Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Seller claims he would take it on a "long drive" without hesitation.

He's a Jag owner.  So that's what, across town?

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 Bentley for $6300

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So would you turn down a gifted Bentley?

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> I SWAG [scientific wild ass guess] that Bently parts cost is equal to Benz
> parts times six, plus delivery time lapse of times 7.
> Bently / Rolls are not production line cars but built one at a time [in
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> > > The air conditioning is inoperative.  The seller notes that the air
> > > conditioning compressor was replaced
> > >
> > > These most like surpass an old Benz as a time and money sink with
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> > >
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> > > On 7/25/24 3:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] Klebmobile Alert!!

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Yeah, whatever he’s describing there just doesn’t add up.

-D

> On Jul 25, 2024, at 6:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> It jumped time when I saw it, so the valves would have to be bent. He 
> probably put it back together then discovered it won’t run because of bent 
> valves. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 8:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What? Too expensive for your tastes or he wouldn’t deal? I’m not sure I 
>> understand the description - he’s done the cams but not set the timing? How 
>> does that work??
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 6:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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>>> Yea I bought a parts car off this guy. I have seen this car and it’s a 
>>> $1200 car.
>>> 
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> On Jul 25, 2024, at 8:10 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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 https://www.benzworld.org/posts/18793961/
 
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Re: [MBZ] Klebmobile Alert!!

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It jumped time when I saw it, so the valves would have to be bent. He probably 
put it back together then discovered it won’t run because of bent valves. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2024, at 8:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> 
> What? Too expensive for your tastes or he wouldn’t deal? I’m not sure I 
> understand the description - he’s done the cams but not set the timing? How 
> does that work??
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 6:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yea I bought a parts car off this guy. I have seen this car and it’s a $1200 
>> car.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 25, 2024, at 8:10 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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>>> https://www.benzworld.org/posts/18793961/
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Re: [MBZ] Klebmobile Alert!!

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What? Too expensive for your tastes or he wouldn’t deal? I’m not sure I 
understand the description - he’s done the cams but not set the timing? How 
does that work??

-D

> On Jul 25, 2024, at 6:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Yea I bought a parts car off this guy. I have seen this car and it’s a $1200 
> car. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 8:10 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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>> https://www.benzworld.org/posts/18793961/
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Re: [MBZ] Klebmobile Alert!!

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea I bought a parts car off this guy. I have seen this car and it’s a $1200 
car. 

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

This system came out while I was in trade school. Not much had trickled down to 
us about it, as it wa just ocming out in new cars, but we got some examples 
loaned to us from the GM regional office.

It was amazing for the time, but all we could think about when we saw it was to 
wonder how easily it could be adapted/retrofitted to a carbureted engine.

Kind of like HEI ignition systems, but those were a far better idea and better 
executed, too.

-D

> On Jul 25, 2024, at 5:21 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
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> 
> https://youtu.be/5QbP5YwGsT4?si=atr_5ykLysWnaSAF
> In case it doesn't jump to the right place you want to be at 15:31 when he 
> removes the air cleaner.
> Curt
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>  On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 5:26 PM, Craig wrote:   On 
> Thu, 25 Jul 2024 14:21:18 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
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>> IIRC '89 would already have the Terminator broccoli injection system.
>> While not super efficient it was pretty reliable... Curt
> 
> "Terminator broccoli injection system"?!
> 
> What in the world is that?
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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

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https://youtu.be/5QbP5YwGsT4?si=atr_5ykLysWnaSAF
In case it doesn't jump to the right place you want to be at 15:31 when he 
removes the air cleaner.
Curt

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  On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 5:26 PM, Craig wrote:   On 
Thu, 25 Jul 2024 14:21:18 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
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> IIRC '89 would already have the Terminator broccoli injection system.
> While not super efficient it was pretty reliable... Curt

"Terminator broccoli injection system"?!

What in the world is that?


Craig
  
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Re: [MBZ] Nicely sorted Heckflosse on BAT

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

You know I did. All it needed was a Helicoil in one cylinder and it was a solid 
example. I think I’m more disappointed in what happened to it than not getting 
it.

-D

> On Jul 25, 2024, at 3:34 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Oh you wanted that Knutsack car?
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>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 5:27 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Always wanted a 230, never could find a decent one. The one W110 I searched 
>> for years for and never found. Except for the one that OkieBoy stole out 
>> from under me from Knutsack.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 14 minutes left…..at $7,100….
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jul 25, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] Nicely sorted Heckflosse on BAT

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Oh you wanted that Knutsack car?

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> On Jul 25, 2024, at 5:27 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> Always wanted a 230, never could find a decent one. The one W110 I searched 
> for years for and never found. Except for the one that OkieBoy stole out from 
> under me from Knutsack.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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>> 14 minutes left…..at $7,100….
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Nicely sorted Heckflosse on BAT

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This example only went to $7100 and I guess the owner still had it. 

AZBob

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> On Jul 25, 2024, at 3:27 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> Always wanted a 230, never could find a decent one. The one W110 I searched 
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> under me from Knutsack.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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>> 14 minutes left…..at $7,100….
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Nicely sorted Heckflosse on BAT

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Always wanted a 230, never could find a decent one. The one W110 I searched for 
years for and never found. Except for the one that OkieBoy stole out from under 
me from Knutsack.

-D

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> 14 minutes left…..at $7,100….
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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

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On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 14:21:18 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
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> IIRC '89 would already have the Terminator broccoli injection system.
> While not super efficient it was pretty reliable... Curt

"Terminator broccoli injection system"?!

What in the world is that?


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Re: [MBZ] Nicely sorted Heckflosse on BAT

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14 minutes left…..at $7,100….

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 Bentley for $6300

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I SWAG [scientific wild ass guess] that Bently parts cost is equal to Benz
parts times six, plus delivery time lapse of times 7.
Bently / Rolls are not production line cars but built one at a time [in
principle] so the supply chain for replacement spares is anemic when
compared to high volume production..
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> The price of luxury...
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:18 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] AMG Ingenieur?

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Interesting car. Some guys go crazy over the watches

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On 7/25/24 3:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

wtf.
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 Bentley for $6300

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The price of luxury...

On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:18 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> The air conditioning is inoperative.  The seller notes that the air
> conditioning compressor was replaced
>
> These most like surpass an old Benz as a time and money sink with
> constant repairs required
>
> --FT
>
> On 7/25/24 3:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 Bentley for $6300

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It does look quite nice

--FT

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The price of luxury...

On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:18 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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The air conditioning is inoperative.  The seller notes that the air
conditioning compressor was replaced

These most like surpass an old Benz as a time and money sink with
constant repairs required

--FT

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> Half a dozen cows gave their lives for that interior. Seems like
a steal.
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 Bentley for $6300

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The air conditioning is inoperative.  The seller notes that the air 
conditioning compressor was replaced


These most like surpass an old Benz as a time and money sink with 
constant repairs required


--FT

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Half a dozen cows gave their lives for that interior.  Seems like a steal.
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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240E - 125k miles - $11,900

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That is because the one interior pic is of a 107.

