats up, expands, cools down, contracts.]  The wire slowly loses
> >>> contact, and as it does, it starts arcing each time, which builds a
> >>> progressively worse connection, and corrosion at point of contact...
> >>>
> >>> Disable the panel at the master entry breaker [don't die, we need
> >>> you]...
> >>> then remove the wire from the offending breaker, clip it back to a new
> >>> contact surface, apply some contact paste [Ace hardware has it..
> >>> other hard
> >>> wares should also].
> >>> Re tighten the lugs and re-energize the box...
> >>>
> >>> Usually cures the issue...
> >>>
> >>> Can also happen with copper circuits, not as often...
> >>>
>  On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Renters called, outlets in master bath, master bedroom, and kitchen
>  are
>  not working.  These rooms are all located right next to each other.  I
>  am assuming they are probably on the same breaker.  He says they
>  checked
>  the breakers which I take to mean none are tripped.  I am thinking
>  it is
>  likely a bad breaker or possibly a GFCI outlet on the circuit
>  somewhere
>  might be tripped or bad.  Can breakers go bad and not sending power
>  out
>  but not be tripped?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I figured if there was a tripped or bad GFCI outlet upstream from the 
others it could knock them out.  Since bathroom and kitchen outlets are 
involved I figured that could be a possibility.


What is this lighted tester you speak of?

On 12/15/2019 12:16 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Probably a bad GFCI outlet, or check to see if the circuit has a GFCI 
or AFCI breaker, they can go bad too, and the AFCIs are sensitive to 
the neutral and ground connections.


Buy one of those little lighted testers you plug in, they are cheap 
and will show you what the fault might be.


--FT

On 12/15/19 1:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
I will check that out. House was built in 04 so not sure if it has 
copper or aluminum. I would also think it is one circuit. Does not 
seem likely that multiple circuits would develop the same issue at 
the same time.


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 15, 2019, at 11:35 AM, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Open the breaker box and check the wire. If it is aluminum wire, it 
has
done what aluminum wire in houses does after time. The contact at 
the crimp
screw has expanded and contracted with each time electrical load in 
applied

[wire heats up, expands, cools down, contracts.]  The wire slowly loses
contact, and as it does, it starts arcing each time, which builds a
progressively worse connection, and corrosion at point of contact...

Disable the panel at the master entry breaker [don't die, we need 
you]...

then remove the wire from the offending breaker, clip it back to a new
contact surface, apply some contact paste [Ace hardware has it.. 
other hard

wares should also].
Re tighten the lugs and re-energize the box...

Usually cures the issue...

Can also happen with copper circuits, not as often...


On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Renters called, outlets in master bath, master bedroom, and kitchen 
are

not working.  These rooms are all located right next to each other.  I
am assuming they are probably on the same breaker.  He says they 
checked
the breakers which I take to mean none are tripped.  I am thinking 
it is
likely a bad breaker or possibly a GFCI outlet on the circuit 
somewhere
might be tripped or bad.  Can breakers go bad and not sending power 
out

but not be tripped?


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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Probably a bad GFCI outlet, or check to see if the circuit has a GFCI or 
AFCI breaker, they can go bad too, and the AFCIs are sensitive to the 
neutral and ground connections.


Buy one of those little lighted testers you plug in, they are cheap and 
will show you what the fault might be.


--FT

On 12/15/19 1:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I will check that out. House was built in 04 so not sure if it has copper or 
aluminum. I would also think it is one circuit. Does not seem likely that 
multiple circuits would develop the same issue at the same time.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 15, 2019, at 11:35 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

Open the breaker box and check the wire. If it is aluminum wire, it has
done what aluminum wire in houses does after time. The contact at the crimp
screw has expanded and contracted with each time electrical load in applied
[wire heats up, expands, cools down, contracts.]  The wire slowly loses
contact, and as it does, it starts arcing each time, which builds a
progressively worse connection, and corrosion at point of contact...

