Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Take a gander at the mapz of Goog.  The town is a literal residential dead end. 
 Maybe that is the new thing, but I come from a world were streets line up in 
some manner and you are able to get to other places from here.  ANC has few 
residential roads that are not dead ends.  Subsections and lost tails into the 
wilderness.  

One neighborhood is built up in an old gravel mine, which is maybe 10 meters 
below grade.  A rather deep bowl that will fill with Home Depot houses and will 
flood in a 100 year downpour

clay

> On Jul 23, 2019, at 12:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Next major earthquake will take care of all this.
> 
> -D

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Next major earthquake will take care of all this.

-D


> On Jul 23, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> My morning constitutionals around the neighborhoods bears this out for ANC.  
> There is a short construction season, but even the $500k homes are built with 
> low-end big-box store bargain materials.  The temps swung from below -40c to 
> over +30c this past year.  The use of rebar or steel mat in concrete is rare. 
>  Foundations are cinderblock and pressure treated in contact with soil and no 
> waterproofing.  PEX and ABS plumbing, 14 or 16 gauge wire, T-111 siding over 
> damp MDF sheeting and double pane vinyl windows.  At least they do tyvek wrap 
> the shell.  I get a giant grin out of the massive decks flying off the upper 
> stories of these boxes supported on 16 foot 4x4 posts holding up 2x4 pressure 
> treated joists
> 
> clay
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 7:38 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Sloppy construction
>> 
>> Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 7/20/19 7:22 PM:
>>> It always puzzled me why in southern climates the use of insulation is 
>>> minimal. I mean, yeah you don't get sub zero temps, but a/c is expensive to 
>>> run also. I suppose air infiltration is an issue too. Gotta keep the heat 
>>> out and the cool in. Cost recovery too long perhaps?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

My morning constitutionals around the neighborhoods bears this out for ANC.  
There is a short construction season, but even the $500k homes are built with 
low-end big-box store bargain materials.  The temps swung from below -40c to 
over +30c this past year.  The use of rebar or steel mat in concrete is rare.  
Foundations are cinderblock and pressure treated in contact with soil and no 
waterproofing.  PEX and ABS plumbing, 14 or 16 gauge wire, T-111 siding over 
damp MDF sheeting and double pane vinyl windows.  At least they do tyvek wrap 
the shell.  I get a giant grin out of the massive decks flying off the upper 
stories of these boxes supported on 16 foot 4x4 posts holding up 2x4 pressure 
treated joists

clay

> On Jul 23, 2019, at 7:38 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sloppy construction
> 
> Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 7/20/19 7:22 PM:
>> It always puzzled me why in southern climates the use of insulation is 
>> minimal. I mean, yeah you don't get sub zero temps, but a/c is expensive to 
>> run also. I suppose air infiltration is an issue too. Gotta keep the heat 
>> out and the cool in. Cost recovery too long perhaps?
>> 
>> 
>> Rick

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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Already got mine. State of Florida Miami-Dade building code approved. Not 
cheap. Been up there for 2-3 years now and still working great.

Thanks!