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> Gray market car. Manual climate controls and dash vents are both Euro items. 
> Never seen a clock in the center like that, however.
> 
> -D
> 
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>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 11:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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>> Very rare with but does it have the Zundfolge engine?
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 12:44 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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>>> I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 240 gasser
>>> 
>>> --FT
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 AC does not work. Wrong steering wheel.
 
 Crazy price.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240E - 125k miles - $11,900

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Gray market car. Manual climate controls and dash vents are both Euro items. 
Never seen a clock in the center like that, however.

-D



> On Jul 25, 2024, at 11:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Very rare with but does it have the Zundfolge engine?
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>> I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 240 gasser
>> 
>> --FT
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>>> AC does not work. Wrong steering wheel.
>>> 
>>> Crazy price.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240E - 125k miles - $11,900

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It has the rare 107 interior.

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> On Jul 25, 2024, at 2:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Very rare with but does it have the Zundfolge engine?
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 12:44 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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>> I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 240 gasser
>> 
>> --FT
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>>> AC does not work. Wrong steering wheel.
>>> 
>>> Crazy price.
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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240E - 125k miles - $11,900

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Very rare with but does it have the Zundfolge engine?

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> I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 240 gasser
>
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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

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On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 08:11:05 -0400 mitch--- via Mercedes
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> But, if I had a 1989 Chevy, would I just throw a junkyard 350 in it, or 
> would I computerize it and upgrade to an LS something with a modern 
> transmission?
> I'm thinking that even at 60% of the MPG the 350 is the economical 
> choice.

With its 4.3 l V-6, it got about 15 mpg.

What kind of fuel mileage would a 350 get?

Is it a situation like the two Willys Utility wagons I owned in Colorado,
where the one with the Ford 302 V-8 got much better mileage and had more
power than the one with the Hurrican in-line 6?


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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240E - 125k miles - $11,900

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I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 240 gasser

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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

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IIRC '89 would already have the Terminator broccoli injection system. While not 
super efficient it was pretty reliable...
Curt

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  On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 8:12 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes 
wrote:   On 2024-07-24 19:59, Craig via Mercedes wrote:


> Well, I'm looking for something to put in my '89 Chevy van, which did
> come with V-8s from the factory.
> 

In 1989, it was a SBC, not even a LT-1.
For the last 25 years or so the new ones have been LS series, and a 
great improvement, with the exception of the cylinder deactivation 
models and bad valve trains.

But, if I had a 1989 Chevy, would I just throw a junkyard 350 in it, or 
would I computerize it and upgrade to an LS something with a modern 
transmission?
I'm thinking that even at 60% of the MPG the 350 is the economical 
choice.


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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

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On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:52:35 -0400 mitch--- via Mercedes
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Holy cow, look at what a lowly Ace sells for.
I'm thinking that if Carrol Shelby never stuck a Ford V8 in an Ace and
called it a Cobra, these things would not go for six digits.
Same goes for Alpines. If not for the Tigers, Alpines would probably
sell like MGBs.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1958-ac-ace-2/



High BidUSD $260,000 (Reserve Not Met)


I found one that sold.
Looks just like a 289 Cobra, but it's from 1956 with a 2.0L Bristol I-6.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1956-ac-bristol-roadster/
Sold for $410,000

They made 460 Aces with Bristol engines, so the Ace-Bristol is more rare 
than a 427 Cobra.


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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

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On 2024-07-24 19:59, Craig via Mercedes wrote:



Well, I'm looking for something to put in my '89 Chevy van, which did
come with V-8s from the factory.



In 1989, it was a SBC, not even a LT-1.
For the last 25 years or so the new ones have been LS series, and a 
great improvement, with the exception of the cylinder deactivation 
models and bad valve trains.


But, if I had a 1989 Chevy, would I just throw a junkyard 350 in it, or 
would I computerize it and upgrade to an LS something with a modern 
transmission?
I'm thinking that even at 60% of the MPG the 350 is the economical 
choice.



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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

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I met this guy in Boston a coupla times who had an AC Aceca which was even more 
rare (rarer). It was a very cute little car.  He had bought it in England for 
not very much when it was basically just another little British sports car that 
was not particularly outstanding. 

—FT

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> On Jul 24, 2024, at 5:53 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Holy cow, look at what a lowly Ace sells for.
> I'm thinking that if Carrol Shelby never stuck a Ford V8 in an Ace and called 
> it a Cobra, these things would not go for six digits.
> Same goes for Alpines. If not for the Tigers, Alpines would probably sell 
> like MGBs.
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1958-ac-ace-2/
> 
> And Craig, nobody puts a SBC in anything anymore.
> The phrase of the century is "LS Swap It"
> http://jaguarspecialties.com/XJ6C-P1.asp
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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

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On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:52:35 -0400 mitch--- via Mercedes
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> Holy cow, look at what a lowly Ace sells for.
> I'm thinking that if Carrol Shelby never stuck a Ford V8 in an Ace and 
> called it a Cobra, these things would not go for six digits.
> Same goes for Alpines. If not for the Tigers, Alpines would probably 
> sell like MGBs.
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1958-ac-ace-2/


High BidUSD $260,000 (Reserve Not Met) 


> And Craig, nobody puts a SBC in anything anymore.
> The phrase of the century is "LS Swap It"
> http://jaguarspecialties.com/XJ6C-P1.asp

Oh.


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Re: [MBZ] SBCs

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On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 14:37:16 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
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> Ohh Yee who are not faint of wallet, gaze herein for a crate chevy
> engine.
> https://www.amazon.com/s?k=crate+engines&adgrpid=1345802796424606&hvadid=84112913867128&hvbmt=bp&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=78237&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=p&hvtargid=kwd-84113019181258%3Aloc-190&hydadcr=5706_13190836&msclkid=3788369bf2371ca1b80a503a83ba133a&tag=mh0b-20&ref=pd_sl_3815tt9jw5_p

Well, Amazon is not the place I would think of for a chevy crate engine.

I did a web search and found a lot of places listing various types of
engines from about $2200 to the top of the stratosphere, as mentioned
above.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] SBCs

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Ohh Yee who are not faint of wallet, gaze herein for a crate chevy engine.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=crate+engines&adgrpid=1345802796424606&hvadid=84112913867128&hvbmt=bp&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=78237&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=p&hvtargid=kwd-84113019181258%3Aloc-190&hydadcr=5706_13190836&msclkid=3788369bf2371ca1b80a503a83ba133a&tag=mh0b-20&ref=pd_sl_3815tt9jw5_p

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> On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:24:35 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > What an anemic engine. No wonder SBC swaps are common in these cars.
> > You could easily get twice the power and torque out of a SBC.
>
> Where does one get a small block chevy engine?
>
> How much should one expect to pay?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Classic

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Is there a “Best of Facebook” like there is on Craigslist?

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

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On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 23:17:11 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
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> Good point, Mitch. It’s probably been that way for the last couple of
> decades, I’m thinking. I’ve heard the term “LS swap” a lot of times in
> the past, but since this is not something I would ever do, being a
> purist, I’ve never paid that much attention to it.