Disable the panel at the master entry breaker [don't die, we need you]...
then remove the wire from the offending breaker, clip it back to a new
contact surface, apply some contact paste [Ace hardware has it.. other hard
wares should also].
Re tighten the lugs and re-energize the box...

Usually cures the issue...

Can also happen with copper circuits, not as often...


On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Renters called, outlets in master bath, master bedroom, and kitchen are
not working.  These rooms are all located right next to each other.  I
am assuming they are probably on the same breaker.  He says they checked
the breakers which I take to mean none are tripped.  I am thinking it is
likely a bad breaker or possibly a GFCI outlet on the circuit somewhere
might be tripped or bad.  Can breakers go bad and not sending power out
but not be tripped?


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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I will check that out. House was built in 04 so not sure if it has copper or 
aluminum. I would also think it is one circuit. Does not seem likely that 
multiple circuits would develop the same issue at the same time. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2019, at 11:35 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Open the breaker box and check the wire. If it is aluminum wire, it has
> done what aluminum wire in houses does after time. The contact at the crimp
> screw has expanded and contracted with each time electrical load in applied
> [wire heats up, expands, cools down, contracts.]  The wire slowly loses
> contact, and as it does, it starts arcing each time, which builds a
> progressively worse connection, and corrosion at point of contact...
> 
> Disable the panel at the master entry breaker [don't die, we need you]...
> then remove the wire from the offending breaker, clip it back to a new
> contact surface, apply some contact paste [Ace hardware has it.. other hard
> wares should also].
> Re tighten the lugs and re-energize the box...
> 
> Usually cures the issue...
> 
> Can also happen with copper circuits, not as often...
> 
>> On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Renters called, outlets in master bath, master bedroom, and kitchen are
>> not working.  These rooms are all located right next to each other.  I
>> am assuming they are probably on the same breaker.  He says they checked
>> the breakers which I take to mean none are tripped.  I am thinking it is
>> likely a bad breaker or possibly a GFCI outlet on the circuit somewhere
>> might be tripped or bad.  Can breakers go bad and not sending power out
>> but not be tripped?
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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

If you have aluminum wiring you must have spring loaded contact points, at 
least in Indiana.  Lot of house fires back in the late 50's when aluminum wire 
became popular, my father investigated some.  The spring contacts prevent loose 
wires under fluctuating load.

Do not over-tighten copper contact either or you can get loose wire eventually.

Needless to say, everything my dad put in (he persuaded the local authorities 
to let him take the union electrician's exam, he was an electrical engineer) is 
solid copper in conduit.  
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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

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Open the breaker box and check the wire. If it is aluminum wire, it has
done what aluminum wire in houses does after time. The contact at the crimp
screw has expanded and contracted with each time electrical load in applied
[wire heats up, expands, cools down, contracts.]  The wire slowly loses
contact, and as it does, it starts arcing each time, which builds a
progressively worse connection, and corrosion at point of contact...

Disable the panel at the master entry breaker [don't die, we need you]...
then remove the wire from the offending breaker, clip it back to a new
contact surface, apply some contact paste [Ace hardware has it.. other hard
wares should also].
Re tighten the lugs and re-energize the box...

Usually cures the issue...

Can also happen with copper circuits, not as often...

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> Renters called, outlets in master bath, master bedroom, and kitchen are
> not working.  These rooms are all located right next to each other.  I
> am assuming they are probably on the same breaker.  He says they checked
> the breakers which I take to mean none are tripped.  I am thinking it is
> likely a bad breaker or possibly a GFCI outlet on the circuit somewhere
> might be tripped or bad.  Can breakers go bad and not sending power out
> but not be tripped?
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[MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Renters called, outlets in master bath, master bedroom, and kitchen are 
not working.  These rooms are all located right next to each other.  I 
am assuming they are probably on the same breaker.  He says they checked 
the breakers which I take to mean none are tripped.  I am thinking it is 
likely a bad breaker or possibly a GFCI outlet on the circuit somewhere 
might be tripped or bad.  Can breakers go bad and not sending power out 
but not be tripped?



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