-D


> On Jul 23, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have new solar powered attic fans for sale in the south.  I can make you a 
> deal  on them. They are not cheapos.  THey are the best available AFIK.  
> Rated for hurricane, good warranty, etc.  The ones I installed in the south 9 
> yrs ago are still in great shape.   1500 to 2000 sq ft should have 3.  I'm 
> not sure how big your house is, but I am guessing in that range.
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 7/20/19 8:08 PM:
>> My former next door neighbor is a “forensic HVAC investigator”. In other 
>> words, he works for insurance companies, identifying the part HVAC systems 
>> play in losses their insureds encounter. I had been talking to him about 
>> putting a solar powered attic fan in the house to get the attic temperatures 
>> down. He told me that before I did anything like that I should seal the 
>> “envelope” as tightly as I possibly could.
>> 
>> Seems that people will go and put an attic fan in, thinking it will reduce 
>> the heat load on the living space by making the attic cooler. In reality, 
>> what often happens (according to him) is that the attic fan creates a 
>> negative pressure in the attic, which sucks conditioned air out of the 
>> living space through all the little racks and gaps that exist in every 
>> house. As a result, costs to condition the living space often go up after 
>> doing this, not down.
>> 
>> So he cautioned me to seal up the house as best I could and then put an 
>> attic fan in, as long as the attic is properly ventilated (which is already 
>> was.)
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:00 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> In my former house I went in the attic and caulked all the wall and 
>>> wallboard joints, sealed the light fixtures, and caulked all holes for 
>>> wiring, etc.  Made a big difference. The interior walls act like chimneys 
>>> and pull air in from the outside. The results are amazing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Sent: July 20, 2019 7:37 PM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test Message
>>> 
>>> Plenty of blow-in over the conditioned air space. I also went through the 
>>> house when we moved in and sealed every possible crack, joint or 
>>> penetration in the walls and ceilings. Had a blower door test done 
>>> afterwards and the guy said it was one of the tightest homes he had ever 
>>> tested. Definitely cut a good 10%-15% on our cooling costs.
>>> 
>>> There’s no cheaper gain in efficiency than to go around and seal up all the 
>>> openings in a house. Amazing how much conditioned air escapes around things 
>>> like light fixtures in the ceiling, for example.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Sloppy construction

Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 7/20/19 7:22 PM:

It always puzzled me why in southern climates the use of insulation is minimal. 
I mean, yeah you don't get sub zero temps, but a/c is expensive to run also. I 
suppose air infiltration is an issue too. Gotta keep the heat out and the cool 
in. Cost recovery too long perhaps?


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: July 20, 2019 7:10 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test Message

No insulation, just a little bit of decking for storage.

Until recently it wasn’t an option as we stored stuff up there. I’ve moved 
nearly everything out and into a storage unit off site, so I could probably do 
it now.

-D



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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

When we built our house in TN we insulated the  hell out of  it.  R squared

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 9:42 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> At one point in one of the southern states there was a legal limit to the
> amount of insulation a home was allowed to have. I don't remember why but
> there was some outrage over it...
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 8:23 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   It always puzzled me why in southern
> climates the use of insulation is minimal. I mean, yeah you don't get sub
> zero temps, but a/c is expensive to run also. I suppose air infiltration is
> an issue too. Gotta keep the heat out and the cool in. Cost recovery too
> long perhaps?
>
>
> Rick
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: July 20, 2019 7:10 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test Message
>
> No insulation, just a little bit of decking for storage.
>
> Until recently it wasn’t an option as we stored stuff up there. I’ve moved
> nearly everything out and into a storage unit off site, so I could probably
> do it now.
>
> -D
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

At one point in one of the southern states there was a legal limit to the 
amount of insulation a home was allowed to have. I don't remember why but there 
was some outrage over it...
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 8:23 PM, Rick Knoble via 
Mercedes wrote:   It always puzzled me why in southern 
climates the use of insulation is minimal. I mean, yeah you don't get sub zero 
temps, but a/c is expensive to run also. I suppose air infiltration is an issue 
too. Gotta keep the heat out and the cool in. Cost recovery too long perhaps?


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: July 20, 2019 7:10 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test Message

No insulation, just a little bit of decking for storage.

Until recently it wasn’t an option as we stored stuff up there. I’ve moved 
nearly everything out and into a storage unit off site, so I could probably do 
it now.