Well, I'm looking for something to put in my '89 Chevy van, which did
come with V-8s from the factory.


Craig


> > On Jul 24, 2024, at 2:52 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Holy cow, look at what a lowly Ace sells for.
> > I'm thinking that if Carrol Shelby never stuck a Ford V8 in an Ace
> > and called it a Cobra, these things would not go for six digits. Same
> > goes for Alpines. If not for the Tigers, Alpines would probably sell
> > like MGBs. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1958-ac-ace-2/
> > 
> > And Craig, nobody puts a SBC in anything anymore.
> > The phrase of the century is "LS Swap It"
> > http://jaguarspecialties.com/XJ6C-P1.asp

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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

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Vice Grip garage hilariously dropped a Hemi 5.7l into a square body Chevy. 
Apparently there is a kit.

I think the Hemi 5.7 is a better engine than the 5.3 ls. It certainly makes 
more horse power and torque in stock form.

-Curt


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Good point, Mitch. It’s probably been that way for the last couple of decades, 
I’m thinking. I’ve heard the term “LS swap” a lot of times in the past, but 
since this is not something I would ever do, being a purist, I’ve never paid 
that much attention to it.

-D

> On Jul 24, 2024, at 2:52 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Holy cow, look at what a lowly Ace sells for.
> I'm thinking that if Carrol Shelby never stuck a Ford V8 in an Ace and called 
> it a Cobra, these things would not go for six digits.
> Same goes for Alpines. If not for the Tigers, Alpines would probably sell 
> like MGBs.
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1958-ac-ace-2/
> 
> And Craig, nobody puts a SBC in anything anymore.
> The phrase of the century is "LS Swap It"
> http://jaguarspecialties.com/XJ6C-P1.asp
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

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Good point, Mitch. It’s probably been that way for the last couple of decades, 
I’m thinking. I’ve heard the term “LS swap” a lot of times in the past, but 
since this is not something I would ever do, being a purist, I’ve never paid 
that much attention to it.

-D

> On Jul 24, 2024, at 2:52 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Holy cow, look at what a lowly Ace sells for.
> I'm thinking that if Carrol Shelby never stuck a Ford V8 in an Ace and called 
> it a Cobra, these things would not go for six digits.
> Same goes for Alpines. If not for the Tigers, Alpines would probably sell 
> like MGBs.
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1958-ac-ace-2/
> 
> And Craig, nobody puts a SBC in anything anymore.
> The phrase of the century is "LS Swap It"
> http://jaguarspecialties.com/XJ6C-P1.asp
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Re: [MBZ] SBCs

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I was thinking the same - there’s got to be hundreds of builders out there 
offering SBC 350 crate engines for all sorts of applications. Dropping a 350 
SBC in a Jag was a pretty common thing back in the day. I never did it, but I 
saw cars it had been done on to varying degrees of success. I even recall a 
machinist havig quite the sideline making bell housing adapter plates for them.

-D

> On Jul 24, 2024, at 2:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well you could pull one in a junkyard for probably a coupla-few $100 and hope 
> it runs ok. Maybe build it up for more power. Or buy a crate engine for $ks 
> that is guaranteed to run and put out whatever power you want to pay for
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:24:35 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> What an anemic engine. No wonder SBC swaps are common in these cars.
>>> You could easily get twice the power and torque out of a SBC.
>> 
>> Where does one get a small block chevy engine?
>> 
>> How much should one expect to pay?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Yeah good it was bought by someone else 

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> On Jul 24, 2024, at 5:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sold for 4900. Well-bought in my opinion
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2024, 4:51 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> But it was smooth.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2024, at 15:24, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Nothing about whether it runs, and even if it did that would be
>> temporary.
>>> 
>>> What an anemic engine. No wonder SBC swaps are common in these cars.
>>> You could easily get twice the power and torque out of a SBC. M120 Benz
>>> V12s of the era are 400ish on both numbers.
>>> 
>>> The 5.3-liter V12 was factory rated at 262 horsepower and 290 lb-ft of
>> torque
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
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>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Had had thousands of $$ in repairs in recent years.  Presents well but
>> the
 BAT crowd is anything but enthusiastic.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

Holy cow, look at what a lowly Ace sells for.
I'm thinking that if Carrol Shelby never stuck a Ford V8 in an Ace and 
called it a Cobra, these things would not go for six digits.
Same goes for Alpines. If not for the Tigers, Alpines would probably 
sell like MGBs.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1958-ac-ace-2/

And Craig, nobody puts a SBC in anything anymore.
The phrase of the century is "LS Swap It"
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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

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Sold for 4900. Well-bought in my opinion

On Wed, Jul 24, 2024, 4:51 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> But it was smooth.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2024, at 15:24, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> > Nothing about whether it runs, and even if it did that would be
> temporary.
> >
> > What an anemic engine. No wonder SBC swaps are common in these cars.
> > You could easily get twice the power and torque out of a SBC. M120 Benz
> > V12s of the era are 400ish on both numbers.
> >
> > The 5.3-liter V12 was factory rated at 262 horsepower and 290 lb-ft of
> torque
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iFōn
> >
> >> On Jul 24, 2024, at 12:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Had had thousands of $$ in repairs in recent years.  Presents well but
> the
> >> BAT crowd is anything but enthusiastic.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] SBCs

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Well you could pull one in a junkyard for probably a coupla-few $100 and hope 
it runs ok. Maybe build it up for more power. Or buy a crate engine for $ks 
that is guaranteed to run and put out whatever power you want to pay for

--FT
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> On Jul 24, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:24:35 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> What an anemic engine. No wonder SBC swaps are common in these cars.
>> You could easily get twice the power and torque out of a SBC.
> 
> Where does one get a small block chevy engine?
> 
> How much should one expect to pay?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

But it was smooth.


On Wed, Jul 24, 2024, at 15:24, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> Nothing about whether it runs, and even if it did that would be temporary. 
>
> What an anemic engine. No wonder SBC swaps are common in these cars. 
> You could easily get twice the power and torque out of a SBC. M120 Benz 
> V12s of the era are 400ish on both numbers. 
>
> The 5.3-liter V12 was factory rated at 262 horsepower and 290 lb-ft of torque
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
>> On Jul 24, 2024, at 12:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Had had thousands of $$ in repairs in recent years.  Presents well but the
>> BAT crowd is anything but enthusiastic.
>> 
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-jaguar-xj-s-v12-coupe-10/
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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

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 Seller claims he would take it on a "long drive" without hesitation.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 3:25 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Nothing about whether it runs, and even if it did that would be temporary.
>
> What an anemic engine. No wonder SBC swaps are common in these cars. You
> could easily get twice the power and torque out of a SBC. M120 Benz V12s of
> the era are 400ish on both numbers.
>
> The 5.3-liter V12 was factory rated at 262 horsepower and 290 lb-ft of
> torque
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On Jul 24, 2024, at 12:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Had had thousands of $$ in repairs in recent years.  Presents well but
> the
> > BAT crowd is anything but enthusiastic.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Nothing about whether it runs, and even if it did that would be temporary. 

What an anemic engine. No wonder SBC swaps are common in these cars. You could 
easily get twice the power and torque out of a SBC. M120 Benz V12s of the era 
are 400ish on both numbers. 

The 5.3-liter V12 was factory rated at 262 horsepower and 290 lb-ft of torque

--FT
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> On Jul 24, 2024, at 12:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Had had thousands of $$ in repairs in recent years.  Presents well but the
> BAT crowd is anything but enthusiastic.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Pretty 1989 Jaguar XJS on BAT

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If it’s pre-Ford acquisition, and I think it is, run away.

-D

> On Jul 24, 2024, at 9:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> Had had thousands of $$ in repairs in recent years.  Presents well but the
> BAT crowd is anything but enthusiastic.
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Re: [MBZ] The rebuilt title is due to (briefly explain the reason for the rebuilt title, if known).2005 Mercedes-Benz e-class, $2, 000

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Other than being sideswiped this wagon is quite presentable.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 10:29 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> The car is in good condition overall with minor cosmetic imperfections.
>
> Price: Asking $2,000 or best offer. Open to negotiations but please, no
> lowball offers.
>
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Re: [MBZ] A GL

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I have never spent more than $4800 on a pre-owned vehicle (the ML I have now). 
I have always felt pretty confident, utilizing my knowledge and experience 
coupled with all y’all’s insight, in doing my own PPIs. 
That being typed, I have decided that if I spend more than $6k or up on a 
“newer” model MB I will have my Indy do a PPI. 

AZBob

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> On Jul 23, 2024, at 6:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I recommend a PPI from a trusted mechanic before purchasing a used
> Mercedes.  If the tech finds any flaws those can serve as bargaining chips
> to reduce the cost to you - more than the cost of the PPI.
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 9:20 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If it’s not something new/late model, you just have to do your due
>> diligence (research, talk to others, look at ones for sale even if you’re
>> not interested in that particular car) so you’re as well-informed as
>> possible. Provenance plays big in the process, too, I believe.
>> 
>> It’s a used car. There will always be “clunkers” no matter how good a job
>> you do with your part.
>> 
>> That said, by doing the work up front, you tip the scales in your favor.
>> But that’s not absolute, either. Stuff happens, and when/if it does, you
>> just have to assess the situation as best as possible and make hard
>> decisions, if necessary.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 23, 2024, at 5:30 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There's nothing wrong with paying top dollar for something that proves
>>> out to be what you were hoping it to be.
>>> 
>>> Or you can pay plenty for something that is not, like our X5.  Worst.
>> Car.
>>> Value.  Ever.  But how do you know, going in?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] They aren't problems---they're opportunities! - 1995 C220 - 96k miles - $3, 000

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You could buy a decent 124 for that kind of money 
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> Actually doesn't look terrible for the age, but the ask is probably too much 
> especially for a Cheep Klasse.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] An ad of few words, and fewer pixels - 2000 S430 - 112k miles - $4, 800

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What’s the deal with those pics like that?  Are those screenshots uploaded and 
then CL buggers them more?

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Re: [MBZ] A GL

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I recommend a PPI from a trusted mechanic before purchasing a used
Mercedes.  If the tech finds any flaws those can serve as bargaining chips
to reduce the cost to you - more than the cost of the PPI.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 9:20 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> If it’s not something new/late model, you just have to do your due
> diligence (research, talk to others, look at ones for sale even if you’re
> not interested in that particular car) so you’re as well-informed as
> possible. Provenance plays big in the process, too, I believe.
>
> It’s a used car. There will always be “clunkers” no matter how good a job
> you do with your part.
>
> That said, by doing the work up front, you tip the scales in your favor.
> But that’s not absolute, either. Stuff happens, and when/if it does, you
> just have to assess the situation as best as possible and make hard
> decisions, if necessary.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jul 23, 2024, at 5:30 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> >
> > There's nothing wrong with paying top dollar for something that proves
> > out to be what you were hoping it to be.
> >
> > Or you can pay plenty for something that is not, like our X5.  Worst.
> Car.
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Re: [MBZ] A GL

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If it’s not something new/late model, you just have to do your due diligence 
(research, talk to others, look at ones for sale even if you’re not interested 
in that particular car) so you’re as well-informed as possible. Provenance 
plays big in the process, too, I believe.

It’s a used car. There will always be “clunkers” no matter how good a job you 
do with your part.

That said, by doing the work up front, you tip the scales in your favor. But 
that’s not absolute, either. Stuff happens, and when/if it does, you just have 
to assess the situation as best as possible and make hard decisions, if 
necessary.

-D

> On Jul 23, 2024, at 5:30 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> There's nothing wrong with paying top dollar for something that proves
> out to be what you were hoping it to be.
> 
> Or you can pay plenty for something that is not, like our X5.  Worst.  Car.
> Value.  Ever.  But how do you know, going in?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] A GL

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

There's nothing wrong with paying top dollar for something that proves
out to be what you were hoping it to be.

Or you can pay plenty for something that is not, like our X5.  Worst.  Car.
Value.  Ever.  But how do you know, going in?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Deal of the day: Ingersoll Rand 231C Impact Wrench $99.99

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I have that exact impact wrench. It sure is a beast!!
Kevin in Lexington, NC
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> wrote:
> 
> https://www.jbtools.com/ingersoll-rand-231c-air-impact-wrench-1-2-drive-max-torque-600-ft-lb/
> $99.99
> 
> The Ingersoll Rand 231C Air Impact Wrench is a cornerstone in the world
> of professional-grade tools, offering unmatched performance for
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> delivers a maximum torque of 600 ft-lb, enabling it to tackle even the
> most stubborn bolts and fasteners with ease. Its design features include
> an adjustable power regulator for precise control, a pressure-feed
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> two-piece construction for easy maintenance. With a working torque range
> of 25-350 ft-lb and an impressive free speed of 8,000 rpm, the 231C is
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Re: [MBZ] Deal of the day: Ingersoll Rand 231C Impact Wrench $99.99

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On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 13:41:12 -0400 mitch--- via Mercedes
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> The mini 3/8" might not qualify for deal of the day, but it is a deal.
> 
> https://www.jbtools.com/mighty-seven-nc-3612q-3-8-in-drive-quiet-mini-aluminum-impact-wrench/

$79.99 with $6.95 shipping.

Max Torque: 350 ft lb
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Re: [MBZ] A GL

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Too many issues for a later model car that you’ll have limited ability to 
resolve on your own. That is, I suspect there are things wrong with this that 
will require a competent indy or the stealer to sort out. I’m always leery of 
“mechanic’s specials” as they typically have things wrong with them that your 
average mechanic doesn’t want to touch or it would be too expensive to resolve. 
Electrical gremlins fall into this category, making any work often charged at 
time and materials - you can’t flat rate electrical troubleshooting.

I’m sure you’re feeling pressured to find something, but take your time, the 
right car will show up.