-D



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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Exactly.  Also, add-on fans can disrupt the normal "eves-to-ridge" thermosiphon 
that's supposed to ventilate the attic.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 9:08 PM
> To: Okie Benz 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test Message
> 
> My former next door neighbor is a “forensic HVAC investigator”. In other
> words, he works for insurance companies, identifying the part HVAC systems
> play in losses their insureds encounter. I had been talking to him about 
> putting
> a solar powered attic fan in the house to get the attic temperatures down. He
> told me that before I did anything like that I should seal the “envelope” as
> tightly as I possibly could.
> 
> Seems that people will go and put an attic fan in, thinking it will reduce the
> heat load on the living space by making the attic cooler. In reality, what 
> often
> happens (according to him) is that the attic fan creates a negative pressure 
> in
> the attic, which sucks conditioned air out of the living space through all the
> little racks and gaps that exist in every house. As a result, costs to 
> condition the
> living space often go up after doing this, not down.
> 
> So he cautioned me to seal up the house as best I could and then put an attic
> fan in, as long as the attic is properly ventilated (which is already was.)
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:00 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > In my former house I went in the attic and caulked all the wall and 
> > wallboard
> joints, sealed the light fixtures, and caulked all holes for wiring, etc.  
> Made a big
> difference. The interior walls act like chimneys and pull air in from the 
> outside.
> The results are amazing.
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Sent: July 20, 2019 7:37 PM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: d...@penoff.com
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test Message
> >
> > Plenty of blow-in over the conditioned air space. I also went through the
> house when we moved in and sealed every possible crack, joint or penetration
> in the walls and ceilings. Had a blower door test done afterwards and the guy
> said it was one of the tightest homes he had ever tested. Definitely cut a 
> good
> 10%-15% on our cooling costs.
> >
> > There’s no cheaper gain in efficiency than to go around and seal up all the
> openings in a house. Amazing how much conditioned air escapes around
> things like light fixtures in the ceiling, for example.
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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

My former next door neighbor is a “forensic HVAC investigator”. In other words, 
he works for insurance companies, identifying the part HVAC systems play in 
losses their insureds encounter. I had been talking to him about putting a 
solar powered attic fan in the house to get the attic temperatures down. He 
told me that before I did anything like that I should seal the “envelope” as 
tightly as I possibly could.

Seems that people will go and put an attic fan in, thinking it will reduce the 
heat load on the living space by making the attic cooler. In reality, what 
often happens (according to him) is that the attic fan creates a negative 
pressure in the attic, which sucks conditioned air out of the living space 
through all the little racks and gaps that exist in every house. As a result, 
costs to condition the living space often go up after doing this, not down.

So he cautioned me to seal up the house as best I could and then put an attic 
fan in, as long as the attic is properly ventilated (which is already was.)

-D

> On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:00 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> In my former house I went in the attic and caulked all the wall and wallboard 
> joints, sealed the light fixtures, and caulked all holes for wiring, etc.  
> Made a big difference. The interior walls act like chimneys and pull air in 
> from the outside. The results are amazing.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: July 20, 2019 7:37 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test Message
> 
> Plenty of blow-in over the conditioned air space. I also went through the 
> house when we moved in and sealed every possible crack, joint or penetration 
> in the walls and ceilings. Had a blower door test done afterwards and the guy 
> said it was one of the tightest homes he had ever tested. Definitely cut a 
> good 10%-15% on our cooling costs.
> 
> There’s no cheaper gain in efficiency than to go around and seal up all the 
> openings in a house. Amazing how much conditioned air escapes around things 
> like light fixtures in the ceiling, for example.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

In my former house I went in the attic and caulked all the wall and wallboard 
joints, sealed the light fixtures, and caulked all holes for wiring, etc.  Made 
a big difference. The interior walls act like chimneys and pull air in from the 
outside. The results are amazing.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: July 20, 2019 7:37 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test Message

Plenty of blow-in over the conditioned air space. I also went through the house 
when we moved in and sealed every possible crack, joint or penetration in the 
walls and ceilings. Had a blower door test done afterwards and the guy said it 
was one of the tightest homes he had ever tested. Definitely cut a good 10%-15% 
on our cooling costs.

There’s no cheaper gain in efficiency than to go around and seal up all the 
openings in a house. Amazing how much conditioned air escapes around things 
like light fixtures in the ceiling, for example.