-D

> On Jul 23, 2024, at 12:58 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That’s a $4k car max with whatever issues it has, esp if he doesn’t actually 
> know what they are. Will be interesting to see what codes it’s throwing as 
> things can add up real fast on those vehicles. Don’t even think about paying 
> someone else to work on it. 
> 
> As far as the airmatic goes it’s fairly simple. Air pump is no big deal, it’s 
> a bit of a pain to get at but not hard.
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2024, at 1:13 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1185911826054141/
>> 
>> Is this late enough to be rid of the timing chain issues Kaleb spoke of?
>> Seller told me it throws many codes, I can scan it when I look at it and 
>> that the “bags have been replaced but I think the compressor need to be 
>> looked at”.
>> But….it’s silver. Ugh.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] A GL

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That’s a $4k car max with whatever issues it has, esp if he doesn’t actually 
know what they are. Will be interesting to see what codes it’s throwing as 
things can add up real fast on those vehicles. Don’t even think about paying 
someone else to work on it. 

As far as the airmatic goes it’s fairly simple. Air pump is no big deal, it’s a 
bit of a pain to get at but not hard.

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> On Jul 23, 2024, at 1:13 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1185911826054141/
> 
> Is this late enough to be rid of the timing chain issues Kaleb spoke of?
> Seller told me it throws many codes, I can scan it when I look at it and that 
> the “bags have been replaced but I think the compressor need to be looked at”.
> But….it’s silver. Ugh.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] last ran about 10 years ago 83 300D Mercedes - $1,000

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$250 car.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, at 14:19, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> It has the rare/oogy blue velour interior.
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 10:51 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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>
>> could be worth negotiating
>>
>> https://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/d/greenwood-mercedes/7768714268.html
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Re: [MBZ] last ran about 10 years ago 83 300D Mercedes - $1,000

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It has the rare/oogy blue velour interior.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 10:51 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> could be worth negotiating
>
> https://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/d/greenwood-mercedes/7768714268.html
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Re: [MBZ] A GL

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Who knows? I’ll have to see what scanning reveals if I go check it out. 
Hard to get past silver. 

AZBob

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> On Jul 23, 2024, at 10:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> "It does have a wiring issue" -- meaning what?
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 1:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes should be.
>> 
>> So if you have to replace compressor buy it from FCP euro so it has a
>> lifetime warranty.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 23, 2024, at 1:13 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1185911826054141/
>>> 
>>> Is this late enough to be rid of the timing chain issues Kaleb spoke of?
>>> Seller told me it throws many codes, I can scan it when I look at it and
>> that the “bags have been replaced but I think the compressor need to be
>> looked at”.
>>> But….it’s silver. Ugh.
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Deal of the day: Ingersoll Rand 231C Impact Wrench $99.99

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The mini 3/8" might not qualify for deal of the day, but it is a deal.

https://www.jbtools.com/mighty-seven-nc-3612q-3-8-in-drive-quiet-mini-aluminum-impact-wrench/

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Re: [MBZ] A GL

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"It does have a wiring issue" -- meaning what?

On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 1:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Yes should be.
>
> So if you have to replace compressor buy it from FCP euro so it has a
> lifetime warranty.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 23, 2024, at 1:13 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1185911826054141/
> >
> > Is this late enough to be rid of the timing chain issues Kaleb spoke of?
> > Seller told me it throws many codes, I can scan it when I look at it and
> that the “bags have been replaced but I think the compressor need to be
> looked at”.
> > But….it’s silver. Ugh.
> >
> > AZBob
> >
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Re: [MBZ] A GL

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Yes should be. 

So if you have to replace compressor buy it from FCP euro so it has a lifetime 
warranty. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2024, at 1:13 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1185911826054141/
> 
> Is this late enough to be rid of the timing chain issues Kaleb spoke of?
> Seller told me it throws many codes, I can scan it when I look at it and that 
> the “bags have been replaced but I think the compressor need to be looked at”.
> But….it’s silver. Ugh.
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Re: [MBZ] Off-brand turbodiesel

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All the European brands make diesel models. They just didn't always sell them 
in North America.

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Re: [MBZ] 2011 SS550 - 83k miles - $18,596

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Not that well equipped.  No rear moonroof, no rear recliner seats, not 4matic. 
Other available options absent too. Facelift model though, I can go either way 
on that. 

Lowish miles something of a plus, might be ok at ~$12k or so. The ask is 
ridiculous. 

—FT

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> Seems a little high for a 13 year old car? But looks nice and seems to have 
> all the options.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] sitting in the barn for years has not been started in about 4 years 1971 Mercedes-Benz 280SE, $8, 875

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Repainted?

On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 10:10 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> Really not a fan of that color scheme, especially the interior. Is it
> original?
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2024, at 19:13, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > Show up with $5k of dead presidents in hand and I’ll bet they’ll talk.
> >
> > Being a fuel injected model, you couldn’t ask for more. This is a
> > pretty bulletproof setup once running, but if there are injection
> > system issues it’s going to cost some $$ to get it running again.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Jul 22, 2024, at 2:09 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Crappy pics but looks decent as best can be seen. Price high for a
> non-runner
> >>
> >> with very little effort can be show quality
> >>
> >> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/986717083147059/
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Re: [MBZ] 2011 SS550 - 83k miles - $18,596

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It's worth that much but no one will pay it.

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> Seems a little high for a 13 year old car? But looks nice and seems to
> have all the options.
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Re: [MBZ] sitting in the barn for years has not been started in about 4 years 1971 Mercedes-Benz 280SE, $8, 875

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Really not a fan of that color scheme, especially the interior. Is it original?


On Mon, Jul 22, 2024, at 19:13, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Show up with $5k of dead presidents in hand and I’ll bet they’ll talk.
>
> Being a fuel injected model, you couldn’t ask for more. This is a 
> pretty bulletproof setup once running, but if there are injection 
> system issues it’s going to cost some $$ to get it running again.
>
> -D
>
>> On Jul 22, 2024, at 2:09 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Crappy pics but looks decent as best can be seen. Price high for a non-runner
>> 
>> with very little effort can be show quality
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/986717083147059/
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Re: [MBZ] Drunk posting -- 1958 Mercedes-Benz 300 se,$20,000

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Some serious substance abuse there, too, based on the ask.

-D

> On Jul 22, 2024, at 3:05 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> "Patinated" for sure
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1343625732975497
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Re: [MBZ] LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO TAKE OVER PAYMENTS 2014 Mercedes-Benz gl-class GL 350 BlueTEC 4MATIC Sport Utility 4D, $3, 000

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It must be someone in the depths of desperation to try and reassign a loan on a 
car like this.

-D

> On Jul 22, 2024, at 2:14 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> Unlike the seller
> 
> MUST PUT 3000 upfront 627 a month MUST BE RESPONSIBLE!
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3603918723158263
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Re: [MBZ] sitting in the barn for years has not been started in about 4 years 1971 Mercedes-Benz 280SE, $8, 875

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Show up with $5k of dead presidents in hand and I’ll bet they’ll talk.