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Plenty of blow-in over the conditioned air space. I also went through the house 
when we moved in and sealed every possible crack, joint or penetration in the 
walls and ceilings. Had a blower door test done afterwards and the guy said it 
was one of the tightest homes he had ever tested. Definitely cut a good 10%-15% 
on our cooling costs.

There’s no cheaper gain in efficiency than to go around and seal up all the 
openings in a house. Amazing how much conditioned air escapes around things 
like light fixtures in the ceiling, for example.

-D


> On Jul 20, 2019, at 8:22 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It always puzzled me why in southern climates the use of insulation is 
> minimal. I mean, yeah you don't get sub zero temps, but a/c is expensive to 
> run also. I suppose air infiltration is an issue too. Gotta keep the heat out 
> and the cool in. Cost recovery too long perhaps?
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: July 20, 2019 7:10 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test Message
> 
> No insulation, just a little bit of decking for storage.
> 
> Until recently it wasn’t an option as we stored stuff up there. I’ve moved 
> nearly everything out and into a storage unit off site, so I could probably 
> do it now.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

It always puzzled me why in southern climates the use of insulation is minimal. 
I mean, yeah you don't get sub zero temps, but a/c is expensive to run also. I 
suppose air infiltration is an issue too. Gotta keep the heat out and the cool 
in. Cost recovery too long perhaps?


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: July 20, 2019 7:10 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test Message

No insulation, just a little bit of decking for storage.

Until recently it wasn’t an option as we stored stuff up there. I’ve moved 
nearly everything out and into a storage unit off site, so I could probably do 
it now.

-D



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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No insulation, just a little bit of decking for storage.

Until recently it wasn’t an option as we stored stuff up there. I’ve moved 
nearly everything out and into a storage unit off site, so I could probably do 
it now.

-D


> On Jul 20, 2019, at 7:28 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Check for insulation in the ceiling too, often they don't put in any for an 
> attached garage (which is silly, why would you want a roasting hot garage 
> next the the house?).
> 
> My brother put some in his a couple years ago, and it drops the summer temp 
> quite a bit, and the washer doesn't freeze anymore in the winter.
> 
> Insulating the door is a great idea, it's not very expensive and does quite a 
> bit to cool it off, especially if it faces south or west.
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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> They make 'indestructible' model aircraft out of EPP (expanded
> polypropylene?). Blue board is EPS, polystyrene, styrofoam. When you
> squish it it doesn't bounce back.

That's why I said it was fragile. It tears, too.


Craig

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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 20, 2019 at 7:47 PM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
>  
> Would some rigid board insulation be suitable? I'm thinking the blue Dow
> styrofoam boards would be too fragile, but I have in the past seen some
> which was tougher than that and even more flexible. I do not, however,
> recall what it was called.
> 

They make 'indestructible' model aircraft out of EPP (expanded polypropylene?).
Blue board is EPS, polystyrene, styrofoam. When you squish it it doesn't bounce 
back.

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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:28:11 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Check for insulation in the ceiling too, often they don't put in any
> for an attached garage (which is silly, why would you want a roasting
> hot garage next the the house?).
> 
> My brother put some in his a couple years ago, and it drops the summer
> temp quite a bit, and the washer doesn't freeze anymore in the winter.

When we lived in Austin, Texas, I helped our landlord put insulation in
the garage's ceiling. Like your brother, Peter, we found it was quite
helpful.


> Insulating the door is a great idea, it's not very expensive and does
> quite a bit to cool it off, especially if it faces south or west.

Would some rigid board insulation be suitable? I'm thinking the blue Dow
styrofoam boards would be too fragile, but I have in the past seen some
which was tougher than that and even more flexible. I do not, however,
recall what it was called.


Craig

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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:11:49 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> If I insulated my garage door it would probably be even better, as a
> LOT of heat passes through it. I can stand by it late in the afternoon
> with the garage AC on and feel the higher temperatures within a foot or
> two of it.

It does sound like it's time for some insulation!