Being a fuel injected model, you couldn’t ask for more. This is a pretty 
bulletproof setup once running, but if there are injection system issues it’s 
going to cost some $$ to get it running again.

-D

> On Jul 22, 2024, at 2:09 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Crappy pics but looks decent as best can be seen. Price high for a non-runner
> 
> with very little effort can be show quality
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/986717083147059/
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Re: [MBZ] if you’re a benz guy you’ll know is a clean car when you see it 2008 Mercedes S550 with AMG Features & Rims,$5,500

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Looks decent and if as described that is not a too bad price

--FT

On 7/22/24 2:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

At what price are you a Buyer?

On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 10:09 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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feel free to bring your mechanic with you

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Re: [MBZ] if you’re a benz guy you’ll know is a clean car when you see it 2008 Mercedes S550 with AMG Features & Rims,$5,500

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At what price are you a Buyer?

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> feel free to bring your mechanic with you
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1002572094581312
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Re: [MBZ] GL450 or GL550

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I have a 2012 GL450 with 285kmi. Engine runs fine although there’s a code for 
an intake flap actuator that doesn’t seem to affect anything. Torque converter 
clutches are juddering but I ignore it mostly. Front end is pretty much shot. 
Good tow beast. Paid $4k, might find one with fewer miles and sell this one on. 

722.9 transmission can be a problem if CP or ISM fails; otherwise, it’s a Benz 
with concomitant needs. 

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> On Jul 22, 2024, at 1:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Air suspension can be a pain in the ass and will fail at the most 
> inconvenient time. But not really hard or complicated to work on. Early 
> models will eat timing chains and balance shafts. Beyond that not sure about 
> later models. I mainly deal with the diesels.
> 
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>> On Jul 22, 2024, at 12:13 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> By and large we are smart guys. Most of us know the right answer when told.
>> As a result I’ll be shopping for a GL450 or GL550 to get the third row 
>> seating I have been told we need.
>> Pros and cons of each?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] GL450 or GL550

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Air suspension can be a pain in the ass and will fail at the most inconvenient 
time. But not really hard or complicated to work on. Early models will eat 
timing chains and balance shafts. Beyond that not sure about later models. I 
mainly deal with the diesels. 

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> By and large we are smart guys. Most of us know the right answer when told.
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Re: [MBZ] 617 oil pan gasket

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On the MB oil pan in question, If you have a carpenter's level [metal on
would be best] lay it along the bolt line on each side and sight along the
contact line between the pan and the level.. The level will be machined to
within a couple thousands of flat and if the pan is warped, you will see a
gap where the level and the pan do not align and gauge how distorted it may
be.


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> Did a lot of ditch mowing one summer on a SuperM. Fun times.
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jul 22, 2024, at 7:16 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I replaced the pan gasket on my 1952 Farmall Super M last summer. That
> uses a nice thick cork gasket which will take up a lot of slop but the pan
> had been bashed into something, or possibly several somethings, causing the
> mating surface to not be even close to flat.
> >
> > I spent about an hour laying the pan on a (mostly) flat surface and
> prying/bashing on it to get it as flat as possible. Then I used a thin
> coating of RTV to glue the gasket to the pan. When that had mostly setup
> before I added another thin coat of RTV to the engine side of the gasket
> and hoisted it into position for the install.
> >
> > The machine still marks its territory but where I had previously been
> adding about a quart of makeup oil every time I used the machine it now
> needs maybe a pint every other year.
> >
> > I would expect a 617 pan to be able to tolerate some straightening...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, July 21, 2024 at 06:22:10 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Pan was probably overtorqued and warped at some time in the past. RTV
> may be the only answer now or a new pan.
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Jul 21, 2024, at 17:05, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Well it can't really hurt to apply some RTV if it was done before.  Then
> >> keep an eye on it and check for flat if you have to get a new gasket
> >>
> >> --FT
> >>
> >>> On 7/21/24 4:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Dropped the pan on the 617 doing the turbo oil drain. Whoever removed
> pan before used rtv on it. I had a new pan gasket in stock but thing might
> be 15 years old. Torqued bolts to spec. Filled with oil, pan leaks badly.
> Tightened them down just a bit more and leaks slowed down but still leaks.
> Assuming the old gasket is too hard and old to seal. Or, perhaps someone
> tighten pan too much in the past and it’s no longer flat? Anyway, do y’all
> put a light coating of RTV on both sides of the gasket when installing? Or
> should they be dry? I read online folks recommend a light coating but
> thought I would get the consensus here for when I order a new gasket and
> pull the pan again.
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Re: [MBZ] 617 oil pan gasket

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Did a lot of ditch mowing one summer on a SuperM. Fun times. 

AZBob

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> On Jul 22, 2024, at 7:16 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I replaced the pan gasket on my 1952 Farmall Super M last summer. That uses 
> a nice thick cork gasket which will take up a lot of slop but the pan had 
> been bashed into something, or possibly several somethings, causing the 
> mating surface to not be even close to flat.
> 
> I spent about an hour laying the pan on a (mostly) flat surface and 
> prying/bashing on it to get it as flat as possible. Then I used a thin 
> coating of RTV to glue the gasket to the pan. When that had mostly setup 
> before I added another thin coat of RTV to the engine side of the gasket and 
> hoisted it into position for the install.
> 
> The machine still marks its territory but where I had previously been adding 
> about a quart of makeup oil every time I used the machine it now needs maybe 
> a pint every other year.
> 
> I would expect a 617 pan to be able to tolerate some straightening...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, July 21, 2024 at 06:22:10 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Pan was probably overtorqued and warped at some time in the past. RTV may be 
> the only answer now or a new pan.
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 21, 2024, at 17:05, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> Well it can't really hurt to apply some RTV if it was done before.  Then
>> keep an eye on it and check for flat if you have to get a new gasket
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 7/21/24 4:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Dropped the pan on the 617 doing the turbo oil drain. Whoever removed pan 
>>> before used rtv on it. I had a new pan gasket in stock but thing might be 
>>> 15 years old. Torqued bolts to spec. Filled with oil, pan leaks badly. 
>>> Tightened them down just a bit more and leaks slowed down but still leaks. 
>>> Assuming the old gasket is too hard and old to seal. Or, perhaps someone 
>>> tighten pan too much in the past and it’s no longer flat? Anyway, do y’all 
>>> put a light coating of RTV on both sides of the gasket when installing? Or 
>>> should they be dry? I read online folks recommend a light coating but 
>>> thought I would get the consensus here for when I order a new gasket and 
>>> pull the pan again.
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Re: [MBZ] 617 oil pan gasket

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I replaced the pan gasket on my 1952 Farmall Super M last summer. That uses a 
nice thick cork gasket which will take up a lot of slop but the pan had been 
bashed into something, or possibly several somethings, causing the mating 
surface to not be even close to flat.

I spent about an hour laying the pan on a (mostly) flat surface and 
prying/bashing on it to get it as flat as possible. Then I used a thin coating 
of RTV to glue the gasket to the pan. When that had mostly setup before I added 
another thin coat of RTV to the engine side of the gasket and hoisted it into 
position for the install.