Our Big Room is insulated, but it heats up quite noticably during the day
while the Long Room, where we live, stays cool. I'm thinking the
translucent "skylights" are a significant contributor to that.

At night, it's the reverse, so I open the door between the rooms to let
the cooler air from the Big Room flow into the Long Room.


Craig

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[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Check for insulation in the ceiling too, often they don't put in any for an 
attached garage (which is silly, why would you want a roasting hot garage next 
the the house?).

My brother put some in his a couple years ago, and it drops the summer temp 
quite a bit, and the washer doesn't freeze anymore in the winter.

Insulating the door is a great idea, it's not very expensive and does quite a 
bit to cool it off, especially if it faces south or west.
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I just snagged the biggest window unit (12,000 BTU?) I could off of Craigslist 
and popped it in the window. I had to run a circuit over to that side of the 
garage from my distribution panel which is on the opposite wall of the garage 
and add a breaker to the panel.

I have an slightly oversize two car garage. In 90 degree heat like today, I had 
the boy roll his car in about 9:00 am and turn on the AC. By 10:00 it was 
pretty comfortable. It’s not so much the temp, but taking the humidity out 
really makes it so, so much better. Otherwise we would be sweating our brains 
out and soaking wet.

My electric bill is getting hammered by it, but I don’t care. I noticed that my 
bill was up to $190 for last month, but considering the time of year and the 
amount of time I ran the thing I’m not at all unhappy. Without the garage AC I 
think the bill would have been more in the $160-$170 range, so $20-$30 is a 
small price to pay for making it possible to work in the garage this time of 
year without being totally miserable.

If I insulated my garage door it would probably be even better, as a LOT of 
heat passes through it. I can stand by it late in the afternoon with the garage 
AC on and feel the higher temperatures within a foot or two of it.

-D

> On Jul 20, 2019, at 7:03 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm really thinking about adding AC to my garage.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> On July 20, 2019 2:46:30 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Low 90s and high humidity. Storms after 4:00 pm.
>> 
>> Welcome to Florida in the summer. Glad I have AC in the garage. Made
>> working on the E300D this morning a real pleasure.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 


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[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I'm really thinking about adding AC to my garage.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On July 20, 2019 2:46:30 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Low 90s and high humidity. Storms after 4:00 pm.
>
>Welcome to Florida in the summer. Glad I have AC in the garage. Made
>working on the E300D this morning a real pleasure.
>
>-D
>
>
>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> It has been creeping around 20c the past few days in ANC.  Still a
>bit too warm for the boys and girls fighting wildfires.  Today will be
>a stretch to make 15c and that will bring more smoke?  Not sure how
>that functions.  No cars to work on, little in the way of yard to screw
>with, been rather moist in SEA, so I will probably have tall grass to
>mow when I return in a week.
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s supposed to be 97 here today with a heat index of 112. I’m
>probably not going to work on cars today. Taking a break until tomorrow
>> 
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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 16:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > On July 20, 2019 at 4:09 PM Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 95°F
> > 
> > Humidity13%
> > Wind Speed  Calm
> > Barometer   30.11 in
> > Dewpoint37°F (3°C)
> 
> I'd rather have 95 with 37 dewpoint than 92 with 80 dewpoint.


From http://www.shorstmeyer.com/wxfaqs/humidity/humidity.html

Dew Point Relative Humidity
Temp. F   Human PerceptionFor Air Temp 90 F   

75+Extremely uncomfortable, oppressive62%

70 - 74Very Humid, quite uncomfortable52% - 60%

65 - 69Somewhat uncomfortable for most people
   at upper limit 44% - 52%

60 - 64OK for most, but everyone perceives37% - 46%
   the humidity at upper limit

55 - 59Comfortable31% - 41%

50 - 54Very comfortable   31% - 37%

49 or lowerFeels like the western US  30%
   a bit dry to some


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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 20, 2019 at 4:09 PM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 95°F
> 
> Humidity  13%
> Wind SpeedCalm
> Barometer 30.11 in
> Dewpoint  37°F (3°C)

I'd rather have 95 with 37 dewpoint than 92 with 80 dewpoint.

Mitch

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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 14:46:30 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Low 90s and high humidity. Storms after 4:00 pm.
> 
> Welcome to Florida in the summer. Glad I have AC in the garage. Made
> working on the E300D this morning a real pleasure.


Current conditions at
Moriarty Municipal Airport (K0E0)
Lat: 34.98°N  Lon: 106°W   Elev: 6178ft.

Fair

95°F

Humidity13%
Wind Speed  Calm
Barometer   30.11 in
Dewpoint37°F (3°C)
Visibility  10.00 mi
Heat Index  90°F (32°C)
Last update 20 Jul 1:55 pm MDT 


I'm working on the E300D in the Big Room ...


Craig

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Agreed.

When everyone around here is complaining about how hot and humid it is, I’m 
wondering how it’s any worse that when I was a kid growing up in the Midwest.

Central Indiana in the mid to late summer was just this bad, so humid it was 
like getting poured into a bucket. And when we were working in August in the 
field, like baling hay, we were wearing jeans and long sleeved shirts! I can 
even begin to describe what it was like working in greenhouses during that time 
of year, especially when we were closed up tight and sterilizing the beds with 
live steam...

I will say that it did cool down somewhat at night, but the days were just as 
blistering hot and humid as they are now.

-D

> On Jul 20, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> that is just a normal summer day for most of the country.  I don't know what 
> all the whining is about.  105, Yeah, I'd whine too.   But yesterday was 
> around 90 in WI and NWS sent out warnings that sounded like it had never been 
> 90  in central WI before!   Normal is "abnormal"   abnormal is "normal" 
> Antifacist is facist  someone or some people is/are trying to turn everything 
> upside down.   Read Dr. Zhivago.   (its not in the movie)
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 7/20/19 1:46 PM:
>> Low 90s and high humidity. Storms after 4:00 pm.
>> 
>> Welcome to Florida in the summer. Glad I have AC in the garage. Made working 
>> on the E300D this morning a real pleasure.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
> 
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

that is just a normal summer day for most of the country.  I don't know 
what all the whining is about.  105, Yeah, I'd whine too.   But 
yesterday was around 90 in WI and NWS sent out warnings that sounded 
like it had never been 90  in central WI before!   Normal is 
"abnormal"   abnormal is "normal" Antifacist is facist  someone or some 
people is/are trying to turn everything upside down.   Read Dr. 
Zhivago.   (its not in the movie)


Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 7/20/19 1:46 PM:

Low 90s and high humidity. Storms after 4:00 pm.

Welcome to Florida in the summer. Glad I have AC in the garage. Made working on 
the E300D this morning a real pleasure.

-D




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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Low 90s and high humidity. Storms after 4:00 pm.

Welcome to Florida in the summer. Glad I have AC in the garage. Made working on 
the E300D this morning a real pleasure.

-D


> On Jul 20, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It has been creeping around 20c the past few days in ANC.  Still a bit too 
> warm for the boys and girls fighting wildfires.  Today will be a stretch to 
> make 15c and that will bring more smoke?  Not sure how that functions.  No 
> cars to work on, little in the way of yard to screw with, been rather moist 
> in SEA, so I will probably have tall grass to mow when I return in a week.
> 
> 
> clay
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s supposed to be 97 here today with a heat index of 112. I’m probably not 
>> going to work on cars today. Taking a break until tomorrow
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[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

It has been creeping around 20c the past few days in ANC.  Still a bit too warm 
for the boys and girls fighting wildfires.  Today will be a stretch to make 15c 
and that will bring more smoke?  Not sure how that functions.  No cars to work 
on, little in the way of yard to screw with, been rather moist in SEA, so I 
will probably have tall grass to mow when I return in a week.


clay

> On Jul 20, 2019, at 7:01 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It’s supposed to be 97 here today with a heat index of 112. I’m probably not 
> going to work on cars today. Taking a break until tomorrow