The machine still marks its territory but where I had previously been adding 
about a quart of makeup oil every time I used the machine it now needs maybe a 
pint every other year.

I would expect a 617 pan to be able to tolerate some straightening...

-Curt



On Sunday, July 21, 2024 at 06:22:10 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Pan was probably overtorqued and warped at some time in the past. RTV may be 
the only answer now or a new pan.


On Sun, Jul 21, 2024, at 17:05, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> Well it can't really hurt to apply some RTV if it was done before.  Then 
> keep an eye on it and check for flat if you have to get a new gasket
>
> --FT
>
> On 7/21/24 4:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Dropped the pan on the 617 doing the turbo oil drain. Whoever removed pan 
>> before used rtv on it. I had a new pan gasket in stock but thing might be 15 
>> years old. Torqued bolts to spec. Filled with oil, pan leaks badly. 
>> Tightened them down just a bit more and leaks slowed down but still leaks. 
>> Assuming the old gasket is too hard and old to seal. Or, perhaps someone 
>> tighten pan too much in the past and it’s no longer flat? Anyway, do y’all 
>> put a light coating of RTV on both sides of the gasket when installing? Or 
>> should they be dry? I read online folks recommend a light coating but 
>> thought I would get the consensus here for when I order a new gasket and 
>> pull the pan again.
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 2003 SL500 - 78k miles - $12,000

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Yeah. And the top hydraulics are very problematic 

—FT

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> On Jul 21, 2024, at 10:58 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> Didn’t these have ABC also?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2024, at 7:54 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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>> 
>> Price seems very high
>> 
>> --FT
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>>> No details, no pics with the top down and really none of the interior.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tempting

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Guy never responded and the listing disappeared pretty quickly

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> my wife loves her 2000 CLK320 convertible. great car.
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>> On Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 12:41 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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>> A no lose proposition assuming it starts, drives, stops, restarts...
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tempting

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my wife loves her 2000 CLK320 convertible. great car.

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Re: [MBZ] 2003 SL500 - 78k miles - $12,000

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Didn’t these have ABC also?

-D

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> Price seems very high
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2003 SL500 - 78k miles - $12,000

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Price seems very high

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Re: [MBZ] OT sitting for about 35 years found hidden in a garage 1959 Jaguar mark 9, $4, 500

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Actually, like older MBs, there are still a lot of parts being made, albeit 
reproductions.

I have always been an electrical guy, so the electrical systems weren’t that 
daunting to me, at least they never seemed to be. That, and when I went through 
a car all of the connections would get checked and cleaned/replaced whatever, 
to ensure their (future) integrity.

Yes, there were electrical connections and cables in places you would never 
think of putting them on a car, especially with engineers who lived in a 
climate like the British Isles. For those there was grease, lots of grease. 
Messy, for sure, but it could do a heck of a job keeping fasteners and 
terminals dry and corrosion-free for the most part.

That said, when I wrenched for a living, even in that short time, I fixed stuff 
as if I would be the next person to see it.

50s and 60s Jags were a hoot to drive when set up and running properly, and 
could easily blow a lot of Detroit muscle car iron off the road when the 
opportunity presented itself (complete hearsay, of course!)

My absolute favourite was the XJ140, a coupe that had the same 3.8l engine as I 
recall. That thing could outrun a well-equipped police car of the day easily. 
People would be next to you at a light in their Cutlass or big Detroit iron 
looking at the “cute little foreign car” and a few seconds later they would be 
in your dust.

Fun cars, but sometimes maddening. I think the one engineering thing I hated 
the most was a right angle cable drive that was used to run both the speedo and 
tach (they each had their own cable and both used the stupid 90 degree gear 
drive thingy.) I don’t think I ever drove a vintage Jag in which both the 
speedo and tach worked at the same time.

-D

> On Jul 21, 2024, at 3:42 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> Given the interest in these things from collectors and restorers I would 
> think that the Brits might have modern repro parts and wiring harnesses and 
> such for them.  Might not be cheap, but if available...  You can basically 
> build a E-type from aftermarket parts so there is a whole industry out there 
> on that.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 7/21/24 6:02 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>> Lucas "The Prince of Darkness" electrical system... The engines are stout..
>> the electrical systems will drive you to suicidal insanity.. in that era,
>> the wire harnass is almost all braided cotton wrapped wires with connectors
>> that don't connect, but corrode.
>> At this point, replacement parts are decades of "out of production" so
>> ownership is not recommended for the faint of spirit, or the faint of
>> wallet.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 2:21 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Looks complete and not too bad for the age and history.  Could be a
>>> rolling resto.  I think those engines were quite stout, I wonder if it
>>> could be brought back to life.  Cool car
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT sitting for about 35 years found hidden in a garage 1959 Jaguar mark 9, $4, 500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Given the interest in these things from collectors and restorers I would 
think that the Brits might have modern repro parts and wiring harnesses 
and such for them.  Might not be cheap, but if available...  You can 
basically build a E-type from aftermarket parts so there is a whole 
industry out there on that.


--FT

On 7/21/24 6:02 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Lucas "The Prince of Darkness" electrical system... The engines are stout..
the electrical systems will drive you to suicidal insanity.. in that era,
the wire harnass is almost all braided cotton wrapped wires with connectors
that don't connect, but corrode.
At this point, replacement parts are decades of "out of production" so
ownership is not recommended for the faint of spirit, or the faint of
wallet.


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Looks complete and not too bad for the age and history.  Could be a
rolling resto.  I think those engines were quite stout, I wonder if it
could be brought back to life.  Cool car

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Re: [MBZ] 617 oil pan gasket

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Pan was probably overtorqued and warped at some time in the past. RTV may be 
the only answer now or a new pan.


On Sun, Jul 21, 2024, at 17:05, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> Well it can't really hurt to apply some RTV if it was done before.  Then 
> keep an eye on it and check for flat if you have to get a new gasket
>
> --FT
>
> On 7/21/24 4:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Dropped the pan on the 617 doing the turbo oil drain. Whoever removed pan 
>> before used rtv on it. I had a new pan gasket in stock but thing might be 15 
>> years old. Torqued bolts to spec. Filled with oil, pan leaks badly. 
>> Tightened them down just a bit more and leaks slowed down but still leaks. 
>> Assuming the old gasket is too hard and old to seal. Or, perhaps someone 
>> tighten pan too much in the past and it’s no longer flat? Anyway, do y’all 
>> put a light coating of RTV on both sides of the gasket when installing? Or 
>> should they be dry? I read online folks recommend a light coating but 
>> thought I would get the consensus here for when I order a new gasket and 
>> pull the pan again.
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Re: [MBZ] OT sitting for about 35 years found hidden in a garage 1959 Jaguar mark 9, $4, 500

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Lucas "The Prince of Darkness" electrical system... The engines are stout..
the electrical systems will drive you to suicidal insanity.. in that era,
the wire harnass is almost all braided cotton wrapped wires with connectors
that don't connect, but corrode.
At this point, replacement parts are decades of "out of production" so
ownership is not recommended for the faint of spirit, or the faint of
wallet.