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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Steve ran his Metz-Weiss semi-diesel this morning, big fun preheating that at 
90F in the barn...
Curt

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  On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 7:57 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:  
 After today we've got several days of highs in the 70s and lows in the 50s.
But I'm guessing that won't hit you until Monday. 
Mitch. 
> On July 20, 2019 at 7:38 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> We're at a Coleman gathering in Whately MA. My buddy Steve and his dad run 
> the Whately engine museum.Tonight we've got a wedding.Both are extra fun at 
> 90F...
> 
> Curt
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[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Here in the PNW temps are in the 50s. This week it will be clear skies with 
lows in the 50s and highs in the 80s. Perfect!

Greg

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We're at a Coleman gathering in Whately MA. My buddy Steve and his dad run the 
Whately engine museum.Tonight we've got a wedding.Both are extra fun at 90F...

Curt

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> On July 20, 2019 at 10:24 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I want to move in with Mitch right away. Where are you, Mitch?

94°F today, cold front coming soon.
https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/charlotte-mi/48813/hourly-weather-forecast/21250_pc

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It’s supposed to be 97 here today with a heat index of 112. I’m probably not 
going to work on cars today. Taking a break until tomorrow 

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> On Jul 20, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
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> 
> 92F here already.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 7:39 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> We're at a Coleman gathering in Whately MA. My buddy Steve and his dad run
>> the Whately engine museum.Tonight we've got a wedding.Both are extra fun at
>> 90F...
>> 
>> Curt
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>>  On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 7:05 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Just Checking…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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You failed. 

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> Just Checking…
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> -D
> 
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I had to use the heater on Thursday.

-- Jim


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I want to move in with Mitch right away. Where are you, Mitch?

Andrew in sweltering DC.

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> 92F here already.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 7:39 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > We're at a Coleman gathering in Whately MA. My buddy Steve and his dad
> run
> > the Whately engine museum.Tonight we've got a wedding.Both are extra fun
> at
> > 90F...
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> >   On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 7:05 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Just Checking…
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92F here already.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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> We're at a Coleman gathering in Whately MA. My buddy Steve and his dad run
> the Whately engine museum.Tonight we've got a wedding.Both are extra fun at
> 90F...
>
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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I didn’t drive the $500E300 to KY yesterday like I had planned to do 

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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

After today we've got several days of highs in the 70s and lows in the 50s.
But I'm guessing that won't hit you until Monday. 
Mitch. 
> On July 20, 2019 at 7:38 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> We're at a Coleman gathering in Whately MA. My buddy Steve and his dad run 
> the Whately engine museum.Tonight we've got a wedding.Both are extra fun at 
> 90F...
> 
> Curt
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

We're at a Coleman gathering in Whately MA. My buddy Steve and his dad run the 
Whately engine museum.Tonight we've got a wedding.Both are extra fun at 90F...

Curt

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Just Checking…

-D


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I’ve sent some messages to the list today but it’s not showing up.

??

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, it looks like it was just a single message I sent with a link to my web 
site with pictures of the car.  Didn’t find it in the OkieBenz byte bucket, but 
it didn’t appear to be going through.  I appended it to the radio thread and it 
went through.

Weird.

-D


> On Sep 30, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
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> About the radio and new car? I saw those.
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> On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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> I’ve sent some messages to the list today but it’s not showing up.
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> ??
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[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

About the radio and new car? I saw those.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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[MBZ] Test Message

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve sent some messages to the list today but it’s not showing up.

??

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I know - but my free association leapt to Gary - - -


Here is my process:

U2
Shot down
Francis Gary Powers


I had an intermediate step, but went to the same place.

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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I know - but my free association leapt to Gary - - -

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 1:07 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> No.  You, also.  I. e., "Good morning."
>
> Wilton
>

-- 
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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[WILTON via Mercedes]

No.  You, also.  I. e., "Good morning."