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> Looks complete and not too bad for the age and history.  Could be a
> rolling resto.  I think those engines were quite stout, I wonder if it
> could be brought back to life.  Cool car
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT sitting for about 35 years found hidden in a garage 1959 Jaguar mark 9, $4, 500

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It’s got the 3.8l OHC inline six, which was actually a pretty robust engine. 
I’ve rebuilt several of these (engines) and if you take the supporting systems 
that go with them (especially electrical!) out of the equation they are good 
engines.

The Mark 9 was sort of a LWB version of smaller models as I recall. Never seen 
one in the flesh, but I’ve seen and worked on a lot of its smaller cousins.

-D

> On Jul 21, 2024, at 2:20 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks complete and not too bad for the age and history.  Could be a rolling 
> resto.  I think those engines were quite stout, I wonder if it could be 
> brought back to life.  Cool car
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1540120049925888/
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 617 oil pan gasket

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Well it can't really hurt to apply some RTV if it was done before.  Then 
keep an eye on it and check for flat if you have to get a new gasket


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On 7/21/24 4:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Dropped the pan on the 617 doing the turbo oil drain. Whoever removed pan 
before used rtv on it. I had a new pan gasket in stock but thing might be 15 
years old. Torqued bolts to spec. Filled with oil, pan leaks badly. Tightened 
them down just a bit more and leaks slowed down but still leaks. Assuming the 
old gasket is too hard and old to seal. Or, perhaps someone tighten pan too 
much in the past and it’s no longer flat? Anyway, do y’all put a light coating 
of RTV on both sides of the gasket when installing? Or should they be dry? I 
read online folks recommend a light coating but thought I would get the 
consensus here for when I order a new gasket and pull the pan again.
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Re: [MBZ] Car does not go into gear, 2007 Mercedes-Benz gl-class GL 450 Sport Utility 4D, $1, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

My buddy got that GL for $500 says the rear has water damage, he''ll 
provide more details later.  Maybe got the SAM or something, I'll find 
out.  In any case he is excited about it.  Hard to go wrong for $500


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Re: [MBZ] Mexican Crack Hits Hard

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10821.31 in You Ess currency, which is close to reasonable.  Listing in
Baja CA, so...?
-MMM-

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> Maybe it’s pesos? Or Fentanyl? (sorry!)
>
> -D
>
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Re: [MBZ] Car does not go into gear, 2007 Mercedes-Benz gl-class GL 450 Sport Utility 4D, $1, 000

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There is actually a fair amount of room in the last row, I wouldn't fit 
but kids and smaller folks could do OK.  I keep it folded down for more 
cargo space but even with them up there is a fair amount of space to 
haul stuff.  It's a X164 chassis, is basically all the same bits as a 
W164 ML but larger.


This one is like 20min from my buddy's shop, he can probably get it 
towed there and deal with it.  Figures his mother would like it and 
given he knows how to work on them for $1k or less it's kind of a no-brainer


-_FT

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Floyd knows better than I, but I believe it’s longer so it can offer third row 
seating. The ML (W164) never had it, but the earlier W163 did have an option 
for it. That said, like a lot of optional third row seating, it was pretty 
worthless unless you were using it for kids.

-D


On Jul 21, 2024, at 11:48 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
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Remind me what is the difference between GL and ml class?

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I need to get my shop built and start buying these things and fixing
conductor plates and flipping them. This one has highish miles at 215k
but looks pretty good.

Too many issues for us to keep getting fixed.

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Re: [MBZ] Car does not go into gear, 2007 Mercedes-Benz gl-class GL 450 Sport Utility 4D, $1, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

GL is much larger

My buddy lives right close and is on his way to look at it.  He works at 
my other buddy's shop repairing these things every day so that is 
probably like a 3hr job for him to get it sorted, $350 for a good refurb 
CP he can clone and another $200 for fluid/filter and it's ready to roll.


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On 7/21/24 2:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


Remind me what is the difference between GL and ml class?


On Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 1:12 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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I need to get my shop built and start buying these things and fixing
conductor plates and flipping them. This one has highish miles at
215k
but looks pretty good.

Too many issues for us to keep getting fixed.

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Re: [MBZ] Car does not go into gear, 2007 Mercedes-Benz gl-class GL 450 Sport Utility 4D, $1, 000

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Floyd knows better than I, but I believe it’s longer so it can offer third row 
seating. The ML (W164) never had it, but the earlier W163 did have an option 
for it. That said, like a lot of optional third row seating, it was pretty 
worthless unless you were using it for kids.

-D

> On Jul 21, 2024, at 11:48 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Remind me what is the difference between GL and ml class?
> 
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> 
>> I need to get my shop built and start buying these things and fixing
>> conductor plates and flipping them. This one has highish miles at 215k
>> but looks pretty good.
>> 
>> Too many issues for us to keep getting fixed.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Car does not go into gear, 2007 Mercedes-Benz gl-class GL 450 Sport Utility 4D, $1, 000

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Remind me what is the difference between GL and ml class?

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> I need to get my shop built and start buying these things and fixing
> conductor plates and flipping them. This one has highish miles at 215k
> but looks pretty good.
>
> Too many issues for us to keep getting fixed.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Project car or crusher snack?

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Downside is it's in Canada so fetching it might be a bit of a challenge. 
But hell I would buy that thing cheap, get it running (how hard could 
that be, those things are dead simple, if not drop in a SBC and call it 
a day), get some meskin upholstery, and just enjoy it for a big old 50s boat


--FT

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Someone, somewhere, has a dream to own and drive this vehicle, just as soon
as their inheritance comes, along with the winning lottery ticket, and the
divorce is final. Until then, "get off my lawn"..
It is not on my personal "dream car list"..

On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 10:07 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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But after all is said, done, and spent, what will this not particularly
collectibles Cadillac be worth?

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Solid restoration candidate for someone with very deep pockets. The
comment about $12k for rechroming is pretty much spot-on.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] Project car or crusher snack?

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Someone, somewhere, has a dream to own and drive this vehicle, just as soon
as their inheritance comes, along with the winning lottery ticket, and the
divorce is final. Until then, "get off my lawn"..
It is not on my personal "dream car list"..

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> But after all is said, done, and spent, what will this not particularly
> collectibles Cadillac be worth?
>
> On Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:34 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> > Solid restoration candidate for someone with very deep pockets. The
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Re: [MBZ] Project car or crusher snack?

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But after all is said, done, and spent, what will this not particularly
collectibles Cadillac be worth?

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> Solid restoration candidate for someone with very deep pockets. The
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>
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Re: [MBZ] Mexican Crack Hits Hard

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Maybe it’s pesos? Or Fentanyl? (sorry!)

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Mexican Crack Hits Hard

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How many extra zeroes?

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Re: [MBZ] Project car or crusher snack?

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Solid restoration candidate for someone with very deep pockets. The comment 
about $12k for rechroming is pretty much spot-on.

-D

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