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "OK Don" <okd...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test Message



Gary Powers?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:24 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>

wrote:


U2

Wilt





--
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few 
who

learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
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1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Wrong way Corrigan?

Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.


From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of OK Don via Mercedes 
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Sent: 20 March 2016 17:57
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Cc: OK Don
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test Message

Gary Powers?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:24 AM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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> U2
>
> Wilt
>
OK Don
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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

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Gary Powers?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:24 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> U2
>
> Wilt
>
>


-- 
OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
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1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

You failed 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2016, at 8:29 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> Just testing some mail settings.
> 
> Morning, everyone!
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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[WILTON via Mercedes]

U2

Wilt


- Original Message - 
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To: <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: <d...@penoff.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 9:29 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Test Message



Just testing some mail settings.

Morning, everyone!

Dan
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[MBZ] Test Message

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just testing some mail settings.
 
Morning, everyone!
 
Dan
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Testing due to a domain transfer

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎You passed... Or failed... Or whatever the correct / incorrect response is...

Rick 
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.


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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

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Test received.
On Aug 16, 2014 2:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
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 Testing due to a domain transfer

 Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

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On 8/16/2014 2:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Testing due to a domain transfer

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks everyone.  I see my message so my alternate email is working.

Gotta get away from the Germans at 11.  After over two weeks of their MX 
servers being blocked by everyone because of spam I just had to move my hosting 
and domains elsewhere.

I'm transferring voer to GoDaddy.  At least they're somewhat local and have 
decent support.

Dan

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 Testing due to a domain transfer
 
 Dan
 
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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

You failed

Sent from my iPhone

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 Testing due to a domain transfer
 
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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 15:15:46 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
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 Thanks everyone.  I see my message so my alternate email is working.
 
 Gotta get away from the Germans at 11.  After over two weeks of their
 MX servers being blocked by everyone because of spam I just had to move
 my hosting and domains elsewhere.

That is the reason I left 11 as well. I could not send messages to
ornl.gov because of the spam their servers sent; they refused to
acknowledge the problem as theirs and refused to do anything.


 I'm transferring voer to GoDaddy.  At least they're somewhat local and
 have decent support.

I transferred to www.swcp.com; they are somewhat local and have
outstanding support. We will stay with them when we move.


Craig

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[MBZ] test message

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I need some replied to this message to see what happens.

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Re: [MBZ] test message

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Here ya go

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] test message

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It appears with it setup this way replies to the list are going back to 
the poster instead of to the list.  That will not work.  For example, in 
this reply, when I hit reply, it was only sending back to Dan, I had to 
hit reply all to reply back to dan and the list.


On 7/13/2014 1:33 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Here ya go

Dan


On Jul 13, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


I need some replied to this message to see what happens.

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Re: [MBZ] test message

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

---BeginMessage---
Came through loud and clear...



 From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 2:32 PM
Subject: [MBZ] test message
 

     I need some replied to this message to see what happens.

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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

---BeginMessage---
Came through loud and clear...



 From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 2:32 PM
Subject: [MBZ] test message
 

     I need some replied to this message to see what happens.

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Re: [MBZ] test message

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

---BeginMessage---
Mine replies to both you and the list.



 From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] test message
 

It appears with it setup this way replies to the list are going back to 
the poster instead of to the list.  That will not work.  For example, in 
this reply, when I hit reply, it was only sending back to Dan, I had to 
hit reply all to reply back to dan and the list.




On 7/13/2014 1:33 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
 Here ya go

 Dan


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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

     I need some replied to this message to see what happens.

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Re: [MBZ] test message

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

---BeginMessage---
So the problem is going to be when people reply its only going to back 
to who sent it, unless they remember to hit reply all.  I think this is 
going to end up causing more problems than it fixed.


On 7/13/2014 1:43 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Came through loud and clear...


*From:* Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
*To:* Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
*Sent:* Sunday, July 13, 2014 2:32 PM
*Subject:* [MBZ] test message

I need some replied to this message to see what happens.

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